Not really. The ROI when including RAM, a cheap SSD/HDD, and a motherboard is shit. You can only have 1 CPU per board, making it not feasible for mining farms.
You'll get what? 2 CPU's per board? Mining rigs can have 12 GPU's per system. Anyways, this wont effect normal Ryzen CPU's. I doubt X370 even supports 2 CPU's
It really wouldn’t be a big problem, as the TR 1950x isn’t really for gaming. It would be more of a problem for video editors. However, if this featured an i7 8700k, it would be the definitive end of PC gaming.
finally someone who understands this. we also won't get those motherboards, cause the processors themselves have to be developed with more cpus in mind.
The better Xenon processors also have 32MB or more L3 cache. There are server boards that can hold 4 CPU's en if that isn't enough you can add a few Xenon Phi PCIx co-processors. But this is probably about 5x more expensive that a 6 GPU rig, even with the current prices.
It is not a threat to gaming. The only ones who _MIGHT_ be affected by this are streamers who may be looking at purchasing high core count CPUS, *but* no serious miner is going to just buy all the threadrippers and extreme editions. It is crazy stupid to only mine on CPU. You end up paying for ,while somewhat (but seriously it is useless)useful, amount of threads and other wasteful things as well. The ROI rate vs investment price is simply to darn high! GPU mining, and ASIC mining is the way to go...unless some guy comes up with a cryptocurrency that is most efficiently mined on cpu which is...-(evil laugh, evil laugh, _*EVIL LAUGH*_)-
with GPU and memory prices being so damn high these days, OEM prebuilt are the only way to go for a decent gaming pc. prices will continue to go up, Silicon will increase by 20%, GDDR5 will increase, DDR4 will stay $200+ 16gig till next year
DanielRichards644 can you share with us how you got 1600 to run at 490 H/s?? I got mine running between 280-360 max. Even 1700x reportedly tops at 450 after some tweaking. Are we missing something?
DanielRichards644 R5 1600 does not make a dollar a day mining. You also aren't taking motherboard or RAM costs in to account. These add a fairly significant amount to the cost of each CPU for mining. CPU mining is seriously inefficient. Mining with CPUs in systems you already own, is another story entirely, but for the sole intention of mining, it's stupid.
Sanctorum sane ppl who mines with CPUs are the ones that already own a PC or already mining with GPUs attached to it. Either way, it's just an extra bit that covers electricity. I have actually seen around a $1 a day with Ryzen 1600 but that's when Bitcoin is around $14k-15k. What's mind boggling to me is how he achieved 490 H/s with a 1600, if he actually did.
All of you in the comments are shitting on miners yet I highly doubt you have a 1950X in your system. Keep in mind the current price for a single 1950X; and you can only have one in your rig, why would miners resort to this? It's simply not efficient enough.
Jaycee Nvidia stopped selling to big cyptominers, there's a thing called a server board. With a server board you can have multiple CPUs so for the big cyptominers, it might be better to use CPUs
Their point is that if they(miners) start using cpu's for mining. People will also start to use other cpu's other than threadripper. That's what they're afraid of
One vega card is 50% faster in monero than 1950X system(2000H/s vs 1300H/s). You can put dozen gpus in small rack, use 1-2 motherboards with cheap cpu, ram etc plus couple beefy PSUs. Having 20 TR system instead makes no sense whatsoever. Not only you would have 20 sets of motherboards, ram, coolers, hard drives, graphics cards(no iGPU!) and PSUs, you would have 20 operating systems, 20 instances of mining software. Managing all this is by far more complex than GPU rigs. Miners are simply not going to use CPUs for mining when GPU alternatives exists.
For everyone complaining about demand and rising prices of GPU's. GPU manufactures generally only sell a few high-end card for every 1000 people. So do their production lines. High end CPU's on the other hand can be produced much more in mass and are bought by the thousands in data centers. I don't expect that because of mining the amount of CPU's sold will double anytime soon. Beyond that the only somewhat profitable CPU's are already very expensive and have much lower ROI than GPU's. But if you're planning to upgrade to a new system. Than you might want to buy a bit more powerful CPU.
I got my cards at IMINERS,CO and they are great group of people. Cards are cheap, support is insane, shipping is fast and they provide wholesale discount. What can be better?
Sure none of this issue has NOTHING to do with the memory shortages caused by cell phone manufactures? Oh wait... nobody considers the fact that Apple buys all the memories. which oh wait.. GPU's utilize the same memory... Lay off the miners. And point fingers where they should be pointed. The manufactures. Period.
I was not planning on buying this CPU because of how much it costs. So, Basically ya after this video i will force expand my budget to buy threadripper. Because now i can make back half the amount that i have invested and at the same time i will have a cutting edge PC for editing my video. Win win for me. Except for the fact that i may have to run my pc without a graphics card. Also the graphics card are out of stock with retailers since last 3 months.
For those complaining about CPU prices rising, I'm not 100% certain, however I believe this only actually profitable with high end CPUs like in this case the Threadripper parts, going by the L3 cache required, this Threadripper 1950X has 64MB of L3 cache, compare that to the 8MB on a last gen 7700K. The profitability is also stunted by the fact that more often than not you can't run multiple CPUs on one motherboard, factoring in motherboard prices makes it even less profitable. I understand that many of us are worried that prices on PC parts are going to keep rising, however, after applying some practical thinking, I don't think CPU mining is going to blow up and ruin the CPU market. I find this a great and interesting exploration video on the other possible ways to do mining and a massive thumbs up to Eber for making such an informative and interesting video. Don't just hate on him without looking at the content objectively.
kodefa Shmodefa used market? Or buy from australia and get it shipped, our prices havent risen much at all and the usd is much much better than our low value currency
Jordi Bear used market is crazy. You can't even find a used 1050 or 1050ti at MSRP. I have 0 intention of paying more than I have to. I was eyeballing getting into photography and video editing and also have enough pc horsepower for game capture (and what other pc enthusiast doesn't want all the cores?). But I'll have to look at Australian stuff I had no idea. There anywhere in particular I should look?
+kodefa ShmodefaTry the EVGA and/or Nvidia websites, they both sell GPUs at MSRP. But you'll have to keep an eye out, because they go out of stock pretty quickly.
yeah ive been keeping an eye out for a 1080ti would prefer the SC2 but im willing to settle even for any blower style. but i was really eyeballing the 1950x cpu but if mining with it catches on ill have to give up and find the most threadiest laptop. i seen a ryzen 1700 based laptop from asus with awful batt life.
S.T.O.P TALKING ABOUT IT! Seriously, this is only going to encourage people to combine GPU's and extremely powerful cpu's to mine faster which will in turn, raise the prices even more. a 1060 costs almost 700 dollar in some places now, thats fucking absurd...
