Flex is not thinking about United. He is only thinking about not getting embarrassed on DR Sports by AGT and Robbie. The day Amorim change the formation is the day Player power wins.
@@firminorules Look, most teams play a back 3 with the ball first of all. 3 4 3 without the ball is rare but sometimes we play 4 4 2 without the ball with one of the wingbacks becoming a full back and the other one joining the midfield. Not such a huge change IMO
@@firminorulesConte was able to switch from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 cos he had players in the squad who could play wingback. Most notably Victor Moses who was limited as a top 4 winger/wide forward but was very athletic & had defensive strengths. He also had a far better midfield 2 in Kante & Matic than what Man Utd have. Chelsea also only had to play 1 game a week cos they weren't in Europe
Flex is talking sh.t. Ragnick abandoned his philosophy after 20mins against Crystal Place, got discarded. Ten Hag abandoned his principles after 2 straight defeats against Brighton and Brentford, got sacked. Yet you want Amorin to abandon his principles? The problem is not formation, but the PLAYERS.
@@nevillewhite5559don’t care if u have 15 players ON THE LINE these bozos will still find a way to concede ! we went to Anfield with a better shot stopper n still took 7.. many blamed DDG.. Onana is way worse
Ur delusional 😂 flex is 100% right you cannot come into PL try to implement ur Unique system During the season with No pre season ten hag was smart especially on his first season He adapted to the players got top 3 while amorim is stubborn getting himself sacked
As an opposition fan. I get what Flex is saying. But that is your issue. Your players are crap in any system. You need to be humbled massively. In order for a proper rebuild, you need to sell your whole squad and buy just as many. Which is how many windows? Too many, Years. We live in a world that can't wait that long. Plus your new owner is an evil bastard
@SirMonkeySuit thank you for telling the truth! Especially with the new owner being evil yet half of united fan base were backing him against someone who wanted to buy the whole club and get rid of the debt and build a new stadium yet because he's muslim or state owned they prefer someone who's British yet this person wanted to buy Chelsea only 2 seasons back
United have been buying many players every season since Ferguson left. I hate this 'players' narrative. Under Ole, it was the players. Ten Hag, they needed a rebuild, and needed to get 'his signings' in. His signings came in, and now it's the players again. So now, you need to get specific players to fit Amorims system. So what happens if Amorims players don't play well? You sack him, and then blame the next managers failure on having Amorims players. HOW ABOUT SIGNING A TOP CLASS, PROVEN MANAGER WITH EUROPEAN PEDIGREE TO HANDLE A CLUB THE SIZE OF MAN UNITED?????? (Carlo, Inzaghi, Spaletti, Gasperini, Simeone, Gallardo) I've been saying that for years. Until that happens they'll continue this hilarious cycle, and the delusional fanbase like yourselves will continue to spiral, cluelessly 😂😂.
@@user-fe7xw6tw7b If Ineos do that then they back the Players and not the Coach. They can leave as well then. To sack Amorim is the worst Decision and will make them look Shit. Who should come in for him then?
@@F4Bs3Y Doesn't matter, could be Potter. If we seriously look like getting relegated he's gone. We start getting into things like legal obligations to shareholders, lawsuits all sorts of things if the board just sit back and do nothing.
United fans with Ten Hag: "Why has he abandoned his playing style? Ten Hag Out." United fans with Amorim: "Why is he persisting with his playing style when it isn't working?" Our fans don't even know what they want. Fans have the same IQ as Rashford!
Flex you said yourself end of November that there should be no more compromising, no player based adjustments, ruthless only. Now you’re being a little selfish because you don’t like the results. We all screamed for patience. Cmon we’re not getting relegated, even if we come 16th who cares
flex doesn't have the stomach for any of this. it is very likely to get worse, and could get a lot worse thereafter pending how things go. he talks about wanting to play this game of chicken with the players but he can't do it. he will want amorim out by the end of February.
It’s flip flop flex as normal. I get how he feels but we ALL have already forecast this “storm” including Amorim and it needs to be done and we need to stick with it REGARDLESS and the talk and pressure needs to go on INEOS.
He's talking about the Liverpool & Arsenal games, you think SAF wouldn't change it up when going to Anfield? The manager has to give the team the best possible chance of getting some kinda result against Liverpool then Arsenal he's not asking Amorim to give up on his idea. He's saying there are gonna be games in which a different tactical approach has to be adopted & going to Anfield then the Emirates are those games.
The Southampton game is the one that will determine if united is in a relegation fight, if you lose or even draw that game and Ipswich start winning more consistently then you basically have to go emergency mode
Flex you've lost it mate. Understand the high emotions but think logically. You can't let the players win again. Keep the formation no matter what happens and if sacking talks begin it becomes OUR job to protect the manager at all costs.
Why does everyone think changing formation means 'letting the players win?'. Play your best players in their best positions, if they don't perform then bench them. The players and fans couldn't care less what the system is, as lomg we get 3 points
@@pgc99 the point of hiring amirom is to play his style of football. His style of football is played with a 3-4-3. If the players can't handle it they need to be moved out. Changing your philosophy for results will end badly no matter what, look at Erik, 2 trophies but shit football and sacked anyway.
It was an easy win for KG. Flex is in his feelings and slowly losing it. So he wants Amorim to change and so if he ‘stops the bleeding’ with a couple results, then what, he can’t go back to his original plan? Amorim is trying something, it will click. We know these players can do this. Changing formation won’t solve Composure. Decision making. Desire. Winning mentality. It’s a culture issue.
