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How Hawk Got Nerfed In Cobra Kai Season 5 (It Sucks!)
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2022
- Hawk is one of the best characters of Cobra Kai but in Season 5 he wasn't as powerful as he should have been. Let's look at why.
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They made it seem like Kenny was on Miguel, Robby and Hawk's fighting level 😞 and Hawk losing to Kenny was ridiculous
it rly was
he got lucky
I disagree Robbie told Eli to go easy on him that's why he didn't expect that punch but I do agree they did make Eli a little weak in season 5 but when Eli and Dimitri took down Kyler together put a smile on my face and remember Kyler sneak attack Eli from behind that's why he fell and dropped the tablet Kyler cannot defeat Eli one on one if he was coming at Eli face to face he wouldn't have been able to knock him down Kyler is a punk bully but the Kenny situation he was going easy on him that's what I'm going with Eli is not a scumbag anymore if he was he wouldn't care about anything or anyone he buried all that in the ground it was turning him to someone he's not it's a reason why he's not as aggressive he once were
Yah I don't see it that way, any time Kenny got the upperhand on either it was usually because one was holding back, or because one was caught off guard.
When Eli fought Kenny the first time, he treated him like a child, and did get hit, but the punch clearly didn't hurt him.
The second time he was not only holding back but was caught off guard by the ref cheating, then he was hit illegally in the knee, like Daniel was in KK1, then he continued to fight injured and got one shot by the silver bullet, which is also implied to be an illegal move.
When Kenny fought Robby, he got him with a sneak attack silver bullet.
And Miguel beat him so handily they barely showed it lol.
It is stated that Kenny and Deven both have the potential to rival or surpass them though, by senseis that know their shit. So to doubt that is a long shot.
yea, and kenny has only been practicing karate for less than a year...so him beating a prize fighter like Hawk was really unrealistic
In the last episode Hawk delivered the best line and it was awesome. 'That's life. You win some, you lose some but you gotta move on.' That sums up pretty much Hawk's arc.
He got beat up by that piece of charcoal hahaha, that was so stupid my balls crawled in my ass.
Especially considering he got a great win last season, and his things before was being unable to accept a lose. Think of how he trashed Miyagi-Do after losing the mall fight, and while he made up with Miguel after the forest fight, he eventually ditched Johnny and displayed he had trouble getting along with Miguel when he could walk again, and broke Demetri's arm after the school stuff was getting out of control. And he went ALL out on his old bully while still in Cobra Kai.
It's just Hawk displaying he can take loses, best which was best.
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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@@antithoughtpolice7497 let’s be real I ain’t reading all that no hate
@@AnimeEditKing He could barley accept loses before, so him taking his lose to Kenny was awesome character development
I think the scene that had so much potential for Hawk’s storyline was when Hawk was about to get into a fight at the water park, but instead he saw the little kid who looked up to him. This would of been good to have Hawk struggle with being a role model, since he knows he’s not a squeaky clean hero, and end up becoming a mentor to some of the younger students at Eagle Fang.
*would have
@@warpitexis2341 🤓👆
@@fer8353 ok
The upgrade of Kenny was beyond believable. He needed to be a few years older to make sense.
A more plausible way would have been bert spiking hawk's energy drink or something before the match with kenny
Why? I’ve been training for years and have seen a few just plain naturally gifted individuals that knew nothing become absolute beasts in a few months. It happens.
@@DLFLux true it's possible, but in this case they really nerfed hawk to show Kenny's improvement. The fight didn't feel as choreographed as the previous fights
@@trulydipps246 Hawk wasn’t nerfed. He was taking it easy as requested by Robbie, also had a dodgy ref not calling his point while dealing with an injured leg from Kenny using an illegal move. That’s why eventually he was like “no more Eli; time to un cage the Hawk” at which point, Kenny fought dirty and used the Silver Bullet.
Kenny is also like 4 feet tall and weighs like 20 pounds. I could beat that kid up with the slow ass moves he telegraphs
At least hawk got more screen time than demitri. He was missing from the water park, miyagi do reopening the saikai taikai and the house party.
The other three, true. But he was doing his own arc that episode working at TechTown
Demetri has never been a character with any major arcs to be fair. He sort of had that with Season 2, and trying to learn Karate himself, but Demetri does state it's also connected to Hawk's character change. After season 2, Demetri is pretty much there to help develop Hawk's story in season 3 and 4.
@@rich355 It’s sucks because Demetri is my fav character, but he hasn’t had a character storyline, when he has so much potential
Hawk is main character unlike Demetri
This season is mainly focused on Miguel
Robby kenny and devon tory
@@lunalovegood4234 They should have give hawk and Demetri more screentime than kenny
Kenny is waste character this season
I said it once and ima say it again. Cobra kai needs more screen time thats literally the problem and its the only way to fix all these characters from being left in the dust. I would say make each episode an hour long surprised they haven’t done so from having so many characters at this point
I agree. After season 4 when most of the main kids are out and against cobra Kai the remainder generally just feel like assholes for the sake of being assholes.
At a con I was at for a panel I asked some stars if they would change anything and joe seos first answer was giving kyler some kind of reason why he’s a such a jerk. Really a missed opportunity on the shows part given he was the original bully in ep 1.
I miss when it was the Johnny show, really. I know that's the nature of the beast but man, he and Miguel being at the absolute forefront was awesome. Now characters are getting almost no screentime often. And that Ralph Macchio is top billing over Zabka is a crime. The Karate Kid was Macchio's, Cobra Kai is Zabka's and he is the main protagonist above everyone.
@@Jake-qo3mp facts also johnny is a more likable character especially his relationship with Miguel
Since season 4 i feel like the screen time on the show for many characters has been diminished.
At this point, giving these specific characters any more screen time would be even worse for them, especially in this part of the shows existence. It would just hammer in the fact that these characters have served their purpose and that they're just plot-convenient tools now.
They could have handled this a lot better if Hawk had just won their fight at the waterpark without Kenny landing a single hit. That would of course make Kenny angry, he trains harder and asks Silver for advice.
