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I lived by West Hamsptead, I knew about the London Ringways back then (there was a much older video I can't find now?)....but you could see the planning blight still, the massive area that WOULD have been the massive junction. I think nicer stuff is there now, but basically...it was kept in limbo. So yes, it looked like sh*t because nothing of importance could be built there.
Seriously my favourite mini documentary (and I've seen a ton) ever, have watched it over and over again for years - the gags, the music, the info. Just perfection
@@Freeproceeds unless I’m mistaken I think RUclips sends notifications so it doesn’t matter when the video is published. Still cool if Jay to reply anyway though
Dude, it is completely the same situation for me. Jay Foreman has one of the best RUclips channels I've ever seen and I'm surprised I didn't discover him earlier.
As a former south Londoner now in the northwest, I personally like having these major urban roads such as the NCR and A40 Westway that take pressure off the other local roads. And if you drive the North Circular just once or twice you get used to it 😉
i live basically right near the north circular and it acts as a divider that semperates us from the north and centeral of the area we live in,it is convient for national travels and gets us around north london quickly
Fun fact, my grandad worked on the m1 as a 14 year old with his dad, so all those dips that you get along the m1 are where my grandad drove the dump trucks too far back and now that they have rotted away so you have dips in the road.
these are pretty interesting subjects I never thought or cared about before and now I’m completely invested. These are the kinds of videos I love even if they are (shockingly) 7 years old... I love how you filmed this it’s far superior to most the stuff you get on bbc in 2018! And I love how you use the music to signify when you are talking about. The humour is on peak and the way you explain things is clear and easy to understand for simpletons like me and keeps you interested.
When I came out of the army in 97, I was doing some driving agency work. I had a job driving a flatbed wagon weighted up with concrete blocks to reclassify some B road bridges near Swindon. The bloke I was working for was part of the M25 design team, an Irish fellah if I recall correctly. He said that they were given the task of designing a ring road system that would cope with the projected levels of traffic with sufficient spare capacity. They came to the conclusion that the existing M25 route with an additional ring route some thirty miles outside that would be sufficient to cope quite easily. When they submitted their plans, the govt of the day balked at the price and gave the go ahead for just the M25 single ring motorway. Thats why we have the shit show that is the M25 today.
"In fact, very few people on the face of the planet know that the very shape of the M25 forms the sigh odegra in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and means “Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds.” The thousands of motorists who daily fume their way around its serpentine lengths have the same effect as water on a prayer wheel, grinding out an endless fog of low.. grade evil to pollute the metaphysical atmosphere for scores of miles around. It was one of Crowley's better achievements. It had taken years to achieve, and had involved three computer hacks, two break.. ins, one minor bribery and, on one wet night when all else had failed, two hours in a squelchy field shifting the marker pegs a few but occultly incredibly significant meters."
Just to shed some further light on this. A bypass of the western section of the M25 has been conceived in the early 60s and you could consider it 'Ringway 5'. The M31 would of travelled in its shortest form from Reading connecting with the M4, bypassing Bracknell and then down to the M3. The planners also then saw the possibility of further connecting the M31 to the A3, meeting the M25 or Ringway 4 as it was the time with the A3/M25 junction for one massive 3 directional motorway junction. The possibility of connecting this route to the M40 was also there, but this has now been made redundant by the A404 and A404(M). The only section of the M31 built is the A329(M) and the A3290 which connects Reading to the M4 and then to Bracknell. The signs of it being the M31 are there on there section between Reading and M4 J10 on the A329(M) and A3290, as it has a massive central reservation designed to make it 3 lanes wide, and the bridges are designed for 3 lanes each way. On top of that M4 J10 is a massive complex, and is one of only 3 partially unrolled cloverleafs in the UK. Clearly proving that the junction had far greater plans than being an expressway between Bracknell and Reading.
@@ianism3 Induced demand is actually nothing to do with building more roads - induced demand is where travel is rendered necessary whether people like it or not - high property values - exorbitant rents etc. which forces people to live ever further from their places of work - that's induced demand - it's forced upon people. What happens when a new road/rail link is built is what I call Realized Socio-Economic Potential - an example of this is said to be the Erskine Bridge built in the 1970's west of Glasgow - there was plenty of labor one side of the Clyde, but the jobs were on the other - the desire for people to get to those jobs was said to be there, bridge or no bridge - there's no induced demand. Once the bridge was built, people were able to access the jobs - it's call free market capitalism! In general, the more accessible an area, the more business opportunities - it's called economic growth!
This has Tom Scott vibes, Top Gear announcing, And Monty Python Sketches. This is not a coincidence Edit: I didn’t see Tom Scott in the credits. Also stop liking this, I shitpost on my alt account and it becomes my most liked comment lol
@@anarghyasumanth8590 First it was "Unfinished London - Episode 2" then "London's unfinished motorways (Unfinished London ep2)" and now its just "London's unfinished motorways"
Foward Hampstead High street, Forward Rosslyn Hill, Left Pond Street, bear right agincourt road, left mansfield road, forward gordon house road, right highgate road, left lady somerset road, left burghley road, right brecknock road, left southcote road, right tuffnell park road, right onto Holloway Road. Yours, A London Taxi Driver.
A nice line to the A1. Too bad there's no "comply" in there... that's my favorite (oops, favourite) London Taxi term lol. I think it has something to do with roundabouts?
Those topics are probably as old as London herself! As a East Londoner with friends all over we often tease about worst/best bits of London. Generally 'our bit' is deemed the best, as with all these debates. (I'm cool with SE, though I've always lived in NE. North vs South is often perceived as the bigger grudge match, but I grew up in the 80s thinking it was East vs West.. But maybe it was actually more about classism by another name than anything else 🤷♀️ The more things change, and all that!)
London traffic engineers: omg no you can't just destroy thousands of homes to build a freeway you'll destroy the urban fabric and encourage auto dependency American traffic engineers: haha bulldozer go brrrt
10:44 This is an often misunderstood part of city planning. In order to get the cars moving you have to give people the option not to take the car. A channel called Not Just Bikes (I believe) has a bunch of videos on how the Dutch did this by making road design include traffic calming, bike paths, walking paths etc by law throughout the country.
It's amazing, I watched this whole video without noticing how old it was. I genuinely thought him using a Windows XP computer in one scene was an artistic choice.
The thing is I grew up close to a city called Kassel, which the RAF was so friendly to flatten in WW2, the consequence being very well designed streets, that can handle the traffic made by 200k people from and 200k people around the city. Now I am studying physics in a city called Heidelberg which the RAF did not bomb at all in return for the Luftwaffe not bombing oxford and cmbridge. Heidelberg has close to a third of the population of the Kassel area and traffic is dumpsterfire.
I found this channel just this last week before my move to London, and it's been so much fun learning about this weird old city before I go! These videos really have the feel of old infotainment shows I used to watch as a kid in the best way
Motorways don’t have to be ugly like the ones you showed. Look at Japan, the high speed roads don’t interfere with the local communities. It happens that way in London because it’s poorly managed. And living within less than two miles of a high speed road seems perfectly reasonable. Even though your point of using more public transport because more roads create more traffic is valid and proven, big cities still need big roads to be efficient. What London lacks is a balance between big infrastructure and good urban preservation, every project is way to inclined to either side.
