This would be cool to have like a secondary "hidden" video on a VHS tape, if you record this signal on a hifi track of a VHS tape it should have more than enough bandwidth as it goes up to 20kHz, so essentially you have two simultaneous video signals on the same tape! Also Wow and flutter on VCRs are very low as speeds have to be very stable.
Your sense of music is just amazing :'3 dark ambient and industrial, and here i thought I'd never see content creators with similar taste to me. oh awesome video btw :)
@@JanusCycle i got rely inspired to explore the soundscape possibilities of this audio -> video method. Wondering if the is noticeable symmetry in music if find beautiful, or whether it differ from "normal/radio" music
I immediately recognized Star Trek: The Next Generation and “The Max Headroom [Impersonator] Incident”, though it helps that I was recently thinking about both.
Haha, I recognised the Max Headroom hack of course. The TNG screen tests were a nice surprise, but I know they made the rounds as creepy videos a while ago. Recognised the latter mostly by the cadence of the actors' motion, and Patrick Stewart's bald head, than any visible details! And mostly just recognised the former by the background :)
@@JanusCycle the “mugshot” style turning, facing, and holding still is pretty distinctive for screen tests! Then it was just a matter of narrowing it down from there :) the fact this was the test with the finished costumes, rather than the one with civilian clothes with visor prototypes etc, helped too!
I like many things in this video. It combines my fascinations of cassette tape and analog video, it introduces a software that I didn't know existed. Just, wow!
Great experiment of making video from an audiocassette and playing it on an UMPC, the first scene was creepy and your music really added the effect to it. That Fisher Price retro toy was ahead of its time. I really like how you make your videos and your music. Thank you, Janus for sharing.
Thank you. Your comments are very encouraging. I put a lot of effort into sharing how it feels to explore technology. I really appreciate when someone notices. Keep sharing your own experiences, that's what makes the world a better place.
Excellent video, I find old video tech and curiosities like video on audiotape very fascinating and I so happen to be a member of the NBTV group! I instantly recognized Max Headroom impersonator and Star Trek Next Generation guy. Anyhow might think of experimenting with video to audiotape myself.
Really glad to hear you enjoyed this. The NBTV standards are really interesting. I'm so glad I found the group and started messing around with it. Cassette decks can really degrade this sort of precise signal, so I was stoked to actually get a working image.
realizing I was seeing the Max Headroom broadcast while scary music played was one of the funniest things I've watched in a minute. Also very informative video very useful thank
It can really make my day to hear about the sort of experiences people have watching my weird videos. I really enjoyed your comment. Thank you for letting me know.
The video quality of recording footage onto a standard compact cassette tape results in what one could imagine if recording of a live video stream across the barrier of time or dimensions were possible. It would create a frighteningly and chilling account of the bizarre possibilities of what the Universe could present to us. Perhaps it is best not to temper with things that we were never meant to know. 🙄
Fantastic video. I wonder if a reel-to-reel, playing at a faster speed, would have better picture stabilization? I might have to experiment with this myself.
It's probably sad how quickly I recognized the Star Trek TNG Season 1 cast's screen tests from such low-resolution pictures. I had suspicions that I saw Patrick Stewart, but then it cut to Denise Crosby and I knew. 🖖
What would be the effect of applying various audio EQ to the tape before playback? Would it completely blow the signal to shreds? Maybe some "interesting" effects could be achieved.
Ahh.. watching the image quality playback reminded me of trying to sneak in an episode of something on my Casio tv-200 back in the day! - nice upload! Max headroom and stng definitely part of the montage
what if instead of encode raw video directly first use digital video compression and then record compressed video as analog signal ? with DVB they managed to fit about 10 channels in bandwidth of one regular analog channel. here we would probably get 10 times better quality.
You would need a lot of error correction, and I'm not too sure audio cassettes have enough bandwidth to do so. DAT tapes can certainly stored all of that as DATs are of course digital.
@@rommix0 DAT also used helical scan heads to maximize the bandwidth and speed available. In theory the bit rate from a DAT tape is about the same as a CD since the sample rate is the same, so you could encode MPEG1 video on a DAT with no problem, just like VideoCD.
