We don't need tuning, especially for abilities that no one uses. The whole PVP system needs a big overhaul, starting with MMR. The biggest turn off are the long queues.
@@t.ydunston2251 That's obviously the solution for myself personally & the short-term. But we shouldn't be pigeon-holed into playing something we don't want to, just to actually 'be able to play the game'. Maybe I'm having a blast playing the class I'm on and wish to continue. I don't necessarily just want to arena for the sake of arena'ing. I want to do so on the class & playstyle that I'm enjoying. Waiting for people to hop on a healer isn't exactly a viable solution. (To be honest, I usually main healers, so it is something I will likely do... but I'm new to Arena this season & was enjoying getting my toes wet on dps first to learn the basics before getting the full toxic hate train as a healer - until I become a baller anyways. )
@ well stop crying. I play healer I like it so I get what you saying. But people not playing healers isn’t a game issue it’s a toxic community issues. You will get flamed faster at 14-1800 then you will at 2.1-2.4. You know why they know stuff happens and it’s not always the healers fault.
@@pureintention9875right, I guess the multiple rank 1 players saying MMR is broken must be just bad players that need to improve. Why don’t you go teach all the R1 players how to play the game
@@SIIKAP1 Play your game. Just because a streamer tells you "don't play" doesn't mean I'm not going to play. You have to ignore what others say more and try harder yourself
having 4 of 7 healers in S tier seems pretty nuts. Using more tiers and separating them out more would be a lot more interesting and helpful. I don't think many would argue MW and Pres are the same tier as Disc and Hpal. Bumping those 2 down to A+ would probably be more accurate?
I wanna say thank you to skill cap, i had a hard word, but just by watching on u tube i got 1800 with five classes, i'm from brasil and i never thought i could do this. i woulb be glad to learn more i i dont have a credit card. I plan to post a vidio with all classes i got 1800.
Buffs that happend that they forgot to put in the patch notes but was recently added to the patch notes as of now and that is Hunter Beast Mastery Dark Ranger: Bleak Powder damage increased by 40% Marksmanship Dark Ranger: Bleak Powder damage increased by 65%. and Monk Windwalker Fists of Fury damage increased by 50% in PvP combat.
Few buffs and nerfs cant save wow pvp anymore. They need to change the whole system, make MMR better, switch to a iron-diamond system, stop with the massive long queues and do tuning more frequently, every 2 weeks, get rid of micro cc and buff Big cc so we are not playing mythic plus in pvp. This patch is a joke
What do you want Blizzard to do to fix the queues? That when you log in with your account it won't let you click on a DPS and forces you to play as a healer? League of legends one of the most played games in the world the same thing happens.. Nobody wants to play support.. The difference is that in LOL there are millions of people playing. In wow there are much less people playing
@shaoran27 then it tells you the wow system is failed. They need to adapt to the new world or the game will keep getting less and less people. I mentioned multiple stuff that needs fixing and you only focused on one. They could literally make a mode and balance it where healers sre not necessary
@@rodrigofreitas1316 Let healers be there among the dps, that'll get people mad when healers always win 6 matches and then more healers will join, easy!
@@rodrigofreitas1316 That's impossible. Using League of Legends as an example again... Not all heroes are balanced. Some work better with other heroes than they do alone. That's why the game has never been balanced based on a 1 vs 1 since day one 50 years ago. A warrior without a healer is just a minion, a warrior with a healer is very hard to kill. No MMO will ever be balanced. I remember games like Blade and Soul. The arenas were amazing, 1 vs 1 or tag team. And even though there was "some balance" people were crying all day because this class easily beat that class and things like that.
"PvP is frustrating" (intro quote) due to having to sit in queue's for 30 minutes. Love the game, love playing. Don't love - NOT - playing and twiddling my game for 90% of the night.
