Why keep changin managers for their style then expect them to.revert to type n sack them?Rinse, repeat, Amorim must stick to his style and get ADAPTABLE players
And we've really only lost 3 or 4 of those games to silly individual error. Direct corners, forest scoring straight in the middle of goal, Licha "marking" a man twice his size and build, midfield missing 5 yard passes and giving the ball away. Im not sure what else Ruben is supposed to do there, i stick with the manager, i've seen his system burning the midnight oil and its a big payoff when all said and done.
@@SoftExo50% of goals conceded from set pieces. Its something you can work on in training and improve on. You’ve got experienced defenders making silly mistakes. Amorim needs to focus on not losing games first and then build from there.
@1972dsrai ppl shud realise if we go down we have a serious serious issue, the cut off onnthe prem is £100mil, it's £35mil in the championshipthwt excess £65mil needs to be gone, then there s the limit on club loss and debt, we have £800mil thereabouts, how do we solve that? Parachute payments of £30mil won't put a dent in that...bankruptcy becomes very real if u research it, we cannot get relegated with the debt and wages we hold
Players need to adapt or move on. I get Flex wants Ruben to gain some security with some wins but this approach will make the ownership think about signing players more and selling (i hope)
@@Raybo78 Thanks for bringing this up if we go down we're more likely to go into administration and be stuck there than anything else. But I would be shocked if we sign anyone in January you can already see them taking drastic measures just to try to avoid what feels like an inevitable points deduction for next season.
"Too good to go down" as a West Ham fan those words haunt me. Believe me United are not too good to go down. They are an awful team, all you need is one or two of the teams below you to get some momentum and then it will become tricky. Remember West Ham went down with 42 points and a far more talented squad than united have now!
That was then, will not ever happen again, Utd were ahead of everyone else in the early 90's in terms of generating money, Liverpool had a board who were stuck in the old days and got left behind
The trouble is over the last 12 years and in particular the last 5 or so, any player they buy wants 50% more wages than theyre worth. No player this summer will want to join Man Utd if Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea etc are in for them except if Utd agree to pay them way more than those other clubs are offering. Thats why they either buy a player for way too much salary or else buy a player like nobody else wants like Zirkzee, Hojlund etc.
Been thinking about that as we approach January and the summer transfer window. We are in the gutter, players with quality who want to achieve things most likely will steer clear of us… except for the big Ps, and that keeps us in a bad state 😢
Exactly don’t really care if we end up 16th. Just make it there somehow n make some massive moves over the summer talking lots of outs n equal amount of ins. Over to you barrada.
MU has a large enough fan base worldwide the PL won’t possibly let it get relegated. Imagine the loss in global viewership, merchandise sales and sponsorship money the PL will suffer if MU is not in it. MU will 1000000% stay up because of business reasons regardless of performance on the pitch. MU fans don’t need to worry about relegation.
Literally when Kg and Flex were arguing yesterday i kept shouting 'use the youth' in certain positions and freeze certain players out..... then i see the title of the show.
No matter what ,Amorim must stick with his back 3 and make it clear its his way or the highway. However ,at this point in time ,he should consider using a 3--4--1--2 formation . Use Amad on the right as rightwinger and Antony as a Leftwinger and then upfront play Hojlund and Zirkzee with Bruno behind them and then Ugarte and perhaps Collyer or Gore in central midfield . And then a back 3 of De Ligt ,Maguire and Mazraoui .
Yeh I do think it should be Amad and Antony at wing back for the time being. But I think Eriksen (unless he's off in Jan) could be ok playing behind Rasmus in one of the 10s (and Bruno in the other 10, who could at times play deeper to add another body in cm). Not ideal, but i dont know why Amorim hasn't tried that and instead plays Eriksen in cm.
It took local lads, youth, academy players of the past to lead United to dominant eras, youth is United, youth is the DNA the babes, the 92, with mangers who taught those impressionable young minds what they needed to do for them. Now it's got to be Amorims turn. If the old heads can't play the system, drop them all and teach the up and coming. The hungry, the wanting to play, the start up of their careers. Youngsters learn, seniors are stuck in their ways. Play the Youth. With half a season left theres Nothing to lose now. United need an injection of new players with no money, boom use the whole academy.
He won't put the responsibility on the youth, it's not their job to learn this system under the pressure of must win PL games. It won't benefit the youth & it won't benefit the first team player's who have to convince the manager that they're capable of staying at the club. Amorim is gonna do it his way & that's using, rotating & assessing the senior squad player's.
@johnmichaelson9173 Every game is a must win from the beginning to the end of the season. It shouldn't matter what situation you're in. Also, under the United Badge, the pressure is always on. The youth of previous generations got thrown into the deep end, into title winning teams, with instructions to win the league. That's heavy responsibility and pressure taken on. Survival is the objective this time, and in a short career, the sooner the youngsters take responsibility, the better. In comparison to winning, survival should be easy winning a game here and there all whilst the youth are learning from Amorim. The senior can play, maybe a senior backline defending the youth. But United needs a whole new outfield full of fresh talent. If INEOS can't buy it, use the assets you have in the academy.
The issue that we have is that our transfer windows prior to this one have been absolutely horrendous. I went through the last 3 summers we had before this one and its a horror show. 2021 we got Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo and Heaton. 2022. we got Antony, Casemiro, Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen. 2023 we got Hojlund, Mount, Onana, Bayindir and Evans. Our best signings 3 years in a row were 30+ year old free transfers. Heaton, Eriksen (you can maybe debate Martinez) and Evans. And people wonder how have we ended up here. Its a miracle we finished last season in 8th already. All the stats pointed out that we should have been around 13-14th. Now we are just here.
