Hello everyone! A few weeks ago, I noticed my wife was reading the Steve Jobs biography. A voice in my head said "hey, he worked for Atari didn't he?" This prompted us to make an episode all about it! As always, if you learned something, please share! Big episode coming in a few weeks.
Gaming Historian to be honest i find Steve Wozniak more interesting, the guy used to write programs in machine language and at the same time was the most naive and nice guy in the world, he is really something special. Great video though.
Gaming Historian your research and videos are above standard. Such a shame to wait on such interesting content but man is it a treat when it does launch. This was a good one, thank you.
@@jonathangoodman9089 I had no idea jobbs was such a douche when he was younger lol. & then he NEVER even fessed up & apologized? Like come on man. Hes the one who made him do it in only 4 days because he wanted that money asap.
3:55 "And occasionally inviting his friend, Steve Wozniak over to help him with the more technical aspects of the job." In other words, Jobs invited Woz over to do his work for him (which Jobs was incapable of doing) and then screwed him (Woz) out of his hard earned money for finishing the job. Between that, and denying Lisa as his paternal daughter, Steve Jobs was a disgusting example of a human being.
Norm is very much misrepresenting this point. Woz never claimed to have done all of Jobs' work for him. Jobs' main duty was sautering and wire-wrapping, stuff which is usually already laid out by other technical staff (the specific individual in this case being Don Lang).
Cala Content Jobs was 19 and was poor. Woz who was 5 years older was already an engineer for HP. In addition, Jobs worked for Atari - Woz didn't. So whatever payment that Jobs received, it was technically all his. Jobs told Woz to split the payment half and half, which he did, but he never mentioned splitting the bonus. It is dishonest but really not that big of a deal. I find it funny that Woz only learned about it 10 years later when he was already a multimillionaire. If he had learnt it sooner, he wouldn't partner with Jobs, and Woz would be just a nobody because there would be no Apple.
@@alphazar And Jobs would be an unemployable guy probably living in a van in Santa Monica pretending at being a religious guru. People talk about Woz getting screwed because Jobs rode his talent and only became what he was because of Wozniak. Without the man Jobs would be what he was, a know nothing flash in the pan loud mouth that could only get by on luck and flash.
I've always wondered why people have represented Steve as a good person when he obviously was not. Any man that would screw a friend over like this is not someone who I would want in my life.
silicon valley does a good job at lambasting the character of steve jobs in gavin belson. megalomania, deception, pettiness and pretentiousness. steve jobs may have been a "dreamer," but it all stops there. asshole never built anything!!! the woz was the real genius behind the reemergence of apple.
I don't hate Jobs for being as self entitled hippie that lied his way through life, I hate him for what he did to Wonzniak. Wozniak was truly a nice guy, a genius, and really good at Tetris.
@@trifecta9810 At least Gates was a brilliant coder since his youth. Jobs had zero skills, he could barely assist his father in law putting together a radioshack kit following a manual and beta testing Woz's work.
You know, we've gotten a few films both documentary and "based on a true story" about Steve Jobs. Honestly, I kinda wanna see a Steve Wozniak feature film, where Woz is actually the main character we're following. Am I the only one who wants that or am I just nuts to think that?
Woz has said he's turned down the offers, probably because they care more about cashing in than making something interesting. He's said he loved Pirates of Silicon Valley because it portrayed the feeling of the times so well, like the protests at Berkeley. To make a real Woz film, you'd have to make it funny, because he was all about being lively.
he deserves more recognition I agree, but I don't think he wants it, he's ok, he's got millions, and a pretty good life I would say... plus he has a street named after him in downtown san jose, "woz way" which is pretty cool
Man, your videos are always such a great way to unwind, relax and learn a little bit - even on subjects I already know about, you end up coming across with a piece of information I didn't know about. Great job on this video, the quality seemed a little higher than usual even.
The way he treated the mother of his child, as well as denied emotional and financial support to his child, is reprehensible behavior. He may have been a "genius" but he was an exceedingly cruel malignant narcissist who believed he was "enlightened" and "chosen" thus "more important" than any other human being around him. He was often crushingly vicious to people he sensed were "weak" and, in fact, saw people who extended tenderness and sensitivity towards others as bearing "the hallmark of a loser". He rewarded sadists and fired nice people. This is a fact, and it's highly documented...and he was even worse to women. Some the things he did to women are too disgusting to post here without started a "comment war", so I won't. He was, for want of better words, a total asshole.
Actually, he read some book that was probably written by a jackass about the fruitarian diet. That is where he got the idea about not showering. Sometime after Apple was founded, dealings and negotiations occurred that eventually resulted in Jobs caring more about his hygiene.
@@_Hadda that's pretty much "business" in today's world. You should read Gus Russo's book "Supermob" -- he basically lays out how the mafia and American corporations formed alliances in the 40s and 50s. The mob got to launder their money in the "legit" businesses, and the businesses got access to the mob's extensive networks for hiding money overseas. That's the basic secret to the "Panama Papers" -- they're just a reprise of the Castle Bank scandal in the early 70s, with even a lot of the same people involved in both situations.
He already basically told the story of Woz in a games context through this. Woz never worked at a games company and he never led a significant hardware platform post Apple II.
It is impossible to produce exceptional high quality content continuously, but you continue to do the impossible. I am always in awe of how much care is put into each of your videos.
Great video. I've heard bits and pieces of this in the past. Better title would be "Before Apple: Steve Wozniak at Atari | Gaming Historian", because the truth is Woz carried Jobs into success. He was one lucky, arrogant joker who just happened to find a kind, lovable genius who could put up with Jobs. I do believe they needed each other to make what they accomplished, but in those early days Woz was 100% as important as Jobs in making Apple and Breakout for Atari.
Woz and Jobs both carried each other into success. Jobs' assholery definitely makes him look like the demon in their relationship, but in the end Woz knew he needed Jobs just as much as Jobs needed Woz. Neither would have gotten far without the other, and they both knew it. That's why Woz's words-and tears-were real at the news of Jobs' death. * ruclips.net/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/видео.html
George Henson I admit it's completely speculative but I have always had the hunch that Jobs could read a wire diagram, solder chips and do maybe basic board design. Not much else. Even if he subbed out his work to Woz, the "ingenious" work was all Woz which was done for Atari. Whether directly or indirectly, Woz was working for Atari.
Glad to see another story telling the truth about how Jobs as kind of a piece of shit. Dude was just really good at manipulating brilliant people to make him look brilliant himself.
I have the Biography and have been following Apple for about 10 years and while I knew every fact in this video is always nice to have it summarised in such a way. I can't wait till the next video
Why is it that every time I find a behind-the-scenes story about Steve Jobs, it's almost always him being a talentless hack that rides the coattails of others?
