Taking a look at 1A50 12.48 Holyhead - Euston last Friday compared to times from This Friday, it appears there’s no change in travel time. That might be down to reduced dwell times at stations en route though.
I look forward to trying those, but I hope "firm" doesn't become painful after 20 minutes, the GWR trains from Paddington to Reading are ok for that time, but anything longer would be nasty
Personally, the firmness didn’t really affect me, and I didn’t get up with a sore bottom. But ive also personally never had this issue with the previous 80X. I think the rest of the IXT team would agree here. It depends on how others feel! Go for a ride and see what you think! The team and I would all be happy to hear your feedback! Thanks for watching and hope to have you join us again!
Honestly how hard is it to design a soft comfy train seat. The intercity 125 and 225 had perfect seats. Why is there this whole trend of firmer seats. They are just super uncomfy!!!
They are built to a different standard. However GWR IETs have seemed to have gone through some modifications as their IETs are seemingly much more sturdy and smoother to travel on! Thank you so much for joining us! We hope to see you again!
@@IntercityXtravellers Remember, many were specified to be EMUs. Then the OHLE upgrades got cancelled and had to hastily have diesel generators installed. This led to all sorts of problems in the beginning of service.
Multiple units will soon be able to go at a maximum speed of 125mph on the WCML within the next few months, regardless of tilt. The new signage is in place but bagged over until the new limits are introduced. Rugby-Coventry and Penkridge-Stafford are already 125mph non-tilt.
@@ajtrainsIn theory, if the signalling was upgraded to in-cab on the Trent Valley, the trains could even reach a speed of 140mph on the fast lines. Also, in order to get to 125mph, non-tilt, some sections of track have been reworked.
@@ZLDSmogless it’s not so Much down to them not being able to Tilt. It’s as Scottish Crew, to our knowledge, haven’t been trained up on them. This could change in the future as the units themselves are cleared or part cleared for Scottish routes. Thanks for viewing!
I know it is a relatively a minor thing but I am so glad the announcements now say "and.... the terminating station" because it annoyed me so much they didn't before.
@@Ro99they would just say for example “welcome aboard this avanti west coast service to London Euston calling at Birmingham International, Coventry, Rugby, Milton Keynes Central, Watford Junction…” then just cut off
If they go to Scotland, we should see English and Scottish Gaelic. “Fàilte air bòrd an t-seirbheis seo Avanti West Coast gu Glaschu Mheadhain. A’ gairm aig: Milton Keynes Central, Coventry, Birmingham Eadar-nàiseanta, Stèisean Sràid Ùr Birmingham, Sandwell agus Dudley, Wolverhampton, Crewe, Warrington Cidhe a’ Bhanca, Wigan an Iar-thuath, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme Sgìre Locha, Penrith airson na Lochan a Tuath, Carlisle, Tobar na Màthar, agus Glaschu Mheadhain”
To be fair, Welsh is an officially used language in England, so they're required to use it. In the same way you can sit your driving test in Welsh if desired (even anywhere in England), this is because wales is (from a parliamentary standpoint) effectively an extension of England, as the Welsh Assembly has very little power beyond finances, unlike the Scottish parliament. Scotland however is the only place where Scottish Gaelic is officially spoken, so as an English operator they have no requirement to use it, even though it would be nice.
@@shihanthetrainspotter Wait.....so these are the replacements for the uncomfortable, noisy and ridiculously small 4-car long distance CrossCountry diesels? Hallelujah!!!
where you caption saying about they were not traveling at high speed. ANY nontiliting train is limited to 110MPH on the west coast. And specifically where that caption was placed the line speed is 90MPH
Thanks for watching and the kind words! Personally, the Avanti first class product is nice! But looking back in hindsight, the seats on the older 80X seem better in our opinion!
You can take a short run with loco hauled stock between Crewe and Manchester with the TfW loco hauled trains. Those are basically IC225 coaches just hauled by a class 67 diesel.
Standard Class is covered from 10:39 onwards. We were also “Plebs” on part of the journey, and the entire return journey. If you haven’t already seen it, please do have a look! Thank you for joining us!
