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I always liked the old work trucks. They never got saved like thier classic car and truck counterparts, these work trucks were used up and then put out the pasture. Nobody ever thought to save them, and now they are rare sight to find.
These trucks built our country, built lives and provided money for people raising families. Without them we would never have what we have now
Back in 1974 a friend worked for one of the local Chevy dealerships and the GM parts runner out of Detroit used a 1969 GMC Astro with a tall deck 427 . It had twin chrome stacks and really sounded good. He told me that at that time the people running parts from the factory had their choice of trucks to use and could order it anyway they wanted and he preferred the gas 427 because it was quicker than an 871 Allison diesel ( Detroit Diesel ) and since he wasn't paying for the fuel, GM was, the cost difference didn't matter.
That 427 goodwrench would run again for sure. I would love to have it for a back up big block. Long live big blocks.
That thing hauled 40'+ long single wide manufactured homes to private properties and trailer parks all over the New Hampshire area. I don't think it saw any campgrounds as those are much smaller tow behind seasonal campers in those, not single wides.
Yeah, Steve blew it on that comment!
@@Cougracer67 Yeah, we all knew what he meant though...
The "Not for Sitting" placard was a way to get around installing the seatbelts that would have been required if it was a "seat."
NO FAT CHICKS
About 30 yes ago a tall deck 427 was considered a boat anchor or scrap because of the lack of aftermarket intakes. But these days there is a substantial big market for tall decks... ESPECIALLY to build HUGE stroker kit engines. Very much different than 30 yrs ago
Back in 1984 , I had a pair of tall deck "marine" 427s.
Couldn't GIVE em away !
Back in the 90s Weiand Team G 10.2" intakes were available and not expensive people just thought it was easier to use a cheap readily available 454.
This is a 1980 model, not a 1975, and it's a GMC, not a Chevrolet. It's also a 70 series, not a 60 as the model code of T70 in the SPID indicates a GMC 70 Series. That's why, "When get you get the SPID, we're glad you did, and when we get the VIN, we win:"
T for GMC Division, 1 for 4x2, 7 for 19,200# to 32,800# Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, D for 97.5" BBC Conventional Cab, B for GM produced 366 CID V8 gasoline engine with four-barrel, A for 1980 model year, V for Pontiac, MI (GMC facility) assembly and the rest is the production sequence. The Pontiac Truck and Bus (originally called GMC Truck and Coach Division) was located at 2100 South Opdyke Road and opened in 1973 and closed in 2009. The plant has since been demolished and was called "Pontiac East".
That fuel tank was intended for a 1980 Ford HD truck, because "E0HT" is the engineering prefix for a 1980 Ford HD truck. However, the tank is stamped "Kysor Division" which made heavy duty truck parts. As the SPID shows a 50-gallon tank as original equipment, my guess is Kysor made the same tank for GM and Ford and they are basically interchangeable.
The transmission is likely a Clark 285V five speed as abbreviated on the SPID. The "23" shown in chalk/grease pencil on the firewall matches the code 23 Medium Blue exterior paint shown on the SPID, so that's likely what that means. The SPID also shows an abbreviated listing which is probably "12 CFM Bendix-Westinghouse air compressor", which can be seen on the engine. The rear axle is an Eaton E17221 unit as shown on the SPID.
Fred Wetherby's Mobile Home Transport appears to still be in business and the street location is the same as his last name, so he must have been a prominent citizen in town at the time and maybe even today.
You know your stuff, my friend
I have family up there and I’m pretty sure I passed that street off Route 10 in Winchester. Not uncommon in that neck of the woods for private streets to be named after owners especially if they are the only property owner on the street.
@@georgejsalomskasiii3048 Sure thing thanks.
@@LI-FLKayakFisherman That is true. My friend had commercial property in Columbus MS and when the town asked him what it should be named he said with his southern drawl, "Dunno how about Limbo Road? It is out in the middle of Limbo." The name stuck and it is Limbo Road today.
I love it when real knowledgeable people show up and debunk Steve's half knowledge.