Since the Glazers came in Utd have consistently overpaid for players and given them too much too soon for too long. You’ve got so many average players on well over £100k pw. Diaz at Liverpool for example is on £50k pw in comparison. It’s boosted by bonuses and incentives based on achieving certain targets.
@@1972dsrai Indeed and its a problem that perpetuates itself. Because new players and their agents know that we're paying bums big money obviously they're not going to settle for peanuts. And its the same for transfer fees as well. Its the one thing that got a bit better last summer with INEOS but clubs used to take the piss out of us every summer and we just paid stupid fees for garbage.
it's funny how things change. I remember quite a few supporters were saying we were going to win the league after the 2021 summer transfer window! Very few people back then said it was a bad window. I also don't remember anyone at the time complaining about the Casemiro signing. And some (e,g Sam at United People's TV) were even saying that Antony was a 'generational talent'!
5:18 ... liverpool fan here ..... the players WON'T CARE!! they will be sold and they will move to another club and continue to be paid 10's - 100's of thousands per week! they wont care if they get you relegated KG .. but if that helps you sleep better at night then keep on thinking it
There are probably no clauses in their contracts if they get relegated meaning the club has to keep paying them their full salaries. It could ask them to take pay cuts or impose them which would be a breach and they could end up being able to move for free or very little.
You can see the narrative is shifting and Amorims lack of innovation with this lifeless team is the problem. The media would much prefer to blame the manager instead of Ineos.
Jim is British. Even if he detonates a bomb at old Trafford he can't be balmed. Had jim been French there would be protests. So a British can destroy United with no consequence but a non British would probably face death penalty. Bias on steroids. It's our fault practically for supporting a foreign club as it looks like.
A few points that I can speak on with specificity. Flek, I initially disagreed big time with your recent takes, but when you actually break it down and articulate the adjustments that you want to see, it's sage and wise. We don't (and definitely shouldn't) abandon the plans and principles. But yeah we can still look to tweak our approach, be it personnel, or ammended instructions within the structure of what we're working towards. And I also agree with both of you on your idea of blooding some of the youth immediately. Honestly a little surprised Amorim hasn't tapped into that traditional resource yet, considering every manager has done to great effect. Moyes, Januzaj. Van Gaal, Rashford. Mourinho, mcsauce and Axel. Eth, Mainoo and Gnashers. Ok fine, I'll concede that the success has been to varying degrees, but every single one of those introductions gave the team/squad a boost. Not up for debate. Factual. I proper understand flex's stance now. Amorim needs to stick to his guns, but he also needs to show some flexibility, relative to our current situation.
I know the cool thing now is to attack our players, but remember when Chelsea were transitioning from Lampard to Tuchel, they left a 4 at the back system and went to Tuchels 3? Chelsea fell down the table, and we were laughing at them, now we are at that stage. The problem is we are telling players who have never seen a 3 at the back system in their life to be good at it instantly. Most of these players are good, we are just cussing them out for not being able to change tactical mentality MID SEASON, when Tuchels tactics and most managers spend a year at least to implement their tactics. We need to calm down
Happy New Year Flex, KG and Owen!. God only knows what 2025 has in store for MUFC...all i can say is Viva Amorim!!! We must keep the faith and keep fighting.
Why would we be bring young kids with good talent onto this atmosphere with this group of clowns? Don't ruin them before they even start their careers. With a group of good veteran players, yes, a couple kids can come in and be guided by the others but kids can't come on the pitch with this pitiful crew as they will ruin them! This is a stupid suggestion. I'm surprised that United fans would even think of such a thing.
Zirkzee potentially world class striker but not prepared to bust a gut for the club showed those signs to the fan base that turn against him against Newcastle. Attitude has to change from him if he wants to survive at the club.
Players like Collyer aren’t just the legs that we need, we’ve forgotten that they have that fearlessness and intensity also and right now we need some fire up the arses of the other players in games. Collyer has had a few promising games already and worse ways he will improve more than Casemiro. Casemiro and Eriksen Can’t go up levels but the kids could. Garnacho has dropped but initially was fire, which at least right now that type of fire can bring us up the table to safety. The main Midfielders must be Ugarte, Mainoo, Collyer, Amad and Bruno (for now) Maza centre back, sharing with Yoro, Amad RWB, and try Amas to sub in for Dalot in games and see. Rasmus and Zirkzee need to improve or bring on chido who is better than Wheatley I think.
So, here's a question for you: if You're all so sure these players are crap and will be all replaced over time what need is there for them to learn Amorim's system? Surely for the time being he can do whatever it takes to get points on the board? When Arteta first joined we played 5 at the back because he knew we weren't good enough to go 433 - didn't make us any less capable of doing so later though...
Absolutely brainless fella. United managers have been “adjusting” to these players for 10 years. That’s not how modern tip football works. Get a clue 😂
amorim already having to deal with some crazy one of a kind utd situation. if it's not lineups being leaked, or a club sale, or what to do with Ronaldo/rashford/pogba/Sancho. it's just one drama after the other, your club is collapsing. amorim has nothing to lose, the kids should be getting a look in. the senior players are already shite, it's not gonna matter if you lose another game trying out some youngsters to see what they can offer.
