forget about US, EU, Japan and Singapore are thinking. These countries are thinking best for them. India needs to think what is best for India! What US, EU and Japan want is for India and China to have a war, so they can benefit from it.
@@732anoop China has 14 neighbors China had war with Russia India Vietnam . but now China only has border issues with twoof them（actually only one）.all the disputes settled through negotiations.look at india
@@watercutterlan1401 China has more issues with more countries than the neighbor it has , It has issues with countries such as Philippines and all the ASEAN especially for area in South China Sea where it is taking over other countries economic and maritime zones in sea. It is modern day expansionist power in the world who simply says everything is his .
@@732anoop I mean land borders. the south CHINA SEA is very complicate. Phinlippine China Veitnam Malaysia Indonesia they all have dispute with each other. and if you count Taiwan Taiwan is the greediest one
Because China is smart to let its citizen to explore and learn everythings in other country to equip them with more knowlegdes and improve themself in all feilds.
India and China are NEIGBOURS and NUCLEAR armed.Common sense will dictate that it is in the interest of both countries to have close ties and solve problems through dialogue and compromise. The border problem has been around for years so both parties must have the patience to solve it .A war with each other will weaken both countries and opportunistic powers will then move in to dominate and control them.India has been colonised, exploited and humiliated by Britain for hundreds of years and likewise China was badly mistreated by Japan and the West.So do not let that happen again .Both India and China are ancient civilisations and must show that they have the strength and wisdom to rise above this temporary friction and forge closer ties with each other which can only be good for them. There is really no better way and it is not difficult if there is sufficient goodwill.
China and Russia both compromised and settled border issues. What’s stopping India and China from reaching the same settlement? Chest pounding and inflammatory chanting will not lead to a compromise. It’s a disease in medical terms. A calm demeanor is required for meaningful discussions and progress, in other words, behave like an adult!
24:04 As a Chinese who sometimes reads Chinese news, I assure you that China in general is more than happy to put aside the dispute for another 20 years. Historically the dispute started not because of China and India anyway! Someone else made two different versions of the border lines. The cultural differences also made it really difficulty for the two sides to communicate effectively with each other.
@@Robertsmith001 except Gordon Chang had been predicting China wrong for more than a decade and Kishore had been right about China for more than 2 decades.
@Sam Dz, Is Saudi king elected? Do you know that women are not allowed to drive a vehicle in Saudi? This has only been amended recently. Why hasn't US spread democracy to Saudi Arabia? Of course, NO. That would be dangerous. What if a populist Saudi guy gets elected and kicks out US military base and starts selling oil in Chinese RMB? That would be the end of the US Petro Dollars, the end of USD is the end of US global Hegemony. Saudi is US largest arms export market. Will US put a Dictatorship label on King Saudi? Of course, NO. That would cost Lockheed Martin and Boeing several hundred billions of arms contracts.
For those who criticised Prof Kishore Mahbubani, he used to be a President for UN security council and he is over qualified than anyone of us. He dealt with a lot of diplomats and no surprising he knows China so in deep. He has no advantage to be Pro China and not to forget his ancestor was from India. He wants India to be good.
Congratulations on hosting a thoughtful constructive discussion on a difficult subject. If I may give a suggestion, I think India may benefit by calming down its media. If you look at the official Chinese media, they started off very calm and measured. It was only after the Indian media going full steam ahead accusing and attacking the Chinese side that they started to respond. And even then, it seems to me that they are still relatively calm compared to the Indian side. If both sides stayed calm and not fan the anger of their respective citizens, it would certainly make it easier to settle the dispute through negotiations if negotiation is indeed the preferred method as stated in your video. It should have been quite clear from the beginning that the dispute can't be settled through brute force. So getting the citizens pumped up for a confrontation is clearly not in the interest of India.
That's democracy which is also vulnerable cause its easier to push a subjective agenda .... but it's no regimented totalitarian regimes which control & censor public discourse
@@zenperri3969 what's the understanding u r referring ??? Is there possiblity for hearing the Chinese public opinion other than official views which is essentially pumped up for confrontation with the clear intent of looking for solutions from subjective intrest.... If reality of people opinions are aired there's no need for such prolonged never ending negotiations......
@@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl Nationalism is soaring in India, and your media kept putting more fire to it. There is no check and balance to growing nationalism among Indians because both your government and media want nationalism and use nationalism to serve their own interest, in the end, this would backfire India and hurt Indian interest. On the contrary, Chinese government reasonably calmed down Chinese nationalism before relation between China and India went out of control, the way China deal with India is an excellent example of managing geopolitical crisis. Public opinions do matter, but nationalism should not be the driving force of making key national decisions. Very sadly, India government and Indian media are either too blind to see that, or simply, they don't have Indian national interest in their hearts, their personal interest or elite's interest tops everything else.
India should be use by the USA..because you back at their history. They have been colonised many countries including China..Hong Kong and India too. Have you forgotten how they have treated everyone. They just want to be leader that can control every countries for their benenits only. India and China should work hand in hand for the benefits of both countries...including other countries. You now have choice to benefit your country rather than let the US. bully and manuplate you. They cannot see anyone better than them...so now the US. are trying to stir up and potray China is a bully . So better wake up to benefit your country and your people by supporting China. Have dialogue and some plans wth China. Do not let the US. use you. Once you have no benefits to them...they will just dump you.
1st time ever I liked Indian channel's debate programme.even Indian guest in the programme didn't show any aggressions in debate like other do.indian channels and journalist should promote this type of rational debate should invite rational and respected persons in the programme.
I hv to agree with you on that. Hvg watched other debates on Indian TV, the host n participants are mostly confrontational n aggressive, to the point of being outright rude n uncouth. They were there not to listen n exchange views n ideas, but to impose their pre-conceived, biased opinions on others. They're extremely self-opinionated and think they know everything, they know best. At the end, no one walks away from the 'debate' any wiser. This is in fact ubiquitous in Indian politics where politicians spend more time bashing each other up than sit down, debate n explore ways to help India grow n develop. It's the key reason why India has been left in the dust in its competition with China.