@@devilsmistrising7133 Amorim needs atleast 4 of his own players made for his tactics injected into squad. Get rid of these deadwoods and the leakage stops
Get relegated, win the championship with record points, come back and kick arse. We could be relegated and in the champions league if we win the europa :)
Flex is a reflection of the players, no conviction and wants to revert back to type when things aren't going well. Its so weak and regressive, these players will never learn to be better or evolve
Wtf is wrong with parking the bus at Anfield & the Emirates? Surely giving the team a chance of getting something is better than the first 20 minutes against Newcastle?
@@moal-shael7580 I don't support Utd I'm just saying that Amorim will find it necessary in certain games. Playing the same way is fine but right now the next two games are against Liverpool & Arsenal, he would give his team a better chance if he changed his tactical approach. Big Ange wouldn't change & look what happened to Spurs.
I reckon they would stay… I’m genuinely worried about them staying even through a relegation… side note, wtf is that sentence even? Btw have they stated they would sell if utd were to go down? Is this a known thing? I’m asking for real because I can’t really recall them ever saying anything. Ever. I’d be right there with you if I knew it would work mate, but I’m beginning to fear that this is it now…
@@charliebadger377 I’m sure they’ll sell up if we went down. The stock price would tank! I’d suspect they would take what they can and run. Because I think we would struggle to come back up. Genuinely. The amount of players that would leave would leave us bare bones. Who do we attract if we’re in the Championship? It’s not PL talent.
@@matamsenegal Hopefully you will be as cheerful once Liverpool stick 5,6,7 past us!! Rebuild is one thing but gifting your main rival's easy points plus helping their goal difference can never be sound judgement!!!!
@@EllenWst Let's try nothing new.Just let Liverpool humiliate us again.Lets boost their goal tally at the same time! Happy new year Liverpool, congratulations on #20!! Is this what we are now? Is there no fight or hope left in even the fan base?? Can we not even try and throw a spanner in the Liverpool title machine??
FLEX IS WRONG, STOP CATERING TO THE PLAYERS!!! Its better to have a handful of players like Amad, Ugarte, Mainoo, Mazraoui etc that can play the system, carry on playing it and sharpening their play and having other players who play that system added to them.
You abandon your philosophy and you'll be forced to continue with that lie until you're caught out! Question is for how long can this continue without forcing Amorim to have to change?
26:00 - 28:00 sums up this united team. What else can Amorim do beyond initiating a tactical vision. You can’t coach mentality, you can’t coach IQ, so what other things can the coach change in his capacity. Everything else is beyond his control. This is beyond the manager, and if us going down and getting relegated is the rebuild we need then fair and fine, if the coach is fired then we know INEOS are criminals and the club is mudded. The energy should be directed to these players because 20mins into the video the conversation is on the coach changing something, these players need to feel that we are on their case. Im with KG on this all day.
What's even the point in brining a new manager then? Have any of you ever wondered that this "FAMOUS" formation of his might not work even if he gets new players? I swear, United fans deserve the players they have.
@ well we don’t know do we, it might not work or it might actually work. But what I know is majority of those players continue to misplace simple passes, their decision making is crap, they cant even run to save their lives, thats what i know. I’ll only start being on Amorim’s case once he gets the support and the players he needs from the club.
You needed a Sean Dyche as interim manager, play like Everton, be respectable, get those players working hard, and then bring Amorim later in the season so he can evaluate the squad and get a plan for the summer. Amorim arriving early with this squad is destroying the goodwill and aura he had imo
Ofc because it’s doing wonders for spurs as well. If you don’t have the players you can’t play your Mickey Mouse league style. It’s that simple yet our kid manager doesn’t want to believe it. Some of you fans are just not looking at what’s really in front of you
@savesutd91 if Amorim changes his tactics to accommodate those scraps. He's basically accepting defeat. By letting them play to what works for them, he's handing them the keys to the castle. They'll bottle matches regardless of tactics and get him sacked and the cycle goes on. Amorim Cannot change his philosophy
KG spitting facts,you pull man from a champions league in form team and then want to scrutinise him when the players he has now cant even get on the bench of his previous team
Agree with KG here. You can change the formation and tactics but the same players devoid of confidence with no leaders in the team we will not get anything more out of them. The manager needs to be backed.
At the Premier League level, there's no excuse for these players to not be able to learn a new formation. They're joke players. Amorim isnt the problem, the Glazers are. They pulled the wool over you lots eyes in Ineos and you were all too happy to fall for it.
Flex talking BS again... he always wants ALL managers out but said nothing about these players... he was jumping up n down when Sporting beat M City thinking in his small mind that it will be repeated at Utd 😂😂😂
Well said, KG. im with this manager. It's the players who are gonna get us relegated, not this manager. It doesn't matter what formation these guys play, they arent good enough, they haven't got the minerals.
At the moment the problem is both & until he realises that you can't be going to Anfield then the Emirates with a formation that the player's aren't fully familiar with & coming away with a result. Has Amorim ever managed a team under the light's at Anfield or the Emirates? No one's asking him to give up on his idea it's just these two games need some sensible tactics.
KG speaking facts...Flex why do you think a different system will produce good results...those mongers were tried different systems and what happened? Players are not good enough...what more do you want.
United in that arteta 2020 phase right now. Amorim has to stick to his principles. He can’t sway from it now. Or it will end up the same way it did for all the other managers. It will get better. This was the storm he was talking about.
