How did the Loyalist Chapters React to Primaris Marines? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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Imagine being a super excited Primaris ready to help save the galaxy only to discover that your parent chapter is the Lamenters.
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I think it would be a good idea to make a video of the reaction of the marines to their primarchs
Being a Lamenter is like being a Kriegsmen
You have very low chances of survival
Very low
Very very low
Major kill, make a video on how the high lords of terra and the ecclesiachy reacted to guilliman's return, and how guilliman reacted to the state of the emperium?
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Salamanders would be probably like "Very sad situation we have here friends, our new friends... have no families to visit! We must rectify this immediately!" and so Primaris found themselves adopted by various human families on Nocturne.
I read this in tts vulcans voice.... My god I can never see the salamanders the same way again
Hug them all
I know the Salamanders aren't actually as cuddly as the community makes them out to be but god damn I love it anyways.
"Oooh, okay, Primaris Brotha, you will now undergo dis trial of Nocturian Fire! It is definetly not a ploy to get you occupied while we prepare a welcome party for you'
@@trakdog2919 VULKAN LIVES!
@@TheWarmachine375 *STOMP STOMP*
Adeptus custodes: We bring you new Primaris reinforcements for your chapter
Blod Ravens: Well thanks, but we already have Primaris marines.
Adeptus custodes: What?!
Cawl: hey Guilliman, why are half my brand new primaris missing
Bloody Magpies!
@@bloodangel19 Guilliman: i don't ultra fucking know half of my ultra fucking thing gone
the cuckstodes dont wear their armor because it was "recovered" by blood ravens
Blood Ravens are going to steal the Lion from the Rock.
somebody:*disagrees*
custodes: you talkin mad shit for someone in guardian spear range
*kills the man from 999 blocks away*
Hahaha:D
now this is accreat
He's talking mad shit for someone breathing or vaguely in line of sight..let alone within that sorta distance...
Black Templars: Disagrees
Also Black Templars: kills the Custodes
I bet the Lamenters were like " finally new battle brothers...hold on .... That's when things go to shit usually isn't it?"
poor yellow Bois…
Wouldn't be surprised if their Primaris reinforcements suffered a warp drive malfunction and fucking mutated into oblivion, forcing the Custodes to destroy everything.
Nah, they just don't get any Primaris due to administrative error (aka the Inquisition secretly cancelling the order because they don't trust a cursed founding chapter with those).
Now the Primaris Lamenters suffer like their brothers.
MOOD KINDRED!
@@RecoveringLoLAddict or the Inquisition decided to send the Minotaurs again
In the Iron Hands codex it's stated that they took the primaris faster than most chapters because they saw them as a objectively better upgrade of the standard marine and trusted in Cawl's work.
It would fit their limited lore well. They prize cold logic over emotional pride and prejudice. Also their disturbingly close relationship with the Cult Mechanicus helped seal the deal given they were a creation of Cawl's.
And the fact that malkan feirros wanted to upgrade themselves biological than technological
So my assumption was 100% spot on, nice
The IH codex is out?
@@seadav0183 The Codex supplements that came out for all the First Founding loyalist legions
One thing to add, The Salamanders were so pumped to have successor chapters (like the dark krakens) that they dispatched Chaplin forge masters to show them the way.
Wow thats actually kind of cute in an odd way, because they had almost none beforehand.
Sadly those sent to the Black Vipers never returned.
Yo what up oz
Yo wait Oz follows warhammer???? I love your channel
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How the White Scars accepted the Primaris Marines
1st born: “Hello, Do you like speed?”
Primaris: *Yes*
1st born: “Yup, He’s in”
i wish the test of the primarus marines was a race
@@88thdeathkoregrenadier68 in my white scars battallion: it is.
Primaris #2: If you're not first... you're last.
@@bnh1978 ah I assume his name is rickus bobbus
Random Primaris: no I like meth
Robby: "heres more marines and equipment"
Helbrecht: "can we crusade harder?"
Robby: "yes"
Helbrecht: :D yay
YeY
And the best part, they no longer have to pretend to the Inquisition they only have 1000 active Marines at a time.
Inquisitor: Hey! Why are you crussading with a 10 000 Astartes strong force?
Helbrecht: Oh! Those are just the new Primaris Space Marines the son of the God Emperor gave us.
Inquisitor: All of them?
Helbrecht: Yeeaaaah.
The Black Templar would have taken them all and sacrificed them to the Emperor.
@@DivineRight454 Black Templars are indeed sons of Dorn
@@TheWarmachine375 Dorn would be proud
The Blood Ravens chapter just yoinked a bunch of them as a gift
Funny thing is. even their color scheme is "borrowed" from Blood Angels
@@Baell1 ? You try too much
What are you talking about they stole every single one of gilman's primaries
*Custodes meet up with Blood Raven with Primaris marines*
"Greetings, we brought forth gifts from the Emper....."
"What is this??"