You lot are a problem. Panicking without giving patience and time to a new regime to work. Things don’t change overnight. Reactionary overreaction flip flop channel that is too high or low without knowing any context, zero research or football knowledge. Listening to these guys is like getting your medical advice from uncle John from facebook
it shows that INEOS are not the great reformers that they think they are. Amorim is a good coach, but to get him halfway through the season, when there are virtually no players in the squad who can play his system, is ludicrous, unless there is an agreement that he can play to the players strengths, until the summer, when there can be a clear out and new players bought. SJR is as bad as the Glazers; until we have them out, we will never be the team we should be. We need the debt paid off and to be back in the black.
You guys are a diagrace with this relegation talk. No stomach to suffer for even 5 games. Support your team through this rough period dont act all defeatist. Cmon guys
The manager is picking player's based on fitness, nothing freaked Amorim out more than the amount of injuries suffered under ETH. He's proactive in stopping that & him picking Zirkzee & not Mainoo was because of that. He didn't think Mainoo was fit enough to start the Newcastle game. Utd aren't gonna get relegated but a shit load of loses could see Amorim loose his job & that's the concern.
Flex, you don't have to fall on your sword. People are coming up with all kinds of suggestions. Best we just stick with this manager or we end up with a rinse and re-rinse with this squad another year or two.
Nah, INEOS have done nothing they've just kept messing up with mistake and mistake. And as for the young players it's too volatile to bring them into this. Look at what's happening to Garnacho, Hojlund and even Zirkzee one bad performance from Chido or Kone or Amass then the crowd and fans will be calling for their head. There is no answer to this
Y’all DDG love comes from years of saves not how he was when he left! He was just as shit as Onana if not worse. Making a couple point blank saves in Italy don’t mean anything
Will we just stop with this nonsense of players not being ready? Not ready for what exactly? The shit show we witness on the pitch week in week out? Try the person in the position. You never know what will materialise. We have our 18's ripping the youth league to shreds season after season and we keep relying on senior players who cannot put the ball in the back of the net. Let it make sense. When the class of 99 or whatever were brought into the first team by Ferguson was anyone talking about them being too young or not ready. I get so pissed when I hear those comments. I mean look at Dalot struggling on the lft handside because he is right footed. I mean surely Harry Amass can at least put a decent cross in on his left foot. Come on. Let's stop this
The biggest flip flop on here is KG. As soon as we have bad results...he is like, there is nothing better...why change the system...go back to the way it was...he shows no real depth when thinking about things...just get the results so he can sing a revenge song for expressions. its shallow self centered thinking...its crazy. The thumbnail of this was "Play the youth" and the bashing was centered around manutd spending 600m...but guess what, the whole discussion with flex was about signing new players. Its madness 🤣
@ Selling Rashford for starters, then as many as possible after that. Maybe a loan to buy kinda thing, something, anyway they can, but it has to be these top quality players and not injury prone ones
@@emir4ofabj397 loads of clubs, especially in the premier league. If Man City could they would, Pep would turn him into a machine scoring 25 goals plus EVERY season with the amount of chances created
Last 11 games for Utd are a real danger if they still need points. Only Leicester away, Wolves and West Ham are home are winnable imo. Arsenal, Forest, City, Newcastle, Brentford, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Aston Villa are all losses on current form. Getting around only 10 pts in the last 3rd of the season screams danger.
fast note : 343 formation depend on a superline of midfielders and i see man utd got a good fast front line ( antony amad garnacho and zee ) and not bad backline ( dalot yoro martinez ) and this backline which is not good but not bad is depending on midfilders so try to pick the superline midfilders !
More genuine than real.... your talking foo foo. Emotional Damage.... who hurt you FLEX, you obviously can't handle the emotional roller coaster that is UNITED RIGHT NOW. RUBEN IS UNTOUCHABLE, Rashy is gone, Maguire, Shaw, Malacia, Eriksen, Casemiro, Lindeloff, these manz r gone, they not here next season, r they going to play to their maximum for Amorim, Nah. But Anorim has to use them, them team is just about a team. We need these youngster's to be picked out of the Reserves & just like the class of 92, your Ckub needs your, youth, tenacity, guile & desire to Win every tackle, every header. AMORIM is going to make mistake because he hasn't got a choice. Amorim has to balance the team for the season. Bring the youth through. We've got some youngster's who are on fire right now. Boo the veterans, if they can't handle the Amorim's way, let the young guns free. Obi Martin & Wheatley. Seko kona is needed in our midfield. We need a sprinkle of 28 olds experienced World Class player's. Tevez here, vidic their & Kobbie bang in the middle. Amorim is having to play Bruno who makes the team risky
Don't think Liverpool will take their foot off the gas, if you know Premier league then there's no rivalry like united and Liverpool these two clubs the English football, so be ready for another 7 nil and I'm a die hard united ❤ all the way
Totally agree with those backing Amorim and sticking to his style. But we are in deep financial trouble, this squad is dead and we have no where to go.
If we imagine that there’s a dark cloud over MUFC then let’s blame that dark cloud, we’ll get somewhere… MUFC is a poisoned chalice and any poison chalice or in city’s case (playing at a SUPER HIGH LEVEL) it’s inevitable that life brings you back down to earth. We’ve had our time and the club has disrespected itself in everything that it’s doing and been doing since they took over (GRAPING the club). Every dog has its day and THEY (the owners) aren’t acting on behalf of the lifeblood of the club which is THE FANS.. owe as BIG as we are the FALL is equally as hard #RELEGATIONrebootPLEASE OR #FANboycottingGAMESandMERCH (👈🏾 highly unlikely) It’s the only way for MUFC to Do right by its own soul #YAnited 🔴⚪️⚫️⚽️❤️
I will only keep De Ligt, Mazraoui, Yoro, Martinez, Mainoo, Ugarte and Amad - either as starters or squad members. The rest are available for sale at any reasonable price. Considering FFP, I hope we can do some smart business by looking at those whose contracts are coming to an end soon + free transfers + swap deals. Also, promote some hungry academy players to be part of the 1st team squad. It can be done, but it needs a competent transfer guru to pull this off. All eyes on INEOS now.