Unfortunately UTD fans lacks patience and common sense.....I can't believe their is even a talk of changing formation to accommodate these rubbish egoistic players
Arteta 2020 played a counter attacking style (which he won FA cup with beating City & Chelsea) he didn't want to play full time whilst he worked with Edu on a plan to get as many players out of the squad in Summer 2020 & 2021... By 2022 & 2 8th places & 1 5th place virtually no one over 24 was left from the squad he inherited.... Remember he was allowed to go to war with Ozil & Auba as necessary & players contracts were mutually ended taking necessary financial hits... A big problem for Utd is the leveraged debt Glazers placed on Utd, 5yrs of financial losses & FFP/PSR beginning to bite them in the ass
We need to get relegated & get rid of players, fans, staffs , sponsors, owners,who dont want to stay when the club is at all time low. That would be much easier to rise back with so much less burden.
@@gavinrussell8487we let them off and thought job done we play spurs on sat or we could have pushed Man U is a joke now your joking over Luton wining Chelsea I guarantee you would be more worried playing them now fact embarrassing club
Amorim stick to your principles, do not bend to these players, win lose draw, be it relegation or not, it has too happen. Our players pass and cant actually run of the ball. Ugarte is amorims best player because hes played under him before, flex dont panic.
He can't do a Ange at Anfield. He will have to change something, because he will just be a donkey if he goes there playing his system and gets battered.
The problem isn't just the players inability to adjust to the new system. It's also the fact that the manager is putting players in the wrong positions
I understand now why Flex likes Bruno; it is the "at least he is trying" mentality. Sometimes you can try your best, but unfortunately, it is not good enough.
They are both right tbh, what you can’t do is get relegated. Amorim has to skirt sending his message and sticking to his system with getting enough points to not get relegated. If he deems he can stick to his system without relegation, we have to trust him with that assessment. We praise managers for adapting their systems to players available, Flex is just saying if he has to adapt the system for some games to survive relegation, then he should consider it.
I actually love the state of things. The argument has always been mixed between whether the managers or the players were the problem. The new system has made it clear the players are bang average. I think he should keep the formation so when the team tries to get rid of them, fans will keep quiet and let it happen.
Flex = “we have to change SOMETHING”. Yes Flex. This time, we are going to change. Instead of the manager caving to the players, for them to play AVERAGE in their preferred formation, the manager isn’t to cave. What you fail to understand is if the manager caves in and wait until the summer like you suggest then when we get to the summer, all the players that he keeps, we’ll have to learn his formation again. Whereas if he sticks with his formation fast forward to the summer and the players know it off by heart and it is only the new signings that need to adapt. Your inability to follow something through to a logical conclusion is becoming painful to listen to. Pack your emotions away. Control yourself. And stay the course. It is sounds like you that allow these players to go through managers like bags of skittles.
It’s mad when faz hotted garnacho for playing shit all of you got onto him. Meanwhile you lot playing happy families with these dead players, alright rashy , hi rasmos, mount you ok. All this ass kissing making these players feel their doing nothing wrong. Accountability If more fans was to bad these players up things would’ve changed time ago.
Is no one listening to the manager? If we change the formation we go nna be in exactly the same position next year. Short term pain for long term gain.
What must Amori change anything for? All the other managers were forced into that and where are they now? SACKED! We need to get relegated to begin the open heart surgery that Ralph R spoke of years ago. Player fc and Glazers out! We need a complete restart. And when we get relegated it will NOT be Amorim's fault. He must start the rebuild next season whichever league we are in.
For the nincompoops saying yhey dont mind relegation. You do know the club is already in serious debt? Yeah get them rekegated and become another Leeds or worse
KG Talking sense. I said it from the start: Do not sack TH before season's end. All they've done is heap a mass pressure on a new manager mid season. Nonsense.
I think maybe if we are shittier for a few years, and the club revenue does not make us a viable commercial club anymore we could get rid of the Glazers and even INEOS
Do not sack our manager these players are a disgrace! At least 4/5 out & at least 3/4 in January cause this is the players hating that the whip has been cracked & they hate it
Every podcast and supporters must remember one thing, every player joins a team to improve the club and not improve themselves. If they don't improve the club they were never good enough.
Old enough to remember the last time we went down. I don’t think we will,but wouldn’t be the end of the world. If it got rid of the fair weather fans,the Glazers & INEOS I might even welcome it.
“I’m saying ‘guys, we’ve got Liverpool and Arsenal next, he’s going to have to try something different here’”, says the Very Sensible RUclipsr. Fortunately, Amorim was listening, and hadn’t even considered that he might have a different approach for different games. With that one suggestion, Flex single-handedly revolutionised football management, and the manager who had previous won LITERALLY EVERY GAME HE PLAYED THIS SEASON learned a Very Valuable Lesson and realised that he might have to do more with his team than just leading them to the pitch, saying “3-4-3” and sitting down to pray.
Flex talking facts. Arteta's first season with holding and David luiz etc, he played games with a back 4 and some with a back 5 until he got the players that he wanted.
