Musashi vs Shishido Baiken
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Shishido Baiken is the name of a Japanese swordsman believed to have been active in the early years of the Edo period (1603-1868).
Legend has it that Baiken was a skilled practitioner of the kusarigama (a metal chain attached to a kama and a weight, also known as the chain and sickle), and around the year 1607 he fought a duel the swordsman Miyamoto Musashi in which he was killed.
according to the historical records, this was the first time that musashi wielded dual swords, a technique that would become his signature style.
Actually, there is no reliable historical records to prove that Shishido Baiken even existed. He might as well be a fully fictional character from Eiji Yoshikawa's book.
Musashi was one of the few to survive into his 80's. Most perished "testing" their schools = cuts from swords do tend to kill.
Niten ichi ryu
@Santiago Ayala: I think that in this fight Musashi crossed his swords to encourage his enemy to try to trap them with his chain so that Musashi could disable one of his opponent's weapons and then close in to finish the fight at close quarters by any means necessary. You can tell that this was a duel because on a battlefield he would have reduced the effectiveness of the chain by staying in the restricting shelter of the tall standing bamboo or of any other standing hedges or tree trunks.
In the book, the first time he wielded dual swords was when he went John Rambo against the entire Yoshioka Clan.
Jeez, the way Baiken fought was incredible! Especially at 1:37 when Baiken was able to effortlessly parry Musashi's heavy attacks at close range. He was at the disadvantage yet still had Musashi on the back foot. It really conveys what a formidable opponent Baiken was.
But he still lost
Yeah that part was intense! I completely agree.
In the "Gorin no Sho" Musashi wrote: "I hate Kusari Gama, is the most difficult weapon I've ever faced"...
Yet he won his first attempt against it ever. That would suggest it was not very difficult at all......which history agrees with. IT's literally a stupid weapon lol. Easy to deal with.
@@MrBottlecapBill Not necessarily; The Kusari Gama is an incredibly versatile weapon given that it can entangle, strike at considerable distance from unexpected angles against much of the body and still has a sickle that can be incredibly dangerous in close.
It's an incredibly sophisticated weapon that requires a lot of time to master and it's skill set is wildly different from anything else, but bad it ain't.
Musashi beat everyone first time.
@@michb144 Sorry dude,I like Musashi, I like his way to see things n stuff but U must yo know Muso Gonnosuke kicked his 4ss, in Japan Musashi Is a superstar and they care n protect his image as an "invicted" samuray buuuuuuuut few people know that Musashi was beaten by Gonnosuke; he Is the founder of the "Koryu JO jutsu" no Jujutsu or that bjj sh1t, , JO JUTSU....
Nope. Your just a weak nerd.
In 1607, at the age of 24, Musashi had come face-to-face with the most infamous swordsman named Shishido Baiken, He’s not just practiced sword skills, but also the master of using sickle and chain called Kusurigama.
Kusurigama no
Kusarigama 鎖鎌 chain sickle
@@hikojira I know that.
@@aidanmoore4311
Correct reading and meaning of Japanese (Kanji).
鎖=Kusari(chain) 鎌=K(G)ama(sickle)
" kusarigama " is a traditional Japanese weapon that consists of a kama on a kusari-fundo - a type of metal chain (kusari) with a heavy iron weight (fundo) at the end. The "kusarigama" is said to have been developed during the Muromachi period. The art of handling the kusarigama is called kusarigamajutsu.
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Hollywood take note, great fight scenes don't need dialog, taunting, puns, and impossible flips, jumps, and grunts.
...just let them fight, and don't edit around the fact that your actors can't fight.
but you know... that requires effort.
I will defend H-Wood's use of puns.
And music
I don’t know that recent Keanu’s reeves one seems pretty grounded.
@@goshbaby8531yeah the music here actually gets a little tiring just like a constant tension sting. The realistic fighting is cool kind of though.
Each of his duels contributed to wonderful instruction in his book. Tactics are tactics, but the outcome was to make a cut to your enemy. And cut him good lol. To balance the weight of a wielded Katana is hard enough, he surpassed this by introducing his waki and using both simultaneously. I have enormous respect for this warrior swordsman. It’s great comparing philosophy between him and Tsunetomo, because he never swung his sword in hostility but still attained the heights of Samurai wisdom.
I'm sure the real battle was over in seconds but still Musashi considered this battle one of the closest he ever fought. Dramatically different weapons and styles but must have been epic.