Glasgow has a motorway that goes right through the city centre. A large amount of historical medieval and Victorian buildings were destroyed and any street on the wrong side of the motorway lost out on a lot of income. It divides the city is ugly and still cause a lot of anguish to this day.
That obsolete part of the M23 is still there. Me and my friends drove down there in the 80s. You couldn't hear a sound and it was completely deserted. Eerie.
Munich did that. It's a catastrophe having 6-lane motorways in the middle of the city. -_- It divides quarters, it's loud, dangerous and dirty. Also: You are not sitting in a traffic jam, you are the traffic jam.
On a MUCH smaller scale, in Denmark, the city of Odense in 1940s saw the car as the future! So ten-ish years later, the city-counsil agreed on making room for: THE CAR So they demolished a huuuuge part on the central city to make way for the cars with a brand new road. People hated it! It was waaay to big. Totally out of scale. Already 10 years later, everyone in the city council saw it as “a scar in Odense”, and it has been used by city planners around the world as how NOT to do. There is a happy ending: Now, 50 years later, the road has been closed. They are building a new city block, for pedestrians, and a new tram. Its all coming back around :)
It can't be just a question of having decent streets or not though. Look at Tokyo - they have their huge motorways and large streets all across and around the city too, yet everything's clean and traffic's somehow not any more crazy than anywhere else - in fact I found it pretty darn mild. Obviously there's a lot of it, what with there being a lot of people (and businesses), but the excellent public transportation systems does its job regardless. So there might be a way to find a better balance that'd allow for reasonable car traffic if other factors were improved.
Los Angeles got the way it did because of two things: 1) At the same time they built the major freeways, they got rid of most of their public transport infrastructure including most of the trams-- new infra wouldn't be built for decades 2) Excluding the earliest ones, the freeways were planned as part of a country-wide system by the Interstate planning commission, but there was no unified public transport plan (each municipality had its own say). Had the people-movement needs of the city been taken care of, the freeways would mostly be used for priority traffic and trucks/lorries. This isn't the case as it's practically impossible to go anywhere in LA on public transport. People who don't have cars have to use a bus to commute 2 hours to go less than 15 miles. Thus, everyone gets a car as soon as they can, even if they have to sit in traffic.
In Prague we have a fuckin' highway running straight through our historical center, dividing the Wenceslas Square from the National Museum. That's the downside of having communist planners designing your city. But we never finished the ringway after the revolution. We didn't have to because our public transport is amazing. That's the upside of having communist planners designing your city.
@@obamaprism9702 the m25 marks the boundary between the habitable zone and the forbidden zone, where nothing grows, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Anyone who claims to be from beyond the m25 is a liar and must be silenced.
@@obamaprism9702 to me (I grew up in north Southwark) north England starts from hackney and beyond and when I think of none Londoners I imagine gypsies
13 years in and this video feels like it could’ve been made yesterday. Jay absolutely nailed the surrealism that everyone on RUclips uses at least a bit of now
i really used to poo-poo the attitude against putting in all the elevated roads, but since the Alaska Way Viaduct in Seattle was removed, the waterfront just popped and new life is being breathed into it. almost literally as bike paths and those green things from sticks are being planted and all that good hippie stuff
Partly the presenter's haircut but also the rapid editing and 'comedy' sound effects are very 90s, the kind of thing they used to have on Channel Four 'yoof' programmes c.1995.
Yes, driving in London is a pain, but the Ringway would have made things worse. In Munich we built a ring road around the city for billions of euros, the "Mittler Ring", it is jammed solid in peak hours. Germany has many more motorways than Britain, with serious traffic jams. Build for the car, the cars will come.
Man you should see Montreal. The downtown is just full of highways (A10, A15, A19, A20, A40, A720 all run through or into downtown) and those highways are full of cars. 3 of the highways are important long distance roads too, so they carry a lot of foreign traffic as well (for example A15 goes all the way to the US border, and continues as I-87 into New York City). And I haven't mentioned all the other highways that circle or pass near Montreal (A13, A30, A35, A50 and too much more)
Singapore has pretty bad traffic jams as well. A lot of expressways lead to the city center (and I think they're building a new one), and majority of them get jammed packed during peak hours. Even some of the public train lines get so busy they get traffic jams too.
Honestly it's hilarious how many random bits of public transport we have in London, I love it. Obviously buses, trains, tubes, bikes but we have trams down in Croydon, the North Circular, Ferrys across the water, an automated overground, big ass tunnels, canals and even a bloody cable car.
This is interesting, but your public transport is far superior to Britain's (except maybe coaches - Britain's good at long-distance coaches). Britain has a lot of everything, just most of it isn't very good (or insufficient for today).
The Georgia Parameter I-285 always get's jammed up during the evening hours. Used to take me 3 hours to get from Buford Highway to Wesley Chapel until I just decided to go the street way home which takes just one hour.
That small Northern section of M23 always puzzled me why they built such a massive three lane motorway that just goes straight into single lane A23. I did some research on it a little while back and found out about these ambitious schemes to build motorways in London. Good to see it get a mention here :)
I live in Portland (Oregon) and have flown into Los Angeles at night, and yes, it’s just chock full of highways that are completely lit up with the red lights of traffic jams.
projectzip I thought some of the jokes were lame. Why is Patrick Abercrombie played by a naked man? Why is "Graham Roads" a clown? Why did Margaret Thatcher vomit? I thought Foreman's behaviour in front of that former city councilman was needlessly obnoxious.
When I lived in London in the 90's, the Brits had a wonderful idea to expand the M25 with another lane. Well, not exactly expand the M25. They wanted to add a lane by repainting it from 4 to 5 lanes. That's right. Make all the lanes 25% narrower. What could go wrong with that??? (Note: They didn't do it. The members of Parliament woke up one day, and said, "Hang on!! Have we gone crazy?" So, they stopped it. Of course, it did not solve their essential problem --- they ARE crazy.)
curiously, not all the lanes are equal anyway. Lanes 1 + 2 have always been around 3/400mm wider than the standard 3.65m to accomodate HGV’s. Lane 3/4 (on newer sections) tended to be narrower.
I grew up in South London in the 1960s. The spectre of that road being built through or very near us blighted my parents house for years and years and they could never sell it for decent price. Eventually all plans were shelved!
Arjan Wilbie We have a similar thing in Auckland, New Zealand where the Southern Motorway is sometimes referred to as a carpark because of traffic congestion.
I work in a place that scans stuff to become digital copies for all kinds of companies and government agencies. Today I was putting archived maps and plans through a large format scanner detailing the future M25, and all I could think of was Thatcher chundering. Thankyou, I think?
RUclips in 2011: nah RUclips in 2012: nah RUclips in 2013: nah RUclips in 2014: nah RUclips in 2015: nah RUclips in 2016: nah RUclips in 2017: nah RUclips in 2018: nah RUclips in 2019: *this video is finally at the quality standard of this year and we will recommend it*
The real reason this showed up on 2019: RUclips funnels their content based on who has the most media presence. You're only suggested content from who RUclips declares to be the popular kids.
6:19 "In fact there isn't really such thing as the South Circular Road at all. It's just a series of scarcely believable road signs." Ha ha this totally sums up my experience of 30y of driving on the A205!
Ratel.H Badger they recommended it because they knew you'd like it maybe. Man this channel popped up in my feed yesterday and now I'm hooked! This gentleman is impressively intelligent and his comedic timing resembles the most refined of British comedy which is the best in my opinion.
