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Major kill you made a video about hw the emperium reacted to guilliman's return. Can you make another video exploring the topic. Focus should be on hw he reacted to the eclisiachy as he is an ethiest and how the reacted to him?
Major kill you made a video about hw the emperium reacted to guilliman's return. Can you make another video exploring the topic. Focus should be on hw he reacted to the eclisiachy as he is an ethiest and how the reacted to him?
If Angron hadn't received the nails from his friendly overlords he'd probably have been a good leader for the World Eaters, he was a decent dude to his gladiator buddies but once the brain spikes were hammered in he was done for.
It's still not certain he would have accepted Big E's offer because we don't know what was the biggest factor behind his refusal. The Nails or seeing the Emperor as a tyrant no different from his enslavers.
@@trolldrool I think nails or not he'd have still seen the Emperor as a tyrant due to his upbringing, but yeah, as to the offer to join, that would've been murky I reckon.
Our first brothers needed father Sanguinius, he changed us from berserkers that would fall to chaos during the Horus Heresy, to artists and writers that stayed with the Emperor loyally.
@Human Person Yeah but he felt bad after. And besides, killing a child is minescule againat the level of atrocities the rest of the characters in 40k do
@@dogman9223 The real sin is that the Aeldari let one of their EXTREMELY RARE children end up in the hands of genocidal monsters like Humans. I mean, when was the last time we even ever saw an Aeldari child?
why did Vulkan kill the "eldar child"? How did he come into contact with an eldar child? Did he get onto a craftworld? can someone give me a link or explain to me the story?
Legit the best Primarch, pretty much the only one who wasn’t autistic or narcissistic and cared for regular people, besides pre-Davin Horus and Sanguinius.
@@nicolasgodines1129 Oh yeah, definitely Dorn, I remember he was the last Loyalist Primarch to stick around, only to be “killed” or more likely captured during a Black Crusade. Vulkan, not so much. He kind of gave up on Humanity and War of the Beast showcases that perfectly.
@@JonyTony2018 Cut Vulkan some slack. He is just sad that many of his brothers went traitor and those that didn't went missing or died, He is tired and sad. When the Imperium found him in the planet of Caldera he is trying to release some stress by using Orkz as therapy. Vulkan loves humanity but he's just tired
He’s really the only primarch that can really run the imperium. The imperium doesn’t need an attack dog as much as it needs a politician and logistics expert.
Mortarian also buggered the his legion's effectiveness. Before he turned them into the Death Guard, the Dusk Raiders used diverse tactics, specialising in low casualty, highly successful hist and run shock tactics and surgical use of overwhelming firepower. Then Mortarian made them mostly just tank damage and march at the enemy in plain sight. He was a shit leader and got way more of his Legion killed than needed to be.
I agree. Mortarion basically turned a legion with a dexterity build and shoved them in the heaviest armor to tank damage. At least he gave his legion access to toys for extreme warcrime shenanigans.
Also Mortarians transformation into a daemon prince is the funniest shit ever considering Fulgrim got to experience excess and pleasure under Slanessh, Angron got to be even angrier and destroy more shit under Khorne, and Magnus got to experience power and Knowledge under Tzeentch while Mort became an even smellier ass Moth.
Magnus is also one of the few primarchs that genuinely loved his sons as a father, rather than as a general. And ironically one of, if not *the* most loyal primarch.
@@turbowarrior9918 if you judge by intent, then no. Magnus was loyal to a fault and his attempts to warn his father were in good faith. In that regard, what he did was commendable. If you judge him by the outcome of his actions, then he absolutely did something wrong. He ignored his fathers direct orders, and ruined the human webway project. Could this have been avoided by the emperor explaining what the fuck he was doing on terra? Yes, potentially. In my mind however, the reason magnus reacted the way he did, be it how he reacted to Horus falling, Lehman coming for him, or the shattering of his soul, ALL of those reactions are based in a deep seated arrogance and self entitlement. Magnus is smart as fuck, to the point I’d rank him top 5 most intelligent primarchs overall. He knew of other ways to achieve his goals yet he did what he did because he thought he could either get away with it, or arrogantly assumed he was doing nothing potentially dangerous. Both of which are major faults to his character. Overall tho, Magnus was a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. He didn’t mean to turn traitor… but his actions lead him there, in the end
@@ianharrison5758 For real about half of traitors either weren’t convinced by chaos or just straight up didn’t want to join. Perty, Morty, Konrad or Magnus just got some really bad rng or fucked up real hard and thought they fucked up too hard for Empy to forgive them
Vulkan saved his sons because without him they would stretch themselves trying to save as many humans as possible untill they would all die... like the Terran ones almost did. Corvus got rid of almost all the Terran recruits because they were basicaly Nightlords doing terror tactics. Only one Terran served in his advisors. The rest were sent to die at the frontlines of the Crusade.
@@vasilissifakis7066 Corvus became ultra depressed about how many of his sons died, and having to put down the poor souls of the corrupted raptor project, who despite being loyal, had to be purged after the heresy, making Corvus even more depressed. I think Corvus actually cared deeply for his sons and it has left a hole inside of him, that can only be filled by killing Lorgar. He left his sons because he feels unworthy of their loyalty and devotion to him, feels bad man.
Angron lore started good with him being very empathic thill he got the nails, after that his lore turned into diarrhea to the point that he is basicly a joke. Angron really needs a big lore retcon.
@@k.m.k.2976 But only a clown would go full Khorne. Nurgle gives you pain immunity Tzeentch gives you ways to outsmart your enemies Slaanesh gives you pleasure Corn gives you stupidity and pain after battle
Angron - I always wonder what would have happened to Space Spartacus if he wasn’t butchered. With his sense of honour upon refusing to turn on his mentor, I’ll bet loyalist War Dogs would have been a true compliment on the battlefield to the Space Wolves. I do recall somewhere he was an empath, so a combination of Roman aesthetics, Space Wolves savagery, and the Salamanders’ humanity, would have made a solid loyal legion where it not for the nails.
@@leslieoliverii9035 Chaos just like Hurricane Katrina doesn't care. It swallows up everything Fighting Chaos is like fighting Nature or the Universe itself
They started out really great and well respected, then got worse and worse as they were split apart and relegated to the hardest and/or least interesting campaigns. While other legions attained glory and fame the Iron Warriors became increasingly bitter and resentful. Perturabo shook things up a bit and reset some of that deterioration. He didn't go about it in the best way, but he did breathe enough life back into the legion and give them enough flexibility to last another few hundred years. Eventually that same bitterness that had nearly destroyed the Iron Warriors overcame Perturabo as well. It's all basically just classic PTSD except that he's superhuman and had nearly absolute authority. And, of course therapy doesn't exist in 40k.