These videos help to bring to light what an amazing person Steve Wozniak was and is. Among the many things Woz wanted beefier computers with longer life and was a fervent supporter of the Apple program for schools.
In the grand scheme of things, Woz used Jobs just as much as Jobs used Woz. Woz knew he needed Jobs' own skillset in order to succeed. But both knew that they were using each other to forward their own careers, and that's why they stayed friends for as long as they did... and that's why everything Woz said about Jobs, as well as Woz's tears, at the news of Jobs' death were real. * ruclips.net/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/видео.html People just don't think Woz USED Jobs because Woz is such a "nice guy", and he is... but Woz also knows how to use his "nice guy" position to make him look good. Deep down, Woz totally used Jobs for his success all the same.
Woz didn't use Jobs so much as saw him as a PARTNER. This is where the 2 met an impasse, since Jobs was an asshole human who didn't care about the people in his life while Woz thought they were pals who happened to be in business together.
In this sense, it's true, because something that I can totally agree about Jobs is that he was a genius... on marketing and selling. There's a bunch of really talented people out there inside corporations that have their work underappreciated by their bosses. In this regard Woz had luck in having Jobs as his "friend", a person that always accepted his creations and did all he could to sell it (while cashing the majority of profits).Really, I don't understand why he is called a visionary, a technological visionary, I don't thing that he deserves this titles when the majority of his attempts were burrowed and executed from other. If Jobs was a visionary what we can the people on Xerox?
I saw Steve Wozniak recently at a public interview event. He still spoke of Steve Jobs in high regard and was still sympathetic to him. I don't know why, he stiffed him out of money and stole his ideas and took credit for it. He never had a real understanding of engineering. It was a strange relationship.
I love the ending of your videos. Now every time I am done watching it, I feel smarter. I feel like I just learned something very important on PBS. Thanks Norm.
My dad actually met him and spent a little time with him briefly. While the stories of how difficult he could be to work with are likely true, my dad says he was extremely inviting and friendly even though he certainly didn't have to be. The first thing Jobs did when they met was coax out precisely how my dad liked his coffee and make it for him lol; if there's one thing Jobs had a gift for, it was figuring out what a person wants and supplying that desire. I just wanted to share that little anecdote, as there's been some strange backlash lately (which is generally true of anyone who receives adulation) where he's being painted as something of a monster, and that really seems to be overblown. He was undoubtedly hard to work with (as perfectionists generally are), but there's much more to him than that. Very cool video btw; I was actually familiar with his stint in Atari and, when I told my dad and his friends that Jobs had actually helped create the game Breakout (a game they all recognized once I'd described it to them) they were shocked lol, he has one heck of a deep resume'.
I think steve was a good person outside of apple. I know some of the people who are terror when managing their business. Their personality changed when it comes to business but when outside of work they are very friendly. Just don't work on that kind of people.
I'm crying because you have such good videos and I'm so disappointed it's been a month since your last one. I came across your channel, binged on it more than once and have been wanting more.
a few months ago while I was at this girls house I was seeing, her and her ex husband lived together in the house, but he was cool, didn't mind, plus he wasn't around much, anyway his mom lived with them and she was ill and they were helping her out, anyway she comes up to me one time while I'm there in the kitchen and starts a conversation, and she's really nice and still looks good for her age, I believe she was 71, you wouldn't know she was sick to look at her, so we're talking and I told her I was originally from san jose, then she brings up living in sunnyvale and working at atari one summer as an intern or temp out of college at the front desk kind of thing, so she goes on to say that this arrogant, annoying, smelly (BO) bearded guy (I think she said barefooted too lol but maybe not) comes in and complains about her car, I think she had a beattle, and he said those are bad for the environment and talked crap about it, and she's from jersey so she wasn't going to take any crap from anybody so she goes "yeah that's my car so what" and he kinda backs down cuz he thought she was hot, so he tries to ask her out and she basically shrugged him off, like whatever u gross full crap hippy lol ... of course later she found out it was steve jobs, but she didn't care, his attitude was enough for any sane woman to stay away
Man, sometimes the 70s and 80s seem like a different world to me. Could you imagine just showing up at say, Besthesda or, dear lord, one of the Japanese giants (Nintendo, Sony, etc.), smelling like shit and demanding a job with no skills whatsoever? Hell, imagine doing that at Apple now!
Well for one, Atari was a growing company, not an established name. Second, they were looking for laborers. Alcorn probably embellishes the story slightly here in terms of Jobs basically having no idea what he was walking into. Atari was desperately trying to get more people in the 73-74 period.
Most companies in the 70s and 80s would've tossed Jobs out on his ass. But Atari and Bushnell and a lot of Atari executives were just as big of hippies as Jobs was. It was a very laid back and liberal company. They had company meetings in hot tubs and smoked pot in the warehouses. So Jobs was right at home, though Atari people still valued good hygiene
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Innovator and game changer - who never made or was capable of making anything. His success sounds like his ability to get close to people and exploit them.
"entrepreneur"......ya, well he was also a huge asshole to his family and he barely even resembled a father. I heard that he wouldn't even pay for his kids tuition into college because working minimum wage is a "learning experience". this is true, but to an extent.
ZiKoN22 it took him 9 years before he acknowledged his daughter, even after a DNA test, while she and her mother were on wellfare. Jobs was a horrible person.
God this is still my favorite RUclips channel. It's awesome when these videos pop up, because it's like just when I forget about gaming historian, a new vid pops up as a most pleasant surprise. These vids are always worth the wait
ReikuHidori Steve had cancer for over 20 years, it really isn’t a fact if he waited too long but rather the cancer did. Jobs more than likely didn’t see any threat and I don’t blame him. Living 20 years with something that most people die in less than 2 years from would desensitize a lot of people.
cancer treatment is like killing flies with a shotgun while drunk & on drugs. It almost never work & even if you hit the fly there's gonna be more eventually. I hate how people have this blind faith in Chemotherapy / rays. I get that you're desperate but you are using old Chemical weapons / deadly radiations to "Cure" yourself, it's bound to fail. You'd have better survival rates swimming out of a pool full of sharks. Why is it that people try to rationalize kill fire with fire when it doesn't even work 99% of the time? I mean if you're handed a death sentence you don't speed up the process by shooting yourself in the foot do you? It's the mentality of hoping for the best, but if that's what you're going for you might as well try Changing your life style & diet instead seeing how your odds are the same minus the fatal symptoms that you suffer from cancer treatment. It just rubs me the wrong way that so many argue that cancer treatment is the definite solution, that's all.
eh..... Tesla actually had a relationship with George Westinghouse, during his most productive period. The "wizard of menlo park" was a real inventor, a brilliant engineer, but Edison never pretended to be a physicist or to be an expert in every field of science so he hired people like Tesla for specific projects. Certainly Edison himself was built up in the public's imagination as this great inventor. But that's just how people are -- that's why they called him "wizard", because they couldn't understand the basic nature of scientific work. Likewise, people who imagine that Tesla was some kind of "wizard" are making the same error. By the time Tesla came along, it was impossible for one human being to have expertise in every field of science or to produce any sort of unified theory of physics -- if Tesla proved anything in the last 30 or 40 years of his career, he proved that it was not possible to do what he was pretending to do.