One could not understand why India would side with the US when China is the only country that can assist India to come out of poverty ! WHERE in the world do you see America truly help a developing country ? America has a long history of destroying governments and economies that does not suit their political desires .
China can only export Wuhan Virus to India. India will attract factory to move from China to India, China under CCP will get poorer while India will continue to see her GDP growth for next 20, 30 years.
All the people in any countries in the world does not like to have a WAR. Look at Middle East, no matter how rich your country is, in no time, you become homeless. I believe China and India have a golden opportunities in front of them, to work together, to build their own country. to lift up their people from poverty. Like Mr. Mahbubani said, border line dispute can put aside for now. This issue was there over half of century, they can wait another half of century. Especially after this pandemic, all countries are having economic issues. This is not the time to spend money on defence budget. It is time to spend money on health, education, create jobs. Don't listen to western countries. They want WAR so they can sell you more weapons. Be smart!
Actually China has adopted Buddhism originated from Indian into its civilisation. China is willing to accept anything good for herself even from a foreign country. Why can't India do it as well? Is it because of the ingrained caste system mentality?
All three speakers have very wise and intelligent views that are rooted in historical perspectives, particularly Kishore. Very informative and educational
Interesting. I have never heard d moderator n Nitin, this open minded when discussing China w/ an all Indian participants. Maybe d presence of Kishore force them to be less inflammatory when discussing China. D problem is over d years, Indian government have whipped up Indians nationalism against China to such a high pitch, that no Indian government will survive, if it as so much as entertain swapping any land to reach a permanent settlement w/ China. Perhaps Indian personalities like d moderator, Nitin n others, should tone down their super harsh rhetorics against China n help d government prepare d Indian public to grant d government more room to reach a mutually beneficial settlement.
Problem is that you're a wumao. Every time wumao show up, they start chanting 'Kishore, Kishore' like he's a rockstar. Let me tell you that Kishore is strongly disliked among Indians, because he's a sepoy who has enslaved himself to Chinese, and licks their feet all the time. Chinese can't even pronounce the guy's last name, so they always just go by his first name, like he's their favourite pet dog (which he is). "Oh, my sweet little Kishore"(pats him on the head)
The Host is greatly on a higher level compared to the host of India Today. To the least, Amitabh do respect his guest-speakers, does not distort his guests' message like the other.
In America, the 1st generation chinese and Indian immigrants stay away from each other and generally don't like each other, but the 2nd generation gets along very well. My ethnic Chinese wife and I have many Indian american best friends. I urge the overseas Indian diaspora to see past the geopolitical conflict of the motherland and build bridges through our community abroad. A peaceful future is what we make of it. The overseas diaspora community may be the best chance at building that future.
If only overseas Chinese Americans could help reign in extreme Chinese nationalism (which I believe to be independent from the success and prosperity of China and the Chinese) as well... but I don't think mainland Chinese respect anything Chinese Americans might say. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nitin, who was chest-thumping and flexing Indian power on his own programs and other programs with Indian hawks, is a totally different person here. Here, he's like an ignorant child with nothing substantial to add in this pretty civilized panel discussion.
Because then he was presenting, now he is interviewing. You conform yourself accordingly. Like how I'm sure you're probably a nice person in real life, but like to behave like a prick over the internet, just like here.
Kishore: China fought brutal wars with Japan and Vietnam in the past, but now they are trading with each other big time. 2 other guests: China shows off its power to India, China may be strong but India is not going to back down, if we India can't handle China alone, let's join US. My point: India does not have diplomacy in its dictionary, India is so obsessed with power, India see itself an equal power to China, Russia, and even US. But in reality: US, RUSSIA and China are being 1st tier player, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY and JAPAN are being 2nd tier player. India and the rest of countries are 3rd tier players. All Indians need is a recipe: Meditation
Why won't India join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership as a first step towards more amiable relationships? Surely they can have conditions for joining this partnership and then use trade as a common language towards building a better relationship.
@Charles Lim India fought so hard for independence, I doubt they would allow themselves to be subservient to another country again. After all, they did help to start the Non-Aligned Movement. I truly hope they will think carefully about it and do the right thing for India and Asia.
Thank you Mr Kishore Mahbubani for your great work and contribution to humanity based on truths and facts. Today the world is very challenging with pandemic, problems, trade/Cold War, humans are suffering from hatred, negativity, lies, blame etc... The world needs more positive people like Kishore with courage, honesty, integrity to speak with truths and wisdom for world peace.
Please upgrade quality of audio video. Dont record directly from the video call . Record independently with camera+ proper mic at all ends while video calling. Let the webcam be separate from the actual video that gets uploaded.
as singaporean, Prof kishore reflect my view as well. Neutral and as it is. the west and some indian media has distorted many negative views on China, causing deep division and hamper peaceful co-existence as big neigbour.
You need to re examine your views. Singapore certainly doesn't see the Chinese as benign or an ally much less India. The Indian media hasn't distorted anything, they're merely discussing the issue. China has repeatedly transgressed into Indian territory since long just as they've been doing so in the SCS or against Taiwan, Japan, RoK, etc.
These guys from Singapore always telling India to be defensive and China should always go away with. I am feeling like these guys are from ccp. Funny thing is china is assertive in south china sea by creating new islands and occupying neighbours.
@Sam Dz are you dumb? Singaporean diplomats can't be bought. CIA tried to buy Lee Kuan Yew in the 60s and they failed. Singapore is where it is because of one thing. Stayed true to facts. No feelings no opinions. Facts. Truth. China is more developed than India, truth! GDP per capita is almost double. Every indian citizen that went to china always wondered why their country is not like China already.
