Thank you so, so much for making this video! I actually have a couple more weeks until I graduate and will be taking some time off like you did before applying to graduate schools. Your advice and sharing of your own experience was extremely helpful, I really appreciate it. Hope you are staying safe and healthy during this time :)
This was SO helpful! I majored in psych in my undergrad but went into an MS for speech therapy, and after a year I had to take time off. I’m completely reassessing that career path and feeling called to return to my passion of psychology. Looking into/applying to MFT programs now and seeing if things fit and feel authentic & right. I appreciate your thorough breakdown!
I would love to talk more with you! I have a very similar story but I am someone who has always been passionate about mental health counseling but applied to speech pathology because I thought it was more of a stable career for some reason. However shadowing SLPs I do not enjoy what SLPs do, but my grad program starts next month!!
Anyway if you see this I would love to get in touch because hearing about your experiences as an SLP would be invaluable for me! What have you not enjoyed about it ? Thank you so much!!!
Very helpful and enlightening! Thank you! Planning on going to grad school this fall and have been trying to decide between these similar positions. Much appreciated!
I’m pretty influenced by the narrative approach but I also thought I wanted to be a school psychologist. However I realized being a school psych would be completely against my goals as a provider. So when you mentioned that MFT is way less about “fixing” people you saved me from being stuck and thinking there’s no careers for me ty 😭😭😭
Just came across your video, so informative. I majored in psychology in undergrad (10+years ago) got my masters in Legal Studies but am now coming back to Psychology because I know this is my purpose. But I’ve been trying to figure out which what to do and this blessed me because I’ve been considering MHC and MFT.
I’m in grad school now. Talk to my friend yesterday and he said “Kim a license is a license!” Get the license 😂. Honestly LPC and LMFT can counsel married, families, and individuals. The only thing I may have done differently was went straight through but I’m only saying that now. Lol. My mindset probably wasn’t ready then.
Thank you for this video. Do you think it’s necessary to have both the MFT and MH degree and license if your looking to be in private practice. Also, what are your thoughts about Duel licensed as a LCSW and MFT without a degree or course work in MFT? What University did you attend and did your university offer an online option?
This was a really good video. Thank you for posting. I agree accreditation (e.g. CACREP) is important, but has exponentially driven up the cost of master programs with no evidence in improving client outcomes. It very much feels like a scam and in my opinion has reduced the quality of graduate level education. Nevertheless, I think MFT programs are the best option for persons wanting to work with children and families.
Do you get paid more since you are dually licensed? I'm wanting to do some kind of counseling, working specifically with those in eating disorder clinics. I'm thinking I should be researching more into MHC, but wonder if dual is worth it?
Thank you ❤️, Justine this helped me so much about my interest and field of study . I'm wondering if you can get a LMHC and Art 🎨 Therapy. If you don't mind answering that question 😝 for me
Thanks for the video. It was very helpful. Just want to clarification, is it possible for someone with a masters in marriage and family counseling to get an LMHC, or are additional courses required?
If I am interested in pursuing becoming a therapist who specalizies in the following areas: Addiction, Mental Health, Family Dynamics, Identity, would that align more would being a LMFT or a LMHC?
Hi Justine! Great video! I'm still a little unclear on the difference between Counseling Psychology & LMHC. I'm currently looking to get my Master's Degree but I'm not sure which pathway to choose! I know that my objective is to work with adolescents. I'm less interested in diagnosing and moreso interested in offering practical tools (mindfulness, CBT, etc.)
Danielle Jaen Well, LMHC (or LPC depending on the state), LMFT, LCSW are all licenses. Counseling psych, or just psychology, counseling, marriage & family therapy, social work are the masters degree. Does that make sense? So you get your degree first, and then go for your license. Someone with a masters in counseling psych would either go on to get a PhD or psyd and become a psychologist or they would stop at their masters and get licensed as an LMHC/LPC. (You don’t have licensed, but I struggling recommend it.) You’ll learn diagnosing either way, but won’t necessarily have to do it depending on your job. But it definitely sounds like you lean more towards mental health counselor vs psychologist. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much! That really helps. I had someone explain to me that most issues that adolescents face are rooted in relationships - with themselves and/or with others. I think an LMFT/LMHC dual program might be right for me. There are quite a lot that I've found here in California. But if I go to a school that only has an LMHC program (Boston University), can I sit in the LMFT exam?
Danielle Jaen that’s a great question. You’ll have to look at your state. I know in FL someone with an LMHC can get an LMFT after 2 years, I think that’s the amount of time, and they just have to pass the exam. My masters is in counseling with a dual specialization in both. So I just did hours for both at my internship and that was enough. You’ll likely need specific coursework, internship hours, post grad hours, and to pass the licensure exam for each license.