Stop panicking...GPU mining is vastly more profitable than CPU mining. You can stick a dozen or more of GPUs on a single motherboard but only 1 CPU, it's already less cost and space effective. Plus the PSU shenanigans if you want to mine with multiple CPUs, plus cooling, plus resale value - you'll have much easier time reselling your GPUs than a Threadripper. So yeah, it works. But is is better than GPU mining? I don't think so. Besides, how many of you are planning to buy a Threadripper? Chill out, folks, you're safe...
i agree, i have a few zcash rigs and one eth, but i think this video is meant for people with gaming rigs that already have threadrippers, cool way for kids to pay off their gaming rigs, at least in my oppinion
or if you are about to do a build ... i would have never thought about getting a thread ripper for my uses ... but knowing this it might be worth it to toss in my rig
Perhaps try disabling smt and then theoretically you will have double the per thread hash rate because two threads have been made into one thread and there will also then be enough cache for each thread
Great Video!, I honestly don't know why people are giving this thumbs down....If you have a PC that is able to generate you a profit and you don't do it, then that's your choice....if you decide to make money with your PC then that's also a choice. People need to respect that, we are not talking about mining farms, we are talking about people using their gaming/working PC to mine on the side. If I have to pay 2X the MSRP for a video card right now, you can bet your @ss I am going to mine on the side to make up the extra cost. And I am a PC gamer #1, but gamers don't own the hardware market. This is a capitalist reality, either get on board or wait for the craziness to pass......I don't think any gamers are gonna cry when the market gets flooded with used GTX 1070, 1080, 1080ti, Vega 56 cards for cheap.....same with ram prices....but there is no silver lining there....you either pay the high price for RAM or wait for prices to drop....at least with Video Cards you can offset the cost.
To all of the people complaining in the comments about rising prices etc. Miners already knew all of this BEFORE mining blew up last year. A couple tech RUclipsrs have 0 effect over the jacked prices! You guys are all learning about it now, but miners figured this out long, long ago.
Please stop giving this stuff ANY publicity. Seriously. Do not talk about it. Act as if it isn't happening. By drawing more and more and more attention to this every day, you help promulgate the issue.
I agree with the this video and came to this conclusion several months earlier. I specifically build GPU mining rigs with a 1950x threadripper processor. They are more expensive, but also multi-purpose. With a 3-4 GPU mining +1950x threadripper you can make a reasonable return ($35-15/day) with only a ~600watt power draw at the wall. Only 50-60% cpu utilization vs. Ryzen 7 processors which use 100% of the CPU to get roughly ~400H/s on cryptonight.
This is a great solution for more budget oriented pc gamers to get a higher spec system. I’m rocking a fx 8350 OC to 4.7GHz with my old gtx 780 and I’m making about $3.75/day. Instead of upgrading to a Ryzen 5, I’ll be able to get a thread ripper and recoup a lot of that upfront cost. It’s such a great idea for things like that.
What I can't understand is why universities/government bodies don't create a software that pays you for your processing power.. It's basically like having supercomputer without a startup cost
Even easier and lower cost to get started is HDD mining with Burst. Spare hard drive space can be 'plotted' and then used to mine. It uses a fraction of the energy of other mining types and allows you to keep using your computer normally as the mining process is not very compute/memory intensive.
Well im a gamer who uses their rig to mine and i really like the video. Im glad to see a youtuber using their CPU's to mine properly! Most people dont realize what they are loosing out on by not mining with the parts that they already own. It seems foolish to me to not use the parts you already own to mine, its like walking past money blowing down the street. I understand the dislike of the gpu costs rising, but the costs will stabilize after the hype is over. Just be patient.
It only make sense if you buy the cpu for something else. And add some gpu to mine Eth. When you need the computer at full power just close the mining programs. Perfect way to make profit while not using the computer.
Even in early 2018 the lack of availability to find and purchase higher end components has become VERY difficult in deed! Lets face it... once you can justify a profit margin, especially when it doesn't take away personal time, and all you have to do is watch your profits grow... tons of people will jump on that! Look at how many already have!! It's an easy way to make a bucket today right? And it's happening on a grand scale.
GPUs are more expensive because of crypto but because of crypto, you can earn back the extra cash it costs to buy one with a little mining. Add another GPU and it won't be long before you have earned back the money spent for the entire system. I know this to be true because I'm running seven GTX 1060s that gave me ROI in less than 90 days (you have account for +/- changes in coin values). It's never been as profitable to build a machine as now, the more powerful it is, the more you make in return which makes it more cost effective to build a kick ass system than buy low or midline. In the past I've recycled my old PC after no one picked up from the curb. Now the graphics cards are worth more than when I bought them a year ago. ROIx? Just saying! Great video!!!
The good thing about mining with TR or maybe even a 1600/1700 (8 threads, 16MB L3 cache) is that cpu's are more designed for continous heavy workload meanwhile gpu's for consumers are not, and they got tons of components that can fail from overwork 24/7.
All of the Ryzen CPUs I've worked with have been pleasantly profitable to mine on, especially after Cryptonite V7. I'm currently pulling in up to ~650hs on my Ryzen 2600X! This is quite an achievement considering my dual Xeon server (Haswell) can only fetch ~950hs (v7) / ~1,100hs.
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"Graphics card prices have been spiraling out of control due to the Bitcoin cryptocurrency craze" 2013 called and they want their headline back. No one uses GPUs for Bitcoin anymore.
No one in their right mind would buy all motherboard and other components to just mine with a threadripper. Trust me, you only mine with a threadripper if you already have it.
Try the LOW POWER MODE too. I want to see how it affects profitability and power consumption. Xmr-stak also has a low power mode which uses 4mb cache per thread. So you can use only 8 threads and still get about 80-90% of hashrate. This is much more profitable.
I have almost 300 x GPU's mining at my home at the moment. Trust me, at $18 monthly, that is PISS POOR. Not worth the money, time or effort. Just not. I'll stick to purchasing NVIDIA GPU's.
I have a Threadripper with a 1080ti for video editing and was thinking of mining when not using the system. I'll think of it as subsistence farming.. eemm.. mining. I might get some of the cash back I spent on it. Ran some tests and this seems like a reasonable idea and, might also do it on my gaming rig. I will see how it goes.
Couse of this? Are you not comprehending what he is saying? There is pretty much only 1 CPU that got good profit for mining, and that one is expensive as fuck. And overkill for gaming, so stop crying pls.
So, I have a 1950x w/ 2 x EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrids that is getting built this weekend, can I use all three concurrently? FYI, I’m not a miner and this PC is being built primarily for 3D design + GPU rendering / animation / editing. But I was lucky enough to get those GPUs at MSRP - though it took 5 weeks to fulfill my back order.
Just bought bulk cpus at slightly below msrp. Gonna go great with my 30 gtx 1070s 26 1080s 21 1080ti 50 1050tis 43 rx 570s 20 rx580s Can't wait for the price inflation for maximum profits
I'm doing exactly this with my Ryzen 1700x and xmr-stak. I get around 550H/sec on monero. I turn on the miner overnight or when watching videos and turn it off when I game or do work. No "pro" miner would ever do CPU mining, hardware costs are too high for the hashrate. No one is going to buy a $3000 threadripper system to make $50/month mining. But if you bought one for work/gaming, then why not mine a little in the background or off hours. People relax. The problem is that the market isn't making enough memory and GPUs for everyone who wants to buy. Give it 6-12months and things should start to stabilize back to reasonable MSRP.
