@@RudyLib926 Ha! You are absolutely correct no it is not, but it at least seems to be more common around here in my "unscientific poll". A new out of state coworker was in town and he asked me how far away something was and I told him in minutes rather than distance. He laughed and said he asked how far, not how long to get there. He said that's not the first time he noticed someone doing the same with directions here. My uncle who grew up in CLE but lives in California said he noticed that too.
That's a great way of describing it. Back in the eighties, I moved from the Westside, Westlake to be exact to Shaker. My Jewish friends called the west side farmland. I laughed, but back then the east side had more diversity than the west side. I do like both sides, But
I know somebody who lives near Lutheran and they are convinced they live downtown, I said, if you lived under that bridge on the other side of the river it would be downtown. lmao.
Yep. Best thing to do is live NOWHERE IN the city if you're not a very wealthy person who has the means to live in the affluent areas, and choose, wisely, the suburbs. Avoid most of the ones on the east side. The plague is VERY real and it's creeping all the time. Trust me; I lived in Maple Heights for 25 years and finally got out, but still rent the house out. That dump gives East Cleveland a run for its money in the ghetto department - TERRIBLE roads, lots of crime, and a school system rated at or near the bottom of the state's ranking year after year after year. Garfield Heights isn't far behind either.
Factually speaking the east side gets more rain/snow/clouds due to the geography and elevation. Especially around the Chagrin Highlands and Chardon areas.
Great video, I literally just got homesick!!! I grew up in S. Euclid & hung out on the east side during my high school & college (Kent St) days. As far as getting downtown, I always cruised Chester in/out when I traveled there as if you drove 30-35 MPH, you'd hit all of the lights. Sneaking through the various neighborhoods was never an issue for me to get downtown, I found all of the shortcuts. When I didn't want to drive, the RTA 41 to Windermere could get me there or 34 to the Van Aken/Shaker rapid Lett in 90 when I joined the Navy, now currently living in the Virginia burbs near DC. The thing I miss most about CLE is it was a large city w/ o being so big. Trust me when I say I could get side to side in 30 minutes or less :) I've been to several of the world's largest cities over my lifetime (Singapore, LA, NYC, Chicago Tokyo, London, Paris to name a few) and we have just as much arts/culture as any of them, but they don't have the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame!! I miss the Flats of the mid/late 80s and all of bars/clubs you could catch a live performance; Blossom, Peabody's, Agora, etc. I visit the 216 often as I still have family/friends there.
The east side of Cleveland gets a LOT more snow than the west side and I can tell you exactly where it starts - East 185th street. You can be driving with good weather heading east from downtown, then as soon as you reach East 185th street, it is white out. I saw this happen many, many times.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 You spoke about all of a sudden coming into a wall cloud of snow and I've seen that many times driving down 90 right at E. 185th street. Either the lake shoreline makes a sudden turn in that area or there is a rise in elevation or something else is going on, but that is always where I saw that wall cloud of white out snow, just as you mention.
I remember when I first came to Northeast, Ohio many years ago, I stayed overnight in a hotel in Chagrin Falls. I didn't know at the time that I was right in the middle of the snow belt. Well my hotel room was on the very bottom floor and it had a sliding glass door that opened onto a small patio. I went to sleep that night being able to see everything out that glass door. In the morning, the whole thing was covered in snow - from bottom to top. I remember thinking, "my God what am I getting myself into!" Thank God, I learned that not all of northeast Ohio had snowfall that heavy!
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 And take it from me, you never want to have a flat tire right in Dead Man's Curve, in the middle of winter. I lived through that once and once was enough!
I'm a life-long Clevelander and live in the Westpark neighborhood. What Alex didn't address is that What is now Cleveland proper started as two different cities: Cleveland on the east side if the Cuyahoga and Ohio City on the west. The separation is part of the underlying rivalry between east and west. Also, one reason for the limited highway access on the east side was the eastern residents' resistance to highway construction. There was a fear that more east-west highways would allow more access to the east from westsiders. Many of the comments are from "Clevelanders" who are from Greater Cleveland rather than the actual city. The term "Greater Cleveland" is used to encompass Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs, and can include cities as different as Rocky River [higher-income whites] to East Cleveland [low-income blacks]. Often, people will say they are from Cleveland when more accurately they are from an outer-ring suburb in Cuyahoga County. Some will even take umbrage at being called a Clevelander. As far as racial makeup, Cleveland proper is 51 percent black, with most blacks living on the east side, though that is changing. Inner-ring suburbs, such as Parma are getting more blacks moving in. Cleveland has had a variety of black mayors, city council members, city council presidents, and police chiefs. Much of the crime in the city takes place in sketchy east side neighborhoods, though it is spreading west. Unlike cities such a Detroit, that fell on hard times with the loss of the auto industry, when Cleveland lost the steel industry and saw a diminution of auto part construction, it was lucky enough to fall back on the health industry, with world-class hospitals such as the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals.
Much of the crime in the area does not occur in sketchy east neighborhoods. The crime in minority occupied neighborhoods is more policed and reported on but there is not a higher prevalence of it. It’s a common misconception.
@@jasmine7744 you just made a complete false statement my brother is a cop used to work in Cleveland the Eastside is much worse from 185th the outskirts of downtown is very bad for the most part minus little Italy & Bratenhall so you have no clue! That also includes (East Cleveland! Stats don’t lie!
This is a great video for someone who is new to Cleveland or is planning to move to the area. AK's info is unbelievably accurate. All the major downtown venues are on the east side of the river. However I find that unless you're living in the areas just east of downtown, it is far easier to get into downtown from the westside suburbs than the eastside. Eastside neighborhoods seem to have the charm lacking in the westside. All in all, there's a place for everyone.
It’s funny because I grew up on E 33 and practically lived downtown, but you are right. The lack of highway access seems to isolate the east side suburbs more. You can only take 90 or 480 to get into downtown without driving through all the suburbs and neighborhoods, where as you are 10 minutes away from practically any freeway on the west side, even as far as Berea and Strongsville, and they all connect into the heart of downtown
I was born on the east side raised over there I live on the west side now and we are two different cities forsure I'm a east side kid by heart and will never change that.
I grew up on the east side of Cleveland moving around a lot so I’ve been in a lot of different neighborhoods and areas but I moved to Lakewood for 6 or 7 years and now I’m a west sider for the rest of my life I’m glad someone made a video about Cleveland that’s positive this is really a beautiful city that I’m proud to say I’m from, as a kid I hated it here wishing I was from a bigger city like a Chicago, LA, or NYC but now as an adult I appreciate it here more than ever. Also before I moved the the west side I heard more people saying that people on the west side were stuck up rather than the other way around and I liken the west side to being more like the south being that people seem to be more relaxed and easy going and the east to be more like a NYC everybody’s kind of into their own thing moving and going, busy and focused I don’t know if that makes sense or if anybody else feels that way but that’s my opinion. All in all I say all of this to say there’s no best side just preference all of Cleveland is great!
@@zythr9999 that was my point I grew up in a bunch of different east side Cleveland neighborhoods and lived in Lakewood for 6 or 7 years which made me appreciate the west side and now I live in Cleveland on the west side and I like it better than the east LOL
I'm a recent transplant to CLE from the western US. I work on the east side. Wife works right between 71 and 77 off of 480, so pretty central. When looking for a place, I was really focused on the east side and the very eastern edge of the west side. We ended up in Strongsville, as far south and west as you can go in Cuyahoga County. Everytime I'm on the east side, I lament that we didn't move there, I love the history and the archetecture. I really wanted to move to Shaker. But the west side had more of what we wanted in a home, and the taxes are so much less than most of the east side. And the schools are still among the best in the area and still some of the highest ranked in the state. Though I'm not a fan of my 30 mile commute, easy freeway access helps and I'm really enjoying the west side. Live just off of the Mill Stream Reservation, and the Metroparks are by far the best urban parks system of anywhere I've ever lived in the US or UK.