@@dramsac17 To be honest the other legions never gave a rat’s ass about the iron warriors until the decimations and even then they were still constantly alienated from the other legions like they had always been
@@zacharycrawford6 in the beginning the Iron Warriors were considered to be one of the best legions to be assigned to. It's only after a few centuries of being treated like canon fodder that the Iron Warriors gradually start to use their mortal subordinates the same way the Emporer uses them. I'd love to see a book that covers Perturabo's earliest campaigns with the Iron Warriors. I imagine that he was much more idealistic and kind. I imagine him actually building virtually unassailable defenses on the first few planets he conquered only to have them rebel a few decades later and then he has to destroy his own creations and takes massive losses specifically because he built the defenses he was up against. Which would explain why he doesn't do that anymore. I like to think that Perturabo genuinely tried to bring the Iron Warriors back to their more noble origins but that centuries of the wost fighting 30k has to offer slowly eroded his ability to trust or care for anyone under his command.
@@zacharycrawford6 also just as an additional note they were known as the "corpse grinders" before Perturabo showed up. Whoever told Majorkill that the Iron Warriors were thriving before Perturabo came along definitely doesn't know the history of the Iron Warriors.
Magnus truly loved his sons, and his sons loved him too. He did everything for them and his sons did everything to save him. In a place of demons and evil, they're the ones who can actually forgive each other and some still retain their honor. The goals of the Thousand Sons are either save their father or legion, almost all their lore and books about them are just their selfless goals, almost none of them sought power for selfish goals or desire, everything was for their legion. Perhaps their love for each other turned them evil, to fight the fate set for your legion will surely break you. Many of the TS, for their love of their father, died reclaiming the shards of Magnus and trying to fix his soul. Amon in his grief and love for his brothers just wanted it all to end, to break the rubric and finally destroy his beloved legion, the thousand sons, so that all of them might finally find rest and peace. Ahriman is fighting fate, doing everything so that none of the remaining TS can be claimed by Chaos. He was horrified seeing them become deamon princes and mutated creatures, seeing these turned love into obsession. He became obsessed and will do anything to prevent this, kinda like the Emperor who will commit horrible atrocities to save mankind. Magnus inherited that obsession from the Emperor, and Ahriman inherited that obsession from Magnus. Truly like father like son.
Would love to see vids on Black Library characters like Ciaphas Cain, Gaunt, Ventris, Straken, etc. I think you could do them real justice and make some good content out of it. Just my $0.02
Before the death guard fell, they were one of the hardest and sturdy legions with quite some internal culture. I don't think Mortarion damaged the guard but more or less poisoned their minds with his own bitterness
He briefly talked about him in his Imperial Daemons video. There's not a lot to say about him since he only appears in one book, and it's probably not canon anymore. I wouldn't mind a video about him though, I dig the idea of a prototype primarch.
I think one of the most grimdark thing GW can do is have most of the Loyalist Primarchs who are lost found dead or unwilling/unable to return. Preferably if Gulliman found them out himself.
Literally Jaghatai, Corax, and Russ. They'd rather spend 10,000 years fighting demons and drukari in the warp/webway than hang around the rotting Imperium.
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Hearing “Lionel el Johnson punched one of his loyalist sons head off but he did it with love” reminds me of either penn or teller yelling “I LOVE YOU DOG!” At that scared chihuahua
Well yes, he was a primarch. That being said, even before the nails, he was a bit shit at being a primarch, seeing as he got captured and implanted with the nails in the first place. His power was also kinda shit when compared with the rest.
I still think its a shame how little we have gotten from Jagatai Khan, i think his view about his father and everything is by far the most interesting and i loved reading about his struggle while learning about Magnus´s Fate
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Without the Primarchs, would we perhaps have gotten the 'Abaddon heresy' instead? The Primarchs were the generals (and more), but without them, there would likely have been Legion commanders, and I'm sure chaos would have tried to corrupt them instead.
Corax: Nevermore. Marine: Brother, our primarch just quoted a literature from over 30k years ago as his final parting word. It's about...ravens. I cringed at that moment but we all kept quiet because we don't wanna ruin the moment.
They probably would do better without them, all the astartes born on terra had the ideology of the Emperor at heart - some even were displeased when introduced to their gene-fathers.
Or worst, the Primarchs were racists to the Terran-born Astartes of his Legion. Corvus and Mortarion never like them, and others like Leman and Angron just displaced their culture and impose their.
Pretty much all the loyalists benefited from them, nearly all the traitors would have been better off without them (with one or two examples). No idea about the Alpha legion cause Alpharius.
@@christiandauz3742 Alpharius be playing 10D chess to this day, remaining 100% loyal to the Emperor and ensuring Choas is ultimately defeated. Mankind lives happily ever after with the Emperor reformed, the Lamentors embraced in his love, and all human souls past, present and future passing to utter paradise of the Emperor's own creation
@@A407RAC Except that he abadoned his Legion immediately post-Heresy 99.9% of the Alpha Legion are Chaos corrupted Just wearing the Chaos Undivided symbol slowly corrupts you
The Thousand Sons would've died without Magnus since it was revealed the Emperor never wanted to save them and will not do anything to save them. From the moment the flesh changed occured, the Emperor deemed the TS "doomed" and it was their "fate" to die, his bullshit was proven wrong tho.
11:54 The 11th Legion. For the non Australians that's John Barilaro, who was until very recently a Australian Politician (deputy Premier of NSW). He's the "arsehole" who set the _fixated persons unit_ [a police unit set up to deal with stalkers] on the producer of Friendly Jordes, a RUclipsr and political comedian/journalist who had been giving him grief.
It’s not meant to deal with stalkers, the unit is meant to deal with literal terrorists, and he sent it out to harass someone who had simply called him out. Barilaro is such a scumbag
The 19th all the way! Major Kill you're doing a fine job man. The subjects and lore you choose to help educate us with and the way you explain it is really top-notch and inventive. You are no doubt in my opinion one of the best 40K lore channels out there. Also could you make a video on the Tyrant Star and possibly the Deep Warp if that is considered Canon.
"Whitout Alpharius there would be no Alpharius, and for his sons that means... an Alpharius" -Alpharius, probably. Maybe Omegon, or maybe you, Alpharius.
I think the world eaters got a shit deal with angron, initially he threw a temper tantrum and killed a bunch of chapter masters until Kharn brought him around, then angron hammered the nails into his legion, bad deal
17:50 I think it’s all about the Rangdanadingalinglong Xenocide. I think the Emperor foresaw a powerful xenos race ready and able to take over the galaxy once the warp storms cleared and knew that it’d be a race as to who could get there first.