@@justinej12 you are AMAZING! I am learning a lot with you! If we can get a LMFT after 2 years as LMHC, there is no need to invest in a dual? I am considering LMHC at FIU. Barry would be my second option because of the price. Both are CACREP accredit. Why I would do a dual if I can get the second one in two years. Just trying to understand. Please! Help me :)
For me, yes. Not only am I knowledgeable in two different areas, I also have twice the job options. But that does kind of depend on what sector of work you’re trying to do. I’ve seen jobs that require a LMFT and they won’t take an LMHC/LCPC.
@@justinej12 have you seen jobs that requires LMHC that doesn’t accept a LMFT? I really want to couple’s therapy, but I am afraid not been considered to MHC with a LMFT... help! I’m also considering Barry, but I can’t afford a dual... thank you so much!
@@janifotitorrens4738 I don’t know why I’m just seeing this 🤦🏽♀️ LMFT are usually equipped with the same knowledge as a LMHC, so you’d be fine getting an LMFT and being able to do mental health and individual counseling as well.
A LCSW can do all of this and more. And they are the only masters level clinicians that can accept Medicare. I assume because social work is an older, internationally recognized profession for every sphere of health treatment, especially community based. Remember, the field of psychology is still relatively new, and some of these degrees are especially new and might not be viewed the same way across all positions even if they are accredited. Many of the pure counseling programs end up being a little myopic by hyperfocusing on abnormal psychology and on individual solutions which primarily treat the symptoms.
I agree with most of this…. Social work has been around for wayyyyyy longer and they learn a little bit of everything, which is why they can do so much (not everyone, like myself, wants to do that though...). They can take Medicare, but I don’t know many clinicians that want to deal with medicare…. Medicare was a pain to deal with when was I billing them when I was analyst. I have a few good friends and many colleagues with MSWs and LCSWs who don’t feel as though they have had as much clinical counseling preparation as a psych/counseling degree, but that likely depends on the program. I only disagree with the last sentence, as that wasn’t my experience. My program for counseling only had one ‘abnormal psych’ class, but I can only speak to my experience. Psych program focus a lot pathology. I simply answered the person’s question and they had no interest in doing social work. They were between these career paths. But maybe I’ll do a video on this because it comes up a lot. Luckily, there are so many options for us to all help. I took one social work class in undergrad and new it was for me… I dropped it within a week 🤣 If that had been the only option, I guess I’d have a PhD in psych 🤷🏽♀️
On December 23, 2022, Congress passed the Mental Health Access Improvement Act (S. 828/ H.R. 432) and was signed into law by President Biden. This bill allows LPCs and MFTs to enroll as providers in the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services as Medicare providers. (Source: American Counseling Association)
I’m researching this for myself and finding that MSW carries a bit of a chip on its shoulder 😂 I tease but I’m also serious. I think it’s great to have an expansive and highly contextualized view of mental health but some of us are suited better in other programs. After speaking to many programs, I’m finding that that’s me. So yeah - maybe folks should tone down the MSW supremacy 😂
45 with lots of debt and also considering this, Always been a passion. My two big concerns, however, are salary, and the fact that it’s independent work with no coworkers to build camaraderie with.
I find it interesting that some programs don't outright mention 'Human Sexuality' in their titles...when sex is a huge part of life. I know these issues are being taught...but why be so conservative with the titles...? Because of external entities who might want to donate scholarships? I am finding that programs near larger cities...religious institution or not...actually list 'Human Sexuality'. Like...'keeping it real'. Sex is a small portion of a relationship but without it the relationship is over... just like abortion is only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood but pulls in the most revenue (just an analogy but true nonetheless). What are your thoughts??? It really bothers me...if a program can't just say the word sex in their course descriptions....it says alot about the culture of the program. I am a conservative Christian that likes to keep it real. I'm not the type to say...distract yourself with other activities to weene yourself from sex addiction lol 🤣 I want to get to the root of insecurities.
Two years later and still super helpful. Thank you
Thank you so, so much for making this video! I actually have a couple more weeks until I graduate and will be taking some time off like you did before applying to graduate schools. Your advice and sharing of your own experience was extremely helpful, I really appreciate it. Hope you are staying safe and healthy during this time :)
This was SO helpful! I majored in psych in my undergrad but went into an MS for speech therapy, and after a year I had to take time off. I’m completely reassessing that career path and feeling called to return to my passion of psychology. Looking into/applying to MFT programs now and seeing if things fit and feel authentic & right. I appreciate your thorough breakdown!
Hi Dibs!! If you see this comment will you pm me?