Thanks for your input! Strongsville is a great city and so is Shaker. West side tends to be more safe and the property taxes are lower too like you said.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 it's nice here but they really need to get tough on crime here. They don't seem to have the funding for the police to be a big tuff city force.
Overall a very good video! I would also add if you speak Spanish all of the Hispanic neighborhoods are on the westside. Also almost all of the Islamic community is centered on the westside. There a a few private Islamic schools as well as almost all of the mosques on the westside as well as a few shopping districts/markets with halal foods. Conversely if you are Jewish, most of the schools and synagogues are centered on the eastside. Hope that helps!
The old money on the East side is also from the original Cleveland settlers. I would put it at 25% of the money that is in Shaker today is from those families. It's descendants from the families who bought the original parcels in downtown when it was surveyed out. They moved East. And they hated Ohio City trying to build up.
Lifelong suburban Clevelander here...I really enjoyed your detailed look at the area! You gave some really great information--I especially enjoyed learning about how the rivalry between eastside and westside came about--and you did an excellent job presenting it. One question: do you ever show houses a little further out in the suburbs? I love my hometown of Chesterland, Ohio, which is only about a 25 minute drive from downtown Cleveland. If any of your clients are looking to work in the city but come home to a semi-rural town, a place that's also 30 minutes from Lake Erie (north) or Middlefield's Amish country (east), a place almost equidistant from many shopping and dining options in Mayfield or Mentor, a place near to several excellent parks and most importantly, a place that's a bit cheaper than Shaker Heights, Solon or Beachwood, I recommend Chesterland.
Cleveland native here, Westside to be precise. Living in the Middle East now for 20 years.. We have a small Ohio community here. We get together every sunday to watch the Browns and sometimes the Buckeyes. Hopefully this is the Brown's year.
I'm trying to move back to Cleveland. Unfortunately for Game Developers, there doesn't seem to be an industry in Cleveland for us. I grew up in Fairview Park and Avon Lake before moving to the UK in the early 00's. My Grandaddy used to run Cleveland Yacht Supply back in the day and was a real active member in the Cleveland Yacht Club.
Getting intongame dev stuff myself after working farcry5 arcade for years. There really isnt anything like that here.... I wouldnt move here especially as a game dev
Thank you for the elaborate video breaking down the differences that also includes some awesome history of the city. I’m an out of state investor new to the Cleveland market and just recently stumbled upon your channel. So far enjoying every bit of it. Keep up the great work!
@@Rhtjr-je2li For now. Yes they have new development, but areas by the 480 interchanges with 82 and 91 have really built up. If they could find a way to connect Liberty to a highway, it would not be too long before it was built up as well.
I would agree. There’s not a ton of diversity in the Cleveland area in general. there are “pockets” or neighborhoods with different ethnicity groups but majority is black and white, with most people stating west is white and east is black.
Since I worked all over the Cleveland Akron Metro area and beyond, Granger Twp. in Medina County where I reside is 5-10 minutes from I-76, I-71, I-77, I-271 and the Ohio Turnpike I-80. This made commuting very convenient. Downtown Cleveland takes 25 minutes.
Great Video.. The divide started to lighten with the closing of the steel mills back in the day. The die hard's had to move out of their beloved city to find work leaving only the retired elder generation that died off over time. But yes, still a city divided, and us native Clevelanders still feel the pride that our city is 2 cities in 1.. We like it that way.. =D Those of us that us that are old enough to remember anyway Ha!
I live in Indy now but was born and raised in Garfield. I had some family that lived on the west side and I used to hate going to my grandparents house because it took sooooo long. A good 45 minutes and that’s with getting on the highway. Love my hometown though. I remember when shaker used to be constantly in the top ten of most beautiful cities in the country.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 nope not Lorain but it was right before you got into Parma. I can’t remember what highway it was but they stayed right off highway. I miss my city good times. It’s a shame about East Cleveland. It used to be a nice place in the 70’s-80’s. A little bad but nothing like it is now. Tragic……….
Fairview Park has flooding issues due to the sewers being clogged. also, the pool at the rec center has been shut down for like 3 years and it's not getting fixed because people want the sewers fixed first
I've lived on the Southside of Cleveland (Miles,Lee,Harvard) area for about a year. I've lived on the Westside of Cleveland (Madison,Clark,West 25th) area for about a decade or more. And I've grew up on the Eastside ( East Cleveland, 105th,St Claire) area. For solitude and convince I recommend the Westside. For proximity to blue collar jobs I recommend the Southside/ Westside. For more space and spread out living conditions where you don't want to live piled on top of your neighbors I recommend the Eastside. The houses are so tiny and closed together on the Westside.
Old money moved further east when Millionaires Row was on the decline. The Severances and the Wades are largely responsible for the cultural institutions of University Circle. I was reading somewhere how the Wade family was pushing to make the botanical gardens free again. At one point they used to be.
Wow! Born and raised on the east side of Cleveland. Specifically growing up in the very urban Kinsman Ave. Which is right around the corner from Shaker. This video was excellent. Well put together and chock full of info. Makes me miss living there. Good stuff!
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 Glad he didn't take the property in that area. Its not good over there. 😂 Man I'm glad I came across your video. Even if I'm a bit late. I truly miss Cleveland and every thing about it. Especially places like Randall Mall that's been gone for so long. Anyway, thank you for the content. I'll be asking you what great places to eat at soon. I don't know anymore since I live elsewhere out of state.
I spent my earlier years on the west side (Brooklyn Centre), but the majority of my life on the east side in (Cleveland Heights). I HATED Cleveland Heights but we moved out of my area in the late 80's because my area was very racist. I was black growing up in a white family. People in the neighborhood got upset as grew older when I would leave my yard and walk around the neighborhood. Because of this, my family moved to Cleveland Heights (a more progressive and accepting city). Cleveland Heights bordered Shaker Heights which is a very upscale city and many people in Cleveland Heights (when I lived there) were very uppedy. Cleveland Heights was not very diverse. There weren't very many asians or hispanics in Cleveland Heights, just black and white. The west side has a lot more diversity and is way more interesting. After college, I moved back to Cleveland and followed my parents (who had moved back to the west side of Cleveland). I think the west side is the better area and is undergoing a huge renassance.
Born in Berea, grew up (until I was 9) in West Cleveland, but spent a huge amount of time with my grandmother in East Cleveland... my mom was East side born and raised, graduated from Shaw High
Love the video but saying Shaker Heights is like Rocky River is a bit crazy.... I get you for Westlake and Solon and maaaaaaaaybe Cleveland Heights and Lakewood
We love in chagrin falls! East side all day. West side is nice for lake activities, but east side is rolling green hills, country clubs, estates, charm and more established. Both are great easy side just is prettier to drive through. Love Cleveland all of it! Come visit!
Okay thank you for explaining that because I actually live in Cleveland heights so being a Cleveland I already know that's going to be like up and down the hills and since I have to go to school that way it's so much bumpiness though so thank you for explaining that
As for me i am pretty ok with rainy, snowy and cold weather Cleveland is featured. At the first glance it is comprehensive, full weigh mid sized, beautiful downtown.