The storm is coming its called the academy its always rescued this club our success was built on youth history doesn't lie relegation is a fear i witness the last time one of most existing young team emerged from old second division to promotion as champions history something repeats its self keep the faith
I agree with trying some youngsters. Can it really be that much worse if we play Amass or Collyer or Kukonki!? Transfers I think have to be of players that know the system. Players from teams like Atalanta and Inter, even Palace and Wolves are the ones that need to be considered. We can’t risk buying players and they can’t adapt to the system
Happy new year guys, KG, u are asking us the manager should change what, the fans can’t tell you exactly what but u can not keep on playing like this is the point bro. It is insanity to continue this way
Why are fan cam channels arguing with themselves about Will INEOS sack Amorin. No reputable outlet has said this? And you’re using it as a stick to beat INEOS with. Why keep repeating this argument when no one has raised it?
32 points was more than enough last season. Thats 10 points from like half the season they need. Suggesting relegation is just stupid. Theres no difference finishing 10th or 14th 15th 16th. Play the kids.
I think if we get knocked out of the cup. then Ruben can work in training and we will be better, season is a write off so it's about staying above relegation and maybe jammyness to win europa.
Liverpool fan, no banter but my god..... Parachute not opening....Im crying. Ive heard MU fans comaplain "we'' get relegated and it'll be better" thats an extra 3 years to rebuilding to a prem challenge. Ive also heard manutd fans compare this to liverpools dark age, its MUCH worse, MUCH worse. I love hating on UTD but even this is becoming a little sad. Question: i still fear the game on Sunday cause something something derby, form goes out the window BUT lets say we hit you for 6, IF the players leave 100% on the field i can live with that BUT if MANu players cant get up for this game are they truely dead
The fact that he is unable to get any kind of tune out of these players points to a stubborn nature. You're setting yourself up for disappointment by thinking he'll be able to deliver once he has his own players. If he is that stubborn and one dimensional that he will play with his system regardless of the players available, then he is no different from Ange is he?
How can anyone say they would want DDG back considering how poor he was 😂 Sure you can say Onana is not your type of keeper and should have got someone else, but to keep DDG esp in this system with a manager that wants control, when DDG was such a liability is just crazy !
we will beat the drop lol.. we don’t play liverpool every week .. Sunday, they will just give us a light 2 n give us the ball to stat pad our possession n xG stats since we love those so much 😂
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Why keep changin managers for their style then expect them to.revert to type n sack them?Rinse, repeat, Amorim must stick to his style and get ADAPTABLE players
And we've really only lost 3 or 4 of those games to silly individual error. Direct corners, forest scoring straight in the middle of goal, Licha "marking" a man twice his size and build, midfield missing 5 yard passes and giving the ball away. Im not sure what else Ruben is supposed to do there, i stick with the manager, i've seen his system burning the midnight oil and its a big payoff when all said and done.
@@SoftExo50% of goals conceded from set pieces. Its something you can work on in training and improve on. You’ve got experienced defenders making silly mistakes. Amorim needs to focus on not losing games first and then build from there.
@1972dsrai ppl shud realise if we go down we have a serious serious issue, the cut off onnthe prem is £100mil, it's £35mil in the championshipthwt excess £65mil needs to be gone, then there s the limit on club loss and debt, we have £800mil thereabouts, how do we solve that? Parachute payments of £30mil won't put a dent in that...bankruptcy becomes very real if u research it, we cannot get relegated with the debt and wages we hold
Players need to adapt or move on. I get Flex wants Ruben to gain some security with some wins but this approach will make the ownership think about signing players more and selling (i hope)
@@Raybo78 Thanks for bringing this up if we go down we're more likely to go into administration and be stuck there than anything else. But I would be shocked if we sign anyone in January you can already see them taking drastic measures just to try to avoid what feels like an inevitable points deduction for next season.
"Too good to go down" as a West Ham fan those words haunt me. Believe me United are not too good to go down. They are an awful team, all you need is one or two of the teams below you to get some momentum and then it will become tricky. Remember West Ham went down with 42 points and a far more talented squad than united have now!
True, however it's over 20 years since someone went down with over 40 points
United do not have any fight in them, have no chance if they get drawn in
Amen
We are not too good to go down, we are awful, to be honest, I fully believe we could,
Flex is such a flip flopper that he’s even too scared to stick by his opinion. Guy is so weak.
Sir alex went through hell before he became the goat. Being weathered comes with a price but makes you better
Tell that to Moyes, Van Gaal and 10 Haag!
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@@maxpowers111 I hear ya but they traded their philosophy for short term results. That doesn't last over time. Ruben stays true to his style
It’s not the 90s anymore
@@obi2349 pretty sure sir Alex was the gaffer in the 2000s as well. Won some trophies other clubs still haven't tasted
That was then, will not ever happen again, Utd were ahead of everyone else in the early 90's in terms of generating money, Liverpool had a board who were stuck in the old days and got left behind
“United won’t get relegated”. My heart filled with so much pride reading that 😩
I completely get what you feel Flex
Next week tune change after we beat Liverpool...😂🤣
Predictable fans
Flex is an arsenal fan
The trouble is over the last 12 years and in particular the last 5 or so, any player they buy wants 50% more wages than theyre worth.