"How do I beat someone with more experience? Teach me something new!" Thats when Silver teaches him the Silver Bullet. From there,I n their final fight, Kenny again Starts to lose and uses the silber Bullet. That shows that he is willing to do anything to win and that Silver has really gotten to him. It also lets Hawk seem more Like a good fighter that got hit by a cheap shot.
Getting struck dead in the chest is not a cheap shot. Quit making excuses for a terrible plot line in this season. Hawk was neutered and Kenny was elevated to Thanos level because the writers ran out of plot material.
@@nottelling4828 Of course a direct strike to the chest isn't necessarily a cheap shot, but it is a Strike, that follows the quick silver Method.
It's Not a legitimete move if theire are fair referees involved.
Thats the reason why a Fighter who had a Lot less experience can Beat HAWLK
@@timhinfort1171 A punch to the chest is legit no matter what kind of strike you use. You're trying to weave something sensible into the scene that isn't there in order to cover up the writers' heavy-handed plot armor. A more rational scene would have been if Silver taught Kenny actually how to cheat, such as eye gauging, fish-hooking, striking in the privates, etc. A strike like that which took Hawk down would work much better because 1) It's Kenny's only way to even be competitive against Hawk, 2) It would make us dislike Kenny even more, and 3) The ref could simply give a warning rather than a disqualification. As it stands, having Kenny punch Hawk straight in the chest with absolute ease is probably the most asinine story line to take in this case.
@@nottelling4828
I think you might have misunderstood me.
Kenny should Not have been able to beat Hawk. I think everyone agrees with that. He just hasnt got enogh experience.
Hawk was winning this fight despight a corrupt reff.
My suggestion was just to let Hawk win a few matches and have him knocked out by "The Silver Bullet"
I think that would make Hawk seem Like he's still a great Fighter that lost because of a tecnicality.
@@timhinfort1171 : "Hawk was winning this fight despight a corrupt reff. "
No he wasn't. He got dropped when the score was 2-0. Even if you remove the cheating ref, he was down 2-1 on legit points. People are making a big deal about the rear leg strike as being disqualifying, but that's just the show producers trying to infuse stuff in the plot to make us think that Kenny is way overmatched and cheating in order to win. The dude was legit kicking Hawk's butt, which anyone with two or more brain cells banging around in their head knows is an absurd notion. Hawk should have sleep-walked this kid.
Producers sucked a lemon on this scene and plot line.
The Hawk nerfs and the Kenny buffs are the only things i hated about season 5
Same Hawk was a Menace and a Beast in S3 then they made him soft and become Merciful I miss the No Mercy Hawk 🔥
Hawk didn't really get nerfed so much as his whole purpose in existing as a character is to bump up characters to show their progression without having the main characters lose. That's what he was for season 1 Robbie in the all valley. In season 2 he was used to show that Sam and Robbie had progressed as a Duo and so they beat hawk at the mall. Then they had to show Miguel had grown at Coyote Creek not just by beating hawk at karate but by also doing the right thing and returning the medal of honor. Then he was used to show Dimitri's progression by losing to him in the school fight. The reason he won the all valley in season 4 is because Miguel was injured and conflicted and Robbie was conflicted with Kenny so neither were ready to beat him. Season 5 they needed someone to elevate Kenny. It's just to add drama without compromising Miguel and Robbie as the two obvious main characters of the show. Hawk will always exist as an elite threat for others to overcome.
But then whats the damn point of treating hawk like a top 5 fighter then belittling him at ever turn to show others progression at some point that shit will seem like they kinda nerfing him then if thats the case kill him of n get him outta there cuz other than that beating him wont mean shit soon enough
Hawk the journeyman gate keeper.
I have to agree, they definitely had to depower him to give Kenny a chance
Hawk wasn't nerfed. He's always on par with Miguel and Robbie when he's got a clear head. Only times he really loses is when he's arrogant, or holding back he did initially against Kenny (Robbie asked him to go easy and he underestimated the kid). And the ref was bought to rig the fight for Cobra Kai anyway
You're totally spot on. I mentioned that in another thread.
Even hawk says ''no more eli, it's time to uncage the hawk'' meaning that was the time he was going to fight seriously. At that moment he was hit with the silver bullet which was shown to be an extremely dangerous and illegal move so it's not like he lost to Kenny's skill or whatever, he was caught by a move he did not knew that happened to be super dangerous (classic silver stuff).
@@oblivion9202 hawk was injured from kenny when he wasnt trying his best
"Yup, this feels great and fits just right!" - Kenny while trying on the plot armor. Worst thing about this season was the writers working SO HARD to jam Kenny down our throats.
Nah. Daniel's bitchness and Sam's entitled slut ass were thr worst. Have been since season one.
Yeah, tell me about it.
It honestly felt like everyone leveled down in Season 5. The adults were more focused on. Student fights were not choreographed as well or lacked their higher level attributes seen previously in other seasons.
Hawk was sacrificed because it was so lopsided in favor or Miyagi Do with the males. So disappointed that Shawn didn’t show up. The fact that Kenny was representing CK was almost comical. I really don’t think they thought this one through and kinda had to wing it. I was left wandering why in the world Terry didn’t do exactly as he did in KK3 and just bring in a hired gun like Mike. The attack Terry taught Kenny did help soften the blow but it was still……..Kenny easily beat Hawk. Maybe it was inevitable because it was always going to be either Miguel or Robby winning in the end.