As an Arsenal fan we were in the same position for what felt like an eternity, but luckily they had the patience, means and plan to do a complete rebuild. I know some vocal social media fans are still crying weekly for trophies, but I'd rather be a well balanced side in a title race and still have a chance at every cup than yell "Arteta out" as soon as we go on a 2-3 game streak of losing points. That type of winning culture takes years to build back up. We've come far while steadily rebuilding our squad, and I'd rather be on our current trajectory than sacking the manager and risk having to start all over again, being the butt of all jokes. As fun as it is to banter a Man United loss, I genuinely hope you'll will find yourselves eventually, as I miss the old rivalry of the late 90's and early 00's
Do the Forest... bring in over 20 players, half loans, see what sticks and THEN build your base around that for the new season. It took forest 12 mths to figure it out and look at them now
Look what Eddie Howe did with Newcastle took a team at the bottom of the league 0 wins till late December odds on to be relegated ended up finishing mid table improving what he had working out a style that suited players he had, then the next season he started playing his own style once he brought in his own signings.
From the outside looking in, they’re both right, you do need new players but he also has to be a manager and adopt to the situation. A good manager adopts to the team he has and playing regardless of playing personnel
I agree with Flex. Arteta came in with emery’s men and grudgingly got results to stabilise the situation, playing 3 at the back because of the kind of players he had. And today he is playing fluid football with his own players challenging for the highest trophies in football, something arsenal fans cried out for many years. That’s what Amorim should do, you can’t force wack players to play your style and keep failing. You’re a football manager, understand your current team and try to get the best out of them for now, then get the right players for your system when you can
United fans are frustrated but that shows they don't understand their club. This is their real level. This is not Ferguson's United. They are actually doing well. Be happy, guys!!
Owen looking like his mum and dad are arguing infront of him 😂😂
boss comment. happy new relegation
Hahahahhahaha
Flex is not thinking about United. He is only thinking about not getting embarrassed on DR Sports by AGT and Robbie. The day Amorim change the formation is the day Player power wins.
anyone who thinks a 3 in the back will work is an idiot. Did Sir F use 3 at the back? Did Klopp? Did Pep? Anyone good other than Conte? No.
Exactly. Everybody wants to 'rip it all up' until it actually happens
@@firminorules Look, most teams play a back 3 with the ball first of all. 3 4 3 without the ball is rare but sometimes we play 4 4 2 without the ball with one of the wingbacks becoming a full back and the other one joining the midfield. Not such a huge change IMO
Imagine bringing in a manager who plays 3 at the back and none of the team suit that
@@firminorulesConte was able to switch from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 cos he had players in the squad who could play wingback. Most notably Victor Moses who was limited as a top 4 winger/wide forward but was very athletic & had defensive strengths. He also had a far better midfield 2 in Kante & Matic than what Man Utd have. Chelsea also only had to play 1 game a week cos they weren't in Europe
Flex is talking sh.t. Ragnick abandoned his philosophy after 20mins against Crystal Place, got discarded. Ten Hag abandoned his principles after 2 straight defeats against Brighton and Brentford, got sacked. Yet you want Amorin to abandon his principles? The problem is not formation, but the PLAYERS.
Fact!! nah fact
@@wisebrain6376 So just stick with this formation against Liverpool and get maybe another 7-0 stuffing??? Who does that help???
@@nevillewhite5559don’t care if u have 15 players ON THE LINE these bozos will still find a way to concede ! we went to Anfield with a better shot stopper n still took 7.. many blamed DDG.. Onana is way worse
True. I don't know why he's insisting on changing the formation.
Ur delusional 😂 flex is 100% right you cannot come into PL try to implement ur Unique system During the season with No pre season ten hag was smart especially on his first season He adapted to the players got top 3 while amorim is stubborn getting himself sacked
As an opposition fan. I get what Flex is saying. But that is your issue. Your players are crap in any system. You need to be humbled massively. In order for a proper rebuild, you need to sell your whole squad and buy just as many. Which is how many windows? Too many, Years. We live in a world that can't wait that long. Plus your new owner is an evil bastard
@SirMonkeySuit thank you for telling the truth! Especially with the new owner being evil yet half of united fan base were backing him against someone who wanted to buy the whole club and get rid of the debt and build a new stadium yet because he's muslim or state owned they prefer someone who's British yet this person wanted to buy Chelsea only 2 seasons back
I never understand people like you. You say we need to be "humbled massively". Have you not seen the last decade?
How much more humbling you want?
United have been buying many players every season since Ferguson left. I hate this 'players' narrative. Under Ole, it was the players. Ten Hag, they needed a rebuild, and needed to get 'his signings' in. His signings came in, and now it's the players again. So now, you need to get specific players to fit Amorims system. So what happens if Amorims players don't play well?
You sack him, and then blame the next managers failure on having Amorims players.
HOW ABOUT SIGNING A TOP CLASS, PROVEN MANAGER WITH EUROPEAN PEDIGREE TO HANDLE A CLUB THE SIZE OF MAN UNITED??????
(Carlo, Inzaghi, Spaletti, Gasperini, Simeone, Gallardo)
I've been saying that for years. Until that happens they'll continue this hilarious cycle, and the delusional fanbase like yourselves will continue to spiral, cluelessly 😂😂.
@@nxt1990yes utd need to be humbled as sky sports still think you're a top 6 team, regardless of the last 10 years. Utd is a mid table team at best.
KG spitting FACTS. I'd rather get relegated than back down to these players again. Enough is enough.
It really doesn't what the fans think. He will sacked long before united get relegated.
@@user-fe7xw6tw7b If Ineos do that then they back the Players and not the Coach. They can leave as well then. To sack Amorim is the worst Decision and will make them look Shit. Who should come in for him then?
Nah, relegation will mean the end for this club. We will probably not see us win the league again until we die.
@@F4Bs3Y They might not back either. They might decide to get rid of both.
