As a mikanko player, mans is 100% correct. Screw "break my board" games. It is literally lava golem into lethal, and as an irl player, I can happily say that it even works in tournaments. You have to side like a God, but it works.
@@walkingchopsticks6731 I know how to pilot higher tier decks. But I don't want to play Meta. I want to play decks that aren't Cringe. Even when I give up on playing fun deck's I'll usually just swap over to branded. Currently? I was having fun running around with pure Gate Guardian.
I've learned that the YGO community is basically just Gollum. "we loves the precious OTK waifus. Loves them!" "No, no! We hates them! Hates the OTK Waifus!"
I personally always loved kamikaze reverse battle damage strategies but Mikanko is too snowbally. You have versions that can be teched in a multilayer extra deck because they don't need it as their ritual monster is toolbox.dek. Then you have the I will go second all day and kaiju/golem my problems away variant. They both remind me of a simpler time playing Gusto. But holy shyt hu-li has to be the most ass backwards card to exist. It allows for stupid interaction with cards outside of the archetype just because you have a random blanket "can't touch this", effect on top of already being both immune to battle and card destruction effects when equipped with any mikanko spell. Like it unironically shuts off 3 forms of removal/interaction by it existing FOR THE ENTIRE ARCHETYPE. If it was just her it be fine because Mikanko only needs one big enough attack to go through to kill.
What annoys me is that Fenrir and Unicorn's special summon effect is the most free of free yet we cannot get a Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, or Red-Eyes retrain without a million restrictions. Like why? How about a Dark Magician retrain that lets you add DM and normal summon without tribute in the same turn? Why do I need both Alternative and the Vanilla in the hand at the same time? And how is Red-Eyes both the worst burn deck and the worst equip card deck at the same time?
Don't forget Diabellstar herself. Can't believe she is level 7, and can special summon herself during opponent's turn like *HUH* And a special summon that doesn't start a chain. 2024 meta indeed!
Red-eyes constantly gets shit on for being the worst yet it is literally the best threat in terms of design. If they support burn too much or too strongly it could easily become an ftk meta deck. For example if soul was not once per duel you could easily do 3500 damage twice with it before your opponent breaths
The thing with Traps is that Yes, they're very slow by comparison to Spells...but they typically have much, much stronger/annoying effects. So giving the player the ability to use them quicker, turn 1 even, can cause Traps to be busted. Essentially, they had to give Traps the properties of Spells to make them good.
My relationship with Mikanko is one of love and hate: I love playing with them but damn I hate playing against them (especially the mirror, that sh*ts atrocious).
@@NewtBannner it's basically just 2 people staring at each other to see who makes the first move, and whoever plays a card first or Summons a monster loses..
@@NewtBannnerIf you’re playing blind 2nd you can actually end the mirror in a draw by using Double-Edged Sword. But typically you’re trying to either kaiju/lava golem their monsters and attack for game or get your opponent to use a kaiju on you and then send it to their graveyard so that you can summon it to their field using fire dance.
Yubel cards can be targeted and they don't play a million going second cards (which tend to be really uninteractive), which are my biggest problems with mikanko (as a former mikanko lover)
To be fair, I never understood why ariseheart was hated so much. I guess it’s just “draw the out” but at least you can play ANY removal card and beat Arise heart. Like literally smashing ground would take it out. Then I remember that Darklaw exists, and remember oh right, it’s completely stupid to have macro cosmos on legs
i guess arise-heart was worse then darklaw since it had more ATK,quick effect removal and ''infinite'' xyz materials,you could also slap the infinitrack link-1 on it for protection.
There's like multiple angles to this too, like, you're realistically not playing fucking Smashing Ground to out Snake-Eyes' combo, and even if it's just "draw Imperm" it's like, games being boiled down into "which player drew the out" and punting the other into the sun is abject misery Like if Arise-Heart was just Zeus but it banishes everything face-down instead and I still get a GY, I would be infinitely more okay with it
@@thewave-qz9lt I mean, most of the time it would not have quick effect removal until you used multiple cards. The Link 1 certainly is a problem though. I never claimed darklaw was better, just that it’s a stupid design regardless of how easy it is to potentially out.
mikanko has to be in my top 5 least favorite deck to play against. It just feels impossible to out in most strategies and if i have the audacity to summon a monster with more then 2000 attack i insta lose. The guy who loves mikanko said it best, he doesnt have to pay attention or care what his opponent does. he just gives you a kaiju or a golem and crashes with no real way to stop it
Underworld goddess is one of the best outs to hu-li lock and it can be used in many decks. Assuming they don't have the otk and you get to play another turn of course.
Mikanko has a lot more interaction in order to stop the OTK from happening IMO. Other methods like Gossip Shadow, Numeron, or FTK burn are restricted to hand traps in your opening hand to stop, but Mikanko requires understanding how to dismantle the board in turn 2 to get the OTK. And if you don’t, you need to figure out how to set up for follow on. If anything, Mikanko is more efficient than Liebe OTK, and I’m a fan of both.
there are two types of people. the people who don't want tenpai in the game, and the people who gaslight themselves into thinking they want tenpai in the game 10:03 Book of Eclipse or Daruma Cannon I guess?
"Now I'm happy that this game has a rigged coin toss that I lose 75% of the time" Which is more likely? That Master Duel actually has a built-in mechanism that was deliberately coded to make some players more likely to win the coin toss than others? Or that you simply got unlucky?
