Do Wooden Bows Break Easily? | Lessons from Stress Testing Bows
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Stress testing bows all the way to failure. A small sacrifice for the Bow Gods.
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"Let's break some bows," he says cheerfully. You're an absolute treasure, sir.
@@BZB33 it’s fun! You should try it
@@DanSantanaBows I'm only halfway through my second bow, but I have eight staves drying. I'll be sure to break at least one of them ;)
If you ain’t breakin ya ain’t makin!
This was a painful video to watch😊 Thank you so much for the knowledge, content, and community.
Dan, very interesting vedio. Now I know my love for wood bows goes beyond the feel and now, amazing strength, as you have demonstrated. Thx yu.
Awesome vid for our newish board bow builders! Thanks!
@@knolltop314 Thanks Michael!
Наверное лучший человек на Ютубе про изготовление луков,жаль понимаю через слово,но в любом случае,на просторах ру и бел Ютуба такое не найти, спасибо за труд ❤
I've been using red oak with some success, I believe wood selection is the key.. I end up searching through dozens of boards to find one that will work without breaking..
It's very exciting and sad when one breaks..
Thank you for your great videos.
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@@dragonsage6909 That’s the key. I usually end up looking at about 20-50 boards before buying. Many times I just don’t find one
@DanSantanaBows ..funny you say that.. I went through my local hardware store's entire stock yesterday for over an hour.. I didn't find a good one.. lol
Really enjoying your videos!
Thank you!
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That sugar maple board bow was absolutely amazing. I can't believe that without any backing or belly material that this bow was able to bend so amazingly
I'll say what maybe Dan is avoiding saying...the only people online that recommend fiberglass backing a wood bow are NOT bowyers of any reputation, merely internet content creators looking for views. I have been in the wood bow making community for two and a half decades and count among my personal friends many of the people that wrote the books (including many of the authors of the Bowyers Bible vol 1-4) and are writing the newer books. Not a single one will recommend a fiberglass tape back. Dan's explanation is simple and still complete. Watch that section over and over until you understand what the plane of neutrality is and why it is important.
I also waste time being flustered by pop-bowyer content where I can barely agree with half of what’s being said. If I were better grounded it wouldn’t fluster me as much as it does. But I have reasons to defend it and that’s why I’m gentle about not picking a fight.
Your first year learning chemistry or physics you learn a lot that will be dismantled in your second year. That’s just how pedagogy works. Many engineers are inspired to become engineers by popular shows like mythbusters, and then later move on to technical and more accurate sources of information. It’s good for engineering that shows like that did the dirty work of seeking popularity and views.
Pop bowyer content is good for the craft even when there is stuff experts think are BS. They’re not taking views from other bowyers, but making the pie bigger for everyone. Most importantly, they lower the perceived barrier of entry to get into the craft. Those are white lies I don’t want to tell, but I’m glad others say them, and to have a bigger audience because of it. Critical thinkers will quickly move on to better information. I don’t mind sweeping up a few misconceptions once in a while. It’s fun talking about bows anyway
Good, accurate information Dan. 56" of draw without breaking is pretty insane.
I love data like this! It hurt to watch but nothing is more educational than any kind of failure. I'm working on a southeast alaska video on testing the few woods we have available because nobody has done it. I hope to finish it within a couple years and share all I learn through failure and success.
Awesome! What do you have up there?
I always recommend hickory for beginner bowyers. It's just so forgiving of mistakes.
Same here. I was very pleasantly surprised with sugar maple after these stress tests. When it breaks it feels more brittle than hickory, but with a good board it’s hard to make that happen
Last Year I destroyed a hickory longbow, clearly my fault. Arrows a little on the light side an massivly overdrawn, 33". It warned me by developing a lot of set and compressiin fracures. One sunny afternoon, the wood split in the upper limb 😢
The shorter remains got a new tiller and a new life as a crossbow.
@@DanSantanaBows I've never come across sugar maple. But I'll be sure to give it a go if I ever do.
This is art my friend. The hand writing, the illustrations and editing, and your dedication to teaching guys like me how to make and break these amazing timeless machines.
Hi Dan!! Was recurving a hickory bow today, and I thought of you! Thanks for all the good info!
I could never make this video lol. Thanks for the information
That board bow was nuts! Good stuff!