When my people were in Cleveland from 1912-54 they lived on Euclid Ave, and also on Superior Ave (I don't know the Addy's). Dad graduated from Cathedral Latin in 26. I have no idea where that is either. I was up there in 88 and kept getting lost.
I grew up on the east side. Learned to drive in South Euclid. It honestly and truly NEVER occurred to me how much of a pain in the neck it was to get to a freeway, until I moved to the west side, and had a freeway less than 5 minutes from my front door. As far as the "old money/new money", never had much of it, so, it doesn't matter to me. Honestly, the entire west/east thing isn't really that big of an issue to me at all. Cleveland is a great place to live, and it has it's pluses and minuses like everywhere else.
I grew up in glenville and very easy access to the freeway. I eventually moved to Cleveland hts and was miserable because it felt like it took ten minutes just to get to the free way. And driving on the roads was horrible because of how poorly conditioned they were When I moved to lakewood it was great. Easy access to freeways
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 The newly opened Opportunity Corridor Boulevard actually does a good job of connecting the West Side to the East Side at University Circle.
In 1985 I got off the plane in Cleveland to see about a sick relative who's neighbor told me to take the red line to Windermere and get a cab to the condos on Green Road... the poor, sweet train driver wouldn't leave me by myself at the station at 0200am. After an hour NO taxi would come, so she got the CPD to give me a ride. My parent's left Cleveland in '64 a few months before I was born. Dad graduated from Cathedral Latin and Case Western. In the 1930s/40s tge family had a house on Paige Ave in East Cleveland. Several weeks ago I looked at it on Google maps and entire blocks were abandoned. The house was a 2 1/2 story Gothic... it looked like something out of the Adams Family. I understand that the City has "shot spotter" gunshot monitors and "real time crime" cameras all over the place. Enjoyed the video.
As a Lakewood resident I don't consider our sports teams as being on the East side. They feel like more a part of downtown. I feel the same about the West Side Market and The Flats.
"They're moving east, west, north, south". Well, moving north of Cleveland would make for interesting living. I guess you could put up a ice cabin part of the year 😂
Cleveland is really different when it comes to East and West sides. I have lived in both sides of Cleveland. Both sides of Cleveland have good and bad things. The East side has more entertainment and rich people, the West side is more suburban.
Cleveland architecture is either really cool or really basic… compare Cleveland heights, shaker, and east side neighborhoods to Parma, willowick, brook park
Good video, the one issue I have is the comment about the East side being stuck up. I worked for many years at the Great Lakes Mall and I worked at Great Northern Mall. The customers on the east side were much easier to deal with. The West Siders were stuck up and entitled. The irony is that my fellow Mall workers were more friendly on the west side than east. But that could come down to an us vs them mentality.
I lived in Westlake, right on the border with Bay Village, in the Westchester Townhouses from 2000-02, worked in Bedford Heights, and aside from Shaker Heights, there's no way in hell I'd ever live on the East Side....heading downtown from the west side, I wouldn't mind livin in the Tremont area, that was just startin to become gentrified when I enlisted in the Army and left Cleveland in '02...
Interesting perspective, but first of all downtown (as in the central business district) is its own thing. The West side might start at the river, but the East Side starts outside of downtown - or at the very least East of Public Square. The more desirable areas of the West Side are oriented towards the Lake and Downtown. The desirable of the East Side are oriented towards University Circle and the Chagrin River Valley. The culture on the East Side is more institutionalized, but the culture on the West Side is more bohemian and entrepreneurial. Except for University Circle and Shaker Square, I'd say the West Side has more of an urban feel. As you noted in the video there are more walkable neighborhoods and adhere to a grid street development. Lakewood is the most densely populated city in Ohio and one of the most densely populated in the country. The worst neighborhoods in Greater Cleveland are all on the East Side, and it's not limited to East Cleveland, because it includes St. Clair - Superior, Kinsman, Central, Hough, Fairfax, Slavic Village, Glenville, Mt Pleasant, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc. In the past year the Plain Dealer had an article that property values have become definitively higher on the West Side than the East Side. Price per square foot is much lower on the East Side and its not just the inner-city neighborhoods, because Rocky River for instance is more expensive than Shaker Heights. As you might have deduced - I'm a lifelong West Sider, but the reality is that in the past 30 years the West Side is more desirable.
I lived in Summit county for over a decade and traveled to Cleveland to work. The problem with all the cities in NE Ohio is all the cities in NE Ohio. That part of Ohio could completely change the quality of life of the citizens by consolidating towns and reducing the ridiculous number of separate municipalities.
@@queenbee3647 i went to school at solon and the only reason the school system seems awesome is because they give the students the answers to test questions to make their numbers look better
Greetings from Chicago and New York: I have slid past and visited Cleveland numerous times between Chicago and the East Coast. Cleveland does have some slight East Coast vibes to it. But, to me, Cleveland is solidly Midwest. The people are friendly, down to earth, and ready to make conversation. The architecture and development can be dense in some neighborhoods, but the pace is a little slower, and large swaths of the city are wide open and flat. The topography does start to change and become hillier on the other side of the Cuyahoga Valley. I feel the East Coast - Midwest divide at the Pennsylvania - Ohio border. The topography is so much steeper in Pennsylvania. Admittedly, Appalachia is kind of its own sub-region. Pittsburgh is not necessarily an East Coast city. If I were to draw my own map, I would color Appalachia with light shading, to show a transition effect into the East Coast. Driving from west to east via I-80, the Appalachian Mountains are a distinct barrier separating Great Lakes and Arctic Air from the Gulf Stream.
The west side is the start of true midwest and the east side represents the east coast feel of Cleveland. Its more appalachian on the east and more rural and country on the west.
The East side is far more run down and crime infested. I came up in the South burbs of the West side, and would have never considered the East side for a second.
Your just about right but I would break down east and west by food and restaurants as well. Also the Browns Stadium is considered the west side of Cleveland.
@@apispraetorium3275 I would consider west 9th to east 9th and from lake Erie down to the inner belt to be down town and neither east or west. 77 is the dividing line south of the inner belt.
@@ScottCleve33 I would definitely agree with the north and south borders of Downtown, but the east-west divide has always been the Cuyahoga River, and Playhouse Square plus CSU definitely count as Downtown Cleveland.
@@apispraetorium3275 CSU and Playhouse Square are probably more of an extension to downtown. For the most part downtown ends about East 9th. Also I wouldn't count the flats as downtown.
In terms of walkability, Cleveland is a somewhat walkable city overall. But there are various very walkable neighborhoods in Cleveland. 4 of those neighborhoods are on the West side and three are on the East.
Westsiders and Eastsiders might have some kind of rivalry, but let an "outsider" insult either side! Lol! No more rivalry! Clevelanders will fiercely defend our city!
you are right about west sider mentality regarding east side neighborhoods where bad things have happened although I must say, as a life long west sider myself I have felt just as welcome on the east side. I have delivered to some pretty rough neighborhoods and have seen some people who do look ruff neck but I always see it as if you don't get into someone else's business nothing will ever happen. South Hills is where I am and Brooklyn Centre is where I grew up so. I really like that Coach Stefanksi asked East Side or West Side in his first new conference, that felt like him becoming a part of us. There is a really really old part of a wall in Old Brooklyn, 200 years old still standing, the picture of what it used to be a grand house to now just this wall you can sit on. so much interest, it can take 5 years to see everything in Cleveland. Cleats has the best spinach pizza in Cleveland tand they are right on the border of East Side West Side. That bridge fight and that era of The Land should be a movie. Good job here. LeBron is receiving an incredible amount of disdain from many people around the world but there is one place where he can go where forgiveness is always on the plate. I don't know what will happen in the future but I would like to see Colin Sexton and LBJ play together. Broadview Hts/Brecksville School is best in all Ohio in my opinion. Cuyahoga Hts is a great an awesome school system and community, so clean.