@@F4Bs3Y Doesn't matter, could be Potter. If we seriously look like getting relegated he's gone. We start getting into things like legal obligations to shareholders, lawsuits all sorts of things if the board just sit back and do nothing.
I’m with KG, nearly everything he said is facts
Missed one caveat, psr hanging, unload before u can reload. But these players are on high wages very difficult to move
KG is spot on, flex the manager cannot change.
“Let’s go to superchats” - Owen 😂😂
He got tired of watching his "parents" argue in front of him. That is how it looked to me at least hahaha.
@@thacrypt223somebody’s already said that
United fans with Ten Hag: "Why has he abandoned his playing style? Ten Hag Out." United fans with Amorim: "Why is he persisting with his playing style when it isn't working?" Our fans don't even know what they want. Fans have the same IQ as Rashford!
😂
Flex you said yourself end of November that there should be no more compromising, no player based adjustments, ruthless only. Now you’re being a little selfish because you don’t like the results. We all screamed for patience. Cmon we’re not getting relegated, even if we come 16th who cares
flex doesn't have the stomach for any of this. it is very likely to get worse, and could get a lot worse thereafter pending how things go.
he talks about wanting to play this game of chicken with the players but he can't do it. he will want amorim out by the end of February.
Typical Flex U turn
It’s flip flop flex as normal. I get how he feels but we ALL have already forecast this “storm” including Amorim and it needs to be done and we need to stick with it REGARDLESS and the talk and pressure needs to go on INEOS.
He's talking about the Liverpool & Arsenal games, you think SAF wouldn't change it up when going to Anfield? The manager has to give the team the best possible chance of getting some kinda result against Liverpool then Arsenal he's not asking Amorim to give up on his idea. He's saying there are gonna be games in which a different tactical approach has to be adopted & going to Anfield then the Emirates are those games.
The Southampton game is the one that will determine if united is in a relegation fight, if you lose or even draw that game and Ipswich start winning more consistently then you basically have to go emergency mode
Flex you've lost it mate. Understand the high emotions but think logically. You can't let the players win again. Keep the formation no matter what happens and if sacking talks begin it becomes OUR job to protect the manager at all costs.
No one protect a manager when the management decides to sack him. The fans will forget after the new guy gets a few good results.
Why does everyone think changing formation means 'letting the players win?'. Play your best players in their best positions, if they don't perform then bench them. The players and fans couldn't care less what the system is, as lomg we get 3 points
Those ppl with flex's thought will fall for the trap already.
@@pgc99 the point of hiring amirom is to play his style of football. His style of football is played with a 3-4-3. If the players can't handle it they need to be moved out. Changing your philosophy for results will end badly no matter what, look at Erik, 2 trophies but shit football and sacked anyway.
KG is spot on, Flex is you’re talking shit these players are criminals
Wow never thought i would see it....KG being logical and Flex being absolutely emotional and reactionary
It was an easy win for KG. Flex is in his feelings and slowly losing it. So he wants Amorim to change and so if he ‘stops the bleeding’ with a couple results, then what, he can’t go back to his original plan? Amorim is trying something, it will click. We know these players can do this.
Changing formation won’t solve Composure. Decision making. Desire. Winning mentality. It’s a culture issue.
@@devilsmistrising7133 Amorim needs atleast 4 of his own players made for his tactics injected into squad. Get rid of these deadwoods and the leakage stops
Get relegated, win the championship with record points, come back and kick arse. We could be relegated and in the champions league if we win the europa :)
Flex is a reflection of the players, no conviction and wants to revert back to type when things aren't going well. Its so weak and regressive, these players will never learn to be better or evolve
Wtf is wrong with parking the bus at Anfield & the Emirates? Surely giving the team a chance of getting something is better than the first 20 minutes against Newcastle?
@@johnmichaelson9173 you think parking the bus will work at Anfield? You'll get cut through
@@moal-shael7580 I don't support Utd I'm just saying that Amorim will find it necessary in certain games. Playing the same way is fine but right now the next two games are against Liverpool & Arsenal, he would give his team a better chance if he changed his tactical approach. Big Ange wouldn't change & look what happened to Spurs.
Can’t even get mad anymore 🤦🏻♂️ not even against going down at this point if it means we get rid of the Glazers and start fresh. I’m serious as well.
You that naive to think you would definitely come back up?? Be careful what you wish for:… go chat to Blackburn fans … Sunderland…
Its a possibility. We never think of these things cos we are man utd. But it's looking bad
I reckon they would stay… I’m genuinely worried about them staying even through a relegation… side note, wtf is that sentence even?
Btw have they stated they would sell if utd were to go down?
Is this a known thing?
I’m asking for real because I can’t really recall them ever saying anything. Ever.
I’d be right there with you if I knew it would work mate, but I’m beginning to fear that this is it now…
@@charliebadger377 I’m sure they’ll sell up if we went down. The stock price would tank! I’d suspect they would take what they can and run. Because I think we would struggle to come back up. Genuinely. The amount of players that would leave would leave us bare bones. Who do we attract if we’re in the Championship? It’s not PL talent.
I said this years ago! 👊🏾
Flex needs to stop panicking and speaking out of fear. Face it.. this is a rebuild don’t need a formation change.
Sticking to a formation and keep losing or being pragmatic and gathering points/belief/goodwill/progress/marketvalue etc?
@@matamsenegal Hopefully you will be as cheerful once Liverpool stick 5,6,7 past us!! Rebuild is one thing but gifting your main rival's easy points plus helping their goal difference can never be sound judgement!!!!
