Election results: “Britain can feel proud of its politics today” | Election 2024 | the New Statesman
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After a dramatic general election in which Labour won a huge 412 seats and leading Conservatives lost their seats, Hannah Barnes, Rachel Cunliffe and Freddie Hayward dissect the results on the New Statesman podcast.
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My hope is politics is boring and functional for the next 10+ years.
No chance
If you find jealousy and hate boring, then yes it will.
Putin and his trolls will be working hard to scupper that, we must be vigilant
My hope is that fundamental change will happen to the country to prevent a fascist revolution. With Keir Starmer, your hope has better chances than mine
That not the problem. The problem is the next "Black Swan" event is an Energy Crisis but most nations are not ready for it.
Truss has never taken personal responsibility for anything. She even blamed the queen for dying at an inconvenient time for Truss. The woman has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
She’s a total basket case.. she destroyed the tories
She is not real its like an empty vessel thr walks around with nothing inside, slogans and hand gestures nothing else.
Her losing a 26000 majority to Labour I found most redeeming. God the woman couldn't even be on time and kept everybody waiting. Good riddance.
Genuinely the worst Prime Minister ever, not just in terms of her short length, but also due to her incompetence and her lack of said redeeming qualities.
Agreed, but I still couldn't get over how many people still voted for her. The ignorance of the general public is scary.
Just wanted to say how much I’ve enjoyed your election coverage- informative, reasonable opinions without unnecessary hyperbole
Thank you, so glad you’ve enjoyed it
@NewStatesman That sentence makes no sense. Please learn to use punctuation.
I really appreciate the balanced, unbiased opinions and perspectives of the New Statesman.
It still hasn’t sunk in for me, it’s like the end of a perpetual nightmare and I can’t believe it’s actually over
Just wait. It will continue.
@@firmbutton6485 Only worse. The politics of jealousy and hate.
Farraige the only stain !
@@buck6604 oh grow up. the rich wont get taxed still.
The nightmare isn't over. Just the end of the beginning.
Rishi says he takes responsibility for the loss but that responsibility should go to Boris and Liz Truss .
It should go to every damned one of them. If they didn't personally do it, they enabled and supported those that did, either by their actions or inactions. The most vile sequence of governments in modern history.
He ran a hateful lying campaign and he was the exact opposite of what he promised ! It's also on him.
Never forget Eat Out to Help the Virus Out.
It's the entire policy platform of the conservatives. The party attracts out of touch narcissists and they consequently make out of touch policies
@@KernowFishy and he was chancellor for boris.
Just heard on another channel, there are no Tory seats in Oxfordshire, all either Labour, or Lib Dem.
Same in Greater Manchester!
There is a lot of be proud of today for the UK - we have not slumped to the disgusting, gutter, divisive behaviour of American politics. They displayed decent good sportsmanship and it’s what politics should be like. And thank god Rees-Mogg & Truss are finally gone; both of them the epitome of everything that was wrong with politics for the last 14 years.
Little changed for Scotland in reality seeing only one Scottish MP in the cabinet. Wrong minority is seems 🙄
Welcome to the politics of jealousy and hate.
It not just that Tories and the SNP have totally collapsed. We seeing something like this With Russia and China they are crumbling internally and America is getting stronger with really with out doing anything.
@@boxtradums0073 20 Cabinet ministers. Scotland’s population is 8.2% of the UK. That means 1.6/20. It does add up.
@@boxtradums0073which of the Scottish Labour MP's would you have put in the cabinet and in which role? Are they more or less likely to do better than the MP that has been appointed?
Clearly, the UK has turned their backs on politics as entertainment. If the US can also do this, there might be hope; something all of us surely need.
Return of adult grown up mature politics in No10 I like to think. Conservatives by name Corrupt by nature has finally been removed!!
Brilliant how Starmer and Lammy in contact with Dublin today, Irish prime minister invited over to number ten. The reset and mending of those close relationships the lunatics tried to break begins !
No. Reform are not the true opposition. They have 4 seats. Are we going to buy into their grift. We have a FPP system. Reform will be the true opposition when it wins enough seats.
@@mikepost6129 Correction, now five and counting.
@@buck6604 Five for definite, Thurrock was the last seat to declare, apparently.
The first past the post system has failed Britain since WWII but hey go ahead and support failure.
Farraige can’t hide now, the scrutiny will be to much for him, he can’t handle it as been proved before. Get rid of him….no reform !! He won’t serve the full term anyway….he won’t handle being an irrelevant back bencher. He’s a narcissist
@@buck6604 you’ve misunderstood the meaning of ‘and counting’ - which suggests there could be more.