THIS
@Horror Hawk if you remember back to the beginning Robby and his friends also laughed at Karate. His little brother being involved is enough reason alone to make it make sense. Not to mention they could have easily went the route of Terry using his money. Very simple to make it work. Also if he saw karate as such a joke why would he have sent Kenny to Robby for help? I’m sure he has friends that can take care of themselves that could have handled it. Robby earned his respect and he knew Karate could help his brother
WATCHPARTY: This is great, thank you so much for doing this. I love Hawk and yeah I wish that they had given him more to do this season, but I understand why they didn't because his main storyline was pretty much wrapped up & maybe they are setting his character up for something for something new that's also big for him in S6
Hawks character arc this season was representing Miyagi do in the competition. Robbie and Miguel both agreeing for Hawk to represent Miyagi Do shows Hawks maturity and that he has fully gained the respect and trust from his friends/teammates/sensei's again. From destroying their Dojo to fully representing them as their champion is a complete 360. Hawk isn't as much as a hot head now, But is becoming a natural leader and learning to de escalate situations he once would have lashed out in. He is showing maturity and loyalty. Him losing to Kenny should go to show that Kenny comes from good genetics/ high intelligence and a work ethic/ desire to learn and to get better. Hawk entered that fight in an arrogant manner and didn't take him seriously. Hawk didn't respect Kenny until he was already hurt/vulnerable. Hawk is the better fighter, but came in arrogant and got caught with a shot. It happens alot in combat. if they fight 100 times hawk wins 99 of them. Hawk needed that loss to humble him and to realize that hes facing a formidable opponent and not just a little kid pushover Kenny. Hawks becoming a leader and that takes calming down and calculating, Not constantly changing character and evolving. the time of growing is coming to an end for Hawks character. He is fully developed. And has become a great character everyone can understand and respect. Just Hawk being selected to represent Miyagi Do is all of the character growth needed from him this season. He is now a captain of Miyagi do, that is not a small change. Less is more sometimes. Too much character transformation becomes 2 faced clown behavior.
I agree and one hint you can use as evidence was when Kenny and Hawk fought at the pool park. Hawk was getting too cocky when fighting against Kenny, dodging most of Kenny's attack. For a moment he was letting the title of Champ get to his head. I'll admit though it was still BS about the match but it was rigged from the beginning. I do hope Hawk/Eli and Demetri get some more screen time.
Yall get it
It wasn’t really a loss is it? Considering Anyone w half a working brain knows Kenny didn’t win and the match was fixed and nearly impossible for anyone else to win. The match was less about hawk “losing” more about Kenny embracing winning without dignity and self respect. Kenny is embracing the role of a young chozen. As wonderful season 5 was, this was by far worst fight of the entire series. This fight took place more so as an excuse for Tory to turn on cobra Kai. I don’t disagree w a nerf. It should have been at least tied on score before win by forfeit. Being down 2-0 to Kenny is exactly definition of nerf.
I honestly thought Hawk “peaked” at the house fight with his turn against the other cobras. Demetri kicked him into the trophy case, the Hawk come back to break Demetris arm, then his turned on cobras at Larusso house. That was dramatic enough but the creators took it a step father. Honestly it could have diminished Hawks character but no. It made him Twice as awesome. You made some valid points as for as Hawks maturity and leadership. We didn’t see a lot of Hawk but then again, we didn’t need to as many of us commenters are proving Season 5 absolutely had to cement Hawks legacy as a fan favorite.
A complete 360?
I understand they had to make Kenny improve but they buffed him way to much but I bet if Eli went all out he would’ve destroyed Kenny
Yeah I agree Eli was going easy on him because Robbie told him and that's the reason he lost but when season 6 comes Eli better get aggressive like in season 3 and season 4 during the tournament which I think he would and we cannot lie and say season 5 wasn't good it was good Robbie and Miguel becoming Brothers Eli and Dimitri teeming on Kyler Daniel using the karate kick from the movie on Silver Tori and Samantha teaming up and Tori being a mentor to Devon what more can you ask for
@@rayshawnhoward5068 yeah
Plus the ref was dirty and called off the fight without the 30 min recovery time or some amount like that
@@thomassumner6274 I totally agree with you but he was going to easy on Kenny because Robbie told him to hawk stop being aggressive because he didn't want to end up like silver or krease and remember what Robbie said to Hawk you attack me and Sam at the mall you broke Dimitri's arm you trash this entire dojo like he was reminding him he was a complete ass the only bad thing that Robbie did was he cut Hawk's hair he was holding back this season but when he went up against Kyler he was not holding back at all Kyler cannot defeat Hawk and I like the fact that Dimitri put him on his ass with that kick so yeah I really enjoyed season 5 I give it a 8/10
@@thomassumner6274 also he ate that punch was Kenny at the water park
A better way of having it would have been hawk getting points on kenny but being considered illegal moves and kenny being considered the winner. That way hawk would have been more nerfed. And yeah his story was finished, but they could have given him something
@@thomassumner6274 yeah either that or he could've cheated and pretended one of the sensei's was his student, hawk losing to one of the sensei's would've been more believable
Yeah. They should have shown it as Hawk being the better fighter but getting screwed out of the win. That would have made Sam overcoming the unfair competition seem much more impressive. Like if Hawk couldn't overcome the cheating vs a weaker opponent, it's a bigger deal for Sam to do it against a decent opponent.
Tbh I don’t think he got nerfed. I mean they came up with a technique that didn’t make him look weak if he lost. It can literally stop anybody and we seen that when kenny did it to robby. Nerfed would be if kenny flat out beat hawk. He’s my favorite character but tbh his story arc is done there’s no more growth for him to be done same with Dimitri. its also why they brought in devon and Kenny. I think sam/tori, and robby/kenny are the last of the kids storylines, maybe miggys redemption at the tournament
Hawk was nerfed. He went toe to toe with Robby in the tournament. They had to go to sudden death OT.
Robby Absolutely decimated Kenny while Toying with him. The silver bullet basically just knocked his breath out. Kinda dumb they couldn’t give him 5 minutes to recover. Kenny using it on Robby in the finale was just to cover it being used on Hawk. However Robby didn’t just fall in the fetal position and have to go crawl to a corner. He kept on fight though severely hindered to where Miguel had to come help him out.
@@td811 you seem to forget Hawk had a point stolen from him and the ref automatically disqualified him when he was hurt instead of giving him time. The first point Kenny scored was because Hawk was told to take it easy on him by Robbie. Hawk wasn't nerfed, he was cheated by Silver. The Silver Bullet was basically a lucky cheap shot. And Kenny was holding his own with Robbie during the brawl. If anything Kenny was overpowered. That's a fair criticism.
I agree. Hawk wasn't nerfed, he just wasn't the main focus of the season
Yeah but in order for Kenny to use the quicker silver punch he had to hit Hawk in the chest and score a point and score he did. Why was Kenny even landing them punches.