Thanks Correy. That was for the folks who still say you shouldn’t use kiln dried wood
Dan Thanks once again 🙏🏻 your tutorial are inspirational, I learn and enjoy, also the Music from your Cousin is awesome. Abrazos y Bendiciones para Vos 👍💝🙏🏻
great info thank you
What an excellent video! Nay, a film.
This is such a good video. You have a very good explanation
Man, that's brave. Torturing your own works of art to death like that.
I try to do it every year. Always learn something from it
I honestly only broke 1 bow ever. My first bow , made out of pine that was hacked with a machette. I think many who start making bows copy paste final dimensions of other more aggressive bows of probably superior wood and try to imitate them. I generally leave the stave very oversized and pull it to the specific draw weight on a long string right away. If I'm seeing an inch of movement then tillering has officially begun. Don't get me wrong , I'm not mad to use a scraper to get 1 inch at a time at that point but I pretty much want only 1-2 inches of movement in each rasping session. I've heard that having a bow on the tiller as little times as possible is a good thing , but I never had a bow break doing this slow method. Lenghts can be shortened at the end , limbs slimmed down , tips tapered a bit more, slow and steady :)
Nice vid
Excellent description of the neutral position in the bow based on the backing or no backing. I never thought about it that way. Some great food for thought in designing the bow. I have some bamboo that a fellow boyer gave me which he was encouraging me to try as backing... now I am unsure if I want to even try it. Is Bamboo backing as detrimental to moving the neutral line to the back as fiberglass is?
Great content as always Dan! What kind of draw weights were those bows you broke? I recently broke a cherry bow and I think the draw weight was just too high for the piece of wood, kiln dried lumber bow.
@@danielbuhler2067 About 45# on that maple board bow. Some were higher some lower.
If the bow broke during tillering it sounds like it could have been violated wood. Some boards are made from logs that have been sitting around and had time to rot, so that could have been a factor too
@@DanSantanaBows completely agree. With kiln dried, there is no way in know what its history is really. I'm curious now to see what would happen to some of my old bows.
Now we need one on hinges
To be honest I hate backing and glue on a bow period it makes the bow a different from a self bow but that’s just me I guess
@@Silentbet1of I feel the same. Last time I backed a bow was the board bow tutorial. Before that it had been years
If I'm using white wood. Do you think that adding a bamboo back and belly would make a stronger bow? Would it support the tension and compression? Also I'm not in a region where wood is cheap and I have no forest anywhere near me to have wood selection. I was lucky to get a giant bamboo pole but i can't get any other wood beside pine here and other woods are very expensive. So I might buy a white oak board. However the problem is that we don't have the luxury of a broad selection. I can't get good straight grained planks or boards. So could I just use the bamboo to back a board if it does not have straight grain and then use bamboo on the belly too to support against the compression of the belly of the white oak?
Was wondering if Maple boards can be 80 inches? For a Maple flat warbow or would a Stave be better?
What about bamboo & sinew backing?
@@DironMc I don’t mention those here because for the most part they’re not backings you can add to a self bow without changing the design (except for a very light sinew coat.) You would usually use bamboo or sinew to assemble a bow blank for a very different design. i mention soft backing only here because you can slap them on at any point.
See my video the back of the bow 6 ways for comments about other backings
How about breaking by dry shooting taking the necessary precautions as to personal protective gear
@@thomasnuyts9725 Self bows are pretty resilient to dry firing. I have yet to break one this way. I have a few bows I’ve dry fired many many times
@@DanSantanaBows no damage at all? By the way, great guitar music.
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Sir i have a question that you might be able to answer, im planing to make an english longbow with a draw weight of #80+ and the only good wood i have access to is european beech, do u think that would be possible? its not a board its a stave!
@@jetonbehluli01 Beech is good bow wood. Just keep the belly flatter than a yew longbow
@@DanSantanaBows thank you so much sir, also can you advice me more on it i would love to listen and learn please!
Treat it like other whitewoods. I would use a design similar to my maple longbow tutorial
Also, for my desired weight draw(80+) do u think i should make the bow a bit longer or what else could u advice me sir?
Not if Dan makes them! ❤
I still break stuff, especially if I’m trying something new. Last time was a yew crossbow prod
@@DanSantanaBows I'm going through it right now with tri-laminate bows 😂. This is the first time I've played around with tri-lam bows. It started out fun, and it is....but nailing the recipe for a new (to me) combo can be frustrating. Makes me want to go back to self bows or backed bows. But new things make us grow 😁.