*The Blood Ravens that showed up were already Primaris marines*
@@Humster hahaha this was funny XD
The crimson fists were pretty stoked since, you know, they lost most of their chapter and gizmos due to a bigass Ork WAAAGH invading their homeworld which was then followed up by a spicy demonic incursion. They made the primaris go out into the woods and kill some large animal with their bare hands to earn their red fist, made sure they hated Orks, then everyone was all cool with each other.
yeah Crimson Fists for a few years of the Lamenters treatment by GW. Like hey you got a cool orbital defense setup that is wrecking the Ork rokks flying at Rynn........would be a shame if one of those missiles malfunctioned and blew up all your stuff
I read in a Space Marines Codex that the Crimson Fists were happy to accept the Primaris because some of them had actually met their Primarch before going into stasis.
@@maskedriderweaver4122 well Crimson Fists are the superior sons of Dorn so it makes sense, also they were incredibly depleted and were not going to turn away fresh troops
It also helps their Chapter Master seems to be one of the most level-headed ones among the whole Imperium.
Crimson Fists also typically deploy in Kill Team sized strike forces of 5-20 marines so it allowed them to field test and blood the Primaris alongside veteran first born and allow them to prove themselves to their brothers.
"Through the artifice of the Martian priesthood were these warriors created. By the grace of the almighty Emperor are they given now to you. Silence your questions and instead rejoice at the honour done to you this day. You are handed the gift of hope by the immortal Master of Mankind Himself, and you will accept it with sincere and solemn gratitude lest you be taken for the traitors that you profess to hate."
- Sanash Gallimedan, Emissary Imperatus to the Hammers of Dorn Chapter
So basically, he told them to take the Primaris or get killed personally by the golden boys.
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 Pretty much, I know I would be convinced.
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 "agree with us or we're gonna curb stomp your skull straight into the planet's core" -custodes diplomacy
Understandable have a nice day
Accept this gift or i wear you like a shoe
There was an interesting passage in a Alpha Legion book. They encountered some Primaris and then shared their opinions about them. It was interesting they absolutely viewed them with disgust, claiming that the Emperor had created perfection in Astartes and thus there was no need for an upgrade or something
The traitor legions weirdly still respect the emperor or at least what the emperor was.
I believe that was shroud of night.
@@command_unit7792 yeah but gw is also still on the fence wether the alpha bois are full traitor or not.
Says the most confusing chapter of space marines
For all we know they either really believe this or are just jealous
I would say only them knows the truth but honestly at this point I feel like even they are confused about themselves
@@command_unit7792 Lol Grand daddy issues.
The "frozen in fear" incident is from Phill Kelly's Dark Angel novel. The new Primaris meets Thzenzch demons for the first time and are spooked, but Chad Ravenwing Black Knights slaughter the demons no problem.
I mean that's unfair and silly to compare veterans to greenhorns.
Not a bad story mind you.
@@cegesh1459 completely agree. This moment is only really noteworthy, because it highlights that Primaris marines are not always inherently superior. I, and I suspect many others, loved seeing the value of experience and training over pure superior physical specs.
I generally really like both the new and old Dark angels and the Tau in the story. The Monat Supreme kinda rules!
It makes sense, Imagine you're frozen in stasis for millennia, get sent to your new battle brothers, and then boom! Freaky demon fuckery like you've never seen.
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 they had fought Khorne demons on terra with Guilleman, but nobody had explained Thenzich demons to them, so they didn't know what they were fighting.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen you mean tzeentch daemons?
For the Iron Hands, the chad that is Iron Father Feirros underwent the rubicon at his old age and now wears gravis armor as a techmarine! Dude don't give no fucks if it means an upgrade!
Worth noting: The Primaris were met similarly by Space Wolves to Dark Angels, with some firstborn Wolves seeing them as Ultramarines in gray armor rather than fellow scions of the Wolf King. Logan Grimnar himself issued the Kin-Pack declaration to have them properly inducted into the Chapter. A new system was developed in which firstborn and primaris Wolves met in unarmed combat, with the Wolf Priests halting all fights before they can become fatal. This way, the Primaris can prove themselves to their firstborn brothers, and the firstborn Wolves can see that they are just as much sons of Russ as they.
Ultramarines in grey armour...that is an apt description
Continuing with the Wolves, Ragnar Blackmane later crossed the Rubicon and became a Primaris himself after his near-fatal fight with Ghazgkull.
His ascension probably helped eased concerns among the Wolves’ Firstborn veterans about the transition and acceptance of their Primaris brethren.
@@shaoyukhoo7267 Then the new novel comes out and Grimnar has to be a drama queen about the new Primaris just to prove he won't back down from Big Bobbie G.
Personally I hated seeing Guilliman choose to kneel and beg, I would have much rather seen him slap Grimnar into acceptance like his father did with his brother Russ. Kneeling to Grimnar just seems like something that would slowly eat all Grimnar's respect for Robbie G and cause trouble further down the line.
@@psychedashellconsidering how tall g man is it probably looked more like a grown up trying to speak to a child then any show of respect
@@JammesJack-td6gv Expression makes all the difference and Bobby G would have chosen his carefully.
I'm a fan of the Wolves and Grimnar rates highly to me but I'd still rather Bobby slap him into line.
You forgott to mention Gabriel Seth accepted the Primaris from the point on it was clear they that they CAN fall for the Black Rage and Red Thirst.