This used to be my DREAM, till my grandfather who worked for AMPEX at the time took me to the museum and R&D areas of the complex and showed me how magnetic tape works, both video and audio and I got to see some laser based/optical/non-linear platforms of media they had and were currenty working on. Think laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD type looking formats, a lot of silver and gold looking discs. ANYWAY - Once I knew how helical scanning worked, I realized that an audio cassette tape is not only too small but doesn't have the right heads, the right case, the right type of tape even. The thing that comes closest to this idea is like MiniDV and Compact8 which both have such thin delicate tapes and one of these had a very high cost in comparison just makes it a second generation idea that still doesnt work.
Funny. Next: Digital audio on analog tape. In 1982 some brands like JVC, Sharp and some other Japanese brands made some PCM prototypes with use of 2 (or 4?) digital encoded tracks. Ten years later, Philips introduced DCC, using 8 digital encoded tracks however not all of the tracks is used for digital audio. I always wonder what will happen when you play a wavefile its bytes as sound and record it on an analog tape. After this, play it back and record on PC the sound as raw bytes and after this convert it to a wav file. I wonder what is left and how it sounds, if you can still hear anything of the music.
Oddly enough, at that low resoluttion, I do regognise the movies Star Trek TNG, and Blade Runner. Indeed, by rampig the tape speed up one can gain a qualety boost. Look as how VERA recorded only Black and White TV at about 30 FPS... 5 Metres of tape per second... Wat would that be at color... 😀
I've been looking for a software toy to play with narrowband TV for years and years, ever since I got my ham license. I wanna say thanks for pointing me in the right direction to that forum
I'm really glad I was able to help. I'm very keen to see an NBTV encoder and decoder made for Android devices. But I understand that finding someone with the ability and time to make that software would be challenging. Let me know how you go with your NBTV experimentation if you wish. I'm also keen to make another video on the subject one day.
i tried to record video to Cassettes beacuse i was bored one day and had a couple blank tapes. i plugged my dvd players yelllow composite jack into audio input of a tape recorder. then i took the audio output and plugged it into the yellow composite input on a black and white tv i have and there was no video i tried turning up the sound to see if that could work but it didnt it made black blurry lines appear on screen and thats about it.
Isn't there a way to archive better quality in this type II tape? Like, moving the the frequency domain of the 32 kilo hertz and above to the other audio channel, frequency-multiplexing it with the low frequency sound (containing dialogues, music and audio effects). That way, a computer program can still reproduce the contents of the cassette into higher quality video while the cassette itself can be backward combatible with standard NBTV receivers.
Yes, I agree that using both the stereo tracks like this would greatly increase the available bandwidth. Your backwards compatibility is very interesting, thanks for mentioning it.
@@JanusCycle You are welcome :) If you are a computer programmer, you may try to make a program similar to NBSC scrape, using my suggested ideas. I believe it woths the try.
Lol I converted that same Max Headroom to NBTV! I was excited to see if that software did a better job at displaying the videos I had previously recorded to audio cassette, but for some reason it was WAY worse, couldn't sync at all. Is there a way to make NBSC videos from a video file with this software or is screen capture the only input method?
@@JanusCycle I assure you it would be a "fair use" case. I will only need a small portion. Thanks a ton already. Please let me know if you meant something differently (or I didn't get you properly) in your last comment. 🙂
i always wonder with that PXL-2000, would it have worked better if it just use more then one tape like 2 3 4 maybe 6? of them in a plastic housing uniting and you put the timer on the cam unit of how many mins you have to record or to play and it just use all the tapes at once to make a good video image?
Do you mean several tapes at the same time with the signal split across them? That's interesting. The PXL-2000 records the video information on the left audio channel of the cassette, and the audio on the right channel. If the PXL-2000 had used both sides of the tape at the same time that would have really helped. You would still have one channel for audio. But now three for video, triple the amount of information for the video signal. Add a second cassette and you can get stereo audio and six times the bandwidth for much better video. But this does make it much more complex and expensive for what was sold as a toy. It was just such an amazing toy for it's time that we still talk about it today.