Im glad your using the RUclips platform. Pissed me off when they canceled the junkyard gold show. Lifetime viewer here.
Saw many of these PULLERS back in the day here in Florida . At one time I believe there were more mobile homes than houses here . That's all changed now with the last land parcels being gobbled up by cheaply built high priced homes . This truck should be saved as people would love to see it at auto and truck shows. Bet you most people would not know what it was . Thanks Steve , another great video !
You can still see these old rigs throughout rural America, especially the south where mobile homes are still preferred due to their affordability. But yeah, our family had a mobile home business down in Lee County, Florida back in the 70s and had a couple of these towing rigs as well.
@@TrashcanGarage Hi , I'm in Volusia and traveled around a lot in the late sixties , early seventies being a state surveyor and was over your way a lot . I must of seen y'all's trucks because back in them days it was not uncommon to see rigs pulling mobile homes . Only thing I see today once in a while are rigs pulling modular homes split in half with clear plastic covering the open side . These two or three pieces get bolted together at the lot of the new owner .
@@daynadiggle8169 - The lot on North Tamiami Trail, just south of 78 is still vacant all these years later.
I liked it when they displayed the SPID as you are calling it (for not knowing the slang for it I just referred to it as the options label). You knew at least what it started its life with without pulling out a plastic $1200.00 box to ask. I remember the old chevy engines you could tell (with 99% accuracy) that the heads had not been off or the engine had been out if it still had the lock tabs on the exhaust manifolds. No-one put them back on or they fell apart getting them off. We're not talking about concours here. Sometimes little things like that meant the difference between paying $100.00 instead of $300.00.
Steve you have the best content on RUclips right now
back in the old street racing days, dudes would pass these off with Hank the Crank stroker assemblies as 396's. If you could fit a finger between the bottom of the cylinder head and the top of the water pump, you assumed it was 496 plus, a common stroker 454 at the time.
That should be rebuilt for service again. Pretty specialized and I believe mobile home movement is going to pick up soon.
Yes, indeed!
Moving older mobile homes from parks that are raising lot rents sky-high is a valuable service that I would like to see much more widely available, at an affordable price.
Here in Morgan Co Tennessee I know a ton of folks looking to move house trailers and there's a shortage of people and companies to do it.
Pulled an set up many mobile homes with this setup had much needed 3 fuel tanks an custom 4 in exhaust , what a beast when the front tires would rise an sounded like a pulling truck RIP Bill Ourm
Steve hit most of the points spot on but doesn’t math so good. When the owner upgraded from the 366 to the 427, they gained 61 extra cubes. Close enough, I guess. I still really enjoy his videos. Nothing else out there like that. My wife sees me watching them and asks “are you related to that guy?” I said “I don’t think so, but would trade him for a few that I am related to!”
That is so wild seeing that, I have known Fred and Rick for many many years. I even worked on a custom build for Rick years ago. Fred has a thing for Plum Crazy Purple so we used to paint the company trucks with that color
Great find and info on BBC tall decks. The 366 crank and rods should be the same as the 427 ones, since both have same stroke just different bore sizes.
Kiekhaefer (Mercury / Chevy) used the 427 tall blocks to make offshore race and Nascar race motors also. Stroked them with 4.250 cranks (welded up stock and reground) and 6.405 rods (the only thing special made). Everything else in the motor was off the shelf Chevy even though the aluminum intake was a limited run. The best 109cc heads, pistons, down to which gaskets that would work right out of Chevy's inventory. Then anything that breathed was sent off to Crane (the cam company) to be ported and polished back when they used to do that sort of thing. The Kiekhaefer 482ci.
Who knew a mobile home hauler could be so interesting!?! Thanks Steve - I don’t think I’ve seen so much info on the tall deck vs low deck big blocks anywhere else...