I'm also interested in learning about British geography because somehow it's one of the countries I'm least familiar with on this topic despite it being my next door neighbour (I'm Irish).
Only been to London once, but just about everything was within easy walking distance, and the tube was awesomely convenient, if sometimes startlingly deep underground.
"Tourist London" (which is what most of us who visit go to see) is absolutely suited for walking, busses, or the Tube. What I don't know is how well it's suited for people who live in the suburbs and commute for work.
I live in south east London. South London is huge and has not really got the tube so in the centre it is fine but when you go out a bit it gets really bad.
So, Londoners are just like Melbournians here in Australia. "I want to live close to the city and work, I want to get there in 10 minutes, nut I don't want ugly big freeways, elevated rail lines, or any form of road works to slow me down." See Westgate Tunnel Project, and the Level Crossing Removal project.
It wouldn't work in London. There's 3 times as many people and the city is very old with even underground being at a premium. There simply isn't space and the only real way to improve congestion is improving public transport.
@@arturturkevych3816 do what the Germans do, build a monorail on stilts , high above the streets. Make the monorail cheap to use and see how commuters will ditch the tube , cars and buses. Where there's a will, there's a way. However, there will be the usual silly planning laws, public/private funding issues, finding skilled workforce, setting up a monorail delivery group, strikes.... Too many challenges, better to stay with the old system and leave the problem to fester ....
@@prp3231 monorail didn't prove itself as an alternative to tube, tram or light rail and has failed. Many cities would be better off building a light rail system on a bridge. Much cheaper and higher capacity. I don't know what are you talking about in Germany, since the only famous monorail system there is in Wuppertal on a river and it is successful purely due to the geography of the town. Germany has a handful of monorails that are mostly not in big cities. Many cities like Toronto got rid of it due to monorail being ineffective and it isn't competitive with light rail or tube
Oh those people living between Caulfield and Dandenong got me good. The lot were complaining that the elevated rail line would drive down the house prices. In the end, the house prices went up after it got constructed, not least because the traffic around the level crossings disappeared
Having recently visited England, you guys do have a good rail network that I didn't need to hire a car! (I know you have a whole range of issues with it, but I am comparing to what we have in Canada)
@@GewelReal The American Army 100% communist all state emploit free health care 0% capitalistic. That might be the reason why they shoot children in school busses or cameramen from reuters...the American forces are basically freedom hating comunists.
Look at the third transport ring and Garden ring in Moscow, they indeed literally divide the community and make living in a neighborhood area extremely uncomfortable. Such that currently major of Moscow is narrowing Gardeb ring down. But nothing can be done with the TTR and Moscow circular motorway. Which would be the analog of the third ring motorway of London.
In Paris we have 3 ringways (périphérique, A86 and A104 « la francilienne ») and they are now a nightmare because of too much trafic. Also, the thing about « londoners would identify themselves by which wingroads they were stuck between » is a little bit true in Paris today.
Problem with Paris is massive dummy traffic just going through, added to suburb to suburb traffic (which public transport doesn't do well at all). Not to mention they are no longer wide enough. A86 and N/A 104 were made to be 2×3 / 2×4 lanes, which work way better at carrying lots of dense traffic than 2×2 with occasionnal 2×3 (less vulnerable to disruption). Combined with Grand Paris express, a huge widening program will bring everything back down to acceptable levels. So you then have a better right to choose, and PT workers going on strike wouldn't cause as much as carmagedon. Public transport has a slightly heigher weight that driving if done properly (fairly short and fast). Just like cycling.
@@Spido68_the_spectator Well in Paris, it has been proven that making roads narrower reduces (or at least does not increase) traffic and makes emergency response time shorter
@@Spido68_the_spectator Well of course if you want to widen a road in a non car dependant place it may make traffic better by separating directions for example, but the point is that widening road is *not* a solution *most of the time*
@@bencris2bal511 I looked up the insurance warehouse behind the sign, Michael Scott and Lau, and Google Street View doesn't show a sign there. I guess he just photoshopped the whole sign there.
I wonder if Jay will ever produce a "out-takes" episode of this series (should the footage still exist) I look at some of the setups and think, there's got to be some gold in getting that shot together.
My god, Larry, you're everywhere! Watch Urbanised by the way if you're even remotely interested in this stuff. It's amazing, way more interesting than a documentary about urban planning sounds lol.
***** Nope, you may be able to find it free somewhere around here but otherwise check on iTunes. I think it's like a tenner or something, well worth it, it's very well made. It's done by the same guy who did the Helvetica documentary and Objectified. He's currently doing one about Dieter Rams which should be pretty amazing.
good video. It’s been demonstrated that the average speed of private vehicles is determined by the average speed (including walking and waiting) of the competing public transport. The two modes form a dynamic system with marginal users (who don’t need their cars) determining the equilibrium point. It would be interesting for you to do a video discussing the effect of the “central zone” vehicle tax on London, as well as the high ticket prices on public transport and how they connects with town planning and house prices.
"Transport policy today is almost entirely about measures to reduce the number of drivers". **Looks at cost of train tickets** Are you fucking kidding me??
Vicvic W in France, the railway is not privatised and apart from the so great TGV and the big cities, there are almost no regional trains and it's still expensive
SimonHellinger Yes but it was on time more than current rail franchises. I'm comparing now to then. It's not like these franchises have re-opened them.
Cycleways missing in latest developed Stevenage areas - disappeared with demise of Stevenage Development Corp.' Predestrianised Town Centre, & other areas, now danger zones with cyclists zooming around.
Shelved schemes happened out of London too. Tring by-pass was once M41. M1at Scatchwood & A1at John Tann roundabout were due to link up at one time too. Harlow New Town was layed out with the M11 due to be East of the town.
Hell there, a great highly detailed analysis of the traffic infrastructure of South and North London, in a humorous and accessible way. Keep it up! Cheers Peter
I get that good kind of RUclips energy from this video. I mean, this clearly has way better production value and has something going for it in and on itself, but it has the same energy. I like it. The bong bit catched me off guard. I mean, this dude was ahead of his time. Get it? Brit *bong* ?
Speaking as a chap from Sussex who lives in the west country, I do not use the M25 (I'm not an idiot) when visiting family back in Sussex (or getting back to work). I either drop down on the M27 and then head up through Salisbury on the A36 (mostly fine, except the mess that is the Chichester bypass and Arundel) or I head cross country up through Guildford/Farnborough then up to the M4 by Reading (though at the moment there is the average speed check on that section so I head on the M3 down to Basingstoke then up on the A339 to Newbury and onto the M4). I know no one cares about all this, but this video is so wonderfully British that I am keen to talk roads all of a sudden. I think you put together Brits from anywhere in country and give them two locations in Britain and ask them to plan a route between them and they'll still be discussing possible routes three hours later, and they'll be quite happy doing it.
I avoid driving in and around London like the plague. Luckily I dont need to, as Im a Northerner. I drove from Stanstead back to Cheshire at 1am start, and got home about 5. Bliss.
I live in West Sussex and my family is in Gtr Manchester. It is difficult to drive to visit them without using the M25. It is possible by heading towards Guildford, Farnborough, Bracknell, Reading, then head west to Newbury on the M4 then north up the A34, but the non-dual carriageway sections can be slow (the 30 and 40 mph club are everywhere around here), and I'm not sure it is much, if any better that grinding along the M25 outside peak hours.
ok. Being a Swede who mostly knows London from what can be gleemed through popular culture... is this mayhaps what Douglas Adams was referring to with the "What do you mean with Why do we need them? It's a bypass. We got to build bypasses!" Or maybe it was another project?