@@JanusCycle becasue its a shame i don't have the money or know how to do a project like this to make it possible, would have been cool if that was done
@@JanusCycle also to be fair toys in the past have indeed push computers to become faster and better in odd ways, I mean just look at the Z80 alone powered 70% of toys of the 80s lot alone the 90s
That sounds really interesting. Please do let me know how it goes. If you have any questions or need any help then please ask. Making videos has taught me how difficult, and also how rewarding it is to be creative. Despite the constant struggle, it's worth every moment. I really appreciate hearing about people's creative journey and it's an honour to think I may have helped provide a bit of inspiration along the way, thank you so much for sharing. Thanks for watching and your comments. Looking forward to hearing/seeing your work.
Do you know of an encoder software that can convert from a video file, I find the screen record method to be quite inconvenient, and the fact that it doesn't need to convert it in real time should mean that the conversion process should be quicker. even if it only supports one format, as long as it's monochrome video and one audio channel, that'd be fine.
I would love to find more software, especially an Android based encoder and decoder. The NBTV forums are really the only place I know that has anything.
@@JanusCycle I found an encoder called video2NBTV, that can encode a color video signal onto a single audio track, the color itself doesn't translate well to cassette, but monochrome video is just about possible. I think it may be an issue with the DC offset filter on the sound card. also are you having issues with the NBSC player not passing through sound on the other channel.
Tape can handle 2400 bits per second, possibly up to 9600 bits per second. At this speed video would not look much better. With lots of motion it will look much worse. Nice idea though.
@@JanusCycle only if you do it "dumb" way as zx-spectrum and others did. think about phone line has waaaay worse quality than audio tape and still can give 33600 bps
@@yumiwatanabe440 That's what I thought, but tape has problems that phone lines don't, such as the wow/flutter problem he mentioned. I've heard that people achieved done similar speeds on tape, but it's not nearly as easy as I thought.
It's important to consider that this is analog video I'm recording on this tape. But to answer your question you could record up to 100 - 200 kilobytes on a 60 minute tape. I tried this once in a very old video called 'Microcassette data backup using acoustic coupling' :)
@@JanusCycle Wow that's incredibly smaller than I thought. Like a 2 minute song mp3 can be 2 mb. So if a tape can hold 60 minutes that's 30 songs. And mp3 is compressed so the tape should be holding much more than that in uncompressed data. Blows my mind. But thank you so much for the response!
@@linsqopiring6816 You make an interesting comparison with mp3. Because mp3 discards a huge amount of sounds that we don't normally hear, like up to 80% of the music frequencies are discarded by the mp3 format, yet they still need lots of digital bits to do that. Whereas cassette tapes record all of those music frequencies on them, at least up to 16kHz or so. So you could say they hold a lot more information than mp3 holds. But they are limited instead by analogue distortion, hiss and wow and flutter that humans don't pay much attention to when we are getting into the music from a cassette. These extreme analogue limitations are what make it really hard for cassettes to hold digital information or you will get errors trying to fit too many digital bits on them. I'm sure there is a lesson here somewhere. Such as how extremely precise hard drives have been engineered to hold all that data on magnetic spinning discs. I't's kinda miraculous really.
Very very interesting video, thanks for your knowledge. Could be possible to "recreate" the PXL-2000 with a normal camcorder plugged into a walkman? Or do you need an encoder first to write video on the cassette tape? Thank you!
You definitely need an encoder/decoder. It would be possible to build a small circuit to convert the 6MHz camcorder composite video out signal to a 16kHz video signal for the Walkman. That's a bit beyond my knowledge though. And if you speed up the tape, you may be able to record better images with colour. But you might have to modify the Walkman's internal circuity as well for that to work.
@@JanusCycle That's interesting for an experiment. Could be possible to do something in the main cable to reduce and adjust the signal bandwidth? Or maybe programming an encoder/decoder into a raspberry as an interface between camcorder and walkman? Thank you
@@detectivedreams Yes, a Raspberry Pi would be able to convert the signal. Here is an interesting thread discussing the ability of the RPi to process video. www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=96871
I was only able to install the very first version of Windows 10 version 1507, build 10240. Later versions didn't want to install at all. I haven't tried using Windows Update to see if it can be updated that way. Because I only needed Windows 10 for this one project.
@@JanusCycle I only tried 20H2, it didn't work, then i installed XP SP3, i didn't found driver for the touchscreen. I installed Windows Vista Business (which is the OS it vas shipped with), it runs great, ind i have all the drivers.