"Somebody explain why the thread praising Mikanko is controversial but then Mikanko being complained about is also controversial" That's literally what controversy is.
I don't understand the discourse around Mikanko. People (or just one random person) have been asking for an archetype to take advantage of equip cards, y'know that one group of spell cards with a large portion of them being useless.
@@kingknightisbestknight7398 I didn't bring them cause I do have bias towards them.. I failed to mention Infernoble mostly because Infernobles didn't get as broken or good as quickly as Mikanko did.
Tenpai in Master Duel... it'll be VERY interesting to see how that will play out. I want to use Tenpai as an engine in dragons but the best of 1 format might make Master Duel heavily hit the deck. 😑
Both Unicorn and Fenrir should be banned, free special summons and board breaker for Fenrir. But Unicorn is 2 special summon and a banish face down of an extra deck monster if the opponent hand traps. Unicorn is almost a +3
As a Mikanko lover, I have no idea why ju-li protects from targeting, but it’s also incredibly easy to stop her from hitting the field in the first place. Plus, say what you want, I’m taking untargetable over unaffected any day
To be honest you got it backwards... Which is telling of social media's influence. It should be "Social media gives us the worst of society and sometimes the best". Anyone who disagrees needs to stop being delusional. Anyone with half a brain and more than two brain cells can see social media and media in general push stories. And what gets attention the best? Negativity, morally wrong acts and people.
there exists a xyz? that lets you ignore towers, i only pulled off the combo once or twice in my 91 hours of playtime. but if theres zero interuptions you can beat anyone *outside of maybe rikka or whoever uses life gain although my way is low odd's since i dont really know deck building or massive combos, so i cant play most decks
Ive seen so many comments where people are saying they use unusual tech and the only responses they get are. This card is bad. You sbould use something else. Despite you saying it works, it never works.
Dumb take: overtuned generic boss/Extra Deck monsters should be, rather than entirely forbidden, complex banned out of non-archetypal decks (which is easier said than done, I know). Or at least, erratad into being less generic Imagine if Baronne needed Fleur Synchron, or if you couldn't play Verte Anaconda in non Predaplant-heavy decks
As another comment said, it would have to force konami to print even usable boss monsters for even past archetypes, kinda like Endymion with him and Jackal king being the main boss monsters Generic boss monsters give a fighting chance to kinda bad archetypes But meta decks being able to use them like nothing too feels like someone taking a disabled parking spot
okay but fuck the logical argument for borrel/baronne I want to play rocks leave me alone I don't want my end board being apo dragite and red dragon archfiend
the mikanko duality is easy you're not allowed to complain about mikanko, because it isn't a tiered strat you're also not allowed to like mikanko, because it's a cringe blind second otk strat that requires zero "skill" /r/masterduel brainrot at its finest
Mikanko is genuinely one of the worst archetypes in the game. I'm not saying its ineffective but its a bad strategy to have in a game that is focused on interacting with your opponent based on their unique playstyle. Mikanko just doesn't care and does the same thing every game with zero variation.
Mikanko can be very enjoyable. I've had plenty of games playing it where I've had to get creative with their interactive pieces to be successful. Not to mention they are really easy to counter in tcg. Not as easy in master duel but still
I know that's not how we evaluate cards but Dargoon is waaay better than DPE when on the board. DPE's garnets are way better and thus he is more payable but people talk as if DPE is the better card in a vacuum
"why are the post about liking Mikanko and the post complaining about Mikanko both getting downvoted. how are they both controversial" it's almost like Mikanko has people feeling strongly about both opposing viewpoints. or as some would call that, "controversial"
why EEV AND BARRIER are is simple they are crap now they are only playable in decks that can search them unless you want to be toxic again and use thrust to get them but then you must ask yourself isn't thrust issue. currently they are like a handtrap you must draw it to use it but unlike handtrap you arent playing half a deck of them. yes it does because if it didn't why is ash legal it's been good in nearly every format and it's only point is to slow the opponent
"This player has never heard of a side deck" Is reading comments on the master duel reddit where master duel is a best of 1 format. 🧠 I think the real problem is the Bo3 format in the TCG needs to be removed. Align the TCG with master duel and the OCG.
Just put fenrir to one, ban Arise heart and put all others things to normal 😂😂😂 Also arise heart is just stupid It's a 3k atk and def, can be summon like zoodiac without restrictions, macro cosmos at home, zeus on steroid and just put the infinitrack link 1 moster to make it cannot be destroy by card effects
The fact that there are 3 stages to get rid completely of a card (aka banish face down) shows how the pace of the game has been mutilated, while having cards that can access that last stage of removal for free while activating effects that further make you unable to access anything, be it your deck or zones. Kashtira, whether you can counter it or not, is such a messed up archetype that is the antithesis of bad game design.
Why the fuck does every god damn video of mbt and farfa start with a monologue as we are about to watch psycological murder documentary and analysis of a crime state. Just start say "here are some dogshit opinions" and start rolling the clips.
Kashtira is a floodgate deck, tear sets up interactions and leads to nice high roll situations. If tear wasn’t literally the best deck ever it would be more than just “waifu”
Well, that's because it's a discussion in the master duel subreddit. So their argument is valid. MD and TCG have different banlists because the format is different.
Mikanko is for peanut butter brain players. We get it, 2400atk vs 2600atk is too much math for you! You'd rather just use your pseudo crusadia otk, I love that we skipped over double edged sword like it shouldn't be banned. (I'd be annoyed but okay with mikanko IF it didnt have an OTK attached to it)
Womp womp, skill issue. Blind 2nd isn’t even the strongest variant of Mikanko. The going 1st variants are way more fun but you aren’t high enough rank to see the decks lol.
