Klutch Sports has no shame. It's clear what the agenda is, and they're no longer even keeping it a secret. Phil Jackson called it out years ago. Kevin Durant called it out years ago. They were both attacked by the LeBron-led media. This guy wrote an entire article based on six games, and he didn't even bother to watch games of the other players who were finalists for DPOY.
Exactly!!! The entire issue is, he is a "Clutch affiliated" reporter that wrote an article whose purpose was to put doubt on MJ's award. But he then says he's unbiased??? Not only that, he claims that the stat scoring is subjective, chooses 6 games out of 41 home games, and does not even list the "criteria for steals. While using only MJ and comparing no one else. All of this while not even listing how MJ would've benefitted from the so called "stat stuffing". The entire article is literally a hit piece and only serves it purpose to be used as ammo for Lebron mouth pieces.
THIS is the subject of this video??? When I saw the title in my Yahoo feed I SPED past the article. Chasing a ghost, smh………..how full of shi do they have to be??
Bron can’t claim to be the GOAT without attack and diminishing another player. MJ doesn’t have to hate or diminish that right there shows who’s the GOAT.
Jordan fans been attacking Bron before he even played a single nba game. Thats why he's the goat lol. Y'all been hella insecure since before he was even old enough to join the league. Thats some next level ish
That's what irks me about it. Stuff like this creates a massive divide because anyone who isn't a Lebron James fan sees this as a grift. It makes the rest of us try to overcorrect and bash Lebron when he objectively is one of the best players ever but this stuff makes most NBA fans hate him.
Facts. I went to school for business management. In this field, if you're advertising a product to the consumers but also talk down the competitors product in order to promote yours, then your product is considered trash in the business world. It's bad business strategy. You must let the product speak for itself, and you should never bring up anything about the competition you're facing. That's how we know the LeBron product is trash.
@@LeGoatOnTop Tom Haberstroh did this in an attempt to tarnish Jordan to make Lebron look better. This is the grift being played on the fans. Nick Wright has already been outed as being on Klutch Sports payroll. It's a team of people propagating this Lebron-GOAT nonsense to grift money.
Nick Wright who's a Klutch sports client helped with this "research". He openly said it on his show. It really shows that theres a forced narrative that LBJ should be the goat.
You know how many media have Jordan Brand stock shares and deals with Nike and ESPN? We already know one bad word about Mike and you're getting blackballed xD
@@andrewcook1246 Do you know how many media plants are there that have connections to Klutch sports? Thats why you never hear anything but positive towards LBJ. Theres also only Nike stock, which owns the Jordan brand xD
He has gotten more annoying with each year; I pretty much despise him now(I'm not that way in general) bc he's such a good example of what went wrong. You just maybe spice up expert analysis, but you better be careful with that, and mainstream sports media went absolutely nuts with the clownery and "hot takes"...so actual agendas like Klutch can go under the radar amongst all that nonsense. It's almost ALL just comedy now, for channels like this, and that's real messed up.
It’s literally disgusting that people can’t deal with superiority and excellence and try to tear you down because the guy they are tying to promote can’t cut it. Lebron’s whole generation of followers are literally devaluing humans
Saw you in the chat of the live stream on GJK. Scrolling through the comments it’s hilarious how you don’t see any of the groupies on that channel here. 😂
@@greggibson33He played point guard for a 24 game stretch. Averaged 30 pts, 11 assists and 9 rebounds as a point guard. Not a stretch to believe in this era when you can pass the ball and someone makes multiple moves to shoot counts as an assist. A lot of missed free throws and get a rebound. And we know he would definitely get double digit in points.
Listen even without MJ DPOY Jordan would still be considered the GOAT. I guarantee some who think Jordan is the GOAT have no idea he won DPOY. It the overall player that Jordan was that makes him the GOAT. Undefeated in championships 2x 3peat, several gold medals, changed the course of Nike, most of all changed how the NBA is perceived of this planet. Does Lebron have any dunk championships Better yet does he Presidential Medals of Freedom. I mean we can get into the woods on all these awards but it wouldn’t make any difference. Jordan is the GOAT because he didn’t take any shortcuts, and how he played the game.
🤣🤣 Uncut with a Magnus Copus video not debunking ANY facts provided by the article. MJ is the most fabricated NBA player of all time and the level of help David Stern & the NBA had in his favor is only the tip of the iceberg. Enjoy the exposure of your idol, this is just the beginning
If you read the narrative Nick wright was referring to you would have already came to the same conclusion. They're just banking on people as usual not doing any fact checking@@LL-zm9go
@LL-zm9go coming from someone who's never seen him play. You forgot something. Jordan didn't play in the 50s. There's footage of this entire season. Go Watch it! Smh I can't stand yall. Lebron doesn't have fans he has STANS
What the LeMedia doesn’t understand is it’s not about stats. Yes MJ has all time stats but so does Lebron. It’s about winning, dominance and excellence. That’s the criteria
Any player you could put in the top 15 has stats and earily comparable compared to the average amount of games between them. In the scheme of it all, how much does MJ averaging slightly more points matter? How much does it matter than for his career Lebron had 1 whole rebound and assist more per game? Like you said especially when it comes to the supposed top 5 their stats honestly are eerily similar which means unless we're talking advanced metrics, who cares. To be the greatest, you gotta be better at winning than others. No that doesnt simply mean 'most chips' but its HOW you won these chips and when you lose its about HOW you lose. For example there are zero chips that Lebron has won that I'd put at the level of the chip Nowitzki won. Ultimately, Lebron sure as hell is a better player, but all his chips were either playing on the clearly best team in the league or clearly second best. So he didnt just lose a lot of finals, he also only won finals that he was SUPPOSED to win.
@@Herosennin Well stated 🫡 Lebron won 4, no less than 2 were with a super team, no less than 2 he had a teammate(s) bail him out. MJ has 6, the discussion ends there.
@@fourtubers7490 funny how lebron relies on good players to get him anywhere barely over 500 every year, and then takes all the credit and tries to get them traded and then blames other teamates for why he loses.
I literally just watched an AOH video where he breaks down how inflated James' stats are. And his assist stats are HYPER overrated. How can any real basketball fans take this self aggrandizing stat padder seriously?
cause they aren't basketball fans, they're Lebrona's groupies, they've never seen real basketball, just the video game version that's played this days.
lol like AOH & his viewers are “real basketball fans”. AOH is a degenerate casual with no basketball knowledge who panders to simple minded casuals who purely rely on nostalgia and bias. AOH is not anyone to cite lmao
Defense* and there is defense in the NBA today but it's harder to play defense due to the rules and the spacing. Defense actually takes skill now. Stay in school, kid.
@@BaithNa In British English, “defence” is standard. In American English, “defense” is the only correct spelling after they had to change the language. Maybe get out of school and see the world and learn history and find out the world doesn't revolve around American spelling.
This article is beyond stupid. You will find numbers doctoring. You'll also find Lebron and other current NBA players travelling and palming the ball while dribbling. Tired of them trying to tear Jordan down to make Lebron look better. Acoording to the NBA official rules *An assist is credited to the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a made field goal, but only if the player scoring the goal demonstrates an immediate reaction toward the basket after receiving the pass. Note also that an inbound pass can be credited as an assist if it leads directly to a field goal.* As was mentioned in the video, two of Lebron's assists that were shown were not as assist according to the rules. As assist is creating the shot for a teammate. Just passing it to a teammate and that teammate beating a defender in isolation is not supposed to be an assist. The one thing that irks me is this may set a precedent in the future where some NBA legend 20-30 years from now will be talking about current NBA stars the same way. There's just too much money to be made by claiming to be teh GOAT now. That's all this is. One big grift by Klutch Sports and Lebron James.
Lebron never gets called for offensive fouls. If people want to say Jordan stats were inflated well so is everyone else's. It's why we don't use stats to say Jordan is better. We say chips, skills and athleticism.
💯It’s pathetic that disrespect towards players of the past used to be considered classless and unfair and now is not only “cool” but an exploitable sentiment for entire media careers.
no one's sayin that there arent questionable instances where someones credited with an action in sports in todays leauge, far from it, there will always be questionable stats as long as sports exist, however lebron wasn't having a 200% increase in his stats at home like jordan was
@@benlazzopina-wy9om No, LeBron just gets called out by NAME as a DRUG CHEAT multiple times by MULTIPLE athletes for using PEDs, with no denial or comment from him, his Klutch camp, or the MEDIA. But LeBron got smoke 💨 for EVERYTHING & EVERYONE else at the slightest bit of criticism.🤔 His wife AND his trainer were also mentioned by NAME in the infamous biogenesis scandal, his PR guy Rich Paul was CLEARLY CAUGHT picking up PED’s for a client with the initials LJ, with AGAIN, no comment from LeBron’s camp, the NBA or the basketball media in general. But let’s look at Michael Jordan’s steals from the 1988 season, 36 YEARS AGO, courtesy of a journalist closely affiliated with Klutch Sports;….😆😆😆😆 Whether you’re a fan of MJ or LeBron is largely irrelevant at this point. You can’t be this NAIVE.🙄🫠 You just CAN’T.🫣
Lebron won’t stop until he beats MJ in the media, because he cannot come close on the court. He and his company will destroy MJ and his era in the minds of the newer fans going forward. He knows he can’t convince the 100’s of millions of mature fans he is even top ten because we lived through real b-ball and saw real greats. But by poisoning the minds of the newer gen kids/adults, and with the stat padding, he will be declared goat by these new gens eventually, when they become the majority. He is playing the long game just like the devil. The truth always reveals slander and lies for the thinking person though. So even though they are attempting to suppress the truth by controlling minds through the media, with fraudulent articles like this, it will come out as evidenced by this video and others. Not sure if y’all know, but Nick Wright admitted to having a hand in this article. That’s all you need to know.