Zero Conservative reps in Wales?! Hahaha.
We're a Tory & Reform-Free zone in Wales.
Or Kernow! Joyous!
Living in the east of England I’d love to move to wales, but they’d probably not want me.😟
@@user-ol6rd7pl5tThe Celts don't suffer fools gladly! 🏴
@@matthewhendy5785the Labour % of vote in Wales is almost identical to the total for Conservative and Reform combined at 37%; which 37% don't suffer fools gladly?
Such a relief to feel that at last we have people governing us that are principled and genuinely want to serve. With a fantastic leader at the helm. I feel in safe hands at last and I wish them all the very best.
You must be joking
@@TheOfficialThundazz She is looking at the tremendous job the left have done at destroying the United States. They are really good at what they do!
Wanna buy a bridge?
@@TheOfficialThundazz she’s not. Jokes are funny, this is not.
How naive
You have dismissed proportional representation but the fact remains Labour gained 34% of the vote for 64 % of the seats. They don’t represent 66% of the way the electorate voted yet New Statesmen think this is OK you’re out of step with the public.
Any other government would have been voted for by zero percent of the public.
E.g. the German government was voted for by 0.0% of the public. It wasn't even on the ballot paper.
These people don’t care about democracy just an idea of democracy that best suited them. Just like Macron in France this is going to end in the Far Right surging to power!
"Liz Truss looked dazed and not with it at all" so normal then.
Proud of Labour Government 🌹
..and they haven't even started to destroy what's left of the country yet!
What for? They won with 38% of the vote. It’s the shallowest win in political history
FOR WHAT???
BRINGING BACK BLIAR????
The value of the £ has already gone up.
By less than 0.01 Euro.
Lets be honest that had already been priced in. Everyone knew this was gonna happen.
The low turn-out may have in part been due to the much forecast certainty of a Labour victory, both with Labour voters and disillusioned Conservatives.
No, it was tories not turning out homeless centrist tories who feel they have no representative party and labours disenchanted wing that got purged. The two main parties have essentially put of voters rather than appeal to 'broadchurch'. The myth of a foregone conclusion is hilarious, people literally WANT to vote for the winner, feel like their vote counts.
There is no passion out there for Labour. Only hatred for failed Conservative implementation.
@@denniswinters3096 or might be that Starmer reminds people of their local Asda supermarket manager?
@@buck6604in that case it would only affect Labour vote and the Tories wouldn't have crashed to 22%
Muslim Labour vote was down.
Many Labour voters voted tactically.
Many left Labour voters voted Green.
Racist Labour voters voted Reform plc.
The LD did not win a disproportionate number of seats. They got 12.2% of the vote, which under PR would mean 79 seats. Under FPTP they got 71. They would still benefit from changing the voting system. It's likely that a lot of people voted tactically for Labour instead of LD (though some will have gone the other way too). I so look forward to the day when tactical voting is no longer necessary. I'm hoping for STV so we still have local MPs but we can vote for who we want without wasting out vote because our preferred option wasn't one of the top 2.
Roll it on Kier! Don't let us down man! I am personally extremely excited for this era of UK revival.
He hates the English
@@valuetraveler2026 Source or are you just blowing hot air as usual?
@@valuetraveler2026 my friend. Please just take a step back and consider where/what has given you that impression. Is there a small chance it's from some media / people with an agenda to make you dislike him? He's an Englishman with a long career of public service.
@@valuetraveler2026with only one Scottish MP in the cabinet is clear who he truly hates.
@@valuetraveler2026 What in heaven’s name would make you come out with such a nonsensical comment like that ? Take my advice and don’t be so bitter, you lost, get over it. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Thank you for your coverage over the last few months. I'll continue to "tune" in and look forward to hearing what you have to say about the new government, good or bad.
Thank you. Do keep watching!
Whilst the change is so welcome, I am afraid I do not think that Britain can feel at all proud of a political system where a Government is elected with 65% of the seats in our parliament is elected by 35% of those who voted - in fact 20% of the people; likewise, I have no brief at all for Reform but that the 4 million people who voted for them should result in only 4 seats in parliament is very worrying, These are the hallmarks of a broken system that will never be able to serve our society properly and will only build up even more problems for the future. Such a distortion of democracy is not something to be proud of but something to be ashamed of. But thank you so much for all your excellent commentary and keep up the work!
Don't worry, plans are afoot to right the electoral system.
Reform didn't play the game, that's it. Labour had a better strategy, they put the votes in the right place.
Reform are never going to win if they think they can run a US style campaign. You have to deliver at a local level.