I’d like to see you talk on all the second hands of the primarchs, like Sigismund, Abbodon, typhon or Erebus, each one had someone but it seems each traitor one has one while the loyalists literally only have a few, I mainly know of those from Rogal and Jagatahi (Rest in peace Yosugi) but that’s because most of them died outside of Bjorn the Fellhanded.
I've always wondered if the Primarchs were never scattered. Would the Emperor have made the space marines. Just something I've wondered since I seem to recall some times it being said Emps made the space marines from left overs of the project once he lost them
I would boil it down to this: - Without the Primarchs, no Horus heresy. - Without the Primarchs, Human Webway and stagnating Chaos influence. - If instead of making Primarchs Daddy E had concocted gene soups (without all the idiotic flaws), it might not have been flung across the galaxy and he could have then used that to fix and restock the legions, no need for Primarchs to donate their seed. - without the Primarchs leadership by merit and not birth giving them more chances to be effective on their own instead of doing weird shit because their Primarch has a fetish. So yeah, in general I'd say all of the legions would have greatly benefited from not having Primarchs. And so would the rest of the Galaxy.
Another point for Magnus out of all the gods to fall to I'd say Tzeentch would probably be the best one to fall too. Followed by Slaanesh, with Slaanesh at least you know your gonna have fun.
9:15 I still say that Konrad was actually possessed while in the warp but rather than trying to take control of him the demon mostly just sat back, hid in his soul and influenced him.
I actually prefer no chaos taint touching Konrad you don’t really need demons or chaos as the main cause for being a messed up person Konrad was just genuinely psychotic and evil that was turned up to 1000 from being born on nostramo and that’s what I love about him.
@@sunset7424 The way his visions seem guided to direct him down a certain path, the way he sometimes did things that without thinking. Iirc he tried to tear his eyes out when first meeting the Emperor (which the demon would hate, his attack on Dorn (who chaos can't corrupt). His actions are given other excuses but they're signs that point to something else having sway over him and him being manipulated from inside the whole time. A bit like Fulgrim after picking up the Laer blade but there from the beginning and far more subtle.
I think it depends on the geneseed and the Primarch. Some of the geneseed created Space Marines, who would've been straight purged. Aka Space Wolf, Thousands Sons, Blood Angel stock. But in some cases, the Astarte would've been normal, if not for the Primarch. Aka Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, World Eaters.
Strategically speaking. The Imperium would have been so much better off having periods of consolidation after each small expansion. You can't just conquer a hundred thousand worlds in 5 minutes(relatively speaking) and expect everything to stay stable. The astartes would have most likely been better off without the primarchs and if the emporer stayed with them a bit longer. He had to fuck off to get the webway sure. But if he hung around a little bit longer until things had settled down a bit, it could have all worked out. I mean without the primarchs chaos would have targeted high ranking generals and such probably, so the heresy would probably still have happened. But the emporer would just mind ass rape any human traitor instantly
Fulgrim was tricked into falling due to simple ignorance of the dangers of Chaos, not out of choice, so I wouldn't blame him for the Legion failing. Even with his pursuit of perfection and promoting of dweebs like Eidelon or sociopaths like Fabioud, it's offset by the likes of Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor also being singled out by Fulgrm for greatness. Given how competent the 3rd Legion was before getting trucked by Slaanesh, I'd argue Fulgrim, the real Fulgrim, not the Daemon possessed twisted one, was far more of a benefit than detriment
I mean the first legion pre-Lion were also super hectic on throwing themselves to prove their worth to the emperor and thus sustained very high casualties so The Lion kinda brought some sense into them
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Majorkill ya bronze mining noob, with time, you made me believe that the salamanders were really all about hugs and smothering their snickersbar over you while they did it, but it turns out that these mfs are hard as hell. Came to this realization in the novels where Vulkan is being tortured by evil batmana
There was no alpha legion before Alpharius. Just Alpharius clones that were actually all the real Alpharius because Alpharius cannot be anyone other than Alpharius and Alpharius is Alpharius. So Alpharius is all, all is Alpharius. Allpharius legion.
Only a few Primarchs should have been around the Imperium of Man. Imperial Fist, Ultramarine, Salamanders, Blood Ravens (If he/she exists), and White Scars. Those Primarchs alone would've made the Imperium strong.
@@blackgobbogaming4236 you do have a point. I didn't think of him and his space marine companies. They were and still are great. Damn, shame he had to die.
I don't know; some of the lore I have seen implies that the Emperor was in a hurry to win BECAUSE He knew that (some of) the Primarchs were ticking time bombs. If He hadn't been worried when some of them would betray Him, knowing some would, He might've been able to drag the process out more. I still don't TOTALLY get the need for the Primarchs; some of them, like Magnus, because he had an additional purpose, but most? If you had to be able to send elements of specific Legions to specific places, at specific times, to get desired results, even a Primarch can't be in two places at one time. I don't feel that every Legion then was the Minotaurs now, always mobilizing as one force, at full strength, and then only some needed, or could benefit, from Daddy's immediate presence. As for the Lost Legions, maybe they are fine without their Primarchs? It depends on what you believe. So, we're they wiped out to the man, or did a bunch of them get fed into the Ultramarines? If they got seconded to Guilliman, they seemed to function fine. I don't recall the Ultramarines having spats of problems, or genetic degradation, and even the deaths of their Primarchs didn't seem to affect them; no rebellions, or Black Rage-like symptoms. Possibly whatever was wrong with II and XI didn't really pass on to their sons. And sure, I doubt they STILL rank among the Ultramarines; 10,000 years means none of them are still around, and their gene-seed wasn't continued to be used, as Guilliman never needed to shore up his own supply, but Cawl made it sound like they are stable, if he wanted. Personally, I'd say they were fine without their progenitors, apart from being absolutely unknown. 😊
This is a fun thought. If the Primarchs had been outright destroyed, instead of scattered... The Uncrowned Princes probably would have died out through their hubris and the Rangdan Xenocides. The Emperor's Children would have gone extinct. The IV Legion would have got on with the Death Korps of Krieg like a house on fire. The Star Hunters would likely have remained a fragmented scouting force. The VI Legion probably would have gone extinct due to unstable gene-seed. The VII Legion probably wouldn't have changed much. The VIII Legion... I don't know, but it probably would have been an improvement. The Revenant Legion would have remained the feared, savage loyalists ideal for hunting and exterminating xenos far from the Imperium's borders. The X Legion... I don't know enough about them to say. The War Hounds would have been a great mirror to the IX. The War-Born were doing quite well without Guilliman, and would have carried on just fine. The Dusk Raiders would have carried on without much problem. The XV Legion would probably have gone extinct from the Flesh-Change. The Luna Wolves would have just carried on as the premiere strike unit of the Great Crusade. The Iconoclasts would have continued kicking ass and destroying the gods. The Dragon Warriors would have likely gone extinct due to stubborn pride. The Dust-Clad would have been the feared overseers used to maintain compliance. The XX Legion would have continued carrying on like the 1950s-era CIA on steroids. Add that to the fact that there can't be a Horus Heresy without Horus, and I'm starting to think that the universe would have imploded due to a shortage of grimdark. And also that during the crusade when the Emperor was looking for his sons, he should have been killing them as he found them in most cases.
