WC Ski Tuning for ICY CONDITIONS
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2021
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In today's video we are going to visit two unusual places for regular skiers: an icy indoor ski arena in Germany and a WC ski tuning and wax room.
We are going to take a quick look at how Croatian WC racer Matej Vidovic's ski edges are tuned for super icy and slippery conditions. We are also going to watch Matej carve like only a true WC racer can, edge locked and with perfect balance.
NOTE! Matej came 12'th in the WC SL event at Zagreb earlier this week.
Have fun,
Tom 
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Thank you very much, sir ! I think that ski’s are excellent for shaving face or whatever.....
Yes, u are a great man, sir , u have my respect ✊!
Thanks :)
I have 165 slalom skis, I do everything myself - paraffin wax, sharpening, 3 diamond stones and two files
(20 strips and 13 strips), corner 87 degrees, universal canto cutter 90-85 - a set is enough. I moisten diamond stones in an alcohol-containing liquid (for example, in vodka :)))) before using
about sharpening the edges from the base - yes, there is a universal corner, but I use it 1 time at the beginning of the season, if you are an amateur don't think you should bother
Hahaa.... did you know that you are miss-using alcohol? I too prepare my skis all by myself. Only thing I can't do by myself is if I have to get the base tuned. Once a year maybe.
That indoor facility is bigger than my whole hill!
Yeah, and there is only one guy skiing :)
@Triggerboy62 Fascinating! I always tuned my own skis, but never to specific conditions. How often are you making adjustments throughout a season?
Personally, at my coaching and racing level I always tune all our skis the same. To keep things simple. I vary waxing but the edges are always at 87/0,5. But we are not world cup racers. For the WC all competitions and runs have specific tuning setups. In the video you can see Matej's skis. Those are just his skis. Lots of different boots as well.
I've seen skis tuned at different angles across the length of the sidewall
@@vladdutz20 Hi Vlad, thanks for watching. Yes, I've seen this too. Especially the base bevel for a more even edge hold at turn initiation. I think that only your imagination is the limit.
@Triggerboy62 great vídeo!!!
you running in SL skis on 86º and flat tune base ,or running in 87º with tuned base 0,25º-0,5º?
I running on 87º and 0,5º in my WC FIS SL 165, deburned 12cm tip and 7cm tail in hard snow,not water inyected .
With Chris and myself I go same as you 87/0,5 but sharp tip to tail.
Triggerboy62 yesterday checked and only deburned 1/2cm off in the camber edge,after the tip (first 10cm of the tip are elevated)
the tail its sharpened. Not deburned ,and be fine in hard snow.
Are you compared 87º/0,5º vs 87º/0,25º ??
@@robertof9806 no, all the pro shops here makes only 0,5. Or slightly less... no numbers given... but the smaller the base angle the better. When normal shops makes 0,5 its not accurate.
@@Triggerboy62 yes, nórdica wc sl stock tuned at 87º/0,5º . Volkl wc fis sl stock tuned at 87,6º/0,7º.
Better buy ski not tuned and tuned for you.
My next ski what i buy are stock;
For the base , 10cm tip and tail with more angle 0,5º-0,7º and
rest of edge 0º to 0,25º for ice and test it.
Why am I watching this lol, I’m from Vermont #bornfromice and my skis r razors already but this should help ,y little sister because she doesn’t want to do what I say but she will listen to this video
Hahahaa... whatever it takes to get through to your little sister... glad to be of assistance. Thanks for watching!
Nice TriOne, I take it that's a Moonflex 1500 you're finishing off the overhanging burrs with?
Must confess I dont know. I can try to find out. Thanks for watching.
I was taught a long time ago...the skier has to make the skis carve (i.e. good technique) and a smooth edge is more important than a 86 degree over-deflected edge. I usually use a 88 degree edge and they are slightly detuned. There was a SL race a while back that Shiffrin won and Vlhova was doing well until she hooked an edge in the front of the skis and the skis wouldn't release. She was thrown into the air over the top of her skis. Was this do to skis being overly sharp and not detuned at the end of the shovel and tail?