Ok but hawk in season four would easily block or dodge the punch
The silver bullet is only dangerous when it makes contact. Without contact, it’s just a normal punch
I think a big part of it was this being the adult characters’ season. This was about Daniel’s rivalry with Silver, and Johnny moving forward with Carmen and his new family. A part of that is Miguel and Robby uniting, which further sets up Johnny’s family. I think that was a pretty good aspect of the season. So much has been about the younger cast, which is great to set up new stories, but this is a legacy show so we do want to see more of the legacy characters. As long as they’re setting up a final arc of the Sekai Takai with a balance of the adult cast and younger cast stories then I think it will be fine. And Hawk will be a part of that, whatever plans they have for him.
Thank you!! I noticed this aswell. I hate when writers disrespect and changed characters without justification. It seems that winning the All Valley meant nothing in season four. Infact, in season 5 you would be forgiven in forgetting that he is the champion.
I think the factor on that was that myagi do lost overall, so Daniel initially shut the dojo down, and so hawk didn’t get that push as champion, i think it was part of them closing myagi do
I wouldn't say this was outright disresprct cause clearly they had a shred of care its just the problem is they don't know what to really do with him his character is basically done
@cky887 no, it’s called a character being nerfed
I agree they made it like hawk didnt actually win cause he was good he won cause Miguel quit and Robby wasn’t focused like that is so cheesy
You are acting Keene didnt have training.😂😂
Even Miguel won a tournament full of experienced karate practioner and he was a rookie.
I always viewed Kenny landing that punch on hawk at the pool as hawk just taking the punch showing Kenny just how out of his league he is but I see your point
Dude we literally see throughout the season that Kenny is nowhere near Eli besides speed, the only reason he lost was the Silver Bullet. It even took down Robby. The scene where Miguel stomps Kenny multiple times is an indication by the writers that "this is how it would go if Robby or Eli didn't hold back on Kenny".
Here’s a thing that can be done. When your character’s arc is complete and they are stable, when you character is comfortable with they are, you can have them be a mentor to someone else. And the opportunity was right here! With Anthony. Have your well-established and well-loved character use their experiences to help someone else. It would’ve been such a great storyline for Hawk. But oh well.
In season 6 Johnny should have Hawk and Robby doing breathing exersizes. Where one stands on the other's chest while the other is deep breathing in and out. Like Chun and Remo in that movie the big adventure. "if you do not breathe correctly you do not move correctly" "use the air, don't waste it" Then they both take that hit from Kenny again and it don't affect them at all.
100% AGREE!! Hawk got done real dirty by the writers in this season, there was NO WAY Kenny could've beaten the champ in a fight!!
The issue is that all the main characters are now on the same team. Would be nice to have some of these mains go to Cobra Kai or for Eagle Fang to split off. Without Silver, maybe Cobra Kai could be less of an antagonist even with Kreese (especially with us getting more sympathy for this character).
I think they need to introduce some impelling characters on Kreeses side. Right now its really only Devon and Kenny. Although it would be cool to see Kyler grow outside of his "punching bag" role, and maybe have a redemption arc.
@@yderga8707 Honestly, I think if Kyler was going to have a redemption arc, it should have been done maybe three seasons ago, especially since in season 1 he actually seemed like a real person. Unfortunately, every season he gets a little bit less intelligent and a little bit more like a drone that carries out the will of whatever big bad guy is at the forefront currently. At this point, I think the only way to give his character an arc would be for him to realize that maybe the whole karate thing isn't working out
@@jett3474 Yeah but in my opinion thats what makes him perfect for a redemption.
The reason the narritive doesn't take him seriously is because he's a typical jock thats overly confident and doesnt take karate seriously. In that respect he is realistic. I think getting his ass whooped by Kenny and after Hawk outright calling him a punching bag before Dmitri whooped his ass too, its the perfect setup for him to start training seriously, and honestly were running out of antagonists in Cobra Kai.
For everyone who thinks Kenny was too op this season, remember a few things. 1.) Hawk and Robby both held back. Hawk was wiping the floor with Kenny in the water park. Miguel didn’t hold back and Kenny wasn’t posing a threat to him whatsoever. 2.) The ref was scoring illegal points. 3.) The Silver Bullet move. 4.) Anytime Kenny won, it was due to surprise or illegal moves. 5.) And this is probably the one that most people don’t really think of, Kenny’s been at this for like 3 or 4 months max. This whole show takes place over the course of 1.5-2 years. If Miguel was good enough to win a Karate tournament after a few months, I think Kenny being as good as he is in season 5 isn’t too much of a stretch.
Miguel trained for 9 months before he won
I mean just look at his size 😂 just fuc#ing lift him and throw him or some sh#t
I knew it! I thought he was nerfed!
But some people were saying he wasn’t… I wish he wasn’t nerfed in S5
Redemption for hawk for next season please! He is such a talented fighter and would like to see him prove to everyone why he is an all valley champ
Hawk wasn’t nerfed, they just made Kenny overpowered so that he could fight him
you could look at it this way, but either way the end result is the same.
@@AysarAburrub kinda but since the ref was paid off even though Kenny could fight Hawk he wasn’t at his level and didn’t really beat him
“Look how the massacred my boy”
They should write Hawk as a mentor to bring Kenny back since they both have a similar bullied-turn-bully story.
This would have been a bad idea but imagine if Hawk and Robby switched their hairstyles from season 1 😂
Honestly eli would look good in s4 and 5 robby hair, but not 1 and 2💀
hawk is like ash ketchum in unova lmao
During the Kenny and hawk fight you can hear one of the guys from hawks team saying to use his height and reach advantage during the time out but that was until Kenny punched the wind out of him. At least that’s what I remember from memory I might be wrong 😅
I feel like they should’ve had a moment where Sam tries to fight Hawk to prove that she’s on the same level. In Season 5 we saw Sam’s internal struggles. A fight with Hawk should have been apart of that. I feel like both Hawk and Miguel should’ve have trained with her to motivate her and to give her reassurance.
Or they could’ve done what they are doing with Robby and Kenny and have Hawk be a mentor to Anthony. Not sure why the writers didn’t go for these two routes
that first storyline makes a ton of sense. sam had that vision of hawk with the trophy, daniel mentions how hawk was the reason why they came so close to winning the entire all valley. if hawk was actually arrogant again, sam wanting to fight him to prove she can be a champion woulda been great. then you can have sam more motivated and not focused on the past and hawk losing to kenny makes more sense bcos he gets humbled.