They are replacing voyagers on all lines. I would say gradually, but there were a lot out and about yesterday. If you see the link about the “Evero” information, it will show you the routes they will appear on 🙂. Thanks for watching!
I hope they get the Welsh announcements right. Some of the announcements on TfW’s trains are grammatically wrong, and will drive you nuts if you know the language!
Cannot answer for the Avanti announcements as none of us here at IXT can speak Welsh, well not without butchering it! 😅🤣. But no, seriously, if it’s anything like the Avanti Voyagers, it should be okay! Thank you for watching. Hopefully you heard the announcements at the beginning and can confirm how good the Welsh is! 🙂👍🏼
@@IntercityXtravellersFrom what I could hear, they sounded OK. I did suck my teeth at 1:56 at “i’r gwasanaeth yma” but I did check the Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru and it says that “yma” is OK for “this” when it follows a noun that’s preceded by the definite article (“‘r”), though I might’ve preferred to miss out the article and say “i gwasanaeth hon”.
So what was wrong with you not buying a cheap day return between Crewe and Chester so you could review this train running on diesel? Review incomplete.
Here’s the response to Your question: 1. We have personal lives at IXT, be it myself or any other person. You don’t know our schedule or plans. We have limits. We also work. So sometimes we can’t always go as far as we’d like 2. How do you know that we won’t be returning to travel beyond Crewe at a later? (This is indeed planned) 3. We want to keep the videos under 20 minutes. 4. Whilst a ticket to Chester isn’t an issue, we decide where we go and when. We will indeed be venturing further afield to Holyhead, but it won’t be in this video. Thanks for watching
@@IntercityXtravellersNon-tilt trains will soon be able to reach 125mph on the line since works have taken place on the line. The main advantage to this train set is acceleration though. In theory, if the Trent Valley fast line could have their signalling upgraded to in-cab, the could even run up to 140mph on this section. From what I gather, Coventry to Rugby is 125mph ready.
That's about 5mph slower on the average speed than a 390. I did that trip in a 390 back in February and it averaged about 95mph with a top speed of 130mph on one of the downgrades.
Depending on the route yeah, North Wales coastal is fine with 5 cars. But between the big cities of London, Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham definitely need double 805s alongside the 7 car class 807s and the class 390s.
still Pendo will be best than these horrid and uncomfortable 800 class trains, i had to travel down cornwall to one and back from paddington, hated it.
@@a.rentertainment2232 who knows if they eventually will? Also another thing on these 805s I hate the new voices I much prefer Emma lintern announcements
The seats are different on the Avanti class 805 and 807's have the same seats as the refurbished class 390's. Also the interior lights ain't as bright as on older IEP's so there are small improvements, tho it still doesn't beat the class 390's of course.
@@a.rentertainment2232 Honestly myself the only issue i have with the voyagers is the windows that causes issues with phone signal (ive done the scotland to penzance on a ALR) however i would never travel standard class in one either seems cramped.
I love the avant train they're wonderful ❤
They certainly are!
You Mean 'Avanti'?
1:39 something i like about the classes before the 805 was the wooden wall panels to be honest.
Yeah. It’s a bit weird without them!
13:19 gosh the pis system sounds like it needs a redo sound check echo technical fault
Yeah! Hopefully something to be resolved. Thanks for watching 🙂👍🏼
Great video!
Thank you
Very nice!
Not sure if you mean the train or video 😅, nonetheless, thank you for watching!
@@IntercityXtravellers video and train! Overall! All together. Awesome Vid 😃
Is the overall journey time from Euston-Holyhead reduced & by how much please?
I’m honestly not sure. I’ll have a look at times and compare for you. Standby!
Taking a look at 1A50 12.48 Holyhead - Euston last Friday compared to times from
This Friday, it appears there’s no change in travel time. That might be down to reduced dwell times at stations en route though.
Did that woman in First EVER keep quiet?!!!