This would be cool to have like a secondary "hidden" video on a VHS tape, if you record this signal on a hifi track of a VHS tape it should have more than enough bandwidth as it goes up to 20kHz, so essentially you have two simultaneous video signals on the same tape! Also Wow and flutter on VCRs are very low as speeds have to be very stable.
Really good idea, more experiments one day :)
How about trying a reel to reel tape machine at 7.5/15/30" / sec? 🙂
@@thomashenden71 I’d love to see one with two-inch-wide tape and a spinning head drum.
Why is it everyone who comes to this video is thinking of the exact same stuff?
@@AmaroqStarwind Great minds think alike :)
Your sense of music is just amazing :'3 dark ambient and industrial, and here i thought I'd never see content creators with similar taste to me. oh awesome video btw :)
Thank you very much for this comment. Music is important to me. It's great to hear that someone else really appreciates this style as well.
@@JanusCycle yeah we're too few and far between. we're too underground for our own good.
@@JanusCycle i got rely inspired to explore the soundscape possibilities of this audio -> video method. Wondering if the is noticeable symmetry in music if find beautiful, or whether it differ from "normal/radio" music
I immediately recognized Star Trek: The Next Generation and “The Max Headroom [Impersonator] Incident”, though it helps that I was recently thinking about both.
Well spotted, nice!
Omg they are perfect for a scary movie
no
@@jessihawkins9116 that was 2 years ago man
@@tonivoul1971 no
@@jessihawkins9116 yes
Yes
Haha, I recognised the Max Headroom hack of course. The TNG screen tests were a nice surprise, but I know they made the rounds as creepy videos a while ago. Recognised the latter mostly by the cadence of the actors' motion, and Patrick Stewart's bald head, than any visible details! And mostly just recognised the former by the background :)
Well done, It's interesting that character movement was how you recognized them.
@@JanusCycle the “mugshot” style turning, facing, and holding still is pretty distinctive for screen tests! Then it was just a matter of narrowing it down from there :) the fact this was the test with the finished costumes, rather than the one with civilian clothes with visor prototypes etc, helped too!
I like many things in this video. It combines my fascinations of cassette tape and analog video, it introduces a software that I didn't know existed. Just, wow!
Awesome! I'm glad this was an enjoyable experience for you :)
Great experiment of making video from an audiocassette and playing it on an UMPC, the first scene was creepy and your music really added the effect to it. That Fisher Price retro toy was ahead of its time. I really like how you make your videos and your music. Thank you, Janus for sharing.
Thank you. Your comments are very encouraging. I put a lot of effort into sharing how it feels to explore technology. I really appreciate when someone notices. Keep sharing your own experiences, that's what makes the world a better place.
3:26 - Picard looks like an alien! That was Picard right??? And Tasha Yar and Riker! and Geordi! This is awesome!!!
Yes, all TNG crew members! the video was production test shots of the crew, made before the first episode was filmed.
@@JanusCycle Oh!!! That's interesting! That's why it seemed so different! Thanks for letting me know!
This is one of the coolest channels I’ve stumbled upon. Got here searching for info on pagers.
Thank you! It's great you found my pager video first, that's really interesting.
Regardless of the quality it's still an image.
Excellent video, I find old video tech and curiosities like video on audiotape very fascinating and I so happen to be a member of the NBTV group! I instantly recognized Max Headroom impersonator and Star Trek Next Generation guy. Anyhow might think of experimenting with video to audiotape myself.
Really glad to hear you enjoyed this. The NBTV standards are really interesting. I'm so glad I found the group and started messing around with it. Cassette decks can really degrade this sort of precise signal, so I was stoked to actually get a working image.
The Star Trek guy, is Jean-Luc Picard btw.
Simple, Clean, Scary, Techy great video !
I really wanted to do this when I was a kid. Now I now what the result would have been more or less 🙂 Thank you for sharing this.
Came here from Hugh Jeffreys and have been binging your videos ever since! Keep up man
Thanks, enjoy
the ambience of your video is😘🤍🤍🤍
Thank you :)
how could I have possibly known that this would _not_ be a safe video to watch while high?
this is the last thing I expected to spook me!