All facts except one thing , that is his name is Nick Wrong. LOL. I will die knowing Jordan and Kobe are the 2 goats and only w basketball gods. I say that because I truly believe you can't get better than Jordan or Kobe. Theyliterally had 0 weaknesses in their games on offense and defense. LeGM sure the hell ain't on their level. Kobe ram from Shaq to show he was that dude LeGM runs to help to win there's a difference. D Wade said he called LeGM to team up because Kobe was to great.
Preach the facts. And let's look at LeGMS 3 fake MVPS. How you mvp with the loaded teams ? D🌹 was a the MVP and LeGM fans say LeGM with his loaded team should've been mvp over D🌹
It's all just become hilarious. I don't even know how we can take this stuff serious anymore. I mean Jordan basically kept teams from winning championships for an entire decade and LeBron won't win 4 in 30 years
Now wait a minute they said you can’t count steals and blocks because those stats don’t tell the whole story on defense but now they are saying his DPOY shouldn’t count because his stats don’t count??
They are clowns. They failed to mention the 2nd and 3rd place finisher on DPOY had very much inflated home/away split too that year, and it wasn't like the vote was close either that a couple base point in steal and block would have tilted the result. This is even not mentioning the fact that a guard averaging let's just say it is 2.5 steals and 1 block is already insane. If you just look at his away stats, which I would say is probably deflated if the scorers are given so much freedom, he easily should have won DPOY based on just that.
Hilarious how Haberstroh is trying to say Mike was the only one who benefited from home cooked stats, when everyone did by his logic. Haberstroh never says anyone who deserved DPOY more than Jordan. Keep in mind, this is the same guy in 2017 who said LeBron was better than Jordan with only three rings at the time.
What baffles me is I can make the argument that Jordan away game stats aren't accurate so it seems as if the home stopped him.... when will LeBron stop🤦🏾♀️
@@theqrazylady0724yeah Haberstroh literally said that away stat keepers undervalued these stats for star players, so if you take the home and away steals and put them together, it’s over three a game anyways. Still sounds like a DPOY to me
@@MaximusR93Jordan won dpoy because he had 200 steals and 100 blocks that season and he accomplished that feat 3 times and no one else has ever done that to this day.... that's why he won and deserved that DPoY award.
@@2robjenkins No the score keeper didn't. He actually didn't have any quotes from any score keepers associated with the Bulls. In fact he didn't even co.lare MJ vs other guards because it would've destroyed his narrative. Ah, a biased clutch affiliated reporter making a hit piece, color me surprised 😮 .
@andrewcook1246 Any proof about the flagrant foul thing? Also, MJ simply said he wouldn't play on the dream team if IT did. He didn't whine or complain like LeBron does seemingly every game.
@@gggyy7104 did you watch the video? It basically refutes this BS pseudo-analysis, but sure, let's say his numbers are inflated, MJ still dominates this fake "debate". He dominates it so bad people have to dismiss the entire 80s-90s to raise LBJ's case. Apply that same scrutiny to Lebron and the results will be hilarious
@@gggyy7104 because he doesn't play defense. When you look at his assists however, they are overinflated. He'd get an assist for passing to AD, even thought AD made his own individual move to score.
@@stavrospavlides2093You mean the video that debunked literally nothing? The video that was made by one of the biggest Jordan meatriders and Lebron haters? That video? This Uncut Hoops guy literally saw undeniable proof that Jordan’s steals and blocks in 1988 were fraudulent, and thus his DPOY is also fraudulent, and instead focused more on Lebron and ‘Klutch’ than Jordan getting exposed. We both know if it was ever found out the Cavs statisticians were literally gifting Lebron steals and blocks, he would say “Lebron EXPOSED for fake stats” but for Jordan he has to find a way to dodge and deflect. Lebron could cure cancer and Jordan could literally do a Karl Malone and Uncut Hoops would still support Jordan and find a way to bash Lebron
So the next person in line for DPOY was Mark Eaton. If you're saying the Utah Jazz statistician cooked the books for Stockton, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would've done so for Eaton? And Eaton still finished 2nd. Same for Alvin Robertson who finished 4th I believe? Now we gotta look at Hakeem Olajuwon too no? Or how about Haberstroh, who admitted to being a Klutch Sports hack, saying that things looked fine the year before and after. Well guess what, Jordan still got over 200 steals and 100 blocks in 1987, had better stats overall than Michael Cooper, and didn't win it. And on top of that, Haberstroh says he's got 6 full games right? Publish them in full so we can all see for ourselves. I'll wait for that to happen though...... As for not being able to get away with it in today's game, wasn't there the one of the highest discrepancies for JJJr last year, but upon reviewing the full year they said the stats were ok? So yea, do the same thing. Publish the games, in full, for everyone to view. I feel like I can guarantee they will never do this. Instead, "Trust Us, Klutch Sports, That Jordan Is Overrated" What a joke.......
Jordan’s defensive stat the year prior are literally near identical. If anything he unintentionally makes a case that Jordan should have won it in 87 as well💀
AOH made a video 7 months ago on how they inflate Lebron stats. Ball tipped to Lebron by teammate is a Lebron Rebound/steal, ball tipped by Lebron to teammate is a Lebron rebound/steal. Passes where teammate takes a couple dribles, pumpfakes, posts up and hits a fadeaway, it doesn't matter that's a Lebron assist. The nerve of these Lebron lackeys looking at 6 game streches from 35+ years ago when year after year it gets more egregious how Lebrons team gets outragious freethrow advantages and he gets every stat handed to him!
Exactly and thats the whole scheme of modern nba stats. It’s no wonder triple doubles are so common now. It’s wild what is considered assists these days. Also, traveling/carrying don’t count anymore either- which result in a lot more points. Records in today’s era are like records in baseball’s steroid era - everyone knows they’re inflated intentionally.
Having watched MJ since he was in college, he really deserved at least 3 dpoys. No one played defense with his tenacity and energy but he was pouring in 35+ppg with insane moves and dunks so his defense was overshadowed by his offensive ridiculousness. I know for those people who missed MJ completely It seems impossible that somebody could dominate at that level so there must be some reason but yeah, he really was simply that good. It's like when Wilt scored 50ppg you assume he had some crazy advantage and he did - the average center was 6-8 at that time. So you assume MJ had some unseen advantage but in his case, it was just that he was really that much better than anyone who will ever play. At the time, I knew that and I would always say that it's incredible that he even existed at all.
Despite all the numbers, the eye test does not lie. MJ was both an offensive and defensive God and never gave up on a play because of a turnover unlike someone I won't mentionned but everybody knows who it is. Also, let's say you remove the DPOTY trophy, he is still so far ahead.
Mark Eaton in 1988: Blocks credited from 41 home games - 176 Blocks credited from 41 away games - 128 Home cooking happened with _everybody_ but as UH says, playing at home is quite a bit easier, you get to sleep in your own bed, no travel, fans love you, familiar surroundings etc etc Away is the opposite _and_ there is also bias happening against away players. Stat trackers are going to be much harsher on away players, especially superstars, because of inherant bias. This is something Haberstroh is obviously not smart enough to consider because he never looked at away games to see how those stats attributed to Jordan compare to what's on film. Also, conveniently, they looked at games that are not available for public scrutiny. Funny that... Oh well, at least he's probably enjoying his new Tesla thanks to that Klutch check...
Yeah and Lebum stats for rebounds and assists are inflated because the 2010 era has rebounds just fall in your lap and assists where you hand off the ball to the guy next to you and he jacks up a three.
No one put him in the group conversation. He put himself in there and then all his idiots followers believe him.. Just because LeBron says he’s the goal does not mean he’s to goat. It’s just sad what an embarrassment he is to the nba and how he hast to pay the media to come up with lies to make other Hall of Famer look bad in order to move himself up. It’s just a shame and I’m sorry but LeBron just has to go. He is what is wrong with the NBA today.
The article is talking about MJ stat pad. but somehow this channel finds it way to Lebron James. Lebron is living rent free in MJ fans head. IDK maybe because deep inside they knew LBJ is the better player
I remember when assists were only counted when a player made a shot after receiving a pass if they didn’t dribble the ball. Nowadays they will count an assist for anything except leaving the arena between receiving a pass and making a shot.
This is bull$%& and clear desperation from lebron fans because he is on the verge of retirement. Because lebron never plays defense now they are questioning MJ's? Even if this was true why wait 36 years later to bring this up?