Can someone clarify if Shishido Baiken is actualy Tsujikage Tenma's little brother ?
yes he was! but the battle is nowhere near what we are shown here...
He doesn't exists
Léandre chouinard Weird... I searched for him and just found things about Vagabond. My bad
Oh wait, are we talking about Tsujikaze Kouhei rigth? I know that Shishido existed
I'm really confused here... Are we talking about the same person? I know that Musashi and Shishido are Real. I was talking about Tsujikaze Kohei(In the manga he takes Shishido's identity)
According the chronicles, Shishido was from Iga region and after his death, some students were triying to fight with Musashi who defeated them.
Kuma Shinobi iga means he was a shinobi ( ninja) thats intresting.
And they were farmers too. They turned farming tools into weapons.
ya
If your master died on the duel. You must take hara kiri.
@@derciferreira2523 in the actal Honshu Island of Japan, the region today is called Kansai. Belong to the Mie Prefecture. Next is the Shiga Prefecture, the ancient Koka (or Koga) Region.
Man, Musashi running to that bamboo was smart, like, you can't really use chain here, he's using terrain to his advantage.
And then i was like "Use your second sword" and he did.
You'll read about this fight Yoshikawa:s book about Musashi, and you'll see several different versions in various movies and tv dramas. I have lived in Japan for a number of years, and have seen them all. The book is best place to read about Musashi, it tries to follow what little written history exists. The movies and TV dramas are kind of like Peter Jackson's version of "The Hobbit."
And read Vagabond
now I see who inspired the villain in samurai champloo
God, I love this fight! More over, the production uses very little (if at all) effects, such that we can see how Musashi actually defeated Baiken. NO SLOW MO involved, guys! WHAT A TREAT!!!
This was an excellent battle. Wow.
Lord Byron Thank you for your comment!
😂 the music when musashi took out his second blade got all serious
for the love of god, someone please start making MORE SAMURAI MOVIES!!!....there is only so many times I can rewatch these old films!!!
2:00 is actually really interesting. The most effective chain and sickle weapons I've seen have the chain attached to the top of the sickle. This makes it much easier to pull as you now have a handle instead of having to one arm it and also make sure you don't poke yourself with your own sickle! If Shishido had a better kusarigama it would have the chain on top. I have to admit though that the chain coming out from the bottom looks very cool for the stance he takes. Probably the reason why they did it like that.
I'd say both work alright. When the chain is linked into the top of the kama, you have a better lever and effect on the chain. At the bottom, you can use both kusari and kama separately much easier. It's like having a weapon in both hand. The main principle of the kusarigama is that the weight at the end of the chain is for attacking from distance and the kama to party and attack when the enemy manages to get closer. It's much easier when the kama and kusari can move independently from each other.
@@Hachizukatenzo I agree but then there isn't much point to linking the two if they are to be used individually.
@@jellophant9716 Because it's more convenient and you can still pull the kusari with both hands like this if necessary. A kyoketsu shoge works pretty much the same.
短い鎖は上、長い鎖は下に付けています。
1:41 AWESOME SEQUENCES! Not even modern anime can animate this!
I like finding out about musashi I have been watching these clips and reading vagabond to learn about his battles
buy his book of 5 rings. absolutely incredible.
Read Eiji Yoshikawa's book 'Musashi'. It's a masterpiece.
Such a great show! Loved evety episode
If I went back in time, I'd film all of it.
Exactly this.
I wonder if the story of the tea-server that accidentally jostled a samurai on a crowded street has ever been adapted for film, I know Musashi only appears in the story as a friend and advisor and it's the terrified youth who actually takes-up the sword but it's still a fascinating and instructive story and says a lot about the culture of Bushido and the character of certain Samurai, including Musashi.
So many samurai died in combat in mutual clash meaning they'd die killing their opponent so no one walked away from the fight. Musashi was a legend because he survived his encounters with little or no injury. That's skill and good decisions..
Musashi had the high ground
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+Viviana Lara
Girl, you're hot as fuck.
Its over Shishido, I have the high ground
lets hope this joke dies... and drags that shit franchise down with it.
1:25 He will win because he now holds the high ground 😁
I appreciate the more realistic approach to the fight. Of course, there is some drama added to it, and yes there is some choreography for the audience to enjoy. Nonetheless, I appreciate the avoidance of slash-dodge-dramatic flip-matrix...etc.
It doesn't look realistic at all. Shishido Baiken looks like he's wielding a kusarigama for the first time in his life.