@@CSFriogoing first variants, even pure, are pure comedy. Rivalry, snatch steal, herald, ni-ni, they have some of the funniest interruptions in the game.
@@CSFrio ugh, sure. I Dont reach diamond/master consistently. I never said blind 2nd, i said Mikanko on a fundamental level isnt fun or interesting to play against, nor are the plays innovative or dynamic. But thats on par for Mikanko enthusiasts with the truly super human brain power required to respond with "skill issue".
That’s the best part lol I fucking hate Lab even with the art im pissed off to all hell that this bullshit exists in MD. But honestly Lab has great card Arts
The "this card isnt good right now" is by far one of the worst arguments you can have. I still remember people saying halq is totally fine beacuse in x format not many decks run it, just for a few months later it to be banned because it summoned t.g. wonder magician that popped scythe, or for formula into calamity.
as an ardent halq defender back then, even I knew that it'd have to go eventually, I just also enjoyed using it and thought it was fine up until the ban (but an early ban is generally better than it ruining even more formats)
For a lot of these, I feel like it's less what they said and more how they said it. Like 'I'm having fun playing Mikanko' is a totally reasonable thing to say. 'I'm having fun because I don't have to pay attention to what my opponent's deck does' makes you seem like an asshole. And a lot of the threads about much OP hates something really come across more like 'I just lost to this deck three times in a row and am salty' than anything well-reasoned.
But my opponent always does some bullshit plays and then expect me to go through with all of it. F that. That mikanko player is right, and especially the way it was said. Playing mikanko is GREAT BECAUSE 99% of the time, you don't care about what your opponent does, and burn is like that too. Also F the rigged coin flip, i'm on a 25 lose streak with the turn coin flip.
@@jeanriviere2599 Y'know. This is second time I've made a comment on a Farfa video along the lines of 'I could get behind what that person says if they were better at communicating', and then the person themselves replies to me, pretending to be someone else, and then proves me wrong by doubling down on how they were communicating before. It's a two player game, friend. If you don't want to care about your opponent, Solo mode is right over there.
@@Gilphon i don't even use reddit, i'm a RUclips only guy. But hell, props to that redditor that speaked the TRUTH. I would have spoken the same way if i used reddit, and you can say whatever you want, Yu-Gi-Oh! has become so much of a coin flip game that, if i lose the coin flip, my opponent will just set some bullshit board that will try its utmost best to prevent me to play the game, and if not, will just pull the most unfair plays to break through whatever is in front of him and it will end in banlist discussion because "LOL its unfair because [...]". And in the rare case i win the coin flip, the opponent will either scoop or bitch on the internet about how the game sucks, or both and more. And when you want to play something different it's "LOL pet deck" or "go play a real deck", "the deck is dog water", etc. So if i want to play something that ignores what my opponent does because it's the same long boring stupid shit every time, then i have the right to. Do you know how to not lose at a game ? By not playing. If i can play a deck that allows to do Yu-Gi-Oh! duels without playing "Yu-Gi-Oh!", then GOOD. It makes losing not frustrating and winning EVEN MORE satisfying.
As a mikanko player, he is not wrong. I play other decks when I want to pay attention to someone's every move. I rock mikanko when I want to lava golem into an arabesque for hu-li, hidden arsenal into double edged sword, re-lava golem your last two monsters, equip golem with sword, and have hu-li, swing for game. 1 minite play, and absolutely lethal. None of that snake-eyes bs.
"I love snake eyes bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" aww how sweet "I love mikanko bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" HUMAN RESOURCES!? 😂😂🤣💀
100% correct on the first one. The Kashtira monsters are utterly unpleasant and unfun to play against, but his way of expressing it is far too clouded with rage. He should have sat down for a bit first, then explained why they both need to sit on the ban-list permanently.
I remember someone talking about whether or not a 0-cost card draw is inherently broken in TCGs and mentioning offhand that Yu-Gi-Oh has Upstart at 3 but most decks don't use it, and a thought I had was that even if you just want a card to cycle, why would you use 3 slots in your deck for Upstart when there is a card that is a cycle AND Pankratops simultaneously? "If you ban Borreload and Baronne my deck will have no boss monster," is only actually true if the deck you're referring to is specifically Fleur, and would say that Chevalier and Sociere don't count because they were printed prior to Fleur being an actual deck and also that Sauge doesn't count because she doesn't have an on-field effect. You could say that your deck's boss monster isn't as good as Baronne but if you're playing, like, Superheavy Samurai and saying, "Nooo, you took my ONLY boss monsters, what am I gonna do now?" while ignoring the deck has straight-up 9 different in-archetype Synchros.
It turns out if every card is better than a +0, or are just necessary garnet/other combo piece, it's hard to fit cards like Upstart into your deck while keeping the deck size down
Baronne at least shouldn’t be banned, not looking at it from SHS perspective but a lot of other weaker decks. Farfa mention this being good in the long run and that we aren’t looking at the “Big Picture”, But we are, the big picture of this is that banning generic negates means we have to put our trust in Konami to print strong equal support for ALL deck archetypes in the long run(which lets be real is not happening), also due to how the game is naturally players will always be looking to find ways to reduce opponen’s interaction (see new Snake-Eyes list than ran Dis Pater & Omega to rip 2 from hand) things will NOT CHANGE. the game has to be either ENTIRELY rid of negate effects or strong negate boss monsters for ALL decks to reach an ideal conclusion (which again not trusting Konami on this)
@@SStrikeFury That last point you bring up is exactly why hitting boss monsters is dumb. The engine is what allows you to do broken stuff so it doesn't matter what bosses you ban. The engine will eventually do something stupid. Insects are another good example of an engine that's just waiting for something good they can use.