Hi Steve, Yes the 427 Chevrolet truck engine does have s taller deck height than a 427 Chevrolet car engine. The Goodwrench engine in the truck is a Targetmaster "over the GM parts counter" engine in regards to GMs Target Marketing Program. The original truck 366 engine was probably not available in the program. The Ford fuel tank may have been factory installed, due to the fact that the Ford Motor Company produces parts for other trucks, such as International Harvester and GMC. The center occupant seat, it states "not for sitting" International Harvester had the same center seat on some of their trucks. The water tank on the Mobile Home tractor is to add extra weight over the drive wheels. You see, not all mobile homes are delivered to mobile home parks, many are delivered to the side of a mountain up a steep dirt road out in the sticks. Please reply. Dave...
Wow such a cool old truck! I’d love to find one of these someday in a bit more complete condition
TD 366/427 came with oval port heads, they had smaller valves and sodium filled exhaust however they can be perted out and given larger valves and run as well as a performance 396/402/427/454.
Steve, you have an incredible wealth of automotive knowledge and information. Great presentation as well!
I’ve got a rare truck myself 70 Chevy C 7427 tall deck with a factory fuller 10 speed it air brakes and tandem rears Flatbed right now currently making a rollback out of it this truck is a blast to drive enjoy it very much
Steve,.. you're saving people $ with your knowledge!! Well done sir!! ✌️ from Iowa!!
Thanks 👍
@Jory Aherns Greeting my Great Grandma was born in Exira Iowa . In the very early 1900’s she told me on her farm. They would find arrowheads. And some times the Indians would come to there Farmhouse. They didn’t speak English they just wanted a meal and they would leave. I grew up in San Diego. But I always enjoyed those stories.👍
@@Daniel-fd3wp And i used to live in San Diego!! Small world!!
Your enunciating cracks me up (edit: specifically, the way you clarify that it's Bernardston, not Berniston, like the captions suggest)
I know haha! The way he says the word "else" is like "eltse" with a "t".
He nervy little movements like when he taps and snaps things is hysterical too!
@@UberLummox Yeah, I should've specified that I was talking about the intro, Ber-Nards-Ton lol. I wonder if he does that for the captions or what. I'm weird and often use captions, and the auto generated ones are rarely accurate lol.
i had a couple of grain trucks on the farm with 427s, and i thinh the the way they went through gas that tank on the back was not for ballast , but just to make to to the next service station
Knight Rider Historians showed the SPID on their 1984 GMC General. It was on the visor (no glovebox in a semi) and there was not one, not two, but four stickers to cover all the options on that truck.
We used to have Fire Department tournaments with stubby trucks like this with giant engines that race down a track drop off fireman who climb up ladders alot of fun to watch!
Thanks Steve! Wow, I learned a lot about the 427 truck block! We had one of these in a flat-bed used for hauling sod around the Flathead valley in western Montana in the early eighties! We could carry eight pallets of heavy sod and a Princeton Piggyback forklift on the back, and this engine had some power and torque! It had no problem getting these loads up and down those hills! It had the same 5 speed and split rear. Great truck and drivetrain! Great video!
Ya found an old shanty shaker, at least that's what I've always known them as.
Haha great name! I think they're called trailer toters or totes, but maybe that's a New England thing.
Even though its a re run great to see Steve in action! I hope your doing well, Merry Christmas!
What a fantastic channel ur passion and broad range and detailed knowledge blows me away plus you seem a very down to earth kinda guy catching up up on old content and looking forward to knew content 🙂👍
That’s a cool place l can not believe all the cool things you find in that place!
Good information. I have the 427 truck motor in my 1985 GMC C7000 pickup w/ 5 speed Clark “rock crusher”, 14” heavy duty clutch, and Eaton 2 speed rear end and always learning what I can.
I drove a 1973 GMC grain truck while in High School working for a grain farmer, and also would help another guy who had 1970 Chevy. The GMC had a 366, while the Chevy had a 427 with chrome valve covers. Both had plenty of power for hauling 400-500 bushels of grain. Both drove super nice with power steering and a 5 speed trans and a two speed axle you never had a power problem. A few of them came with diesels and some even had tilt hoods. The 1973 and up GMC/Chevy were the trucks to have and would make all the neighbors with Ford's, Dodge, and International jealous. Built like a rock.