I thought he had musashi’s sword with the chain and pulled it away and musashi let it go then threw his short sword into his neck, a risky move that paid off
The actor that plays as Musashi in this series, bro, his stare alone is just perfect.
Ichikawa Shinnosuke is his name. He's actually a kabuki actor as well as a film actor so that explains the dramatic stares haha
Uno de los combates más difíciles para este gran gerrrero
The real fight, without visual effect, man flying or kaboom everywhere...
Its a bit boring, but this is true fight of samuraiin that age
"fried chicken....."
Truly the finest of last words
Folks. It's a movie. Hero must win.
What I like is Musashi fighting like a true exponent of the TWO SWORDS AS ONE SCHOOL.
Nito Ryu, his unique two sword Kenjutsu style. Efficient and deadly.
"Folks. It's a movie. Hero must win."
You "forgot" that this movie was based on an actual event?!
And yes; the "hero" won it.
It's based on "true story" that you have not heard of.
True story written by Mushashi btw
Did Musashi use Baiken's sword to kill him.Which means he used not 2 swords but 3.
1:01 "Feel intimidated by me yet?" XD
Now this Movie 😵👏👏👏♥️👌the fight scenes very poetic ...
Musashi, according to the actual accounts, killed Shishido with a small throwing knife. A surprise attack is what won the duel.
KrosanBeast315 he learned how to throw a smaller version of a katana. I forget what it's called. But it's a technique he kept to himself.
yeah thats fair its combat. and the chain dude had a 10 foot range with that thing and had musachis katana wrapped up so musachi threw his sword and killed his enemy.
orochi? i think may be the name of the shorter throwing sword... probably not, sigh, i play too much old school final fantasy...
the smaller sword is called wakizashi
there is no historical evidence to support this false information, i studied samurai history for 7 years, i know my stuff
musashi guy:........
shishido guy:you win....(died after that)
I have read musahi and loved it- I love the Mifune trilogy but not the novel. This looks wonderfully complete- please tell me the year and director I would love a copy of this series.
Well what i know is that Shishido swing some times his weapon and throw One of Musashi blades and then Musashi simply throw the second sword in Shishido Baiken,i belive in this version since i don't know if a single shuriken is capable of killing someone.The kusarigama is used as well to disarm a samurai,when he grabs the sword with the chain he pull back to disarm the samurai or get him of of balance and then kill the opponent,but Musashi kill him with the 2 sword.
LOl he never expected his enemy to grab his seppuku blade and stab him with it.
Hey, he had the high ground. Doesn't that mean the fights over? That's what star wars the prequels said.
1:41 damn that fight choreography is so tight
The final aim of any fight is to kill your opponent, no matter how.
Art of War ignorant much?
@@prof.yurivaldesalvarezarza3998 Art of War is not ignorant tho it could be applied to any form of warfare/combat
More like the ultimate objective of any fight is that it is ended. Preferably as soon as possible and with the least losses if possible. And if you can prevent the fight, better.
You might fight for money. Status. Because you enjoy fighting. To commit suicide. To inspire others. Etc etc. Different objectives require different approaches. Musashi could have won by 1) ganging up on baiken or 2) using a gun or 3) assassination, etc etc.
No disrespect to the movie and actors but I feel like this movie(mushashi) deserves a re-made with better graphics better picture and action..
Yeah, either I...
Vagabond by Inoue...
So beautiful story...
Anyone knows the title of this movie?
Probably as good a version as reality as any.Brilliant video.
鎖鎌で鎖がついている場所は、柄尻ではなく鎌の根本についてることが多かったそう。
そうすれば、片手で鎖も鎌も使えるから
実際の決着は武蔵がとっさに脇差を胸めがけて投げつけた
Musashi taught against using two hands to hold the sword. He used one hand swings and chops bc he said holding the sword with two hands limited the action of the sword
The drama (2003 and I think 1984 as well) and the novel depicted him as using the two swords, instead of against using the two swords. His technique is Ni-ten Ichi-ryū and it's mentioned in the Book of the Five Rings.
@@Icha74 that’s what I meant. He taught against using two hands to use one sword
@@arajoaina I see. I thought you meant he taught against using two hands to hold swords, my bad. Thanks for the clarification.
I recommend you read "The Book of Five Rings" (五輪書), i apologize if I made a misspelling.
What's name of movie pls & thank
This opponent gave Musashi more of a run for the money than did any other.
This fight seems familiar from the Samurai X fight scene in the intro theme song 🤔♥️👏 never got to see the actual fight in the anime since it was always in the theme song but watching this was very satisfying...
he had more trouble here than with kojiro
If I'm wrong someone correct me but isn't this the duel where Musashi also did a first by throwing his companion sword and killing his opponent?