Bron fans just doing anything to try to eliminate Jordan now 😂 it’s getting pathetic. First they tried the “MJ didn’t have a left” narrative now they saying he faked stats. I even started seeing some ppl say “if u didn’t see MJ play live in the 90s, he can’t be your goat” lol
Habestroh has been a bit of a hack for a few years now. He has always put out articles that are meant to stir things up and drive conversation. Without the controversy, he wouldn't be talked about. He is a product of the media landscape of today. Work for clicks or be buried.
Great video! About time somebody put this mess in proper perspective. There is no great player that hasn’t received the benefits of being great. Just like there is no player that has received every benefit from being great. #MJISTHEGOD
Lesteroid & Clutch Sports are beyond embarrassing! 🤦♀️ They need to just give it up already! 😩 Lesteroid will never surpass Jordan or Kobe despite what all the Lesteroid stans and media says. ❌
Nick Wright called it Pulitzer worthy journalism and then admitted he consulted on the article. To say nothing of the fact that Lebron's stats are still being inflated to this day.
Ah yeh isn't that their main goal. Tom clown is the same person that T mac shut down in National TV when he said Dirk is most clutch in Kobes era because he shot 34% kobe 27%. Then T mac came back why are you not saying Rudy Gay is the most clutch he's at 45% and Tom became silent.
Assists are the most egregious stats in basketball. Notice that basically, all the assist leaders come out of the west just like the best defensive players come out of the east. West coast offenses helped stat padding for assist and steals.
@@fourtubers7490 That was the problem not Lebron not winning but Gasol having better defensive numbers across the board than Lebron and not making 1st team all defense
It not like never won a DPOY award make you a bad defender. Tim Duncan also never won one in his career would you say he is a bad defender? No. Well DPOY is always a joke to me anyways, you could be looking at stats this year and looking at court impact next year. Well that also mean winning a dpoy is impressive, you won one from the shitty rule, that must mean you are extremely good defender.
cant wait for the day Bron retires. Funny thing is, whenever a star is on the rise, they dont get compared to LBJ. MJ is the standard of goatness and greatness.
The craziest thing to me is not 1988. It's 1987 MJ avg 2.9 spg and 1.5 Bpg yet DIDNT EVEN make an all DEFENCE TEAM INSANE. Yet Rodney Mcray made 2nd team avg 1.1 spg and 0.7 bpg🤷♂️🤦and he was 1st team the following season with even worse stats.
Michael Jordan worked extremely hard for everything he accomplished in the NBA. It is absolutley disgraceful that people like Nick Wright, Tom Haberstroh, and others try to discrdedit Jordan's accomplishments to try and promote a player who took shortcuts (PEDs, forming super teams, etc.) his whole career.
Both of the LeBron assists that he showed in this video are types of assists that every player always gets credited with as they should... That being said, I have reason to believe that the "hit piece" that was put out is not accurate as they claimed that the Nets were only credited with 9 turnovers in Jordan's 10 steal game, but when I went back and triple checked the Nets were actually credited with 22 turnovers... I wish everyone could learn to put whatever biases they may have to the side and just be real.
Lebron & klutch sports take all the fun and sportsmanship out of the GOAT debate,I’ve never seen a person who is in the GOAT conversation be so desperate and petty try and be seen as the GOAT.MJ,WILT,KAREEM,ETC.All the great ones did was play the game and let the numbers speak for themselves.Things like this on Lebron behalf only knock him further down the list as far as I’m concerned.Lebron is not even on my mt Rushmore no more I have MJ Wilt Kareem & Kobe all guys who played the game without trying to change the narrative
It's good that you pointed out how differently they count assists in todays NBA than before. Back when MJ played you had to shoot the ball right after getting it for the other player to get a assist on their stats. That's just not the case anymore, now the player who gets the ball can dribble a bit, make a play on their own, and the other player still gets the assist on their stat line. It's a joke.
That long road trip was called the "Circus Trip." Every year at that time, the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus would come to town and setup in the Chicago Stadium, and later the United Center. It would kick both the Bulls and the Blackhawks out on the road for two weeks. It was brutal. They ended it in 2018.
I just want somebody to explain how Jordan had 8 steals in a half at Boston garden in 1988 an nba record. Jordan had nine steals Total that game. Jordan was a demon stealing the ball in 88 Jordan has three steals titles LeBron none. Jordan should have multiple dpoys
Lebron fans are like a cult. It's fascinating and disturbing. They jumped all over the "2011 heat weren't stacked" narrative and made even bigger fools of themselves.
Greatest career is still Jordan. LeBron has nothing but longevity stats. 6x titles 6x finals mvp 5x mvp 10x all NBA first team 9x all defense first team 1x DPOY 10x scoring titles 3x steals titles 14x all star 3x all star mvp 2x slam dunk champ 1x rookie of the year Oh, and 2x gold medal winner, no bronze In every facet, LeBron has failed with and without stacked teams. In the NBA and internationally. LeBron has the all time points lead, and really what else? Jordan still has the highest career averages in impact in the per game advanced metrics like bpm, per, ws/48, etc whereas LeBron and Kareem Duke it out over the longevity metrics like vorp and total win shares. Seriously, finally, the question is would you rather have Jordan's career or LeBron's career, and I think it's safe to say the vast majority would choose Jordan. It's not close
@@greggibson33 the only issue I have with wilt is that his resume doesn't include winning. When wilt won, it was because he toned down his game big time to got into a team concept. Jordan was the first and only one to combine mega stats with mega winning. Kareem came closest, but his years of mega stats didn't really include mega winning. He started mega winning in the latter years of his career when he was older and on the way down. Russell was THE mega winner, but he was never a person producing mega stats. That was wilt. That's how I look at all these pantheon greats
@@MGPCycling Fair enough, but there's context as well. Wilt had the misfortune to play for years on shitty teams against a totally stacked Boston. MJ was basically the same. Lost first 7 years against better teams then started winning with better talent.... but just individually no one comes close to Wilt's dominance. People can try to argue for MJ and Kareem but it falls short.
@@greggibson33 but that's the thing. Jordan continued to produce mega stats even when he finally started winning. Wilt never produced mega stats on either of his two championship teams. In fact, the one team in Philly that beat the Celtics, he toned down his scoring big time and they crushed them. The two years before winning the chip in 1967 he put up 32ppg. The next year he dropped his average by 10ppg and they crushed the Celtics. The following year he decided to go back to individual production and led the league in assists. Great. But they lost again In every year wilt prioritized hours own stats, the team lost. Only two times did he truly sacrifice for the team concept, and those were the two times he won. That's all I'm pointing out. It was even stated during his career that he was too focused on his stats than the team concept, and that's why Russell always beat him. Jordan was the only one who didn't have to sacrifice his mega stats and still won at a mega rate. He played 11 full seasons with the bulls and won 6 titles in that time. That's an insane win rate only matched/bested by Russell who didn't dominate individually, and magic who had a stacked team from the moment he entered the league.
@@MGPCycling "That's all I'm pointing out. It was even stated during his career that he was too focused on his stats than the team concept, and that's why Russell always beat him." You make it seem like it was Wilt's idea. That's false. Hannum, the coach of Phila told him to score and rebound as much as he could because that was the only chance they could win because they SUCKED. The fact he lost to Russell is because his teams were obviously STACKED with HOFs. That goes to the point MJ didn't win until surrounded by talent and the best coach. His scoring did dip some, but he's was always the first scoring option. Didn't Curry win 4 chips and also score big? He didn't sacrifice numbers to win.
I was there. We all knew that mJ was being marketed as the next superstar and he was replacing Bird, Magic, Kareem, Dr.J & Moses etc. When MJ was critisized for not passing and not playing D, his assists numbers and stocks increased dramatically. Everyone knew the stats people in Boston would never give assist for things Chicago was calling an assist for Jordan. It was common knowledge and all part of the Jordan brand marketing pushed by the NBA & Jordans reps. The guy who made this video is not a real journalist. The piece in yahoo sports is real journalism with game footage and stat keepers to back it up MJ fans hate Lebron for being better than MJ They gonna hate him more now
Not even surprised. Typical Klutch/Lebron hypocrisy. It's like Lebron complaining Lakers don't get enough calls. I've seen one ridiculous 'assist' by Lebron, where he passes the ball to a player in/near paint... he holds the ball for few secs, dribbles out to 3 point line and does his move to drive in for a layup and lebron gets the assist lol.
"up for the layup... Oh! blocked by James!" funny how the greatest defensive play in clutch time of a game 7 is lebron when he obviously isnt clutch and never plays defense.
I love this channel and I think it’s laughable that anyone thinks LeBron is better than MJ. LeBron is fantastic. He’s one of the few athletes of this era that’s performed at such a live level being nearly 40. With that being said 1:55 by Hill and the pump fake J from Love are both assists for LeBron. If those didn’t count as assists a guy averaging 6-7 would bde the league leader. Keep up the great work. I love how you bring in old school clips to show kids how the game was still basketball and these guys had sitting and dancing.