@@SStrikeFuryMy 60 card dumpster fire zefra-endymion-pendulum magician-invoked are basically each engines doing it's own stuff, pend mag got me savage, Invoked got me mechaba, Endymion was getting the jackal king and/or endymion on field and zefra was bodies to end up linking into apollousa I really like those decks that are a lot of different stuff that kinda boost each other On the same vein I had a 60 card dragon link back when adventure engine just dropped on master duel Couldn't play after that bc ps4 died, now a I have a complete adventure engine doing nothing bc I just had it to get barone with halqifibrax and rose dragon tuners, then dragon link went crazy and now I cant really play it after the hits and the current meta
Most recent decks apparently have that theme of doing everything, first kash having no restrictions whatsoever, and now snake eyes that every card does everything, idk if thats the new way to have a "strongest deck in the format" title but man just feels bad.
9:33 Just play level 8 monsters and make Tachyon. When I run into them I'm constantly glad I'm playing a Galaxy/Photon deck and still run Tachyon as a backup.
I don't hate mikanko for what it does but the cards are still badly designed because the effects are distributed across multiple cards and you have to look for a short sentence that is somewhere on 3 cards which have hundreds of words each if you want to know what makes them untargetable for example. Its ok card design but the worst text structure of all time.
" I don't care, have this kaiju"
Is such a powerful line. I love it.
As a mikanko player, mans is 100% correct. Screw "break my board" games. It is literally lava golem into lethal, and as an irl player, I can happily say that it even works in tournaments. You have to side like a God, but it works.
"I enjoy playing mikanko"
Reddit: "STOP HAVING FUN!"
"I enjoy playing *any relevant deck* "
Group of YGO players: "STOP HAVING FUN!"
If playing Mikanko is how you have fun, then I hope every match you play for the rest of your Master Duel career, is against Timelord burn.
@@raneerickson3398 kaiju'ing big monster and reverse otking the opponent will never be not fun for me.
“I hate playing against Mikanko”
Reddit: “get good scrub”
@@walkingchopsticks6731 I know how to pilot higher tier decks. But I don't want to play Meta. I want to play decks that aren't Cringe. Even when I give up on playing fun deck's I'll usually just swap over to branded.
Currently? I was having fun running around with pure Gate Guardian.
S:P little knight will be SR in master duel *copium*
Right?
@@donovanlocust1106 yes
@gericjohnm.olivar9563 The card is expensive as hell irl, so it's gonna be UR
😂😂😂
It'll be an R
I've learned that the YGO community is basically just Gollum.
"we loves the precious OTK waifus. Loves them!"
"No, no! We hates them! Hates the OTK Waifus!"
I personally always loved kamikaze reverse battle damage strategies but Mikanko is too snowbally. You have versions that can be teched in a multilayer extra deck because they don't need it as their ritual monster is toolbox.dek. Then you have the I will go second all day and kaiju/golem my problems away variant. They both remind me of a simpler time playing Gusto. But holy shyt hu-li has to be the most ass backwards card to exist. It allows for stupid interaction with cards outside of the archetype just because you have a random blanket "can't touch this", effect on top of already being both immune to battle and card destruction effects when equipped with any mikanko spell. Like it unironically shuts off 3 forms of removal/interaction by it existing FOR THE ENTIRE ARCHETYPE. If it was just her it be fine because Mikanko only needs one big enough attack to go through to kill.
What annoys me is that Fenrir and Unicorn's special summon effect is the most free of free yet we cannot get a Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, or Red-Eyes retrain without a million restrictions. Like why? How about a Dark Magician retrain that lets you add DM and normal summon without tribute in the same turn? Why do I need both Alternative and the Vanilla in the hand at the same time? And how is Red-Eyes both the worst burn deck and the worst equip card deck at the same time?
Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician need their own soul crossing that is a quick-play and summons from GY or Deck
Don't forget Diabellstar herself.
Can't believe she is level 7, and can special summon herself during opponent's turn like *HUH*
And a special summon that doesn't start a chain. 2024 meta indeed!
Maybe they need gemini version of DM or BEWD that could special summon itself like kashtira but treated as its normal monster counterpart on field
They should make the DM and Blue Eyes skills from Duel Links legal in Master Duel. The vanillas should be normal-summonable in the modern era imo
Red-eyes constantly gets shit on for being the worst yet it is literally the best threat in terms of design. If they support burn too much or too strongly it could easily become an ftk meta deck. For example if soul was not once per duel you could easily do 3500 damage twice with it before your opponent breaths
The thing with Traps is that Yes, they're very slow by comparison to Spells...but they typically have much, much stronger/annoying effects. So giving the player the ability to use them quicker, turn 1 even, can cause Traps to be busted. Essentially, they had to give Traps the properties of Spells to make them good.
My relationship with Mikanko is one of love and hate: I love playing with them but damn I hate playing against them (especially the mirror, that sh*ts atrocious).
How does the mirror play out? I mean it, i have never seen it
@@NewtBannner it's basically just 2 people staring at each other to see who makes the first move, and whoever plays a card first or Summons a monster loses..