Yeah, he felt his role was to guide the Flesh Tearers chapter "to it's inevitable, bloody end in glory." It was when he saw that the Primaris marines were no less susceptible to the Black Rage, that he really accepted them. "The curse within their gene-seed lay deeper than any knew. Doom was only postponed."
Isn’t Red Thirst and Black Rage occurred after Sanguinius was killed by Horus, at least the latter?
Red thirst has been an issue, but Black Rage occurred after Sanguinius died and his gene seed was cursed as a result.
@@Taintedmini yeah but only because the flesh tearers losses were Always Higher than their recrutment capabilities. Im Just Happy that my chapter lives on to RIP an tear :)
@@powerist209 yes but everyone thought that the primaris Marines are immune to those 2 things. But luckily they are not and the blood angels (and chapters from their gene seed) keep their charakter!
I like how one of the reasons animosity stirred internally in the legions before the the Hersey was the rift between the marines from Terra and the marines from each primarchs homeworld, to which the imperium figured "uh fuck it, run it back the second times the charm. Plus let's make them better. What could go wrong"
Never change 40k. Never change.
The primaris story is really dumb, I still do not know how to handle my HW40k "head canon".
the Raven-Chad Corvus Corax dealt with that brilliantly. He sent all the Terran Raven Guards to suicide missions.
@@MollymaukT not all of them, only the brutal slaving ones he sent. Some Terran Raven Guard Astartes stayed but the majority of them died at the Istvaan V.
@@JC-jo9bf
You don't need head cannon on first place. Every head cannon is borderline fanfic, which means, that actually it is not cannon, only in you head.😂 Me for example, i don't really care about your problem with your head cannon.😂
@@vencislavgynev8282 Newsflash, your WH 40k experience is in your head, it is not real. Even you have head cannon, even though you are simply an azzhole.
The white scars were about as screwed as you could be after the great rift. Considering they’re basically on it. The arrival of the primaris were very welcome with their fortress monastery under seige
Raven guard loved them:
They are constantly understaffed so they were happy to get more troops. Also their Chapter master Shrike is a Primaris now.
I love how the Dark Angels (See "War of Secrets) kept them at arms length until such time as they proved worthy of their green armor.
Or straight up brainwashing them and killing any who find out. Moracani should’ve been a dreadnought.
Works either way
I to as a Dark Angels (and a tau fan) loved Phill Kelly's take on that interaction.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Agreed, I suppose there is no better way of representing the Dark Angels.
I thought War of Secrets was of one the worst 40k Novels ever. Nothing about it made sense and it made the Dark Angels appear like Comic villains. Worst Part was definitely when (Warnung spoilers, but you really should not care) the leader of the Primaris squad learned that the DA apothecary had murdered his closest Squadmate and he was just like "eh, whatever"
If I can recall, the Scythes of the Emperor were glad they got Primaris.
yeah, they were down to like 6 members XD. and had a bit of a fault with their own seeds. but I wont spoil more.
Yeah but they still didn’t trust them.
@@gergokerekes4550 Oh how do you know? i am also currently reading Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work heheh.
@@johnd3421 the scíthes are not featured often in books sadly, cool chapter they are but minor compared to others.
Custodes: rejecting primaris is Heresy!
Also Custodes: kills primaris after the Brazen Drakes were confirmed Hereticus Diabolis Extremis.
I never realised primaris just straight up means protagonist
Yeah, they hadn't even JOINED their battle brothers in the Brazen Drakes* and the Custodes are like "Refusing to surrender, huh? So you've chosen DEATH."
I was coming here just to say this, the whole moment of "Hey, so the people we were delivering you to were actually heretics. So, what do you have to say for yourself? You can either surrender now or die a few seconds from now."
@@dac314 Well, I still believe that the order to surrender (which ment death for the Primaris) was just a test. Had they shown their willingness to accept their fate and die for the Emperor in order to keep their honor rather than valuing their own lives more than the greater ideology of the Imperium, I think the Custodes would've spared them.
I'm not 100 % sure, though. The Custodes are intelligent beyond peer and can be very cryptic in terms of their practices, but they also hold a great grudge towards the Astartes for what happened during the Heresy and deem them untrustworthy as a whole.
So, it was either a test or they were just looking for a reason to let off some steam. The latter doesn't sound very Custodian, though.
@@GodlordBazi yeah, it's a shame. Likely, the writers just wanted to say "yes Primaris are cool, but Custodes still can dunk on them like children", and chose this grimdark method to do so.
Sure, the Primaris should have surrendered IMMEDIATELY, but the Custodes should be able to recognize and comprehend that "traitor geneseed" is not the absolute cause of all rebellion, and thus context and external factors might be the reason for the Brazen Drakes chapter turning rogue, not just "anything with a BD on their armor is a traitor, full stop".
Fun fact with the Space Wolf Primaris: The original Space Wolves for a while were wondering if the Curse of the Wulfen was cured until one battle where a unit of Primaris entered a form of beserker rage where they charged the enemy and started beating them with their rifles instead of shooting. They are still afflicted with the curse but they don't transform into werewolves.
I compare Firstborn and Primaris in the same way I compare older sports cars from the 60s and 70s to their newer counterparts. The new ones are flashier and have all the fun gadgets but I feel like the old ones have much more personality.