I appreciate that insight William! No one knows Cleveland better than the locals, but like you said, it would take 5 years to see everything! There is a lot to offer.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 Amein . Nobody does videos talking about the great deals, discounts and diners we have here in The Land. So many sit down eateries to speak of. I wish the 49er would come back, oh well.
Nice vid - enjoyed it alot. It's interesting to learn what makes a region 'great' from a millennials' view point compared to older gens. I'll add some info that was left out: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo are real cities - they literally built other cities and our modern civilization - steel, rubber, glass, coal, cement - that's what made glitzy Orlando, Austin, Atlanta, Dallas, LA, Phoenix & on & on possible. Then those industries got torn right out from under the region, leaving entire regions scrambling to adjust & survive and innovate. CLE & PIT have done this by diversification into other high tech industries & are thriving - and again competing globally in health care and R&D. The region can feed itself - Las Vegas can't. The region has 4 seasons and entertains itself (from Cedar Point to the MetroParks to L. Erie), each season offers outdoor activities not found in many regions. The arts/culture scene alone is among the world's best with Playhouse Square & University Circle. Three pro sports teams for a mid sized city is pretty nice. And a massive skilled workforce that doesn't shy away from adversity or a challenge. A region that's built by hard working families doing the best they can and never giving up on making Cleveland the best city it can be - these attributes are what makes a city great - these qualities might not be glamorous, but they're real, and they're found in over 3 million across metropolitan Cleveland.
@The mysterious Miss X Sorry you feel that way about 'those towns' that built America. I've been to many places across the country - and still feel Cle & Pit have done a nice job of rebounding after being hit so hard in the 70's. Yeah the inner cities are rough, but every city has that. The suburbs have it pretty nice. Look up the hell other cities are dealing with the homelessness/drugs found in Seattle, Portland, Austin, LA & Denver if you think CLE & PIT are so bad. I'm not living in the past, but in the present - Cle/Pits are much nicer now than they were back in the day. BTW, I'm Gen X - I was responding to the Millennial who made this vid - saying a region's great because of the ease of bar hopping -
As a Westsider in the fifties...(West Park)...East side was the AfroAmerican and Jewish side...Westside bad the Westside market and the Zoo and the Airport...East side had the art museum and Symphony...and University Circle...but don't confuse the suburbs with Cleveland.... The suburbs developed after the highways were built....
The highway access is a HUGE benefit of the west side. I’ve never gotten angrier driving than on the east side. There are so many traffic lights to get to the highway.
You know you're from the Cleveland area when you measure distance in time.
I’m from Cleveland definitely true!
I don’t think that is exclusive to Cleveland
@@RudyLib926 Ha! You are absolutely correct no it is not, but it at least seems to be more common around here in my "unscientific poll". A new out of state coworker was in town and he asked me how far away something was and I told him in minutes rather than distance. He laughed and said he asked how far, not how long to get there. He said that's not the first time he noticed someone doing the same with directions here. My uncle who grew up in CLE but lives in California said he noticed that too.
We do it further south as well. Ten miles by car is nothing, unless it takes you 20 minutes to drive it
That's actually common in a lot of places.
Born and raised in Cleveland. I always felt that the west side was in the Midwest and the East Side was East coast.
That's a great way of describing it. Back in the eighties, I moved from the Westside, Westlake to be exact to Shaker. My Jewish friends called the west side farmland. I laughed, but back then the east side had more diversity than the west side. I do like both sides, But
Continued, but the east had an old city feeling that the west lacked.
I lived in Willowick for several years and your Midwest/East Coast description is close to accurate and I would agree with it.
@@faithfulforever6331 I always felt this way, and further south in the Cleveland area is like Appalachia.
@@luisasantiagogross7201 Thanks, I always felt this way. It's not good or bad, just a perception that I had.
Cleveland is two cities that share a downtown.
I know somebody who lives near Lutheran and they are convinced they live downtown, I said, if you lived under that bridge on the other side of the river it would be downtown. lmao.
SOUTHSIDE! I love Medina County!
@@williamholloway2564 The hospital?
Two cities? Cleveland and Pittsburgh
@@corchem Medina is Medina. Not a south side of Cleveland.
Westside: get robbed once a week
Eastside: get robbed everyday
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Yep. Best thing to do is live NOWHERE IN the city if you're not a very wealthy person who has the means to live in the affluent areas, and choose, wisely, the suburbs. Avoid most of the ones on the east side. The plague is VERY real and it's creeping all the time. Trust me; I lived in Maple Heights for 25 years and finally got out, but still rent the house out. That dump gives East Cleveland a run for its money in the ghetto department - TERRIBLE roads, lots of crime, and a school system rated at or near the bottom of the state's ranking year after year after year. Garfield Heights isn't far behind either.
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It seem like the sun shines brighter on the Westside
Completely agree lol weird how that works
Less smog in the Air.
Factually speaking the east side gets more rain/snow/clouds due to the geography and elevation. Especially around the Chagrin Highlands and Chardon areas.
Great video, I literally just got homesick!!! I grew up in S. Euclid & hung out on the east side during my high school & college (Kent St) days. As far as getting downtown, I always cruised Chester in/out when I traveled there as if you drove 30-35 MPH, you'd hit all of the lights. Sneaking through the various neighborhoods was never an issue for me to get downtown, I found all of the shortcuts. When I didn't want to drive, the RTA 41 to Windermere could get me there or 34 to the Van Aken/Shaker rapid Lett in 90 when I joined the Navy, now currently living in the Virginia burbs near DC. The thing I miss most about CLE is it was a large city w/ o being so big. Trust me when I say I could get side to side in 30 minutes or less :) I've been to several of the world's largest cities over my lifetime (Singapore, LA, NYC, Chicago Tokyo, London, Paris to name a few) and we have just as much arts/culture as any of them, but they don't have the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame!! I miss the Flats of the mid/late 80s and all of bars/clubs you could catch a live performance; Blossom, Peabody's, Agora, etc. I visit the 216 often as I still have family/friends there.
The east side of Cleveland gets a LOT more snow than the west side and I can tell you exactly where it starts - East 185th street. You can be driving with good weather heading east from downtown, then as soon as you reach East 185th street, it is white out. I saw this happen many, many times.
Haha good to know! I’ll have to pay attention next time
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 You spoke about all of a sudden coming into a wall cloud of snow and I've seen that many times driving down 90 right at E. 185th street. Either the lake shoreline makes a sudden turn in that area or there is a rise in elevation or something else is going on, but that is always where I saw that wall cloud of white out snow, just as you mention.
I remember when I first came to Northeast, Ohio many years ago, I stayed overnight in a hotel in Chagrin Falls. I didn't know at the time that I was right in the middle of the snow belt. Well my hotel room was on the very bottom floor and it had a sliding glass door that opened onto a small patio. I went to sleep that night being able to see everything out that glass door. In the morning, the whole thing was covered in snow - from bottom to top. I remember thinking, "my God what am I getting myself into!" Thank God, I learned that not all of northeast Ohio had snowfall that heavy!