I feel like I barely care about the balance right now, when I can't even play the game without falling asleep waiting for queue's to pop. Fix that, then fix the balance. Which likely involves more along revamping the MMR system & incentives (Something in particular to punish healers less. Hell, make it 3dps and 2 healers per team so it's not all on one person and the healers get shuffled each match ... + ramp up the dampening and/or starting dampening to compensate. I dunno, it's time for 'out of the box' thinking, as these queue times kill it so much). Actually my first season PvP'ing and love it, but it's hard to push rating when the initial queue takes so long. Then if you have a bad round, you're literally set back an hour+ at times.... to recover the rating you lost +/- getting ahead.
The reason for your long que time is due to lack of healers. I used to be a die hard pvp healer main. But I don't do pvp anymore . Endless CC followed by ridiculous burst ,class imbalance,as well as dampening. Well if everyone prefer to have a healing reduction effect in your arena. Then what do you need a healer for ?
Literally faced 2 teams that had a Rank 1 player at 1900 mmr in a 1 hour session tonight. This is after weeks of constantly facing multi glads at 1800-1900 mmr. Its kind of depressing to play tbh
Yes they have fixed the fundamental issues with the game by adjusting some percentage values. The waves of people are flooding in desperate to see what 30% more damage on fists of fury feels like
It's so weird to me I see these comments all the time but why are so many of you people interacting with the game / watching videos if you really think this? It's kinda weird how desperate some people are to make others believe a game is unpopular. Like... Ok? What is ur point? Why are you here lol?
I watch videos about abandoned games that no one plays and then leave comments to nobody about how the game is abandoned and nobody plays it. I'm epic AF.
elemental stormbringer needs only 1 change: make stormkeeper work with tempest. I can't tell you the number of times i casted stormkeeper, spamming lightning bolt while moving, only to see that i have the tempest proc activated, and i need to sit and cast temspest first, to let loose the 2 instant bolts....
@@leozord1 What do you need to play? A nice mount? A pet that says good morning when you log in? My friend just play if you like the gameplay and tries to get as high a rating as you can and that's it. If you get bored go to another game and come back after a while.
@@shaoran27 my biggest issue in retail is when I pick healer to have less of a Que time for PvP and still have to wait 30 minutes to find a game. I refuse to sit around and do nothing waiting 30 minutes to play the game. Can anyone tell me another game where you have to wait thirty minutes to play? It’s outrageous.
Who cares, it’s impossible to climb. All is pointless if 3:3 gives 0, 4:2 awards 15-23 and 2:4 deducts 50-52. One unfortunate lobby can set you back days of progress. And if you get 1:5 or 0:6, might as well just quit
@@neverloved228 you have to be a carry to climb. Years of PvP experience. Only 15% depends on you in a shuffle. So unless you’re crushing it, you will stay 1600-1900 forever, because it’s impossible to carry with low - medium exp. It’s a problem. This system is trash.
Also depends what class u play. If you play survival hunter you have near complete control on when the match is over, vs. Something like fury warr u just hit stuff and don't have much influence beyond that
@ up until tryhard ratings(2.1k+) big dam wins. Team that does more dps wins 90% of the time, spending globals on cc is detrimental, healers are bloated with saves and comebacks. But high constant pressure is what matters. So yeah brainless fury is easier and more fun to play than something with high skill cap. Perfect example is outlaw, it’s useless at lower rating and only shines on 2200+ where the team actually sees what’s going on. Altho outlaw has control, 300k dps won’t win much games pre-2100
Guess what comes after big buffs? Exactly! Really big nerfs. It will take some time for them to figure out what is neat and fun to play atm, and then.. kablootz!!!