This story has been around forever and a day, most real computer people/computer engineers knew Steve Jobs was a joke and a horrible person. They only would work for him for the money and for the prestige of being an Apple employee. Jobs made exactly nothing...not one thing did he truly ever make himself it was 100% wozniak the whole time. He is one of those people who love to solve problems (engineering wise.) and was almost OCD about it. Jobs knew this and took advantage of it. He did exactly bupkis at Atari. He was at the end of things just a great salesman and re-brander...stole a lot of ideas from others or took bits of conversations he would have with software/hardware engineers working under him and then combine them in his head and then take full credit for those ideas himself. This led to many of the engineers at Apple to quit after learning their ideas would be stolen and all they would receive is a small bonus check along with their regular pay. He would often go on tirades against those who would speak up and tried to blackball many of them if they did leave. He was a leech and all around horses arse. Glad the jerk is dead.
3 years too late but it's worth noting that his arrogance was his undoing in the end. Thought he was so much smarter than the doctors and checked out early.
It's clear Jobs had some morality issues. I've always believed that over time those things eat away at our soul and our health. People think they're getting away with being an asshole, but they're not.
I like Apple devices and I like Nintendo handhelds and consoles, but Steve Jobs really seemed like a ass the way he was described here (still a good and informative video!) I always thought someone like Satoru Iwata was like the Steve Jobs of gaming. I don't think I'll ever make that comparison again between them thanks to this video. Iwata was more like Steve Wozniak, a loyal, intelligent and hardworking person.
Iwata was like Iwata, he was a once in a lifetime kind of guy. It's going to be a long time before that much talent, intelligence, and empathy will coalesce into a single person again
Well told sir! One of the best descriptions of the breakout controversy I've heard. The $700 "job" payment was split, and the bonus was pocketed by only Jobs. Nice mix of sources too.
tough subject with the Woz. I've seen folks just go crazy when something negative is said about Jobs. Heck I somewhat equivocated on the subject myself, so you're coverage is very much needed. Glad to see you're willing to hit those gritty points. Keep up the good work!
It’s nice that Wozniak showed a lot of sympathy for Jobs. Yes, Jobs wasn’t perfect but without him you wouldn’t be reading my comment or be watching this video. Jobs perfected how we use technology & while he was a bit arrogant he did help with the biggest video game company at the time.
As an unemployed artist trying to get into any sort of media industry I can find an opening to, it's things like this that give me glimmers of hope, small as they may be.
I've always felt bad for Wozniak, though successful he deserved so much for his work and the praise/accolades that the public usually heaps onto Jobs, whom was nothing more than a glorified marketer (charlatan).
That's one thing I can't fault Jobs for - Woz clearly is not about fame and money, so the arrangement that they had worked out for them where Woz got to devote his life to the computers while Jobs got to have his ego fed to death.
+Xavier Roberts You're either an idiot or a Jobs fanboy, I can't decide which but the crap you post is historically incorrect nonsense. Wozniak made the Apple II GS which had incredible performance for it's day (and even innovative features to this day ruclips.net/video/mADvFDkJqvU/видео.html ) but Jobs undermined his project in order for "his" shittier project to succeed. It wasn't even a business decision as the GS was superior in almost every way, it was about Jobs' ego. Visionary my ass. Jobs proceeded to bully and cheat Wozniak behind the scenes at Apple. Once a weasel, always a weasel. Ideas are cheap - Wozniak should have found himself another "visionary" to work with.
Strange use of the word "innovator". "Thief" or "leech" would probably be more apt. Anyone else who didn't have the cult of personality around them like Jobs did would be subject to far more scrutiny over his suspect career.
Fun fact (that has probably already been mentioned): Breakout ended up as kind of an easter egg on the original iPod. Remember discovering and playing it back in 2001.
Great vid. I like your exploring of subjects. And I really the last line in this vid connecting this story to video games. Video games: Is there anything they can't do?
i've never really understood America's love of steve jobs. i've always thought he was kind of a shitty person and not really that brilliant. but i've only understood through the way media has portrayed him.
He was rich so Americans idolize him. It is that simple....in American society if you make money then you are amazing. Doesn't matter how you got the money, once you got it you are a hero.
amazing story... for me this is one of your best episodes.... i really love learning the history about the people behind the gaming industri. keep up the good work mate...
Steve Jobs had imagination but the actual tech and main effort was done by the engeneers working for him. Steve couldnt even write a simple line of program, he just had a visual idea so all the props go to the team involved, not Jobs.
As an engineer myself I can say that having a vision for the future is just as important as having the ability to program something. What good is having engineering skills if you don't know what you should be applying those skills to? Like it or not, Jobs understood the relationship between humans and technology better than most. That is why Apple is the one of the richest companies in the world.
Man after reading allot of the comments to this video makes me super happy. You guys and gals brightened my day. Seeing Jobs get called what he was, a vile piece of fucking trash that should be forgotten then remembered, brightened my entire day. I despise Apple, and would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE THEM GONE..... FOREVER.
You forgot to mention that Steve Jobs was also a deadbeat dad who abandoned his first child and her mother right after she told him about the pregnancy.
It's weird, I actually kind of look up to Jobs. We all know that he was a detestable human being who treated those around him like dirt, abandoned and pretended his daughter didn't exist for years, and took credit for a lot of things he had very little to do with. A bit of a Messiah complex, really. But he's also a guy that was able to find openings, snatch opportunities, and position himself like no one else. A college drop-out with no technical skills, but became the face of modern technology. I just find it extremely fascinating.
No, he was lucky. He was in the right place in the right time, and met the right people. If he were an 20 year old now, he would try to make some obnoxious startup company, fail, then likely live with his mom and dad the rest of his life.
I just never considered anything Jobs has done to be that impressive, aside from making Apple successful. But that story about reducing the number of chips to the point that nobody understood anything about it? That is so Wozniak. Sure, Jobs kept on doing what he did to the very end, but I just don't think that he was that special. I mean no disrespect to him though. May he rest in peace, of course.