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 And take it from me, you never want to have a flat tire right in Dead Man's Curve, in the middle of winter. I lived through that once and once was enough!
More rain too
I'm a life-long Clevelander and live in the Westpark neighborhood. What Alex didn't address is that What is now Cleveland proper started as two different cities: Cleveland on the east side if the Cuyahoga and Ohio City on the west. The separation is part of the underlying rivalry between east and west. Also, one reason for the limited highway access on the east side was the eastern residents' resistance to highway construction. There was a fear that more east-west highways would allow more access to the east from westsiders.
Many of the comments are from "Clevelanders" who are from Greater Cleveland rather than the actual city. The term "Greater Cleveland" is used to encompass Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs, and can include cities as different as Rocky River [higher-income whites] to East Cleveland [low-income blacks]. Often, people will say they are from Cleveland when more accurately they are from an outer-ring suburb in Cuyahoga County. Some will even take umbrage at being called a Clevelander.
As far as racial makeup, Cleveland proper is 51 percent black, with most blacks living on the east side, though that is changing. Inner-ring suburbs, such as Parma are getting more blacks moving in. Cleveland has had a variety of black mayors, city council members, city council presidents, and police chiefs. Much of the crime in the city takes place in sketchy east side neighborhoods, though it is spreading west.
Unlike cities such a Detroit, that fell on hard times with the loss of the auto industry, when Cleveland lost the steel industry and saw a diminution of auto part construction, it was lucky enough to fall back on the health industry, with world-class hospitals such as the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals.
well said!
You are right…If it wasn’t for Cleveland Clinic, University Hospital, and the county supported Metro Health we would be another Detroit.
Much of the crime in the area does not occur in sketchy east neighborhoods. The crime in minority occupied neighborhoods is more policed and reported on but there is not a higher prevalence of it. It’s a common misconception.
@@jasmine7744 you just made a complete false statement my brother is a cop used to work in Cleveland the Eastside is much worse from 185th the outskirts of downtown is very bad for the most part minus little Italy & Bratenhall so you have no clue! That also includes (East Cleveland! Stats don’t lie!
@@jasmine7744 it’s more policed cause it has to be!
This is a great video for someone who is new to Cleveland or is planning to move to the area. AK's info is unbelievably accurate. All the major downtown venues are on the east side of the river. However I find that unless you're living in the areas just east of downtown, it is far easier to get into downtown from the westside suburbs than the eastside. Eastside neighborhoods seem to have the charm lacking in the westside. All in all, there's a place for everyone.
Thanks Ramon! you're the man and thanks for your input.
I agree!
It’s funny because I grew up on E 33 and practically lived downtown, but you are right. The lack of highway access seems to isolate the east side suburbs more. You can only take 90 or 480 to get into downtown without driving through all the suburbs and neighborhoods, where as you are 10 minutes away from practically any freeway on the west side, even as far as Berea and Strongsville, and they all connect into the heart of downtown
Very nicely done. I'm from CLE living abroad, and this was like a nice trip home. I could tell you served in the military. Good briefing!
Thank you!!😁
Me too... A Clevelander living abroad...
Also Cleveland's economic restructuring & rise started well before the cavs and lebron
I agree, but I think it was a catalyst
Living in Northeast Ohio haha.
I was born on the east side raised over there I live on the west side now and we are two different cities forsure I'm a east side kid by heart and will never change that.
I grew up on the east side of Cleveland moving around a lot so I’ve been in a lot of different neighborhoods and areas but I moved to Lakewood for 6 or 7 years and now I’m a west sider for the rest of my life I’m glad someone made a video about Cleveland that’s positive this is really a beautiful city that I’m proud to say I’m from, as a kid I hated it here wishing I was from a bigger city like a Chicago, LA, or NYC but now as an adult I appreciate it here more than ever. Also before I moved the the west side I heard more people saying that people on the west side were stuck up rather than the other way around and I liken the west side to being more like the south being that people seem to be more relaxed and easy going and the east to be more like a NYC everybody’s kind of into their own thing moving and going, busy and focused I don’t know if that makes sense or if anybody else feels that way but that’s my opinion. All in all I say all of this to say there’s no best side just preference all of Cleveland is great!
You can say that, living in Lakewood, LOL
@@zythr9999 I said I lived in Lakewood for 6 or 7 years, lived being past tense meaning I don’t live there anymore Sir LOL
@@quinn2163 I got it LOL. it's quite a bit different living in actual Cleve neighborhoods.
@@zythr9999 that was my point I grew up in a bunch of different east side Cleveland neighborhoods and lived in Lakewood for 6 or 7 years which made me appreciate the west side and now I live in Cleveland on the west side and I like it better than the east LOL
@@quinn2163 I see. Lucky you. With a few exceptions, living in an East side Cleveland neighborhood, sucks lol
I'm a recent transplant to CLE from the western US. I work on the east side. Wife works right between 71 and 77 off of 480, so pretty central. When looking for a place, I was really focused on the east side and the very eastern edge of the west side. We ended up in Strongsville, as far south and west as you can go in Cuyahoga County. Everytime I'm on the east side, I lament that we didn't move there, I love the history and the archetecture. I really wanted to move to Shaker. But the west side had more of what we wanted in a home, and the taxes are so much less than most of the east side. And the schools are still among the best in the area and still some of the highest ranked in the state. Though I'm not a fan of my 30 mile commute, easy freeway access helps and I'm really enjoying the west side. Live just off of the Mill Stream Reservation, and the Metroparks are by far the best urban parks system of anywhere I've ever lived in the US or UK.
Thanks for your input! Strongsville is a great city and so is Shaker. West side tends to be more safe and the property taxes are lower too like you said.
from san diego CA here, i live in old brooklyn now !
@@TeamAemrica nice! How do you like old Brooklyn?!
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 it's nice here but they really need to get tough on crime here. They don't seem to have the funding for the police to be a big tuff city force.
Spot on! Raised in Shaker Heights 💕
Overall a very good video! I would also add if you speak Spanish all of the Hispanic neighborhoods are on the westside. Also almost all of the Islamic community is centered on the westside. There a a few private Islamic schools as well as almost all of the mosques on the westside as well as a few shopping districts/markets with halal foods. Conversely if you are Jewish, most of the schools and synagogues are centered on the eastside. Hope that helps!
The old money on the East side is also from the original Cleveland settlers. I would put it at 25% of the money that is in Shaker today is from those families. It's descendants from the families who bought the original parcels in downtown when it was surveyed out. They moved East. And they hated Ohio City trying to build up.
Lifelong suburban Clevelander here...I really enjoyed your detailed look at the area! You gave some really great information--I especially enjoyed learning about how the rivalry between eastside and westside came about--and you did an excellent job presenting it. One question: do you ever show houses a little further out in the suburbs? I love my hometown of Chesterland, Ohio, which is only about a 25 minute drive from downtown Cleveland. If any of your clients are looking to work in the city but come home to a semi-rural town, a place that's also 30 minutes from Lake Erie (north) or Middlefield's Amish country (east), a place almost equidistant from many shopping and dining options in Mayfield or Mentor, a place near to several excellent parks and most importantly, a place that's a bit cheaper than Shaker Heights, Solon or Beachwood, I recommend Chesterland.
@The mysterious Miss X Fair point. The commute can be a pain if you don't have reliable transportation or if the weather's bad.