The building of and opposition to bypasses is a great British pasttime. We hate sitting in traffic, but we don't want bypass roads built through our countryside. There's always one being built and always everyone hates it (but then drives on it when it is built).
+Matthew Taylor Not just Britain. Australia, too. Back in the 1990s, there was considerable grumbling around Armidale, New South Wales about a bypass for the New England Highway. It got built anyway, and since then it's been the fastest way for anyone living on the north side of town to get to the airport.
Matthew Taylor The bigfrst 2 complaints about bypasses were people who didn't want to see their cohntryside destroyed and people who didn't want to lose their business in their town, since cars would drive around it.
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jmalmsten 'Arthur lay in the mud and squelched at him'.
Interesting & Enjoyable video confirming that I decided a long time ago never to work or live in London. Secondly, just a correction(if I nay be so bold) Britain's first motorway was the M6 Preston Bypass opened 1958 not the M1
I can't believe it was 11 years ago I first watched this, was living in the US but waiting to move home back to London. Seems like a couple of months some days. Keep up the good work.
They started to do a similar thing to Glasgow - the M8 that goes right through the city centre (destroying countless historical buildings and neighbourhoods) is only one half of a proposed inner ring road. The other half would have come right past the cathedral and down the High Street before crossing the Clyde and rejoining the M8 on the Southside. There was such an outcry at the destruction that was caused that all similar schemes were shelved (including the London ones you mentioned and another that would have had an 8-lane motorway going through Princes Street Gardens in Edinburgh, in front of the Castle).
His videos must've been the highest quality videos you could find in 2011, it's seriously shocking how good they are, really wish he posted more these days.
I'm a bit late to this thread but here goes. In the early 70's I was a road safety officer in L B Redbridge, the M11 was supposed to extend down to the Thames and across, linking to the new 'South Circular'. In order to be able to give adequate access to this new road, whilst still giving a good service to the shops in Ilford a serious proposal was that Ilford High Road would have to be made 3 lanes each way. The only problem with this was they would have to demolish all the shops and a hell of a lot of the houses to fit it in!
I came here after I watch your tiktok, can't believe you've been doing this series for years oh my what a great videos! I'm not from London but I really enjoy the knowledge thank you so much
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I do not live in London, or even drive, but I’m still gripped by this fantastic series. A Grade journalism.
Now I'm sure that if you did one, you wouldn't do the other.
@Human Resources not sure if you're joking or if you're serious
its funny cause ive never been to lodon but watching these videos my city of La Paz, Bolivia definitely has very 70/80s london vibe
@Human Resources Grade (A) for this Journalism
A Grade A Under Achiever!
It's shocking how much 2011 energy this has while staying high-quality and entertaining like today's RUclips
I think his videos aged so well because he used documentary style and no references that would age within a month
Your PFP gives off 2009 energy.
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@@jttg the original comment posting person has the name caramelldansen so I posted caramelldansen
“Totally ruining this landsca-uh surely no one cares about this place” that got me good
Me too
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West hampstead is pretty nice actually tbh
first time I found this, that got me for a good three minutes
I lived by West Hamsptead, I knew about the London Ringways back then (there was a much older video I can't find now?)....but you could see the planning blight still, the massive area that WOULD have been the massive junction. I think nicer stuff is there now, but basically...it was kept in limbo. So yes, it looked like sh*t because nothing of importance could be built there.
Seriously my favourite mini documentary (and I've seen a ton) ever, have watched it over and over again for years - the gags, the music, the info. Just perfection
Aw, thanks Mr Mustard. :)
@@JayForeman do you check comments on 11 year old videos? Wow.
@@Freeproceeds unless I’m mistaken I think RUclips sends notifications so it doesn’t matter when the video is published. Still cool if Jay to reply anyway though
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@@TomGibson.They probably have it turned off tho, or their phone would be better called "vibrator"
This guy is very chaotic neutral
that's a rather interesting way to put it
Victoria Fleuty nah, he is providing a good service and educating people, so I’d think more Chaotic good
@@stolasish1184 ....r/whoosh
You mean chaotic natural, with flair!
As a chaotic neutral, I approve of this
I thought the Windows XP was a joke until realizing that this video is from 2011. It feels so much newer!
yeah I thought this was new wtf
Yo same
so? windows 7 was out for 2 years, vista for 5 years.
@@azure2130 you underestimate how popular windows xp was. The only thing that could kill it was Microsoft themselves
Wait it’s that old?
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I am genuinely not quite sure how I have not seen this dudes content until early 2020 but I am loving it.
Quarantine? ))
are you loving that you didn't saw this ddudes content until 2020?
@@Senhordaverdadeabsol I think you know what was meant. Granted, it wasn't worded very well.
Dude, it is completely the same situation for me. Jay Foreman has one of the best RUclips channels I've ever seen and I'm surprised I didn't discover him earlier.
SAMEEE. I'm just a new subscriber
Never has anyone summed up my entire opinion of one road so succinctly as "the North Circular whizzes through the suburbs, like a twat". Amazing.
Had to use it once whilst going to buy a car. Fucking dreadful road. Actually makes me glad I live in South London.
Evil road 😂
As a former south Londoner now in the northwest, I personally like having these major urban roads such as the NCR and A40 Westway that take pressure off the other local roads. And if you drive the North Circular just once or twice you get used to it 😉
i live basically right near the north circular and it acts as a divider that semperates us from the north and centeral of the area we live in,it is convient for national travels and gets us around north london quickly
You should also check out auto shenanigans 😂
Graphics and Animation: Tom Scott
I think I know that guy...
Utkarsh Kaushik Doesn’t he have channel as well?
@@dorsvenabili5573 yes, he does
Titles Music: Beardyman
I think I know that guy as well...
Dors Venabili The Tiger Woman?
Tom Scott is bloody amazing
This is the most British channel I've ever had the pleasure of encountering.
Man, but this is awesome!!
then you haven't seen lindybeige
@@einerjeti yes I have. Fair point.
oh yes
English!
Fun fact, my grandad worked on the m1 as a 14 year old with his dad, so all those dips that you get along the m1 are where my grandad drove the dump trucks too far back and now that they have rotted away so you have dips in the road.
Child labour building roads.... nice
Cool story, also, turg
@@philthornton1382 People started working at that age back then, not really anything to get worked up about now lol
@@leDespicable I’m well aware and wasn’t worked up about it 😂
@@philthornton1382 My apologies then, recognising that with text is a bit tricky lol
I love how Jay could be on the set of any 1970 BBC show and would fit right in.
these are pretty interesting subjects I never thought or cared about before and now I’m completely invested. These are the kinds of videos I love even if they are (shockingly) 7 years old... I love how you filmed this it’s far superior to most the stuff you get on bbc in 2018! And I love how you use the music to signify when you are talking about. The humour is on peak and the way you explain things is clear and easy to understand for simpletons like me and keeps you interested.
The El dude Brothers 666 LIKES
why on earth does it even matter that it is 7 years old. The subject matter he covers is completely pre-1990 for heavens sakes.