@@nashcifer5666 😂😂 how does the side decking process work? Board breakers I’m guessing?
Edit: I mean MORE board breakers
@@NewtBannnerIf you’re playing blind 2nd you can actually end the mirror in a draw by using Double-Edged Sword. But typically you’re trying to either kaiju/lava golem their monsters and attack for game or get your opponent to use a kaiju on you and then send it to their graveyard so that you can summon it to their field using fire dance.
@@NewtBannner *just play floodgates*, side in Kaiser Colosseum and branded loss, and now your opponent cannot attack or Summon more than 1 monster.
if people are mad at mikanko just wait till yubel comes out and it will be even worse.
Yeah , I can't wait
Is the new Yubel card a towers with snatch steal, and compulsory?
Yubel cards can be targeted and they don't play a million going second cards (which tend to be really uninteractive), which are my biggest problems with mikanko (as a former mikanko lover)
@@tcoren1 yeah , it's just "Oh , you wanted to play the game? Fuck you."
Sorry, activated Power Filter. :)
People literally give up hope when we lose the dice roll unless they're opponent is just a straight scrub....
To be fair, I never understood why ariseheart was hated so much. I guess it’s just “draw the out” but at least you can play ANY removal card and beat Arise heart.
Like literally smashing ground would take it out.
Then I remember that Darklaw exists, and remember oh right, it’s completely stupid to have macro cosmos on legs
i guess arise-heart was worse then darklaw since it had more ATK,quick effect removal and ''infinite'' xyz materials,you could also slap the infinitrack link-1 on it for protection.
@@thewave-qz9ltarise heart’s effect is non-once per turn
Just ban fenrir and ariseheart problem might be solved even without touching it
There's like multiple angles to this too, like, you're realistically not playing fucking Smashing Ground to out Snake-Eyes' combo, and even if it's just "draw Imperm" it's like, games being boiled down into "which player drew the out" and punting the other into the sun is abject misery
Like if Arise-Heart was just Zeus but it banishes everything face-down instead and I still get a GY, I would be infinitely more okay with it
@@thewave-qz9lt I mean, most of the time it would not have quick effect removal until you used multiple cards. The Link 1 certainly is a problem though. I never claimed darklaw was better, just that it’s a stupid design regardless of how easy it is to potentially out.
mikanko has to be in my top 5 least favorite deck to play against. It just feels impossible to out in most strategies and if i have the audacity to summon a monster with more then 2000 attack i insta lose. The guy who loves mikanko said it best, he doesnt have to pay attention or care what his opponent does. he just gives you a kaiju or a golem and crashes with no real way to stop it
Underworld goddess is one of the best outs to hu-li lock and it can be used in many decks. Assuming they don't have the otk and you get to play another turn of course.
One of my friends beat a Mikanko deck when he was forced to go first. He was playing a Hungry Burger deck
@@lucasg7720 i met a Mikanko player that used Kaiser yesterday, so no Goddess lol
I once beat Mikanko using Electrum to pop 6 times with Shining Neos Wingman, it was glorious
Mikanko has a lot more interaction in order to stop the OTK from happening IMO.
Other methods like Gossip Shadow, Numeron, or FTK burn are restricted to hand traps in your opening hand to stop, but Mikanko requires understanding how to dismantle the board in turn 2 to get the OTK. And if you don’t, you need to figure out how to set up for follow on.
If anything, Mikanko is more efficient than Liebe OTK, and I’m a fan of both.
there are two types of people. the people who don't want tenpai in the game, and the people who gaslight themselves into thinking they want tenpai in the game
10:03 Book of Eclipse or Daruma Cannon I guess?
4:10 this is the master duel sub tho. they dont have an side deck
"Now I'm happy that this game has a rigged coin toss that I lose 75% of the time"
Which is more likely? That Master Duel actually has a built-in mechanism that was deliberately coded to make some players more likely to win the coin toss than others? Or that you simply got unlucky?
the former, casinos know how to keep you hooked in
Mikanko is the most meta anti meta deck and I love it so much
"Somebody explain why the thread praising Mikanko is controversial but then Mikanko being complained about is also controversial"
That's literally what controversy is.
9:45 still blinding 2nd with dinos, masters every season. if misc resolves, glhf
08:21 „They can’t agree“ Yeah, that’s what being controversial means, isn’t it?
mikanko is just numeron with a mustache
I don't understand the discourse around Mikanko. People (or just one random person) have been asking for an archetype to take advantage of equip cards, y'know that one group of spell cards with a large portion of them being useless.
Infernobles are right there to yoir left Sir
@@kingknightisbestknight7398 I didn't bring them cause I do have bias towards them.. I failed to mention Infernoble mostly because Infernobles didn't get as broken or good as quickly as Mikanko did.
I didn’t use fenrir until it was limited to 1
Didn’t even think about searching itself lol
9:00 - PacooComplexus is gonna really love Tenpai when it arrives to MD :]
8:25 That's literally what controversial means big dog
The guy ranting about Mikanko is right you know....
Tenpai in Master Duel... it'll be VERY interesting to see how that will play out.
I want to use Tenpai as an engine in dragons but the best of 1 format might make Master Duel heavily hit the deck. 😑
No no no super polying baronne and savage is fun, let me do it a bit more and dont ban them yet
9:50 Mikanko -> battle phase deck-> tempai -> a omni protection Main phase 1 -> Misc
If these rants were memes, the weekly meme reviews would be funnier.