Nope 🤣
Would I be able to use parts of this video for a short? Will credit you
Sure 👍🏼
A fantastic video, Thank you so much for uploading this video, Take care 😊😊😊😊
No, thank you for spending time to watch it! Hopefully you can join us on more travels 😁👍🏼
@@IntercityXtravellers I certainly will. Safe travels.
I look forward to trying those, but I hope "firm" doesn't become painful after 20 minutes, the GWR trains from Paddington to Reading are ok for that time, but anything longer would be nasty
Agreed about GWR IETs. Its like having a strip of wood within the cushions.
Personally, the firmness didn’t really affect me, and I didn’t get up with a sore bottom. But ive also personally never had this issue with the previous 80X. I think the rest of the IXT team would agree here. It depends on how others feel! Go for a ride and see what you think! The team and I would all be happy to hear your feedback! Thanks for watching and hope to have you join us again!
Honestly how hard is it to design a soft comfy train seat.
The intercity 125 and 225 had perfect seats. Why is there this whole trend of firmer seats. They are just super uncomfy!!!
Avanti IET's just seem better built and more well thought out. I hope GWR will eventually upgrade theirs to match one day.
Properly specified unlike most the 80x fleet plus they will know from past design flaws where improvements where required
They are built to a different standard. However GWR IETs have seemed to have gone through some modifications as their IETs are seemingly much more sturdy and smoother to travel on! Thank you so much for joining us! We hope to see you again!
@@IntercityXtravellers Remember, many were specified to be EMUs. Then the OHLE upgrades got cancelled and had to hastily have diesel generators installed. This led to all sorts of problems in the beginning of service.
I Like Class 805 Everos!
The junction for Stoke doesnt make sense - have you mirrored the video?
No. If you look
Closely, you can see where the line for Stoke diverges.
Class 805 cannot go 125mph on WCML - the maximum speed for non-tilting trains is 110mph.
Multiple units will soon be able to go at a maximum speed of 125mph on the WCML within the next few months, regardless of tilt. The new signage is in place but bagged over until the new limits are introduced. Rugby-Coventry and Penkridge-Stafford are already 125mph non-tilt.
@@ajtrainsIn theory, if the signalling was upgraded to in-cab on the Trent Valley, the trains could even reach a speed of 140mph on the fast lines. Also, in order to get to 125mph, non-tilt, some sections of track have been reworked.
me when I look at class 800 legal speeding in the GWR mainline:
It Can Tilt
Tilt very much active.
Great video I wot class 805 been come to Scotland Glasgow or Edinburgh Waverley
It won't as they can't tilt
@@ZLDSmogless it’s not so
Much down to them not being able to
Tilt. It’s as Scottish Crew, to our knowledge, haven’t been trained up on them. This could change in the future as the units themselves are cleared or part cleared for Scottish routes. Thanks for viewing!
Thank you for viewing! They are currently not scheduled or booked to serve Scotland unfortunately, but let’s what the future holds!
I know it is a relatively a minor thing but I am so glad the announcements now say "and.... the terminating station" because it annoyed me so much they didn't before.
What did they say before?
@@Ro99they would just say for example “welcome aboard this avanti west coast service to London Euston calling at Birmingham International, Coventry, Rugby, Milton Keynes Central, Watford Junction…” then just cut off
@@court692able oh fair enough that is more helpful
@@court692able they didnt on the voyagers
If they go to Scotland, we should see English and Scottish Gaelic.
“Fàilte air bòrd an t-seirbheis seo Avanti West Coast gu Glaschu Mheadhain. A’ gairm aig: Milton Keynes Central, Coventry, Birmingham Eadar-nàiseanta, Stèisean Sràid Ùr Birmingham, Sandwell agus Dudley, Wolverhampton, Crewe, Warrington Cidhe a’ Bhanca, Wigan an Iar-thuath, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme Sgìre Locha, Penrith airson na Lochan a Tuath, Carlisle, Tobar na Màthar, agus Glaschu Mheadhain”
i agree, though when i was in glasgow in january even scotrail didnt use gaelic
Only for use on North Wales line,not Scottish Services.
These won't touch anywhere north of North Wales, I believe
No, we shouldn't.