The galaxy probably would of been better of if the primearch were not found/created. Chaos getting several primarchs and a defeated emperor is worse for the galaxy than having a smaller empire with the emperor and a few more xeno civilizations.
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Major kill you made a video about hw the emperium reacted to guilliman's return. Can you make another video exploring the topic. Focus should be on hw he reacted to the eclisiachy as he is an ethiest and how the reacted to him?
Major kill you made a video about hw the emperium reacted to guilliman's return. Can you make another video exploring the topic. Focus should be on hw he reacted to the eclisiachy as he is an ethiest and how the reacted to him?
What about a similar topic, pecualtion on what would've happened to primarchs if the emperor never found them
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If Angron hadn't received the nails from his friendly overlords he'd probably have been a good leader for the World Eaters, he was a decent dude to his gladiator buddies but once the brain spikes were hammered in he was done for.
He wouldnt have called them Worldeaters
@@johnmagee2245 Indeed, probably not, but probably something gladiator styled though.
It's still not certain he would have accepted Big E's offer because we don't know what was the biggest factor behind his refusal. The Nails or seeing the Emperor as a tyrant no different from his enslavers.
@@trolldrool I think nails or not he'd have still seen the Emperor as a tyrant due to his upbringing, but yeah, as to the offer to join, that would've been murky I reckon.
@@Gr1mm4 I'd bank on him keeping the War Hounds name, since it's pretty fitting.
Our first brothers needed father Sanguinius, he changed us from berserkers that would fall to chaos during the Horus Heresy, to artists and writers that stayed with the Emperor loyally.
Sanguinius the MVP
Shouldn't you be bubbling away in bugs guts?
The Revenant Legion wouldn't have fallen. They would have devoured the traitors.
Emphasis on the "Loyaly" Lmao
@William Thomas You might want to look up actual roman numerals instead of just guessing, and keep your 'tism in check
No wonder GW kicked Vulkan out of the setting, the guy is literally too noblebright for 40k
@Human Person Yeah but he felt bad after. And besides, killing a child is minescule againat the level of atrocities the rest of the characters in 40k do
@Human Person eldar child, I’d argue overall net good
@@dogman9223 The real sin is that the Aeldari let one of their EXTREMELY RARE children end up in the hands of genocidal monsters like Humans. I mean, when was the last time we even ever saw an Aeldari child?
why did Vulkan kill the "eldar child"? How did he come into contact with an eldar child? Did he get onto a craftworld? can someone give me a link or explain to me the story?
@@alexmarlow2508 would also like this, but if memory serves it was actually an exodite
As much as we rip on him. The Imperium has an absolute reliance on Rowboat Girlyman.
Legit the best Primarch, pretty much the only one who wasn’t autistic or narcissistic and cared for regular people, besides pre-Davin Horus and Sanguinius.
@@JonyTony2018 And Vulkan, and possibly Dorn.
@@nicolasgodines1129 Oh yeah, definitely Dorn, I remember he was the last Loyalist Primarch to stick around, only to be “killed” or more likely captured during a Black Crusade.
Vulkan, not so much. He kind of gave up on Humanity and War of the Beast showcases that perfectly.
@@JonyTony2018 Cut Vulkan some slack. He is just sad that many of his brothers went traitor and those that didn't went missing or died, He is tired and sad. When the Imperium found him in the planet of Caldera he is trying to release some stress by using Orkz as therapy.
Vulkan loves humanity but he's just tired
He’s really the only primarch that can really run the imperium. The imperium doesn’t need an attack dog as much as it needs a politician and logistics expert.
Mortarian also buggered the his legion's effectiveness. Before he turned them into the Death Guard, the Dusk Raiders used diverse tactics, specialising in low casualty, highly successful hist and run shock tactics and surgical use of overwhelming firepower. Then Mortarian made them mostly just tank damage and march at the enemy in plain sight. He was a shit leader and got way more of his Legion killed than needed to be.
I agree. Mortarion basically turned a legion with a dexterity build and shoved them in the heaviest armor to tank damage. At least he gave his legion access to toys for extreme warcrime shenanigans.
Also Mortarians transformation into a daemon prince is the funniest shit ever considering Fulgrim got to experience excess and pleasure under Slanessh, Angron got to be even angrier and destroy more shit under Khorne, and Magnus got to experience power and Knowledge under Tzeentch while Mort became an even smellier ass Moth.
@@Stryker98 It's basically the reward of having such an awful personality.
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@@littlejohn8435worse than that. He did not make them DEF tanks, he made them ...HP tanks😢
Magnus is also one of the few primarchs that genuinely loved his sons as a father, rather than as a general. And ironically one of, if not *the* most loyal primarch.
MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG
@@turbowarrior9918Well, Magnus didn't /mean/ to do anything wrong.
Still, if we look at outcomes, not motivations, he's Bad At This.
@Jonathan Salvadori Hey, what would you do if you were a psychically sensitive tub of discount ketchup?
@@turbowarrior9918 if you judge by intent, then no. Magnus was loyal to a fault and his attempts to warn his father were in good faith. In that regard, what he did was commendable.
If you judge him by the outcome of his actions, then he absolutely did something wrong. He ignored his fathers direct orders, and ruined the human webway project. Could this have been avoided by the emperor explaining what the fuck he was doing on terra? Yes, potentially. In my mind however, the reason magnus reacted the way he did, be it how he reacted to Horus falling, Lehman coming for him, or the shattering of his soul, ALL of those reactions are based in a deep seated arrogance and self entitlement. Magnus is smart as fuck, to the point I’d rank him top 5 most intelligent primarchs overall. He knew of other ways to achieve his goals yet he did what he did because he thought he could either get away with it, or arrogantly assumed he was doing nothing potentially dangerous. Both of which are major faults to his character.