Both Unicorn and Fenrir should be banned, free special summons and board breaker for Fenrir. But Unicorn is 2 special summon and a banish face down of an extra deck monster if the opponent hand traps. Unicorn is almost a +3
I'd like to see what would happen if a lab player ran pokemon cards
As a Mikanko lover, I have no idea why ju-li protects from targeting, but it’s also incredibly easy to stop her from hitting the field in the first place. Plus, say what you want, I’m taking untargetable over unaffected any day
When you move Kashtira and defend it , i will tell you that life is hard
To be honest you got it backwards... Which is telling of social media's influence. It should be "Social media gives us the worst of society and sometimes the best". Anyone who disagrees needs to stop being delusional. Anyone with half a brain and more than two brain cells can see social media and media in general push stories. And what gets attention the best? Negativity, morally wrong acts and people.
The reason nobody's playing DPE in Master Duel is because they banned the good main deck destiny heroes, so it's just worse dragoon without them
5:05 no ohime. That is funny. I pulled a royal
If it were up to Farfa and Josh, the banlist would be a thousand cards long.
There were a lot more based opinions than I thought there would be...except the Mikanko enjoyer, and "The card's not good now" guy
it's all fun and games till monke flip returns. also more of this!
I miss my wife, tails
ive been going second the moment i was born, im playing tenpai when it drops and im not apologizing
And the dittrrs one those bots
I can’t even beat Mikanko if they go first. Trying to out 2-3 towers that will beat me if I do anything makes me sad
there exists a xyz? that lets you ignore towers, i only pulled off the combo once or twice in my 91 hours of playtime. but if theres zero interuptions you can beat anyone *outside of maybe rikka or whoever uses life gain although my way is low odd's since i dont really know deck building or massive combos, so i cant play most decks
@@SSJ3CyLink who would that be? I’m assuming you mean go into Zeus?
I dont have zues and he's only 3k attack, not 8000
@@SSJ3CyLink okay well who is the Xyz
Ive seen so many comments where people are saying they use unusual tech and the only responses they get are. This card is bad. You sbould use something else. Despite you saying it works, it never works.
Wich episode of MD Memes is this 0:15
2:42 Oh hi me.
If liking mikanko is controversial then disliking mikanko is also obviously going to be controversial.. Not sure what you meant?
Dumb take: overtuned generic boss/Extra Deck monsters should be, rather than entirely forbidden, complex banned out of non-archetypal decks (which is easier said than done, I know). Or at least, erratad into being less generic
Imagine if Baronne needed Fleur Synchron, or if you couldn't play Verte Anaconda in non Predaplant-heavy decks
As another comment said, it would have to force konami to print even usable boss monsters for even past archetypes, kinda like Endymion with him and Jackal king being the main boss monsters
Generic boss monsters give a fighting chance to kinda bad archetypes
But meta decks being able to use them like nothing too feels like someone taking a disabled parking spot
Reading moment
Rank needs to actually ranked and be based on skill. Tired of getting slammed meta decks cause people are trash at the game they need op cards to win.
okay but fuck the logical argument for borrel/baronne I want to play rocks leave me alone I don't want my end board being apo dragite and red dragon archfiend
Bro these Intros... And those bots
the mikanko duality is easy
you're not allowed to complain about mikanko, because it isn't a tiered strat
you're also not allowed to like mikanko, because it's a cringe blind second otk strat that requires zero "skill"
/r/masterduel brainrot at its finest
Faced tenpai at locals… I think I quit yugioh
wtf are these bots
Isn't Mikanko controversial BECAUSE people love and hate it?
Really funny video. I approve the joel.
Mikanko is genuinely one of the worst archetypes in the game. I'm not saying its ineffective but its a bad strategy to have in a game that is focused on interacting with your opponent based on their unique playstyle. Mikanko just doesn't care and does the same thing every game with zero variation.
Mikanko can be very enjoyable. I've had plenty of games playing it where I've had to get creative with their interactive pieces to be successful. Not to mention they are really easy to counter in tcg. Not as easy in master duel but still
I know that's not how we evaluate cards but Dargoon is waaay better than DPE when on the board. DPE's garnets are way better and thus he is more payable but people talk as if DPE is the better card in a vacuum
"why are the post about liking Mikanko and the post complaining about Mikanko both getting downvoted. how are they both controversial"
it's almost like Mikanko has people feeling strongly about both opposing viewpoints. or as some would call that, "controversial"
why EEV AND BARRIER are is simple they are crap now they are only playable in decks that can search them unless you want to be toxic again and use thrust to get them but then you must ask yourself isn't thrust issue. currently they are like a handtrap you must draw it to use it but unlike handtrap you arent playing half a deck of them. yes it does because if it didn't why is ash legal it's been good in nearly every format and it's only point is to slow the opponent
what do u mean these cards ? 🤨
Oh looks it's me as the first reply
"This player has never heard of a side deck"
Is reading comments on the master duel reddit where master duel is a best of 1 format.
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I think the real problem is the Bo3 format in the TCG needs to be removed. Align the TCG with master duel and the OCG.
I’m pretty sure OCG also uses side deck my guy
@@arkanamaster4961 oh shit I have to go rewatch YCS Japan because I must have missed 2/3rds of all of the matches. I only watched 1 of each round.
Side deck is the mistake
Objectively bad take
"Decks are underexplored!"
"Hey guyz, i love playing mikanko"
"Stop exploiting to make your bad deck viable"
My hot take is that we should straight up reboot the game… start fresh, learn from konamis numerous mistakes when it comes to card design.