To be fair, Welsh is an officially used language in England, so they're required to use it. In the same way you can sit your driving test in Welsh if desired (even anywhere in England), this is because wales is (from a parliamentary standpoint) effectively an extension of England, as the Welsh Assembly has very little power beyond finances, unlike the Scottish parliament. Scotland however is the only place where Scottish Gaelic is officially spoken, so as an English operator they have no requirement to use it, even though it would be nice.
Have these been bought in to replace/compliment the existing Pendolinos?
Do they even tilt?
No the pendolinos are staying on Avanti west coast they won’t retire any time soon the 805s and 807s are only replacing the 221 voyagers
The 805s r replacing voyagers on Avanti fleet
@@shihanthetrainspotter Wait.....so these are the replacements for the uncomfortable, noisy and ridiculously small 4-car long distance CrossCountry diesels? Hallelujah!!!
@@AFCManUk the 805s are replacing the Avanti 221s. Unfortunately the CrossCountry Voyagers are still here to stay for now
@@gabrielstravels Ohhh,,,,,Of course. Avanti aren't the Operator of the Crosscountry trains. D'oh!!!
Would Skimbleshanks have approved.
Euston - Glasgow Central - Plain English 😊
Good thing they didn’t use the same hard seats as on LNER and Hull Trains
They aren’t bad. I think the first class seats on GWR, LNER, TPE, Hull are still a bit better, but overall a great product! Thanks for watching!
@@IntercityXtravellers So these are not the same seats as the refurbished 390s?
@@mrvwbug4423 Very similar but there are some very small differences.
These look OK, i hope that GWR can make theirs silmilar in the future, especially with a proper buffet area, better seats and better lighting
Did this use the fast lines throughout or the slow?
Fast likes throughout. Running at 110 throughout the Majority of the journey I believe
The Avanti West Coast Class 805 are very nice. I guess that the Class 807 will also be the same apart from it would be electric only.
Sad to see the voyagers go for Avanti, I should enjoy the 805 and 807 passing my local stations.
Are they going to be as reliable as Avanti?
where you caption saying about they were not traveling at high speed. ANY nontiliting train is limited to 110MPH on the west coast.
And specifically where that caption was placed the line speed is 90MPH
Great video 🎉 Would you say the first class is better or the same as the likes of GWR or LNER class 800s?
Thanks for watching and the kind words! Personally, the Avanti first class product is nice! But looking back in hindsight, the seats on the older 80X seem better in our opinion!
Bring back loco hauled stock on the WCML!
Unlikely for Avanti, but not
Impossible for proposed new TOCs. Thanks for viewing!
You can take a short run with loco hauled stock between Crewe and Manchester with the TfW loco hauled trains. Those are basically IC225 coaches just hauled by a class 67 diesel.
No way. So Avanti West Coast has confirmed that they are now starting to use the Bi-mode Class 805s.
Yeah! Wasn’t expecting it so soon! Thank you for watching!
No problem 😊
It was a shame I was travelling in the opposite direction on the same day on the class 221 😢
When I got to Crewe, I was hoping for a 221 back! Hope you get an 805 soon! Thank you for watching!
What about a look at standard class where us plebs will be travelling
Standard Class is covered from 10:39 onwards. We were also “Plebs” on part of the journey, and the entire return journey. If you haven’t already seen it, please do have a look! Thank you for joining us!
Wait so are the 805x are they reclepong the vogers on that line then ?
They are replacing voyagers on all lines. I would say gradually, but there were a lot out and about yesterday. If you see the link about the “Evero” information, it will show you the routes they will appear on 🙂. Thanks for watching!
@@IntercityXtravellers ok
i recorded this on a foot bridge im pretty sure
I hope they get the Welsh announcements right. Some of the announcements on TfW’s trains are grammatically wrong, and will drive you nuts if you know the language!