Overall tho, Magnus was a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. He didn’t mean to turn traitor… but his actions lead him there, in the end
@@ianharrison5758 For real about half of traitors either weren’t convinced by chaos or just straight up didn’t want to join. Perty, Morty, Konrad or Magnus just got some really bad rng or fucked up real hard and thought they fucked up too hard for Empy to forgive them
Vulkan saved his sons because without him they would stretch themselves trying to save as many humans as possible untill they would all die... like the Terran ones almost did.
Corvus got rid of almost all the Terran recruits because they were basicaly Nightlords doing terror tactics. Only one Terran served in his advisors. The rest were sent to die at the frontlines of the Crusade.
that was horus's fault not corvus's
Astarte Legions: "NOTICE US!!!"
Primarchs who are dead, went missing or turn traitor: "Nooooo...."
That's basically all of them lol
tfs reference?
Also Primarchs: *NOTICE US FATHER!!*
The Emperor: *no*
Peaking Order: Dirt, The Heretics on the dirt. You, Emperor, Sly Marbo.
@@vasilissifakis7066 Corvus became ultra depressed about how many of his sons died, and having to put down the poor souls of the corrupted raptor project, who despite being loyal, had to be purged after the heresy, making Corvus even more depressed. I think Corvus actually cared deeply for his sons and it has left a hole inside of him, that can only be filled by killing Lorgar. He left his sons because he feels unworthy of their loyalty and devotion to him, feels bad man.
Every legion needs a primarch to spice things up...
Except the world eaters , no one needs Angron.
Not even khorne wants angron
@@xzenitramx666 He hates winged boy slighty less
Angrons entire history should have been summed up with a straightened coat hanger, a few quick twirls, a plop, and the abrupt flush of a toilet.
Angron lore started good with him being very empathic thill he got the nails, after that his lore turned into diarrhea to the point that he is basicly a joke.
Angron really needs a big lore retcon.
@@k.m.k.2976 But only a clown would go full Khorne.
Nurgle gives you pain immunity
Tzeentch gives you ways to outsmart your enemies
Slaanesh gives you pleasure
Corn gives you stupidity and pain after battle
"No Alpharius means no Alpharius, which for all his sons means Alpharius" boom every bit of Alpha Legion lore in one sentence.
4:35
“Either you die Rylonor, or live long enough to become Eribus”
I am the ancient of rites
That you still think I seek any glory betrays the true blindness that has overcome yoooooou!
Best Warhammer 40k quote ever!!
Angron - I always wonder what would have happened to Space Spartacus if he wasn’t butchered. With his sense of honour upon refusing to turn on his mentor, I’ll bet loyalist War Dogs would have been a true compliment on the battlefield to the Space Wolves. I do recall somewhere he was an empath, so a combination of Roman aesthetics, Space Wolves savagery, and the Salamanders’ humanity, would have made a solid loyal legion where it not for the nails.
Khorne had already claimed his soul from birth
Same with Magnus, Mortarion and Fulgrim
@@christiandauz3742 That sounds like total gobshite writing then
@@oreo-postraphe
Nope, just like the Cthulu Mythos your opinions and choices are irrelevant
@@christiandauz3742 that's a little aggressive given the context. 😅
@@leslieoliverii9035
Chaos just like Hurricane Katrina doesn't care. It swallows up everything
Fighting Chaos is like fighting Nature or the Universe itself
The Iron Warriors apparently keep sustaining high casualties even before meeting the primarch.
They started out really great and well respected, then got worse and worse as they were split apart and relegated to the hardest and/or least interesting campaigns. While other legions attained glory and fame the Iron Warriors became increasingly bitter and resentful.
Perturabo shook things up a bit and reset some of that deterioration. He didn't go about it in the best way, but he did breathe enough life back into the legion and give them enough flexibility to last another few hundred years.
Eventually that same bitterness that had nearly destroyed the Iron Warriors overcame Perturabo as well. It's all basically just classic PTSD except that he's superhuman and had nearly absolute authority. And, of course therapy doesn't exist in 40k.
@@dramsac17 To be honest the other legions never gave a rat’s ass about the iron warriors until the decimations and even then they were still constantly alienated from the other legions like they had always been
They were known as " the corpse grinders" for a reason
@@zacharycrawford6 in the beginning the Iron Warriors were considered to be one of the best legions to be assigned to. It's only after a few centuries of being treated like canon fodder that the Iron Warriors gradually start to use their mortal subordinates the same way the Emporer uses them.
I'd love to see a book that covers Perturabo's earliest campaigns with the Iron Warriors. I imagine that he was much more idealistic and kind. I imagine him actually building virtually unassailable defenses on the first few planets he conquered only to have them rebel a few decades later and then he has to destroy his own creations and takes massive losses specifically because he built the defenses he was up against. Which would explain why he doesn't do that anymore.
I like to think that Perturabo genuinely tried to bring the Iron Warriors back to their more noble origins but that centuries of the wost fighting 30k has to offer slowly eroded his ability to trust or care for anyone under his command.
@@zacharycrawford6 also just as an additional note they were known as the "corpse grinders" before Perturabo showed up. Whoever told Majorkill that the Iron Warriors were thriving before Perturabo came along definitely doesn't know the history of the Iron Warriors.
Magnus truly loved his sons, and his sons loved him too. He did everything for them and his sons did everything to save him. In a place of demons and evil, they're the ones who can actually forgive each other and some still retain their honor. The goals of the Thousand Sons are either save their father or legion, almost all their lore and books about them are just their selfless goals, almost none of them sought power for selfish goals or desire, everything was for their legion. Perhaps their love for each other turned them evil, to fight the fate set for your legion will surely break you. Many of the TS, for their love of their father, died reclaiming the shards of Magnus and trying to fix his soul. Amon in his grief and love for his brothers just wanted it all to end, to break the rubric and finally destroy his beloved legion, the thousand sons, so that all of them might finally find rest and peace. Ahriman is fighting fate, doing everything so that none of the remaining TS can be claimed by Chaos. He was horrified seeing them become deamon princes and mutated creatures, seeing these turned love into obsession. He became obsessed and will do anything to prevent this, kinda like the Emperor who will commit horrible atrocities to save mankind. Magnus inherited that obsession from the Emperor, and Ahriman inherited that obsession from Magnus. Truly like father like son.
But did any Astartes become _pole dancers_ due to Primarch issues…?
Slaneesh wants to know.
Let's be honest, the emperor's children in their ten thousand years have probably done nearly *EVERYTHING*
Does it count that they're impaled on the pole, if they're still dancing?
That's the REAL secret the Dark Angels don't want you to know 🤣
@@ethanguest3438 And they still haven't figured out the harsh truth about perfection.
buff dude pole dancing, ay wait a minute.