No player this summer will want to join Man Utd if Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea etc are in for them except if Utd agree to pay them way more than those other clubs are offering.
Thats why they either buy a player for way too much salary or else buy a player like nobody else wants like Zirkzee, Hojlund etc.
Been thinking about that as we approach January and the summer transfer window. We are in the gutter, players with quality who want to achieve things most likely will steer clear of us… except for the big Ps, and that keeps us in a bad state 😢
Like Salah or palmer? Mane? All signed by average clubs for average wages.
Wtf? @@FranklinMid
KG probably wishes he supports Richmond now😅
Trust the process. All we need is to stay up. Reset for next season
Exactly don’t really care if we end up 16th. Just make it there somehow n make some massive moves over the summer talking lots of outs n equal amount of ins. Over to you barrada.
Man, I don’t like the sad KG. I miss reckless KG. What has this club done to us 😂😂😂
MU has a large enough fan base worldwide the PL won’t possibly let it get relegated. Imagine the loss in global viewership, merchandise sales and sponsorship money the PL will suffer if MU is not in it. MU will 1000000% stay up because of business reasons regardless of performance on the pitch. MU fans don’t need to worry about relegation.
Literally when Kg and Flex were arguing yesterday i kept shouting 'use the youth' in certain positions and freeze certain players out..... then i see the title of the show.
Youth won’t fix this lol, Carrington is amazing but that won’t be enough
You think losing every game 5:0 would benefit anyone?
No matter what ,Amorim must stick with his back 3 and make it clear its his way or the highway.
However ,at this point in time ,he should consider using a 3--4--1--2 formation . Use Amad on the right as rightwinger and Antony as a Leftwinger and then upfront play Hojlund and Zirkzee with Bruno behind them and then Ugarte and perhaps Collyer or Gore in central midfield . And then a back 3 of De Ligt ,Maguire and Mazraoui .
Yeh I do think it should be Amad and Antony at wing back for the time being. But I think Eriksen (unless he's off in Jan) could be ok playing behind Rasmus in one of the 10s (and Bruno in the other 10, who could at times play deeper to add another body in cm). Not ideal, but i dont know why Amorim hasn't tried that and instead plays Eriksen in cm.
It took local lads, youth, academy players of the past to lead United to dominant eras, youth is United, youth is the DNA the babes, the 92, with mangers who taught those impressionable young minds what they needed to do for them. Now it's got to be Amorims turn. If the old heads can't play the system, drop them all and teach the up and coming. The hungry, the wanting to play, the start up of their careers. Youngsters learn, seniors are stuck in their ways. Play the Youth. With half a season left theres Nothing to lose now. United need an injection of new players with no money, boom use the whole academy.
He won't put the responsibility on the youth, it's not their job to learn this system under the pressure of must win PL games. It won't benefit the youth & it won't benefit the first team player's who have to convince the manager that they're capable of staying at the club. Amorim is gonna do it his way & that's using, rotating & assessing the senior squad player's.
@johnmichaelson9173 Every game is a must win from the beginning to the end of the season. It shouldn't matter what situation you're in. Also, under the United Badge, the pressure is always on. The youth of previous generations got thrown into the deep end, into title winning teams, with instructions to win the league. That's heavy responsibility and pressure taken on. Survival is the objective this time, and in a short career, the sooner the youngsters take responsibility, the better. In comparison to winning, survival should be easy winning a game here and there all whilst the youth are learning from Amorim. The senior can play, maybe a senior backline defending the youth. But United needs a whole new outfield full of fresh talent. If INEOS can't buy it, use the assets you have in the academy.
The issue that we have is that our transfer windows prior to this one have been absolutely horrendous. I went through the last 3 summers we had before this one and its a horror show.
2021 we got Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo and Heaton.
2022. we got Antony, Casemiro, Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen.
2023 we got Hojlund, Mount, Onana, Bayindir and Evans.
Our best signings 3 years in a row were 30+ year old free transfers. Heaton, Eriksen (you can maybe debate Martinez) and Evans. And people wonder how have we ended up here. Its a miracle we finished last season in 8th already. All the stats pointed out that we should have been around 13-14th. Now we are just here.
Since the Glazers came in Utd have consistently overpaid for players and given them too much too soon for too long. You’ve got so many average players on well over £100k pw. Diaz at Liverpool for example is on £50k pw in comparison. It’s boosted by bonuses and incentives based on achieving certain targets.
@@1972dsrai Indeed and its a problem that perpetuates itself. Because new players and their agents know that we're paying bums big money obviously they're not going to settle for peanuts. And its the same for transfer fees as well. Its the one thing that got a bit better last summer with INEOS but clubs used to take the piss out of us every summer and we just paid stupid fees for garbage.
Also rewarding players like Bruno, Rashford, Casemiro with massive contracts was a huge mistake.
it's funny how things change. I remember quite a few supporters were saying we were going to win the league after the 2021 summer transfer window! Very few people back then said it was a bad window. I also don't remember anyone at the time complaining about the Casemiro signing. And some (e,g Sam at United People's TV) were even saying that Antony was a 'generational talent'!
Let's hope all teams below united get wins!
Flex is so low iq it’s unbelievable. “Drop Hojlund for the kids”
How do you drop a kid for a kid ?
Still my favourite show on RUclips. Praise and blessings to you both.