Cleveland native here, Westside to be precise. Living in the Middle East now for 20 years.. We have a small Ohio community here. We get together every sunday to watch the Browns and sometimes the Buckeyes. Hopefully this is the Brown's year.
Hopefully this is the brown’s year 😂 if I had a dollar everytime I heard that haha but couldn’t agree more!
I'm trying to move back to Cleveland. Unfortunately for Game Developers, there doesn't seem to be an industry in Cleveland for us. I grew up in Fairview Park and Avon Lake before moving to the UK in the early 00's. My Grandaddy used to run Cleveland Yacht Supply back in the day and was a real active member in the Cleveland Yacht Club.
Getting intongame dev stuff myself after working farcry5 arcade for years. There really isnt anything like that here....
I wouldnt move here especially as a game dev
I remember going to the Yacht club as a kid in the early 90's and swimming in the pool there. I forgot about that place until you mentioned it.
I've never watched/heard/read someone go into as much detail into CLE as you did. 😂
I know! Bout to go into even more detail. People looking to move into the land are lost and don’t know where to start looking.
As an East Sider who lives near an RTA train station I gotta it is a shame that they don’t have more train lines
Thank you for the elaborate video breaking down the differences that also includes some awesome history of the city. I’m an out of state investor new to the Cleveland market and just recently stumbled upon your channel. So far enjoying every bit of it. Keep up the great work!
We live in Twinsburg but I would definitely go west once my son graduates. All the cool stuff is on the west side.
I agree! Super fun neighborhoods. Make sure you reach out to me once that time comes, would love to help!
Twinsburg is slowly losing its small town charm
@@Rhtjr-je2li For now. Yes they have new development, but areas by the 480 interchanges with 82 and 91 have really built up. If they could find a way to connect Liberty to a highway, it would not be too long before it was built up as well.
@@Rhtjr-je2li yeah i grew up in solon and solon turned into a busier more city like place first, but twinsburg is on its way.
Cleveland west side is definitely new money and majority white. The two sides rarely cross over depending on where you grew up.
I would agree. There’s not a ton of diversity in the Cleveland area in general. there are “pockets” or neighborhoods with different ethnicity groups but majority is black and white, with most people stating west is white and east is black.
Since I worked all over the Cleveland Akron Metro area and beyond, Granger Twp. in Medina County where I reside is 5-10 minutes from I-76, I-71, I-77, I-271 and the Ohio Turnpike I-80. This made commuting very convenient. Downtown Cleveland takes 25 minutes.
Great Video.. The divide started to lighten with the closing of the steel mills back in the day. The die hard's had to move out of their beloved city to find work leaving only the retired elder generation that died off over time. But yes, still a city divided, and us native Clevelanders still feel the pride that our city is 2 cities in 1.. We like it that way.. =D Those of us that us that are old enough to remember anyway Ha!
I live in Indy now but was born and raised in Garfield. I had some family that lived on the west side and I used to hate going to my grandparents house because it took sooooo long. A good 45 minutes and that’s with getting on the highway. Love my hometown though. I remember when shaker used to be constantly in the top ten of most beautiful cities in the country.
Hey Brian! Wow, they must have lived in Lorain! That’s a far drive. And you’re right about Shaker, it’s very pretty.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 nope not Lorain but it was right before you got into Parma. I can’t remember what highway it was but they stayed right off highway. I miss my city good times. It’s a shame about East Cleveland. It used to be a nice place in the 70’s-80’s. A little bad but nothing like it is now. Tragic……….
Grew up on the east side, currently reside on the west side. It's like being in two different states.
Fairview Park has flooding issues due to the sewers being clogged. also, the pool at the rec center has been shut down for like 3 years and it's not getting fixed because people want the sewers fixed first
I've lived on the Southside of Cleveland (Miles,Lee,Harvard) area for about a year. I've lived on the Westside of Cleveland (Madison,Clark,West 25th) area for about a decade or more. And I've grew up on the Eastside ( East Cleveland, 105th,St Claire) area. For solitude and convince I recommend the Westside. For proximity to blue collar jobs I recommend the Southside/ Westside. For more space and spread out living conditions where you don't want to live piled on top of your neighbors I recommend the Eastside. The houses are so tiny and closed together on the Westside.
Far East side, 23 miles east (AKA Geauga County) is very conservative.
Old money moved further east when Millionaires Row was on the decline. The Severances and the Wades are largely responsible for the cultural institutions of University Circle. I was reading somewhere how the Wade family was pushing to make the botanical gardens free again. At one point they used to be.
Wow! Born and raised on the east side of Cleveland. Specifically growing up in the very urban Kinsman Ave. Which is right around the corner from Shaker. This video was excellent. Well put together and chock full of info. Makes me miss living there. Good stuff!
I appreciate that 🙏 I just showed a property right over there this morning.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 Hopefully not in the Kinsman area. 😅 Anyway, I think I will take a visit back to visit family once the snow clears.
@@MrRafie82 Near Kinsman, he didnt like the area so we're looking else where lol I dont blame you, tons of snow right now!
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 Glad he didn't take the property in that area. Its not good over there. 😂 Man I'm glad I came across your video. Even if I'm a bit late. I truly miss Cleveland and every thing about it. Especially places like Randall Mall that's been gone for so long. Anyway, thank you for the content. I'll be asking you what great places to eat at soon. I don't know anymore since I live elsewhere out of state.
Lakewood, Ohio City and Tremont has older architecture.
I spent my earlier years on the west side (Brooklyn Centre), but the majority of my life on the east side in (Cleveland Heights). I HATED Cleveland Heights but we moved out of my area in the late 80's because my area was very racist. I was black growing up in a white family. People in the neighborhood got upset as grew older when I would leave my yard and walk around the neighborhood. Because of this, my family moved to Cleveland Heights (a more progressive and accepting city). Cleveland Heights bordered Shaker Heights which is a very upscale city and many people in Cleveland Heights (when I lived there) were very uppedy. Cleveland Heights was not very diverse. There weren't very many asians or hispanics in Cleveland Heights, just black and white. The west side has a lot more diversity and is way more interesting. After college, I moved back to Cleveland and followed my parents (who had moved back to the west side of Cleveland). I think the west side is the better area and is undergoing a huge renassance.
I appreciate hearing your story Jerry 🙏
I'm glad for you! One should live where the heart is and where people are nice!
I live on the west side, work on the east side. Found good people all around.
Yeah, I grew up in Cleveland and graduated from Shaker...not until college did I notice Eastside doesn't have enough highway access.
Born in Berea, grew up (until I was 9) in West Cleveland, but spent a huge amount of time with my grandmother in East Cleveland... my mom was East side born and raised, graduated from Shaw High
Love the video but saying Shaker Heights is like Rocky River is a bit crazy.... I get you for Westlake and Solon and maaaaaaaaybe Cleveland Heights and Lakewood
Great job, young man. I learned a lot. Now I need to visit Cleveland some time and see all these neighborhoods. Thank you, sir.
I’m glad you found the video useful!!!
Be careful over on the Eastside. You get robbed, especially if you not from there.
He didnt name any eastside area all outskirts
I'm from the east side of Cleveland (E. 105th and Euclid). It ain't nothing to brag about.
Thats the hood but at the same time lots of huge homes between (E105th) St Clair, Superior, and Euclid Avenues.
East Side put Cleveland on the map!!!! S/O to all my East Siders!!