Cannot answer for the Avanti announcements as none of us here at IXT can speak Welsh, well not without butchering it! 😅🤣. But no, seriously, if it’s anything like the Avanti Voyagers, it should be okay! Thank you for watching. Hopefully you heard the announcements at the beginning and can confirm how good the Welsh is! 🙂👍🏼
@@IntercityXtravellersFrom what I could hear, they sounded OK. I did suck my teeth at 1:56 at “i’r gwasanaeth yma” but I did check the Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru and it says that “yma” is OK for “this” when it follows a noun that’s preceded by the definite article (“‘r”), though I might’ve preferred to miss out the article and say “i gwasanaeth hon”.
@@arwelp ruclips.net/video/GHiokfOQS6k/видео.html these are the welsh ones
So what was wrong with you not buying a cheap day return between Crewe and Chester so you could review this train running on diesel? Review incomplete.
Here’s the response to
Your question:
1. We have personal lives at IXT, be it myself or any other person. You don’t know our schedule or plans. We have limits. We also work. So sometimes we can’t always go as far as we’d like
2. How do you know that we won’t be returning to travel beyond Crewe at a later? (This is indeed planned)
3. We want to keep the videos under 20 minutes.
4. Whilst a ticket to Chester isn’t an issue, we decide where we go and when.
We will indeed be venturing further afield to Holyhead, but it won’t be in this video. Thanks for watching
Seats look super uncomfortable 😣
They aren’t too bad at all, but this varies per person. I’d say try them out and see how you personally feel! All the best, and thanks for watching!
Achieved max of 111.18mph on EUS-STA with a average of 90.6mph. Consistently is key I guess. Although 125 would have been ace.
Didn’t think it got over 110! Still a good run! Thanks for watching!
@@IntercityXtravellersNon-tilt trains will soon be able to reach 125mph on the line since works have taken place on the line. The main advantage to this train set is acceleration though. In theory, if the Trent Valley fast line could have their signalling upgraded to in-cab, the could even run up to 140mph on this section. From what I gather, Coventry to Rugby is 125mph ready.
@@IntercityXtravellersGPS app is +/- 1mph 😜
That's about 5mph slower on the average speed than a 390. I did that trip in a 390 back in February and it averaged about 95mph with a top speed of 130mph on one of the downgrades.
Ok
1st day in service, still 15 years behind modern technology. Hitachi are not allowed to use the latest technology to sell outside the home market.
You Spelt 'Pendolinos' Wrong!
It's needs to be used in doubles
I returned home on a 10 Car Evero. There were at least two 10 car sets out! Thanks for Joining us!
Depending on the route yeah, North Wales coastal is fine with 5 cars. But between the big cities of London, Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham definitely need double 805s alongside the 7 car class 807s and the class 390s.
Need to work on your spelling/editing. A lot of typos.
As long as you get the gist. Thanks for watching.
PS, Hope
It didn’t take away too much from the video 🙂. Again, thank you for viewing!
@@IntercityXtravellers Of course not, still watched it all 👏🏻👏🏻
@@CommandoG331 thank you! Your feedback is also appreciated! Thank you! Something to keep an eye on! Take care!
Hideous things. The drivers seat in a class 66 offers more comfort. JG.
still Pendo will be best than these horrid and uncomfortable 800 class trains, i had to travel down cornwall to one and back from paddington, hated it.
But what if one had the dastardly idea in replacing the 390s with the 805s 😮
Not like they would…
@@a.rentertainment2232 who knows if they eventually will? Also another thing on these 805s I hate the new voices I much prefer Emma lintern announcements
@@11Daniel2k better not, it would cause outrage lol
The seats are different on the Avanti class 805 and 807's have the same seats as the refurbished class 390's. Also the interior lights ain't as bright as on older IEP's so there are small improvements, tho it still doesn't beat the class 390's of course.
@@a.rentertainment2232 Honestly myself the only issue i have with the voyagers is the windows that causes issues with phone signal (ive done the scotland to penzance on a ALR) however i would never travel standard class in one either seems cramped.
Who put pictures on new trains on a music video? The two dont go together....
If you don’t like it you don’t like. 🤷🏼♂️ onto the next I guess! Thanks for watching anyway. Take care!
Do yk about wha editing up a video is