That makes sense
That a perfect analogy honestly
Yeah, great analogy
True. Cadilacs are pretty old, but for Emperor's nipples, aren't they sexy lookin'
@@maciejas2471 Now thats the question. Which do you prefer? The new "hotness" or the old glory. Id take an old Chevelle over a new Camero or Charger.
I feel the same about the marines too.
The only chapter who hadn't had problem in accepting the primaris is the Celestial Lions, cuz the ship that carried their primaris was destroyed before it could deliver them, and they had to have another chapter teach them how to turn their own marines int primaris. ;)
Thank you Inquisition.
It's still a mystery to me how the Inquisition hasn't felt the mighty of all the Space Marines yet, they practically go against everything that they preach just to purge what they think is wrong. Like, they say that Chaos is bad (and it is) and that one shan't use xeno artifacts, but they possess and use both Chaos and xeno weaponry/items/artifacts.
Lol
I lost my shit when the Primaris called Gabriel "a midget"
I think Seth told the Primaris he would kick his ass/kill him because he wasn't a true son of sanguinis, the primaris went all "ref, he can't do that, it's heresy" to the nearby chaplain; unfortunately for Mr. Primaris, said chaplain was Appollus, who did literally nothing but watch while Seth beat said primaris up.
@@Turk3YbAstEr no, Apollus never does nothing. When Captain Toivo refused to fight Seth, Apollus pointed his plasma pistol and Toivo and asked if he was feeling lucky.
I really wish that interaction of Helbrecht and Guilliman was more fleshed out. I kinda want to see it in more detail
The Primaris always made sense to me. The Firstborn were made on Terra, with its relatively limited resources at the time, in a very short amount of time. Emperor or Armand Astarte regardless.
The Primaris are a significant, but relatively small, improvement over baseline marines (to say nothing about the more directly created soldiers of the emperor like Grey Knights and Custodians), and it took Cawl, the greatest creative mind baseline humanity has ever produced in the age of the imperium, 10,000 years and the virtually limitless resources of the Ad-Mech and a galaxy spanning imperium to produce.
Primaris make sense to me.
To me it makes no sense to me. How did Cawl managed to get this much geen seed to improve on it and make legion sizes numbers of marines with out anyone knowing it. He supposedly got premaris ready over the years and only with gullimans command was he allowed to reveal them to the inperium.... so Cawl could have saved macrag from the tyranids when the entire ultramarines where threatened and gulliman himself. But he didn't. Cawl make no sense or his primaris.
@@rockman9377 You mean, other than having samples of Primarch DNA on hand to work with?
@@stevenschnepp576 I think the bigger issue is that the Imperium had been getting shit on for an endless number of ages and threatened with extinction from numerous sources in all directions, but only now it's only recently revealed that ACKCHYUALLY we had superweapon-like resources that could have evened up the stakes in countless wars and saved billions the whole time but we loldidn't until Cawl was given a thumbs up to do so. It's like if it was suddenly revealed that Terra secretly had an STC that created loyalist Primarch factories but wanted to keep it secret the whole time.
Having not read any of the novels or material about it, I can only make uneducated guesses to reasons why it came out of nowhere. Maybe Cawl would be accused of tech-heresy for his work without Guilliman's public approval and was more interested in not sticking his own neck out by helping people? Or maybe he was waiting for a dramatically contrived time to reveal it because only at that exact moment at the greatest of needs was it ready? Or maybe it was unclear if it was ready at all?
I mean I guess clearly it was but overall it still doesn't make sense to me either.
Were the primaris completed early on and only released with Guilliman's resurrection, or were they only finished by the very end of the 41st millenium?
imagine if some scientist came along and told religious fundamentalists that he has modified and improved on humanity
they should have been rejected by everyone, no matter if they are actually better or not, just on the basis of it suggesting that he has modified and improved on their gods work
them accepting cawls work to be an improvement over the original creation of their holy god emperor doesnt make any sense to me
the 40k imperium is very different to the 30k imperium, they have thrown away rationality and scientific understanding and replaced it with faith
also keep in mind Cawl has Sedayne in his mind along with severaol other quite talented individuals. THE guy who made the black carapace, worked under the emperor himself directly since the age of strife, was a personal pupil for a while even before the guy was known as emp.Sedayne was a madlad and director of the astartes project.
so people who say that he could not are just stupid. khm, like a certain saltfarmer.
imagine not reading the great work smh.
GW: "oh shit how are we going to explain Cawls ability to make better space marines.... aaa fuck it he is a bunch of super scientist all in one."
I think he’s also got a ctan shard somewhere too, plus the whole “void dragon influences the creators on Mars with its dreams” thing
@@rockman9377 WH40K fans
no prgoress:REEEEE
progress:REEEEEEE
please read the great work, it is actually well explained and makes sense, for a change it is sensible progress and not grimderp.
Gergő Kerekes valid criticism of GWs cheap story telling primarisfans: REEEE REEEE.
@@rockman9377 read the great work, then you might have some basis to talk about primaris. until that your opinion is meaningless.