I faced a devoker yesterday. 1 button. Slows me down to where im walking. 1 mil dps. Castable while moving. No CD on it... he did 105 mil i did 35 mil on fury warrior. Im not the best but im 2k+. Its insane how OP it is vs melee
Ferals must only be good in the hands of legit rank 1 players, because i tried one out for awhile and it just felt wonky, and i dont fear them at all when playing my shaman or hunter they are almost always my kill target in bgs or shuffle and i almost always see them as a free kill. Kinda wild to me they are considered the best melee by far. I mean i believe it just never ran into a good one at my ratings around 2kish
this youtube channels looks like weird, they make feral as a S tier class, better download wow arena logs and see thats feral has 44-46% winrate at solo shuffle when both other dps have 50% winrate chance, feral sux , might be good only at 2.2k+ raiting
Get rid of addons in rated pvp. Pvp is in a better place combat wise than it has been in alot of seasons. There is very few instances where people get globaled when we had entire xpacs with stupid and unfun burst. But rated pvp needs more cosmetic rewards in my opinion and not just for high rated pvp, casuals needs incentives to get in and Q. If you added decent arena frames and banned addons in pvp I believe it would do alot for the scene.
600 rating being thrown into 1800 lobbies is an issue. Thankfully I’m used to playing at that MMR, but I can’t imagine the experience for newer players 😬
Just not worth, the ppl playing wow arena play non stop, know every class in and out. New players are sheeps in a forest of wolfs. Nobody sits weeks in queue to get stomped 100s of games to „learn“
Blizz dont care about PVP they do just enough to fool players into thinking they do so they keep that 5-10% of the player base who PVP's hanging on like a junkie itching for there next hit
Look pvp is messed up atm. Look played my ww 11 games in blitz won 1 time switched to mw destroyed my first game. They need weed out bots or lost players in blitz and put them against other teams with no wins.
So long as BM remains what it is, the meta will be trash. Making the easiest, most auto-pilot spec in history the strongest in PvP is a massive slap in the face to everyone who plays.
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We don't need tuning, especially for abilities that no one uses. The whole PVP system needs a big overhaul, starting with MMR. The biggest turn off are the long queues.
So heal….
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@@brian-wood so heal lil man heal!!!
@@t.ydunston2251 That's obviously the solution for myself personally & the short-term. But we shouldn't be pigeon-holed into playing something we don't want to, just to actually 'be able to play the game'. Maybe I'm having a blast playing the class I'm on and wish to continue. I don't necessarily just want to arena for the sake of arena'ing. I want to do so on the class & playstyle that I'm enjoying. Waiting for people to hop on a healer isn't exactly a viable solution. (To be honest, I usually main healers, so it is something I will likely do... but I'm new to Arena this season & was enjoying getting my toes wet on dps first to learn the basics before getting the full toxic hate train as a healer - until I become a baller anyways. )
@ well stop crying. I play healer I like it so I get what you saying. But people not playing healers isn’t a game issue it’s a toxic community issues. You will get flamed faster at 14-1800 then you will at 2.1-2.4. You know why they know stuff happens and it’s not always the healers fault.
as long as mmr is still cocked nothing is fixed
Mmr is fine just improve
@@pureintention9875right, I guess the multiple rank 1 players saying MMR is broken must be just bad players that need to improve. Why don’t you go teach all the R1 players how to play the game
@@SIIKAP1 Play your game. Just because a streamer tells you "don't play" doesn't mean I'm not going to play. You have to ignore what others say more and try harder yourself
@@SIIKAP1 avg bgblitz player crashout
@@shaoran27 who says i’m not playing? I’m perfectly content where i’m at in the game…..
having 4 of 7 healers in S tier seems pretty nuts. Using more tiers and separating them out more would be a lot more interesting and helpful. I don't think many would argue MW and Pres are the same tier as Disc and Hpal. Bumping those 2 down to A+ would probably be more accurate?
Taking one look at the rep at high ratings should make this abundantly clear.
I wanna say thank you to skill cap, i had a hard word, but just by watching on u tube i got 1800 with five classes, i'm from brasil and i never thought i could do this. i woulb be glad to learn more i i dont have a credit card. I plan to post a vidio with all classes i got 1800.
Buffs that happend that they forgot to put in the patch notes but was recently added to the patch notes as of now and that is
Hunter Beast Mastery Dark Ranger: Bleak Powder damage increased by 40%
Marksmanship Dark Ranger: Bleak Powder damage increased by 65%.
and Monk Windwalker
Fists of Fury damage increased by 50% in PvP combat.