Life can be uncertain. This one is much more chill, like sitting in a comfy chair. ruclips.net/video/vMNXpJTdVuk/видео.html
realizing I was seeing the Max Headroom broadcast while scary music played was one of the funniest things I've watched in a minute. Also very informative video very useful thank
It can really make my day to hear about the sort of experiences people have watching my weird videos. I really enjoyed your comment. Thank you for letting me know.
This is the set up used to capture every existing footage of big foot
The video quality of recording footage onto a standard compact cassette tape results in what one could imagine if recording of a live video stream across the barrier of time or dimensions were possible. It would create a frighteningly and chilling account of the bizarre possibilities of what the Universe could present to us. Perhaps it is best not to temper with things that we were never meant to know. 🙄
This would be neat to run through audio filters. Like an EQ, echo, flanger etc…
This kind of opens a lot of possible experiments to see what other recording mediums or audio compression standards will do to the signal
Yes! I want to revisit this experiment with more devices in the future.
@@JanusCycle I'd actually love to see his with varying levels of mp3 compression, just to see what the data loss does
@@j377yb33n Ooh, that is a good idea. I have a voice recorder that can record in 192, 128, 48 and 8 kbps. I will try this. Could make a good video.
2:40 Exactly what I needed before bed time. And I do hope the RUclips algorithm picks one of your videos up soon. This is way underrated.
It's like watching beings from another world trying to communicate back in the 50's lol
I recorded on a tape with NBSC audio feeding into my cassette recorder then I rewound the tape and fed the video output in the computer. IT WORKS!
Awesome and Well Done! Thanks for letting me know.
Gonna have to use this for some Analog horror or a music video!
Fantastic video. I wonder if a reel-to-reel, playing at a faster speed, would have better picture stabilization? I might have to experiment with this myself.
Yes, I think a quality real-to-real would produce a somewhat better, more stable image. If you do try, I'd like to know how it goes.
Maybe use a hi-fi VHS but use the audio track?
It would be interesting to use the tape mechanism of the pixelvision camera to record and playback the 'modern' compressed narrow band tv signal.
It produces picture from sound waves like a type of bat sonar vision, fascinating!😃
It's probably sad how quickly I recognized the Star Trek TNG Season 1 cast's screen tests from such low-resolution pictures.
I had suspicions that I saw Patrick Stewart, but then it cut to Denise Crosby and I knew. 🖖
Excellent! these characters and stories matter so much :)
Star Trek The Next Generation first season.
I still have my 1980 Apple II programs saved on audio cassettes. Poke Poke!
Hmm that fist video looks very familiar, and I think there’s a pun intended there, and it’s amazing!
I always like your background music
Hey, that were Picard and Riker on that tape! And, Tasha Yar i think.
Yes! very nice spotting there :) well done.
These are very cool. I’ve always wondered what would happen if I hooked up my H4n to a pixle2000
Nice idea! This makes me want to experiment again.
I didn't even know this was possible, it's kinda cool, star trek looks freeky but blade runner is a vibe.
This was so cool! hanks for making this video! I enjoyed it!
This was an outstanding video
What would be the effect of applying various audio EQ to the tape before playback? Would it completely blow the signal to shreds? Maybe some "interesting" effects could be achieved.
I remember seeing that toy video recorder on the Beyond 2000 tv show if memory serves correct. Never saw one in real life.
This is so cool. Although I'm unsure of how to add audio as well. The drop down for input has no options
im getting error 0xE000020B and am not able to usa an input audio channel
I didn't include audio in my experiment unfortunately. Have you been to the Narrow-Bandwidth Television Association forums?
@@JanusCycle I'll try that. Thanks
In 1927 John Logie Baird, the father of TV, recorded video signals onto a 78.
I expected some heavy bass at the end..and some smokey Proscenium footage. Great Video.
Blade runner, smart option for a casette video
VHS isn’t that bad it’s really cool actually
Look into the SDI Project, guess you'll like it))
A poor man's vcr
Ahh.. watching the image quality playback reminded me of trying to sneak in an episode of something on my Casio tv-200 back in the day! - nice upload!
Max headroom and stng definitely part of the montage
One of the videos looks like Star Trek Next Gen :) Might have to try this with my D6C too :)
Awesome! 🙂👍
Fantastic. I wonder if equivalent softwares exist on android?