"He resisted rules and structure" At Reed College....are you kidding me? I live by the place. It makes UC Berkeley seem like a concentration camp. It's the most expense to-attend commune you have ever seen, and always has been. The ultimate in hyper liberal arts colleges for kids with rich parents who want to pretend they're poor hippies, or struggling artists from Soho who just happen to live in a 2 million dollar loft. And when German Engineers think you have an anti-social attitude, you KNOW you got next level personality problems
All these hateful Jobs comments. I admit, I hate him too. BUT... he never took credit for any of his work except for the 128k Mac, which he deserves. If you actually listen to him speak and watch his keynotes, he never mentions himself. He ALWAYS says "them" and "us" and "our team" Not to mention if you ever did any research on the man, you would know that with his understanding of design, art and the importance of computers in general and what they could do for people even back in the Apple II days, you would know his ideas and understanding of technology from a PERSONAL sense, not a technical sense was decades before anybody else. He didnt know how a computer worked from a technical standpoint but completely understood what it could do to progress human mental evolution. He understood this from a very young age and was always in love with technology even though he didnt know how it worked. Steve and his team at apple revolutionized the PC industry, the music industry and with Disney, the film industry. Without Jobs, Pixar probably would have collapsed and Toy Story never would have been made. His work at NeXT was also incredible. NeXT Step introduced OS fundementals we see today back in the early 90's. It may not be as pretty, but the functionality is all there and is insane. It did things that OS's even today don't do. I think it's quite funny that the same people who hate Jobs for his lack of technical understanding and his massive understanding of art and design and functionality, claim he isnt a genius. Yet they probably call their favorite musical artists geniuses and great well known artists genius. Just shows whaat peoples biased mindsets are I hate Jobs, but god damn. He changed the world. give credit where credit is due.
Gates changed the world, jobs was a leech. What did NeXT Step do that other computers didnt do then or dont do now. All he did was take a pc and stole Mach and BSD for the OS. No one gave a shit then. He cant program and nobody at apple can
@@casparhughey5651 Bill Gates is literally the biggest leech in Silicon Valley. Internet Explorer was a hardcore rip-off of Netscape, which he essentially killed out of spite after stealing many good ideas from it. Microsoft literally copied the mac, which was itself based on the xerox demos. Bill Gates is nothing but a thief and never had an original idea.... just want to portray the extreme truth.
@@Shapar95 Microsoft licensed Mosaic to create Internet Explorer in 1995. And apple stole the GUI from xerox ,MS helped program it jobs is nothing but a thief and never had an original idea....
Hello everyone!
A few weeks ago, I noticed my wife was reading the Steve Jobs biography. A voice in my head said "hey, he worked for Atari didn't he?" This prompted us to make an episode all about it! As always, if you learned something, please share! Big episode coming in a few weeks.
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Gaming Historian to be honest i find Steve Wozniak more interesting, the guy used to write programs in machine language and at the same time was the most naive and nice guy in the world, he is really something special. Great video though.
Thank God you finally made an episode on that subject
Gaming Historian your research and videos are above standard. Such a shame to wait on such interesting content but man is it a treat when it does launch. This was a good one, thank you.
This makes me love Wozniak even more and hate Jobs even more
That's not hard, Jobs is a pretty unlikable person.
Steve Jobs had the confidence/business/street sense. Woz had no business ambition. They needed each other.
@@jonathangoodman9089 I had no idea jobbs was such a douche when he was younger lol. & then he NEVER even fessed up & apologized? Like come on man. Hes the one who made him do it in only 4 days because he wanted that money asap.
Yeah Jobs is a douche there's no question there. But he had business sense and balls of steel. Apple wouldn't exist without him.
@@ferndog1461 did he need Jobs to screw him over?
3:55 "And occasionally inviting his friend, Steve Wozniak over to help him with the more technical aspects of the job." In other words, Jobs invited Woz over to do his work for him (which Jobs was incapable of doing) and then screwed him (Woz) out of his hard earned money for finishing the job. Between that, and denying Lisa as his paternal daughter, Steve Jobs was a disgusting example of a human being.
Norm is very much misrepresenting this point. Woz never claimed to have done all of Jobs' work for him. Jobs' main duty was sautering and wire-wrapping, stuff which is usually already laid out by other technical staff (the specific individual in this case being Don Lang).
Was Jobs a sociopath? Or just acted as one sometimes?
@@CalaTec You'll find sociopathic tendencies are in all sorts of businessmen, especially salesmen like Steve Jobs.
Cala Content Jobs was 19 and was poor. Woz who was 5 years older was already an engineer for HP. In addition, Jobs worked for Atari - Woz didn't. So whatever payment that Jobs received, it was technically all his. Jobs told Woz to split the payment half and half, which he did, but he never mentioned splitting the bonus. It is dishonest but really not that big of a deal. I find it funny that Woz only learned about it 10 years later when he was already a multimillionaire. If he had learnt it sooner, he wouldn't partner with Jobs, and Woz would be just a nobody because there would be no Apple.
@@alphazar And Jobs would be an unemployable guy probably living in a van in Santa Monica pretending at being a religious guru. People talk about Woz getting screwed because Jobs rode his talent and only became what he was because of Wozniak. Without the man Jobs would be what he was, a know nothing flash in the pan loud mouth that could only get by on luck and flash.
Wozniak seems like a really awesome dude.
Too bad that he was forced to have Jobs in his life. So much talent reworked and taken credit for by someone else.
LITTLE DO WE KNOW HIS FAMILY TERE WILL EXPAND WITH A WOZNIAK WITH THE NAME SCOTT
Yes, he woz.
this video made me realize he really DID look like Ashton Kutcher
its the other way around
No it's not, they actually equally looked like each other. If Steve Jobs were still alive, he could have done a biopic playing Ashton Kutcher.
@@mikmop jobs's status is too big for that.
@@mikmop typically when someone is older than you, you look like them, rather than them looking like you.
Same
I've always wondered why people have represented Steve as a good person when he obviously was not. Any man that would screw a friend over like this is not someone who I would want in my life.
silicon valley does a good job at lambasting the character of steve jobs in gavin belson. megalomania, deception, pettiness and pretentiousness. steve jobs may have been a "dreamer," but it all stops there. asshole never built anything!!!
the woz was the real genius behind the reemergence of apple.
It's called a "publicist" and every wealthy asswipe can afford one.
He's like the Kanye West of technology. Yeah I disagree with him and find him unbearable at times, but I can't deny that he was a genius too
@jedistache9813 what
@@kilroy6547 you heard what he said
I don't hate Jobs for being as self entitled hippie that lied his way through life, I hate him for what he did to Wonzniak. Wozniak was truly a nice guy, a genius, and really good at Tetris.
Bill Gates was worse.