Just what i needed after all this fucking shit i went through today, big thanks majorkill
@Abe Froman i am thank you mate
Timmy got an undeserved break this time
Baldermort narrated a story about how a chapter got ambushed in a place where they where supposed to meet custodes and accept the primaris however the mere fact they got ambushed got the automatic death sentenced from the custodes since its possible they had a leak somewhere hence their entire chapter was killed. Amazing short story by baldy wish it was canon
It isn't? NOOOOOOOOO
Few of Baldy's fluff stories are canon. He simply creates them to add more flavor and set the tone for the video.
Baldy IS 40k cannon. And that story is my reason to despise the golden lap-dogs!
@@Aredel interesting, honestly I couldn't tell. It doesn't really change much though, the guy apparently writes some great fluff.
@@scottdodge6979 yeah he does itd always a pleasure to binge his videos. A lot of people keep wondering why he hasn't signed up with Audible. Some warhammer stories in there would benefit from his story telling
God that codex joke hit me in the xenos dangly bits.
xenos *HEREASYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY*
Here before Majorkill beats timmy
Actual applicable use of the "here before" line.
Impossible
Majorkill always beats Timmy before posting
I’m pretty sure that Kayvaan Shrike became primaris himself, which points toward the raven guard accepting them
Consider that Corvus Corax tried to do it but ended up creating more mutants than soldiers and screwing up their geneseed stock.
Then again, maybe Cawl might have used his blue print and improved about it.
Wondering if TTS Corax would suffer nervous breakdown since it reminded of his failed experiments.
@@powerist209 Corax would had succeeded if not for the alpha legion interference
@@justinLaw5Cawl acknowledged that fact, and mentioned that if it had been done in secret, it likely would have succeeded. Can’t remember the book, unfortunately
Hence why no one knew about Primaris prior to the Indomitus Crusade. They were kept secret to avoid tampering (probably by alpha legion again)
There is a tale in the Ravenguard supplement about a firstborn captain who hated primaris because they didnt fit into his way of war and gave them all the shit jobs. Because of this primaris assigned to his company usually ended up much more experienced then primaris in other companies because they had to work that much harder to be treated with respect.
raven guard and its successors had to be geeked up to be able utilize the full force of the legion in millenia
the Primaris that were given to the Dark Angels actually got memory-wiped repeatedly. the book about it is part of the Space Marines Conquests series. but yeah, the Primaris found out some crazy shit, and didn’t trust when they said they needed to hit up the Apothecary, so they activated their own Belisarian Furnaces to stay conscious during what would have been another complete memory wipe.
I’m sure the response of the Reasonable Marines to the Primaris Marines was very, very… reasonable.
Lmao
Guilliman: "Hail, Supreme Grand Master Azrael!"
Azrael: 👀
Guilliman: "Uhh... does all go well?"
Azrael: 👀
Guilliman: "No matter, I'm here for the up most importance!"
Azreal: 👀
Guilliman: "........"
Azrael: 👀
Guilliman: "I'm here to provide reinforcements with your very own Primaris Space Marines!"
Azrael: 👀
Guilliman: "...Uhh.... They'll truly be of aid to your most esteemed chapter!"
Azrael: 👀
Guilliman: ".............."
Azrael: 👀👍
Guilliman: "Oooookay then.... As you were...."
Azrael: 👀
Could Chaos or Red Corsair marines conceivably steal and use primaris geneseed? Would they also need an updated instruction manual or what?
I don't see why red corsairs can't use them, maybe a primaris didn't like his new chapter because they kept calling him names so he ran away and joined a pirate fleet. Proper chaos tho I'm sure will get their own official version in due time.
I'd love to see Chaos Primaris Marines
Hey, leave the actual full firstborn chapters alone!
@@marcusanthony9322 I think it's interesting speculation but where Chaos doesn't have the exact means/technology to replicate the Rubicon Primaris I think that it won't be a straight copy but Fabius Bile and his "New Men" are about as close to this concept ad we'll get too until further developments!
I mean, Fabius Bile is still out there and lets be real, the man is a psychotic lunatic genius. It is very likely if he could capture a couple of them, he could figure them out. I'd hate to imagine the fate of them at Biles hands, as it would likely be worse than death, but with a few live dissections, I'm sure the imperium would soon shudder to see that their mighty new toys start showing up in Chaos legions.
Imperial Fists: " Wanna build a sand castle? "
Primaris marines about to cry: " Y-yes. I'd love that. I'm home. "
I was very happy about our new brothers! I hugged the first one I saw as a long lost brother and then I took him to my forge and started showing him how to modify his wargear!
I started my Primaris as all being Black Dragons, since I wanted to make that chapter without just rebuying a new Marine army.
In the lore, they put a lot of status on the bone growths their chapter is known for, and as such, while reinforcements were welcome, I saw then as being religated to the reserve companies to start as they weren't "true black dragons". So one of the first models I bought was an Apothocary, with the idea for him being that he was working on creating and developing the bone growths and other mutations in the primaris marines and the restock of geneseed they were given so they could again be true members of the chapter.
I feel like Iron Hands could have been a coin flip. Either A: you're absolutely right and they take it pragmatically as an upgrade. Or B: They see it as heresy against the Omnissiah and have to be "convinced" to accept them like Seth and his Flesh Tearers. Although A does seem like what's canon.
Helbrecht: Oh thank the emperor, we really needed more marines for our crusade against the furries.