I've been looking for a while but never found any.
what if instead of encode raw video directly first use digital video compression and then record compressed video as analog signal ? with DVB they managed to fit about 10 channels in bandwidth of one regular analog channel. here we would probably get 10 times better quality.
You would need a lot of error correction, and I'm not too sure audio cassettes have enough bandwidth to do so. DAT tapes can certainly stored all of that as DATs are of course digital.
@@rommix0 DAT also used helical scan heads to maximize the bandwidth and speed available. In theory the bit rate from a DAT tape is about the same as a CD since the sample rate is the same, so you could encode MPEG1 video on a DAT with no problem, just like VideoCD.
This used to be my DREAM, till my grandfather who worked for AMPEX at the time took me to the museum and R&D areas of the complex and showed me how magnetic tape works, both video and audio and I got to see some laser based/optical/non-linear platforms of media they had and were currenty working on. Think laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD type looking formats, a lot of silver and gold looking discs. ANYWAY - Once I knew how helical scanning worked, I realized that an audio cassette tape is not only too small but doesn't have the right heads, the right case, the right type of tape even. The thing that comes closest to this idea is like MiniDV and Compact8 which both have such thin delicate tapes and one of these had a very high cost in comparison just makes it a second generation idea that still doesnt work.
this is a camera made by harkonnens from Dune 2 movie...who needs shigawire now...
So cool contents , it makes me
happy
Funny. Next: Digital audio on analog tape. In 1982 some brands like JVC, Sharp and some other Japanese brands made some PCM prototypes with use of 2 (or 4?) digital encoded tracks. Ten years later, Philips introduced DCC, using 8 digital encoded tracks however not all of the tracks is used for digital audio. I always wonder what will happen when you play a wavefile its bytes as sound and record it on an analog tape. After this, play it back and record on PC the sound as raw bytes and after this convert it to a wav file. I wonder what is left and how it sounds, if you can still hear anything of the music.
VIDEO TYPE IV ! , GENIAL !
Try it on 1/4" tape at 15ips
I would love to do this when I get some more high end gear.
HELL YES
quality channel. subbed
So so cool
thanks
super cool love it omg it is possible
Oddly enough, at that low resoluttion, I do regognise the movies Star Trek TNG, and Blade Runner. Indeed, by rampig the tape speed up one can gain a qualety boost. Look as how VERA recorded only Black and White TV at about 30 FPS... 5 Metres of tape per second... Wat would that be at color... 😀
I've been looking for a software toy to play with narrowband TV for years and years, ever since I got my ham license. I wanna say thanks for pointing me in the right direction to that forum
I'm really glad I was able to help. I'm very keen to see an NBTV encoder and decoder made for Android devices. But I understand that finding someone with the ability and time to make that software would be challenging.
Let me know how you go with your NBTV experimentation if you wish. I'm also keen to make another video on the subject one day.
i tried to record video to Cassettes beacuse i was bored one day and had a couple blank tapes. i plugged my dvd players yelllow composite jack into audio input of a tape recorder. then i took the audio output and plugged it into the yellow composite input on a black and white tv i have and there was no video i tried turning up the sound to see if that could work but it didnt it made black blurry lines appear on screen and thats about it.
It's good to experiment and try thing out.
Isn't there a way to archive better quality in this type II tape?
Like, moving the the frequency domain of the 32 kilo hertz and above to the other audio channel, frequency-multiplexing it with the low frequency sound (containing dialogues, music and audio effects).
That way, a computer program can still reproduce the contents of the cassette into higher quality video while the cassette itself can be backward combatible with standard NBTV receivers.
Yes, I agree that using both the stereo tracks like this would greatly increase the available bandwidth. Your backwards compatibility is very interesting, thanks for mentioning it.
@@JanusCycle You are welcome :)
If you are a computer programmer, you may try to make a program similar to NBSC scrape, using my suggested ideas. I believe it woths the try.
Lol I converted that same Max Headroom to NBTV!
I was excited to see if that software did a better job at displaying the videos I had previously recorded to audio cassette, but for some reason it was WAY worse, couldn't sync at all.
Is there a way to make NBSC videos from a video file with this software or is screen capture the only input method?