It's not an injustice, they knew the rules and didn't deliver.
If the rules were different, sure, maybe they do better. But if you move the goal posts, England with the Euros. It's just a dumb argument.
Reform was playing basketball, when everyone else was playing football.
The results would have been the same anyway, even if we had been playing basketball, because everyone else would have also been playing basketball. It's easy to claim you're the best when you have no competition 😂
Yes, but Reform knew they could only take most of their votes from the Conservative Party. Moderate undecided voters would never vote for Reform, and as it transpired, tactically gave their votes to either Labour or the Lib Dems.
It isn't really the electoral system's fault that Reform had a bad strategy in a FPTP system, moreover we've been living with misrepresentation for decades.
More people voted against the Johnson government, than with it, in 2019. He still got an 80 seat majority.
In 2017 May lost her majority, after asking the country to give her a mandate, getting an equal vote share with Corbyn. She still remained PM.
The system would be better if the number of MPs you're allowed to send to Westminster is based upon the number of local councillors you have in each constituency. That would truly reflect the demographic on a local level.
However, currently the Labour majority would be even higher.
@@buck6604 - Really? What plans? I hope so ....
And if they do manage to accomplish what they set out to, then they need to make sure the British voters KNOW about it. Joe Biden has achieved much in the last four years, but doesn't seem to be able to get that news out to the average American voter.
Dude... Biden has dementia no wonder he cant communicate.
Biden is leaving almost everything worse than he found it though. Not saying that’s all on him but he didn’t improve anything.
35% share of a 60% turnout, just over 9 million votes nothing to get to carried away with
Less votes for Labour than 2017 and 2019. It's much shallower victory than the selected narrative, we just just have a silly electoral system.
I think the point is that Labour and the Lib Dem’s used a strategy to win within the existing system that we have. If you think about it to do anything else would be crazy. I agree that FPTP isn’t the ideal democratic system but then each MP has won the majority of votes in their constituency, which is democratic. I could point out that when the Greens had only one MP they had had, I think, around a million votes and that the Lib Dem’s last time had a larger share of the popular vote but many many fewer MPs and there was no outcry of indignation about FPTP.
I was in favour of Proportional Representation last week and I'm still in favour of Proportional Representation this week. Better for democracy to ensure all voices are heard (even if that means we need to put up the odious ones)
Only one vote in my lifetime has been truly democratic, the EU referendum, every vote cast carried equal weight & yet the progressive left did everything they could to try & ignore or overturn it, now we have a government with an overwhelming majority on a percentage of between 33 & 34 % which leaves the majority of people who voted with no voice & the same people who wanted to ignore the Brexit vote are ecstatic with the Labour victory, you have to admit there is a certain irony.
@@johnfitchie9892 - You could apply that argument to the first EEC referendum that was won by a huge percentage in favour of joining. People have the right to change their minds, or challenge the outcome of any referendum, particularly in relevance to 2016, given the small margin of victory, and all the lies and misinformation.
As to your criticism of FPTP, if you look at the 2019 election more people voted for anti-Brexit parties, but Johnson got in because of the system you're now criticising. That surely is the irony :)
To be honest, I believe we should have proportional representation, but that to some extent is reflected in local elections, whereby a council could be held by one party, while the constituency MP is from another.
Seeing some old faces who were in power back in 2010 coming back into number 10 almost made me cry. Ed Miliband in particular. I absolutely love it!
Looks like having reconsidered, we've chosen chaos with Ed Milliband after all. Shame we didn't try it back in 2015
Our FPTP system can throw up lots of surprises. A 170 majority on 33% of the vote. Tories decimated, especially by a million or more voters switching to Reform.. A new start has begun and I'll keep awake from overseas to see how the next 4 years turn out...
It is a great system for voting out a party once they are tired. As in 97 and 2010. Has its pros as well as cons.
Labour got 600K fewer votes than last time and doubled their number of seats! They played the system like a fiddle.
*Sinn Fein got 7 seats from 210k votes.*
*The Greens got 4 seats from 1.9m votes.*
*Reform got 5 seats from 4.1m votes.* (!!)
I'd prefer they switch to a ranked voting system (first choice, second choice, third, etc). Proportional Representation is better than FPTP, but it'll cause lots of other problems, such as regular stalemates.
@@FreQ135 Reform remind me of what happened to SDP/LIB Alliance back in 83. 23 seats from 7.8m votes. lots of second places but few wins. Having said that the FPTP worked for the LiberalDemocrats this time. 72 seats from 12 percent. I'm looking forward to the Election survey. Always worth a read to the psephologists amongst others.