Musashi never threw his sword He drew it unsheafed so the chain entangled the sheaf . He the usheafed it and cut his opponent down.
That guy's using master Betty's iron claws!
Musashi : high stance dual sword, sometimes switch to mid stance to defend and dodge, then switch to barehanded moves when disarmed and use ninja counter in one kill
Shishido : keep switching high stance to mid stance resulting lost of ki and focus but manage to disarm musashi's sword
if the enemy runs away from you, then you shouldn’t chase him. it will turn out stupid
1:07 - all he had to do, was to come in and stab the chain guy.
Another gimmick at 1:40 - instead of withdrawing sword and stabbing, all he had to do, was to slide it down towards the legs.
In the first case, do not forget that along with the chain there is also a sickle.
In the book the battle is much shorter although described pretty long!
After an initial testing for the other's weakness this happens:
Baiken tangles his chain on Musashi's long sword he soon realises in horror he must let go of the Katana! Then as soon as he notices Baiken's short sword he makes a delighted face expression and yells "NOW I UNDERSTAND THE KUSARIGAMA!" And he immediately lets go of the Katana. Then in a split second - while rushing towards Baiken he draw-throws his own Wakizashi towards Baiken, who barely manages to dodge it, slightly throwing him off-balance. Musashi arrives in a blink of an eye, punching hard on Baiken's hand trying to reach for his own Wakizashi, still seathed, and instead Musashi draws it, also cutting Baiken in a single move.
All this in a few swift moments!
I'm not a writer so sorry for the lousy job - but this fight always amused me. How Musashi could realise and adapt to new situations was phenomenal!
Also, the fight was a part of a larger brawl, where Musashi and Gonnosuke were walking along and got ambushed by Baiken, Gion Toji (wielding a musket) and a few other thugs in the fog.
In fact the book is a lot different from this series. While both are excellent I still prefer the book. No actor can possibly play Musashi, Kojiro or Baiken perfectly. These men were just too good fighters. Their entire life was about fighting and they practiced it every single day - so it's an impossible to expect any actor to accurately impersonate them. But Yoshikawa Eiji's outstanding writing can let an insight into their world.
A few fun facts from the book:
- Musashi (after becoming Miyamoto Musashi) became much smoother, often smiling at his enemies in battle, without any sign of tension. Scary
- Kojiro was far from the gentleman displayed in the series. He was a cold unhuman childish killing machine. Killing any time he found joy in it. And he often did.
- Toji was just a scoundrel, didn't take part in the big fight where Musashi faced off the entire Yoshioka school. He never lost his arm but became a bandit and used a musket against Musashi. Got killed by Gonnosuke
- Gonnosuke never asks Musashi to let him win. He fights his hardest and while he manages to punch Musashi with his staff (when his mother notices an opening and yells) he also gets wounded badly.
- Matahachi's mother is much more evil and obsessed to kill Otsu
what movie/show is this? I cannot find it anywhere : ( I reaIIy want to watch it!
Thank you for your good comment btw!
@@hadenanderson9968 This is a TV series called 'Musashi' from 2003. If I recall correctly it has 49 long episodes
@@tamaskosa3283 thank you so much!!!!1
@@hadenanderson9968 You're welcome! If you can't find it still, let me know and I'll help
this is better than final fight againts kojiro
monsterfizz1 yeah.. i think this is the best battle in the entire series.
Very tactical 👏
Foi com isso que ele teve a ideia de usar 2 espadas. O cara aí embaixo já comentou. Mas no duelo com Kojiro foi só o remo
!!!!!Beatifull!!! From Hellas!!
I used to have the Samurai trilogy starring Toshiro Mifune as the titular Musashi. When did this version come out? It looks really good.
It was a series from 2003.
All episodes are on You Tube.
What’s the name of the movie??!! Or how can I find it??!!
Vagabond chains and sickle.
Shishido Baiken 1580-1607 Samurai and Musashi Miyamoto 1584-June 13 ,1645
And he perfected the duel sword fighting technique
Katsu explosion single moment of epiphany
2:00
Musashi's epic fishing arc
Can I have the title of this movie 🎥 I wanna watch it
Am i the only who once i had the chain wrapped around the katana would have driven it into the ground to render that chain useless and then rush him with the wakizashi?
not really
1. Enemy could run to Musashi and would have enough loose chain to catch his feet or something. a usually tactic with this weapon.
or
2. Enemy still got a Kama and the second sword. Both for close range fighting.
or
3. every fight is differant. you can win 1.000 fights against the same enemy. 1001 you still can lose.
have a ncie day :)
NO WAY that chain link didn't get cut in half by the katana strike
From which version of Musashi films is this excerpt taken?