G’day from Montreal Canada 🇨🇦
Excellent channel, very informative and easy to understand. Great job,Steve.
Man I remember seeing and liking those monsters in the 70s! They used them for almost everything back then! Like you said that monster engine would make a great hot rod!
Love your videos and info Steve. I have lived in a mobile home most all my life but never lived in one in a camp ground. No offense taken just got a laugh out of it.
Love the plumbing fittings on the heater hose.
Noticed that myself.😁
Factory GM
Purpose built work vehicles can be very interesting. They were built with functionality in mind and it's cool to see when an owner adds things on to make the vehicle suit his needs over just the generic model. Keep bringing us the great content Steve, always look forward to it.
I must say I am glad to see more trucks similar to my c70 being brought to light by knowledgeable people like yourself! Great video!
I have the same cab and chassis sitting in my yard with a livestock rack with a hoist. Mine is only a 350/2barrel . Same 5 speed/2 speed rear end. Mine has hauled a lot of cattle, and loads of grain, but needs a new home. 1976 was a long time ago, and it is really starting to show
Honestly I would want one just like that, it's really cool
Have a 76 chevy 65 with 68000 original miles. 427 with 5× 2 trans and rear. A beast to drive and haul with.
The trucks usually have "big ovals" but have smaller valves. Peanuts are on pickups and rv 454s
Exactly
Hi Steve, i once tore down a 427 tall deck truck engine and it had factory large oval port heads with a matching tall deck large oval port intake manifold. So I don’t believe that they all had peanut ports.
Are you sure your memory isn't tricking you?!
Pictures or fibs
😉
I also had a 427 tall deck with the normal size oval port heads, it came out of a 69 or '70 dump truck with 200K miles on it. Bored it .030 over polished the crank, and did a valve job and it was ready to go again.
Everyone and their brother has tried to make power with these and without a second mortgage and a good machine shop, they
@@samholdsworth420 I’m positive….but I don’t have pics from back then…..soooo it looks like I have to go with fibs
I hauled for a propane company in the early ‘00s and we had some ‘95 and ‘98 GMC 6500 and I know some of them had the 427 and the 5spd trans 2spd rear, though ours ran on propane.
Don't they call those totes or trailer totes? Well I totes want one! Ever since one backed into my Uncle's '69 Polara.
Good info steve, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
The 366t uses a 3.935 bore and a 3.760 stroke the 427t uses a 4.000 bore and a 4.250 stroke GM used the small bore compared to a normal big block bore for more head gasket sealing area and the taller deck for more coolant capacity. I work on these trucks everyday I just finished putting a floor pan in 1 and a lot of people don't know this but the floor pans is different in the medium duty trucks versus the pickup trucks the biggest difference would be the cab supports. I just used pickup truck cab supports because you can buy those new and just modified them a little. On the 1986 c50 I was working on it's cab supports was angled from the cab to the cab mounts. The rear cab mounts is a lot easier they pretty much just have spacers to get the extra height. Something else I've noticed the wiring harness is different in the medium duty trucks also if you look on the firewall where the wiring harness goes into the fuse panel all the wires bolt to the fuse panel individually I don't know why Chevrolet did that but always thought that was weird. If anyone is working on one of these trucks or trying to restore one or just trying to get one back onto the road hit me up on Facebook my name is Daniel Johnson I live in Sweetwater Tennessee and I will be more than happy to show you some photos of what it takes to put a floor pan in one of these trucks or if you have some questions about these trucks you were free to ask.
Hello Daniel Johnson, THANKS for the excellent additional information. Your note that the cab mounts on HD truck applications are taller hits me as a "why didn't I know that" fact. But I totally get that. I wish I had a time machine, the BEST info on these videos comes in the day AFTER I post them, provided by folks like YOU who work on them / design them / sell-sold them. I wish I had your insights BEFORE I made the video. Anyhoo, THANKS AGAIN for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
My farmer buddy had me modify the 427 in his farm truck. Better heads, a Performer RPM intake with spacers, cam, an MSD distributor with an adjustable sleeve to work with the tall deck and some ceramic coated headers. It runs great believe it or not!!!!