I have seen so many so called historic days in politics over my life none of which have lead to anything different.Britain can feel proud of its politics today is that supposed to be a joke a couple of throw away lines from two leaders and everything is roses give me a brake.almost half the country could not be bothered to vote , give labour a couple of years and everyone will be moaning about labour.
Their front bench looks like the Bash Street kids with Kier as Walter the Softy.
Half the country not being bothered to vote doesn't really detract from the result. If the apathetic had turned up the outcome might have been different, but that's democracy. Abstention is a voice in its own right, except you can't really complain if you didn't tick a box.
Maybe not in your lifetime, but the Labour victory in 1945 gave us the NHS and the Welfare State. More recently, Thatcherism was a social revolution, love it or hate it.
You might be right about Labour's ability to change or rebuild our society, but obviously those who did vote clearly sent a message that they couldn't stomach another 5 years of Tory control.
@@user-cu5nw7kq5b You raise some good points the nhs was a great idea that sadly has become over worked bloated and not fit for purpose and I consider Margret Thatche as one of the best PM's we have had along with Disraeli.
But to to call people apathetic for not voting if you are given the choice eg: death death or death pick one why bother when all I get is death either way exstream example I know but the point is valid I think the complaint is there was no box worth ticking.
And a small percentage of the population voting for labour gives them victory and those who did note vote could not stomach another five years of conservative control either but there was not anything that looked to be an improvment so they stayed silentand that is not good for democracy.
@@roguetrooper5401 - Thanks for your measured response. Personally I think it should be compulsory to vote, but with the right to abstain on the ballot paper.
"Apathetic" was a bad choice of words on my part, but it's a General Election, and there were plenty of smaller parties, and independents, that had people voted for, might have delivered a real case for electoral change.
However, I would guess had even 85% voted the outcome would have been the same.
@@user-cu5nw7kq5b I agree the outcome would have been the same ,and that there should be the option to abstain on the ballot paper.
A real plesure to debate with someone with common sense and the ability to hear other opinions and reply with a coherant and sensible answer your servant good sir.
This election result will be analysed for years due to the amount that was going on.
1. The collapse of the Tories and SNP and rise of Reform.
2. Labour focusing their campaign on ruthlessly making their vote spread as efficient as possible, even at the expense of votes in safe seats, allowing them to win in more places even without increasing their overall national vote. They played a blinder there (helped along by the aforementioned collapse).
3. Lib Dems doing much the same thing as Labour but more narrowly focussed.
4. Green and pro Palestine candidates really eating into Labour strongholds, further exacerbating the vote losses they were tolerating in pursuit of the above and even costing some seats.
5. General voter apathy, and certainty of a Labour win, causing a drop in turnout.
Overall imo this was absolutely a Tory loss first and foremost. However, I think people claiming Labour didn't do anything to win really, due to the national %, are missing the forest for the trees. They knew exactly what they needed to do to win and they did it (while neing helped along by events). They absolutely deserved to win big under the rules of the game.
Now we need these rules to change so that this can't happen again and we can be more democratic in the future.
Unfortunately I can't see PR getting a boost down at Labour HQ today ...
Something interesting was how Labour simply ignored voters in places like Ely and St Neots. They fielded a candidate but didn’t even bother posting flyers. They basically gave those seats to the Lib Dem’s. As a voter in those areas I was left to feel Labour doesn’t care about me at all. I get that it was all tactics and they didn’t want to usurp the Lib Dem vote but Starmer basically gave Davey a bunch of seats he didn’t deserve. Let’s not forget reform got far more votes than Lib Dem’s. The liberals were only successful because there were so many areas that Labour simply didn’t try in at all.
With all this in mind I think it’s fair to say most people were not voting to get Labour in but to get the Tories out. They quickly switched to Lib Dem in areas where Labour didn’t put in any effort, which would suggest that they’d then switch to reform or greens. I don’t think people believe in Labour, they were just the best vote to get rid of Tories, except in areas where they weren’t, and very few voted for them.
@@jaybee4288 agreed Labour have been done a huge favour by the electorate and have to use their majority well to deliver in return now. Otherwise they could go the way of the Tories next time
@rorykeegan1895 agreed, though the party itself is massively in favour at least. Plus the win is so big that I wouldn't be surprised at a swell of support for PR around the country once the honeymoon period has worn off
You realise the 'efficiency' argument is just spin to explain the low vote for Starmer? It's not like Labour said "Let's let Reform take half the Tory vote and then we can win with the same amount of votes we got before".