@@nevillewhite5559you shipped that with a back 4 formation so what's the difference.
@@EllenWst Let's try nothing new.Just let Liverpool humiliate us again.Lets boost their goal tally at the same time! Happy new year Liverpool, congratulations on #20!! Is this what we are now? Is there no fight or hope left in even the fan base?? Can we not even try and throw a spanner in the Liverpool title machine??
@@nevillewhite5559 relax bruh, you are not rivals with Liverpool in any meaningful way currently. it's ipswich you gotta be looking out for.
FLEX IS WRONG, STOP CATERING TO THE PLAYERS!!! Its better to have a handful of players like Amad, Ugarte, Mainoo, Mazraoui etc that can play the system, carry on playing it and sharpening their play and having other players who play that system added to them.
If he changes the formation to adapt to these players he's finished
Basically doing a ten hag.
You abandon your philosophy and you'll be forced to continue with that lie until you're caught out! Question is for how long can this continue without forcing Amorim to have to change?
He wont change and even if he does nothing will change on the field. United need better players in January
Why is it that most teams in the league use 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3? It's not about abandoning philosophies, it's about being pragmatic.
@KandaEzana Ten hag played thise 2 systems in the start of the season and still the players did not work
@@KandaEzana what? Your analogy is 💩
Who said 433 is about pragmatism?
26:00 - 28:00 sums up this united team. What else can Amorim do beyond initiating a tactical vision. You can’t coach mentality, you can’t coach IQ, so what other things can the coach change in his capacity. Everything else is beyond his control. This is beyond the manager, and if us going down and getting relegated is the rebuild we need then fair and fine, if the coach is fired then we know INEOS are criminals and the club is mudded. The energy should be directed to these players because 20mins into the video the conversation is on the coach changing something, these players need to feel that we are on their case.
Im with KG on this all day.
Excuses he has to work with what he has he can’t keep losing games and fighting in relegation,
What's even the point in brining a new manager then?
Have any of you ever wondered that this "FAMOUS" formation of his might not work even if he gets new players?
I swear, United fans deserve the players they have.
@ well we don’t know do we, it might not work or it might actually work. But what I know is majority of those players continue to misplace simple passes, their decision making is crap, they cant even run to save their lives, thats what i know. I’ll only start being on Amorim’s case once he gets the support and the players he needs from the club.
You needed a Sean Dyche as interim manager, play like Everton, be respectable, get those players working hard, and then bring Amorim later in the season so he can evaluate the squad and get a plan for the summer. Amorim arriving early with this squad is destroying the goodwill and aura he had imo
big Sam the relegation master is who we may need
I wanted big Sam when ETH was sacked
Exactly. Amorim needs to show us he is a capable manager, not a stubborn inexperienced naive one.
@@savesutd91you completely missed their point
Flex is suggesting he’s not trying stuff. He’s trying stuff. He’s doing stuff. The players aren’t doing it.
Relegation sounds like the perfect tonic to this mess. Sometimes you have to destroy to rebuild for real.
Playing dead teams in the championship doesn't help 😂
Flex the problem is not the formation but the players. United have never completed a single rebuild. This situation has been here for 3 seasons now.
Can a 2 man midfield work in the pl with how physical the league is.
Ofc because it’s doing wonders for spurs as well. If you don’t have the players you can’t play your Mickey Mouse league style. It’s that simple yet our kid manager doesn’t want to believe it. Some of you fans are just not looking at what’s really in front of you
Chelsea did it, city did it, it's no excuses @@user-fe7xw6tw7b
@savesutd91 if Amorim changes his tactics to accommodate those scraps. He's basically accepting defeat. By letting them play to what works for them, he's handing them the keys to the castle. They'll bottle matches regardless of tactics and get him sacked and the cycle goes on. Amorim Cannot change his philosophy
KG spitting facts,you pull man from a champions league in form team and then want to scrutinise him when the players he has now cant even get on the bench of his previous team
Flex has absolutely lost it😂 this club witll be the end of him
Flex is wild for his takes, players have to take responsibility and Ronaldo is looking more right each day.
Agree with KG here. You can change the formation and tactics but the same players devoid of confidence with no leaders in the team we will not get anything more out of them. The manager needs to be backed.
At the Premier League level, there's no excuse for these players to not be able to learn a new formation. They're joke players. Amorim isnt the problem, the Glazers are. They pulled the wool over you lots eyes in Ineos and you were all too happy to fall for it.
Ineos were supposed takeover from thr Glazer but ended up breaking bread with the devil himself.
Ralph Rangnick : “ Open heart surgery “
You can’t keep accommodating players. The players are the ones to adjust to the managers style not the other way round
Flex talking BS again... he always wants ALL managers out but said nothing about these players... he was jumping up n down when Sporting beat M City thinking in his small mind that it will be repeated at Utd 😂😂😂
Well said, KG. im with this manager. It's the players who are gonna get us relegated, not this manager. It doesn't matter what formation these guys play, they arent good enough, they haven't got the minerals.
At the moment the problem is both & until he realises that you can't be going to Anfield then the Emirates with a formation that the player's aren't fully familiar with & coming away with a result. Has Amorim ever managed a team under the light's at Anfield or the Emirates? No one's asking him to give up on his idea it's just these two games need some sensible tactics.
@johnmichaelson9173 Show em this and tell them to get on with it.
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KG speaking facts...Flex why do you think a different system will produce good results...those mongers were tried different systems and what happened? Players are not good enough...what more do you want.