@@lourenzoooo yeah but that would just tear hawk down even more c'mon give the man a break he's taken enough L's in S2 he lost his girl and got kicked into a trophy shelf or sum and got smoked by Sam And Robby in the mall so don't say Sam never won fights against hawk.
In S3 the man is almost going down a dark path that he'll never be able to turn back from was peer pressured into breaking his best friends arm which is also a L for Demitri.
S4 was one of the most major L's he ever took bro got his mohawk which was his confidence cut off he's getting nerfed horribly and was depressed after getting his mohawk cut off.
The only dubs he took in S4 was getting his bitch back and winning the tournament which wasn't much of a W bc if Robby wouldn't have got distracted he would've took another L.
Onto S5 okay hawks Bearly in the episodes he's like a side character who's just there to be there he got his bitch back and his best friend right everything cool untill he gets picked to fight in that little tourney they had. Kenny one hits hawk and hawk goes down just like that now how did a kid who's been training for about 3 years lose to a 12 yr old looking kid who's been training for about a couple of months. major L.
As u can see he's been taking L's Alot so no if he gets beat by Sam that's just another major L Sam has BEEN proved she can beat hawk or atleast hold her own.
Only hawk? I think they completely forgot about how Daniel and Chouzen know how to use Pressure Points. Chouzen could’ve destroyed Silver in that last season in the pool scene.
He was mopping Silver but keep in mind he was drunk and got distracted by Johnny and Silver took advantage of the opening
In Hawk's defence, Robby told him to hold back, Silver bribed the ref again, and Kenny was using illegal moves. Hawk might as well have been fighting while blindfolded.
The only illegal move was the elbow down to the knee
@@td811 There's still the ref on Silver's payroll, and Robby telling Hawk to pull his punches.
Even if he didn’t hold back, it was clear Kenny was actually giving him a fight which is complete bullshit
No hawk is just not that great it seems he even got thrown around by kyler
@@arisen8721 what do you expect? He was fighting two other guys as well other than Kyler, he has tagged once at some point
yea i was wondering how hawk went from top dog to losing to kenny, but they didn't want the story line to end at that fight but instead with a big final episode. I feel like they could have written all of that better. hawk is top hawk, flying above the rest, let him kick ass
While I don’t think it was completely realistic that Kenny won, they didn’t nerf Eli. He’s held highly as equal to Miguel and Robby and he was playing with Kenny early on in the season. The writers did a lot to give reasons for his loss:
A) Him underestimating Kenny and being cocky when he saw he was his opponent B) Robby reminding him to have compassion and him going easy on him C) the Ref being bribed (which is how Kenny wasn’t disqualified and Eli didn’t get points) D) Kenny fighting dirty hurting his leg and using a single knuckle punch to the Solar Plexus.
Otherwise, Kenny’s still clearly below Robby and Miguel. Eli and Robby going easy on him and getting hit by dirty tactics are the only reason he can compete.
@WASD TUBE Thanks man. People are really overreacting and missing the point. I do hope Eli humbles him next season.
Specifically, I have a good idea in mind. The Silver Bullet is really just a punch to the solar plexus, but with a finger knuckle extended. It’s an old Okinawan Karate technique. Chozen can point it out and Eli can learn to counter it. Or Kenny just misses and hits Eli too high or low in the chest/ribs or abs instead, injuring his finger. Really dangerous move on both ends really.
Finally some good points!
It's actually kind of sad when you have to resort to dirty tactics just to have a chance against an opponent.
The part that was dumb to me was how kenny is somehow able to land a simple(also very telegraphed) punch to the mid section with a HUGE lead up on like what…3 of the best fighters in the show?
Season 5 was great but that part of it was ridiculous. After the last one i was just like…”come on now…”
I was pissed off when he got his Mohawk back. Moon literally told him “You’re more than just your haircut.” I mean, if anyone can pull it off, it’s him, but if he just had his normal hair throughout season 5, it would’ve made more sense. He’s found his balance, and realized he doesn’t need the mohawk to be a badass.
I'm kinda of the opposite opinion. I like that he kept his mohawk, its more of nod to the old Cobra Kai days under Johny. Part of the initial appeal of this show was seeing Cobra Kai's perspective, where sometimes what a person needs is an aggressive/direct approach instead of the constant sage-like advice that most other stories beat over your head. Don't get me wrong, Miagi-do's teachings are good as well, but not as interesting to me when compared to seeing how Cobra Kai's philosophy could help someone.
Makes me so sad bruh
The man himself.
The writers had no valid justification for humiliating hawk, there must be consequences for this
This was a Miguel season without any doubt.... They proved that Miguel is the best kid fighter in the show when he showed mercy to Robby again .... And the way Miguel just dropped Kenny on his ass was so satisyfing to watch.... Kenny was like jofferey from game of thrones this season.....
great point in work I hope you're correct and I agree but I see you did it for the old G's
The writers are treating Hawk like he is back in Season 2, taking L after L, getting tossed around by everybody, Hawk was the worst fighter in Season 2.
Exactly, the difference between season 2 and season 5 Hawk is that Hawk is the champion in season 5 while he was beaten by from some guy that came into Cobra Kai a few months ago. Season 2 Hawk was beaten by his = age at least.
So annoying how I keep seeing comments from Kenny stans denying they nerfed Hawk. Even with the mountain of evidence right in front of our faces. They actually believe Kenny just got that good that fast lol
The whole conflict with Miguel and his friends and Sam and her friends is an exact copy of Stranger Things season 3 where Mike and his friends are in the exact situation with El and her friends. Miguel even tries to buy her jewelry but its too expensive which is exactly what happened in Stranger Things.
stranger things copied a lot of things from many movies, it's not like buying a jewel to his girlfriend is a new thing
Stanger things copied lab rats since L has telekinesis. It copied teen wolf because both the finale villains look similar. It copied ghost busters because they have ghosts. It copied avengers because they both have a girl on the team.(to clarify all of that was a hyperbole. Thought that was obvious but you seem slow so want to make sure you understand) See, just because a show has a secne that's like another secne dosent man it copied something. Also haven't even watched stranger thing, I watched a few shorts about it and that's it. Seems like a trash show made for 9 year old girls. To each their own though
Hawk lost because he was going easy on Kenny and he didn’t fully uncage the Hawk when he says”No more Eli,It’s time to uncage the Hawk”(Hawk season 5 episode 8)
Reducing a characters role doesn’t mean they have to make him get bodied, the writers chose that decision because they’re annoying
I dont think it was in their intention to make the character look bad, i think they just wanted stuff to happen and unfortunately i dont think considered how the character would be perceived from that
I was kinda curious why they didn't do at least one scene with Dimitri and Yasmine.