Labour standing against Faiza Shaheen was utterly disgraceful, to say she shouldn't have stood after dropping her is a joke. They would rather hand it to the Tories than have someone with principles in the seat. She was 100% correct to stand, her vote share said it all really.
The absolute gall of Harman to act like these independents are in the wrong for standing against the party that unceremoniously deselected them. As if they still owe some semblance of loyalty to the party!
I was standing at the Downing St gates most of the afternoon on Fri just because I was compelled to. I also felt proud again to be British, as if we had had something so unique and precious returned to us by this Labour win. I watched the new cabinet ministers enter on their way to the cabinet office to be given their new roles, all looking well, happy genuinely excited for what is to come - but with non of that smug distain we have had to bear for 14 yrs. A man was shouting all his conspiracy woes into a megaphone. Nobody was listening really, and a policeman stood fairly close by but had no intention of stopping him. Free speech (what a privilege!) and there was no threat of being arrested, for freedom of speech to be an arrest-able offence such as we have had. Fresh breath at last. I felt very proud of us, all our eccentricities and inventiveness. I fell in love with this country again and I wish us all the very best.
The British can be proud of their political system, if only for the way in which it manages the change of government. You count the votes, then there are two visits with the king, and then the new Prime Minister starts governing. This is really the envy of the world. I say that as a German, knowing, of course, how lucky we still are with our own slow system of coalition building, compared to the world-shattering agonies produced by the US system. Compare Donald Trump's Big Lie and attempts to overthrow the election results with Rishi Sunak's farewell speech in which he praised the decent character of his successor. This was sufficient reason to believe in Britain's future. The fact that the extreme right is as strong in Britain now as the AfD in Germany (fake Reform UK and rightwing Tory extremists combined display the same political outlook as our extreme right) is of less importance than in Germany, not only because of our past and the special case of East Germany, but because Starmer seems to have been aware of this danger from the beginning whereas it took Scholz' Social Democrats far too long to take this danger seriously.
He needs 2 decades for renewal, not 1.
A lot can happen in 10 years if motivation is there and luck
Correction here for Freddie - the Lib Dems' result is actually very proportionate to their vote share, having won ~12% of the popular vote and ~11% of seats. PR would, in fact, likely increase their seat number further!
I am loving all the bitter losers online today. Get used to the next 5 years. You might learn how a Government is supposed to be run.
Step 1: Sell country to Blackrock
Step 2: Enjoy sugar rush
Step 3: Get out of the country as the cost rises to hundreds of billions.
They won with 38% of the vote, it’s the shallowest victory in political history. Keir actually got less votes than Corbyn. The is the weakest government of recent times.
Plus we have David Lammy in cabinet, the man who famously said that if a trans woman takes enough hormones they can grow a cervix. That’s the kind of people now running the country.
26:54 The LibDems got 12 % of the vote and 11 % of seats. I really wouldn’t call that disproportionate.
Reform got a higher % and 4 seats. Labour got 34%ish and more seats than others. Not sure if he was citing lib dem or labour? Overall seats won were not representative of actual votes.
As usual - completely misunderstanding Scotland.
Lib Dems get about 12% of the vote and 11% of the seats - sounds pretty proportional to me 😊
Reform got more votes than them, and should have about 90 seats if this country was a proper democracy.
Labour get about 34% of the votes and 64% of the seats, doesn't sound very proportional to me 😊
Reform got about 14% of the vote and less than 1% of the total number of seats in parliament. Doesn't sound pretty proportionate to me
Lib Dem’s benefitted from Labour not caring about certain areas and leaving those to them. Let’s not forget most people didn’t vote to get someone in but to get the Tories out.
@@tonymolloy6165 You don't have a proportional system. You had the chance to move to preferential voting as in Australia but the country led by the Tories voted it down.
It was a great speech and I'm feeling much happier.
This is quite dishonest. Labour got less votes than in 2017 and 2019, and lost seats in Wales.
If the SNP hadn't collapsed, and if Reform hadn't targeted the Tories, this would look extremely different.
Would they even have a majority?
Following from the US. Thanks for the wonderful coverage. Say hello to Andrew Marr!
Aye ask him how the wife is ...
You three! What a wonderful combination. A unanimous result for United Kingdom stating your stance, you have restored my respect. Be strong and be you, respect from me in Norway, you really can do it!
Why should we be proud of our politics? Our new cabinet is full of people who support an American healthcare system, who have contempt for democracy, contempt for the poor, contempt for voters generally, it was elected on approximately 20% of the eligible electorate and doesn't want to make reforms to the voting system. It just wants to stay in power and alternate between reheated Blairism and the Tories. Many of this new cabinet served during Blair's period in government, they are the same people who supported war in Iraq and Afghanistan and PFIs in the NHS. This is not a cabinet to be proud of!