Few buffs and nerfs cant save wow pvp anymore. They need to change the whole system, make MMR better, switch to a iron-diamond system, stop with the massive long queues and do tuning more frequently, every 2 weeks, get rid of micro cc and buff Big cc so we are not playing mythic plus in pvp. This patch is a joke
They can’t make people heal. I’m sure it’s people like you why not many healers q.
What do you want Blizzard to do to fix the queues? That when you log in with your account it won't let you click on a DPS and forces you to play as a healer? League of legends one of the most played games in the world the same thing happens.. Nobody wants to play support.. The difference is that in LOL there are millions of people playing. In wow there are much less people playing
@shaoran27 then it tells you the wow system is failed. They need to adapt to the new world or the game will keep getting less and less people. I mentioned multiple stuff that needs fixing and you only focused on one. They could literally make a mode and balance it where healers sre not necessary
@@rodrigofreitas1316 Let healers be there among the dps, that'll get people mad when healers always win 6 matches and then more healers will join, easy!
@@rodrigofreitas1316 That's impossible. Using League of Legends as an example again... Not all heroes are balanced. Some work better with other heroes than they do alone. That's why the game has never been balanced based on a 1 vs 1 since day one 50 years ago. A warrior without a healer is just a minion, a warrior with a healer is very hard to kill. No MMO will ever be balanced.
I remember games like Blade and Soul. The arenas were amazing, 1 vs 1 or tag team. And even though there was "some balance" people were crying all day because this class easily beat that class and things like that.
"PvP is frustrating" (intro quote) due to having to sit in queue's for 30 minutes. Love the game, love playing. Don't love - NOT - playing and twiddling my game for 90% of the night.
I feel like I barely care about the balance right now, when I can't even play the game without falling asleep waiting for queue's to pop. Fix that, then fix the balance. Which likely involves more along revamping the MMR system & incentives (Something in particular to punish healers less. Hell, make it 3dps and 2 healers per team so it's not all on one person and the healers get shuffled each match ... + ramp up the dampening and/or starting dampening to compensate. I dunno, it's time for 'out of the box' thinking, as these queue times kill it so much). Actually my first season PvP'ing and love it, but it's hard to push rating when the initial queue takes so long. Then if you have a bad round, you're literally set back an hour+ at times.... to recover the rating you lost +/- getting ahead.
The reason for your long que time is due to lack of healers. I used to be a die hard pvp healer main. But I don't do pvp anymore . Endless CC followed by ridiculous burst ,class imbalance,as well as dampening. Well if everyone prefer to have a healing reduction effect in your arena. Then what do you need a healer for ?
Queue as healer and get fast queue
Literally faced 2 teams that had a Rank 1 player at 1900 mmr in a 1 hour session tonight. This is after weeks of constantly facing multi glads at 1800-1900 mmr. Its kind of depressing to play tbh
I've been waiting for pvp to be "saved" for 10 years. The answer is NO. I'll let the vid play muted in the background tho.
So true
Yes they have fixed the fundamental issues with the game by adjusting some percentage values. The waves of people are flooding in desperate to see what 30% more damage on fists of fury feels like
Its 50% now, I know I am 😎
Is the fundamental issue you just not being very good at the game?
There are like 100 dudes left who fight each other on alts are the only one left playing this abandoned game called wow pvp
It's so weird to me I see these comments all the time but why are so many of you people interacting with the game / watching videos if you really think this? It's kinda weird how desperate some people are to make others believe a game is unpopular. Like... Ok? What is ur point? Why are you here lol?
I watch videos about abandoned games that no one plays and then leave comments to nobody about how the game is abandoned and nobody plays it. I'm epic AF.