Not really, wasn’t that storyline done?
They made hawk less aggresive, they made robby remorseful, and miguel is just doing his own thing.
Hawk would have murdered Kenny if plot armor was not against him
bro when he paused the face that was funny
The arcs felt really silent this season tbh and barely noticeable. Hawk's "That's life, you win some, you lose some but you gotta move on" could have been a big character moment for him but it's mitigated by the fact that hawk's a flat character this season. Hawk's story did feel like it shoukd be done but if he was really this "cocky" after winning the tournament, he should have gone through an arc where he learnt and accepted that quote he used. Robby's arc of fixing his bonds with everyone felt silent as hell, as he didn't exactly "change" through it, and felt like the exact same Robby from the end of season 4, minus befriending Miguel, Hawk and Sam again. Overall, most of these arcs feel like arcs you have to make up in your head in order to be great and i might get hate for this, but Stingray was the only real character that felt like he had a change with him suddenly saving Daniel and breaking his alliance with Silver
Not everyone needs a huge character moment, sometimes you just move on. That's the one thing I will say this show dose well. Showing what it is to let go of certain things and just let live, until something or someone comes back and pulls you back in. And also hawk imo has had so many scense from seasons 1 till last season I think he needs to take a bit of a break. Dudes back IA hurting from carrying the show.
I was saying this yesterday. Utter bollox how they made Kenny like that. Hawk was the best but had no role in this season. Get it right ffs!
Bert and Nate were never important, nor were Moon and Yasmine.
I'd say Eli and Demetri got pushed aside like Mitch, Kyler, Chris and Aisha.
6:04 goofy ahh hawk face
Nobody liked what they did with hawk in season 5,especially that bullshit with Kenny.
Not really I mean robby literally told him to go easy on him. He got injured before he could go all out, kenny got taught a move by silver one of the strongest character in the series, and the ref was bribed
The part with the advice in season5 episode 3 was actually funny and I quite liked it.
They should've just brought back Kenny's older brother, Shawn and be the one who beats Hawk.
He already gave robby some issues while being untrained. Plus his height and strength. If he learns cobra kai and can play dirty cause of his juvie experience, that would've been more believable for me
I agree. Watch this one: ruclips.net/video/eboWbTznneI/видео.html
Nerfed Hawk and Soyfaced Miguel were both enormous and disappointing steps backwards for those characters.
Kenny sucks and should never have been put on the power level of the main trio.
I would chalk it up to the focus being so heavily on the adult characters this season that they didn't invest as much thought into fleshing out the teens.
Season 5 was really more about the grown ups which i really liked
You're all acting like this is the first time he got nerfed. But do you remember the mall fight in season 2, when Hawk lost with another 4 Cobra Kais against just Sam and Robby? How did they lose so embarassing when Hawk could have beaten them both with Doug alone, if not for the plot armour? Or how does he lose against Demetri?
So, season 5 was the least where he got nerfed
People are acting like Hawk S2>Hawk S5 honestly 😭😭😭
@@LCELJWbros1154 who acts like that?
@@rareschorban936 people on RUclips say to me sometimes “Hawk S2 wins against Hawk S5 because he lost to Kenny and Hawk S2 is more aggressive😭”
I haven't rewatched this season yet as good as it was. Now that you mentioned it, they not only barely used Hawk, they totally downplayed him. They didn't even go into Moon forgiving him although we saw a few shots of them together
There’s a lot of story to cover, and honestly, I don’t see Hawk/Eli as a main character! His story is great, though it seemed rushed S3-S5
Robby got nerfed too😑
How
How did Robby get nerfed
Two Words Dojo Brawl gets wrecked until Miguel saves him
He got the wind knocked out of him then got jumped he didn’t get nerfed
@@ringwithahoodie that’s more than two words and also, is it now not okay for anyone to loose or get teamed up on from like 3 people anymore. Should characters always win?
I hate how hawk is nobody's favorite student like breh....Johnny offcourse chooses miguel over anyone....kreese chose robby over hawk/Eli and Daniel didn't get a choice in s4 although he went to visit robby at the market and there comes Eli winning the tournament 🦅....... bro chozen cmooooooooooooooooon!!!!!!!!!
9:15 it's not just a punch to the test, it's a punch to the diaphragm, right underneath the ribs, anyone gets hit in that spot will temporarily can't breath if the person that hit you is not holding back which in this case, Kenny was punching Hawk at that spot as hard as he could and it makes sense for Hawk to be temporrarily get his breath taken away
Their was a missed opportunity with Hawk in season 5. Hawk's character was mute, meaning toned down so much so that it defied logic as to who both Eli and Hawk are. His actions written in season 5 contradict all of his previous motivation and agendas. Hawk's story arc could've been way more interesting if they would've included the build up of him actually getting back with moon. Like for example looking pass Moon kissing hawk in season 4 she could've made him have to work at getting her back a little. It would've made the fans appreciate when the payoff of them actually being together again came instead of automatically writing them in as a couple in season 6. Moon could've gave him the Sam Larusso treatment in telling him that she liked him but she sees how karate is effecting the Valley and the monster that cobra Kai created in Eli and for that she just wants to take things slow. This would make him an Underdog again having fanboys and audiences watching Eli ironically enough like a hawk, with hopes waiting to see wether Moon would take him back or not. Also Eli could've made it clear that he was still done with karate as his mother and he himself notices the change that it has had on him, he could explain that he thought karate was helping him but it's actually hurting him and he felt so bad for betraying Demetri, as well as breaking his arm that he only returned to help Miyagi do win that last All valley tournament because of Demetri. This would make him even more fascinating of a character. Eli was a nerd and deep down under the outside of Hawk, lies a nerd in Eli whom watches Doctor who and geeks out over it. This could be used to further build on Hawk's character, whom is still a nerd at heart and is interested in focusing on his grades, scoring high on his SAT's and getting excepted into College. This makes sense from a logical perspective in regards to the character of Eli.