I’m crying at your “The Emperor was so impressed with their metaphorical fisting that he called them the Imperial Fists” narrative
Finally! Six days without a video I thought I would have to watch Arch
Sorry for the short break, went to go visit my family for a couple days
Nice
Just had the horrible image of Arch doing a nude promo …
🧠💥🔫
@@casbot71 why?! why did you have to put that image in my head?! Now I need the forgetting juice again...
@@majorkill Hell yeah, family time
Would love to see vids on Black Library characters like Ciaphas Cain, Gaunt, Ventris, Straken, etc. I think you could do them real justice and make some good content out of it. Just my $0.02
Yea I love me some ciaphus cain! I'd love to see our boy majorkill cover him!
Cia cia caiphas cain? You mean the hero of the imperium right?
@@oatesi get me a nice steaming pot of tanner tea Jurgen!
Ciaphas Cain: The physical embodiment of "task failed successfully."
Just started listening to the Ciaphas Cain book 1, it's fucking genius, Im loving it 👌👌
The world eaters would have been better off without the Primark the death guard to
most of chaos would be better off
Before the death guard fell, they were one of the hardest and sturdy legions with quite some internal culture. I don't think Mortarion damaged the guard but more or less poisoned their minds with his own bitterness
Maybe the emperor never needed to make primarchs. He could have just use more powerful custodes.
Hey man can you also do the Lore of the Angel or should I say the Primarch Zero?
He briefly talked about him in his Imperial Daemons video.
There's not a lot to say about him since he only appears in one book, and it's probably not canon anymore.
I wouldn't mind a video about him though, I dig the idea of a prototype primarch.
Your comment is hearted. There is a Hot change of it becoming a video.
It was mentioned before briefly I believe, but there's so little information on the Angel. I too would love more deets on a proto-march
@@brok56 He better not edit it or end up lose the heart
The whole scenario of “What if they never found Horus?” should be a whole video.
What was that about The Lorgar Heresy?
what if Horus just fucking landed on a volcano planet
I think one of the most grimdark thing GW can do is have most of the Loyalist Primarchs who are lost found dead or unwilling/unable to return. Preferably if Gulliman found them out himself.
Literally Jaghatai, Corax, and Russ. They'd rather spend 10,000 years fighting demons and drukari in the warp/webway than hang around the rotting Imperium.
Gulliman probably would've helped Angron and his gladiator family
Hey Majorkill, I wanted to thank you for your videos. Without fail you would post a video the same day that I would have an exam. Watching your videos prior to a test really helped with my anxiety this year and it’s truly helped me wrap up my college career. Thank you for the positive attitude and awesome videos.
Hearing “Lionel el Johnson punched one of his loyalist sons head off but he did it with love” reminds me of either penn or teller yelling “I LOVE YOU DOG!” At that scared chihuahua
2:42 “The decapitaion came from a place of fatherly love” 😅this is why I love majorkill
Loyalist Primarchs: Happy family
Traitor Primarchs: Dysfunctional family
1st legion approved comment.
plot twist: it was the same family.
Dark Angels: borderline murdercult inbred family
@@riograndedosulball248 Sweet home Calibana
Traitor Primarchs: Character growth/development
Loyalist Primarchs: Haha gud giys we guess!
Wasn't angron quite a decent guy before the nails were hamered in his head? As in being well strategically minded and stuff?
Well yes, he was a primarch. That being said, even before the nails, he was a bit shit at being a primarch, seeing as he got captured and implanted with the nails in the first place. His power was also kinda shit when compared with the rest.
For the imperial fists
no (as nothing much would have changed) but probably improved imperial fist morale as much as a trip to the construction museum
Ah. Their moral has been fortified, like this position.
bro the moment they go to a construction museum they will go “something is rising and it’s not the imperium of man
"But the emperor probably thought it was funny" in regards to the space wolves is the best image I've ever imagined
I like how the werewolves and vampires primarchs basically taught them to be better then they were and were given a code of honor
The level of Hersey in this one is truly strong.
"Hugs are great for everyone..." you know, unless you happen to be an eldar child...
Big oof
For The eldar kids Are a comodity, nothing less then a fancy car.
When the fist messed up Rogal wasn't mad, he was just disappointed.
I still think its a shame how little we have gotten from Jagatai Khan, i think his view about his father and everything is by far the most interesting and i loved reading about his struggle while learning about Magnus´s Fate
Every day I love and respect my Dad more. At seven, he was my unstoppable juggernaut. A titan of strength. At seventeen, i was a hateful, ungrateful bitch. But now. I'm caring for him. I worry every day when I go to work that, this will be the day. The day I get home and he no longer remembers me. HIs body has wasted and his mind is failing. He had flaws, but he was there. Always offering to help, even when I was too prideful to accept.
Cherish every moment with your dad. Mine died a year and sixteen days ago now.
@@owenlaundry272 Sending you a big hug right now.
Some Legions absolutely needed their Primarch's. Others like the World Eaters and Death Guard where better off without them.
What everyone, even the Space Marine Legions were too polite to ask - Majorkill steps up to the plate and does it live. What a man, a pioneer, a legend. Seriously a topic that comes up in my mind on a fairly regular basis, though.
Without the Primarchs, would we perhaps have gotten the 'Abaddon heresy' instead? The Primarchs were the generals (and more), but without them, there would likely have been Legion commanders, and I'm sure chaos would have tried to corrupt them instead.
I know you may be running out of topics to cover, but I have a few : Xenos weapons, Primarch body guards, and maybe terminators ?
Corax: Nevermore.
Marine: Brother, our primarch just quoted a literature from over 30k years ago as his final parting word. It's about...ravens. I cringed at that moment but we all kept quiet because we don't wanna ruin the moment.
They probably would do better without them, all the astartes born on terra had the ideology of the Emperor at heart - some even were displeased when introduced to their gene-fathers.
Or worst, the Primarchs were racists to the Terran-born Astartes of his Legion.
Corvus and Mortarion never like them, and others like Leman and Angron just displaced their culture and impose their.
@@MiniFuxy11 corvus at least had a reason to not like them
Much easier to corrupt a Legion without a Primarch than with one
No Primarchs = No Great Crusade
Chaos grows too powerful and consumes our Universe
@@MiniFuxy11 for the Rout that was a very good thing, Leman also never disrespected them or murdered them or exiled them. Russ is best dad.
@@christiandauz3742 meaning chaos burns itself out and dies...
The War Hounds were terrifyingly effective under Lhorke's command.