India should use tit for tat strategy against China. If they are supporting Pakistan against India then India should also Support Dalai Lama of Tibet. In any case Taiwan should be supported as they are fellow democracy. India has achieved nothing by economic cooperation with China. We have 70 billion dollars of trade deficit. And what is the guarantee that China will not use trade against India tomorrow. All in all India should never trust China. We should make trade and economic pacts with other like minded countries. China should be dealt with in tit for tat manner. In extreme case we can also ally with USA.
Asian countries should work together as neighbors, make Asia strong & peaceful. Don’t be so stupid to fall into westerns trap. No one is better than anyone. The only country that started war in Asia was Japan in WW2
We agree that no matter what contradictions exist between China and India, people on both sides need to use wisdom to solve problems, rather than being easily provoked by others.
@@jayaramansundaramoorthy1248 the Chinese knows but is the west that wants to divide Asia and making Asians do low labour jobs for their western companies ... look at Middle East with oil forever war... Africa with diamonds & natural resources forever poor ... Latin America .... who is messing up with these countries? Obviously the G7 & 5 eyes
If USA is the leader of free world than surely China is the leader of Unfree world. China has raised Kashmir issue twice in UNSC meetings, I think its high time that India and USA raise the Taiwan issue and pass a resolution recognizing it as a seperate country and in next few years raise the Tibet issue.
Chinese culture vs Indian culture: Chinese: you are my neighbor, for respect, I allow you to take one inch of my land. Indian: Your one inch is mine, another one inch is also mine.
Did this guy said no single bullet will be fired? Just a few minutes ago the violent clash has claimed lives of Indian soldiers in the eastern part of ladakh
Fool politicians don't learn from their predecessors mistakes. Bjp & modi berates Nehru for his poor judgement & weak policies towards china. But when modi came in power he made the same mistakes.
Agreement between China and India in 1991 should be respected by both parties.Entire territories acceded to India by King Hari Singh is non negotiable.India should have great trade relationship with China.and both are great civilization should work together in science and technology, medicine,education .
This power differential argument is not sound. Russia is nowhere near equal to United States but it has beaten US in each isolated narrow engagement for past 20 years (Take Syria and Ukraine for example). India doesn't have to be exactly equal to China, it just has to mach or exceed China in the areas where it has interests and I think India is capable of It. Not all of the Chinese power is deployed along India border, similarly not all Chinese capital is deployed in south Asia. If India can match China militarily in its region, it is enough. We don't need to have exact parity with China.
Kishore Mahbubani is most respectable Singapore diplomat , brilliant and wise man. As Singaporean, we are v proud of him for his contribution to Singapore and the world for peace and prosperity. He speaks with facts based on his experiences with world diplomats, leaders, etc with positivity and unbiased views of the world. His speech is always insightful, enlightening and truthful. Respect and salute to Mr Kishore Mahbubani.
I think clarity and well thought out visions and firmness of long range goals along with thinking of India's economic, political and sovereignty and utmost patience to achieve its ultimate goals are need of the hour for India
@swave158 When you seize the disputed regions of Gilgit, Baltiyul, Neelam, Mirpur and Gosthana, did you think that there wasn't going to be a fight swave158? Such is the lust of Xi and Khan, that they seek to sacrifice the locals for the sake of their popularity among the Han and Punjabi people. Soon war will be coming on the Pacific and Afghan sides.
which is ridiculous because a party is there for 5 years and to get elected or save their seat, its focus is always going to be 5 yrs.. double that up with generally low understanding of indian public of international, geo-politics and in general most objective strategic thinking.. VS a govt with no end date; they can afford to think long term and become richer and more powerful by heading a powerful nation.. hence vested interest in making china great
A balanced discussion. Though it portrayed more towards accommodating Chinese interests and giving them larger than life image.... the reality is for now that it is difficult for Indians to take on Chinese head on .... but that does not mean there are no other avenues left. Handling Chinese needs a patient and long term dealings irrespective of the government in power. However this is exactly where we lack... patience and wisdom. Out to win the tactical battle we end up loosing the strategic game. However I still believe we are learning our lessons
swave158 Indians never changed the cartography. We didn’t seize any region . We prevented its unlawful occupation. China wishes to keep it disputed claiming some odd historical facts which no one believes and what is part of its legal warfare. For that matter it’s the Chinese who seized the Tibetan plateau and committed the biggest cartographic aggression otherwise India would had a very peaceful eastern boundary with its Tibetan friends. Sad part was we accepted it as we naively cherished our historical and cultural linkages with China to be more important . No ways course of history can and will be corrected
Why Indian hates China? border dispute, 1967 Sino-Indian war? China has better relationship with Japan, despite the bitter wars over centuries, millions dead and the still unresolved Nanjing massacre. No, it goes deeper in the psyche of the Indian. It's racism. India can't deal with a successful China. It should have been India who shall rise after WW2, with a democracy and freedom . China was devastated in the WW2, and has since risen to be 2nd largest economy in the world. India rather be used as a pawn of imperialism and US hegemony rather than developing together in Eurasia. It's heartbreaking to watch.
Regarding 2 tribes fighting while forest is burning - it's China which set the forest on fire in the first place. It was due to their coverup that COVID19 spread. China is a dictatorship, and not merely some alternate equivalent to the United States, which is at least a democracy.
manofsan maybe that explain why so many Indians suffered during the pandemic just like the Americans... Both are big democratic countries... U are damm smart...
No matter how much you talk, one thing nobody can change is China's long term ambitions to grab more land followed by demographic changes to Hans. They want entire northern sector of Ladakh to secure BRI and later go for Leh. Not just Arunachal, but entire Himalayas on the table too. Whenever dealing with China, take this into account. Also Chinese strategy to fund terrorism in India through Pak and keep J&K Ladakh region destabilize. Indian leadership needs to decide whether they want to take bold decisions or cower behind china's higher temporary gdp numbers.