@@dariusanderton3760 why does it matter if the subject matter he covers is pre-1990?
agree 100% OP
@@dariusanderton3760 it matters because compared to most stuff on RUclips in 2011 this is a lot more polished and well produced, you numpty
For a channel with only 30k subs, your production quality is outstanding. Subbed.
really amazing
I approve this message! That's a well thought out presentation mate. Greetings from Texas... Cheers
At the end of the clip where he's cleaning it you can see some plastic lift off. It's only barely noticeable.
If you look closely the monitor had a clear plastic sheet on it
8 months ago 30k?
he gained 100k when he did almost nothing :/
Only just noticed he draws on his monitor. The maniac
Not a problem. He overwrites with Tippxx
Obviously it's not his
@@jacktheladfrost why is that obvious? lmao
He puts a transparent sheet of plastic over it, there are bits of blue tack holding it on in the corners.
his monitor. he could smear it with cheese if he want.. 😂😂😋😂😂
When I came out of the army in 97, I was doing some driving agency work. I had a job driving a flatbed wagon weighted up with concrete blocks to reclassify some B road bridges near Swindon. The bloke I was working for was part of the M25 design team, an Irish fellah if I recall correctly. He said that they were given the task of designing a ring road system that would cope with the projected levels of traffic with sufficient spare capacity. They came to the conclusion that the existing M25 route with an additional ring route some thirty miles outside that would be sufficient to cope quite easily. When they submitted their plans, the govt of the day balked at the price and gave the go ahead for just the M25 single ring motorway. Thats why we have the shit show that is the M25 today.
"In fact, very few people on the face of the planet know that the very shape of the M25 forms the sigh odegra in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and means “Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds.” The thousands of motorists who daily fume their way around its serpentine lengths have the same effect as water on a prayer wheel, grinding out an endless fog of low.. grade evil to pollute the metaphysical atmosphere for scores of miles around. It was one of Crowley's better achievements. It had taken years to achieve, and had involved three computer hacks, two break.. ins, one minor bribery and, on one wet night when all else had failed, two hours in a squelchy field shifting the marker pegs a few but occultly incredibly significant meters."
Induced demand doesn't work the same outside the city as it does within. Also the Green Belt would prevent sprawl
Just to shed some further light on this. A bypass of the western section of the M25 has been conceived in the early 60s and you could consider it 'Ringway 5'. The M31 would of travelled in its shortest form from Reading connecting with the M4, bypassing Bracknell and then down to the M3. The planners also then saw the possibility of further connecting the M31 to the A3, meeting the M25 or Ringway 4 as it was the time with the A3/M25 junction for one massive 3 directional motorway junction. The possibility of connecting this route to the M40 was also there, but this has now been made redundant by the A404 and A404(M). The only section of the M31 built is the A329(M) and the A3290 which connects Reading to the M4 and then to Bracknell. The signs of it being the M31 are there on there section between Reading and M4 J10 on the A329(M) and A3290, as it has a massive central reservation designed to make it 3 lanes wide, and the bridges are designed for 3 lanes each way. On top of that M4 J10 is a massive complex, and is one of only 3 partially unrolled cloverleafs in the UK. Clearly proving that the junction had far greater plans than being an expressway between Bracknell and Reading.
@@ianism3 Induced demand is actually nothing to do with building more roads - induced demand is where travel is rendered necessary whether people like it or not - high property values - exorbitant rents etc. which forces people to live ever further from their places of work - that's induced demand - it's forced upon people. What happens when a new road/rail link is built is what I call Realized Socio-Economic Potential - an example of this is said to be the Erskine Bridge built in the 1970's west of Glasgow - there was plenty of labor one side of the Clyde, but the jobs were on the other - the desire for people to get to those jobs was said to be there, bridge or no bridge - there's no induced demand. Once the bridge was built, people were able to access the jobs - it's call free market capitalism! In general, the more accessible an area, the more business opportunities - it's called economic growth!
I've lost absolute track of how many times I've watched this video, and I've never even been to London
Don't go there by car whatever you do
I go by train which is much cheaper and faster.
Yeah im the same. Watched this at least 50 times since it came out, no joke.
You should come, it's a wonderful city.
Same I've watched this video so many times
This has Tom Scott vibes, Top Gear announcing, And Monty Python Sketches.
This is not a coincidence
Edit: I didn’t see Tom Scott in the credits. Also stop liking this, I shitpost on my alt account and it becomes my most liked comment lol
I mean... you are not wrong. (Also, look at the credits)
he did the editing
adam atkinson British humour at its finest
Speaking of British humour, Adam Atkinson, do you know a man named Rowan Atkinson
@@doublevector5270 Isn't he Mr Bean's twin brother?
This should be a full TV series.
thequeenofspades Why are we not funding this?
Holy shit
The government doesn't want the public to know that there can be motorways inside London. So... no TV series.
nobody watches TV anymore. That`s why we are here.
The BBC had a whole hour long documentary on it ages ago.
these videos have become my comfort blanket. when there's nothing else to watch, I turn to unfinished london.
Same here
You'd think they'd have finished by now!
Imagine opening your door to a guy in a high-vis jacket, talking to a camera, "...was on their hitlist," handing you a bomb, and then sprinting away.
...that guy being the same bloke who just blocked you in his car to start a ten minute monologue.
Take a shot every time Jay changes the title or the thumbnail
It's called alcohol poisoning
pay my hospital bill
What was the original title?
@@shrek_has_swag2344 Cries in American healthcare
@@anarghyasumanth8590 First it was "Unfinished London - Episode 2" then "London's unfinished motorways (Unfinished London ep2)" and now its just "London's unfinished motorways"
Foward Hampstead High street, Forward Rosslyn Hill, Left Pond Street, bear right agincourt road, left mansfield road, forward gordon house road, right highgate road, left lady somerset road, left burghley road, right brecknock road, left southcote road, right tuffnell park road, right onto Holloway Road.
Yours, A London Taxi Driver.
A nice line to the A1. Too bad there's no "comply" in there... that's my favorite (oops, favourite) London Taxi term lol. I think it has something to do with roundabouts?
@@james-p yep ;-D
The knowledge Mr. Housegow.
How the hell do you do that.
@@flytrapYTP 3 years of studying and 2 years of examinations.
2011: "why is north london better than south london?"
2022: "why is west london better than east london?"
So you need to live in North-West London
@@lucaslonchampt613 NW London does include areas that are traditionally considered the poshest so, yes
@@emilybarclay8831 Posh isn't always good.
@@mildlydispleased3221 Probably better schools and standard of living
Those topics are probably as old as London herself!
As a East Londoner with friends all over we often tease about worst/best bits of London. Generally 'our bit' is deemed the best, as with all these debates.
(I'm cool with SE, though I've always lived in NE. North vs South is often perceived as the bigger grudge match, but I grew up in the 80s thinking it was East vs West.. But maybe it was actually more about classism by another name than anything else 🤷♀️
The more things change, and all that!)
London traffic engineers: omg no you can't just destroy thousands of homes to build a freeway you'll destroy the urban fabric and encourage auto dependency
American traffic engineers: haha bulldozer go brrrt
Anyone before 1900: bullbozer heheheh
No the bulldozer goes brmbrmbrmbrm
Haha, bulldozer bulldoze urban blight for freeway
That is what we did here in Chicago. Whole neighborhoods --- replaced by freeways in the 50's.
Chicago lost a lot. Don't do it.
And that's on racism.