Congratulations! Very interesting and astute coverage. Here are three things I like most about your politics and elections:
1. Reasonable length of campaign, unlike our endless campaigns in the U.S.
2. PM answers questions all along on "PM Questions";
3. Manifestos are a regular part of campaigns.
I'm glad you discussed the potential disproportion between seats won and percentage of the electorate who voted for a particular party. That could advantage extremist candidates. Starmer a fine choice. Best wishes from Rochester, New York.
Wes Streeting better think again about privatising the NHS!
I heard 80% of the electorate didn't vote Labour. How do they have so many seats.
Not 80%…65% of those who voted
Because Labour candidates got more votes than any other candidate in about two thirds of constituencies. That's how it works.
So glad the tories have gone now, it's hard to believe and i hope they never return. Every five minutes there was chaos or some catastrophic episode, so it's good news from now on, hopefully.
Oxford PPE only trains you for 5-7min lies for debates and pitches 😂
Are you ok? You do realise that most of labours front bench also came through that system... Keir himself an oxford allum.
Thank you all. 👍
Our pleasure!
You guys are the best UK political coverage of any kind. Love your broadcasts. Keep it up.
Thanks very much!
Blairite alert
Labour's victory has been extensive - but it is shallow.
Only the most deluded are enthusiastically supporting them.
Add on the other elements of the Centre-Left and the victory is much more convincing.
As a distant observer (with many UK ties), I agree this is a seismic development - long overdue. But it must be tempered by knowing that there is an entire population that had been feeling long-ignored and insignificant. So the honeymoon may be short - unless government is seen functioning properly again in relatively quick order.
I think the only reason there was such a strong reaction to Gaza was because of the consensus between the main parties which existed for months and the fact that islamophobia has been a constant issue in both parties that neither have ever properly addressed. This isn't an excuse for any of the appalling behaviour but it's not hard to see why a Muslim Labour supporter might become very emotional and angry when Faiza Shaheen is deselected immediately after speaking about her experience of islamophobia in the Labour party. I think it's also been understated how many voters may have switched to the Lib Dems and Greens over the issue.
by any non-factional assessment, Labour's treatment of a loyal candidate, Faiza Shaheen, was brutal and cynical. Of course, no surprise that the New Stateman's bunch of whitte centre-right journalists applaud such treatment of a left-wing woman of colour who isn't part of their tiny circle of social and economic privilege. This reached a nadir with the claim that Harriet Harman 'tore strips' from formal Labour members, now expelled, having the audacity to run against Labour for its failure to respond adequaltely on issue where tens of thousands of Gazans have been killed. The only one with some sense and integrity seems to be Freddie Hayward.
For a foreign observer, why is the New Statesman thankful (15:20) that George Galloway is no longer an MP?
Because he's a demagogue with a long history of stirring up trouble in areas with large Muslim populations and gaining a large part of the Muslim vote, winning a by-election and then completely failing to serve his constituents. He has done it three or four times now and has always lost the following election.
George Galloway is outside of the liberal establishment. He is a former Labour MP who rightly stood up and opposed the war in Iraq when liberals were cheering on the destabilising the middle east which led the rise of Isis.
Because they aint left wing
It was nice of all his aides and supporters to wave British, Welsh and Scottish flags. Shame Labour have resigned to losing the St George’s Cross to the far right. Not a single one, English or Ulster.
The Union Jack is the English flag and st Patrick’s flag is toxic due to England’s stoking of sectarianism 😉
No, it is not the flag of England.
@@AlienatedNortherner it most definitely is. There is only one cross that goes unbroken and forced on top of the other two, England’s. That flag has always been only about England and symbolism of dominance over the rest of us.
@@boxtradums0073absolute rubbish, we love every country in this great nation
@@m9017t now that’s absolute nonsense ! If the English love every nation why did they put the army on the streets of Northern Ireland and then grant those who fired on peaceful protestors immunity ? That’s just one example in a 1000 years of history 😉.
Symbolism matter and the symbology of the butchers apron is England’s unchecked power over the rest of us. An imperialist creation by a country that has been oppressing its neighbours for a millennia !
From what I remember, the lowest estimate I saw for Labour was 410 seats. They got 412, and less votes than Corbyn in 2017 and 2019 -even with friendly media.
In spite of the collapse of the SNP and the rise of Reform, Labour performed at the lower end of expectations.
Stop spinning this distorted outcome as 'efficiency', and do some actual analysis!