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Big utw shit😂
We love in chagrin falls! East side all day. West side is nice for lake activities, but east side is rolling green hills, country clubs, estates, charm and more established. Both are great easy side just is prettier to drive through. Love Cleveland all of it! Come visit!
Okay thank you for explaining that because I actually live in Cleveland heights so being a Cleveland I already know that's going to be like up and down the hills and since I have to go to school that way it's so much bumpiness though so thank you for explaining that
As for me i am pretty ok with rainy, snowy and cold weather Cleveland is featured. At the first glance it is comprehensive, full weigh mid sized, beautiful downtown.
Superb! As an ex=Clevelander looking to move back for family issues, you have NAILED it! What a superb site! Thank you!
Thank you 🙏 😁
Bruh Parma & Shaker Heights ain’t Cleveland though 😂
Greater Cleveland area but not down the way
Huh....
Parma is part of Cleveland
@@benjaminwagner8141 gtfoh👉👉👉 Parma has their own Mayor & everything
When my people were in Cleveland from 1912-54 they lived on Euclid Ave, and also on Superior Ave (I don't know the Addy's). Dad graduated from Cathedral Latin in 26. I have no idea where that is either. I was up there in 88 and kept getting lost.
Just recently moved from Florida to Chesterland and we fall in love with the area. By the way we bought a house without looking at it. 😂
Absolutely true!! Everything is 10-15-20 min away regardless where you’re going lol we all say the same thing
Videos are getting better and better production 👌🏾
Takes some time haha thank you!
Born and raised on the West side. I always say you could blindfold me, drive me around, and I could tell if I was on the East side vs West side!
Born & raised on the east side of Cleveland!👌🏾 also I definitely recommend the west side of Cleveland as well
I grew up on the east side. Learned to drive in South Euclid. It honestly and truly NEVER occurred to me how much of a pain in the neck it was to get to a freeway, until I moved to the west side, and had a freeway less than 5 minutes from my front door. As far as the "old money/new money", never had much of it, so, it doesn't matter to me. Honestly, the entire west/east thing isn't really that big of an issue to me at all. Cleveland is a great place to live, and it has it's pluses and minuses like everywhere else.
Completely agree! The highways are so convenient on the west side.
I grew up in glenville and very easy access to the freeway.
I eventually moved to Cleveland hts and was miserable because it felt like it took ten minutes just to get to the free way. And driving on the roads was horrible because of how poorly conditioned they were
When I moved to lakewood it was great. Easy access to freeways
@@livinginnortheastohio8643
The newly opened Opportunity Corridor Boulevard actually does a good job of connecting the West Side to the East Side at University Circle.
Born there in 53 moved out in 82 dont miss it at all, one of the best cities to move out of,,, very depressing place to live,,,,
Im sure the city has changed quite a bit over the last 40 years.
One thing I can always laugh about is MGK says he's an Eastside Cleveland wild boy, but from Shaker
In 1985 I got off the plane in Cleveland to see about a sick relative who's neighbor told me to take the red line to Windermere and get a cab to the condos on Green Road... the poor, sweet train driver wouldn't leave me by myself at the station at 0200am. After an hour NO taxi would come, so she got the CPD to give me a ride. My parent's left Cleveland in '64 a few months before I was born. Dad graduated from Cathedral Latin and Case Western. In the 1930s/40s tge family had a house on Paige Ave in East Cleveland. Several weeks ago I looked at it on Google maps and entire blocks were abandoned. The house was a 2 1/2 story Gothic... it looked like something out of the Adams Family. I understand that the City has "shot spotter" gunshot monitors and "real time crime" cameras all over the place. Enjoyed the video.
was living in east cleveland by the train station on Doan ave ,when you arrived. lol Live in Chicagoland now. Was in 8th grade 1985
@cle-chi We're in South Louisiana and it's a BIG difference. Stay safe up in Shy Town !
I grew up in Rocky River and I really liked this video.
My man! Thank you!
As a Lakewood resident I don't consider our sports teams as being on the East side. They feel like more a part of downtown. I feel the same about the West Side Market and The Flats.
"They're moving east, west, north, south".
Well, moving north of Cleveland would make for interesting living. I guess you could put up a ice cabin part of the year 😂
Lmao whoops! You’re not wrong 😂
Doing research for sci fiction stories. This video helps a lot. Thank you!
He talked about the hills and winding roads as i was literally driving on superior in cleveland hts.
haha winding roads all throughout there.
Cleveland is really different when it comes to East and West sides. I have lived in both sides of Cleveland. Both sides of Cleveland have good and bad things. The East side has more entertainment and rich people, the West side is more suburban.
well said James, I appreciate your input! Pros and cons to each side for sure.
Cleveland architecture is either really cool or really basic… compare Cleveland heights, shaker, and east side neighborhoods to Parma, willowick, brook park
The streets dude, the streets! I love watching people not from the east side trying to navigate. It’s just so funny to me.
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I’m not from the land but E.72nd to E.105th is my people. St.Clair ave all day. Great video and thank you.
Good video, the one issue I have is the comment about the East side being stuck up. I worked for many years at the Great Lakes Mall and I worked at Great Northern Mall. The customers on the east side were much easier to deal with. The West Siders were stuck up and entitled.
The irony is that my fellow Mall workers were more friendly on the west side than east. But that could come down to an us vs them mentality.
I lived in Westlake, right on the border with Bay Village, in the Westchester Townhouses from 2000-02, worked in Bedford Heights, and aside from Shaker Heights, there's no way in hell I'd ever live on the East Side....heading downtown from the west side, I wouldn't mind livin in the Tremont area, that was just startin to become gentrified when I enlisted in the Army and left Cleveland in '02...
I live on Westside N Olmstead work Eastside E. 91 and never leave home without my Glock.
Interesting perspective, but first of all downtown (as in the central business district) is its own thing. The West side might start at the river, but the East Side starts outside of downtown - or at the very least East of Public Square. The more desirable areas of the West Side are oriented towards the Lake and Downtown. The desirable of the East Side are oriented towards University Circle and the Chagrin River Valley. The culture on the East Side is more institutionalized, but the culture on the West Side is more bohemian and entrepreneurial. Except for University Circle and Shaker Square, I'd say the West Side has more of an urban feel. As you noted in the video there are more walkable neighborhoods and adhere to a grid street development. Lakewood is the most densely populated city in Ohio and one of the most densely populated in the country. The worst neighborhoods in Greater Cleveland are all on the East Side, and it's not limited to East Cleveland, because it includes St. Clair - Superior, Kinsman, Central, Hough, Fairfax, Slavic Village, Glenville, Mt Pleasant, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc. In the past year the Plain Dealer had an article that property values have become definitively higher on the West Side than the East Side. Price per square foot is much lower on the East Side and its not just the inner-city neighborhoods, because Rocky River for instance is more expensive than Shaker Heights. As you might have deduced - I'm a lifelong West Sider, but the reality is that in the past 30 years the West Side is more desirable.
Thanks for including Slavic Village in the worst neighborhoods list. Why? Im being sarcastic by the way.
🎉 What a great video! Thanks for sharing!
grew up east side, live west side now. fantastic analysis on the land.
I lived in Summit county for over a decade and traveled to Cleveland to work. The problem with all the cities in NE Ohio is all the cities in NE Ohio. That part of Ohio could completely change the quality of life of the citizens by consolidating towns and reducing the ridiculous number of separate municipalities.
I grew up in West Park in the 60s and 70s... so much different than today.
im from Cleveland Ohio it got too dangerous for me and cleveland too small to be that dangerous
Moved to SolonOhio, the east side and love it.