@@pxkdrake big true, a very strange phenomenon which I only see with wow videos
Do we need the new Ring for pvp?
elemental stormbringer needs only 1 change: make stormkeeper work with tempest. I can't tell you the number of times i casted stormkeeper, spamming lightning bolt while moving, only to see that i have the tempest proc activated, and i need to sit and cast temspest first, to let loose the 2 instant bolts....
No, it's not saved, not even close. MMR is still broken, Q time is still weeks long. Back to hardcore we go
Back to leveling to 60 then being bored again
Yeah 15 days of game time played later
Class changes are not even the problem, zero incentive to play
@@leozord1 What do you need to play? A nice mount? A pet that says good morning when you log in? My friend just play if you like the gameplay and tries to get as high a rating as you can and that's it. If you get bored go to another game and come back after a while.
@@shaoran27 my biggest issue in retail is when I pick healer to have less of a Que time for PvP and still have to wait 30 minutes to find a game. I refuse to sit around and do nothing waiting 30 minutes to play the game. Can anyone tell me another game where you have to wait thirty minutes to play? It’s outrageous.
It's pretty insane to finally see enhancement up in A tier.
3:25 You missed the follow up additional buffs to Fists that went in like yesterday.
i am already playing destro diabolist at its so good
Is it ? I play afflic Is it better ?
Who cares, it’s impossible to climb. All is pointless if 3:3 gives 0, 4:2 awards 15-23 and 2:4 deducts 50-52. One unfortunate lobby can set you back days of progress. And if you get 1:5 or 0:6, might as well just quit
Skill issue, if u good u always climb
@@neverloved228 you have to be a carry to climb. Years of PvP experience. Only 15% depends on you in a shuffle. So unless you’re crushing it, you will stay 1600-1900 forever, because it’s impossible to carry with low - medium exp. It’s a problem. This system is trash.
@@304enjoyer3 as i said, if u play above avarage u have no problem hitting 2k+
Also depends what class u play. If you play survival hunter you have near complete control on when the match is over, vs. Something like fury warr u just hit stuff and don't have much influence beyond that
@ up until tryhard ratings(2.1k+) big dam wins. Team that does more dps wins 90% of the time, spending globals on cc is detrimental, healers are bloated with saves and comebacks. But high constant pressure is what matters. So yeah brainless fury is easier and more fun to play than something with high skill cap. Perfect example is outlaw, it’s useless at lower rating and only shines on 2200+ where the team actually sees what’s going on. Altho outlaw has control, 300k dps won’t win much games pre-2100
what is wild card?
Guess what comes after big buffs? Exactly! Really big nerfs. It will take some time for them to figure out what is neat and fun to play atm, and then.. kablootz!!!
Back to melee zugzug meta
Are these live now?
Yes
They Nerfed Augmentation but buffed devastation? Ive topped damage in Dev and had no idea what my rotation was.
I faced a devoker yesterday. 1 button. Slows me down to where im walking. 1 mil dps. Castable while moving. No CD on it... he did 105 mil i did 35 mil on fury warrior. Im not the best but im 2k+. Its insane how OP it is vs melee
Ferals must only be good in the hands of legit rank 1 players, because i tried one out for awhile and it just felt wonky, and i dont fear them at all when playing my shaman or hunter they are almost always my kill target in bgs or shuffle and i almost always see them as a free kill. Kinda wild to me they are considered the best melee by far. I mean i believe it just never ran into a good one at my ratings around 2kish
FFS we don't need tunning; we need a system overhaul. Unironically this is the best balance we've had in a long time.
Pls guys make mixed Tier lists not separate (exept healers, they can go separate)!
so they dont want to touch endless crowd controls...
indirect buff to druid?