They are cheer leaders not journalists
The only metric that matters is the number of seats won. And Labour won big!
Bless how lucky the UK is with a peaceful transfer of power. thank you Sunak in comparison to Suealla and Steve Baker speech 🎤
A weight off my shoulders.
After all the political craziness of the last few years - I agree that some sense of decentness has returned to our country’s politics - hope it continues. I have friends in Latin America and they so admire that side of who our country is! Let’s hope it continues
The reason Hunt has kept his seat is because he is a very effective local MP.
Not a bad thing to be fair
Not that bothered by reasonable and moderate Tory's retaining their seats; good for democracy to have a reasonable and effective opposition. The likes of Braverman on the other hand who just seek to divide and destroy things, I'll never understand the people who voted for them
I saw an interview where a voter said they were torn because they didn’t like the Tory government and didn’t think he was a great chancellor but he saved their local pharmacy from closing and they were on first name terms with him. Understandable if they voted for him. From all accounts on a local level he was described in similar ways that people of Islington described Corbyn. I didn’t ever hear of my last mp doing anything locally unless it was a photo op. People will always vote for people who personally help them.
@@Boghopper9999 Quite right ...
Ironically Sunaks resignation speech was the best quality speech he ever made imo
At last - a common sense commentary.
I must admit that he's got off to a good start with his appointments, it shows that they're sincere in trying to get us out of this mess. I was not a fan of Starmer and he still has to win me over but the speech was actually quite convincing, he seemed genuine. Fingers crossed.
I feel like as a country we lost sight and memory of what a government is actually meant to do. It's been all smoke and mirrors for such a long time, and I really hope that this is the start of a government that just gets on with the work, instead of looking to grab headlines constantly.
Rachael's strategic view of election issues is really helpful.
Time for the media to cease & desist from discussing the general election as a presidential contest. It isn`t. We vote for a party. So if a PM dies, falls ill or goes mad (a short journey for some) we get a quick replacement. That`s what happened in 1940.
Solve housing for long-term support.
Why be proud of the fact that a political party that has repeatedly denied reality has been handed a thumping majority when only 60% of the electorate voted at all and only 34% of that 60% voted for Labour?
Strange that Toroes never worried much about that during the Thatcher years. The political system is what it is. The fact that people voted tactically to remove the Tories is surely telling?
thanks for your content during the election I've loved it x
Note that Truss didn't give a speech because in many constituencies it is convention for only the winner to give a speech. I'm extremely glad to see her go, but that particular point of criticism isn't a valid one.
Saying that the vote for Labour in Scotland was a vote for Unionism demonstrates a lack of understanding of Scottish politics. Scots are much more adept at the tactical vote than in England. The SNP’s collapse and the rise of Labour was firstly an anti-Tory Westminster vote, and secondly to give the SNP a kicking for their failures at Holyrood. The independence vote hasn’t shifted an inch and is completely separate from the Westminster vote. The Supreme Court kicked the independence vote into the long grass, so Scots are now focussing on bread and butter matters. It’s naive, however, to think attitudes towards independence have changed. Scotland is still split down the middle on that topic.
I think the reason Labour got a narrow margin is that they refused to appeal to their base as extra votes in safe seats don’t help. By moving to the centre they won valuable votes in target seats and avoided motivating Tory voters. Sacrificing Muslim votes is likewise a painful choice but avoided motivating their opponents. I am certain that many of these single issue causes will be tackled in the near future. Palestine is getting easier to support because Israel has alienated its allies. Two children cap is not something any progressive believes in. Give them time.
Rachel’s enlightened centrism is making my head explode 💀
What a statement how would anyone feel proud of this
The vast majority of people only think about politics one or two weeks before an election. In between time whoever is in government just needs to get on with the job and deliver for its citizens.
There should be concern amongst more than just Labour about most of those independent wins. What it boils down to is that a number of Muslim voters are not voting based on what is best for the country they live in, but rather voting based upon what is happening in a completely unconnected country _because of the religion of the people involved_ there. That is serious. And if it's not treated seriously, then people who are anti-immigration and/or anti-Muslim sure as hell will make hay with it. The podcast is in danger of not treating this seriously by labelling it as a generalised 'sectarianism'. It isn't. It is one particular identitarian section (of a larger non-sectarian community, it must be stressed) of society. This isn't multiple groups in society being at each others' throats. Sikhs aren't at the throats of Christians, Jews aren't at the throats of Buddhists, moderate Muslims aren't at the throats of Jains. It is a particularly fundamentalist, literalist section of Muslims with very illiberal views that are driving this, and only that group. It's the same reason that a teacher has had to go into hiding merely for teaching the curriculum.