@@TheYankeetango I had reservations earlier.....but now it is quite clear what they are doing in Tibet and Sinkiang region. Oppressing Uyigurs muslims in one region.....while Changing demographics of Tibet. Does the reports about Uyigurs camps are lies too?
Sam Dz the problem with you is your closed minded thinking. you only wanted to hear what to you think is right. so whats the point of watching talk show
Just like India right now. Only their perspective is allowed, twisted by western worship and influence. India is being used by the white West... Again!! Will be dumped after it has been used to cause as much chaos in the region as possible. Same trick
India and China should learn how to be friends. Problem is , do they have the will. India should not look up for approval from the West and try to appease them.Stop acting like a white man with a dark skin. The West is declining. Like what Prof Kishore once said, India should not be on the losing side again.
This was in JUNE. In Nov., the drift of the discussions seems unuseful. India is handling the conflict well so far and china is unable to so far overwhelm India. The size difference in the economy does not quite play out in the front line. The conscripted chinese army seems good on paper. There is a disconnect between what the experts are pontificating and how the border conflict is being managed. The singapore experts do not have military experience and this limitation is showing.
the broad common interest of china and india far tanscent the boarder issues and politicians and people of both countries shall take a long term view that both countries should work together. in fact the number of conflicts between the two countries are so low during thousands of years and compared with other neighboring countries in history around the world particular in europe, we shall see that the bilateral relationship are really amazingly peaceful during thousands of years and people from both countries should recognize and cherish this friendly tradition and improve upon this!
@Sam Dz Singaporean and their diplomats predicted China and India rise since the 60s. So, he's likely to be right... China and India were the two largest economy until the 1800s. People just have to look at history. Indians calling the chinese uncivilized is like pot calling the kettle black.
The China lovers and haters of US in India always bring up the 5 th fleet of US coming into Indian waters in 71. There is never a conversation where they don’t bring it up at some point.
forget about US, EU, Japan and Singapore are thinking. These countries are thinking best for them. India needs to think what is best for India! What US, EU and Japan want is for India and China to have a war, so they can benefit from it.
Both India and China are both developing countries with huge populations. Wish peace and prosperity for both counties.
@Lily
Prof. Kishore: US is courting India, not because US loves India, but because US wants to use India for its own end. lol
yup...divide and conquror.
The US does the same to its other vassal states, like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, etc.
One day it will be India’s turn if she is strong enough.
@Adam LB Really United snakes just loves invading other countries for there oil , and putting in regime changes!
Of course, we all know that. But China is more dangerous for india...ultimately we don’t wish I’ll for China, but india needs to secure itself....
China and India must learn to live together peacefully since they cannot change the fact that they are geographically neighbors to each other.
we should live together but china would not allow its neighbors to live in peace.
@Texx Mexx China attacked India in Galwan and that was the reaction from India. China broke border agreement and protocols and
@@732anoop China has 14 neighbors China had war with Russia India Vietnam . but now China only has border issues with twoof them（actually only one）.all the disputes settled through negotiations.look at india
@@watercutterlan1401 China has more issues with more countries than the neighbor it has , It has issues with countries such as Philippines and all the ASEAN especially for area in South China Sea where it is taking over other countries economic and maritime zones in sea. It is modern day expansionist power in the world who simply says everything is his .
@@732anoop I mean land borders. the south CHINA SEA is very complicate. Phinlippine China Veitnam Malaysia Indonesia they all have dispute with each other. and if you count Taiwan Taiwan is the greediest one
Kishore is just brilliant.
If he talks against about china he will be otherwise 🙄
@@sandeepkaul2709 He can talk stuff about India, US, EU, not necessarily only associated with China, and he is still brilliant about his views.
He is on the CCP payroll.
wumao always say this about their Kishore
"Good Kishore! Good doggy! Good boy!"
@@manofsan I am sanmao, cheaper.
For India to demonise China is very short sighted.
The two Asian powers should learn to cooperate.
The two countries represent 3md people.
Because China is smart to let its citizen to explore and learn everythings in other country to equip them with more knowlegdes and improve themself in all feilds.
China clearly doesn't want that to happen
But the reverse is fine?
India and China are NEIGBOURS and NUCLEAR armed.Common sense will dictate that it is in the interest of both countries to have close ties and solve problems through dialogue and compromise. The border problem has been around for years so both parties must have the patience to solve it .A war with each other will weaken both countries and opportunistic powers will then move in to dominate and control them.India has been colonised, exploited and humiliated by Britain for hundreds of years and likewise China was badly mistreated by Japan and the West.So do not let that happen again .Both India and China are ancient civilisations and must show that they have the strength and wisdom to rise above this temporary friction and forge closer ties with each other which can only be good for them. There is really no better way and it is not difficult if there is sufficient goodwill.
China and Russia both compromised and settled border issues. What’s stopping India and China from reaching the same settlement? Chest pounding and inflammatory chanting will not lead to a compromise. It’s a disease in medical terms. A calm demeanor is required for meaningful discussions and progress, in other words, behave like an adult!
Asia for Asian. Dont let the Western power to divide and rule our nation.
Japan also said that in 1934 and then it invaded one country after another.
How can we live peacefully side by side,when you choose US against your neighbor
Western powers did not enter our territory. It is the Chinese who did it. Get out and apologize for your miscalculations
The old western trick worked in Asia last century, don’t let it repeat
@Harun rashid the problem is chinese believe you invaded our borders, that is why to slove this issue we need sit&talk as united asia.
24:04 As a Chinese who sometimes reads Chinese news, I assure you that China in general is more than happy to put aside the dispute for another 20 years.
Historically the dispute started not because of China and India anyway! Someone else made two different versions of the border lines. The cultural differences also made it really difficulty for the two sides to communicate effectively with each other.