In some recent WC DH/SG races both men and women were "stood up" where the skis continued to go straight and wouldn't turn. Those skiers ended up in the fence. I'm guessing that the tails were overly sharpened and the skis not weighted enough for reverse camber. Like skis of decades ago, the very end of WC ski tails don't have much flair and are fully cambered, and squared. Recreational skis generally have a slight rocker and a rounded end so the ski releases to start the new turn. The idea of a square tail is so the skis keep tracking (i.e. carving) and the skis are released through a rebound. Iv'e noticed that recently there seems to be more rebound at the end of the turn directed upwards rather than forward, and momentum (rebound energy) not being used to throw skier mass down the hill. In other words, are the skis being overly locked in and can't properly release for the new turn? Ruts are hard enough to ski anyway, but are skis being tuned overly sharp so that they don't have a chance to release at the end of the rut?
You are perfectly right. Very sharp edges are not always the best choice. So far on the men's SL circuit the snow has been very grabby. Not slippery icy. In such conditions skis tuned for ice are too grabby and bounce all over the place. Also ski boots need to be set up differently. For recreational skiers, even club racers, 88 deg is sufficient. Its more about how sharp they are than what the angle is.
@@Triggerboy62 What boot's setup changes you make when icy conditions? thanks
@@fede_wenzel I'd be curious as well.
For most recreational 'good' skiers, 87 and 0.5 is fine in most conditions. No detune. If you can ski, you can handle the 0.5 underfoot fine even on grabby conditions. The sidewall edge makes less difference, only on ice. However...87 and 86 get dull even faster than 88. Although 88 on an icy day is blunt within 3-4 runs anyway unless you fully carve the whole slope.
Hi, what's the difference between 86,87 and 88 angle? The 86 degree holds the best on the slope?
The sharper the better it holds but it wears out the edge faster and spoils the skis sooner. On ice 86 for WC but on grabbier snow they can go 87. Different angles for different snow and diciplines. This is SL. For regular skiers 88 or 87 is good. But tune often :)
Do they detune the tip and tail and if so what part of tip and tail and by how much?
Some do, but we don't.
do you prefer sharpening the edge with a typewriter or a file?
With a Carrot...
Is there any technique you can use when skiing on rock hard ice? Except for tuning and sharpen your edge and pray that it will carve & not slide out? (I live in US east coast and we call it "ice coast" for a very good reason :(((( )
When it comes to boot setup there is actually a lot to be done. Lots of people have been "canting" their boots. Shimming the bottom of the boot to an angle for a better alignment. I use a 0,5 degree angle on my boots at the moment. Canted to be more aggressive. However, what feels good on softer snow feels totally awful on hard ice. So if you only have one pair of boots, like I do, then you need to compromise. Basically bad in both soft and icy conditions. Note that this is the same even if you don't have canted boots. The solution is to be able to adjust the sideways tilt of the shaft. At the moment on my Dalbellos I don't have that feature but on my Atomics I had. So, adjust your ski boots according to the conditions. Its quite surprising how big of an impact this adjustment has. The purpose is to find the sweet spot where your inclination matches up with your edges hooking up.
An other thing to keep in mind is that on ice you should not be too forceful. Be light on your edges brushing over the ice and only try to hook them up in the direction your skis are running. Try to make your turn initiation as smooth and as clean as possible. On grabbier snow you can slam the ski more sideways and it will grab hold of an edge but on ice your ski will be slipping away from you. On icy conditions I also try to create air friction by standing tall since carving on ice is like hitting the gas pedal. Also use "stivots". Good example is Levi Black where I have been skiing a lot. Also, using longer GS skis will hold better on ice but shorter SL skis will keep your speed better under control.
Hopefully I could be of some help.
T
@@Triggerboy62 Thanks! Maybe you can do a video about your so called “air friction” as I don’t quite understand it... or maybe just do a video on all you have said above as a whole
@@jameszeng2666 hahaa.... you don't let me off easy do you. The air friction is just to stand up tall and try to have the wind drag slow you down if there is any.
BTW, I have some videos out which touches on the topic of how to ski on icy runs. If you ever ski in bumps on an icy day check out my "how to ski bumps like a pro" video. But yes, I actually have an skiing on icy video in the works. Maybe I should try to get it done.
@@Triggerboy62 I see. Looking forward to that video :) And thanks for the reply!
Have you tried this DISCMAN 4 18 VOLT SHARPENER WITH a battery operated machine, is it worse in sharpening quality than a carrot?
I have only used the Carrot and it is great.
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Thank you very very much for watching so many of my videos Stanley. Cheers, Tom