10:44 This is an often misunderstood part of city planning. In order to get the cars moving you have to give people the option not to take the car. A channel called Not Just Bikes (I believe) has a bunch of videos on how the Dutch did this by making road design include traffic calming, bike paths, walking paths etc by law throughout the country.
@The Stammering Dunce *waves back, now as an avid NJB viewer :D*
Ikr
@@tiaxanderson9725 was that the why I hate houston one? Understood everything I said growing up here all my life in one visit. 😭😭😭
Excellent comment - I was scrolling down to consider leaving an NJB rec myself, but I see I've been beaten by two years 🤭
Somebody give this guy a job at the BBC
+Fantastrix No I wouldn't!!!
Why?
+Ttrucker But he's a white man. Maybe they will hire if he's gay
James Baxter IKR
James Baxter He is certainly enough of a left wing twat to work there.
This feels so timeless. How could this be posted 10 years ago???
It's amazing, I watched this whole video without noticing how old it was. I genuinely thought him using a Windows XP computer in one scene was an artistic choice.
✔️ TECHNICAL CORRECTION: The M1 isn't Britain's first motorway - it's actually the Preston Bypass, which now forms part of the M6.
True. I'm no expert, but a couple of minutes googling suggests the M1 was the first inter-urban motorway, not the first motorway.
@@epiendless1128 maybe so, but that's not what he said. The Preston Bypass IS the first motorway to be built in the UK.
True, but it fell to pieces after the first Winter and had to be rebuilt.
Well it’s the first motorway that mattered anything that has nothing to do with London doesn’t matter duh
Absolutely correct. First motorway Preston bypass. Not in dispute.
London: *Gets bombed
Abercrombie: "It's free real estate."
The thing is I grew up close to a city called Kassel, which the RAF was so friendly to flatten in WW2, the consequence being very well designed streets, that can handle the traffic made by 200k people from and 200k people around the city.
Now I am studying physics in a city called Heidelberg which the RAF did not bomb at all in return for the Luftwaffe not bombing oxford and cmbridge.
Heidelberg has close to a third of the population of the Kassel area and traffic is dumpsterfire.
Abraham Wilberforce Sorry wrong video boomer
@@abrahamwilberforce9824 Cool nice to hear some history :D
@@abrahamwilberforce9824 it gets even better in Dresden...
Litterally
This is like the longest series. Almost 10 YEARS
You're not expecting it to finish are you?
More than 10 years. See the northern line video
The simpsons
Unfinished Unfinished London
@@monkey-sz5jr k
I found this channel just this last week before my move to London, and it's been so much fun learning about this weird old city before I go! These videos really have the feel of old infotainment shows I used to watch as a kid in the best way
I was actually just lighting a joint when the bong came up
I heard the sound and just went "Wait, is he..? Yep, taking a hit from a bong. So that´s how you make Londons infrastructure truly fascinating!"
Looks like we got a badass over here!
@@AA-hg5fk yes smoking a joint like a stoner, how badass. Idiot
@@AA-hg5fk Well, If you're from a state where it's legal it has the same "badass" energy as lighting a cigarette. None.
Man liked a comment on a 9 year old video, absolute legend
Motorways don’t have to be ugly like the ones you showed. Look at Japan, the high speed roads don’t interfere with the local communities. It happens that way in London because it’s poorly managed. And living within less than two miles of a high speed road seems perfectly reasonable. Even though your point of using more public transport because more roads create more traffic is valid and proven, big cities still need big roads to be efficient. What London lacks is a balance between big infrastructure and good urban preservation, every project is way to inclined to either side.
So true
Because we do everything better!
@@wannabehistorian371 weeb
@PikaPluff2040
Am Japanese, actually.
Mind you, the greater Tokyo area is as large as the UK itself.
Glasgow has a motorway that goes right through the city centre. A large amount of historical medieval and Victorian buildings were destroyed and any street on the wrong side of the motorway lost out on a lot of income. It divides the city is ugly and still cause a lot of anguish to this day.
It's very confusing and even though I can't drive I still get scared every time I go on it 😂😂
Only half of it was built as well. That's not to mention all the other motorways planned outside of the central area.
The Mancunian way in Manchester is similarly shitty.
Bob Dylan got stopped by the Police for walking along the M8 in Glasgow.
Man why didn’t you guys leave the UK
That obsolete part of the M23 is still there. Me and my friends drove down there in the 80s. You couldn't hear a sound and it was completely deserted. Eerie.
Munich did that. It's a catastrophe having 6-lane motorways in the middle of the city. -_- It divides quarters, it's loud, dangerous and dirty. Also: You are not sitting in a traffic jam, you are the traffic jam.
On a MUCH smaller scale, in Denmark, the city of Odense in 1940s saw the car as the future! So ten-ish years later, the city-counsil agreed on making room for: THE CAR
So they demolished a huuuuge part on the central city to make way for the cars with a brand new road. People hated it! It was waaay to big. Totally out of scale.
Already 10 years later, everyone in the city council saw it as “a scar in Odense”, and it has been used by city planners around the world as how NOT to do.
There is a happy ending:
Now, 50 years later, the road has been closed. They are building a new city block, for pedestrians, and a new tram.
Its all coming back around
:)
It can't be just a question of having decent streets or not though. Look at Tokyo - they have their huge motorways and large streets all across and around the city too, yet everything's clean and traffic's somehow not any more crazy than anywhere else - in fact I found it pretty darn mild. Obviously there's a lot of it, what with there being a lot of people (and businesses), but the excellent public transportation systems does its job regardless. So there might be a way to find a better balance that'd allow for reasonable car traffic if other factors were improved.
Los Angeles got the way it did because of two things:
1) At the same time they built the major freeways, they got rid of most of their public transport infrastructure including most of the trams-- new infra wouldn't be built for decades
2) Excluding the earliest ones, the freeways were planned as part of a country-wide system by the Interstate planning commission, but there was no unified public transport plan (each municipality had its own say).
Had the people-movement needs of the city been taken care of, the freeways would mostly be used for priority traffic and trucks/lorries. This isn't the case as it's practically impossible to go anywhere in LA on public transport. People who don't have cars have to use a bus to commute 2 hours to go less than 15 miles. Thus, everyone gets a car as soon as they can, even if they have to sit in traffic.
In Prague we have a fuckin' highway running straight through our historical center, dividing the Wenceslas Square from the National Museum. That's the downside of having communist planners designing your city. But we never finished the ringway after the revolution. We didn't have to because our public transport is amazing. That's the upside of having communist planners designing your city.
@@holger_p I agree wholeheartedly...
This feels like something I would watch in Year 6 on those old school tv’s
Yes, I too watched clowns masturbate in Year 6
hold up--
Swrve™
Yh legit
Oh, here in Moscow we have a joke when someone comes from outside the city: "You're lying, there's no life beyond the Moscow Ringroad!"
Us Londoners are in denial that people actually live outside the M25
The map of the ringroads immediately made me think of Moscow. Not that I've been there, I just saw it on Google Maps.
@@obamaprism9702 the m25 marks the boundary between the habitable zone and the forbidden zone, where nothing grows, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Anyone who claims to be from beyond the m25 is a liar and must be silenced.