JT Hu putting this issue aside doesn’t resolve anything... China is expansionist and that is a problem for india and the rest of the world
I am Chinese, Mr. Kitshore's understanding of China is absolutely right
We look at Kitschore the same way you look at Gordon Chang
@@Robertsmith001 except Gordon Chang had been predicting China wrong for more than a decade and Kishore had been right about China for more than 2 decades.
@Sam Dz,
Is Saudi king elected? Do you know that women are not allowed to drive a vehicle in Saudi? This has only been amended recently.
Why hasn't US spread democracy to Saudi Arabia?
Of course, NO. That would be dangerous. What if a populist Saudi guy gets elected and kicks out US military base and starts selling oil in Chinese RMB? That would be the end of the US Petro Dollars, the end of USD is the end of US global Hegemony.
Saudi is US largest arms export market. Will US put a Dictatorship label on King Saudi? Of course, NO. That would cost Lockheed Martin and Boeing several hundred billions of arms contracts.
@@YouCCP2 That's called USA Double Standard. India's befriend a hypocrisy country.
For those who criticised Prof Kishore Mahbubani, he used to be a President for UN security council and he is over qualified than anyone of us. He dealt with a lot of diplomats and no surprising he knows China so in deep. He has no advantage to be Pro China and not to forget his ancestor was from India. He wants India to be good.
Singaporean politician are the wisest. Thank you Lee Kuan Yew for mentoring great minds.
And he is working for CCP it seems
Today US team with India to hammer China, and thirty years later, US team with China to hammer India. That’s Karma. Could we quit from this Karma?
I think Sam dz is paid troller and completely lives in bolleywood movie world hahaha.
This was highly educational for me. Always enjoy listening to people of high intelligence and rational.
Congratulations on hosting a thoughtful constructive discussion on a difficult subject.
If I may give a suggestion, I think India may benefit by calming down its media.
If you look at the official Chinese media, they started off very calm and measured. It was only after the Indian media going full steam ahead accusing and attacking the Chinese side that they started to respond. And even then, it seems to me that they are still relatively calm compared to the Indian side.
If both sides stayed calm and not fan the anger of their respective citizens, it would certainly make it easier to settle the dispute through negotiations if negotiation is indeed the preferred method as stated in your video. It should have been quite clear from the beginning that the dispute can't be settled through brute force. So getting the citizens pumped up for a confrontation is clearly not in the interest of India.
That's democracy which is also vulnerable cause its easier to push a subjective agenda .... but it's no regimented totalitarian regimes which control & censor public discourse
@@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl You don't comment when you don't understand the topic. Period.
@@zenperri3969 what's the understanding u r referring ???
Is there possiblity for hearing the Chinese public opinion other than official views which is essentially pumped up for confrontation with the clear intent of looking for solutions from subjective intrest....
If reality of people opinions are aired there's no need for such prolonged never ending negotiations......
@@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl Nationalism is soaring in India, and your media kept putting more fire to it. There is no check and balance to growing nationalism among Indians because both your government and media want nationalism and use nationalism to serve their own interest, in the end, this would backfire India and hurt Indian interest. On the contrary, Chinese government reasonably calmed down Chinese nationalism before relation between China and India went out of control, the way China deal with India is an excellent example of managing geopolitical crisis.
Public opinions do matter, but nationalism should not be the driving force of making key national decisions. Very sadly, India government and Indian media are either too blind to see that, or simply, they don't have Indian national interest in their hearts, their personal interest or elite's interest tops everything else.
India should be use by the USA..because you back at their history. They have been colonised many countries including China..Hong Kong and India too. Have you forgotten how they have treated everyone. They just want to be leader that can control every countries for their benenits only. India and China should work hand in hand for the benefits of both countries...including other countries. You now have choice to benefit your country rather than let the US. bully and manuplate you. They cannot see anyone better than them...so now the US. are trying to stir up and potray China is a bully . So better wake up to benefit your country and your people by supporting China. Have dialogue and some plans wth China.
Do not let the US. use you. Once you have no benefits to them...they will just dump you.
1st time ever I liked Indian channel's debate programme.even Indian guest in the programme didn't show any aggressions in debate like other do.indian channels and journalist should promote this type of rational debate should invite rational and respected persons in the programme.
India other tv station useless program talk alot shite baseless
I hv to agree with you on that. Hvg watched other debates on Indian TV, the host n participants are mostly confrontational n aggressive, to the point of being outright rude n uncouth. They were there not to listen n exchange views n ideas, but to impose their pre-conceived, biased opinions on others. They're extremely self-opinionated and think they know everything, they know best. At the end, no one walks away from the 'debate' any wiser. This is in fact ubiquitous in Indian politics where politicians spend more time bashing each other up than sit down, debate n explore ways to help India grow n develop. It's the key reason why India has been left in the dust in its competition with China.
Atleast we are having debates unlike China whose state media which becomes the sole custodian of 'public view'.
One could not understand why India would side with the US when China is the only country that can assist India to come out of poverty ! WHERE in the world do you see America truly help a developing country ? America has a long history of destroying governments and economies that does not suit their political desires .
China can only export Wuhan Virus to India. India will attract factory to move from China to India, China under CCP will get poorer while India will continue to see her GDP growth for next 20, 30 years.
@@erickm8799 you are hopeless
pity, Dear kishore,the other indians needs 10 years to understand what you said.
All the people in any countries in the world does not like to have a WAR. Look at Middle East, no matter how rich your country is, in no time, you become homeless. I believe China and India have a golden opportunities in front of them, to work together, to build their own country. to lift up their people from poverty. Like Mr. Mahbubani said, border line dispute can put aside for now. This issue was there over half of century, they can wait another half of century. Especially after this pandemic, all countries are having economic issues. This is not the time to spend money on defence budget. It is time to spend money on health, education, create jobs. Don't listen to western countries. They want WAR so they can sell you more weapons. Be smart!