The only way to convert video with NBSC is screen capture. It's more flexible that way but must be done real time.
Okay that's terrifying
I wonder if it would work with minidisc....
Leave it to artists to take an interesting technical footnote made in the interest of reducing cost and act like it means anything
Sloot Digital Coding System had a better method using entirely digital "encoding" if you want to call it that
One of the best
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Wow! Thanks, man. May I please use a small part of this video in my project on RUclips?
Yes, I firmly support fair use in copyright. Beyond that minimum, please keep talking to me. I enjoy discussing interesting projects.
@@JanusCycle I assure you it would be a "fair use" case. I will only need a small portion. Thanks a ton already. Please let me know if you meant something differently (or I didn't get you properly) in your last comment. 🙂
Why I've never seen a horror movie that utilized this camera :(
i always wonder with that PXL-2000, would it have worked better if it just use more then one tape like 2 3 4 maybe 6? of them in a plastic housing uniting and you put the timer on the cam unit of how many mins you have to record or to play and it just use all the tapes at once to make a good video image?
Do you mean several tapes at the same time with the signal split across them? That's interesting. The PXL-2000 records the video information on the left audio channel of the cassette, and the audio on the right channel.
If the PXL-2000 had used both sides of the tape at the same time that would have really helped. You would still have one channel for audio. But now three for video, triple the amount of information for the video signal. Add a second cassette and you can get stereo audio and six times the bandwidth for much better video.
But this does make it much more complex and expensive for what was sold as a toy. It was just such an amazing toy for it's time that we still talk about it today.
@@JanusCycle becasue its a shame i don't have the money or know how to do a project like this to make it possible, would have been cool if that was done
@@JanusCycle also to be fair toys in the past have indeed push computers to become faster and better in odd ways, I mean just look at the Z80 alone powered 70% of toys of the 80s lot alone the 90s
Hello Janus! Going to implement this into a live set with my music project yelll_
I'll let you know how it goes!
Thanks for providing such a valuable resource
That sounds really interesting. Please do let me know how it goes. If you have any questions or need any help then please ask.
Making videos has taught me how difficult, and also how rewarding it is to be creative. Despite the constant struggle, it's worth every moment.
I really appreciate hearing about people's creative journey and it's an honour to think I may have helped provide a bit of inspiration along the way, thank you so much for sharing.
Thanks for watching and your comments. Looking forward to hearing/seeing your work.
@@JanusCycle what a nice thing to say thanks Janus!!
love it
I cant look at a cassette anymore without thinking about teddy ruxpin lol
Sorry, I can't find the software to encode the video.
Here is a copy drive.google.com/file/d/1cKpAB8NhAKB8MjSZLiFrufjYHCQy5Ts_/view
@@JanusCycle Thank you for this!
Classic 👌
I predict your channel is about to take off. RUclips is pushing you hard. I enjoy it.
what is the name of the software to change the output quality and record the tape?
It's called NBSCPlayer, make sure you check the NBTV forums for the latest info.
@@JanusCycle Already no longer available... broken download link on their site.
Damn. Looks the the download link is dead.
Do you mean this link? It can be temperamental, currently works for me though. authorityfile.co.uk/NBSC/
@@JanusCycle I see, thank you sir.
NBSC is 100 times better than Pixelvision. You know why? It's in Color!
I know it's fake Max Headroom, but it's still super creepy...
Do you know of an encoder software that can convert from a video file, I find the screen record method to be quite inconvenient, and the fact that it doesn't need to convert it in real time should mean that the conversion process should be quicker. even if it only supports one format, as long as it's monochrome video and one audio channel, that'd be fine.
I would love to find more software, especially an Android based encoder and decoder. The NBTV forums are really the only place I know that has anything.
@@JanusCycle I found an encoder called video2NBTV, that can encode a color video signal onto a single audio track, the color itself doesn't translate well to cassette, but monochrome video is just about possible. I think it may be an issue with the DC offset filter on the sound card.
also are you having issues with the NBSC player not passing through sound on the other channel.
@@AB-Prince Great looking software, thank you! Can't wait to try it.
I was not having any audio problems. I'm not sure what is happening with yours.
how about recording a low bitrate digital video codec? would that give a better image?