Mining is about ROI. The 1950x earns double when compared to a R7 1700 (overclocked), give or take, but at a much lower price. A good recommendation would be if you are building a rig to use a R7 1700 and add video cards. This way if you decide to sell you rig for some reason (mining not profitable anymore), you can sell the cpu+mb combo for a decent price, all this after you got your ROI for it. If you plan to mine while your GAMING computer is idling, consider building a Ryzen system because it could turn out to be "a free system" because you get your money back after a while. I have a R5 1600 and I make about 1$ per day while I am not using it. Using it for 1 year it will get me about 300$ (because I am not using it 100% of the time for mining). This means that the CPU+MB combo should be almost payed for from mining after aprox 1 year. A more safe scenario would be that I would get 0.50 cents per day on average, this means I would make 182.5$ per year from cpu alone. Let's say I plan to keep the system for 3 years (as long as the warranty). This means that I would make 547.5$ per 3 years. This should cover the costs of the system, but power is not included in this (0.1 kW/hour total power draw for CPU+MB). Anyway if you plan to keep the PC on 24/7 it is worth doing it.
For gpu mining, most people lower their tdp output to reduce power consumption whilst having minimal impact on the hashrate. Eg. A 1080 ti underclocked to 70% would use about 175 Watts. Hashing rate would still be decent enough.
everyone seems to say that CPU pricing is going to be infalting too do you really think that we'll see warehouses filled with expensive motherboards and CPU, making only 2$/day for a 1000$ investment, when they can just buy whatever cheap CPU and put 2 to 3 GPUs on it for the same price whil they'd make 20$/day? no one would be dumb enough to throw away money at CPUs when you can have a more profitable system for the same price
thanks for the video. by the way..the Electroneum miner does NOT use your cpu/ARM proc. The coins are pre-mined and are given to someone who has the ETN app ON.
For the gaming community I hope this takes off, though anyone wanting to buy a TR for something other than mining would end up in the same situation as the current GPU field. That being the case though, I can see setting up server systems with multiple CPU's per board being something to look into. The question is always if it will be profitable enough to pay for the hardware before the price drops out of the bottom.
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Lol, this will never affect CPU prices. Much more profitable to buy a bunch of GPUs, even with as much as GPUs currently cost, and run them all off of one CPU and motherboard, than to buy an entire system's worth of motherboard, RAM, PSU, etc for every $1000 CPU that will only produce $2.50 or so per day anyway. You people are freaking out about nothing. CPU prices and availability are not going to change.
Good video thumbs up, I can get 620hs on my 1800x. Doesn't really mack senes to mack a dedicated CPU mining rig but if your building a gaming or editing rig and are looking at what CPU to get this is a good idea send that thing to the mines when your not using it.
I think people are kind of mis-understanding your conclusion and think you are trying to say "go buy all the 1950x's now". He's saying if you already own one, then mining MIGHT be a nice way to make some extra money on the side. He is NOT saying go out and buy all the 1950x's as the ROI (return on investment) time is way too long.
The CPU vs GPU goes out the window power wise when you have multiple monitors in one system.. IE mining rigs are more efficient when they have 4-6 GPUs in them. You have a base power usage of CPU/Mobo/Ram/HDD for one system, then it's just powering the GPUs. I'd like to see a video of a 4 GPU system (ala LinusTechTips) vs 4 threadripper systems setup on Monero. Power vs output & ROI calculated.
"To put it in simple terms, I'm basically selling video content" to make a buck, "helping" people out to step into the mining world and advertise AMD products (the CPU to be more exact) Yes, I know this is just an informative video... It's just for kicks to see how does this AMD product stand against the overly priced GPUs in the mining world. Your profit will be around 46-47$ month minus the mining fee (and of course, the exchanges fees/rates, then there are taxes) The ROI for the CPU will be around 16 months+. But yeah, it's all good, it's informative. It's not just you guys milking the mining topic for views, advertising and so on. Because it makes all the sense in the world to buy a CPU like this, wait almost 2 years to make ROI and mine with it :))))))))
for all the haters out there against Bitcoinmining etc... First of all, enyone is allowed to go buy parts, the companys are making this parts just for that simple thing, so you can buy it and enjoy it. To be able to make new technilogies you need money, so this may be looking bad, but this will boost "alot" against getting new cpu's/gpu's. Moust of all of you don't even need a threadripper and have no idea what you are talking about or what you should buy. So before you start thinking of buying the best gpu or cpu in the world, mabe think of what you need first, what you do. you don't need an Overclockabel cpu or gpu, you have never needed one, think of all the money you could have saved by going with the Non OC version. The best product out there will never be the best option. wait 1year and it is the worst but 100x better then what you have and can probly buy it for the same price as nuudles. Now go feel sorry for yourself and, shat da fak ap. thanks.
no one will buy 1k $ cpu special for mining lol, you forgot that there is also need an expensive motherboard and RAM. GPU more profitable in any case. So relax and don't say stupid things, like you do.
It's not going to happen. 1- GPU Minining is WAY more efficient and cost friendly to the miners 2- I don't think it's possible to mine with CPU and GPU at the same time (maybe it is, but i think it'll make the system unstable) 3- Crypto currency market is starting to chill, it's not dying, but it's surely slowing down (for now) Buying a high end system is not just buying a processor, ram and GPU, it needs power, lots of power, and PSUs die sooner if you draw too much from them and it's not predictable. that means they'll have to stop mining to fix that sooner or later. They also may lose a lot of money just by having the system forced to stop.
If your going to tell people to use a nicehash script why not tell them to just use the application itself. There is way less set up for the end user and you get way more options for the miner. Also I currently mine on my r7 1700 and make around an additional $1 per day on top of my gpus with a 3.9 GHz overclock. I would love to see a vid with the effects of overclocking on roi.
The mining craze won't be permanent. As more and more people start mining, the power world consumption increases and just as the GPU prices increased due to high demand, so will electricity costs will increase, leaving less profit to the miners and in the end, the economy crashes.
For those concerned with the CPU price after watching this: no, it won't happen. Most of the time, CPU mining doesn't worth the effort if one starts from scratch I do mine Electroneum with CPUs across many dedicated servers and VPS, and I barely got about 700~800 H/s in Cryptonight algorithm. It means I get roughly 12 to 15 ETN per day, and with the current condition of cryptocurrency market, it only generates a 1 USD a day Yeah, Threadripper has more hashpower (in fact, twice what I got). But considering the ROI time, it would take a lot of time. It's simply not worth it. That's why GPU mining is more convenient for miners: it doesn't only mine with one specific algorithm, but the miner can choose which coin is more profitable with the hashpower he has by choosing the right algorithm. And with tools like NiceHash, everything is easier. (BTW NiceHash is only for starters, but it's a whole new topic.) But hey, nice video Eber! I'm curious with Ryzen though 😂
So I have a question... If you use this setup to CPU mine, and you have enough resources to also do editing work... would that not also mean that the same said resources could be leveraged for GPU mining at the same time by adding graphics cards? In essence mining a bunch of both at the same time?