Kayvaan shrike (chapter master of the raven guard) had the Primaris upgrade. A little more info about the raven guard
I feel like the space wolves had the right idea, even if you're a chonkyer meaner marine, you're still new to a Galaxy of endless war and death
Just a quick question to fellow nerds here, how does your custom chapter view primaris (or if they are primaris, how do they view firstborn marines?)
Not really keen on the lore so it might seems redundant or not correct on canon things BUT. Mine is a Ultima Foundation one from the Iron Hands : Gorgon's Fury. They're pretty much all primaris except the triumvirat that serves as chapter masters (like Iron hands they're a council with one of them being representative) So, how do they view primaris? Pretty good. The three veterans passed the rubicon and viewed being Primaris as a direct upgrade toward transhumanism
My chapter see primaris as unproven and send them to the fruntlines for combat while the primaris believe that they are given the hard jobs because they are so dam good at it
I made quite a few chapters, so I will just tell about the most important:
1. Void Crosses - due to their deep culture and very complicated genetics don't have Primaris
2. Star Protectors - as chapter that focuses more about cold and tactical way of fighting accepted Primaris in similar manner like Space Wolves
3. Solar Nomads - they had problems with keeping numbers high, so pretty well
4. Hunting Angels - they don't like them due to being very individual based chapter
5. Dark Knights - chapter made in Ultima Funding, so all Primaris. They admire Firstborn as the true heroes
since my chapter is one of: get the shit done as soon as possible and leave, having more soldiers to do this, well, tha's a good one
My homebrew absolutely despise Primaris as they think that there culture would be over-run by Ultramarine culture. However they do use them due to the Custodians saying to. They basically are used as cannon fodder while the firstborn get transferred into Primaris
As soon as the White Scars heard that Primaris would include some new vehicles as well:
*We will take your entire stock*
Calgar of the Smurfs, Shrike of the Beaky Bois, and Kor'Sarro of the Weeb Scars were among the first to do the Primaris Rubicon. I think at least one member of each Successor Chapter has an "old" Space Marine enhanced with the Primaris upgrades, plus the usual favorites like Black Templars etc
Don’t even play or read 40k but I’ll be damned if I miss a video
Amen
It's like having a cooler, bigger, and more well spoken younger brother. Gots to burn
Imagine how the chaos space marines reacted when they found out they were basically replaced
Iron Hands : FINALLY A FUKKEN UPDATE AFTER THOSE 10K YEARS OMNISSIAHDAMMIT MARS
It actually felt weird, that the Imperium couldn't research a microwave in 10 000 years. One would think, that with all those resources, all the techpriests, biologist and whatever else, working for 10 000 years, they would actually be able to make basic things. Instead, they forgotten more. Which is just weird.
The 10K years of stagnation is GWs ploy to slow down the story so they can milk their fans harder. Everything they touch gets corrupted by their dirty hands that reek of ball sweat and money
@@kermit8173 Boooy that hate against GW! What did GW ever done against you? We should get a grudge stone and deliver it to GW.
@@Kareszkoma idk, maybe destroying fan projects that put out better work than they ever did? Slowing down the plot to a state where the emperor will never leave his throne so they can make this bullshit levels of hype last as long as possible. A slow trickle of content into the mouths of their fans.
@@kermit8173 Destroying Animators. The one thing that kept wh40k alive these years and what gave it hype. The animations. If not for Bruva, or TTS, wh40k would've slowly faded to the unknown. Even when Dawn of War II came out, wh40k was basically a cult classic. Far from mainstream. Pretty much nobody gave it a thought, regardless of books, because of the lack in content.
But so many online artists came after 2010. So much digital artwork. That people started commissioning wh40k art. Some people make videos, lore or funny, and slowly it started to be a thing. All thanks to the artist, animators, fans. All thanks to people who paid those animators and helped them.
What GW does? Let's murder them. Let's destroy everything. I was serious about the grudge stone, even if the rest was sarcastic. Let's get a big polished stone, GW-s sins carved into it, and thrown into their yard.
Enjoyed the video although I do have one note on it regarding the Space Wolves, they don’t have any in the space wolves chapter but instead created their first successful successor chapter with them known as the Wolfspear
Very wrong here. Read Wolftime. They decline at first, but after a certain incident in the book Grinmar does accept the gifted Primaris into the Wolves, as well as start creating Primaris Wolves, AND sending existing Wolves to the new successors to train them and teach them the ways of Russ.
Thanks for keeping the high quality content coming! Your channel is by far one of the best warhammer channels on RUclips. Keep up the good work!
Space sharks probably haven't received primaris yet, due to the whole "going into da void baby."
Working on my Death Company Primaris, sort of envious how the original box had way more original heads and shoulder bits
EBay Brother. Flesh Tearer here, I need so many black armoured monsters ……..
I love how the new alpharius book explains a bunch of things about the early lore for the primarchs
Edit: I like that dark angel artwork anywhere I can find it?
Wait a minute...I recently bought a book about Alpharius... I kinda forgot it on a shelf so I haven't read it completely but I think it's the one you're talking about
You lost the heart when you edit your comment
@@sunhunter0914 it came out sometime January or so, it’s good it’s called Alpharius Head of the Hydra
@@rexlumontad5644 what
@@uwuwithcthulhu2300 You didn't get the heart from Majorkill right?