Necessity is the mother of all invention.
In Vagabond this fight is so hype
In the Vagabond manga by Takehiko Inoue, Baiken survives due to asking Musashi to go back to the village and get some healing supplies. In this series, Baiken dies. What happened in real life?
Baiken died. musashi did not have a very good history of people surviving duels
Musashi as usual took the high ground & into the bamboo to deter chain & sickle but Baiken did well until the end when he ran out of luck & maybe stamina.
How many cuts we need for this fight boss?...three for every attack
いい～🍀ですね☀️😃❗
素晴らしい～
ですね🎵
Good Sean.
the spiral of death and killing..
You know, fighting against a Kusarigama if you had a shield and sword would be easier. But I understand that different cultures rule and this and that. I think the Shield would give you an advantage of defense because with just a Katana, you are open to most of the attacks and would need to rely on your agility to evade the attacks. Let's be glad the samurai didn't have to face off against it's European medieval counter-part knights.
brianthao102 if you try to block kusarigama then it'll just twist and hit you in the back.
Amar Munkhjargal it would be challenging to do so since you'd need to get behind my shield. You're just trying to make an opening and strike. In reality, this weapon relies on range to do so. Sword and shield would mean good defense with good offense capabilities. You only have distance as a protection. Shorten my distance, then pummeling you senseless and stabbing you at the same time? So, there's not much you could do when my shield gives me an edge to combat at close range and defense from your chain. Aside from that, if I had a spear, you'd be even more screwed because I got my range with my spear and my close combat with my sword.
No need to get behind you. I can just hit you from above. Whether you block it or not the chains will hit the shield but the weight will twist and hit you in the back. Unless you bring big-ass roman shield or sth. Also, I got only chain and sickles and you got a bigass shield so there's no way you gonna get close to me.
Let me remind you, under all that heavy equipement. You are a sitting duck. Just take a look at how the mongol rip through the western world. Knight heavy armor tactic got outclass by hit and run tactic. It not practical to wear full body armor while traveling like a vagabond.
In your case, you keep saying shield and sword is best combo. Do you understand a real duel taking terrain into the calculation. The medieval knight shield are quite heavy, hard to wield in narrow terrain such as forest, indoor. holding a shield can be considered a disadvantage.
If you are using the scenario above as an example.
brianthao102 oh look keyboard weaboo right here
I watched this entire series over a few weeks, and not only was it amazing, but I actually learned how to understand a lot of the Japanese language. I can't speak it except for a few phrases from Martial Arts, but I was really starting to get the syntax and a bunch of vocabulary. By the end I was barely reading the subtitles.
How to get the whole series
What’s the name???
二刀流開眼！
Молодец Мусаши!
Basically the inspiration for Beatrix Kiddo vs Gogo Yubari.
This reminds me of the fight between the bride and gogo in kill bill
I wouldn't use that swinging weapon because you may hit your own head with it.
what is the titltle of this movie??
Ha it's over anakin I have the high ground. Or it's over shishindo I have the high ground.
What year was this series from? I often get the different versions mixed up.
NHK 2003.
This scene is taken from which movie, what's the name please tell
TV series, just called Musashi.All episodes on You Tube.
Невыносимая тяжесть пафоса!
Как в детстве игра в войнушку....
قتال زور ضد كيلر في انمي one piece مقتبس من هذا القتال هههه
As far as I remember Musashi, once disarmed, killed him with a shuriken according to the books I’ve read
If I remember correctly, Musashi had actually used his wakizashi to kill Shishido. It was an unorthodox move, as the wakizashi was mostly used as a parrying sidearm at the time. This gave rise to Muashi's distinct twin-bladed style of swordsmanship which he became famous for.
Of course I could be wrong, it's been about 15 years since I read the book.
Arigato
No money de finish death?
In fact, if mushasi shortened the distance, it's the advantage of him. But why he didnt do it? Im confuse. May be it only the wrong fact of film, not in the reality.
What's the name of this movie
Сисидо Байкен - это тот, который Цидзукадзе Кохей?
What movie is this I have seen the original trillogy what is the new one
The 2003 Taiga Drama, titled "Musashi" by NHK, 49 episodes long.