I have been a gamer for 20 years. And I've never got enough saved to buy the best out there. The prices are higher every year. So yeah, I absolutely do not believe miners made gaming expensive. It was always expensive.
Ankit Panwar Dude a 1080ti is $1200+ instead of $700. I’m pretty sure they’ve made it a bit more expensive. I’ll blame them for making gpus and low end CPUs more expensive but not anything else.
Also look at the prices for "budget" gear. 1050 for 150-200 1050ti for 250ish rx560s for 200-250 sure I guess it depends on your perspective but mining has made building a gaming pc unthinkable right now.
God forbid someone has to stick a previous generation card in their new build, that's just totally unthinkable... Not even mentioning how Nvidia has been bending over their own fanboys for the last few GPU generations with outrageous price increases(see: AdoredTV)
mining electroneum on mobile isn't real mining, it's just simulated, there's a fund left over from the ICO that gives you free coins for having the app open. it does absolutely no processing your phone.
Using my gaming PC to mining when I'm not using it. 16 hours a day, after the electricity it will be $ 50-100 month and sufficient for free Spotify Premium and Netflix. Better than buying stuff for only mining and sweating over the BTC to crash. I use AMD 1800X och GTX 1080.
Very informative video, thank you. Might have to look into that. Even if I don't achieve the same hash rate with my 1700@3.8GHz, it'd take a lot less compute power for the hardware to pay for itself.
To everyone freaking out about this going to shake up the cpu market, no it isn't. just because it is a little bit profitable to mine with a threadripper does not mean that it e.g. an intel i7-8800k will increase in prise. most cpus are not profitable to mine with, and threadripper is not very good at it either. with a static btc/alt.crypt. price you're looking at an roi of about 4-500 days. For miners it is then better to just buy another gpu a bit overpriced because the roi and setup of many miners is easier with gpus than cpus. atm, there is only one algo thats profitable for cpus, if coins of that algo plumit, then the cpu isnt worth anything. with most gpus you can then just change to another algo.
I'm laughing at the higher wattage usage from the Core i9 CPU. Best thing I've ever seen in my life. Fewer cores and threads for almost double the energy use. Logic.
You should mine Nerva with the Ryzen. It's way easier too. Just download it and mine with the deamon. Solo mining only, no pools, no extra mining software.
With Threadripper's reputation of being good at multitasking, can you do a benchmark video of this PC playing games while mining at the same time or is that even possible?
Did you see any difference in hash rate from using smt cores as opposed to physical cores? Just wondering if they behave any differently or if they're treated just as a logical processor
It will be funny when CPU, RAM, GPU and pretty much any techology-related item prices spikes, and people will be blaming on mining, when the real reason is that silicon is getting more expensive, and with that silicon waffers are getting more and more expensive. I just wanna see everything on fire and people balming one another for anything. I'll just grab my popcorn and watch :)
Does ram memory speed also affect the hashrate? Ryzen has the ability to utilize the ram speed to access things faster? Was wondering if that's possible @hardwarecanucks
rip cpu prices
Not really. The ROI when including RAM, a cheap SSD/HDD, and a motherboard is shit. You can only have 1 CPU per board, making it not feasible for mining farms.
not on a server board lol
First Name Last Name who knows they may make multiple socket threadripper motherboards, if it's possible.
You'll get what? 2 CPU's per board? Mining rigs can have 12 GPU's per system. Anyways, this wont effect normal Ryzen CPU's. I doubt X370 even supports 2 CPU's
It really wouldn’t be a big problem, as the TR 1950x isn’t really for gaming. It would be more of a problem for video editors. However, if this featured an i7 8700k, it would be the definitive end of PC gaming.
Unless we see motherboards that support 6+ CPUs for mining, then we have nothing to worry about w/r to CPU prices.
Colin Cochran Yeah what a pointless video
finally someone who understands this. we also won't get those motherboards, cause the processors themselves have to be developed with more cpus in mind.
The better Xenon processors also have 32MB or more L3 cache. There are server boards that can hold 4 CPU's en if that isn't enough you can add a few Xenon Phi PCIx co-processors. But this is probably about 5x more expensive that a 6 GPU rig, even with the current prices.
Unless? You mean untill?
hmm... new project?
the last thing we want , is CPU price going also up.. that would be the last nail in PC gamings coffin...
don't worry they won't. CPU mining isn't profitable by any means and is essentially pointless. The ROI time is literally shit.
like you were going to buy a threadripper
nope... but seeing how even the the 560 and the 1050 cards price gone up cuz the other actually for mining bought cards price hike.. just saying...
It is not a threat to gaming. The only ones who _MIGHT_ be affected by this are streamers who may be looking at purchasing high core count CPUS, *but* no serious miner is going to just buy all the threadrippers and extreme editions. It is crazy stupid to only mine on CPU. You end up paying for ,while somewhat (but seriously it is useless)useful, amount of threads and other wasteful things as well. The ROI rate vs investment price is simply to darn high! GPU mining, and ASIC mining is the way to go...unless some guy comes up with a cryptocurrency that is most efficiently mined on cpu which is...-(evil laugh, evil laugh, _*EVIL LAUGH*_)-
with GPU and memory prices being so damn high these days, OEM prebuilt are the only way to go for a decent gaming pc. prices will continue to go up, Silicon will increase by 20%, GDDR5 will increase, DDR4 will stay $200+ 16gig till next year
In other news, CPU price went up recently upto 100% of their original value.
Not really. Other than threadripper 1950x all other cpus are non efficient to mine with so I don’t think the prices of cpus will increase at all.
DanielRichards644 more like half dollar or even lesser a day now
DanielRichards644 can you share with us how you got 1600 to run at 490 H/s?? I got mine running between 280-360 max. Even 1700x reportedly tops at 450 after some tweaking. Are we missing something?
DanielRichards644 R5 1600 does not make a dollar a day mining. You also aren't taking motherboard or RAM costs in to account. These add a fairly significant amount to the cost of each CPU for mining. CPU mining is seriously inefficient. Mining with CPUs in systems you already own, is another story entirely, but for the sole intention of mining, it's stupid.
Sanctorum sane ppl who mines with CPUs are the ones that already own a PC or already mining with GPUs attached to it. Either way, it's just an extra bit that covers electricity. I have actually seen around a $1 a day with Ryzen 1600 but that's when Bitcoin is around $14k-15k. What's mind boggling to me is how he achieved 490 H/s with a 1600, if he actually did.
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*Mine Diamonds*
*I'll mine them*
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Are you crazy for playing Minecraft ???