Bullshit
Well, it's true. Gates is a raging psychopath.
I hate him for what he did to suicidal FoxConn workers who begged for his intervention
@@trifecta9810 At least Gates was a brilliant coder since his youth. Jobs had zero skills, he could barely assist his father in law putting together a radioshack kit following a manual and beta testing Woz's work.
"For his part, Jobs denied the story..." yeah, and he also denied that he was the father to his first daughter Lisa...so, what do you expect.
You know, we've gotten a few films both documentary and "based on a true story" about Steve Jobs. Honestly, I kinda wanna see a Steve Wozniak feature film, where Woz is actually the main character we're following. Am I the only one who wants that or am I just nuts to think that?
Daniel S I would love that.
Woz has said he's turned down the offers, probably because they care more about cashing in than making something interesting. He's said he loved Pirates of Silicon Valley because it portrayed the feeling of the times so well, like the protests at Berkeley. To make a real Woz film, you'd have to make it funny, because he was all about being lively.
he deserves more recognition I agree, but I don't think he wants it, he's ok, he's got millions, and a pretty good life I would say... plus he has a street named after him in downtown san jose, "woz way" which is pretty cool
it's near the tech museum
I think your right Woz truly was the genius who drove Apple. He could only do one thing assemble a team.
Man, your videos are always such a great way to unwind, relax and learn a little bit - even on subjects I already know about, you end up coming across with a piece of information I didn't know about.
Great job on this video, the quality seemed a little higher than usual even.
Sato I listen to them when I consolidate inventory at work
You are so right... I caught myself rewatching videos, even if there wasnt much time since the first time I saw it.
I only hope this video doesn't get a strike for offensive odors.
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Nice, coming from the guy in YAKIMA.
ZING! (Just kidding, buddy!)
The offensive odors won't be because Jobs didn't shower, but as a human, Jobs was just a piece of sh*t.
11:05 What kinda price is that! WTF!?
The way he treated the mother of his child, as well as denied emotional and financial support to his child, is reprehensible behavior. He may have been a "genius" but he was an exceedingly cruel malignant narcissist who believed he was "enlightened" and "chosen" thus "more important" than any other human being around him. He was often crushingly vicious to people he sensed were "weak" and, in fact, saw people who extended tenderness and sensitivity towards others as bearing "the hallmark of a loser". He rewarded sadists and fired nice people. This is a fact, and it's highly documented...and he was even worse to women. Some the things he did to women are too disgusting to post here without started a "comment war", so I won't.
He was, for want of better words, a total asshole.
So arrogant that he wouldn't even take a shower, because he thought he "just didn't need to". Wow.
Actually, he read some book that was probably written by a jackass about the fruitarian diet. That is where he got the idea about not showering. Sometime after Apple was founded, dealings and negotiations occurred that eventually resulted in Jobs caring more about his hygiene.
He literally acted like his shit didn't stink.
Washed his feet in the toilet because it was easier using one. It might be made up rubbish though.
You could call Steve Jobs... pious.
@@_Hadda that's pretty much "business" in today's world. You should read Gus Russo's book "Supermob" -- he basically lays out how the mafia and American corporations formed alliances in the 40s and 50s. The mob got to launder their money in the "legit" businesses, and the businesses got access to the mob's extensive networks for hiding money overseas. That's the basic secret to the "Panama Papers" -- they're just a reprise of the Castle Bank scandal in the early 70s, with even a lot of the same people involved in both situations.
Instead of Jobs. You should do a video about Woz. Far more interesting of a guy!
TheADMVlogs well this one is already made. He should do a Woz video though
whaaat? He was Gay?! Duuuuude!!!
TheADMVlogs That seems fair.
He already basically told the story of Woz in a games context through this. Woz never worked at a games company and he never led a significant hardware platform post Apple II.
A lot of this was about woz
It is impossible to produce exceptional high quality content continuously, but you continue to do the impossible. I am always in awe of how much care is put into each of your videos.
Great video. I've heard bits and pieces of this in the past. Better title would be "Before Apple: Steve Wozniak at Atari | Gaming Historian", because the truth is Woz carried Jobs into success. He was one lucky, arrogant joker who just happened to find a kind, lovable genius who could put up with Jobs. I do believe they needed each other to make what they accomplished, but in those early days Woz was 100% as important as Jobs in making Apple and Breakout for Atari.
Woz and Jobs both carried each other into success. Jobs' assholery definitely makes him look like the demon in their relationship, but in the end Woz knew he needed Jobs just as much as Jobs needed Woz. Neither would have gotten far without the other, and they both knew it. That's why Woz's words-and tears-were real at the news of Jobs' death.
* ruclips.net/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/видео.html
Woz didn't work at Atari though. He's also never claimed that he did all of Jobs' work which the video seems to imply.
George Henson I admit it's completely speculative but I have always had the hunch that Jobs could read a wire diagram, solder chips and do maybe basic board design. Not much else. Even if he subbed out his work to Woz, the "ingenious" work was all Woz which was done for Atari. Whether directly or indirectly, Woz was working for Atari.
Woz said he wasnt allowed to touch the mac
Woz is the man, he always fascinates me in what he has been able to do in life.
Glad to see another story telling the truth about how Jobs as kind of a piece of shit. Dude was just really good at manipulating brilliant people to make him look brilliant himself.
Yep. Truly the "Edison" of our time. :)
Have you heard Bill Burr's standup but about how overrated Jobs is? It's brilliant
Even that is not really true. He ran Apple into the ground the first time around. Plus, a big part of it was luck.
I have the Biography and have been following Apple for about 10 years and while I knew every fact in this video is always nice to have it summarised in such a way.
I can't wait till the next video
Why is it that every time I find a behind-the-scenes story about Steve Jobs, it's almost always him being a talentless hack that rides the coattails of others?
Because its true
maybe the answer is, because he was an asshole
Because he was the boss. He hired people and paid them good money. He also founded Apple, and recruited many smart people, in case you forgot.
These videos help to bring to light what an amazing person Steve Wozniak was and is. Among the many things Woz wanted beefier computers with longer life and was a fervent supporter of the Apple program for schools.
So....did he learn how to operate a shower eventually?
Apollo Justice LMAO 😂🤣
He probably got confused by the three seashells.
I was actually waiting for that part, never came.
good question:)))
Thank you Norm. I was having a rough day, and your videos put a smile on my face.
Wozniak had the worst friend ever, Jobs was a leech.
No lie
In the grand scheme of things, Woz used Jobs just as much as Jobs used Woz. Woz knew he needed Jobs' own skillset in order to succeed. But both knew that they were using each other to forward their own careers, and that's why they stayed friends for as long as they did... and that's why everything Woz said about Jobs, as well as Woz's tears, at the news of Jobs' death were real.
