How Much Should A Good Mastering Chain Cost?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video I discuss how much you should aim to spend on building your mastering chain. This question is somewhat subjective and budget does come into play. On a budget of £10k to £20k this is what I would select.
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Most people forget about Acoustics and Room treatments 😂 I’m in that situation now 😂! I’m working on it.
The room is the most important thing. You could have the best gear in a terrible room and you have terrible gear.
The old adage - "It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it" comes to mind. My humble non "influencer" opinion is that one can definitely get away with (well chosen) high quality plug ins alone, as long as you know what you are doing. Definitely don't need to spend 15k on outboard. Just my 2 cents as someone that got the hardware bug and is coming to realise that (personally) it's a bit of a folly. I have racks of neve,ssl, IGS, TK, Wes, SPL, etc.... Good D/A, speakers, room and knowledge/experience will do it. But gear addiction is real.
100% a bad ear on expensive gear equal a bad master. However as someone with a good ear, expensive gear, a perfect room, good conversion and every plugin available. I know deep down as much as I want it to be true to save myself time and money. When it comes to mastering I can achieve a better result with hardware in a shorter amount of time every time. Even if plugins got to the point where they were 100% identical, to achieve a master using plugins takes far more time than getting hands on with hardware. One day soon plugins will get there. For me achieving my goal faster is worth the investment into analogue equipment. For me time is money. And if can perform 10 masters in a day compared to 5 masters in a day. It's worth it. For the hobbyist 100% stay in the box.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Yeah I do agree with you, It is faster with hardware. yes, GOOD hardware hehe. I'm mainly producing though, recall is my crutch.
This is great advice and l prefer this realistically than the " get the best you can afford" advice which is not helpful. For mixing now what if any are 3 hardware you'd recommend once your monitoring, room is right and youa also have a trinnov?
For mixing you can use a lot more affordable units. I'd personally look at channel strips and get lots of them. I'm going to go for mcdsp. Recall is a big thing when mixing. So a bettermaker eq and compressor would be a great option.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Ok. I would like some eventual feedback on the mcdsp vs the typical plugin.
@migibeats104 the way I saw this when comparing plugins to mcdsp is plugins didn't have that mojo. The mcdsp had a weight and umpf to them you weren't getting with a plugin.
Hi Paul. Love all the content you do, it has helped me a lot! What do you think about the Blackbox vs MBT? (in terms of everything, saturation, versatility etc).
I'm a good person to ask as I have both in the same chain. The blackbox is better for saturation but the MBT brings a lot more to the table. The super silk is really good. The two boxes aren't alike really. If you got either you would love the sound you get.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Thanks for the reply!
´If you are on a budget with just £15 000' Unfortunately most of us don't have this budget... but agree with the advice of saturation/ EQ/Compression
Of course, this is still a big budget. If you go in with let's say a 5k budget you will end up replacing everything further down the line.
The thing is any form of proper setup without any analogue processing will be about 15k... if you think about your acoustics taking a lot of that even if you go mid range with the speaker cost
@TheSakuraGumiLTD a decent room will cost you treble that.
The side chain version of the blackbox HG-2 plugin seems nice for ITB saturation.
@@RyanHarris77 the HG2 plugin is really good
Then spend another 15 grand on a set of speakers to actually here the difference of the 15 grand you just spent and employ a 20 year old with perfect hearing getting expensive now😎👍
Would you choos the Buzz Audio REQ-2.2 ME Mastering Equalizer over the WesAudio ngTubeEq? Are either a good choice?
Both are great choices. I'd choose the Wes Audio over the Buzz for its ability to do everything. Plus digital recall, which is awesome. But the Buzz is a more unique EQ and has a better sweeter sound to it.
I agree 🤩
I don’t wanna to sell and buy a new gear to upgrade again and again
I have never try hardware yet
But i would like to buy some hardware if they can save my time to get better sounds quality
Before I got some eq,compressors and limiter … should I get a converters like a Crane Song HEDD?
How about Wesaudio ? Are they high end gear?
So My list will be like this ?
Crane Song HEDD
Bettermaker limiter
Wesaudio eq
Wesaudio compressor
Great question I have a Maselec Mla 2 comp which I kinda dislike for hip hop it has no hpf 2 Pultecs for Mastering a Maselec Mea 2 a Manley Vari Mu M/S what would be your next move for some boom bap/Hiphop the Hum audio laal and some 500 series and keep the Maselec compressor or the Hum Audio Laal and Elysia Alpha Compressor Im wanting to mix and master my own music which people said i shouldnt also I just got the Ams Neve Genesys Black which on the 8Tbuss i was thinking 500 series I make beats my own songs and wish to do others here in the near future
Would love it if you would comment on the analog section of my mastering chain. I’m a hobbiest and I come out of the box into a pair of neve 542s -> Maag eq4m -> SH dual vandergraph-> SPL big.