@@Marc-e3cJordan played in a dilluded 6 team expansion decade where despite playing 2x the amount of playoff series as Russell did and supposedly waaay better competition he went to a measily 3 seven game series in 15 years. Bill went to 10, won all in 13 seasons. So who really faced better comp? Jordan for his 2nd 3peat had 4hof on his team vs an avg of 1.5 hof'ers for the opposing teams. Now you know a lil history and can stop looking like a kid online
The NBA has ruined itself with these atrocious stats compilations. The assist was never given to a passer if the receiver of the pass took even ONE dribble = compared to today where one or two dribbles are allowed???? This is why it is impossible to compare era's. The NBA has been watered down with ridiculous assist giving, massive traveling violations, not to mention the palming and carrying of the ball by the dribbler. And load management??? The current NBA is a joke and has been for about ten years now. Thank you for this video
Great take. Traveling and carrying over is ok now. Step back 3 is also traveling. All the rules help the offense, never the defense. The NBA is a joke.
Stats back then had little effect on who won DPOY or even made an All-Defensive team. The year prior to MJ’s DPOY, the Bulls finished with a 40-42 record and had the 7th ranked defense. Yet MJ didn’t finish top 5 in DPOY voting, and didn’t even make an all-defensive team. The next season, the Bulls posted a 50-32 record (good for top 5 in the league), and had the 1st ranked defense. MJ only had 23 more steals and 6 more blocks compared to the season before, and won the DPOY convincingly. People cared more about if your defense helped the team win lots of games, and if you led them to being a highly ranked defense overall.
MJ was so good he quit TWICE cuz there was nothing left to accomplish. Meanwhile Lebron's "longevity" keeps accomplishing less in more time and with more talent around him
The biggest issue with Tom’s argument is every MVP caliber players stats are inflated. It’s subtle until you see Shai Gilgeous-Alexander taking 3s up 20 because he has to average 30 points every night.
What is often never acknowledged, let alone examined, is a point AOH made several years ago regarding the obvious stat manipulation the NBA performs for LeBron's shot/rebound/assist totals. If you go back and watch his Lakers game breakdowns, you will be sickened by what scorekeepers often regard as credited assists and rebounds. Half-court LeBron passes, where the shooter catches the ball and dribbles 25+ feet to the basket, are often scored as assists for LeBron. Rebounds where both LeBron and a teammate both touch the ball, are often awarded to LeBron, even if his contact is incidental or out of control. It's grotesque and far and away worse than anything the league or the hometown scorekeepers may have done for MJ. Until that's acknowledged, I don't want to hear another word about MJ.
I am a love of the 80s and 90s basketball and slowly fell out of love with the game. I wanted to know why people think everything go so laxed in the sport? Carries, double dribbles, traveling, credited stats, etc.
Let us also remember that back in Jordan's time, the refs still whistled for travel violation, nowadays many stepback 3's would be nullified as travelling
Woe to the NBA because the narcissist is getting desperate, having great wrath, knowing he has only a short amount of time left. -- The Narrative 12:12
its ridiculous at this point... barely 2 months ago Lebron claimed he should have won DPOY, which he shouldn't have... Gasol had better stats. If anything Gasol was robbed of 1st team defense. which by the way dpoy and 1st/2nd team defense are voted on by two different groups. Anyway, lebron brings up dpoy and now all of a sudden Jordan's DPOY is in question.... can't beat him... lie on him.
Ive been saying for a decade at least and have been called nothing but a hater. LeBron is THE BEST...manipulator this game has ever seen. Goat for sure on that one and I'm glad more and more ppl are coming around to obvious truths
Greatness does not involve tearing the past down because you cannot meet it's greatness Edit: really great detailed video, great research and perfect execution
The fact that they didn't talk about 87 with the numbers being that similar is odd enough, aswell as the discrepancy in home and away numbers affecting other players, and not just steals and blocks. But the point you made about the 86 dpoy winner specifically was what made me believe most of it is bullshit. There has been a surprising amount of evidence against that 88 Jordan campaing on twitter, but I wish common sense was as present too. It's crazy that you debunked a week of toxicity and accusations with an 11 minute long video
The biggest lie is keeping the name “Klutch”. It should be “Walks off the court before they take the L Sports” or “4-6 Sports” or “I turned LA into a joke sports”
This getting ridiculous! James is destroying the history and the present NBA dude needs to hurry up and retire! Jordan the greatest and there’s nothing James can do or pay somebody to say some outrageous nonsense! So Jordan footage is all there but I seen him play I don’t understand how you can try and change history this is crazy!
Klutch Sports has no shame. It's clear what the agenda is, and they're no longer even keeping it a secret.
Phil Jackson called it out years ago. Kevin Durant called it out years ago. They were both attacked by the LeBron-led media.
This guy wrote an entire article based on six games, and he didn't even bother to watch games of the other players who were finalists for DPOY.
The guy who wrote the article admitted he did it to try and get Lebron back into the “GOAT debate”. It’s pathetic
Exactly!!! The entire issue is, he is a "Clutch affiliated" reporter that wrote an article whose purpose was to put doubt on MJ's award. But he then says he's unbiased???
Not only that, he claims that the stat scoring is subjective, chooses 6 games out of 41 home games, and does not even list the "criteria for steals. While using only MJ and comparing no one else.
All of this while not even listing how MJ would've benefitted from the so called "stat stuffing". The entire article is literally a hit piece and only serves it purpose to be used as ammo for Lebron mouth pieces.
I’m sure after this fails miserably they’ll be another narrative put out
THIS is the subject of this video??? When I saw the title in my Yahoo feed I SPED past the article.
Chasing a ghost, smh………..how full of shi do they have to be??
LeBron is LeDrake "A master manipulator and a habitual liar too" through Klutch sport.
Bron can’t claim to be the GOAT without attack and diminishing another player. MJ doesn’t have to hate or diminish that right there shows who’s the GOAT.
Jordan fans been attacking Bron before he even played a single nba game. Thats why he's the goat lol. Y'all been hella insecure since before he was even old enough to join the league. Thats some next level ish
That's what irks me about it. Stuff like this creates a massive divide because anyone who isn't a Lebron James fan sees this as a grift. It makes the rest of us try to overcorrect and bash Lebron when he objectively is one of the best players ever but this stuff makes most NBA fans hate him.
bron didn't attack him, the person who wrote the article did lmao like what are we talking bout here
Facts. I went to school for business management. In this field, if you're advertising a product to the consumers but also talk down the competitors product in order to promote yours, then your product is considered trash in the business world. It's bad business strategy. You must let the product speak for itself, and you should never bring up anything about the competition you're facing. That's how we know the LeBron product is trash.
@@LeGoatOnTop Tom Haberstroh did this in an attempt to tarnish Jordan to make Lebron look better. This is the grift being played on the fans. Nick Wright has already been outed as being on Klutch Sports payroll. It's a team of people propagating this Lebron-GOAT nonsense to grift money.
Go ahead. Take away those steals and blocks. No one gives a fuck. Jordan is still the GOAT by far and LeBron still isnt even second.
In fact, take away the whole 1988 season if you want, doesn’t change that fact 😹
Yep.... top 5, maybe. And that's charitable.
Lebron is not even top 5
That's what makes the most mad, throw out the stats and just watch the tape. It's a joke man.
@@greggibson33not even close to top 5
Nick Wright who's a Klutch sports client helped with this "research". He openly said it on his show. It really shows that theres a forced narrative that LBJ should be the goat.
You know how many media have Jordan Brand stock shares and deals with Nike and ESPN?
We already know one bad word about Mike and you're getting blackballed xD
Yep, am article by a biased reporter doctoring stats to fit a narrative...
@@andrewcook1246 Do you know how many media plants are there that have connections to Klutch sports? Thats why you never hear anything but positive towards LBJ.
Theres also only Nike stock, which owns the Jordan brand xD
@@andrewcook1246who are these people? Who got blackballed? I’m curious cause it don’t sound like you have names to put to these
He has gotten more annoying with each year; I pretty much despise him now(I'm not that way in general) bc he's such a good example of what went wrong. You just maybe spice up expert analysis, but you better be careful with that, and mainstream sports media went absolutely nuts with the clownery and "hot takes"...so actual agendas like Klutch can go under the radar amongst all that nonsense. It's almost ALL just comedy now, for channels like this, and that's real messed up.
Lebron the first athlete to hire industry plants
the first and only
LeBron create narratives to boost his greatness, rather than prove it on the court. He is an insecure coward when it comes to competition
And if a guy is willing to that, what else is he willing to do...?(cough cough steroids)
haha lets blame bron again
@@fullmetal1766 You're comical if you don't think NBA itself isn't an "industry" .
LeBron fanboys should be the last ones to call someone stats inflated
Dam right my friend!
Preach!
PREACH
Didn't Jordan fans use the same argument for decades when it came to Wilt Chamberlain?
@@spaltersar source?