Tape can handle 2400 bits per second, possibly up to 9600 bits per second. At this speed video would not look much better. With lots of motion it will look much worse. Nice idea though.
AV1 can get us tantalizingly close www.draketo.de/software/ffmpeg-compression-vp9-av1.html
@@JanusCycle only if you do it "dumb" way as zx-spectrum and others did. think about phone line has waaaay worse quality than audio tape and still can give 33600 bps
@@yumiwatanabe440 That's what I thought, but tape has problems that phone lines don't, such as the wow/flutter problem he mentioned. I've heard that people achieved done similar speeds on tape, but it's not nearly as easy as I thought.
In megabytes how much total data could a cassette tape hold?
It's important to consider that this is analog video I'm recording on this tape. But to answer your question you could record up to 100 - 200 kilobytes on a 60 minute tape. I tried this once in a very old video called 'Microcassette data backup using acoustic coupling' :)
@@JanusCycle Wow that's incredibly smaller than I thought. Like a 2 minute song mp3 can be 2 mb. So if a tape can hold 60 minutes that's 30 songs. And mp3 is compressed so the tape should be holding much more than that in uncompressed data. Blows my mind. But thank you so much for the response!
@@linsqopiring6816 You make an interesting comparison with mp3. Because mp3 discards a huge amount of sounds that we don't normally hear, like up to 80% of the music frequencies are discarded by the mp3 format, yet they still need lots of digital bits to do that.
Whereas cassette tapes record all of those music frequencies on them, at least up to 16kHz or so. So you could say they hold a lot more information than mp3 holds.
But they are limited instead by analogue distortion, hiss and wow and flutter that humans don't pay much attention to when we are getting into the music from a cassette.
These extreme analogue limitations are what make it really hard for cassettes to hold digital information or you will get errors trying to fit too many digital bits on them.
I'm sure there is a lesson here somewhere. Such as how extremely precise hard drives have been engineered to hold all that data on magnetic spinning discs. I't's kinda miraculous really.
@@JanusCycleOh yes I see your point now. That was a good lesson indeed 😊
Very good for earth disaster movie...
Is the tape playing at normal speed?
Yes normal speed. But for best results you do need a high quality tape deck.
Hey, just a reminder that you should make another video!
Thank you. I really enjoy making videos. I've been working on developing a routine for producing on a more regular schedule. Stay Tuned!
Indeed the video is scary
Very very interesting video, thanks for your knowledge. Could be
possible to "recreate" the PXL-2000 with a normal camcorder plugged into
a walkman? Or do you need an encoder first to write video on the
cassette tape? Thank you!
You definitely need an encoder/decoder.
It would be possible to build a small circuit to convert the 6MHz camcorder composite video out signal to a 16kHz video signal for the Walkman. That's a bit beyond my knowledge though.
And if you speed up the tape, you may be able to record better images with colour. But you might have to modify the Walkman's internal circuity as well for that to work.
@@JanusCycle That's interesting for an experiment. Could be possible to do something in the main cable to reduce and adjust the signal bandwidth? Or maybe programming an encoder/decoder into a raspberry as an interface between camcorder and walkman? Thank you
@@detectivedreams Yes, a Raspberry Pi would be able to convert the signal. Here is an interesting thread discussing the ability of the RPi to process video.
www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=96871
@@JanusCycle Oh, thank you so much!!
I recognized TNG shows how much of a nerd I am
The best kind :)
How did you manage to install Windows 10 on the U810? I have a P1610, and i couldn't install Windows 10 on it.
I was only able to install the very first version of Windows 10 version 1507, build 10240. Later versions didn't want to install at all. I haven't tried using Windows Update to see if it can be updated that way. Because I only needed Windows 10 for this one project.
@@JanusCycle I only tried 20H2, it didn't work, then i installed XP SP3, i didn't found driver for the touchscreen. I installed Windows Vista Business (which is the OS it vas shipped with), it runs great, ind i have all the drivers.
That's a scary looking toy.
what music did you used?
hey where i can get the software to do this?
I used this software for both encoding and decoding. authorityfile.co.uk/NBSC/
@@JanusCycle k thanks
Perfect camera do film aliens and UFOs for sure!!!
use this camera with an cassette to 3,5mm adapter then you got the best quality maybe?