That's a nice chain. Very similar to what I used to have about 10 years ago and it worked great. The dual vandergraph is a brilliant compressor. One of the best for vocals.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio id be really intereted in seeing a good review of the vandergraph. i got a great deal on it so i couldnt pass up the opportunity to put a shadow hills in my rack. but i dont understand why there are virtually no good reviews of it. i know it might be a little long in the tooth at this point but i think it sounds great and while not cheap is a great choice for hobbiests who dont have the time to invest to learn really complicated units.
What about this chain : Wess rhea(vari mu) elysia karacter (saturator) and ssl ultraViolet (EQ) all 500 format?🔔
It's a nice chain. You could certainly use it for mastering or mix bus processing.
Hey Paul, I'm looking to start coming out of the box as a producer / mixing engineer. My first buy was going to be the SSL fusion, however you sold me on the Neve MBT, am looking to start building a chain for really good mixes that I can then pass on for mastering, is there anything else with a budget of around 10k to start you would reccomend. The SSL BUS+ and MBT our my first two that i have in mind. Thanks Paul its Phil Cardiobeats btw.
Hi Phil. The MBT is a great choice. What you want to think about is getting gear that helps finalise your mix ready for mastering. The MBT will give you a little bit of everything. Width, colour, EQ and subtle bus compression. This is a great place to start. The bus plus is also a good option for bus compression. The only other thing that could be good to add with those two is a nice 4 band EQ. Not a crazy expensive EQ but more around 1 to 3k mark. A maag eq4m would be a good option. Or even getting into 500 series and adding a few different units. The Elysia xfilter neo is a good option in 19" rack format.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio awesome thanks for your detailed reply Paul. Could make a good future video also I bet am not the only producer coming out of the box..
@@Protraderforse will add it to the list to do
I’m Rory but what is the name of the equipment you mentioned after the saturation?
@@IglooBeats-wh1wr Buzz REQ 2.2
Paul, That is a lot to digest. Lets say I only have a 6k budget? What would you do? Sorry to ask further but 10k-20k is hard to chew off.
Of course. If you had 6k i'd go down the route of building a Bettermaker chain. EQ compressor and limiter. You have really good saturation in the limiter. You also have recall with all 3 units. And these units will stay with you even if you ended up spending 100k on a master chain later in life.
Hey Paul I know a lot of people advise against it but due to my living conditions I’ve started mixing in Neumann NDH 30’s. I can’t really afford to move out of my apartment and my HS8s don’t get the room they deserve. Is it even worth it for me to start buying hardware? I’d like to start mastering outside my daw but would it even be worth it to spend the money with my situation?
I finished the audio engineering program at the LA film school and have been mixing and mastering my own stuff for a good 5 years now so I have a decent grasp on what I’m doing. Just can’t afford buying a house in California rn.
Stay in the box mate. You will gain that extra 5 or 10% with analogue equipment. Your own personal finances are much more important than outboard gear. As nice as it would be to have analogue gear. You are better off not stretching yourself financially.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio thank you 🙏🏼 you’re right I appreciate the quick response too
Have to have any experience with the Shadow Hills compressor?
If so, how would you compare it to the SPL Iron or even the Alpha Compressor?
We used to have the mastering compressor but swapped it for the Elysia Alpha which was much better in my opinion. We now have the rare Shadow Hills optograph compressor which is awesome.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio optograph being used for mixing or you using two of them?
I was kind of think the Alpha would be the best first mastering compressor just because of everything it can do.
Going with the Buzz for the EQ, not too much question about that.
Trying to look into see if it's possible to get the LISA eq... but that would not be a first eq.
@TheSakuraGumiLTD not the 500 series version. The Optograph stereo compressor. It's the original version. Google it you'll see a picture. Think there was only 20-30 ever made. Quite rare to see a working one these days.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Cool, found it! One going on reverb for £3600 odd.
What does this bring to the table?
The Alpha I'm pretty sure on going with... was thinking about the unfair child but need something that will be more universal.
I'm very tempted by this and the Alpha and be a bit spoiled... the ad on reverb pretty much tells me everything 😍
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