It’s literally disgusting that people can’t deal with superiority and excellence and try to tear you down because the guy they are tying to promote can’t cut it. Lebron’s whole generation of followers are literally devaluing humans
Saw you in the chat of the live stream on GJK. Scrolling through the comments it’s hilarious how you don’t see any of the groupies on that channel here. 😂
Can't they see that LeBron gets a lo of extra free throws every game just by flopping and intimidating the refs.
So basically, what you're saying is that Jordan would have easily averaged a triple double in today's game.
He would raise the entire floor of the league. Played nearly every dang minute, every season.
Why would he average a triple double. He never had high assist amounts.
@@greggibson33He played point guard for a 24 game stretch. Averaged 30 pts, 11 assists and 9 rebounds as a point guard. Not a stretch to believe in this era when you can pass the ball and someone makes multiple moves to shoot counts as an assist. A lot of missed free throws and get a rebound. And we know he would definitely get double digit in points.
It's not that simple. He wouldn't average a triple double on just ANY team.
@@greggibson33in caseypu didnt know when MJ played the point guard he averaged 10 triple doubles in 11 games😎
Listen even without MJ DPOY Jordan would still be considered the GOAT. I guarantee some who think Jordan is the GOAT have no idea he won DPOY.
It the overall player that Jordan was that makes him the GOAT.
Undefeated in championships 2x 3peat, several gold medals, changed the course of Nike, most of all changed how the NBA is perceived of this planet.
Does Lebron have any dunk championships
Better yet does he Presidential Medals of Freedom. I mean we can get into the woods on all these awards but it wouldn’t make any difference.
Jordan is the GOAT because he didn’t take any shortcuts, and how he played the game.
LeFRAUD is the worst thing that ever happened to the world of basketball.
🤣🤣 Uncut with a Magnus Copus video not debunking ANY facts provided by the article. MJ is the most fabricated NBA player of all time and the level of help David Stern & the NBA had in his favor is only the tip of the iceberg. Enjoy the exposure of your idol, this is just the beginning
@@LL-zm9goyour funny 😅😅
If you read the narrative Nick wright was referring to you would have already came to the same conclusion. They're just banking on people as usual not doing any fact checking@@LL-zm9go
@LL-zm9go coming from someone who's never seen him play. You forgot something. Jordan didn't play in the 50s. There's footage of this entire season. Go Watch it! Smh I can't stand yall.
Lebron doesn't have fans he has STANS
Karl Malone
What the LeMedia doesn’t understand is it’s not about stats. Yes MJ has all time stats but so does Lebron. It’s about winning, dominance and excellence. That’s the criteria
Any player you could put in the top 15 has stats and earily comparable compared to the average amount of games between them.
In the scheme of it all, how much does MJ averaging slightly more points matter? How much does it matter than for his career Lebron had 1 whole rebound and assist more per game?
Like you said especially when it comes to the supposed top 5 their stats honestly are eerily similar which means unless we're talking advanced metrics, who cares.
To be the greatest, you gotta be better at winning than others. No that doesnt simply mean 'most chips' but its HOW you won these chips and when you lose its about HOW you lose.
For example there are zero chips that Lebron has won that I'd put at the level of the chip Nowitzki won.
Ultimately, Lebron sure as hell is a better player, but all his chips were either playing on the clearly best team in the league or clearly second best.
So he didnt just lose a lot of finals, he also only won finals that he was SUPPOSED to win.
@@Herosennin Well stated 🫡
Lebron won 4, no less than 2 were with a super team, no less than 2 he had a teammate(s) bail him out.
MJ has 6, the discussion ends there.
crazy how mj did nothing without scottie and phil jackson, but yeah .. winning dominance i guess 😂😂
@@fourtubers7490 funny how lebron relies on good players to get him anywhere barely over 500 every year, and then takes all the credit and tries to get them traded and then blames other teamates for why he loses.
I literally just watched an AOH video where he breaks down how inflated James' stats are.
And his assist stats are HYPER overrated.
How can any real basketball fans take this self aggrandizing stat padder seriously?
cause they aren't basketball fans, they're Lebrona's groupies, they've never seen real basketball, just the video game version that's played this days.
lol like AOH & his viewers are “real basketball fans”. AOH is a degenerate casual with no basketball knowledge who panders to simple minded casuals who purely rely on nostalgia and bias. AOH is not anyone to cite lmao
the real inflated stats are the current nba with its non-existent defense.
Defense* and there is defense in the NBA today but it's harder to play defense due to the rules and the spacing. Defense actually takes skill now.
Stay in school, kid.
@@BaithNa English is not my first language but sure whatever.
@@BaithNa, you big mad 😂
It's not nonexistent it's just more common to see players not participating in defense.
@@BaithNa In British English, “defence” is standard.
In American English, “defense” is the only correct spelling after they had to change the language. Maybe get out of school and see the world and learn history and find out the world doesn't revolve around American spelling.
You know what makes this Jordan and James thing so crazy???Mike don't ever respond to the dumb shit 😅😅😅😅
Why should he. He played the game gave 100 percent and left it all on the court.
Exactly! The man played all out his entire career. You can't say the same thing about Lebron, though.@@leonardjackson6210
@@leonardjackson6210Never cheated the game. Worked on his weaknesses
To be fair, Jordan takes shots at LeBron all the time. Name me the time LeBron took a shot at Jordan.
@@MistahUnknown when did Jordan himself say something directly or indirectly at Lebron.
This article is beyond stupid. You will find numbers doctoring. You'll also find Lebron and other current NBA players travelling and palming the ball while dribbling. Tired of them trying to tear Jordan down to make Lebron look better.
Acoording to the NBA official rules *An assist is credited to the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a made field goal, but only if the player scoring the goal demonstrates an immediate reaction toward the basket after receiving the pass. Note also that an inbound pass can be credited as an assist if it leads directly to a field goal.*
As was mentioned in the video, two of Lebron's assists that were shown were not as assist according to the rules. As assist is creating the shot for a teammate. Just passing it to a teammate and that teammate beating a defender in isolation is not supposed to be an assist.
The one thing that irks me is this may set a precedent in the future where some NBA legend 20-30 years from now will be talking about current NBA stars the same way.
There's just too much money to be made by claiming to be teh GOAT now. That's all this is. One big grift by Klutch Sports and Lebron James.
Lebron never gets called for offensive fouls. If people want to say Jordan stats were inflated well so is everyone else's.
It's why we don't use stats to say Jordan is better. We say chips, skills and athleticism.
@@MikeBNumba6💯, Chips, skills, athleticism & most importantly, THE EYE TEST.✨
💯It’s pathetic that disrespect towards players of the past used to be considered classless and unfair and now is not only “cool” but an exploitable sentiment for entire media careers.
no one's sayin that there arent questionable instances where someones credited with an action in sports in todays leauge, far from it, there will always be questionable stats as long as sports exist, however lebron wasn't having a 200% increase in his stats at home like jordan was
@@benlazzopina-wy9om No, LeBron just gets called out by NAME as a DRUG CHEAT multiple times by MULTIPLE athletes for using PEDs, with no denial or comment from him, his Klutch camp, or the MEDIA.
But LeBron got smoke 💨 for EVERYTHING & EVERYONE else at the slightest bit of criticism.🤔
His wife AND his trainer were also mentioned by NAME in the infamous biogenesis scandal, his PR guy Rich Paul was CLEARLY CAUGHT picking up PED’s for a client with the initials LJ, with AGAIN, no comment from LeBron’s camp, the NBA or the basketball media in general.
But let’s look at Michael Jordan’s steals from the 1988 season, 36 YEARS AGO, courtesy of a journalist closely affiliated with Klutch Sports;….😆😆😆😆
Whether you’re a fan of MJ or LeBron is largely irrelevant at this point.
You can’t be this NAIVE.🙄🫠
You just CAN’T.🫣
Lebron won’t stop until he beats MJ in the media, because he cannot come close on the court. He and his company will destroy MJ and his era in the minds of the newer fans going forward. He knows he can’t convince the 100’s of millions of mature fans he is even top ten because we lived through real b-ball and saw real greats. But by poisoning the minds of the newer gen kids/adults, and with the stat padding, he will be declared goat by these new gens eventually, when they become the majority. He is playing the long game just like the devil. The truth always reveals slander and lies for the thinking person though. So even though they are attempting to suppress the truth by controlling minds through the media, with fraudulent articles like this, it will come out as evidenced by this video and others.
Not sure if y’all know, but Nick Wright admitted to having a hand in this article. That’s all you need to know.
Espn needs to fire wright, he's also a poison in sports.
All facts except one thing , that is his name is Nick Wrong. LOL. I will die knowing Jordan and Kobe are the 2 goats and only w basketball gods. I say that because I truly believe you can't get better than Jordan or Kobe. Theyliterally had 0 weaknesses in their games on offense and defense. LeGM sure the hell ain't on their level. Kobe ram from Shaq to show he was that dude LeGM runs to help to win there's a difference. D Wade said he called LeGM to team up because Kobe was to great.
Just check how many times referees didn't whistle when lebozo is travelling. His number of turnovers would be comical.
I believe he already is the all time leader in turnovers...
@walterarmentatorres1610 he is. My point is, they talk bullshit about MJ, they have to expect retaliation.