* ruclips.net/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/видео.html
People just don't think Woz USED Jobs because Woz is such a "nice guy", and he is... but Woz also knows how to use his "nice guy" position to make him look good. Deep down, Woz totally used Jobs for his success all the same.
nickfifteen Yeah. They deserved each other.
Woz didn't use Jobs so much as saw him as a PARTNER. This is where the 2 met an impasse, since Jobs was an asshole human who didn't care about the people in his life while Woz thought they were pals who happened to be in business together.
In this sense, it's true, because something that I can totally agree about Jobs is that he was a genius... on marketing and selling. There's a bunch of really talented people out there inside corporations that have their work underappreciated by their bosses. In this regard Woz had luck in having Jobs as his "friend", a person that always accepted his creations and did all he could to sell it (while cashing the majority of profits).Really, I don't understand why he is called a visionary, a technological visionary, I don't thing that he deserves this titles when the majority of his attempts were burrowed and executed from other. If Jobs was a visionary what we can the people on Xerox?
What a great video, thanks! Having worked for people in the past that knew Steve Jobs, I can say that everything you say is spot on.
I saw Steve Wozniak recently at a public interview event. He still spoke of Steve Jobs in high regard and was still sympathetic to him. I don't know why, he stiffed him out of money and stole his ideas and took credit for it. He never had a real understanding of engineering. It was a strange relationship.
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I love the ending of your videos. Now every time I am done watching it, I feel smarter. I feel like I just learned something very important on PBS. Thanks Norm.
My dad actually met him and spent a little time with him briefly. While the stories of how difficult he could be to work with are likely true, my dad says he was extremely inviting and friendly even though he certainly didn't have to be. The first thing Jobs did when they met was coax out precisely how my dad liked his coffee and make it for him lol; if there's one thing Jobs had a gift for, it was figuring out what a person wants and supplying that desire.
I just wanted to share that little anecdote, as there's been some strange backlash lately (which is generally true of anyone who receives adulation) where he's being painted as something of a monster, and that really seems to be overblown. He was undoubtedly hard to work with (as perfectionists generally are), but there's much more to him than that.
Very cool video btw; I was actually familiar with his stint in Atari and, when I told my dad and his friends that Jobs had actually helped create the game Breakout (a game they all recognized once I'd described it to them) they were shocked lol, he has one heck of a deep resume'.
He didn't do shit on breakout
I think steve was a good person outside of apple. I know some of the people who are terror when managing their business. Their personality changed when it comes to business but when outside of work they are very friendly. Just don't work on that kind of people.
I'm crying because you have such good videos and I'm so disappointed it's been a month since your last one. I came across your channel, binged on it more than once and have been wanting more.
If you pre ordered Pong at Circuit City, you got a dark grey paddle DLC... O wait... what year is this?
Thank you for returning to the original ending music music you used to use. Really magical and warm, to me at least.
a few months ago while I was at this girls house I was seeing, her and her ex husband lived together in the house, but he was cool, didn't mind, plus he wasn't around much, anyway his mom lived with them and she was ill and they were helping her out, anyway she comes up to me one time while I'm there in the kitchen and starts a conversation, and she's really nice and still looks good for her age, I believe she was 71, you wouldn't know she was sick to look at her, so we're talking and I told her I was originally from san jose, then she brings up living in sunnyvale and working at atari one summer as an intern or temp out of college at the front desk kind of thing, so she goes on to say that this arrogant, annoying, smelly (BO) bearded guy (I think she said barefooted too lol but maybe not) comes in and complains about her car, I think she had a beattle, and he said those are bad for the environment and talked crap about it, and she's from jersey so she wasn't going to take any crap from anybody so she goes "yeah that's my car so what" and he kinda backs down cuz he thought she was hot, so he tries to ask her out and she basically shrugged him off, like whatever u gross full crap hippy lol ... of course later she found out it was steve jobs, but she didn't care, his attitude was enough for any sane woman to stay away
I love Steve Wozniak. Such a great kind guy and a true engineer and computer legend.
Man, sometimes the 70s and 80s seem like a different world to me. Could you imagine just showing up at say, Besthesda or, dear lord, one of the Japanese giants (Nintendo, Sony, etc.), smelling like shit and demanding a job with no skills whatsoever? Hell, imagine doing that at Apple now!
Well for one, Atari was a growing company, not an established name. Second, they were looking for laborers. Alcorn probably embellishes the story slightly here in terms of Jobs basically having no idea what he was walking into. Atari was desperately trying to get more people in the 73-74 period.
Most companies in the 70s and 80s would've tossed Jobs out on his ass. But Atari and Bushnell and a lot of Atari executives were just as big of hippies as Jobs was. It was a very laid back and liberal company. They had company meetings in hot tubs and smoked pot in the warehouses. So Jobs was right at home, though Atari people still valued good hygiene
Out of every Chanel I subscribe to, gaming historian is the only one that I watch every single video from. I love the content. Norman, this video was awesome as always. My financial situation Is about to change and when it does, I'd like gaming historian to be the first Chanel I support on patreon
Innovator and game changer - who never made or was capable of making anything. His success sounds like his ability to get close to people and exploit them.
I just want to say that you have a very smooth, easy to listen to narration voice.
"entrepreneur"......ya, well he was also a huge asshole to his family and he barely even resembled a father. I heard that he wouldn't even pay for his kids tuition into college because working minimum wage is a "learning experience". this is true, but to an extent.
ZiKoN22 it took him 9 years before he acknowledged his daughter, even after a DNA test, while she and her mother were on wellfare. Jobs was a horrible person.
great timing just started work on imacs in school and there is old macintosh on display and every day i stop to watch that old box
Very well done, as always. Great information that shows his true character, which was very lacking.
God this is still my favorite RUclips channel. It's awesome when these videos pop up, because it's like just when I forget about gaming historian, a new vid pops up as a most pleasant surprise. These vids are always worth the wait
It's that attitude that killed Steve Jobs in the end. He refused cancer treatment until it was too late.
ReikuHidori Steve had cancer for over 20 years, it really isn’t a fact if he waited too long but rather the cancer did. Jobs more than likely didn’t see any threat and I don’t blame him. Living 20 years with something that most people die in less than 2 years from would desensitize a lot of people.
TheRedDrapion he was told by doctors it needed treatment and instead he used alternative medicine
And there's no reason to be sad about it. Thank God he's gone.
Yeah a lot of good that did. An idiot like the rest of the people like him.
cancer treatment is like killing flies with a shotgun while drunk & on drugs. It almost never work & even if you hit the fly there's gonna be more eventually. I hate how people have this blind faith in Chemotherapy / rays. I get that you're desperate but you are using old Chemical weapons / deadly radiations to "Cure" yourself, it's bound to fail. You'd have better survival rates swimming out of a pool full of sharks.