@Horror Hawk Their would've been plenty of time to tell the story of hawk and moon's resurgence as a couple, tieing it all up somewhere between the 3rd and 5th episode of season 5.
you need to get a hobby
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Hawk got trained by multiple and different sensei,he has both skill,physical and experience advantage,not to mention he's an amazingly written character,one of the best and most complex ones,Kenny(who they uselessly tried to valorise in season 5)was introduced only in season 4,in which he didn't even got much screen time,he has no background,no charisma,no psychological depth,and his change was too quick,wasn't well showed,told and developed,he got less than half of the experience that Hawk,Miguel and Robbie got,but still,he destroyed Hawk(like,dude for real?what the fuck??),it's just insane,yeah the referee was corrupt,yeah he fought dirty,but still,Hawk should've won the same way Sam did,easily,but the writers just magically made up the whole Silver bullet thing for the occasion,and made Eli really struggle against Kenny and even lost so badly, that's just bad writing,it still is the only complain I have but it's the worst thing possible as well,dogshit.
The silver bullet thing isn't made up, it's a solar plexus punch, anyone with literally any martial arts experience knows that, a solar plexus punch would knock anyone out, it doesn't matter how much experience u have, don't comment if u don't know what ur talking about
@@arlainecarinugan3703 No you don't know what ur talking about,I didn't said that martial art move doesn't exist in real life,I meant that the writers never, NEVER showed that until that episode because of plot reasons and forced bad writing,don't reply if you don't understand my comment.
"Your peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you"
This is one of the most epic ways to show how epic Daniel is his caught the silver bullet
This is what happens when you stretch what should have probably just been a 1-3 season show into 5 seasons, eventually you're left struggling to find things for all these characters to do, at this point Johnny and Daniel have completed their arcs and each taken down their respective enemies, the kids now all have come full circle, the only open ended thing here is Kreese and as far as season 6 goes, the only thing they could really add would be Julie Pierce or Jaden smith's character from the reboot but I'm pretty sure it's only going to be miyagi related stories.
That's one of the reasons I don't like Kenney. He can be a natural and a badass and all but at that age range 1 or 2 years makes a huge difference . You can't have him beating the older kids, specially not the champ just like that. I Also originally didn't like Robby ,Sam. Or Dimitri but for different reasons. Kenny seems like he's simply that good because of plot.
If miggy can beat up 4 dudes at a time in the cafeteria before his prime then why can't Kenny beat ONE older kid???
@@gargeluy3035 the Gary Stu fanboy has arrived, guys
@@gargeluy3035 bruh how can u compare kenny with miguel he is main character than kenny so it make sense
And about cafeteria fight at that time things were different though nobody knows karate except miguel unlike now where most of them know karate so he easily thrash them in time
Miguel is closer in age and size as his bullies, and he didn't beat the tournament champion at that point.
@@Cavpal calm down fanboi u a keyboard warrior
Well, the thing is the creators cant focus on 20 different characters story lines at once or the episodes would've been 20 years
7:05 I hated how quickly Hawk and Robbie became best buds that nudge each other on the shoulder.
Facts bro hawk should have beat Kenny I got so mad when Kenny won like let the man win for once.
Love the video and great analysis. I do disagree about the whole thing with Hawk/Dimitri “helping” Miguel, and Sam’s friends helping her. My interpretation was that it was SO much like every tired teen drama we have seen that it was intentional, to spoof it. That is how I saw it, and I thought it worked when u look at it that way. I mean the whole rest of the season these kids had shown so much maturity that it was more like a S1 or 2 thing to have that in there. So I think it was more for humor than serious.
True. It's a reminder that "hey, they're still kids" so I saw no issue with this.
That said, Kenny better turn good when we next see him
He was only nerfed because his character arch is done he was a nerd who was bullied then because then bullied then became the protector and got the girl of his dreams there isn’t much left for him but he only lost to Kenny because he was holding back
Y'all gotta realize this show became a joke, s1 was goated and should've been the road the series should've taken, s2 was good, but when netflix touched it it became just another teenage high-school drama, with cliche characters, unrealistic scenarios etc.
I wouldn't necessarily call Hawk nerfed, he's still on par with Robby and Miguel, the best of the boys. I will say I think Miyagi-do has made him more humble, controlled and reserved in a fight. We all know he would have snapped Kenny in two if he went all out right off the bat, just look what Robby did to him in the All Valley, then remember Hawk beat Robby fair and square. But learning Miyagi-do made him less impulsive, something Kenny was able to exploit, on top of the crooked ref.
I’ve always thought that Hawk should’ve stayed with Cobra Kai and rivaled Miguel and Robby. Hawk had the perfect personality and killer instinct that Silver wanted. Cobra Kai S5 lacked a fighter to rival the good guys, Miguel and Robby. This season had guys like Miguel and Hawk sitting in the background with no story going forward.
I get that the writers wanted to give Robby somebody to mentor, but Kenny effectively took over Hawk’s spot as the kid that was bullied into the one that does bullying.
Or at the least bring in an actual threat…Shawn Payne anyone
@Mr. Knight
Kenny is not on Hawk’s level. But I get it, the writers and director wanted to feed somebody to Kenny, and that’s not going to be Miguel or Robby…so that leaves Hawk.
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I thought they would bring in Shaun for S5, definitely a missed opportunity. There was nobody from Cobra Kai to rival Miguel, Robby, or Hawk. Kyler is a joke. Kenny is barely a teenager. There was just no threat.