'and' STILL [Lebron] LEADS NBA HISTORY IN TURNOVERS!
His amount of turn overs is laughable....... 😂😂😂😂
Before talking about Jordan’s DPOY we should talk about Lebron’s ROTY😂 Melo should have won it😢
They never gonna talk about that.
Facts
Wade had better numbers in 09. But guess who's the MVp
Preach the facts. And let's look at LeGMS 3 fake MVPS. How you mvp with the loaded teams ? D🌹 was a the MVP and LeGM fans say LeGM with his loaded team should've been mvp over D🌹
It's all just become hilarious. I don't even know how we can take this stuff serious anymore. I mean Jordan basically kept teams from winning championships for an entire decade and LeBron won't win 4 in 30 years
The article came out after LeBron got his no-experience coaching buddy JJ Reddick as head coach. They had to do damage control by attacking Jordan
And we all know jj is the next scapegoat like all the other coaches he got fired .
That clown conveniently left out LeFlop in his analysis
Now wait a minute they said you can’t count steals and blocks because those stats don’t tell the whole story on defense but now they are saying his DPOY shouldn’t count because his stats don’t count??
They are clowns. They failed to mention the 2nd and 3rd place finisher on DPOY had very much inflated home/away split too that year, and it wasn't like the vote was close either that a couple base point in steal and block would have tilted the result. This is even not mentioning the fact that a guard averaging let's just say it is 2.5 steals and 1 block is already insane. If you just look at his away stats, which I would say is probably deflated if the scorers are given so much freedom, he easily should have won DPOY based on just that.
Hilarious how Haberstroh is trying to say Mike was the only one who benefited from home cooked stats, when everyone did by his logic. Haberstroh never says anyone who deserved DPOY more than Jordan.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy in 2017 who said LeBron was better than Jordan with only three rings at the time.
What baffles me is I can make the argument that Jordan away game stats aren't accurate so it seems as if the home stopped him.... when will LeBron stop🤦🏾♀️
Who cares. This Tom guy is the same person who said Rudy Gay was more clutch than Dirk and Kobe.
@@theqrazylady0724yeah Haberstroh literally said that away stat keepers undervalued these stats for star players, so if you take the home and away steals and put them together, it’s over three a game anyways. Still sounds like a DPOY to me
@@MaximusR93Jordan won dpoy because he had 200 steals and 100 blocks that season and he accomplished that feat 3 times and no one else has ever done that to this day.... that's why he won and deserved that DPoY award.
He also didn’t say MJ is the only player too. He said he benefited the most. Comprehension is in the bin
It's a damn shame. Do your research. LeBron clown associates are still lying about Jordan. Pathetic
Jordan literally cried to Stern for flagrants and then cried again to have Isiah kicked off the dream team.
Ya boy was charming soft.
@@andrewcook1246you got any evidence my dear 🧌
Lying? The scorekeeper literally admitted to inflating Jordan’s stats.
@@2robjenkins No the score keeper didn't. He actually didn't have any quotes from any score keepers associated with the Bulls. In fact he didn't even co.lare MJ vs other guards because it would've destroyed his narrative. Ah, a biased clutch affiliated reporter making a hit piece, color me surprised 😮 .
@andrewcook1246 Any proof about the flagrant foul thing? Also, MJ simply said he wouldn't play on the dream team if IT did. He didn't whine or complain like LeBron does seemingly every game.
If Lebron flunkies applied the same level of scrutiny to their savior, LBJ would be in danger of falling out of the top 10
Lebron never had a 75% increase in steals and blocks at home compared to on the road
@@gggyy7104 did you watch the video? It basically refutes this BS pseudo-analysis, but sure, let's say his numbers are inflated, MJ still dominates this fake "debate". He dominates it so bad people have to dismiss the entire 80s-90s to raise LBJ's case. Apply that same scrutiny to Lebron and the results will be hilarious
@@gggyy7104 because he doesn't play defense. When you look at his assists however, they are overinflated. He'd get an assist for passing to AD, even thought AD made his own individual move to score.
@@Arctanis-vt3hlFacts! And he (Lebron) received several points while traveling, and flopping that shouldn’t have counted.
@@stavrospavlides2093You mean the video that debunked literally nothing? The video that was made by one of the biggest Jordan meatriders and Lebron haters? That video? This Uncut Hoops guy literally saw undeniable proof that Jordan’s steals and blocks in 1988 were fraudulent, and thus his DPOY is also fraudulent, and instead focused more on Lebron and ‘Klutch’ than Jordan getting exposed. We both know if it was ever found out the Cavs statisticians were literally gifting Lebron steals and blocks, he would say “Lebron EXPOSED for fake stats” but for Jordan he has to find a way to dodge and deflect. Lebron could cure cancer and Jordan could literally do a Karl Malone and Uncut Hoops would still support Jordan and find a way to bash Lebron
How people compare Lebron James to Michael Jordan is beyond me. LeTatiana isn't even a top 15 player.
Me when im SPED
thats crazy
Top 15 forsure but might be 15th 😂
He can’t compare to MJ but to say he isn’t top 5 is crazy work
Absolutely crazy thing to say here.
So the next person in line for DPOY was Mark Eaton. If you're saying the Utah Jazz statistician cooked the books for Stockton, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would've done so for Eaton?
And Eaton still finished 2nd.
Same for Alvin Robertson who finished 4th I believe?
Now we gotta look at Hakeem Olajuwon too no?
Or how about Haberstroh, who admitted to being a Klutch Sports hack, saying that things looked fine the year before and after.
Well guess what, Jordan still got over 200 steals and 100 blocks in 1987, had better stats overall than Michael Cooper, and didn't win it.
And on top of that, Haberstroh says he's got 6 full games right? Publish them in full so we can all see for ourselves.
I'll wait for that to happen though......
As for not being able to get away with it in today's game, wasn't there the one of the highest discrepancies for JJJr last year, but upon reviewing the full year they said the stats were ok?
So yea, do the same thing. Publish the games, in full, for everyone to view. I feel like I can guarantee they will never do this. Instead, "Trust Us, Klutch Sports, That Jordan Is Overrated"
What a joke.......
Jordan’s defensive stat the year prior are literally near identical. If anything he unintentionally makes a case that Jordan should have won it in 87 as well💀
AOH made a video 7 months ago on how they inflate Lebron stats. Ball tipped to Lebron by teammate is a Lebron Rebound/steal, ball tipped by Lebron to teammate is a Lebron rebound/steal. Passes where teammate takes a couple dribles, pumpfakes, posts up and hits a fadeaway, it doesn't matter that's a Lebron assist. The nerve of these Lebron lackeys looking at 6 game streches from 35+ years ago when year after year it gets more egregious how Lebrons team gets outragious freethrow advantages and he gets every stat handed to him!
Exactly and thats the whole scheme of modern nba stats. It’s no wonder triple doubles are so common now. It’s wild what is considered assists these days. Also, traveling/carrying don’t count anymore either- which result in a lot more points. Records in today’s era are like records in baseball’s steroid era - everyone knows they’re inflated intentionally.
Having watched MJ since he was in college, he really deserved at least 3 dpoys. No one played defense with his tenacity and energy but he was pouring in 35+ppg with insane moves and dunks so his defense was overshadowed by his offensive ridiculousness. I know for those people who missed MJ completely It seems impossible that somebody could dominate at that level so there must be some reason but yeah, he really was simply that good. It's like when Wilt scored 50ppg you assume he had some crazy advantage and he did - the average center was 6-8 at that time. So you assume MJ had some unseen advantage but in his case, it was just that he was really that much better than anyone who will ever play. At the time, I knew that and I would always say that it's incredible that he even existed at all.
Despite all the numbers, the eye test does not lie. MJ was both an offensive and defensive God and never gave up on a play because of a turnover unlike someone I won't mentionned but everybody knows who it is. Also, let's say you remove the DPOTY trophy, he is still so far ahead.
If LeBron came out and said "I didn't do enough to pass jordan" he'd get so much more respect.
leDictator wants to force he's the goat thru the media because he couldn't on the court 😂😂😂
Mark Eaton in 1988:
Blocks credited from 41 home games - 176
Blocks credited from 41 away games - 128
Home cooking happened with _everybody_ but as UH says, playing at home is quite a bit easier, you get to sleep in your own bed, no travel, fans love you, familiar surroundings etc etc
Away is the opposite _and_ there is also bias happening against away players. Stat trackers are going to be much harsher on away players, especially superstars, because of inherant bias.
This is something Haberstroh is obviously not smart enough to consider because he never looked at away games to see how those stats attributed to Jordan compare to what's on film. Also, conveniently, they looked at games that are not available for public scrutiny. Funny that...
Oh well, at least he's probably enjoying his new Tesla thanks to that Klutch check...
Yeah and Lebum stats for rebounds and assists are inflated because the 2010 era has rebounds just fall in your lap and assists where you hand off the ball to the guy next to you and he jacks up a three.
My 13 year old nephew could have hit that three Lebron missed in the playoffs. It's ridiculous to put him in any GOAT conversation.