Physically impossible and financially the worst move ever. Thank god Konami is in control
Unban Dragoon plz konami!!
The yugioh Community is anti fun
Just put fenrir to one, ban Arise heart and put all others things to normal 😂😂😂
Also arise heart is just stupid
It's a 3k atk and def, can be summon like zoodiac without restrictions, macro cosmos at home, zeus on steroid and just put the infinitrack link 1 moster to make it cannot be destroy by card effects
KEKW
The fact that there are 3 stages to get rid completely of a card (aka banish face down) shows how the pace of the game has been mutilated, while having cards that can access that last stage of removal for free while activating effects that further make you unable to access anything, be it your deck or zones. Kashtira, whether you can counter it or not, is such a messed up archetype that is the antithesis of bad game design.
Another controversial take: MekLord should be tier zero
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Controversial take: get rid of all hand traps and kashteira
So make everything board breaker draw heaven, kash is just floodgate control
This comment has been edited to removal the jate crime.
Controversial opinion. Super poly was a mistake
Mikanko? Just Daruma EZ. lol
I prefer red supernova
found toxic lab player
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Why the fuck does every god damn video of mbt and farfa start with a monologue as we are about to watch psycological murder documentary and analysis of a crime state.
Just start say "here are some dogshit opinions" and start rolling the clips.
Make your own videos then.
The only reason kashtira is hated and Tear is not, while both decks are extremely toxic, is that Tear is a waifu deck.
Kashtira is a floodgate deck, tear sets up interactions and leads to nice high roll situations. If tear wasn’t literally the best deck ever it would be more than just “waifu”
Nah I enjoy how Tear plays, people just don't like it because they were strong enough to be considered T0
0 view in 48 seconds, bro really fell off.
Definitely woods
I think farfa is right. These master duel Andy's act like the side deck doesn't even exist when they give their takes.
Most of them probably play only master duel so side deck doesn’t exist
Maybe it shouldn't exist
Well, that's because it's a discussion in the master duel subreddit. So their argument is valid. MD and TCG have different banlists because the format is different.
this reddit is specifically for master duel so the side deck isn't even relevant and shouldn't matter when they give their takes.
I mean when it's a discussion in the MD subreddit, it's probably a discussion pertaining to MD. The format that doesn't use a side deck.
Mikanko is for peanut butter brain players. We get it, 2400atk vs 2600atk is too much math for you! You'd rather just use your pseudo crusadia otk, I love that we skipped over double edged sword like it shouldn't be banned. (I'd be annoyed but okay with mikanko IF it didnt have an OTK attached to it)
Womp womp, skill issue. Blind 2nd isn’t even the strongest variant of Mikanko. The going 1st variants are way more fun but you aren’t high enough rank to see the decks lol.
@@CSFriogoing first variants, even pure, are pure comedy. Rivalry, snatch steal, herald, ni-ni, they have some of the funniest interruptions in the game.
@@CSFrio ugh, sure. I Dont reach diamond/master consistently. I never said blind 2nd, i said Mikanko on a fundamental level isnt fun or interesting to play against, nor are the plays innovative or dynamic. But thats on par for Mikanko enthusiasts with the truly super human brain power required to respond with "skill issue".
@@leonheart7your comment very clearly shows your ignorance and that blind 2nd is the only variant you’re familiar with lmao.
Well, it’s been 3 banlist, just deal with it. No fenrir and unicorn ban 😃✌️
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Yugioh in japanese means unfair
I'd probably like labrynth if the theme/card art wasn't waifu shit
That’s the best part lol I fucking hate Lab even with the art im pissed off to all hell that this bullshit exists in MD. But honestly Lab has great card Arts
The "this card isnt good right now" is by far one of the worst arguments you can have. I still remember people saying halq is totally fine beacuse in x format not many decks run it, just for a few months later it to be banned because it summoned t.g. wonder magician that popped scythe, or for formula into calamity.
I hate the "this card isn't good right now" argument
as an ardent halq defender back then, even I knew that it'd have to go eventually, I just also enjoyed using it and thought it was fine up until the ban (but an early ban is generally better than it ruining even more formats)
I completely agree with "this card is good rn" being weak argument. Especially when it's in defense of stupid floodgates and in MD bo1 format.
> Release strong deck in selection pack
> Hit them on next banlist
> Release branded support
Loop
Branded support is done for my guy
@@duckgossipwrong story of white, argyros alba system fusion
For a lot of these, I feel like it's less what they said and more how they said it. Like 'I'm having fun playing Mikanko' is a totally reasonable thing to say. 'I'm having fun because I don't have to pay attention to what my opponent's deck does' makes you seem like an asshole. And a lot of the threads about much OP hates something really come across more like 'I just lost to this deck three times in a row and am salty' than anything well-reasoned.
But my opponent always does some bullshit plays and then expect me to go through with all of it. F that. That mikanko player is right, and especially the way it was said. Playing mikanko is GREAT BECAUSE 99% of the time, you don't care about what your opponent does, and burn is like that too.
Also F the rigged coin flip, i'm on a 25 lose streak with the turn coin flip.
@@jeanriviere2599 Y'know. This is second time I've made a comment on a Farfa video along the lines of 'I could get behind what that person says if they were better at communicating', and then the person themselves replies to me, pretending to be someone else, and then proves me wrong by doubling down on how they were communicating before.
It's a two player game, friend. If you don't want to care about your opponent, Solo mode is right over there.