I'd love o see United playing youth. They would get pumped up 5:0 every game. This is not the 90s.
5:18 ... liverpool fan here ..... the players WON'T CARE!! they will be sold and they will move to another club and continue to be paid 10's - 100's of thousands per week! they wont care if they get you relegated KG .. but if that helps you sleep better at night then keep on thinking it
There are probably no clauses in their contracts if they get relegated meaning the club has to keep paying them their full salaries. It could ask them to take pay cuts or impose them which would be a breach and they could end up being able to move for free or very little.
Ruben Interim 😂
You can see the narrative is shifting and Amorims lack of innovation with this lifeless team is the problem. The media would much prefer to blame the manager instead of Ineos.
Jim is British. Even if he detonates a bomb at old Trafford he can't be balmed. Had jim been French there would be protests. So a British can destroy United with no consequence but a non British would probably face death penalty. Bias on steroids. It's our fault practically for supporting a foreign club as it looks like.
A few points that I can speak on with specificity.
Flek, I initially disagreed big time with your recent takes, but when you actually break it down and articulate the adjustments that you want to see, it's sage and wise.
We don't (and definitely shouldn't) abandon the plans and principles. But yeah we can still look to tweak our approach, be it personnel, or ammended instructions within the structure of what we're working towards.
And I also agree with both of you on your idea of blooding some of the youth immediately. Honestly a little surprised Amorim hasn't tapped into that traditional resource yet, considering every manager has done to great effect. Moyes, Januzaj. Van Gaal, Rashford. Mourinho, mcsauce and Axel. Eth, Mainoo and Gnashers.
Ok fine, I'll concede that the success has been to varying degrees, but every single one of those introductions gave the team/squad a boost. Not up for debate. Factual.
I proper understand flex's stance now.
Amorim needs to stick to his guns, but he also needs to show some flexibility, relative to our current situation.
You don't talk enough about the 72M blonde wrestler up front !
You talked to much about Onana.
Dolph ziggler 😂😂😂
I know the cool thing now is to attack our players, but remember when Chelsea were transitioning from Lampard to Tuchel, they left a 4 at the back system and went to Tuchels 3? Chelsea fell down the table, and we were laughing at them, now we are at that stage. The problem is we are telling players who have never seen a 3 at the back system in their life to be good at it instantly. Most of these players are good, we are just cussing them out for not being able to change tactical mentality MID SEASON, when Tuchels tactics and most managers spend a year at least to implement their tactics. We need to calm down
@@DavidTMUFC sensible people do exit :)
Tbf tho, Tuchel won them a UCL trophy in his first few months
Happy New Year Flex, KG and Owen!. God only knows what 2025 has in store for MUFC...all i can say is Viva Amorim!!! We must keep the faith and keep fighting.
Why would we be bring young kids with good talent onto this atmosphere with this group of clowns? Don't ruin them before they even start their careers. With a group of good veteran players, yes, a couple kids can come in and be guided by the others but kids can't come on the pitch with this pitiful crew as they will ruin them! This is a stupid suggestion. I'm surprised that United fans would even think of such a thing.
Amorim is 85% there already with the squad a final twik starting with Liverpool
need to try a 3/5/2 give use the extra midfielder and extra striker
Zirkzee potentially world class striker but not prepared to bust a gut for the club showed those signs to the fan base that turn against him against Newcastle.
Attitude has to change from him if he wants to survive at the club.
Players like Collyer aren’t just the legs that we need, we’ve forgotten that they have that fearlessness and intensity also and right now we need some fire up the arses of the other players in games. Collyer has had a few promising games already and worse ways he will improve more than Casemiro. Casemiro and Eriksen Can’t go up levels but the kids could. Garnacho has dropped but initially was fire, which at least right now that type of fire can bring us up the table to safety. The main Midfielders must be Ugarte, Mainoo, Collyer, Amad and Bruno (for now)
Maza centre back, sharing with Yoro, Amad RWB, and try Amas to sub in for Dalot in games and see. Rasmus and Zirkzee need to improve or bring on chido who is better than Wheatley I think.
Flex feeling sorry for himself😂.....the manager needs to stick to his tactics.....take the short term pain for long term gain
Another Salah hattrick coming even betting got odds in how depressing we are 😭
So, here's a question for you: if You're all so sure these players are crap and will be all replaced over time what need is there for them to learn Amorim's system? Surely for the time being he can do whatever it takes to get points on the board? When Arteta first joined we played 5 at the back because he knew we weren't good enough to go 433 - didn't make us any less capable of doing so later though...
Rashford, senior pro. 😂😂😍
The coach should not adjust for the players. Those who can't adapt should get out
Absolutely brainless fella. United managers have been “adjusting” to these players for 10 years. That’s not how modern tip football works. Get a clue 😂
@@AGrassy29dont talk out your trap. Majority of these players were bought by ETH that wasnt here for 3 full seasons. Stop smoking your stink socks
I predict United will win the next 3 games
amorim already having to deal with some crazy one of a kind utd situation.
if it's not lineups being leaked, or a club sale, or what to do with Ronaldo/rashford/pogba/Sancho.
it's just one drama after the other, your club is collapsing.
amorim has nothing to lose, the kids should be getting a look in. the senior players are already shite, it's not gonna matter if you lose another game trying out some youngsters to see what they can offer.