When thrust how can be silent
China's belligerent nature is
India spent billions to buy Western arms rather than using it to combat Covit-19.
If the dispute can be resolved, it could have been resolved years ago. Be realistic
Great discussion. It raises several questions. Thank you StratNews Global
glad you enjoyed it manish
india should listen kishore more whats good for india.
Thank you, Mahbunai! The stupidity of this senseless fight instead of cooperation should shame all the adults involved into rethink their life.
Actually China has adopted Buddhism originated from Indian into its civilisation. China is willing to accept anything good for herself even from a foreign country. Why can't India do it as well? Is it because of the ingrained caste system mentality?
Isn't it high time to reopen the Tibet issue even if it is in a subtle way?
India has to keep hammering out on all Ts ... Tibet, Taiwan and Trade
@truth seeker dono h india k dushman h
Haha I think Sam Dz is god father of the world.he can do anything not in real world in bolleywood movies.
Seeing Rajamohan sir for the first time in any talk..What a phenomenal columnist he is
All three speakers have very wise and intelligent views that are rooted in historical perspectives, particularly Kishore. Very informative and educational
I completely agree with what Kishore’s points at 38:00!!! He is the first person who I have heard realizing this point!!!
Interesting. I have never heard d moderator n Nitin, this open minded when discussing China w/ an all Indian participants. Maybe d presence of Kishore force them to be less inflammatory when discussing China. D problem is over d years, Indian government have whipped up Indians nationalism against China to such a high pitch, that no Indian government will survive, if it as so much as entertain swapping any land to reach a permanent settlement w/ China. Perhaps Indian personalities like d moderator, Nitin n others, should tone down their super harsh rhetorics against China n help d government prepare d Indian public to grant d government more room to reach a mutually beneficial settlement.
Problem is that you're a wumao. Every time wumao show up, they start chanting 'Kishore, Kishore' like he's a rockstar. Let me tell you that Kishore is strongly disliked among Indians, because he's a sepoy who has enslaved himself to Chinese, and licks their feet all the time. Chinese can't even pronounce the guy's last name, so they always just go by his first name, like he's their favourite pet dog (which he is).
"Oh, my sweet little Kishore"(pats him on the head)
A challenge is also an opportunity
Kishore is trying so hard to let Indians know the reality, however, seems like Indians still get lost in their own illusion.
The Host is greatly on a higher level compared to the host of India Today. To the least, Amitabh do respect his guest-speakers, does not distort his guests' message like the other.
May peace and prosperity for both countries!
In America, the 1st generation chinese and Indian immigrants stay away from each other and generally don't like each other, but the 2nd generation gets along very well. My ethnic Chinese wife and I have many Indian american best friends. I urge the overseas Indian diaspora to see past the geopolitical conflict of the motherland and build bridges through our community abroad. A peaceful future is what we make of it. The overseas diaspora community may be the best chance at building that future.
If only overseas Chinese Americans could help reign in extreme Chinese nationalism (which I believe to be independent from the success and prosperity of China and the Chinese) as well... but I don't think mainland Chinese respect anything Chinese Americans might say. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nitin, who was chest-thumping and flexing Indian power on his own programs and other programs with Indian hawks, is a totally different person here. Here, he's like an ignorant child with nothing substantial to add in this pretty civilized panel discussion.
Because then he was presenting, now he is interviewing. You conform yourself accordingly. Like how I'm sure you're probably a nice person in real life, but like to behave like a prick over the internet, just like here.
It would be awesome if you could have C Raja as a regular guest. Nitin Gokhale and C Raja in one video is amazing
sure mehul. we will feature all of them more often!
C Raja doesn't speak in full sentences, he must have Asperger's syndrome or something
He doesn't give meaningful explanations of his positions
i agree indians lack strategic thinking and vision. every country take advantage of geopolictical situation but india showcase indifference.
Kishore: China fought brutal wars with Japan and Vietnam in the past, but now they are trading with each other big time.
2 other guests: China shows off its power to India, China may be strong but India is not going to back down, if we India can't handle China alone, let's join US.
My point: India does not have diplomacy in its dictionary, India is so obsessed with power, India see itself an equal power to China, Russia, and even US. But in reality: US, RUSSIA and China are being 1st tier player, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY and JAPAN are being 2nd tier player. India and the rest of countries are 3rd tier players. All Indians need is a recipe: Meditation
Why won't India join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership as a first step towards more amiable relationships? Surely they can have conditions for joining this partnership and then use trade as a common language towards building a better relationship.
@Charles Lim India fought so hard for independence, I doubt they would allow themselves to be subservient to another country again. After all, they did help to start the Non-Aligned Movement. I truly hope they will think carefully about it and do the right thing for India and Asia.
Modi/BJP is protecting India oligarchs' market dominion. That is why India refused to join RCEP at the last minute.
Thank you Mr Kishore Mahbubani for your great work and contribution to humanity based on truths and facts. Today the world is very challenging with pandemic, problems, trade/Cold War, humans are suffering from hatred, negativity, lies, blame etc... The world needs more positive people like Kishore with courage, honesty, integrity to speak with truths and wisdom for world peace.
Please upgrade quality of audio video. Dont record directly from the video call . Record independently with camera+ proper mic at all ends while video calling. Let the webcam be separate from the actual video that gets uploaded.
as singaporean, Prof kishore reflect my view as well. Neutral and as it is. the west and some indian media has distorted many negative views on China, causing deep division and hamper peaceful co-existence as big neigbour.
China does not respect others.
You need to re examine your views. Singapore certainly doesn't see the Chinese as benign or an ally much less India. The Indian media hasn't distorted anything, they're merely discussing the issue. China has repeatedly transgressed into Indian territory since long just as they've been doing so in the SCS or against Taiwan, Japan, RoK, etc.