@Mr. Knight that take it easy on him line was so quick. It felt like a cop out too. It made no sense that Hawk would listen to Robby. It made no sense that Robby would ask that of Hawk. Hey man you beat me fair and square in OT. I think you should fight kenny. But take it easy on him. Even though the only point he scored on me in the tournament was because I took it easy on him. After that I toyed with him and beat him fast and hard 1,2,3. I can appreciate Robby didn’t want kenny to get hurt. But he had no reason to think Hawk at this point in the series would be looking hurt him. They are trying to beat out Cobra Kai for a spot in this big tournament. The line was dumb , cheap and a cop out just so we as the audience would buy Hawk losing.
Na it wouldve made more sense if Robby had stayed in cobra kai cause Miguel and Hawk stayed bestfriends no matter what but neither of them liked Robby even when Miguel squased things w him Hawk still hated him. Robby and kenny couldve been the main ones rivaling Miguel and Hawk. Or Robby and Sean vs Miguel and Hawk.
kenny got hurt from his punch on hawk than hawk did in the waterpark
I didn’t know Sikver Bullet was a part of Quick Silver I think Terry would teach young Daniel that cause I remember he only showed him the 3 rules Man can’t stand A man can’t see and A man can’t breath he can’t fight
I loved the video but didn't think Hawk got nerfed and I actually think he had more to do this season then last. Other than coming in clutch to win for the boys at the All Valley he just another background character the whole season. Hawk from the beginning of 4x1 didn't feel like the same character from the end of 3x10.
I hated Hawk not just losing to kenny but the way he did. As you said they tried to set it up earlier in the season and even during the match. It just made no sense and I found unbelievable. To me this was worse than him getting kicked by Dimitri in the school. At least with that you could say Hawk was tired and caught off guard because hey Dimitri himself was caught off guard based on how things had been going for him that season with training. I can accept Kenny training a lot and hard but he’s not on Hawks level. They weren’t gonna have Robby or Miguel lose to him. But they needed a guy to lose because they were gonna have Sam win. This whole thing just felt like the writers were like hey let’s have a do over of the tournament because of all the controversy of A bribed ref. They were like let’s flip it around like some kind of alternate timeline. Also, the big problem for cobra Kai they have no big bad young guy. Kenny is new and up and coming. Kyler is a joke.
All the trash talk to hall made no sense in any of the episodes. Tory and Kyler have seen what Hawk can do. They’ve seen him destroy Brucks. They saw or know he broke Dimitri’s Arm. The lack of respect found unbelievable. The writers tried to balance things with lines like you win some you lose some. Move on. Which is true. It just felt like a cop out because they know it wasn’t gonna go over well.
Also unbelievable Kenny is okay with cheating on behalf of Tory but sees the video of Silver about bribing the ref and is the first one to throw his shirt on Silver. Same with kyler. Again it sort of works because we’ve had Robby saying things to Kenny. And kyler had just gotten words from Hawk and then Kicked by Dimitri. It still didn’t feel right or make sense. As you’ve said it’s what the show needed to happen especially so the shirts could be thrown on Silver as a call back to the movie.
Remember in Rocky III: Rockys 10 title defense were against opponents Mickey handpicked.
They didnt want to make him Overpowered.
it wasnt a hit to the chest, it was a hit to the solar plexus and that distinction makes a hell of a lot of difference.The solar plexus, when hit, will knock the wind out of 99% of people regardless of their fighting experience.
There’s also the fact it’s not a simple punch he’s using the joints of his finger to maximize speed and damage, making it even worse. Idk why he downplayed it to a punch to the chest
I think hawk should have gotten a mentoring arc. He can really relate to Kenny and I think in s6 he should forgive Kenny and now mentor him
honestly the ref getting bribed made me so mad bro
Feel like season 6 is when hawk and Dimitri will be bumped up lots next season
The first mistake this season made was giving Hawk his mohawk back. I know the mohawk is his signature but symbolically he’s grown past it.
Also, in my opinion, Kenny wasn’t buffed all that much. His desire to win is significantly greater than everyone else’s right now. At this point, all the guys have already proven their self-worth, but Kenny is still proving his.
Also, let’s be honest here . Daniel’s months of training beat Johnny’s years of training in karate kid.
No. Johnny was the better fighter In kk1 its just logical and Makes sense. Daniel was the Protagonist so he had to win no matter what..chosen was Mike were also better fighters than Daniel but he still won due to Balance and all that Crap. Johnny has always been a better fighter and he proved it when. Daniel had to used Pressure points and Johnny still counters.
@@robtheservantof6257 What are you saying no to? I never said Johnny was less skilled. it’s illogical that Daniel was even competitive at the All-Valley is the point I’m trying to make. He made Kenny possible.
@@robtheservantof6257 huh! wtf🤣🤣
I agree. I would've either like his mohawk to stay green instead of going back to blue or have Eli stay with his natural hair. His hair ep1-7 looked nice. His blue hair looked pretty strange imo if they really wanted him to have his mohawk they should've stayed with green.
@@Laskoeditzz yea I liked it just the natural color honestly. Kinda like the end of episode 8 beginning of 9.
They needed a strong black character cause diversity and forced Kenny into that role with bullshit writing. He’s a Gary Stu character with plot armor, and it sucks.
Edit: people are afraid of calling things as they are which is weird as this is abundant in modern shows. There’s also no problem when it’s done correctly, but the execution is what’s lacking here with Kenny. Cobra Kai had one prominent black character in Aisha and she’s effectively gone, the show runners and Netflix clearly pigeon holed Kenny in for that reason and that reason is why he’s suddenly super karate master. It’s bad writing, don’t be afraid of calling it what it is.
I know right! as soon as a black character wins a fight then out comes the racism! Love it.
@@From_Here_To_Here its not about black racism
If shawn win against hawk it make sense though bcz he is good fightee but this kenny who has less experience and no strength beating hawk is shit
@@From_Here_To_Here You're the poster child for the entitled snowflake abusing the race card. I'm just surprised that you're the only one replying.
Kenny got that plot armor
People are really worried how Kenny became good in 1 year.
While Hawk, Miguel and Keene entered their FIRST all valley tournament already a BEAST. And they beat long 2 year experienced karate practioners hilarious.
Facts.
The best direction for Hawk to go now is where they have Robby in regards to Kenny. Having him teach someone to let go of as aggression. Probably would've been best for Anthony to reach out to Hawk or something