We aren't going to sort this problem out if we aren't willing to even identify it in public without fear of witch-hunt repercussions. And neither identifying it, nor sorting it out, remotely involves being bigoted against Muslims (because if you were, then you would just change one sectarianism for another). But equally, if we don't treat this issue seriously, then the only people who will gain by that will be the current sectarians and the sectarians that will pop up more and more often in opposition.
Completely agree
May I offer a Plan? Mr "5-Seats" Garage says he wants to shake up the Commons. Most of the work there is done in committee. There are 80. Wouldn`t it be best to give each of them 16 seats and keep an eye open for the nervous breakdowns? Asking for a friend.
"Britain can feel proud of its politics today"
Really - one party is backed by 33.7% of voters, yet wins 63.4% of seats contested.
Whoever compiled that headline has a strange definition of democratic political discourse?
Only 1 in 5 people voted for this Labour party...that is not a mandate
Good concession speech, but don't forget it's veryy easy to be gracious once the jig is up. Much harder is to be gracious while you are still in the running.
Elephant in the room is the stats…… ⅓ of the vote…20% of the electorate….That’s something to be proud of?!😂
1:43 No kidding! 121 votes is a 99.99% vote collapse!
she's probably only had 3 hours sleep to be fair
15:08 "Foreign policy has reinjected itself into British politics" - I wouldn't exactly call it British politics.
Can't Stand all this talk of how there "was no left wing surge". Tory vote down 20 % - even if you assume all 14% of reform votes would have been tory, your still left with a 5-6 percent remainder: healthily taken up by greens, independents ect. Glad to finally have a left of centre government in the UK:)
Lazy analysis from Rachel. She also implied that purging/dropping good people from Labour was what made people vote Labour in many constituencies. Can’t she see how many Tory seats went to Labour without much increase at all for Labour in those particular constituencies? (Often with no increase).
The main reason why Labour won in all those ex-Tory areas is this: the Tories lost many of their votes to ReformUK and many traditional Tory voters stayed at home. The split on the Right is what handed Starmer this landslide. It is NOT the action of purging/dropping good people from Labour.
As someone else wrote: Even if Labour was led by Corbyn, the Tories would’ve lost anyway, because (a)Nigel Farage’s party contested in Tory-held areas this time (b)the Tory implosion (c)Brexit’s not the main issue (d)cost of living crisis (e)horrible Tory scandals exposed since 2020.
Conservation for what? Conservation for the upper rich? People do labour everyday. Labour for people!
Obviously communities with big Moslem populations would be difficult for Labour, but they shouldn’t underestimate how much lots of other people are also not voting for Labour because of Gaza.
But their voting can not change sitiation there. Mean while hard right is basically resurgent, in controls society
Iran was pumping money in aiming to spread a false narrative about Labour and Gaza. Vicious and very nasty.
Most voters are most manifestly NOT pro-Hamas supporters!
If Reform is an argument against First Past the Post we should embrace it. Go back to 1979 and add the Lib Dem’s to the Labour vote and we wouldn’t have had a Tory government after 1979. Reform just shows the Right what it is like to split your vote.
Most people were voting to get the Tories out, not because they believe in Starmers Labour and it would be foolish to think otherwise. Labours win has as much depth as a puddle. They were just the tactical vote for most places.
_"Elections are not won, they are lost."_ ~Anon.
Imagine - millions of people who loved the Tories now hate the Tories. How does it feel?
Talk of Labour's victory being built on a shallow base tends to obscure the breadth and depth of the vote for centre-left parties and politicians. Even without including the few remaining centrist Tories, over 500 of those returned to Westminster are moderates or incrementalists.
Labour hasn't increased the number of people who voted for them.
Talking about grown-up politics, it’s about time we condemn the genocide in Gaza and the brutal occupation in the West Bank, call for an end to the ethnic cleansing and bullying of Palestinians, push for a 2-state solution. I hope politicians in Westminster will not be modern-day holocaust deniers like those in Washington DC.
You guys edited out the abuse that was received by Shabana at 14:21 ... Why did you edit out what was said????
Hooray a great day
Welcome to a Labour Right Wing Government!
'Ming vase' carefully carried over linseed oiled wooden floor, wait and see what emerges.
@@minimalist279Austerity for us Lobster suppers for them
@@nolslifegren ..yeah that's the likely menu. Wish to be surprised, hoping the approach was to keep hostile media at bay.
Fully agree with that headline.
In Britain Voters can and do punish corruption and incompetence.
The US should reflect on that, on "independence" day.