Fix mmr and queue times
mmr already fixed, i push my 3rd class to 2400 no problems
queue as healer and queue times problem solved
this youtube channels looks like weird, they make feral as a S tier class, better download wow arena logs and see thats feral has 44-46% winrate at solo shuffle when both other dps have 50% winrate chance, feral sux , might be good only at 2.2k+ raiting
It’s okay guys MOP classic is coming. We can finally have true PvP back
Nops😂
@ yes
Get rid of addons in rated pvp. Pvp is in a better place combat wise than it has been in alot of seasons. There is very few instances where people get globaled when we had entire xpacs with stupid and unfun burst. But rated pvp needs more cosmetic rewards in my opinion and not just for high rated pvp, casuals needs incentives to get in and Q. If you added decent arena frames and banned addons in pvp I believe it would do alot for the scene.
Lol DH is bricked until they fix Cycle of Hatred, our eye beam isn't being reduced in cooldown by blade dance/chaos strike since patch today...
Subtley is finished thanks blizz
I’m the monk getting one shot in the first clip :)
Classes like BM hunter that are brainless being S+ tier and not getting touched sucks. Survival being good is fine, it’s skillful
600 rating being thrown into 1800 lobbies is an issue. Thankfully I’m used to playing at that MMR, but I can’t imagine the experience for newer players 😬
1800 is low as fuck. Even new players can play there
@ Congrats on contributing absolutely nothing. Here’s this, I guess ⭐️
Yeah as a new player behind tossed in 1900 mmr lobbies i can confirm this is rough
What are you talking about? (Every new person in wow these days) The five us on this game btw
one shuffle as MM hunter i can tell you we have the juice again....
(be afraid mages)
Mmr?
You forgot to explain how ferals are buffed.
You confused me.
Holy Paladin bug fix was a buff to Feral Druid since they could heal while in Cyclone.
@skillcappedwowpvp i still dont get it
Ain't no way frost are that high up, literally every counter class is super buffed now that mages can't play shit
BM needs no nerf. It's a noob slayer spec. At higher rating players know how to counter the spec.
fury and prot is getting nerfed hard in 11.1 patch
What is this??? Augmentation? Aug have a good burst oneshot but not this in the video XD
Just not worth, the ppl playing wow arena play non stop, know every class in and out. New players are sheeps in a forest of wolfs. Nobody sits weeks in queue to get stomped 100s of games to „learn“
This is the trend for unholy dk unfortunately for the last few expansions now
MMR still bad. Like im happy for the arms buffs. But winning shuffle feels so bittersweet.
2v2 is almost instant
No its not. Even League of Legends has a better mmr system
For once in what feels like ever balance isnt whats cooking wow pvp
Blizz dont care about PVP they do just enough to fool players into thinking they do so they keep that 5-10% of the player base who PVP's hanging on like a junkie itching for there next hit
Unsubbed to wow a month ago. The game is cooked for pvp
Stop re-releasing the same videos
Look pvp is messed up atm. Look played my ww 11 games in blitz won 1 time switched to mw destroyed my first game. They need weed out bots or lost players in blitz and put them against other teams with no wins.
fix mmr
So long as BM remains what it is, the meta will be trash. Making the easiest, most auto-pilot spec in history the strongest in PvP is a massive slap in the face to everyone who plays.
As a hunter main for 18 years, I approve this message.
WE NEED SHADOWLANDS PVP BACK
no, legion and Mop were peak.
Nah like actually, looking back at shadowlands looks so fun. single target combat no aoe garbage, and no bloat from 30 buffs and debuffs
@@_bm1tv thats what i mean but blizzard keeps listening to garbage pvpers that Say that dampening pve aoe shit is fun
@@Jason26k plz shup up
@@dabiun7443 yeahh that is the opposite of fun , straight pve 😂
Lose the hype music
Arcane mage su*k in solo shuffle but no buffs :(
i don't know how frost mage is a+ when Im melting from aff or sp. Boomiy and ele 1 shot me if I m not careful.
DH buffs are a joke.
Who gives a shit about Mmr fix the game make it fun again. Better yet delete retail and make classic plus. Game sucks since mop
Unplayeable pvp, or you play Broken spec or you lose
skill capped as usual knows 0 about pvp
Fix the game by removing healers since nobody wants to heal
Ever since I bought skill capped I lost rating 🥲