No question that Angron, Lorgar, Konrad and Mortarion fucked up their legeions badly.
Pretty much all the loyalists benefited from them, nearly all the traitors would have been better off without them (with one or two examples).
No idea about the Alpha legion cause Alpharius.
No Alpharius means no Blood Games
That means Chaos bypasses the Custodes and assassinates the Emperor
@@christiandauz3742 Alpharius be playing 10D chess to this day, remaining 100% loyal to the Emperor and ensuring Choas is ultimately defeated. Mankind lives happily ever after with the Emperor reformed, the Lamentors embraced in his love, and all human souls past, present and future passing to utter paradise of the Emperor's own creation
@@A407RAC
Except that he abadoned his Legion immediately post-Heresy
99.9% of the Alpha Legion are Chaos corrupted
Just wearing the Chaos Undivided symbol slowly corrupts you
The Thousand Sons would've died without Magnus since it was revealed the Emperor never wanted to save them and will not do anything to save them. From the moment the flesh changed occured, the Emperor deemed the TS "doomed" and it was their "fate" to die, his bullshit was proven wrong tho.
or you can keep the chaos and use it for the good of the emperor and dont t let it corrput you
It says a lot about 40k that Guilliman having common sense amounts to a super power.
11:54 The 11th Legion.
For the non Australians that's John Barilaro, who was until very recently a Australian Politician (deputy Premier of NSW).
He's the "arsehole" who set the _fixated persons unit_ [a police unit set up to deal with stalkers] on the producer of Friendly Jordes, a RUclipsr and political comedian/journalist who had been giving him grief.
It’s not meant to deal with stalkers, the unit is meant to deal with literal terrorists, and he sent it out to harass someone who had simply called him out. Barilaro is such a scumbag
The 19th all the way! Major Kill you're doing a fine job man. The subjects and lore you choose to help educate us with and the way you explain it is really top-notch and inventive. You are no doubt in my opinion one of the best 40K lore channels out there.
Also could you make a video on the Tyrant Star and possibly the Deep Warp if that is considered Canon.
"Whitout Alpharius there would be no Alpharius, and for his sons that means... an Alpharius"
-Alpharius, probably. Maybe Omegon, or maybe you, Alpharius.
I think the world eaters got a shit deal with angron, initially he threw a temper tantrum and killed a bunch of chapter masters until Kharn brought him around, then angron hammered the nails into his legion, bad deal
17:50 I think it’s all about the Rangdanadingalinglong Xenocide. I think the Emperor foresaw a powerful xenos race ready and able to take over the galaxy once the warp storms cleared and knew that it’d be a race as to who could get there first.
I’d like to see you talk on all the second hands of the primarchs, like Sigismund, Abbodon, typhon or Erebus, each one had someone but it seems each traitor one has one while the loyalists literally only have a few, I mainly know of those from Rogal and Jagatahi (Rest in peace Yosugi) but that’s because most of them died outside of Bjorn the Fellhanded.
Arhiman is still alive and kicking
I've always wondered if the Primarchs were never scattered. Would the Emperor have made the space marines.
Just something I've wondered since I seem to recall some times it being said Emps made the space marines from left overs of the project once he lost them
I would boil it down to this:
- Without the Primarchs, no Horus heresy.
- Without the Primarchs, Human Webway and stagnating Chaos influence.
- If instead of making Primarchs Daddy E had concocted gene soups (without all the idiotic flaws), it might not have been flung across the galaxy and he could have then used that to fix and restock the legions, no need for Primarchs to donate their seed.
- without the Primarchs leadership by merit and not birth giving them more chances to be effective on their own instead of doing weird shit because their Primarch has a fetish.
So yeah, in general I'd say all of the legions would have greatly benefited from not having Primarchs. And so would the rest of the Galaxy.
Corvus went fucking nuts during the drop site massacre killing every traitor he could find
Dude was a living blender until Conrad found him.
Somehow you managed to work in the Lord's Resistance Army into this.....I love your channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like to imagine we can see MK's "sack" at 1:33(just below the box as he flips up te lid), it's probably something else but the thought is nice
Another point for Magnus out of all the gods to fall to I'd say Tzeentch would probably be the best one to fall too. Followed by Slaanesh, with Slaanesh at least you know your gonna have fun.
"The decapitation came from a place of fatherly love"
Well f me if that doesn't sound like an abusive parent.
9:15 I still say that Konrad was actually possessed while in the warp but rather than trying to take control of him the demon mostly just sat back, hid in his soul and influenced him.
I actually prefer no chaos taint touching Konrad you don’t really need demons or chaos as the main cause for being a messed up person Konrad was just genuinely psychotic and evil that was turned up to 1000 from being born on nostramo and that’s what I love about him.
@@sunset7424 The way his visions seem guided to direct him down a certain path, the way he sometimes did things that without thinking. Iirc he tried to tear his eyes out when first meeting the Emperor (which the demon would hate, his attack on Dorn (who chaos can't corrupt). His actions are given other excuses but they're signs that point to something else having sway over him and him being manipulated from inside the whole time.
A bit like Fulgrim after picking up the Laer blade but there from the beginning and far more subtle.
@@TheAnon03 Still can't get around the fact he never became a deamon primarch and voluntarily died. Chaos had influence but not control.
The Lion shall rise again!!
Big sword Lion shall rise again!
VULCAN LLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVEEESSSSS *STOMP STOMP*
@@ChillAssTurtle, VULCAN LIIIVVVVVVES!
In the grim dankness of the far future, there is only daddy issues.
I think it depends on the geneseed and the Primarch. Some of the geneseed created Space Marines, who would've been straight purged. Aka Space Wolf, Thousands Sons, Blood Angel stock. But in some cases, the Astarte would've been normal, if not for the Primarch. Aka Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, World Eaters.
Strategically speaking. The Imperium would have been so much better off having periods of consolidation after each small expansion.
You can't just conquer a hundred thousand worlds in 5 minutes(relatively speaking) and expect everything to stay stable. The astartes would have most likely been better off without the primarchs and if the emporer stayed with them a bit longer. He had to fuck off to get the webway sure. But if he hung around a little bit longer until things had settled down a bit, it could have all worked out. I mean without the primarchs chaos would have targeted high ranking generals and such probably, so the heresy would probably still have happened. But the emporer would just mind ass rape any human traitor instantly
Fulgrim was tricked into falling due to simple ignorance of the dangers of Chaos, not out of choice, so I wouldn't blame him for the Legion failing. Even with his pursuit of perfection and promoting of dweebs like Eidelon or sociopaths like Fabioud, it's offset by the likes of Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor also being singled out by Fulgrm for greatness. Given how competent the 3rd Legion was before getting trucked by Slaanesh, I'd argue Fulgrim, the real Fulgrim, not the Daemon possessed twisted one, was far more of a benefit than detriment
Another amazing ad from Majorkill
Majorkill definitely knows more than we credit him for. Fabius Bile incognito?
im glad we got to see timmy i missed that little shit
I love how you refer to the Iron Cage as "an occasional stuff-up" for Rogal lol.