Why is it that people try to rationalize kill fire with fire when it doesn't even work 99% of the time? I mean if you're handed a death sentence you don't speed up the process by shooting yourself in the foot do you? It's the mentality of hoping for the best, but if that's what you're going for you might as well try Changing your life style & diet instead seeing how your odds are the same minus the fatal symptoms that you suffer from cancer treatment. It just rubs me the wrong way that so many argue that cancer treatment is the definite solution, that's all.
As good as any PBS doc I’ve ever seen and I mean that in the best way possible thank you I loved every min.
Before this video:
"I want to be like Steve Jobs!"
After this video:
"I don't wanna be like Steve Jobs."
He was thrown out of Apple because of his behaviour and arrogance. If Woz wasn't a genius Apple would've never existed.
I read the Jobs bio. Its the only bio I ever read. Its really and amazing history whit an unique set of characters. Thanks for the Video, mate.
To me, Steve Jobs is to Thomas Edison, as Steve Wozniak is to Nikola Tesla.
Exactly my thoughts.
eh..... Tesla actually had a relationship with George Westinghouse, during his most productive period. The "wizard of menlo park" was a real inventor, a brilliant engineer, but Edison never pretended to be a physicist or to be an expert in every field of science so he hired people like Tesla for specific projects. Certainly Edison himself was built up in the public's imagination as this great inventor. But that's just how people are -- that's why they called him "wizard", because they couldn't understand the basic nature of scientific work. Likewise, people who imagine that Tesla was some kind of "wizard" are making the same error. By the time Tesla came along, it was impossible for one human being to have expertise in every field of science or to produce any sort of unified theory of physics -- if Tesla proved anything in the last 30 or 40 years of his career, he proved that it was not possible to do what he was pretending to do.
Great video keep up releasing such good material
This story has been around forever and a day, most real computer people/computer engineers knew Steve Jobs was a joke and a horrible person. They only would work for him for the money and for the prestige of being an Apple employee. Jobs made exactly nothing...not one thing did he truly ever make himself it was 100% wozniak the whole time. He is one of those people who love to solve problems (engineering wise.) and was almost OCD about it. Jobs knew this and took advantage of it. He did exactly bupkis at Atari. He was at the end of things just a great salesman and re-brander...stole a lot of ideas from others or took bits of conversations he would have with software/hardware engineers working under him and then combine them in his head and then take full credit for those ideas himself. This led to many of the engineers at Apple to quit after learning their ideas would be stolen and all they would receive is a small bonus check along with their regular pay. He would often go on tirades against those who would speak up and tried to blackball many of them if they did leave. He was a leech and all around horses arse. Glad the jerk is dead.
3 years too late but it's worth noting that his arrogance was his undoing in the end. Thought he was so much smarter than the doctors and checked out early.
Thanks for another great video!
Steve Jobs, he rode on the back of Wozniak. If I was Wozniak I would had dropped the useless hack along time ago. Sorry that Wozniak got used by Jobs.
if I woz, i will crush job's face and punch his stomach untill he drop and dead
Man what a beautiful episode.
It's clear Jobs had some morality issues. I've always believed that over time those things eat away at our soul and our health. People think they're getting away with being an asshole, but they're not.
Tch, only the good die young, it seems.
Doesn't mean they are living happily and in good health. Sometimes death isn't the worst thing.
+referall madness you hit the nail on the head.
What's with people online calling him a sociopath? There are far worse than him.
watched all your videos, great work! hoping there are more soon.
Good info!
This was a great video, love your channel bro.
I like Apple devices and I like Nintendo handhelds and consoles, but Steve Jobs really seemed like a ass the way he was described here (still a good and informative video!)
I always thought someone like Satoru Iwata was like the Steve Jobs of gaming. I don't think I'll ever make that comparison again between them thanks to this video. Iwata was more like Steve Wozniak, a loyal, intelligent and hardworking person.
Iwata was like Iwata, he was a once in a lifetime kind of guy. It's going to be a long time before that much talent, intelligence, and empathy will coalesce into a single person again
Well told sir! One of the best descriptions of the breakout controversy I've heard. The $700 "job" payment was split, and the bonus was pocketed by only Jobs. Nice mix of sources too.
I love The Woz. He's the essential computer nerd.
tough subject with the Woz. I've seen folks just go crazy when something negative is said about Jobs. Heck I somewhat equivocated on the subject myself, so you're coverage is very much needed. Glad to see you're willing to hit those gritty points. Keep up the good work!
Innovator? Game changer? How about thief and snake oil salesman.
That's exactly him
He was both in a way.
It’s nice that Wozniak showed a lot of sympathy for Jobs. Yes, Jobs wasn’t perfect but without him you wouldn’t be reading my comment or be watching this video. Jobs perfected how we use technology & while he was a bit arrogant he did help with the biggest video game company at the time.
you should do history of video game companies.
atari, nintendo, sega, capcom, konami, hudson, square, enix, etc.
As an unemployed artist trying to get into any sort of media industry I can find an opening to, it's things like this that give me glimmers of hope, small as they may be.
I've always felt bad for Wozniak, though successful he deserved so much for his work and the praise/accolades that the public usually heaps onto Jobs, whom was nothing more than a glorified marketer (charlatan).
That's one thing I can't fault Jobs for - Woz clearly is not about fame and money, so the arrangement that they had worked out for them where Woz got to devote his life to the computers while Jobs got to have his ego fed to death.
there's a street named after him in downtown san jose called "woz way" it's right near the tech museum
+Xavier Roberts You're either an idiot or a Jobs fanboy, I can't decide which but the crap you post is historically incorrect nonsense. Wozniak made the Apple II GS which had incredible performance for it's day (and even innovative features to this day ruclips.net/video/mADvFDkJqvU/видео.html ) but Jobs undermined his project in order for "his" shittier project to succeed. It wasn't even a business decision as the GS was superior in almost every way, it was about Jobs' ego. Visionary my ass. Jobs proceeded to bully and cheat Wozniak behind the scenes at Apple. Once a weasel, always a weasel. Ideas are cheap - Wozniak should have found himself another "visionary" to work with.
Great as always.
Strange use of the word "innovator". "Thief" or "leech" would probably be more apt.
Anyone else who didn't have the cult of personality around them like Jobs did would be subject to far more scrutiny over his suspect career.
Another great one Norm! Keep it up!
I wonder what that other universe is like; the one where Nolan Bushnell called the cops on Steve Hobs the hippie.
Excellent episode, sir.
Big fan of the Woz.