I would love to talk more with you! I have a very similar story but I am someone who has always been passionate about mental health counseling but applied to speech pathology because I thought it was more of a stable career for some reason. However shadowing SLPs I do not enjoy what SLPs do, but my grad program starts next month!!
Anyway if you see this I would love to get in touch because hearing about your experiences as an SLP would be invaluable for me! What have you not enjoyed about it ? Thank you so much!!!
Very helpful and enlightening! Thank you! Planning on going to grad school this fall and have been trying to decide between these similar positions. Much appreciated!
This was so helpful thanks!! Trying to decide between Florida and California too.
I’m pretty influenced by the narrative approach but I also thought I wanted to be a school psychologist. However I realized being a school psych would be completely against my goals as a provider. So when you mentioned that MFT is way less about “fixing” people you saved me from being stuck and thinking there’s no careers for me ty 😭😭😭
Very helpful video, thank you for taking the time to make it!
love the way you put things into perspective! thanks so much, just subscribed :-)
Just came across your video, so informative. I majored in psychology in undergrad (10+years ago) got my masters in Legal Studies but am now coming back to Psychology because I know this is my purpose. But I’ve been trying to figure out which what to do and this blessed me because I’ve been considering MHC and MFT.
Thank you so much!!!
Thank you :). That was very helpful.
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Great video! thank you!! :)
I’m in grad school now. Talk to my friend yesterday and he said “Kim a license is a license!” Get the license 😂. Honestly LPC and LMFT can counsel married, families, and individuals.
The only thing I may have done differently was went straight through but I’m only saying that now. Lol. My mindset probably wasn’t ready then.
I saw a job that only takes LCSWs just the other day. So no, a license isn’t a license. But I understand in theory what your friend is trying to say.
Very helpful, and you have the everybody's friend vibe :D
omgggg thaank you!
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Thank you for this video.
Do you think it’s necessary to have both the MFT and MH degree and license if your looking to be in private practice.
Also, what are your thoughts about Duel licensed as a LCSW and MFT without a degree or course work in MFT?
What University did you attend and did your university offer an online option?
This was a really good video. Thank you for posting. I agree accreditation (e.g. CACREP) is important, but has exponentially driven up the cost of master programs with no evidence in improving client outcomes. It very much feels like a scam and in my opinion has reduced the quality of graduate level education. Nevertheless, I think MFT programs are the best option for persons wanting to work with children and families.
Do you get paid more since you are dually licensed? I'm wanting to do some kind of counseling, working specifically with those in eating disorder clinics. I'm thinking I should be researching more into MHC, but wonder if dual is worth it?
Great video! I’m considering therapist or counseling
Thank you ❤️, Justine this helped me so much about my interest and field of study
. I'm wondering if you can get a LMHC and Art 🎨 Therapy. If you don't mind answering that question 😝 for me
LPCC's in California have the same scope as LMFT's. Other states may be similar. (As of 2023)
Thank you so much for explaining the difference.
Thanks for the video. It was very helpful. Just want to clarification, is it possible for someone with a masters in marriage and family counseling to get an LMHC, or are additional courses required?
How did you get licensed as both LMFT & LMHC??
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If I am interested in pursuing becoming a therapist who specalizies in the following areas: Addiction, Mental Health, Family Dynamics, Identity, would that align more would being a LMFT or a LMHC?
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What school and program you attended for graduate school?
How did you pursue your dual license requirements?
How did you know MFT was your niche?
Hi Justine! Great video! I'm still a little unclear on the difference between Counseling Psychology & LMHC. I'm currently looking to get my Master's Degree but I'm not sure which pathway to choose! I know that my objective is to work with adolescents. I'm less interested in diagnosing and moreso interested in offering practical tools (mindfulness, CBT, etc.)
Danielle Jaen Well, LMHC (or LPC depending on the state), LMFT, LCSW are all licenses. Counseling psych, or just psychology, counseling, marriage & family therapy, social work are the masters degree. Does that make sense? So you get your degree first, and then go for your license. Someone with a masters in counseling psych would either go on to get a PhD or psyd and become a psychologist or they would stop at their masters and get licensed as an LMHC/LPC. (You don’t have licensed, but I struggling recommend it.)
You’ll learn diagnosing either way, but won’t necessarily have to do it depending on your job. But it definitely sounds like you lean more towards mental health counselor vs psychologist. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much! That really helps. I had someone explain to me that most issues that adolescents face are rooted in relationships - with themselves and/or with others. I think an LMFT/LMHC dual program might be right for me. There are quite a lot that I've found here in California. But if I go to a school that only has an LMHC program (Boston University), can I sit in the LMFT exam?