KG is panicking lol. “I’m going to lose me jobb”
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
When did he say this?
United in that arteta 2020 phase right now. Amorim has to stick to his principles. He can’t sway from it now. Or it will end up the same way it did for all the other managers. It will get better. This was the storm he was talking about.
Unfortunately UTD fans lacks patience and common sense.....I can't believe their is even a talk of changing formation to accommodate these rubbish egoistic players
Arteta 2020 played a counter attacking style (which he won FA cup with beating City & Chelsea) he didn't want to play full time whilst he worked with Edu on a plan to get as many players out of the squad in Summer 2020 & 2021... By 2022 & 2 8th places & 1 5th place virtually no one over 24 was left from the squad he inherited....
Remember he was allowed to go to war with Ozil & Auba as necessary & players contracts were mutually ended taking necessary financial hits...
A big problem for Utd is the leveraged debt Glazers placed on Utd, 5yrs of financial losses & FFP/PSR beginning to bite them in the ass
How do you know it will get better
Just shows United fans would have seen the Arteta sacking through, they would have also been Klopp out after the same period of time.
If Ratcliffe gets Man Utd relegated, he can probably buy the rest of the club half price. Just sayin.
We need to get relegated & get rid of players, fans, staffs , sponsors, owners,who dont want to stay when the club is at all time low. That would be much easier to rise back with so much less burden.
KG is speaking facts!!
Flex having a proper fever dream😅😅😅get well soon brother
Kg is speaking facts
United didn't have a single shot on target
They had 1. Hardly any better - but still... 1 to NU's 4.
Because we just pass the ball Infront of teams, we don't actually commit them , we pass and don't move.
@@gavinrussell8487we let them off and thought job done we play spurs on sat or we could have pushed Man U is a joke now your joking over Luton wining Chelsea I guarantee you would be more worried playing them now fact embarrassing club
Amorim stick to your principles, do not bend to these players, win lose draw, be it relegation or not, it has too happen. Our players pass and cant actually run of the ball. Ugarte is amorims best player because hes played under him before, flex dont panic.
Chelsea finished 14th last season and look at them now. No issues as long as United avoid relegation, just don't let player power win
easy for you to say Man Utd needs roughly 5 players, who's willing to join at this time of crisis is a whole another story
He can't do a Ange at Anfield.
He will have to change something, because he will just be a donkey if he goes there playing his system and gets battered.
He actually should just play his system, but with the full intention of bus-parking. 5-4-1, the most defensive formation possible.
The problem isn't just the players inability to adjust to the new system. It's also the fact that the manager is putting players in the wrong positions
Flex was just saying yesterday that Amorim should stay true to himself lol show some consistency
What happened to midfielders tracking runners into the box? McTominay and Fred used to get slammed for that constantly
Fred improved with casemiro but still
I understand now why Flex likes Bruno; it is the "at least he is trying" mentality. Sometimes you can try your best, but unfortunately, it is not good enough.
When Flex said change the formation and then shouted Tom Heaton!! 😂😂😂😂 💀 💀...
They are both right tbh, what you can’t do is get relegated. Amorim has to skirt sending his message and sticking to his system with getting enough points to not get relegated. If he deems he can stick to his system without relegation, we have to trust him with that assessment. We praise managers for adapting their systems to players available, Flex is just saying if he has to adapt the system for some games to survive relegation, then he should consider it.
I actually love the state of things. The argument has always been mixed between whether the managers or the players were the problem. The new system has made it clear the players are bang average. I think he should keep the formation so when the team tries to get rid of them, fans will keep quiet and let it happen.
Being too onedimensional will cost you games and points. It seems Amorim hasn’t learned this yet so he definitely is not ready to coach in the prem.
Flex needs to remember that these players can't play any system so why try and give them a way out?
Flex = “we have to change SOMETHING”.
Yes Flex. This time, we are going to change. Instead of the manager caving to the players, for them to play AVERAGE in their preferred formation, the manager isn’t to cave.
What you fail to understand is if the manager caves in and wait until the summer like you suggest then when we get to the summer, all the players that he keeps, we’ll have to learn his formation again.
Whereas if he sticks with his formation fast forward to the summer and the players know it off by heart and it is only the new signings that need to adapt.
Your inability to follow something through to a logical conclusion is becoming painful to listen to. Pack your emotions away. Control yourself. And stay the course. It is sounds like you that allow these players to go through managers like bags of skittles.
boss comment keep safe
People who think you get 4+ guys in January have never watched football.
Man said Ipswich are on our heels 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine if we got relegated but won the Europa league and were in the championship but also the Champions League 😂
Wigan athletic when they beat city in the fa cup final
@savior_of_misbehavior same, but not the same lol
It’s mad when faz hotted garnacho for playing shit all of you got onto him. Meanwhile you lot playing happy families with these dead players, alright rashy , hi rasmos, mount you ok. All this ass kissing making these players feel their doing nothing wrong. Accountability
If more fans was to bad these players up things would’ve changed time ago.
I’m with KG whole heartedly! I’m ready for relegation if it means INEOS and the Glazers out.
Flex has lost it completely. When you said "change something" from coach who came month ago, you're desperate, you lost clear view.. Flex is gone..
Just look at his preview for the first Amorim game 7 weeks ago… he already lost patience and faith since last month.
Martinez as captain is crazy
Is no one listening to the manager? If we change the formation we go nna be in exactly the same position next year. Short term pain for long term gain.
Flex knows how much money he is earning off this circus and just wants it to continue....