Fun fact (that has probably already been mentioned): Breakout ended up as kind of an easter egg on the original iPod. Remember discovering and playing it back in 2001.
Let's be honest, a Steve Jobs figure would fail in today's world. He was a lucky guy in the right places at the right time.
Elon Musk seems to be going strong
He would probably succeed even more
Every time I come to learn something new about that man I find myself despising him a little more than before....
Wozniak was the real genius.
Great vid. I like your exploring of subjects. And I really the last line in this vid connecting this story to video games. Video games: Is there anything they can't do?
Steve Jobs was nothing more than a used car salesman.
And he is a great used car salesman. Thats it
The bast .
Yup.
Best..... Friday..... EVER!!!.Thanks Norm. Love the videos.
i've never really understood America's love of steve jobs. i've always thought he was kind of a shitty person and not really that brilliant. but i've only understood through the way media has portrayed him.
Damn, I am eating tacos for dinner now.
He was rich so Americans idolize him. It is that simple....in American society if you make money then you are amazing. Doesn't matter how you got the money, once you got it you are a hero.
Not only americans...
then why is donald trump not the most popular president ever? i think it might be a little of that, and people's obsessions with their iPhones.
The fact that Trump got anywhere near president...LET ALONE WON....proves my point actually.
amazing story... for me this is one of your best episodes.... i really love learning the history about the people behind the gaming industri. keep up the good work mate...
Steve Jobs had imagination but the actual tech and main effort was done by the engeneers working for him. Steve couldnt even write a simple line of program, he just had a visual idea so all the props go to the team involved, not Jobs.
Chicken and egg. Without Jobs' vision to see the possibility (and opportunity), would the engineers have had a problem to solve?
Most parents need to see this
In short, Job's legacy is built on the backs of others. This is evident throughout his career, yet somehow he always gets the credit.
Change is not always good ... But these two Steves changed the world of technology.
I'm pretty sure his German Co-workers hated him more than his American ones.
As an engineer myself I can say that having a vision for the future is just as important as having the ability to program something.
What good is having engineering skills if you don't know what you should be applying those skills to?
Like it or not, Jobs understood the relationship between humans and technology better than most. That is why Apple is the one of the richest companies in the world.
When sneaky, slimy, back-stabbing businessmen are still referred to as visionaries.
Man after reading allot of the comments to this video makes me super happy. You guys and gals brightened my day. Seeing Jobs get called what he was, a vile piece of fucking trash that should be forgotten then remembered, brightened my entire day.
I despise Apple, and would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE THEM GONE..... FOREVER.
You forgot to mention that Steve Jobs was also a deadbeat dad who abandoned his first child and her mother right after she told him about the pregnancy.
Great episode. Very well done.
It's weird, I actually kind of look up to Jobs. We all know that he was a detestable human being who treated those around him like dirt, abandoned and pretended his daughter didn't exist for years, and took credit for a lot of things he had very little to do with. A bit of a Messiah complex, really. But he's also a guy that was able to find openings, snatch opportunities, and position himself like no one else. A college drop-out with no technical skills, but became the face of modern technology. I just find it extremely fascinating.
No, he was lucky. He was in the right place in the right time, and met the right people. If he were an 20 year old now, he would try to make some obnoxious startup company, fail, then likely live with his mom and dad the rest of his life.
I love your videos, thanks for this!
Woz is the man. I can do without Steve.
I just never considered anything Jobs has done to be that impressive, aside from making Apple successful. But that story about reducing the number of chips to the point that nobody understood anything about it? That is so Wozniak. Sure, Jobs kept on doing what he did to the very end, but I just don't think that he was that special. I mean no disrespect to him though. May he rest in peace, of course.
As neat as always. Great video *Gaming Historian*
He actually looks like Ashton Kutcher in some photos, hehe
See, this is what a historian is supposed to do. Give a factual and unbiased presentation.
No one in India complained about Jobs body odor. Strange? I think not.
Chow Jun Liang probably blended in with the designated shitting streets.
LMAO
Another fantastic video on gaming history, well documented and narrated. Terrific!
"He resisted rules and structure"
At Reed College....are you kidding me? I live by the place. It makes UC Berkeley seem like a concentration camp.
It's the most expense to-attend commune you have ever seen, and always has been. The ultimate in hyper liberal arts colleges for kids with rich parents who want to pretend they're poor hippies, or struggling artists from Soho who just happen to live in a 2 million dollar loft.
And when German Engineers think you have an anti-social attitude, you KNOW you got next level personality problems
This was extremely enjoyable. Thank you for making this! Learned a few things, and could have watched 3 hours more of you telling the story.
All these hateful Jobs comments.
I admit, I hate him too. BUT...
he never took credit for any of his work except for the 128k Mac, which he deserves. If you actually listen to him speak and watch his keynotes, he never mentions himself. He ALWAYS says "them" and "us" and "our team"
Not to mention if you ever did any research on the man, you would know that with his understanding of design, art and the importance of computers in general and what they could do for people even back in the Apple II days, you would know his ideas and understanding of technology from a PERSONAL sense, not a technical sense was decades before anybody else.
He didnt know how a computer worked from a technical standpoint but completely understood what it could do to progress human mental evolution.
He understood this from a very young age and was always in love with technology even though he didnt know how it worked.
Steve and his team at apple revolutionized the PC industry, the music industry and with Disney, the film industry. Without Jobs, Pixar probably would have collapsed and Toy Story never would have been made.
His work at NeXT was also incredible. NeXT Step introduced OS fundementals we see today back in the early 90's. It may not be as pretty, but the functionality is all there and is insane. It did things that OS's even today don't do.
I think it's quite funny that the same people who hate Jobs for his lack of technical understanding and his massive understanding of art and design and functionality, claim he isnt a genius. Yet they probably call their favorite musical artists geniuses and great well known artists genius.
Just shows whaat peoples biased mindsets are
I hate Jobs, but god damn. He changed the world. give credit where credit is due.
Gates changed the world, jobs was a leech. What did NeXT Step do that other computers didnt do then or dont do now. All he did was take a pc and stole Mach and BSD for the OS. No one gave a shit then. He cant program and nobody at apple can
@@casparhughey5651 Bill Gates is literally the biggest leech in Silicon Valley. Internet Explorer was a hardcore rip-off of Netscape, which he essentially killed out of spite after stealing many good ideas from it. Microsoft literally copied the mac, which was itself based on the xerox demos. Bill Gates is nothing but a thief and never had an original idea....
just want to portray the extreme truth.
@@Shapar95 Microsoft licensed Mosaic to create Internet Explorer in 1995. And apple stole the GUI from xerox ,MS helped program it
jobs is nothing but a thief and never had an original idea....
Fantastic stuff as always!