@@Gilphon i don't even use reddit, i'm a RUclips only guy.
But hell, props to that redditor that speaked the TRUTH.
I would have spoken the same way if i used reddit, and you can say whatever you want, Yu-Gi-Oh! has become so much of a coin flip game that, if i lose the coin flip, my opponent will just set some bullshit board that will try its utmost best to prevent me to play the game, and if not, will just pull the most unfair plays to break through whatever is in front of him and it will end in banlist discussion because "LOL its unfair because [...]".
And in the rare case i win the coin flip, the opponent will either scoop or bitch on the internet about how the game sucks, or both and more.
And when you want to play something different it's "LOL pet deck" or "go play a real deck", "the deck is dog water", etc.
So if i want to play something that ignores what my opponent does because it's the same long boring stupid shit every time, then i have the right to.
Do you know how to not lose at a game ? By not playing. If i can play a deck that allows to do Yu-Gi-Oh! duels without playing "Yu-Gi-Oh!", then GOOD.
It makes losing not frustrating and winning EVEN MORE satisfying.
As a mikanko player, he is not wrong. I play other decks when I want to pay attention to someone's every move. I rock mikanko when I want to lava golem into an arabesque for hu-li, hidden arsenal into double edged sword, re-lava golem your last two monsters, equip golem with sword, and have hu-li, swing for game. 1 minite play, and absolutely lethal. None of that snake-eyes bs.
"I love snake eyes bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" aww how sweet
"I love mikanko bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" HUMAN RESOURCES!? 😂😂🤣💀
100% correct on the first one. The Kashtira monsters are utterly unpleasant and unfun to play against, but his way of expressing it is far too clouded with rage. He should have sat down for a bit first, then explained why they both need to sit on the ban-list permanently.
the post about mikanko was hilarious
I remember someone talking about whether or not a 0-cost card draw is inherently broken in TCGs and mentioning offhand that Yu-Gi-Oh has Upstart at 3 but most decks don't use it, and a thought I had was that even if you just want a card to cycle, why would you use 3 slots in your deck for Upstart when there is a card that is a cycle AND Pankratops simultaneously?
"If you ban Borreload and Baronne my deck will have no boss monster," is only actually true if the deck you're referring to is specifically Fleur, and would say that Chevalier and Sociere don't count because they were printed prior to Fleur being an actual deck and also that Sauge doesn't count because she doesn't have an on-field effect. You could say that your deck's boss monster isn't as good as Baronne but if you're playing, like, Superheavy Samurai and saying, "Nooo, you took my ONLY boss monsters, what am I gonna do now?" while ignoring the deck has straight-up 9 different in-archetype Synchros.
It turns out if every card is better than a +0, or are just necessary garnet/other combo piece, it's hard to fit cards like Upstart into your deck while keeping the deck size down
Baronne at least shouldn’t be banned, not looking at it from SHS perspective but a lot of other weaker decks. Farfa mention this being good in the long run and that we aren’t looking at the “Big Picture”,
But we are, the big picture of this is that banning generic negates means we have to put our trust in Konami to print strong equal support for ALL deck archetypes in the long run(which lets be real is not happening),
also due to how the game is naturally players will always be looking to find ways to reduce opponen’s interaction (see new Snake-Eyes list than ran Dis Pater & Omega to rip 2 from hand) things will NOT CHANGE. the game has to be either ENTIRELY rid of negate effects or strong negate boss monsters for ALL decks to reach an ideal conclusion (which again not trusting Konami on this)
@@SStrikeFury That last point you bring up is exactly why hitting boss monsters is dumb. The engine is what allows you to do broken stuff so it doesn't matter what bosses you ban. The engine will eventually do something stupid. Insects are another good example of an engine that's just waiting for something good they can use.
@@SStrikeFuryMy 60 card dumpster fire zefra-endymion-pendulum magician-invoked are basically each engines doing it's own stuff, pend mag got me savage, Invoked got me mechaba, Endymion was getting the jackal king and/or endymion on field and zefra was bodies to end up linking into apollousa
I really like those decks that are a lot of different stuff that kinda boost each other
On the same vein I had a 60 card dragon link back when adventure engine just dropped on master duel
Couldn't play after that bc ps4 died, now a I have a complete adventure engine doing nothing bc I just had it to get barone with halqifibrax and rose dragon tuners, then dragon link went crazy and now I cant really play it after the hits and the current meta
Most recent decks apparently have that theme of doing everything, first kash having no restrictions whatsoever, and now snake eyes that every card does everything, idk if thats the new way to have a "strongest deck in the format" title but man just feels bad.
uhm ackshually, Kashtiratheosis locks you into Xyz summoning. ☝️🤓
@@acasualgameryt6978 one card in the entire deck locks oh woowwww
@@aidenharris52962 actually...riseheart locks you in XYZ's if you use the special summon effect
Mikanko is so much fun. Especially when you move on to playing the going first variants. Sinful Mikanko Warrior pile goes crazy.
I once got down voted on r/masterduel for saying I liked playing Thunder Dragons.
9:33 Just play level 8 monsters and make Tachyon. When I run into them I'm constantly glad I'm playing a Galaxy/Photon deck and still run Tachyon as a backup.
I don't hate mikanko for what it does but the cards are still badly designed because the effects are distributed across multiple cards and you have to look for a short sentence that is somewhere on 3 cards which have hundreds of words each if you want to know what makes them untargetable for example. Its ok card design but the worst text structure of all time.
the guy who said d barrier isn't good right now was capping