These guys from Singapore always telling India to be defensive and China should always go away with. I am feeling like these guys are from ccp. Funny thing is china is assertive in south china sea by creating new islands and occupying neighbours.
@Sam Dz are you dumb? Singaporean diplomats can't be bought. CIA tried to buy Lee Kuan Yew in the 60s and they failed. Singapore is where it is because of one thing. Stayed true to facts. No feelings no opinions. Facts. Truth. China is more developed than India, truth! GDP per capita is almost double. Every indian citizen that went to china always wondered why their country is not like China already.
Thank you. Much balance discussion than what most of U.S. think tanks presentations now.
India should use tit for tat strategy against China. If they are supporting Pakistan against India then India should also Support Dalai Lama of Tibet. In any case Taiwan should be supported as they are fellow democracy. India has achieved nothing by economic cooperation with China. We have 70 billion dollars of trade deficit. And what is the guarantee that China will not use trade against India tomorrow. All in all India should never trust China. We should make trade and economic pacts with other like minded countries. China should be dealt with in tit for tat manner. In extreme case we can also ally with USA.
Asian countries should work together as neighbors, make Asia strong & peaceful. Don’t be so stupid to fall into westerns trap. No one is better than anyone. The only country that started war in Asia was Japan in WW2
Please tell this to the Chinese
We agree that no matter what contradictions exist between China and India, people on both sides need to use wisdom to solve problems, rather than being easily provoked by others.
@@jayaramansundaramoorthy1248 the Chinese knows but is the west that wants to divide Asia and making Asians do low labour jobs for their western companies ... look at Middle East with oil forever war... Africa with diamonds & natural resources forever poor ... Latin America .... who is messing up with these countries? Obviously the G7 & 5 eyes
Excellent discussion
Really enjoyed the discussion. Rational, truthful and constructive!
Extraordinary challenges are meant to test extraordinary capabilities ( INDIA )
IMHO as long as China-Pakistan relationship is on a high ground, it's a challenge to India-China bonding.
If USA is the leader of free world than surely China is the leader of Unfree world.
China has raised Kashmir issue twice in UNSC meetings, I think its high time that India and USA raise the Taiwan issue and pass a resolution recognizing it as a seperate country and in next few years raise the Tibet issue.
To be honest, India is under bigger threat than the United States from the rise of China,we shouldn’t forget this.
@@LinusWelt We have a traitor congress govt in the past. Now we have patriotic govt.
BRI surrounds India, not America. China knows its the Asian century because India will rise during it.
What threat?
Nonsense
Chinese culture vs Indian culture:
Chinese: you are my neighbor, for respect, I allow you to take one inch of my land.
Indian: Your one inch is mine, another one inch is also mine.
Did this guy said no single bullet will be fired? Just a few minutes ago the violent clash has claimed lives of Indian soldiers in the eastern part of ladakh
Kishore , Forget about advising india, they are too egoistic to be strategic.
Indeed... Egoistic w emotional.
Fool politicians don't learn from their predecessors mistakes. Bjp & modi berates Nehru for his poor judgement & weak policies towards china. But when modi came in power he made the same mistakes.
Agreement between China and India in 1991 should be respected by both parties.Entire territories acceded to India by King Hari Singh is non negotiable.India should have great trade relationship with China.and both are great civilization should work together in science and technology, medicine,education .
I hope twitter can be like this everday
This power differential argument is not sound. Russia is nowhere near equal to United States but it has beaten US in each isolated narrow engagement for past 20 years (Take Syria and Ukraine for example). India doesn't have to be exactly equal to China, it just has to mach or exceed China in the areas where it has interests and I think India is capable of It. Not all of the Chinese power is deployed along India border, similarly not all Chinese capital is deployed in south Asia. If India can match China militarily in its region, it is enough. We don't need to have exact parity with China.
Great point!
then India will be callapsed like USSR.
this is asia's time... great wall of china, the mongol empire & japanese samurai warrior.
The seventy year rule of congress has landed us into this kind of situation.
What a self defeating discussions?
Watching this episode only for C Rajamohan
exactly. Kishor is an ass
Kishore Mahbubani is most respectable Singapore diplomat , brilliant and wise man. As Singaporean, we are v proud of him for his contribution to Singapore and the world for peace and prosperity. He speaks with facts based on his experiences with world diplomats, leaders, etc with positivity and unbiased views of the world. His speech is always insightful, enlightening and truthful. Respect and salute to Mr Kishore Mahbubani.
people with brain of the size of a green bean will not be able to comprehend KISHORE'S view.
Lovely treat from Amitabh..Raja Mohan rocks seconded by Nitin. madhubani also in wonderful.
I think clarity and well thought out visions and firmness of long range goals along with thinking of India's economic, political and sovereignty and utmost patience to achieve its ultimate goals are need of the hour for India
It depends on depth and width of thinking insight of vision
@swave158 When you seize the disputed regions of Gilgit, Baltiyul, Neelam, Mirpur and Gosthana, did you think that there wasn't going to be a fight swave158? Such is the lust of Xi and Khan, that they seek to sacrifice the locals for the sake of their popularity among the Han and Punjabi people. Soon war will be coming on the Pacific and Afghan sides.
which is ridiculous because a party is there for 5 years and to get elected or save their seat, its focus is always going to be 5 yrs.. double that up with generally low understanding of indian public of international, geo-politics and in general most objective strategic thinking..