We called them house trailers. Mobile home was the polite name
Drivers I knew who drove them called the “ shack haulers “ .
Steve very interesting,you sure know your stuff!
Thank you Steve
Awesome episode
Back in the 90s, my dad needed a new engine for his 80 GMC C30. He looked into a cheap rebuilt tall deck 427 like this. Problem was it didn’t have an intake manifold and the distributor had a governor. Their were spacers available to use a car intake, but a buying a compatible distributor would negate the good deal of the tall deck. He ended up buying a rebuilt standard low deck 454.
You can use a standard HEI or points distributors in the tall deck engines, they just don't have much clearance underneath. The wider HEI distributors almost come in contact with the rear intake runners, but you can double up the gasket on the dist. to make sure it clears. Also, the governor was really just in the carburetors, it was operated by the distributor, but it didn't affect dist. operation.
i to was 20 in 1985 and the automobile world was a farce! 😄
The first 366 truck engines (1966? I think) had a two barrel carb on them. I don't think very many of them were made. I used to haul asphalt back in 1970 and one of our trucks was set up that way. Never saw another one like it. Had a 5and2 transmission.
The neat thing I remember about these trucks was there mobility in tight situations. Reason for the short wheelbase. And the hitch was hydraulic could move from side to side
The cabs are nearly identical to to the "light trucks", but firewalls are not the same at all. The engine relief is a lot bigger on these firewalls, the transmission tunnel is a bit different, the pedal assembly and brackets are all different, the steering columns were a different design and mounted at different angles, etc... But, if you're just looking for some sheet metal, the rest of the cab and the doors are all the same, just a different rear window, like you said.
The cars that are in front and behind the mobile home Tower are also called escorters and the escorter that's running the tall pole to measure Heights under the bridge is known as a high Pole
I used a tall deck 427 in a 30 series Chevy rollback when the 454 gave up and I can tell you what a difference that motor made was a torque monster!
The floors are slightly different.
The pickups had a hump under the seat to clear the side saddle gas tanks.
The big trucks had flat floors.
You could modify it to work though.
I was gonna say that Goodwrench is a replacement engine, as if Steve wouldn't have known that.
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As usual .You're the BEST!!!!
Thanks again!
With the low compression and the extra rings, the old Chevy truck engines are perfect for a turbo or supercharger project. Everything is already forged and four bolt. I've thought of doing this very thing before with an old C-80 corn truck engine.
I drove a 73 C65 Chevy tilt cab delivering LP gas for many years it had a 366 running on LP gas. With a 2500 gallon tank it was a pretty good load, the 366 handled it well with gobs of torque.
Didn't read all the comments. To clarify, light duty trucks came with standard low deck blocks, and the medium duty trucks like this one had the tall deck 366 or 427. I always breezed past them in junkyards, not knowing the tall deck was used on the 572. The junkyard i used to work at had the remnants of a dodge motorhome with a 413 until crusher time came, the forklift ripped the wood framed tin skinned body off and the chassis went for scrap
Great video, learned alot from this one
Looks like the original 366 might have been replaced with that 427 Goodwrench engine which are GM replacement parts item.
That's what I was thinking, because I've seen that Goodwrench sticker on reman engines from back then.
I wonder when those were available until?
(I'll go Google it I was just typing out what I was thinking)
Yes, he actually said that in the video.😎
Did anybody else notice what the rear axle ratio is, from the glove box sticker? 6.50:1 - that's SIX-FITY!!!
Wow that place has everything, thumbs 👍 up
Great channel Steve!
Glad you enjoy it!