@@zUJ7EjVD assuming your Aussie or kiwi or maybe Maltese
@@obamaprism9702 to me (I grew up in north Southwark) north England starts from hackney and beyond and when I think of none Londoners I imagine gypsies
13 years in and this video feels like it could’ve been made yesterday. Jay absolutely nailed the surrealism that everyone on RUclips uses at least a bit of now
i really used to poo-poo the attitude against putting in all the elevated roads, but since the Alaska Way Viaduct in Seattle was removed, the waterfront just popped and new life is being breathed into it. almost literally as bike paths and those green things from sticks are being planted and all that good hippie stuff
Why does this feel like it was filmed in the 90s?
Burns Night - Weird colours, contrasts? I know what you mean it’s pretty odd.
@@mr8I7 and his haircut? :D
Partly the presenter's haircut but also the rapid editing and 'comedy' sound effects are very 90s, the kind of thing they used to have on Channel Four 'yoof' programmes c.1995.
Because it was filmed in 2011
It's because it was filmed in 2011 on 90's equipment.
Yes, driving in London is a pain, but the Ringway would have made things worse. In Munich we built a ring road around the city for billions of euros, the "Mittler Ring", it is jammed solid in peak hours. Germany has many more motorways than Britain, with serious traffic jams. Build for the car, the cars will come.
Man you should see Montreal. The downtown is just full of highways (A10, A15, A19, A20, A40, A720 all run through or into downtown) and those highways are full of cars. 3 of the highways are important long distance roads too, so they carry a lot of foreign traffic as well (for example A15 goes all the way to the US border, and continues as I-87 into New York City). And I haven't mentioned all the other highways that circle or pass near Montreal (A13, A30, A35, A50 and too much more)
Singapore has pretty bad traffic jams as well. A lot of expressways lead to the city center (and I think they're building a new one), and majority of them get jammed packed during peak hours. Even some of the public train lines get so busy they get traffic jams too.
Honestly it's hilarious how many random bits of public transport we have in London, I love it. Obviously buses, trains, tubes, bikes but we have trams down in Croydon, the North Circular, Ferrys across the water, an automated overground, big ass tunnels, canals and even a bloody cable car.
This is interesting, but your public transport is far superior to Britain's (except maybe coaches - Britain's good at long-distance coaches). Britain has a lot of everything, just most of it isn't very good (or insufficient for today).
The Georgia Parameter I-285 always get's jammed up during the evening hours. Used to take me 3 hours to get from Buford Highway to Wesley Chapel until I just decided to go the street way home which takes just one hour.
That small Northern section of M23 always puzzled me why they built such a massive three lane motorway that just goes straight into single lane A23. I did some research on it a little while back and found out about these ambitious schemes to build motorways in London. Good to see it get a mention here :)
The way this was filmed was just amazing, you earned a sub before I'd even finished watching :)
So BBC it hurts. A good hurt though.
Saw this and could have sworn i've seen the guy on the telly, just because of the styling of the video!
He's on the One Show occasionally, he doesn't work for the BBC though.
Here's a good joke for you:
The south circular.
"A series of scarcely believable road signs!"
South circular
(Honest)
Awful
Gordonblues i don’t understand
@@MalaysianAviator737-8 The south circular works so bad that it's considered a joke compared to the north circular.
5:31 I love the subtle "ahem" as the North Circular reaches Arnos Grove
How about 5:18?
I live in Portland (Oregon) and have flown into Los Angeles at night, and yes, it’s just chock full of highways that are completely lit up with the red lights of traffic jams.
''Crowley, what you did with the M25 was a stroke of pure, demonic genius!''
my thoughts :DD goes hand in hand with that vine on "THE FOOKEN M25"
@@lisa_vxng exactly! also: love ur pfp^^
@@eliward1378 haha thanks☺️
Wahoo!
What's a computer?
This is my second Jay Foreman video but im already hooked! You sir are brilliant.
projectzip I thought some of the jokes were lame. Why is Patrick Abercrombie played by a naked man? Why is "Graham Roads" a clown? Why did Margaret Thatcher vomit? I thought Foreman's behaviour in front of that former city councilman was needlessly obnoxious.
Same
Same! My god this dude is a god!
all of those things were hilarious
the yiddies lol
This 2011 kind of educational-entertainment was so very rare in RUclips. This looks like was made from 2018
can't believe Jay has still kept me interested in these 10 years, incredible mate
these are so well put together. i could watch these forever.
shaunbot took the words right out of my keyboard
When I lived in London in the 90's, the Brits had a wonderful idea to expand the M25 with another lane.
Well, not exactly expand the M25. They wanted to add a lane by repainting it from 4 to 5 lanes.
That's right. Make all the lanes 25% narrower.
What could go wrong with that???
(Note: They didn't do it. The members of Parliament woke up one day, and said, "Hang on!! Have we gone crazy?" So, they stopped it.
Of course, it did not solve their essential problem --- they ARE crazy.)
curiously, not all the lanes are equal anyway. Lanes 1 + 2 have always been around 3/400mm wider than the standard 3.65m to accomodate HGV’s. Lane 3/4 (on newer sections) tended to be narrower.
did this guy just use a marker on a computer monitor
+moon god The monitor was covered with a plastic sheet. Look carefully at the corners and you can see the blu tack.
You've ruined the magic :c
Jay Foreman Any new video?
If it was a computer marker or if he wiped it off soon after it would be fine
Whiteboard marker wouldn't be an issue. Even permanent marker would come off with some isopropyl alcohol.
I grew up in South London in the 1960s. The spectre of that road being built through or very near us blighted my parents house for years and years and they could never sell it for decent price. Eventually all plans were shelved!
The M25 is a parallel parking simulator.
Arjan Wilbie haha
Arjan Wilbie just like interstate 495 in Washington DC
Muhammed Soofi omg M25 is basically the British I-495
Both go around the capital city, and both are a complete, utter nightmare.
lol
Arjan Wilbie We have a similar thing in Auckland, New Zealand where the Southern Motorway is sometimes referred to as a carpark because of traffic congestion.
I work in a place that scans stuff to become digital copies for all kinds of companies and government agencies. Today I was putting archived maps and plans through a large format scanner detailing the future M25, and all I could think of was Thatcher chundering. Thankyou, I think?
RUclips in 2011: nah
RUclips in 2012: nah
RUclips in 2013: nah
RUclips in 2014: nah
RUclips in 2015: nah
RUclips in 2016: nah
RUclips in 2017: nah
RUclips in 2018: nah
RUclips in 2019: *this video is finally at the quality standard of this year and we will recommend it*
Poly seriously I can understand being annoyed about an unoriginal comment, but seriously did that really require that much of an overreaction
you joined youtube in 2012
Scott Maday so true
The real reason this showed up on 2019: RUclips funnels their content based on who has the most media presence. You're only suggested content from who RUclips declares to be the popular kids.
@Poly k
6:19 "In fact there isn't really such thing as the South Circular Road at all. It's just a series of scarcely believable road signs." Ha ha this totally sums up my experience of 30y of driving on the A205!
"nobody wanted to live next to big, ugly motorways"
meanwhile, in New Jersey: "lmao"
cross bronx expressway: sorry what was that?
Nobody wants to live in New Jersey, so living next to a motorway would be expected.
NJ: *Æ*
Kaizoe Ocshtau NJ is the best state fuck you
My elementary school and indeed my house in New Jersey was literally feet from a gigantic highway.
I don't know how RUclips recommended your video, but I enjoyed it!