VS a govt with no end date; they can afford to think long term and become richer and more powerful by heading a powerful nation.. hence vested interest in making china great
@swave158 which lobby r u from.. spewing lies
A balanced discussion. Though it portrayed more towards accommodating Chinese interests and giving them larger than life image.... the reality is for now that it is difficult for Indians to take on Chinese head on .... but that does not mean there are no other avenues left. Handling Chinese needs a patient and long term dealings irrespective of the government in power. However this is exactly where we lack... patience and wisdom. Out to win the tactical battle we end up loosing the strategic game. However I still believe we are learning our lessons
swave158 Indians never changed the cartography. We didn’t seize any region . We prevented its unlawful occupation. China wishes to keep it disputed claiming some odd historical facts which no one believes and what is part of its legal warfare. For that matter it’s the Chinese who seized the Tibetan plateau and committed the biggest cartographic aggression otherwise India would had a very peaceful eastern boundary with its Tibetan friends. Sad part was we accepted it as we naively cherished our historical and cultural linkages with China to be more important . No ways course of history can and will be corrected
wise people
Why Indian hates China? border dispute, 1967 Sino-Indian war? China has better relationship with Japan, despite the bitter wars over centuries, millions dead and the still unresolved Nanjing massacre. No, it goes deeper in the psyche of the Indian. It's racism. India can't deal with a successful China. It should have been India who shall rise after WW2, with a democracy and freedom . China was devastated in the WW2, and has since risen to be 2nd largest economy in the world. India rather be used as a pawn of imperialism and US hegemony rather than developing together in Eurasia. It's heartbreaking to watch.
Very good discussion.
Interesting discussion spoilt by bad audio 😔
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Regarding 2 tribes fighting while forest is burning - it's China which set the forest on fire in the first place. It was due to their coverup that COVID19 spread. China is a dictatorship, and not merely some alternate equivalent to the United States, which is at least a democracy.
manofsan maybe that explain why so many Indians suffered during the pandemic just like the Americans... Both are big democratic countries... U are damm smart...
No matter how much you talk, one thing nobody can change is China's long term ambitions to grab more land followed by demographic changes to Hans.
They want entire northern sector of Ladakh to secure BRI and later go for Leh. Not just Arunachal, but entire Himalayas on the table too. Whenever dealing with China, take this into account.
Also Chinese strategy to fund terrorism in India through Pak and keep J&K Ladakh region destabilize. Indian leadership needs to decide whether they want to take bold decisions or cower behind china's higher temporary gdp numbers.
This is your presumption and such is.the root of distrust n conflict.
@@TheYankeetango I had reservations earlier.....but now it is quite clear what they are doing in Tibet and Sinkiang region. Oppressing Uyigurs muslims in one region.....while Changing demographics of Tibet.
Does the reports about Uyigurs camps are lies too?
@@MastiKaHathi they are distorted news with some of the facts being true but portrayed inadvertently for China.
Make them in India take this opportunity
Lost respect on this channel after seeing this episode. All justifying China's mistake.
Sam Dz the problem with you is your closed minded thinking. you only wanted to hear what to you think is right. so whats the point of watching talk show
Just like India right now. Only their perspective is allowed, twisted by western worship and influence. India is being used by the white West... Again!! Will be dumped after it has been used to cause as much chaos in the region as possible. Same trick
Allison Graham also said in a debate with Kishore that never short on the US. He thinks US will win the competition against China
Very insightful amitabh
India and China should learn how to be friends. Problem is , do they have the will. India should not look up for approval from the West and try to appease them.Stop acting like a white man with a dark skin. The West is declining. Like what Prof Kishore once said, India should not be on the losing side again.
This was in JUNE. In Nov., the drift of the discussions seems unuseful. India is handling the conflict well so far and china is unable to so far overwhelm India. The size difference in the economy does not quite play out in the front line. The conscripted chinese army seems good on paper. There is a disconnect between what the experts are pontificating and how the border conflict is being managed. The singapore experts do not have military experience and this limitation is showing.
Arunachal need border trade with tibet, China
completely unfocussed talk
One of the best commentary. Very realistic. I wish listening.
Very poor sound. Either stop this prob or stop broadcasting.
Soooo many commercials... Dial that down a bit.
Professor Mahbubani and C. Raja Mohan.. interesting panel..
interesting discussion as well mohanasakthi
the broad common interest of china and india far tanscent the boarder issues and politicians and people of both countries shall take a long term view that both countries should work together. in fact the number of conflicts between the two countries are so low during thousands of years and compared with other neighboring countries in history around the world particular in europe, we shall see that the bilateral relationship are really amazingly peaceful during thousands of years and people from both countries should recognize and cherish this friendly tradition and improve upon this!
Singapore Professor Kishore do not have India accent as compared to the others 3 Indian. Their India accents very strong.
Prof. Mahbubani has Singapore accent. He came from a very humble background. A deep thinker.
None of the blokes will speak why and what Rahul signed with Xi Jinping .
Indian population is not stupid....
Why??
The US is a resident Asian power in Alaska, Guam with the security treaty with Japan and other ASEAN nations. The US is going nowhere.
We will have to wait and see if Professor Kishores predictions come true because the situation has changed since his book was released.
@Sam Dz Singaporean and their diplomats predicted China and India rise since the 60s. So, he's likely to be right... China and India were the two largest economy until the 1800s. People just have to look at history.
Indians calling the chinese uncivilized is like pot calling the kettle black.
The China lovers and haters of US in India always bring up the 5 th fleet of US coming into Indian waters in 71.
There is never a conversation where they don’t bring it up at some point.
India should first try to brak investment deal with China
Than after a mini trade deal and if it will be beneficial for both than go for the RCEP !
Accept China as a bigger power and accept all their dictats, these experts are suggesting the same
Mahabubani and Rajamohan have both lost it pathetic … it’s a tragedy to bring such spent bullets… shame
China is a devil. It cannot be trusted.
Kishore and his kids.
Mehboobani is totally missing China's expansion goals
Kishore Mahbubani is CCP mouthpiece and betrayer.
You want him to lie?
These men are of such low intelligence; less than high school kids debate.
Nitin ji asa vichar kAra ki Thor Dalai Lama jar long March geven nighale tar????