No one put him in the group conversation. He put himself in there and then all his idiots followers believe him.. Just because LeBron says he’s the goal does not mean he’s to goat. It’s just sad what an embarrassment he is to the nba and how he hast to pay the media to come up with lies to make other Hall of Famer look bad in order to move himself up. It’s just a shame and I’m sorry but LeBron just has to go. He is what is wrong with the NBA today.
The article is talking about MJ stat pad. but somehow this channel finds it way to Lebron James. Lebron is living rent free in MJ fans head. IDK maybe because deep inside they knew LBJ is the better player
You’re delusional lmfao your 13 year old nephew would’ve airballed
@jjmmat133 And here you are in a Jordan video defending Lebron.
@@stambo1983 Your goat quit three times, weak ass man he was
"Jordan had no left" flamed out so they on to the next lie lol
I remember when assists were only counted when a player made a shot after receiving a pass if they didn’t dribble the ball. Nowadays they will count an assist for anything except leaving the arena between receiving a pass and making a shot.
This is bull$%& and clear desperation from lebron fans because he is on the verge of retirement. Because lebron never plays defense now they are questioning MJ's? Even if this was true why wait 36 years later to bring this up?
Absolutely great video. You completely showed the bias of the article
Bron fans just doing anything to try to eliminate Jordan now 😂 it’s getting pathetic. First they tried the “MJ didn’t have a left” narrative now they saying he faked stats. I even started seeing some ppl say “if u didn’t see MJ play live in the 90s, he can’t be your goat” lol
They’re afraid because one day Lefraud retires and he will be forgotten in the GOAT convo and it will be someone else who will be compared to MJ.
@@aljilhano5822They're scared that the BALCO federal investigation article will come to light and show that he purchased and used PEDs.
I heard a rumor from Nick Wright that Jordan never actually won a championship either…it was just a stat inflated by the league 😂
Up next, Pippen , wearing a Jordan mask actually made those game winning shots and not Jordan.
That's not what happened. They edited all videos so it made Jordan look good😂😂
Uncut Hoops the Real GOAT! Thank You
Lebron has 4 championships, at a minimum 2 were with a super team, 2 he had a teammate save him.
Jordan has 6👀
4 championships in 21 years after all this team hopping and recruiting when you’re the supposed goat is laughable. His career is so indifferent
Habestroh has been a bit of a hack for a few years now. He has always put out articles that are meant to stir things up and drive conversation.
Without the controversy, he wouldn't be talked about. He is a product of the media landscape of today. Work for clicks or be buried.
Great video! About time somebody put this mess in proper perspective. There is no great player that hasn’t received the benefits of being great. Just like there is no player that has received every benefit from being great. #MJISTHEGOD
Lesteroid & Clutch Sports are beyond embarrassing! 🤦♀️ They need to just give it up already! 😩 Lesteroid will never surpass Jordan or Kobe despite what all the Lesteroid stans and media says. ❌
Those two "assists" by LeBron would have never counted as such under the old FIBA rules.
Okay so let's go back and call every single LeBron travel.
Nick Wright called it Pulitzer worthy journalism and then admitted he consulted on the article. To say nothing of the fact that Lebron's stats are still being inflated to this day.
Ah yeh isn't that their main goal. Tom clown is the same person that T mac shut down in National TV when he said Dirk is most clutch in Kobes era because he shot 34% kobe 27%. Then T mac came back why are you not saying Rudy Gay is the most clutch he's at 45% and Tom became silent.
Michael Jordan’s MVP 1988 Legacy goat 🐐
Assists are the most egregious stats in basketball. Notice that basically, all the assist leaders come out of the west just like the best defensive players come out of the east. West coast offenses helped stat padding for assist and steals.
Lebron and Klutch sports will never get over the fact he never got a DPOY 😂
He didn't deserve it. And if he wanted it that bad he should work hard every season until he got it.
@@leonardjackson6210 they literally gave it to Marc Gasol and he didn't even make the first all defense team...
@@fourtubers7490 That was the problem not Lebron not winning but Gasol having better defensive numbers across the board than Lebron and not making 1st team all defense
It not like never won a DPOY award make you a bad defender. Tim Duncan also never won one in his career would you say he is a bad defender? No.
Well DPOY is always a joke to me anyways, you could be looking at stats this year and looking at court impact next year. Well that also mean winning a dpoy is impressive, you won one from the shitty rule, that must mean you are extremely good defender.
cant wait for the day Bron retires. Funny thing is, whenever a star is on the rise, they dont get compared to LBJ. MJ is the standard of goatness and greatness.
Lying is all they have left, nothing else.
In the meantime, let's investigate how many points Lebron scored by taking more than 2 steps
The craziest thing to me is not 1988.
It's 1987 MJ avg 2.9 spg and 1.5 Bpg yet DIDNT EVEN make an all DEFENCE TEAM INSANE.
Yet Rodney Mcray made 2nd team avg 1.1 spg and 0.7 bpg🤷♂️🤦and he was 1st team the following season with even worse stats.
Michael Jordan worked extremely hard for everything he accomplished in the NBA. It is absolutley disgraceful that people like Nick Wright, Tom Haberstroh, and others try to discrdedit Jordan's accomplishments to try and promote a player who took shortcuts (PEDs, forming super teams, etc.) his whole career.
LeBron hasn’t played defense in well over a decade
Both of the LeBron assists that he showed in this video are types of assists that every player always gets credited with as they should... That being said, I have reason to believe that the "hit piece" that was put out is not accurate as they claimed that the Nets were only credited with 9 turnovers in Jordan's 10 steal game, but when I went back and triple checked the Nets were actually credited with 22 turnovers... I wish everyone could learn to put whatever biases they may have to the side and just be real.
Lebron & klutch sports take all the fun and sportsmanship out of the GOAT debate,I’ve never seen a person who is in the GOAT conversation be so desperate and petty try and be seen as the GOAT.MJ,WILT,KAREEM,ETC.All the great ones did was play the game and let the numbers speak for themselves.Things like this on Lebron behalf only knock him further down the list as far as I’m concerned.Lebron is not even on my mt Rushmore no more I have MJ Wilt Kareem & Kobe all guys who played the game without trying to change the narrative
It's good that you pointed out how differently they count assists in todays NBA than before. Back when MJ played you had to shoot the ball right after getting it for the other player to get a assist on their stats. That's just not the case anymore, now the player who gets the ball can dribble a bit, make a play on their own, and the other player still gets the assist on their stat line. It's a joke.
they will never bring that up...good point fam!
LeGM strikes again
That long road trip was called the "Circus Trip." Every year at that time, the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus would come to town and setup in the Chicago Stadium, and later the United Center. It would kick both the Bulls and the Blackhawks out on the road for two weeks. It was brutal. They ended it in 2018.
The fact the guy in question who wrote the article is a Lebron fanboy says it all.
I just want somebody to explain how Jordan had 8 steals in a half at Boston garden in 1988 an nba record. Jordan had nine steals Total that game. Jordan was a demon stealing the ball in 88 Jordan has three steals titles LeBron none. Jordan should have multiple dpoys
Lebron fans are like a cult. It's fascinating and disturbing. They jumped all over the "2011 heat weren't stacked" narrative and made even bigger fools of themselves.
10/11 The 2000s Competition passed the Torch
Greatest career is still Jordan. LeBron has nothing but longevity stats.
6x titles
6x finals mvp
5x mvp
10x all NBA first team
9x all defense first team
1x DPOY
10x scoring titles
3x steals titles
14x all star
3x all star mvp
2x slam dunk champ
1x rookie of the year
Oh, and 2x gold medal winner, no bronze
In every facet, LeBron has failed with and without stacked teams.
In the NBA and internationally.
LeBron has the all time points lead, and really what else?
Jordan still has the highest career averages in impact in the per game advanced metrics like bpm, per, ws/48, etc whereas LeBron and Kareem Duke it out over the longevity metrics like vorp and total win shares.
Seriously, finally, the question is would you rather have Jordan's career or LeBron's career, and I think it's safe to say the vast majority would choose Jordan.
It's not close
Great resume. Way better than LeFraud.... but not even in the same stratosphere as peak Wilt.
@@greggibson33 the only issue I have with wilt is that his resume doesn't include winning. When wilt won, it was because he toned down his game big time to got into a team concept.
Jordan was the first and only one to combine mega stats with mega winning.
Kareem came closest, but his years of mega stats didn't really include mega winning. He started mega winning in the latter years of his career when he was older and on the way down.
Russell was THE mega winner, but he was never a person producing mega stats. That was wilt.
That's how I look at all these pantheon greats
@@MGPCycling Fair enough, but there's context as well. Wilt had the misfortune to play for years on shitty teams against a totally stacked Boston. MJ was basically the same. Lost first 7 years against better teams then started winning with better talent.... but just individually no one comes close to Wilt's dominance. People can try to argue for MJ and Kareem but it falls short.
@@greggibson33 but that's the thing. Jordan continued to produce mega stats even when he finally started winning.
Wilt never produced mega stats on either of his two championship teams.