I live close by in Portage County. I HATE the Solon traffic! Your school system is supposedly awesome though.
@@queenbee3647 i went to school at solon and the only reason the school system seems awesome is because they give the students the answers to test questions to make their numbers look better
i lived in solon for 13 years
Cleveland sounds interesting. I must come one day.
Bring a gun lol
LOL 😆
Good job explaining my hometown of Cleveland, OH
East side gets too much snow 🤢 west side for life!
100% true about the snow.
Greetings from Chicago and New York:
I have slid past and visited Cleveland numerous times between Chicago and the East Coast.
Cleveland does have some slight East Coast vibes to it. But, to me, Cleveland is solidly Midwest. The people are friendly, down to earth, and ready to make conversation. The architecture and development can be dense in some neighborhoods, but the pace is a little slower, and large swaths of the city are wide open and flat.
The topography does start to change and become hillier on the other side of the Cuyahoga Valley.
I feel the East Coast - Midwest divide at the Pennsylvania - Ohio border.
The topography is so much steeper in Pennsylvania.
Admittedly, Appalachia is kind of its own sub-region.
Pittsburgh is not necessarily an East Coast city. If I were to draw my own map, I would color Appalachia with light shading, to show a transition effect into the East Coast. Driving from west to east via I-80, the Appalachian Mountains are a distinct barrier separating Great Lakes and Arctic Air from the Gulf Stream.
I would recommend moving to berea and middleburg heights if your moving to the west side it is a nicer looking area than Parma or brook park
Berea the best
The west side is the start of true midwest and the east side represents the east coast feel of Cleveland. Its more appalachian on the east and more rural and country on the west.
Great vid, from Orlando considering moving up there
The East side is far more run down and crime infested. I came up in the South burbs of the West side, and would have never considered the East side for a second.
Your just about right but I would break down east and west by food and restaurants as well. Also the Browns Stadium is considered the west side of Cleveland.
Nobody considers anything Downtown as east or west, it’s just Downtown.
@@apispraetorium3275 I would consider west 9th to east 9th and from lake Erie down to the inner belt to be down town and neither east or west. 77 is the dividing line south of the inner belt.
@@ScottCleve33 I would definitely agree with the north and south borders of Downtown, but the east-west divide has always been the Cuyahoga River, and Playhouse Square plus CSU definitely count as Downtown Cleveland.
@@apispraetorium3275 CSU and Playhouse Square are probably more of an extension to downtown. For the most part downtown ends about East 9th. Also I wouldn't count the flats as downtown.
I grew up in Cleveland in the 70's and 80"s. Its definitely not the same place.
Honey, I grew up there in the 60's!!! You are absolutely right!!! Today, it is definitely not where I grew up anymore!
I’m from Springfield Ohio and was looking to move over there so Tnx it was helpful
Wow... entertained by the suggestion that a bunch of freeway boxes are actually a good thing...
East is rough. I've been looking at homes in Cleveland. There's a hard push to buy East Cleveland but they aren't selling to me.
What do you mean they are not selling to you? As long as you’re pre approved or have cash you’re good to go
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 he doesnt want to buy cos he thinks its scary
In terms of walkability, Cleveland is a somewhat walkable city overall. But there are various very walkable neighborhoods in Cleveland. 4 of those neighborhoods are on the West side and three are on the East.
7:38 I live right in the middle of that snow band lol. thinking about coming down there at some point
If they tore all those big old houses down on the Eastside some parts of town would look like a a beautiful Forest 💯😃
Solid review!
You need to include the south side, like Strongsville which is the largest land area in the county.
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Westsiders and Eastsiders might have some kind of rivalry, but let an "outsider" insult either side! Lol! No more rivalry! Clevelanders will fiercely defend our city!
you are right about west sider mentality regarding east side neighborhoods where bad things have happened although I must say, as a life long west sider myself I have felt just as welcome on the east side. I have delivered to some pretty rough neighborhoods and have seen some people who do look ruff neck but I always see it as if you don't get into someone else's business nothing will ever happen. South Hills is where I am and Brooklyn Centre is where I grew up so. I really like that Coach Stefanksi asked East Side or West Side in his first new conference, that felt like him becoming a part of us. There is a really really old part of a wall in Old Brooklyn, 200 years old still standing, the picture of what it used to be a grand house to now just this wall you can sit on. so much interest, it can take 5 years to see everything in Cleveland. Cleats has the best spinach pizza in Cleveland tand they are right on the border of East Side West Side. That bridge fight and that era of The Land should be a movie. Good job here. LeBron is receiving an incredible amount of disdain from many people around the world but there is one place where he can go where forgiveness is always on the plate. I don't know what will happen in the future but I would like to see Colin Sexton and LBJ play together. Broadview Hts/Brecksville School is best in all Ohio in my opinion. Cuyahoga Hts is a great an awesome school system and community, so clean.
I appreciate that insight William! No one knows Cleveland better than the locals, but like you said, it would take 5 years to see everything! There is a lot to offer.
West side is better.
@@livinginnortheastohio8643 Amein . Nobody does videos talking about the great deals, discounts and diners we have here in The Land. So many sit down eateries to speak of. I wish the 49er would come back, oh well.
Nice vid - enjoyed it alot. It's interesting to learn what makes a region 'great' from a millennials' view point compared to older gens. I'll add some info that was left out: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo are real cities - they literally built other cities and our modern civilization - steel, rubber, glass, coal, cement - that's what made glitzy Orlando, Austin, Atlanta, Dallas, LA, Phoenix & on & on possible. Then those industries got torn right out from under the region, leaving entire regions scrambling to adjust & survive and innovate. CLE & PIT have done this by diversification into other high tech industries & are thriving - and again competing globally in health care and R&D. The region can feed itself - Las Vegas can't. The region has 4 seasons and entertains itself (from Cedar Point to the MetroParks to L. Erie), each season offers outdoor activities not found in many regions. The arts/culture scene alone is among the world's best with Playhouse Square & University Circle. Three pro sports teams for a mid sized city is pretty nice. And a massive skilled workforce that doesn't shy away from adversity or a challenge. A region that's built by hard working families doing the best they can and never giving up on making Cleveland the best city it can be - these attributes are what makes a city great - these qualities might not be glamorous, but they're real, and they're found in over 3 million across metropolitan Cleveland.
@The mysterious Miss X Sorry you feel that way about 'those towns' that built America. I've been to many places across the country - and still feel Cle & Pit have done a nice job of rebounding after being hit so hard in the 70's. Yeah the inner cities are rough, but every city has that. The suburbs have it pretty nice. Look up the hell other cities are dealing with the homelessness/drugs found in Seattle, Portland, Austin, LA & Denver if you think CLE & PIT are so bad. I'm not living in the past, but in the present - Cle/Pits are much nicer now than they were back in the day. BTW, I'm Gen X - I was responding to the Millennial who made this vid - saying a region's great because of the ease of bar hopping -
As a Westsider in the fifties...(West Park)...East side was the AfroAmerican and Jewish side...Westside bad the Westside market and the Zoo and the Airport...East side had the art museum and Symphony...and University Circle...but don't confuse the suburbs with Cleveland.... The suburbs developed after the highways were built....
Thanks for your input Robert 🙌🏻
East Cleveland was the very first suburb of cleveland with millionaires row on Euclid Ave
The highway access is a HUGE benefit of the west side. I’ve never gotten angrier driving than on the east side. There are so many traffic lights to get to the highway.