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This is obviously a reference to the song you uncultured swines
All of you in the comments are shitting on miners yet I highly doubt you have a 1950X in your system. Keep in mind the current price for a single 1950X; and you can only have one in your rig, why would miners resort to this? It's simply not efficient enough.
Jaycee Nvidia stopped selling to big cyptominers, there's a thing called a server board. With a server board you can have multiple CPUs so for the big cyptominers, it might be better to use CPUs
Ethan Sanchez miners allready Went away from cpus due to them being less effective than cpus
I have a 1950X in my system...
Time to start mining I guess!
Their point is that if they(miners) start using cpu's for mining. People will also start to use other cpu's other than threadripper. That's what they're afraid of
One vega card is 50% faster in monero than 1950X system(2000H/s vs 1300H/s). You can put dozen gpus in small rack, use 1-2 motherboards with cheap cpu, ram etc plus couple beefy PSUs. Having 20 TR system instead makes no sense whatsoever. Not only you would have 20 sets of motherboards, ram, coolers, hard drives, graphics cards(no iGPU!) and PSUs, you would have 20 operating systems, 20 instances of mining software. Managing all this is by far more complex than GPU rigs.
Miners are simply not going to use CPUs for mining when GPU alternatives exists.
For everyone complaining about demand and rising prices of GPU's. GPU manufactures generally only sell a few high-end card for every 1000 people. So do their production lines. High end CPU's on the other hand can be produced much more in mass and are bought by the thousands in data centers. I don't expect that because of mining the amount of CPU's sold will double anytime soon. Beyond that the only somewhat profitable CPU's are already very expensive and have much lower ROI than GPU's. But if you're planning to upgrade to a new system. Than you might want to buy a bit more powerful CPU.
I got my cards at IMINERS,CO and they are great group of people. Cards are cheap, support is insane, shipping is fast and they provide wholesale discount. What can be better?
CPU prices ^
GPU prices ^
RAM prices ^
R.I.P. Gamers
Luka Ružić :D Good Right??
PLEASE STOP 😢
good
gaming is a waste of time
Mining is acually making you money
@3rd Gen Guy....proof me im wrong and show the ROI copy or video u made profit for 1 yr....u can BS with some noob with ur lies
Sure none of this issue has NOTHING to do with the memory shortages caused by cell phone manufactures? Oh wait... nobody considers the fact that Apple buys all the memories. which oh wait.. GPU's utilize the same memory... Lay off the miners. And point fingers where they should be pointed. The manufactures. Period.
There also Computer Graphics 3D Artist Freelancers, VFX Freelancers, Film Cutters and scientists, suffering from Hardware Price Rising!!!!
I was not planning on buying this CPU because of how much it costs. So, Basically ya after this video i will force expand my budget to buy threadripper. Because now i can make back half the amount that i have invested and at the same time i will have a cutting edge PC for editing my video. Win win for me. Except for the fact that i may have to run my pc without a graphics card. Also the graphics card are out of stock with retailers since last 3 months.
For those complaining about CPU prices rising, I'm not 100% certain, however I believe this only actually profitable with high end CPUs like in this case the Threadripper parts, going by the L3 cache required, this Threadripper 1950X has 64MB of L3 cache, compare that to the 8MB on a last gen 7700K. The profitability is also stunted by the fact that more often than not you can't run multiple CPUs on one motherboard, factoring in motherboard prices makes it even less profitable. I understand that many of us are worried that prices on PC parts are going to keep rising, however, after applying some practical thinking, I don't think CPU mining is going to blow up and ruin the CPU market. I find this a great and interesting exploration video on the other possible ways to do mining and a massive thumbs up to Eber for making such an informative and interesting video. Don't just hate on him without looking at the content objectively.
Just when I decide to build a pc then this comes along. I give up.
kodefa Shmodefa used market? Or buy from australia and get it shipped, our prices havent risen much at all and the usd is much much better than our low value currency
Jordi Bear used market is crazy. You can't even find a used 1050 or 1050ti at MSRP. I have 0 intention of paying more than I have to. I was eyeballing getting into photography and video editing and also have enough pc horsepower for game capture (and what other pc enthusiast doesn't want all the cores?). But I'll have to look at Australian stuff I had no idea. There anywhere in particular I should look?
+kodefa ShmodefaTry the EVGA and/or Nvidia websites, they both sell GPUs at MSRP. But you'll have to keep an eye out, because they go out of stock pretty quickly.
it wont... chill... its only actually cost effective on high core count, high l3 chache
yeah ive been keeping an eye out for a 1080ti would prefer the SC2 but im willing to settle even for any blower style. but i was really eyeballing the 1950x cpu but if mining with it catches on ill have to give up and find the most threadiest laptop. i seen a ryzen 1700 based laptop from asus with awful batt life.
Anyone who was saving up for a Threadripper... rip.
S.T.O.P TALKING ABOUT IT! Seriously, this is only going to encourage people to combine GPU's and extremely powerful cpu's to mine faster which will in turn, raise the prices even more. a 1060 costs almost 700 dollar in some places now, thats fucking absurd...
Stop panicking...GPU mining is vastly more profitable than CPU mining. You can stick a dozen or more of GPUs on a single motherboard but only 1 CPU, it's already less cost and space effective. Plus the PSU shenanigans if you want to mine with multiple CPUs, plus cooling, plus resale value - you'll have much easier time reselling your GPUs than a Threadripper.
So yeah, it works. But is is better than GPU mining? I don't think so. Besides, how many of you are planning to buy a Threadripper? Chill out, folks, you're safe...
i agree, i have a few zcash rigs and one eth, but i think this video is meant for people with gaming rigs that already have threadrippers, cool way for kids to pay off their gaming rigs, at least in my oppinion
or if you are about to do a build ... i would have never thought about getting a thread ripper for my uses ... but knowing this it might be worth it to toss in my rig
Perhaps try disabling smt and then theoretically you will have double the per thread hash rate because two threads have been made into one thread and there will also then be enough cache for each thread
Great Video!, I honestly don't know why people are giving this thumbs down....If you have a PC that is able to generate you a profit and you don't do it, then that's your choice....if you decide to make money with your PC then that's also a choice. People need to respect that, we are not talking about mining farms, we are talking about people using their gaming/working PC to mine on the side. If I have to pay 2X the MSRP for a video card right now, you can bet your @ss I am going to mine on the side to make up the extra cost. And I am a PC gamer #1, but gamers don't own the hardware market. This is a capitalist reality, either get on board or wait for the craziness to pass......I don't think any gamers are gonna cry when the market gets flooded with used GTX 1070, 1080, 1080ti, Vega 56 cards for cheap.....same with ram prices....but there is no silver lining there....you either pay the high price for RAM or wait for prices to drop....at least with Video Cards you can offset the cost.
Can all the gpu miners go mine in Minecraft instead so I can buy a 1060 for a reasonable price
Yeah, but Minecraft doesnt play u, does it?
To all of the people complaining in the comments about rising prices etc. Miners already knew all of this BEFORE mining blew up last year. A couple tech RUclipsrs have 0 effect over the jacked prices! You guys are all learning about it now, but miners figured this out long, long ago.