Great video. This is completely off topic but I wanted to commend your extremely clear and properly leveled audio. I used your videos to adjust the equalizer on a new PC because your audio is so consistent that I could listen and adjust the EQ to get my levels just as I like them. So something useful for me and another fun video as a bonus!
Roboute Guilliman: TAKE THESE REFORCMENTS OR ELSE!!!!!
My homebrew chapters: you ok mate?
Ok now do, "How did the Chaos Legions React to Primaris reinforcements" I havent seen any yet in the lore but you'd think despite their resistance there's be a few heretic primaris.
well the answer is: "They are all cool with it regardless because we need to sell model" [GW]
For a more lore-y version of this, “they are cool with it regardless of personal thoughts because they need all the bolt guns they can get in this day and age.”
@@theinquisitor8112 that's not really lorey though, they definitely wouldn't get along for the sake of it? There would definitely be forge worlds that would prefer The Lion's view or G-man's. It wouldn't be a simple "coming together to face a greater foe" otherwise this would just be a fairy tale
@@theinquisitor8112 I actually just realised my first reply was to a different topic :'D
my bad. Clearly I am sleepy.
But in response to "they need all the guns" yeah, sorta true, but at the same time, they are proud individuals, the universe is stagnant for a reason, things breaking convention is a not acceptable.
That imperial fist bit is so true. Any modern firstborn imperial fist must be so mixed with whatever the soul drinkers are and the remains of the 2nd legion.
Carcharodons pulled up to a ship floating through space with a note on it that said "4 u, new primaris marines. Didn't know when you'd be back"
The Red Scorpions (Space Nazis) neary got wacked by Guliman himself for rejecting the Primaris. They REALLY didnt like the idea.
Well they are sons of Fulgrib at last right?
@@edalmirneto4246 Ah I didn't know they were Emperor's Children decended?, where did you hear that ?
2:09 "The Primaris Space Marines are a perversion of the Emperor's work. He may be a rotting corpse but He created perfection in the Legiones Astartes. I cannot imagine for a moment that some arrogant Magos Biologis will have done anything but the flaw that work beyond redemption - D'Sahk of the Alpha Legion Traitor Legion
This shit's heretical- Heretic
Sounds like he's jealous.
Mentors legion/chapter: yeah, we've been testing these guys out for a few thousand years, all Cawl did was finalise some stuff and ship them off
The raven guard would be very pleased with some of the technology cawl provided. The phobos armour specifically as well as all the incursor auspex scanning stuff. Most of the standard formations and strike group set ups would remain but not potentially being bolstered or just nre ones created. Having marines able to go alongside scouts on recon/sabotage/assassination etc is certainly helpful. As well as having sniper weapons that are better than a glorified boltgun
Kayvaan Shrike, Chapter Master of the Raven Guard, was enthusiastic enough about the Primaris that he became one himself.
I know it's heretical but the God Emperor is still a man and of course his creation should be improved eventually.
Yeah. They’re basically just the Raptor Project 2.0 so I don’t fully understand the issue. Like sure, some of the lore is dodgy but people tellin me that a groovy robot has been spending 10 millennial working on this and he shouldn’t have been able improve upon the emperor’s work?
Would you like to repeat that, sir?
HERSEY! PURGE, BURN, CRUSH AND SODOMIZE THE HERETIC!!
@@marcusanthony9322 sodomize? Praise Slannesh!
yea well...problem is that GW upgraded the Emperor due to the great rift opening and 10.000 years of prayers, he is a god now.
Me first me me me, majorkill your an absolute don, watching from london geezer, cheers for the quality content
I have no idea why, but the way Australians say "Grasshooper," is so auditorily addictive.
The Red Hunters were probably told they always had them after their latest mind wipe
Rolled a joint, came outside to smoke, boom you upload.
Cheers bud
Part of me is happy that Primaris are not something Chaos already has copied, and they have to go without, but I really am still surprised they haven't. Cawl had 10,000 years to work, but so has Fabius Bile, depending on time dilation vs warp spaghetti, and he's been able to clone Primarchs. I know he has other things going, and has his "New Men", but the idea that he hasn't managed to improve CSM forces with his own High Science, captured some functional Primaris, and vivisected them, or just had one group of Primaris fall to Chaos, and then the bits are in their arsenal, leads me to wonder. Oh well.
You'd have to get the chaos marines to agree to the upgrade and make it a widely known and applicable transmutation that the warbands would be willing to use. As for the Primaris marines themselves, they'd be closely watched by all the chapters and executed if they turned traitor. Even if they escaped, they don't know how the procedure works, and there'd be so few of them that it wouldn't make much of a difference.
One of the books mentioned they got primaris for all legions, so I'm guessing chaos would steal theirs at some point.
Raven guard: "well, nevermore but actually yes."
Tyberos, the Red Wake, successfully crosses the Rubicon. That's like being one of those when they wake up in the morning and their feet hit the floor, Satan and all his minions look up from hell and go, "Oh, shit! He's up! We're so fucked!!"
hellbrect took the primaris because they needed more marines against the furries
AVENGE ME, BROTHERRR!