That intro is pain 😢😢😢😂😂
We are not getting over 40 pts if no movement is made in January we need a LWB at the very least.
from treble winner to relegation fight , crazy😮😮
You lot are a problem. Panicking without giving patience and time to a new regime to work. Things don’t change overnight. Reactionary overreaction flip flop channel that is too high or low without knowing any context, zero research or football knowledge. Listening to these guys is like getting your medical advice from uncle John from facebook
it shows that INEOS are not the great reformers that they think they are. Amorim is a good coach, but to get him halfway through the season, when there are virtually no players in the squad who can play his system, is ludicrous, unless there is an agreement that he can play to the players strengths, until the summer, when there can be a clear out and new players bought. SJR is as bad as the Glazers; until we have them out, we will never be the team we should be. We need the debt paid off and to be back in the black.
They’ve done great
You guys are a diagrace with this relegation talk. No stomach to suffer for even 5 games. Support your team through this rough period dont act all defeatist. Cmon guys
Lets be honest it’s been going on for 10 plus years, this is the worst it’s actually ever been
@@willi9ams123456789 it doesnt matter. That's why rivals call us glory hunters.
The manager is picking player's based on fitness, nothing freaked Amorim out more than the amount of injuries suffered under ETH. He's proactive in stopping that & him picking Zirkzee & not Mainoo was because of that. He didn't think Mainoo was fit enough to start the Newcastle game. Utd aren't gonna get relegated but a shit load of loses could see Amorim loose his job & that's the concern.
Happy New UV community 🎉🎉🎉
United will beat Liverpool 2-1
Kg woke up and decided to speak straight facts
Flex, you don't have to fall on your sword. People are coming up with all kinds of suggestions. Best we just stick with this manager or we end up with a rinse and re-rinse with this squad another year or two.
if you think you are too good to get relegated, you are wrong
Im damn disappointed in these long time supporters that cant keep it together and think relegation at January.
Nah, INEOS have done nothing they've just kept messing up with mistake and mistake. And as for the young players it's too volatile to bring them into this. Look at what's happening to Garnacho, Hojlund and even Zirkzee one bad performance from Chido or Kone or Amass then the crowd and fans will be calling for their head. There is no answer to this
Y’all DDG love comes from years of saves not how he was when he left! He was just as shit as Onana if not worse. Making a couple point blank saves in Italy don’t mean anything
Ruben is not ready for the challenge, he's a hyped up manager just like majority of United players
U 2 only have two modes. its either pack the midfield or play the youth
Flex imagine osr comes out and we get a light 6 point deduction...man well be in relegation
Will we just stop with this nonsense of players not being ready? Not ready for what exactly? The shit show we witness on the pitch week in week out? Try the person in the position. You never know what will materialise. We have our 18's ripping the youth league to shreds season after season and we keep relying on senior players who cannot put the ball in the back of the net. Let it make sense. When the class of 99 or whatever were brought into the first team by Ferguson was anyone talking about them being too young or not ready. I get so pissed when I hear those comments. I mean look at Dalot struggling on the lft handside because he is right footed. I mean surely Harry Amass can at least put a decent cross in on his left foot. Come on. Let's stop this
Famous last words in the caption😂
Transfer window just started🎉🎉🎉
The intro😭😭😭😭
The biggest flip flop on here is KG. As soon as we have bad results...he is like, there is nothing better...why change the system...go back to the way it was...he shows no real depth when thinking about things...just get the results so he can sing a revenge song for expressions. its shallow self centered thinking...its crazy. The thumbnail of this was "Play the youth" and the bashing was centered around manutd spending 600m...but guess what, the whole discussion with flex was about signing new players. Its madness 🤣
Amorim must stick to his style! And due in his sword
Thats what ETH did!
The teams below us like Ipswich and wolves? How did you back a manager that was doing this to us?
I like kg with the comedy, i don't like kg when he acts like he knows balls.
Might have 20 years ago with that number of points at this stage
You think anyone got a relegation clause?
Probably not, but any signing in January sure as hell will!
Sir Gareth might be your manager by the start of the 25/26 season. 🎣🍿
When we took 7 of liverpool, we were third in the league, and infor every competition
Bring in: Gittens, Mamoush, Zhegrova, Nuno Mendes, Diego Leon and a top holding midfielder in the next two years
Bring them with what funds?
@ Selling Rashford for starters, then as many as possible after that. Maybe a loan to buy kinda thing, something, anyway they can, but it has to be these top quality players and not injury prone ones
@@MischieFisBack1984 funny you said that, who's going to buy Rashford?
Gittens and Zhegrova are wingers. Do you think they can be converted into wing-backs? Otherwise they're useless signings.
@@emir4ofabj397 loads of clubs, especially in the premier league. If Man City could they would, Pep would turn him into a machine scoring 25 goals plus EVERY season with the amount of chances created
Last 11 games for Utd are a real danger if they still need points. Only Leicester away, Wolves and West Ham are home are winnable imo. Arsenal, Forest, City, Newcastle, Brentford, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Aston Villa are all losses on current form. Getting around only 10 pts in the last 3rd of the season screams danger.
fast note :
343 formation depend on a superline of midfielders and i see man utd got a good fast front line ( antony amad garnacho and zee ) and not bad backline ( dalot yoro martinez ) and this backline which is not good but not bad is depending on midfilders so try to pick the superline midfilders !