Please stop giving this stuff ANY publicity. Seriously. Do not talk about it. Act as if it isn't happening. By drawing more and more and more attention to this every day, you help promulgate the issue.
Aww. You think a few less RUclips videos on the matter is going to make a difference?
I agree with the this video and came to this conclusion several months earlier. I specifically build GPU mining rigs with a 1950x threadripper processor. They are more expensive, but also multi-purpose. With a 3-4 GPU mining +1950x threadripper you can make a reasonable return ($35-15/day) with only a ~600watt power draw at the wall. Only 50-60% cpu utilization vs. Ryzen 7 processors which use 100% of the CPU to get roughly ~400H/s on cryptonight.
This is a great solution for more budget oriented pc gamers to get a higher spec system. I’m rocking a fx 8350 OC to 4.7GHz with my old gtx 780 and I’m making about $3.75/day. Instead of upgrading to a Ryzen 5, I’ll be able to get a thread ripper and recoup a lot of that upfront cost. It’s such a great idea for things like that.
Steve from Gamers Nexus say "no!"
As if the prices of GPUs wasn't high enough to make the CPUs prices higher now..
What I can't understand is why universities/government bodies don't create a software that pays you for your processing power.. It's basically like having supercomputer without a startup cost
Geniusaur the possibilities are endless
Even easier and lower cost to get started is HDD mining with Burst. Spare hard drive space can be 'plotted' and then used to mine. It uses a fraction of the energy of other mining types and allows you to keep using your computer normally as the mining process is not very compute/memory intensive.
Well im a gamer who uses their rig to mine and i really like the video. Im glad to see a youtuber using their CPU's to mine properly! Most people dont realize what they are loosing out on by not mining with the parts that they already own. It seems foolish to me to not use the parts you already own to mine, its like walking past money blowing down the street. I understand the dislike of the gpu costs rising, but the costs will stabilize after the hype is over. Just be patient.
It only make sense if you buy the cpu for something else. And add some gpu to mine Eth. When you need the computer at full power just close the mining programs. Perfect way to make profit while not using the computer.
Even in early 2018 the lack of availability to find and purchase higher end components has become VERY difficult in deed! Lets face it... once you can justify a profit margin, especially when it doesn't take away personal time, and all you have to do is watch your profits grow... tons of people will jump on that! Look at how many already have!! It's an easy way to make a bucket today right? And it's happening on a grand scale.
Crypto mining has made gaming a luxury than a hobby
GPUs are more expensive because of crypto but because of crypto, you can earn back the extra cash it costs to buy one with a little mining. Add another GPU and it won't be long before you have earned back the money spent for the entire system. I know this to be true because I'm running seven GTX 1060s that gave me ROI in less than 90 days (you have account for +/- changes in coin values). It's never been as profitable to build a machine as now, the more powerful it is, the more you make in return which makes it more cost effective to build a kick ass system than buy low or midline. In the past I've recycled my old PC after no one picked up from the curb. Now the graphics cards are worth more than when I bought them a year ago. ROIx? Just saying! Great video!!!
The good thing about mining with TR or maybe even a 1600/1700 (8 threads, 16MB L3 cache) is that cpu's are more designed for continous heavy workload meanwhile gpu's for consumers are not, and they got tons of components that can fail from overwork 24/7.
All of the Ryzen CPUs I've worked with have been pleasantly profitable to mine on, especially after Cryptonite V7. I'm currently pulling in up to ~650hs on my Ryzen 2600X! This is quite an achievement considering my dual Xeon server (Haswell) can only fetch ~950hs (v7) / ~1,100hs.
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"Graphics card prices have been spiraling out of control due to the Bitcoin cryptocurrency craze"
2013 called and they want their headline back. No one uses GPUs for Bitcoin anymore.
Quit raising prices on good parts! Don't hype the mining...just let it happen as it happens. I don't need the CPU cost rising as well.
it wont... chill... its only actually cost effective on high core count, high l3 chache
Dont panic like a mad man. It wont effect the average cpu.
No one in their right mind would buy all motherboard and other components to just mine with a threadripper. Trust me, you only mine with a threadripper if you already have it.
lol
Stop whining
What software do you use to make those graphs? Or do you make them yourself by drawing out lines and boxes, etc
Try the LOW POWER MODE too. I want to see how it affects profitability and power consumption.
Xmr-stak also has a low power mode which uses 4mb cache per thread. So you can use only 8 threads and still get about 80-90% of hashrate. This is much more profitable.
If you tech channels don't STOP FEEDING THEM IDEAS I SWEAR!
Lol cpu mining has been known for years...
DarthBloodyVader Just praying it doesn't get popular XD.
Nah dont worrie it wount, its just too expensive, with low return.
I have almost 300 x GPU's mining at my home at the moment. Trust me, at $18 monthly, that is PISS POOR. Not worth the money, time or effort. Just not. I'll stick to purchasing NVIDIA GPU's.
Its just consumers consuming a product. I dont get the hate.
My PC is a potato. I can't even afford that sponsor case of cooler master. But I still enjoy to play San Andres and watch tech videos.
I have a Threadripper with a 1080ti for video editing and was thinking of mining when not using the system. I'll think of it as subsistence farming.. eemm.. mining. I might get some of the cash back I spent on it. Ran some tests and this seems like a reasonable idea and, might also do it on my gaming rig. I will see how it goes.
Rip my future PC gaming endeavors
great -- they should go play outside or do something productive.
Couse of this? Are you not comprehending what he is saying? There is pretty much only 1 CPU that got good profit for mining, and that one is expensive as fuck. And overkill for gaming, so stop crying pls.
Fredrik Norman Well i wouldnt blame them, i think their just scared af of getting cpus at high prices. :DDD
I got my gaming pc yesterday... Rip bruddas
So now cpu prices as well going to sky rocket..
Lugman S No they won't. CPU mining isn't profitable.
Christopher Armour any my dream of building a pc is shattered already by the price hike
CPU MINING IS NOT PROFITABLE THEY ARE NOT GOING UP IN PRICE
So, I have a 1950x w/ 2 x EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrids that is getting built this weekend, can I use all three concurrently? FYI, I’m not a miner and this PC is being built primarily for 3D design + GPU rendering / animation / editing. But I was lucky enough to get those GPUs at MSRP - though it took 5 weeks to fulfill my back order.
IM STILL WAITING FOR RAM PRICES TO FALL SO I UPGRADE MY BUILD
N8DZN I KNOW RIGHT??? 32GB of Ram from Gskill Trident Z RGB at Cas 14 is over $500!!!