@@boartank you made my day bro
To quote the great Rogal Dorn: This is true
People would warm up to the Primaris more if there were any Primaris Heroes, as in, not a First Born who crossed the Rubicon but a Primaris with a personality and plenty of heroic feats to distinguish him from his identical brothers
I particularly like how the special gear of every named marine that crossed the Rubicon magically grew to match their new size too
I think the Raven Guard woud dry hump any new recruits on the spot.
There is an interesting moment in an audio where there is a huge battle going as elements of the Ultramarines and Space Wolves stand watching, the latter with a brand new contingent of Primaris attending, when a agitated Firstborn Space Wolf asks "Why are we not joining the fight!" only for his Ultramarine counterpart to reply dryly "We are waiting for orders." Without any invivation, a Primaris Space Wolf says "We're waiting for orders" like a spoilt child mocking the Ultramarine and causing much sniggering and amusment amongst the Firstborn Wolves.
I’d like to hear your views on different match ups. Like custodians vs grey knights, deathwatch vs sisters of battle etc. Or even well know chaptermasters/captains 1vs1. Thanks for the great videos :)
Q: How did the Loyalist Chapters React to Primaris Marines?
A: They got triggered by the possibility of Chadmaris Marines stealing their big titty eldar girlfriends.
I always did love the Flesh Tearers.
“We are Vengeance, we are Fury, we are Death! “- Seth prior to annihilating an Inquisitor. Along with 3 transports and all their thousands of crew. Had to be done.
They all loved them so much and immediately could not wait to be friends with them and begin making new best friend replacements.
I love primaris for me it was a great use because the first born were like a step in the direction to make a perfect soldier,so yeah the primaris being better (not that much) is great addition to the legions because thanks to all the shit that happen so many legions lose astartes In enormous quantities
When people complain about the Primaris upgrade. Remind them that there were only 66 years between the Wright Flyer and Apollo 11. Innovation is SO MUCH easier than straight up invention.
That’s still fucking insane to think about, honestly. Like seriously, think about: we went from “we cannot truly fly, only float on balloons” to “holy shit we’ve got rocks from the moon.”
@@theinquisitor8112 it also makes me wonder if there were people alive who saw both. Imagine watching the first ever heavier than air controlled flight then 66years later, watching the Moon landing on TV. Imagine the stories that person could tell.
@@UncleMikeDrop Unfortunately, the vast majority of those people are likely dead by now, especially if they lived in Europe.
@@theinquisitor8112 well, yeah. I meant they could have told those stories to their kids and grandkids. You know those stories are coming out at every visit and family reunion. We could all use a bit more wonder in our lives.👍
Your minis arrived today, had a hair in one of them, was delicious, excellent prints btw
After Rynns world I’m sure Kantor and his Crimson Fists were stoked
I was hoping to hear about the Black Templar reaction, where they freak out and murder the Custodes and primaris
Custodes cannot be easily killed by space Marines, including the Black Templars.
@@huuphuclecao8712 they still died
@@paulsegers1880 1 custodes dead=1 chapter SM destroy.;)
@@huuphuclecao8712No I mean the Black Templar’s straight up killed the Custodes in the story. Not easily but they still technically won.
@HuuPhuc Lecao not at all, and in the HH books with Garro a custodes was ambushed and killed by traitor White Scars fairly easily
I imagine the white scars would be right down the middle with it. Like they'd be practical about it and appreciate the new toys etc, but also probably wary (at least initially) about trusting them outright until they proved themselves - simply due to the lack of shared yellowness, er. I mean culture...
Well the real life Mongols weren't too fussed about inducting foreigners into their armies.
i mean i think all you'd have to do to get the white scars on board is show them how fast the new vehicles coming with the primaris can go
If I recall properly, in the book Conquest: Apocalypse a Raven Guard reaver speaks to an Imperial Fist of how the RG were very welcoming of the primaris bc of their lessen rate of mutation which is a constant struggle for the raven boys bc of their low gene seed stash and its stability. Although he also said that some older Raven Guard didnt trust them much.
I love the idea of Cawl sending the Traitor Legions their own Primaris as a goof
How you gonna think that the Dark Angles will trust the Primaris? Even if they have to accept them there are numerous accidents that could happen on the battlefield.
I’d love a story where the Dark Angels leave the bulk of their Primaris to die in a battlefield just to steal their geneseed. Then the fallout of that decision.
Half of the black Templars are like no cause they're not made by the Emperor and they are considered as Heresy.
To which the boys in gold can respond “your bolters were not made by the Emperor, so you openly commit heresy in front of us?” Or some shit.
@@QixTheDS and then we respond we don't used bolters we used swords and our fist
@@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven shit, uh
And then the Custodes respond “did the Emperor forge those swords of yours? I thought so.”
@@QixTheDS half of the Templars stood next to the Dreadnought blade's and bolters drawn the custodians readied their spears as silence filled the room
big G: Aye yo we got some new spicy marines for your chapter!
Black Templar: but are we not good enough?
big G: no you are more than enough but I wanted to get a chuckle out of it. So do your worst to the new guy.🤣
The minotaurs seemed to enjoy bullying imperial fists just fine with their primaris brothers