In fact, the one team in Philly that beat the Celtics, he toned down his scoring big time and they crushed them.
The two years before winning the chip in 1967 he put up 32ppg. The next year he dropped his average by 10ppg and they crushed the Celtics.
The following year he decided to go back to individual production and led the league in assists. Great. But they lost again
In every year wilt prioritized hours own stats, the team lost. Only two times did he truly sacrifice for the team concept, and those were the two times he won.
That's all I'm pointing out. It was even stated during his career that he was too focused on his stats than the team concept, and that's why Russell always beat him.
Jordan was the only one who didn't have to sacrifice his mega stats and still won at a mega rate.
He played 11 full seasons with the bulls and won 6 titles in that time. That's an insane win rate only matched/bested by Russell who didn't dominate individually, and magic who had a stacked team from the moment he entered the league.
@@MGPCycling "That's all I'm pointing out. It was even stated during his career that he was too focused on his stats than the team concept, and that's why Russell always beat him." You make it seem like it was Wilt's idea. That's false. Hannum, the coach of Phila told him to score and rebound as much as he could because that was the only chance they could win because they SUCKED. The fact he lost to Russell is because his teams were obviously STACKED with HOFs. That goes to the point MJ didn't win until surrounded by talent and the best coach. His scoring did dip some, but he's was always the first scoring option. Didn't Curry win 4 chips and also score big? He didn't sacrifice numbers to win.
The thing is MJ is so great that even if he dicnt have dpoy he still is the goat by a wide margin
Lebron a over rated rebounder too. Lebron just past Jordan in Offensive rebounds this past season.
Nick 🤡 Jokes lebron james losses 6!!!! finals 😂
I was there. We all knew that mJ was being marketed as the next superstar and he was replacing Bird, Magic, Kareem, Dr.J & Moses etc. When MJ was critisized for not passing and not playing D, his assists numbers and stocks increased dramatically. Everyone knew the stats people in Boston would never give assist for things Chicago was calling an assist for Jordan. It was common knowledge and all part of the Jordan brand marketing pushed by the NBA & Jordans reps.
The guy who made this video is not a real journalist. The piece in yahoo sports is real journalism with game footage and stat keepers to back it up
MJ fans hate Lebron for being better than MJ
They gonna hate him more now
Not even surprised. Typical Klutch/Lebron hypocrisy. It's like Lebron complaining Lakers don't get enough calls. I've seen one ridiculous 'assist' by Lebron, where he passes the ball to a player in/near paint... he holds the ball for few secs, dribbles out to 3 point line and does his move to drive in for a layup and lebron gets the assist lol.
"up for the layup... Oh! blocked by James!" funny how the greatest defensive play in clutch time of a game 7 is lebron when he obviously isnt clutch and never plays defense.
DANG KOBE EVEN TOOK THE JERSEY CHEWING FROM MJ TOO..
😮SMH 🤦♂️
😂
I love this channel and I think it’s laughable that anyone thinks LeBron is better than MJ.
LeBron is fantastic. He’s one of the few athletes of this era that’s performed at such a live level being nearly 40.
With that being said 1:55 by Hill and the pump fake J from Love are both assists for LeBron.
If those didn’t count as assists a guy averaging 6-7 would bde the league leader.
Keep up the great work. I love how you bring in old school clips to show kids how the game was still basketball and these guys had sitting and dancing.
1. Russell : Career 21-0 in winner take all games
2. Jordan : 6-0 in the finals
3. Jabar : 6 rings
4. Kobe : 5 rings
5. Lebron : 4-6 in the finals
Bill played with 12 teams in the league and had 7 hall of famers on his team.
@@Marc-e3cJordan played in a dilluded 6 team expansion decade where despite playing 2x the amount of playoff series as Russell did and supposedly waaay better competition he went to a measily 3 seven game series in 15 years.
Bill went to 10, won all in 13 seasons. So who really faced better comp?
Jordan for his 2nd 3peat had 4hof on his team vs an avg of 1.5 hof'ers for the opposing teams.
Now you know a lil history and can stop looking like a kid online
Magic and Duncan also has 5 rings
@@andrewcook1246 Contrary to what people think, it watered down the talent big time. Half the league was dogshit.
@@andrewcook1246you can't be serious.
Most MJ points came from the free throw line
Because he is the brand
The NBA has ruined itself with these atrocious stats compilations. The assist was never given to a passer if the receiver of the pass took even ONE dribble = compared to today where one or two dribbles are allowed???? This is why it is impossible to compare era's. The NBA has been watered down with ridiculous assist giving, massive traveling violations, not to mention the palming and carrying of the ball by the dribbler. And load management??? The current NBA is a joke and has been for about ten years now. Thank you for this video
Great take. Traveling and carrying over is ok now. Step back 3 is also traveling. All the rules help the offense, never the defense. The NBA is a joke.
Stats back then had little effect on who won DPOY or even made an All-Defensive team. The year prior to MJ’s DPOY, the Bulls finished with a 40-42 record and had the 7th ranked defense. Yet MJ didn’t finish top 5 in DPOY voting, and didn’t even make an all-defensive team.
The next season, the Bulls posted a 50-32 record (good for top 5 in the league), and had the 1st ranked defense. MJ only had 23 more steals and 6 more blocks compared to the season before, and won the DPOY convincingly.
People cared more about if your defense helped the team win lots of games, and if you led them to being a highly ranked defense overall.
MJ was so good he quit TWICE cuz there was nothing left to accomplish. Meanwhile Lebron's "longevity" keeps accomplishing less in more time and with more talent around him
The biggest issue with Tom’s argument is every MVP caliber players stats are inflated. It’s subtle until you see Shai Gilgeous-Alexander taking 3s up 20 because he has to average 30 points every night.
THIS IS SAD AND PATHETIC 😮😢
LeBron assists are inflated,assists must direct lead to a basket
What is often never acknowledged, let alone examined, is a point AOH made several years ago regarding the obvious stat manipulation the NBA performs for LeBron's shot/rebound/assist totals. If you go back and watch his Lakers game breakdowns, you will be sickened by what scorekeepers often regard as credited assists and rebounds. Half-court LeBron passes, where the shooter catches the ball and dribbles 25+ feet to the basket, are often scored as assists for LeBron. Rebounds where both LeBron and a teammate both touch the ball, are often awarded to LeBron, even if his contact is incidental or out of control. It's grotesque and far and away worse than anything the league or the hometown scorekeepers may have done for MJ. Until that's acknowledged, I don't want to hear another word about MJ.
AOH is a degenerate casual with no basketball knowledge & a simple mind. He is no one to cite as a source lmao
The home vs away stats for Jordan changed slightly in all other stats except steals he was almost double.
I am a love of the 80s and 90s basketball and slowly fell out of love with the game. I wanted to know why people think everything go so laxed in the sport?
Carries, double dribbles, traveling, credited stats, etc.
Lebron and his team wake up every single day and wonder what they can do to get 100% of the world to believe he is the goat
Let us also remember that back in Jordan's time, the refs still whistled for travel violation, nowadays many stepback 3's would be nullified as travelling
Woe to the NBA because the narcissist is getting desperate, having great wrath, knowing he has only a short amount of time left. -- The Narrative 12:12
It’s not that anyone truly believes that the stats were “doctored.” It’s the fact that it has come to this for the Lebron camp.
Lmao lebron had nothing to do with this the dude that made the article don’t even like Lebron lmao
its ridiculous at this point... barely 2 months ago Lebron claimed he should have won DPOY, which he shouldn't have... Gasol had better stats. If anything Gasol was robbed of 1st team defense. which by the way dpoy and 1st/2nd team defense are voted on by two different groups. Anyway, lebron brings up dpoy and now all of a sudden Jordan's DPOY is in question.... can't beat him... lie on him.
Ive been saying for a decade at least and have been called nothing but a hater. LeBron is THE BEST...manipulator this game has ever seen. Goat for sure on that one and I'm glad more and more ppl are coming around to obvious truths
Lebron doesn't have a DPOY award so they're trying to strip MJ of his; you can't make this shit up.
Greatness does not involve tearing the past down because you cannot meet it's greatness
Edit: really great detailed video, great research and perfect execution
The fact that they didn't talk about 87 with the numbers being that similar is odd enough, aswell as the discrepancy in home and away numbers affecting other players, and not just steals and blocks. But the point you made about the 86 dpoy winner specifically was what made me believe most of it is bullshit. There has been a surprising amount of evidence against that 88 Jordan campaing on twitter, but I wish common sense was as present too. It's crazy that you debunked a week of toxicity and accusations with an 11 minute long video
facts!!
The biggest lie is keeping the name “Klutch”. It should be “Walks off the court before they take the L Sports” or “4-6 Sports” or “I turned LA into a joke sports”
Alvin Robertson was a great defensive player at his peak.
This getting ridiculous! James is destroying the history and the present NBA dude needs to hurry up and retire! Jordan the greatest and there’s nothing James can do or pay somebody to say some outrageous nonsense! So Jordan footage is all there but I seen him play I don’t understand how you can try and change history this is crazy!