James Mastroianni that's fine, my i5 6600k is doing fine but I want upgrade to and ryzen so I could stream
James Mastroianni yeah but ryzen gain more fps when buying a 3200mhz ram
And I have 2133(not sure if that is right)
meanwhile im waiing for cheaper ddr2 so i can upgrade from 4gb to 32gb XD
Just bought bulk cpus at slightly below msrp. Gonna go great with my
30 gtx 1070s
26 1080s
21 1080ti
50 1050tis
43 rx 570s
20 rx580s
Can't wait for the price inflation for maximum profits
I'm doing exactly this with my Ryzen 1700x and xmr-stak. I get around 550H/sec on monero. I turn on the miner overnight or when watching videos and turn it off when I game or do work.
No "pro" miner would ever do CPU mining, hardware costs are too high for the hashrate. No one is going to buy a $3000 threadripper system to make $50/month mining. But if you bought one for work/gaming, then why not mine a little in the background or off hours. People relax.
The problem is that the market isn't making enough memory and GPUs for everyone who wants to buy. Give it 6-12months and things should start to stabilize back to reasonable MSRP.
So basically you are getting a high end cpu for free if you use it to mine when you are away? That's sic
Haha, H500P Ad, Lets ask Steve what he thinks about that case.
H500P objectively sucks.
Yep.
Mining is about ROI. The 1950x earns double when compared to a R7 1700 (overclocked), give or take, but at a much lower price. A good recommendation would be if you are building a rig to use a R7 1700 and add video cards. This way if you decide to sell you rig for some reason (mining not profitable anymore), you can sell the cpu+mb combo for a decent price, all this after you got your ROI for it.
If you plan to mine while your GAMING computer is idling, consider building a Ryzen system because it could turn out to be "a free system" because you get your money back after a while. I have a R5 1600 and I make about 1$ per day while I am not using it. Using it for 1 year it will get me about 300$ (because I am not using it 100% of the time for mining). This means that the CPU+MB combo should be almost payed for from mining after aprox 1 year.
A more safe scenario would be that I would get 0.50 cents per day on average, this means I would make 182.5$ per year from cpu alone. Let's say I plan to keep the system for 3 years (as long as the warranty). This means that I would make 547.5$ per 3 years. This should cover the costs of the system, but power is not included in this (0.1 kW/hour total power draw for CPU+MB). Anyway if you plan to keep the PC on 24/7 it is worth doing it.
For gpu mining, most people lower their tdp output to reduce power consumption whilst having minimal impact on the hashrate. Eg. A 1080 ti underclocked to 70% would use about 175 Watts. Hashing rate would still be decent enough.
everyone seems to say that CPU pricing is going to be infalting too
do you really think that we'll see warehouses filled with expensive motherboards and CPU, making only 2$/day for a 1000$ investment, when they can just buy whatever cheap CPU and put 2 to 3 GPUs on it for the same price whil they'd make 20$/day?
no one would be dumb enough to throw away money at CPUs when you can have a more profitable system for the same price
The true "villains" aren't miners but GPU manufacturers and retailers. The prices can go down if they increase production.
thanks for the video.
by the way..the Electroneum miner does NOT use your cpu/ARM proc.
The coins are pre-mined and are given to someone who has the ETN app ON.
I've been mining Electroneum (cryptonight algo) since November with my 1950x. So far so good.
For the gaming community I hope this takes off, though anyone wanting to buy a TR for something other than mining would end up in the same situation as the current GPU field. That being the case though, I can see setting up server systems with multiple CPU's per board being something to look into. The question is always if it will be profitable enough to pay for the hardware before the price drops out of the bottom.
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If you are interested in running a test on another coin, please get in contact. Your setup looks like a good one and has me intrigued.
Lol, this will never affect CPU prices. Much more profitable to buy a bunch of GPUs, even with as much as GPUs currently cost, and run them all off of one CPU and motherboard, than to buy an entire system's worth of motherboard, RAM, PSU, etc for every $1000 CPU that will only produce $2.50 or so per day anyway. You people are freaking out about nothing. CPU prices and availability are not going to change.
Guys, mining on ThreadRipper won’t raise CPU prices. It’s only going to raise ThreadRipper prices. Other CPU aren’t strong enough for mining.
Good video thumbs up, I can get 620hs on my 1800x. Doesn't really mack senes to mack a dedicated CPU mining rig but if your building a gaming or editing rig and are looking at what CPU to get this is a good idea send that thing to the mines when your not using it.
I think people are kind of mis-understanding your conclusion and think you are trying to say "go buy all the 1950x's now". He's saying if you already own one, then mining MIGHT be a nice way to make some extra money on the side. He is NOT saying go out and buy all the 1950x's as the ROI (return on investment) time is way too long.
You should try undervolting the 1950x as low as it will go at stock speed and see how your profitability changes
The CPU vs GPU goes out the window power wise when you have multiple monitors in one system.. IE mining rigs are more efficient when they have 4-6 GPUs in them. You have a base power usage of CPU/Mobo/Ram/HDD for one system, then it's just powering the GPUs. I'd like to see a video of a 4 GPU system (ala LinusTechTips) vs 4 threadripper systems setup on Monero. Power vs output & ROI calculated.
"To put it in simple terms, I'm basically selling video content" to make a buck, "helping" people out to step into the mining world and advertise AMD products (the CPU to be more exact)
Yes, I know this is just an informative video... It's just for kicks to see how does this AMD product stand against the overly priced GPUs in the mining world.
Your profit will be around 46-47$ month minus the mining fee (and of course, the exchanges fees/rates, then there are taxes)
The ROI for the CPU will be around 16 months+.
But yeah, it's all good, it's informative. It's not just you guys milking the mining topic for views, advertising and so on. Because it makes all the sense in the world to buy a CPU like this, wait almost 2 years to make ROI and mine with it :))))))))
for all the haters out there against Bitcoinmining etc... First of all, enyone is allowed to go buy parts, the companys are making this parts just for that simple thing, so you can buy it and enjoy it.
To be able to make new technilogies you need money, so this may be looking bad, but this will boost "alot" against getting new cpu's/gpu's.
Moust of all of you don't even need a threadripper and have no idea what you are talking about or what you should buy. So before you start thinking of buying the best gpu or cpu in the world, mabe think of what you need first, what you do.
you don't need an Overclockabel cpu or gpu, you have never needed one, think of all the money you could have saved by going with the Non OC version.
The best product out there will never be the best option. wait 1year and it is the worst but 100x better then what you have and can probly buy it for the same price as nuudles.
Now go feel sorry for yourself and, shat da fak ap.
thanks.
if cpu prices start going up... i hate you. miners are already ruining the market with graphics cards.
yeah like you got money for Threadripper haha
this is only for fucking threadripper, and it's not as profitable as gpu mining
no one will buy 1k $ cpu special for mining lol, you forgot that there is also need an expensive motherboard and RAM. GPU more profitable in any case. So relax and don't say stupid things, like you do.
What I've learned from current pricing situation is that pc gamers are just a whining bunch of people nobody cares about.
It's not going to happen.