How can you blame Amorim,when 1.44 meter Licha defending vs 2 meters Isak and other newcastle titans?
He defended well Vs Haaland 7 months ago in the fa cup final
He picks the team's. Licha doesn't pick himself 😂
@@manni192with Varane handling Haaland 90% of the time in a park the bus team set up
Poor FLEX is on Paracetamol and Night Nurse 😅 so allow him for wanting Amorim to change.
What must Amori change anything for? All the other managers were forced into that and where are they now? SACKED! We need to get relegated to begin the open heart surgery that Ralph R spoke of years ago. Player fc and Glazers out! We need a complete restart. And when we get relegated it will NOT be Amorim's fault. He must start the rebuild next season whichever league we are in.
For the nincompoops saying yhey dont mind relegation. You do know the club is already in serious debt? Yeah get them rekegated and become another Leeds or worse
Tom Heaton... that just crack me up a bit.🤣
KG Talking sense. I said it from the start: Do not sack TH before season's end. All they've done is heap a mass pressure on a new manager mid season. Nonsense.
I think maybe if we are shittier for a few years, and the club revenue does not make us a viable commercial club anymore we could get rid of the Glazers and even INEOS
What is the middle man doing in the show?😂😂😂😂 i like this vibe though ,it shows you guys all care.
Do not sack our manager these players are a disgrace! At least 4/5 out & at least 3/4 in January cause this is the players hating that the whip has been cracked & they hate it
Kg thats correct he could have stayed in sportive.
KG is spot on it's a must we get some players IN jan window
Every podcast and supporters must remember one thing, every player joins a team to improve the club and not improve themselves. If they don't improve the club they were never good enough.
"TOM HEATON" Killed me off 😂
Old enough to remember the last time we went down. I don’t think we will,but wouldn’t be the end of the world. If it got rid of the fair weather fans,the Glazers & INEOS I might even welcome it.
It's not just about "bringing new players", the players have to be Amorim players and players who have a good character and will fight for the club...
“I’m saying ‘guys, we’ve got Liverpool and Arsenal next, he’s going to have to try something different here’”, says the Very Sensible RUclipsr. Fortunately, Amorim was listening, and hadn’t even considered that he might have a different approach for different games. With that one suggestion, Flex single-handedly revolutionised football management, and the manager who had previous won LITERALLY EVERY GAME HE PLAYED THIS SEASON learned a Very Valuable Lesson and realised that he might have to do more with his team than just leading them to the pitch, saying “3-4-3” and sitting down to pray.
You are going to see which players care! Who is willing to fight. This is a god send, the owners deserve everything that is coming to them.
I hope Manchester never recovers, no light at the end of the tunnel just darkness and even more darkness until the end of time
What players are you going to get in January? Maybe Amorim should find the right formation and tactics to suit the players 🤔
Kg is spot on🤝
Flex talking facts. Arteta's first season with holding and David luiz etc, he played games with a back 4 and some with a back 5 until he got the players that he wanted.
The way Leicester were playing against Man City the other day was enough to show me that he's a better manager than Amorim
Lmao, that geezer Flex made to predict a loss vs Liverpool 😂.
K G speaking facts Flex’s be quite your running scared.
Get a manger that's allways played 343 but as soon as it gets hard change the system great logic flex really good
This club is in the mud
Its been mudded for years.. just rain got heavier.. its muddier
As an Arsenal fan we were in the same position for what felt like an eternity, but luckily they had the patience, means and plan to do a complete rebuild. I know some vocal social media fans are still crying weekly for trophies, but I'd rather be a well balanced side in a title race and still have a chance at every cup than yell "Arteta out" as soon as we go on a 2-3 game streak of losing points.
That type of winning culture takes years to build back up.
We've come far while steadily rebuilding our squad, and I'd rather be on our current trajectory than sacking the manager and risk having to start all over again, being the butt of all jokes.
As fun as it is to banter a Man United loss, I genuinely hope you'll will find yourselves eventually, as I miss the old rivalry of the late 90's and early 00's
Do the Forest... bring in over 20 players, half loans, see what sticks and THEN build your base around that for the new season. It took forest 12 mths to figure it out and look at them now
Kg doesn't understand ffp isn't about whether you have the money or not, it's about your club spending being relative to club income.
Look players know they're up for sale that's why we're seeing these results.
Flex is thinking about himself.
Why is anyone still shocked at Flex saying the manager should change his philosophy to accommodate these players , how long before it's Amorim out 😂😂😂
Look what Eddie Howe did with Newcastle took a team at the
bottom of the league 0 wins till late December odds on to be relegated ended up finishing mid table improving what he had working out a style that suited players he had, then the next season he started playing his own style once he brought in his own signings.
I agree with KG 100%
From the outside looking in, they’re both right, you do need new players but he also has to be a manager and adopt to the situation. A good manager adopts to the team he has and playing regardless of playing personnel
I agree with Flex. Arteta came in with emery’s men and grudgingly got results to stabilise the situation, playing 3 at the back because of the kind of players he had. And today he is playing fluid football with his own players challenging for the highest trophies in football, something arsenal fans cried out for many years. That’s what Amorim should do, you can’t force wack players to play your style and keep failing. You’re a football manager, understand your current team and try to get the best out of them for now, then get the right players for your system when you can
Flex has had an absolute nightmare here.
United fans are frustrated but that shows they don't understand their club. This is their real level. This is not Ferguson's United. They are actually doing well. Be happy, guys!!