Good motor for a big 70s impala cruiser.
reminds me of my 413 in my 71 winnebago -its a 413 industrial ,everythings different except the block than the 413's used in cars etc ,weird looking waterpump etc as well i believe its a high deck intake
A friend had a old b model mack with a 413 gas. A cool rig.
I was born in Pittsfield, and can’t imagine hauling a mobile home on the Mass Pike in that area. Yikes, no wonder that 366 gave up the ghost.
Cool stuff!!! But I really want to see those huge v6's from the 50's!!!
I have an '86 70 series out back with a 427 and 5spd/ 2 spd rear. 5.85:1 rear so it goes nowhere fast lol. Interesting is the stainless tubular exhaust manifolds on mine
Needs some long rear end gears
Some weight reduction
And some twin turbos
They really do have factory power curves that are like a gas engine trying to be diesel. Your's just needs a pro charger to wake it up.
Another difference between the car and truck big blocks was that the truck had timing gears rather than timing chain and sprockets like the car.
yep and it was only a two-gear set with no idlers
@@67L-88 reverse grind cam ?
I am not a chevy guy but that would make a pretty cool rat rod, toy hauler, etc. I'd probably out a diesel in it though.
They would make a great toy hauler with a diesel swap of your choice. I would put a DT466 or a Duramax with a Allison or a manual behind it. A square body pulling square body show trucks.
A 366/427 uses a stock length, normal HEI distributor, no sleeve is required. The cast iron intakes are cast low in the rear, unlike many aftermarket tall deck intakes.
On earlier engines that ran a points type distributor with a governor, the oil pump drive was "D" shaped, not the regular slotted drive.
These engines of this era used oval ports, not peanut. When 2 ton trucks started using TBI, then peanut ports were used.
Nicknamed a toter!
Tow trucks had big blocks and were RADIO dispatched and the first truck on the scene got the tow.
I was waiting to for the “tall deck” to get called out!
What an awesome machine!
Never seen a square body with a small rear window. Wow.
It would look great on a C10 chassis with the stepside bed - you would have no end of people asking about the small rear window!
that motor can be made into a monster same as any other the parts all fit but the intake . all you have to do is by the intake spacers and every bbc intake will bolt on .
Steve well done again. That's a very cool short wheel base truck. I've never seen raised white letter Dunlop tires on a large dually
There were also white stripe tires available for heavy duty trucks back in the 70's .
I think that style truck rig is called a "Toter" or more properly a mobile home toter.
I think you're right. Or maybe even a "tote" as well.
I am what is commonly known in some circles as first.
Well played sir!! 🤣
A circle has no beginning.
You get a Cookie
427 tall decks is all i run in my squarebody pickup trucks . lots better gas mileage than a small block and 454 's too
What kinda mileage?
Drag racers used to seek out the tall deck blocks!
Cool old truck, would be great to see it working again. I could be wrong, but I think Ford used a long stroke version of the 427 FE for their heavy duty truck engines in the late 60's and early 70's.
i think they went as high as 543 cid? not sure exactly what they shared in common with the FE series, but i know in the pickup trucks Ford used a "1" as the last digit of displacement (391 instead of 390, etc) to designate a forged crank application.
@@albertgaspar627 In addition the Ford 391etc. had a larger crank snout to run front mounted crank driven pumps, etc. The big Ford was 534 cid, totally different from the FE series.
Those Ford truck engines were 477 & 534 CID, maybe also a 501. They were not FE's.
@@Cougracer67 Thanks, I vaguely remember reading about them because racers back before "chinese cranks by mail" hunted the 391FT for its forged crank and then machined it down for FE builds.
Goes away to explainin why every now an then a truck or bus sounded so fkn tuff.
Cool old truck 👍
I worked for a mobile home mover back in the 80s we had an old Ford 600 L-cab , don't remember what engine it had but, it sure drank a lot of gas🇺🇲
Worked on a Ford water truck in oregon a couple years ago…
Ran on propane….
It wouldn’t make it thru a day of work without having to refill tanks lol
Thanks
Fantastic content!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
lovethose big rigs
Always cool info.
Thanks for watching!