1- GPU Minining is WAY more efficient and cost friendly to the miners
2- I don't think it's possible to mine with CPU and GPU at the same time (maybe it is, but i think it'll make the system unstable)
3- Crypto currency market is starting to chill, it's not dying, but it's surely slowing down (for now)
Buying a high end system is not just buying a processor, ram and GPU, it needs power, lots of power, and PSUs die sooner if you draw too much from them and it's not predictable. that means they'll have to stop mining to fix that sooner or later. They also may lose a lot of money just by having the system forced to stop.
If your going to tell people to use a nicehash script why not tell them to just use the application itself. There is way less set up for the end user and you get way more options for the miner. Also I currently mine on my r7 1700 and make around an additional $1 per day on top of my gpus with a 3.9 GHz overclock. I would love to see a vid with the effects of overclocking on roi.
Hello, I know my question is off topic, but I would like to know What do you think is the best under 100$ gaming headset
The mining craze won't be permanent. As more and more people start mining, the power world consumption increases and just as the GPU prices increased due to high demand, so will electricity costs will increase, leaving less profit to the miners and in the end, the economy crashes.
For those concerned with the CPU price after watching this: no, it won't happen. Most of the time, CPU mining doesn't worth the effort if one starts from scratch
I do mine Electroneum with CPUs across many dedicated servers and VPS, and I barely got about 700~800 H/s in Cryptonight algorithm. It means I get roughly 12 to 15 ETN per day, and with the current condition of cryptocurrency market, it only generates a 1 USD a day
Yeah, Threadripper has more hashpower (in fact, twice what I got). But considering the ROI time, it would take a lot of time. It's simply not worth it.
That's why GPU mining is more convenient for miners: it doesn't only mine with one specific algorithm, but the miner can choose which coin is more profitable with the hashpower he has by choosing the right algorithm. And with tools like NiceHash, everything is easier. (BTW NiceHash is only for starters, but it's a whole new topic.)
But hey, nice video Eber! I'm curious with Ryzen though 😂
So I have a question... If you use this setup to CPU mine, and you have enough resources to also do editing work... would that not also mean that the same said resources could be leveraged for GPU mining at the same time by adding graphics cards? In essence mining a bunch of both at the same time?
Is mining cost effective on a ryzen processor or one with Vega graphics?
Why are you advertising a product that was featured in the fail section in top cases of 2017?
fail section ?
Chandrakant Pawar yes if you watched top cases of 2017 you will see the CM h500p in the fail section
Money
well, CM has fixed all the problems that H500P had so, it's a good case now
Because it was an unrequited love at first sight.
I have a 2080s and a i9 10900k I want it to work so much to make sure it's going to go right.
Are your profitability calcs done basis 24hours per day? Doesn't seem worth it at all then since the return's not all that high after all?
1950x is a beast but lets say we build 6gpu rig , best value would be a Ryzen 5 1600 , you get a good cooler and solid hashrate at 5-600H/s
You need to rerun the tests on the Intel CPU by disabling HT and oly use the physical cores and limit instances so all hash info fits on the L3 cache.
Where is Chris Pratt?
0.14 $/kWh in the USA?! Here in Germany it's like 0.33 $/kWh, which makes mining way less profitable, but GPU prices are also rising like hell
I have been a gamer for 20 years. And I've never got enough saved to buy the best out there. The prices are higher every year. So yeah, I absolutely do not believe miners made gaming expensive. It was always expensive.
Ankit Panwar Dude a 1080ti is $1200+ instead of $700. I’m pretty sure they’ve made it a bit more expensive. I’ll blame them for making gpus and low end CPUs more expensive but not anything else.
Also look at the prices for "budget" gear. 1050 for 150-200 1050ti for 250ish rx560s for 200-250 sure I guess it depends on your perspective but mining has made building a gaming pc unthinkable right now.
God forbid someone has to stick a previous generation card in their new build, that's just totally unthinkable...
Not even mentioning how Nvidia has been bending over their own fanboys for the last few GPU generations with outrageous price increases(see: AdoredTV)
The memory prices is the biggest reason why the prices went up
DanielRichards644
UNPOSSIBLE!!!
Lit coin, lol
Litcoin is a project waiting to become a real white paper. Let's do this.
I got millions to fund it.. MILLIONS!
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of DOGEcoin. much wow.
mining electroneum on mobile isn't real mining, it's just simulated, there's a fund left over from the ICO that gives you free coins for having the app open. it does absolutely no processing your phone.
Using my gaming PC to mining when I'm not using it. 16 hours a day, after the electricity it will be $ 50-100 month and sufficient for free Spotify Premium and Netflix. Better than buying stuff for only mining and sweating over the BTC to crash. I use AMD 1800X och GTX 1080.
So you can mine and play 4 games at the same time
Very informative video, thank you. Might have to look into that. Even if I don't achieve the same hash rate with my 1700@3.8GHz, it'd take a lot less compute power for the hardware to pay for itself.
He was i formative even if u dont take his advise you be stupid if u didnt tune your specs
Does bandwidth become an issue? I know nothing about mining, just curious. Thanks.
To everyone freaking out about this going to shake up the cpu market, no it isn't. just because it is a little bit profitable to mine with a threadripper does not mean that it e.g. an intel i7-8800k will increase in prise. most cpus are not profitable to mine with, and threadripper is not very good at it either. with a static btc/alt.crypt. price you're looking at an roi of about 4-500 days. For miners it is then better to just buy another gpu a bit overpriced because the roi and setup of many miners is easier with gpus than cpus. atm, there is only one algo thats profitable for cpus, if coins of that algo plumit, then the cpu isnt worth anything. with most gpus you can then just change to another algo.
I'm laughing at the higher wattage usage from the Core i9 CPU. Best thing I've ever seen in my life.
Fewer cores and threads for almost double the energy use. Logic.
Did you optimize the thread count on the Intel cpus to match their level 3 cache as you did on threadripper?
Why are people complaining about CPU prices, people wont be massvuying cpus because you cant have one system with more than two cpus
You should mine Nerva with the Ryzen.
It's way easier too. Just download it and mine with the deamon.
Solo mining only, no pools, no extra mining software.
About Electroneum: It's actually a simulation, it doesn't really max-out your CPU/Smartphone.
With Threadripper's reputation of being good at multitasking, can you do a benchmark video of this PC playing games while mining at the same time or is that even possible?
Did you see any difference in hash rate from using smt cores as opposed to physical cores? Just wondering if they behave any differently or if they're treated just as a logical processor
This is great for people who own TR or are building a workstation, but I don't see miners going out and buying them JUST to mine.
Sir what Cryto Tab Browser is using for Mining is it CPU or GPU?
It will be funny when CPU, RAM, GPU and pretty much any techology-related item prices spikes, and people will be blaming on mining, when the real reason is that silicon is getting more expensive, and with that silicon waffers are getting more and more expensive. I just wanna see everything on fire and people balming one another for anything. I'll just grab my popcorn and watch :)
Why there is no watermark "video sponsored by amd"?
Does ram memory speed also affect the hashrate? Ryzen has the ability to utilize the ram speed to access things faster? Was wondering if that's possible @hardwarecanucks