I need to see a back 3 of Maz De Ligt and Martinez that’s what our best 3 cbs are AS A UNIT
More genuine than real.... your talking foo foo. Emotional Damage.... who hurt you FLEX, you obviously can't handle the emotional roller coaster that is UNITED RIGHT NOW. RUBEN IS UNTOUCHABLE, Rashy is gone, Maguire, Shaw, Malacia, Eriksen, Casemiro, Lindeloff, these manz r gone, they not here next season, r they going to play to their maximum for Amorim, Nah. But Anorim has to use them, them team is just about a team. We need these youngster's to be picked out of the Reserves & just like the class of 92, your Ckub needs your, youth, tenacity, guile & desire to Win every tackle, every header. AMORIM is going to make mistake because he hasn't got a choice. Amorim has to balance the team for the season. Bring the youth through. We've got some youngster's who are on fire right now. Boo the veterans, if they can't handle the Amorim's way, let the young guns free. Obi Martin & Wheatley. Seko kona is needed in our midfield. We need a sprinkle of 28 olds experienced World Class player's. Tevez here, vidic their & Kobbie bang in the middle. Amorim is having to play Bruno who makes the team risky
Don't think Liverpool will take their foot off the gas, if you know Premier league then there's no rivalry like united and Liverpool these two clubs the English football, so be ready for another 7 nil and I'm a die hard united ❤ all the way
Amorim Knows what we've been through with this lot.he's telling everyone the truth we already know.
The worst thing Ineos could of done is get Amorim to start immediatly man. Should of sticked to RvN till atleast the winter window.
Totally agree with those backing Amorim and sticking to his style. But we are in deep financial trouble, this squad is dead and we have no where to go.
If we imagine that there’s a dark cloud over MUFC then let’s blame that dark cloud, we’ll get somewhere… MUFC is a poisoned chalice and any poison chalice or in city’s case (playing at a SUPER HIGH LEVEL) it’s inevitable that life brings you back down to earth. We’ve had our time and the club has disrespected itself in everything that it’s doing and been doing since they took over (GRAPING the club). Every dog has its day and THEY (the owners) aren’t acting on behalf of the lifeblood of the club which is THE FANS.. owe as BIG as we are the FALL is equally as hard
#RELEGATIONrebootPLEASE OR
#FANboycottingGAMESandMERCH (👈🏾 highly unlikely)
It’s the only way for MUFC to Do right by its own soul
#YAnited 🔴⚪️⚫️⚽️❤️
I will only keep De Ligt, Mazraoui, Yoro, Martinez, Mainoo, Ugarte and Amad - either as starters or squad members. The rest are available for sale at any reasonable price.
Considering FFP, I hope we can do some smart business by looking at those whose contracts are coming to an end soon + free transfers + swap deals. Also, promote some hungry academy players to be part of the 1st team squad. It can be done, but it needs a competent transfer guru to pull this off. All eyes on INEOS now.
The Dalot hate is realllll
OMG it’s Timun n Poomba 😂
The storm is coming its called the academy its always rescued this club our success was built on youth history doesn't lie relegation is a fear i witness the last time one of most existing young team emerged from old second division to promotion as champions history something repeats its self keep the faith
If he fails with the younger players then he will be sacked. He should NOT try the youngsters if he wants to keep his job
This Utd team is no way “too good to go down”
relegation is the only way we get rid of this ownership. It's 2025 and we still screaming and shouting we are tired
The CEO - Omar Bradar’s decisions are questionable and downright reckless. We might get relegated because of this hasty decisions.
0:20 and 0:33 indeed
We got chilwell bros . He won the champs playing wingback .
I agree with trying some youngsters. Can it really be that much worse if we play Amass or Collyer or Kukonki!?
Transfers I think have to be of players that know the system. Players from teams like Atalanta and Inter, even Palace and Wolves are the ones that need to be considered. We can’t risk buying players and they can’t adapt to the system
Happy new year guys, KG, u are asking us the manager should change what, the fans can’t tell you exactly what but u can not keep on playing like this is the point bro. It is insanity to continue this way
Why are fan cam channels arguing with themselves about Will INEOS sack Amorin. No reputable outlet has said this? And you’re using it as a stick to beat INEOS with. Why keep repeating this argument when no one has raised it?
32 points was more than enough last season. Thats 10 points from like half the season they need. Suggesting relegation is just stupid. Theres no difference finishing 10th or 14th 15th 16th. Play the kids.
I think if we get knocked out of the cup. then Ruben can work in training and we will be better, season is a write off so it's about staying above relegation and maybe jammyness to win europa.
Liverpool fan, no banter but my god..... Parachute not opening....Im crying. Ive heard MU fans comaplain "we'' get relegated and it'll be better" thats an extra 3 years to rebuilding to a prem challenge. Ive also heard manutd fans compare this to liverpools dark age, its MUCH worse, MUCH worse. I love hating on UTD but even this is becoming a little sad. Question: i still fear the game on Sunday cause something something derby, form goes out the window BUT lets say we hit you for 6, IF the players leave 100% on the field i can live with that BUT if MANu players cant get up for this game are they truely dead
The arrogance and delusion to think you won't get relegated because you're Man Utd. No team is too big to go down.
The fact that he is unable to get any kind of tune out of these players points to a stubborn nature. You're setting yourself up for disappointment by thinking he'll be able to deliver once he has his own players. If he is that stubborn and one dimensional that he will play with his system regardless of the players available, then he is no different from Ange is he?
How can anyone say they would want DDG back considering how poor he was 😂
Sure you can say Onana is not your type of keeper and should have got someone else, but to keep DDG esp in this system with a manager that wants control, when DDG was such a liability is just crazy !
we will beat the drop lol.. we don’t play liverpool every week .. Sunday, they will just give us a light 2 n give us the ball to stat pad our possession n xG stats since we love those so much 😂