Danielle Jaen that’s a great question. You’ll have to look at your state. I know in FL someone with an LMHC can get an LMFT after 2 years, I think that’s the amount of time, and they just have to pass the exam. My masters is in counseling with a dual specialization in both. So I just did hours for both at my internship and that was enough. You’ll likely need specific coursework, internship hours, post grad hours, and to pass the licensure exam for each license.
@@justinej12 you are AMAZING! I am learning a lot with you! If we can get a LMFT after 2 years as LMHC, there is no need to invest in a dual? I am considering LMHC at FIU. Barry would be my second option because of the price. Both are CACREP accredit. Why I would do a dual if I can get the second one in two years. Just trying to understand. Please! Help me :)
Hi thanks for this video are there any online Master programs for Mental health counselling with the accreditation you mentioned
could you do a video about your grad school experiences?
Yes definitely! Give me a week or two 😊
Video has been uploaded answering your question
Have you found that being duly licensed has been beneficial?
For me, yes. Not only am I knowledgeable in two different areas, I also have twice the job options. But that does kind of depend on what sector of work you’re trying to do. I’ve seen jobs that require a LMFT and they won’t take an LMHC/LCPC.
@@justinej12 have you seen jobs that requires LMHC that doesn’t accept a LMFT? I really want to couple’s therapy, but I am afraid not been considered to MHC with a LMFT... help! I’m also considering Barry, but I can’t afford a dual... thank you so much!
@@janifotitorrens4738 I don’t know why I’m just seeing this 🤦🏽♀️ LMFT are usually equipped with the same knowledge as a LMHC, so you’d be fine getting an LMFT and being able to do mental health and individual counseling as well.
A LCSW can do all of this and more. And they are the only masters level clinicians that can accept Medicare. I assume because social work is an older, internationally recognized profession for every sphere of health treatment, especially community based. Remember, the field of psychology is still relatively new, and some of these degrees are especially new and might not be viewed the same way across all positions even if they are accredited. Many of the pure counseling programs end up being a little myopic by hyperfocusing on abnormal psychology and on individual solutions which primarily treat the symptoms.
I agree with most of this…. Social work has been around for wayyyyyy longer and they learn a little bit of everything, which is why they can do so much (not everyone, like myself, wants to do that though...). They can take Medicare, but I don’t know many clinicians that want to deal with medicare…. Medicare was a pain to deal with when was I billing them when I was analyst. I have a few good friends and many colleagues with MSWs and LCSWs who don’t feel as though they have had as much clinical counseling preparation as a psych/counseling degree, but that likely depends on the program. I only disagree with the last sentence, as that wasn’t my experience. My program for counseling only had one ‘abnormal psych’ class, but I can only speak to my experience. Psych program focus a lot pathology.
I simply answered the person’s question and they had no interest in doing social work. They were between these career paths. But maybe I’ll do a video on this because it comes up a lot. Luckily, there are so many options for us to all help. I took one social work class in undergrad and new it was for me… I dropped it within a week 🤣 If that had been the only option, I guess I’d have a PhD in psych 🤷🏽♀️
Yes, as an LCSW I completely agree. Go LCSW route
On December 23, 2022, Congress passed the Mental Health Access Improvement Act (S. 828/ H.R. 432) and was signed into law by President Biden. This bill allows LPCs and MFTs to enroll as providers in the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services as Medicare providers. (Source: American Counseling Association)
I’m researching this for myself and finding that MSW carries a bit of a chip on its shoulder 😂 I tease but I’m also serious. I think it’s great to have an expansive and highly contextualized view of mental health but some of us are suited better in other programs. After speaking to many programs, I’m finding that that’s me. So yeah - maybe folks should tone down the MSW supremacy 😂
I'm 47 years old. Is it too late to pursue this career??
Your never too old to follow your dreams 🙂
@@kellyann3919 thx...I'm on the fence. Bless up
45 with lots of debt and also considering this, Always been a passion. My two big concerns, however, are salary, and the fact that it’s independent work with no coworkers to build camaraderie with.
I find it interesting that some programs don't outright mention 'Human Sexuality' in their titles...when sex is a huge part of life. I know these issues are being taught...but why be so conservative with the titles...? Because of external entities who might want to donate scholarships? I am finding that programs near larger cities...religious institution or not...actually list 'Human Sexuality'. Like...'keeping it real'. Sex is a small portion of a relationship but without it the relationship is over... just like abortion is only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood but pulls in the most revenue (just an analogy but true nonetheless). What are your thoughts??? It really bothers me...if a program can't just say the word sex in their course descriptions....it says alot about the culture of the program. I am a conservative Christian that likes to keep it real. I'm not the type to say...distract yourself with other activities to weene yourself from sex addiction lol 🤣 I want to get to the root of insecurities.
Great information but music was a little distracting.
How to decide ? Easy DONT DO IT
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