God him explaining how he even thought of this is great
I mean the first legion pre-Lion were also super hectic on throwing themselves to prove their worth to the emperor and thus sustained very high casualties so The Lion kinda brought some sense into them
Leman of the Russ turned us from Vikings, to Space Vikings.
Maybe not the Space Marines but the Imperium as a whole damn sure do
There is the Victorian boyo with a new vid, at last!
Was not expecting that naked sponsorship MK...my mom happened to look over when that came up and I had to explain what the fuck was going on lmao
World Eaters: Oh noooo, we AREN'T getting cool brain piercings? well darn, what bummer.
Russ leaving the space wolves was the best thing to ever happen to them
This is the second time you've advertised something while naked and my mom walked in.
You're welcome to your mom.
7:10 I'm sorry, but is that a space marine carrying around a wooden shield around like it's the 1400's?
It’s space wood, much more technologically advanced than regular wood
Majorkill, in the first 30 seconds of this vid I was once again reminded the real reason you get my 1$ a month -
You’re a real dude.
I also have two daughters, and appreciate the reminder that I do, in fact, serve a purpose.
had to replay that add in .25 speed for that glorious sack action
I wanna hear more about those plague marines that freaked out when separated from the warp
Majorkill ya bronze mining noob, with time, you made me believe that the salamanders were really all about hugs and smothering their snickersbar over you while they did it, but it turns out that these mfs are hard as hell.
Came to this realization in the novels where Vulkan is being tortured by evil batmana
Thanks to your thumbnail, I now cannot unsee Horus as Joe Rogan.
There was no alpha legion before Alpharius. Just Alpharius clones that were actually all the real Alpharius because Alpharius cannot be anyone other than Alpharius and Alpharius is Alpharius. So Alpharius is all, all is Alpharius. Allpharius legion.
Yes, VULCAN does indeed give the BEST HUGS.
He'll hug you so hard, he'll break your back, then apologize profusely for it.
0:02 Horus Heresy aka "Daddy Issues 40k" in a nutshell
Angron didn't force the nails. They did it to themselves while he was in some kind of coma
What a fucking opener, was not prepared for this level of spice
Only a few Primarchs should have been around the Imperium of Man. Imperial Fist, Ultramarine, Salamanders, Blood Ravens (If he/she exists), and White Scars. Those Primarchs alone would've made the Imperium strong.
What about Sanguinius and his Blood Angels? They were arguably the most loved legion during the great crusade.
@@blackgobbogaming4236 you do have a point. I didn't think of him and his space marine companies. They were and still are great. Damn, shame he had to die.
bless you Majorkill, you never fail to make me smile
I'd say Konrad and Angron needed their sons more than they needed him. X)
"Before Perty, the Iron Warriors were flourishing"
Siege of Incaladion: Are you sure about that.
I don't know; some of the lore I have seen implies that the Emperor was in a hurry to win BECAUSE He knew that (some of) the Primarchs were ticking time bombs. If He hadn't been worried when some of them would betray Him, knowing some would, He might've been able to drag the process out more. I still don't TOTALLY get the need for the Primarchs; some of them, like Magnus, because he had an additional purpose, but most? If you had to be able to send elements of specific Legions to specific places, at specific times, to get desired results, even a Primarch can't be in two places at one time. I don't feel that every Legion then was the Minotaurs now, always mobilizing as one force, at full strength, and then only some needed, or could benefit, from Daddy's immediate presence.
As for the Lost Legions, maybe they are fine without their Primarchs? It depends on what you believe. So, we're they wiped out to the man, or did a bunch of them get fed into the Ultramarines? If they got seconded to Guilliman, they seemed to function fine. I don't recall the Ultramarines having spats of problems, or genetic degradation, and even the deaths of their Primarchs didn't seem to affect them; no rebellions, or Black Rage-like symptoms. Possibly whatever was wrong with II and XI didn't really pass on to their sons. And sure, I doubt they STILL rank among the Ultramarines; 10,000 years means none of them are still around, and their gene-seed wasn't continued to be used, as Guilliman never needed to shore up his own supply, but Cawl made it sound like they are stable, if he wanted. Personally, I'd say they were fine without their progenitors, apart from being absolutely unknown. 😊
Awwwww hell yeah, new majorkill vid. Let's goooooooo!
This is a fun thought. If the Primarchs had been outright destroyed, instead of scattered...
The Uncrowned Princes probably would have died out through their hubris and the Rangdan Xenocides.
The Emperor's Children would have gone extinct.
The IV Legion would have got on with the Death Korps of Krieg like a house on fire.
The Star Hunters would likely have remained a fragmented scouting force.
The VI Legion probably would have gone extinct due to unstable gene-seed.
The VII Legion probably wouldn't have changed much.
The VIII Legion... I don't know, but it probably would have been an improvement.
The Revenant Legion would have remained the feared, savage loyalists ideal for hunting and exterminating xenos far from the Imperium's borders.
The X Legion... I don't know enough about them to say.
The War Hounds would have been a great mirror to the IX.
The War-Born were doing quite well without Guilliman, and would have carried on just fine.
The Dusk Raiders would have carried on without much problem.
The XV Legion would probably have gone extinct from the Flesh-Change.
The Luna Wolves would have just carried on as the premiere strike unit of the Great Crusade.
The Iconoclasts would have continued kicking ass and destroying the gods.
The Dragon Warriors would have likely gone extinct due to stubborn pride.
The Dust-Clad would have been the feared overseers used to maintain compliance.
The XX Legion would have continued carrying on like the 1950s-era CIA on steroids.
Add that to the fact that there can't be a Horus Heresy without Horus, and I'm starting to think that the universe would have imploded due to a shortage of grimdark. And also that during the crusade when the Emperor was looking for his sons, he should have been killing them as he found them in most cases.
The galaxy probably would of been better of if the primearch were not found/created. Chaos getting several primarchs and a defeated emperor is worse for the galaxy than having a smaller empire with the emperor and a few more xeno civilizations.
A lore video on the Sanctus Reach saga (Grukk face rippa and all that) would be very cool
Considering that the legion’s geneseed comes from their primarchs… Yes.
Without watching the video, Salamanders 100% needed their dad