A few quid under the table i'd say ~ wink wink
Ratel.H Badger they recommended it because they knew you'd like it maybe. Man this channel popped up in my feed yesterday and now I'm hooked! This gentleman is impressively intelligent and his comedic timing resembles the most refined of British comedy which is the best in my opinion.
I'm also interested in learning about British geography because somehow it's one of the countries I'm least familiar with on this topic despite it being my next door neighbour (I'm Irish).
Still here in 2024
Sad to see he missed out the bit in M25's construction where a certain A.J. Crowley carefully shaped it into the dread sigil Odegra.
Can I get a 'wahoo?'
@@rileybanks1191 whaoo
Wahoo (also, knowing the kind of references Jay makes, it probably wouldve been mentioned if this was made after Good Omens was written)
Blue Magma and The Model Railwayman It was made 20 years after GO was written.
You mean A. *Jay* Crowley? There’s something fishy here...
Only a few minutes into watching the video , I noticed the video had came out more then 10 years ago.
Truly shows how good of quality your vids are
Only been to London once, but just about everything was within easy walking distance, and the tube was awesomely convenient, if sometimes startlingly deep underground.
"Tourist London" (which is what most of us who visit go to see) is absolutely suited for walking, busses, or the Tube. What I don't know is how well it's suited for people who live in the suburbs and commute for work.
Commutes are designed for walking, bus, train or tube from the suburbs. The problem is that not all trips are commutes.
I live in south east London. South London is huge and has not really got the tube so in the centre it is fine but when you go out a bit it gets really bad.
Don't worry, every tube staircase is equivalent to a 15 storey building so you get used to it
So, Londoners are just like Melbournians here in Australia. "I want to live close to the city and work, I want to get there in 10 minutes, nut I don't want ugly big freeways, elevated rail lines, or any form of road works to slow me down." See Westgate Tunnel Project, and the Level Crossing Removal project.
It wouldn't work in London. There's 3 times as many people and the city is very old with even underground being at a premium. There simply isn't space and the only real way to improve congestion is improving public transport.
@@arturturkevych3816 do what the Germans do, build a monorail on stilts , high above the streets. Make the monorail cheap to use and see how commuters will ditch the tube , cars and buses. Where there's a will, there's a way. However, there will be the usual silly planning laws, public/private funding issues, finding skilled workforce, setting up a monorail delivery group, strikes.... Too many challenges, better to stay with the old system and leave the problem to fester ....
@@prp3231 monorail didn't prove itself as an alternative to tube, tram or light rail and has failed. Many cities would be better off building a light rail system on a bridge. Much cheaper and higher capacity.
I don't know what are you talking about in Germany, since the only famous monorail system there is in Wuppertal on a river and it is successful purely due to the geography of the town. Germany has a handful of monorails that are mostly not in big cities. Many cities like Toronto got rid of it due to monorail being ineffective and it isn't competitive with light rail or tube
Oh those people living between Caulfield and Dandenong got me good. The lot were complaining that the elevated rail line would drive down the house prices. In the end, the house prices went up after it got constructed, not least because the traffic around the level crossings disappeared
This is how people are everywhere, ya we want it built just not in my backyard
BBC should hire Jay, we need A Jay Forman show! Jay Forman's Britain!
Ciaran Spence Unfinished Britain!
Why BBC? Netflix or Amazon Prime should
He was actually hired once
BBC? Aren't they the ones that steal your money, push destructive narratives and cover up for pedophiles?
@@xVGA-COLOR Yes
I love how he says half the job done pretty much exactly halfway through the video 6:09
8:46 no words
Having recently visited England, you guys do have a good rail network that I didn't need to hire a car! (I know you have a whole range of issues with it, but I am comparing to what we have in Canada)
@TheSmithersy Strikes is what you get when you privatize a stateinstitution. Imagine you privatizing the army....they will strike for more money!
@@TremereTT yes! all hail communism!
@@GewelReal The American Army 100% communist all state emploit free health care 0% capitalistic.
That might be the reason why they shoot children in school busses or cameramen from reuters...the American forces are basically freedom hating comunists.
@@TremereTT no they are unions that strike simply because there is a conservative government.
@@mandowarrior123 They wouldn't strike if they were state employes sworn to the flag!
So the reason is they just use their power on the marked.
You need to make more of these Unfinished London episodes, they're a lot of fun!
I love my documentaries dramatic. This channel is essential to the survival of my people.
Look at the third transport ring and Garden ring in Moscow, they indeed literally divide the community and make living in a neighborhood area extremely uncomfortable. Such that currently major of Moscow is narrowing Gardeb ring down. But nothing can be done with the TTR and Moscow circular motorway. Which would be the analog of the third ring motorway of London.
In Paris we have 3 ringways (périphérique, A86 and A104 « la francilienne ») and they are now a nightmare because of too much trafic. Also, the thing about « londoners would identify themselves by which wingroads they were stuck between » is a little bit true in Paris today.
Problem with Paris is massive dummy traffic just going through, added to suburb to suburb traffic (which public transport doesn't do well at all).
Not to mention they are no longer wide enough. A86 and N/A 104 were made to be 2×3 / 2×4 lanes, which work way better at carrying lots of dense traffic than 2×2 with occasionnal 2×3 (less vulnerable to disruption).
Combined with Grand Paris express, a huge widening program will bring everything back down to acceptable levels. So you then have a better right to choose, and PT workers going on strike wouldn't cause as much as carmagedon.
Public transport has a slightly heigher weight that driving if done properly (fairly short and fast). Just like cycling.
@@Spido68_the_spectatorwidening a road usually makes traffic worse...
@@svis6888 Has it been prooved outside of car dependant places like the US ?
@@Spido68_the_spectator Well in Paris, it has been proven that making roads narrower reduces (or at least does not increase) traffic and makes emergency response time shorter
@@Spido68_the_spectator Well of course if you want to widen a road in a non car dependant place it may make traffic better by separating directions for example, but the point is that widening road is *not* a solution *most of the time*
I like how the sign for the South Circular Roadway shown at 6:26 has "(Honest)" below the main text. :)
Kevin Cozens photoshopped?
@@jacksonthesyndicalist2771 i'm pretty sure that's actually on the sign, and not photoshop
Ben Cris2bal god I love Britain
@@bencris2bal511 I looked up the insurance warehouse behind the sign, Michael Scott and Lau, and Google Street View doesn't show a sign there. I guess he just photoshopped the whole sign there.
@@westcheap Oh, thanks
The song choice for this episode is in amazing taste, as always great job Jay!
Your description of the north and south circular made me piss myself 🤣
I wonder if Jay will ever produce a "out-takes" episode of this series (should the footage still exist) I look at some of the setups and think, there's got to be some gold in getting that shot together.
He does and it’s all on his Patreon
12:06 never realized Tom Scott did the graphics and animation
"London isn't designed for the car"
Me: Then what is London designed for?
"In fact: it wasn't designed at all"
Wasn't Abercrombie the guy who came up with an idea for a city where all the roads were on the roofs?
My god, Larry, you're everywhere!
Watch Urbanised by the way if you're even remotely interested in this stuff. It's amazing, way more interesting than a documentary about urban planning sounds lol.
sure is it on this channel too?
***** Nope, you may be able to find it free somewhere around here but otherwise check on iTunes. I think it's like a tenner or something, well worth it, it's very well made. It's done by the same guy who did the Helvetica documentary and Objectified. He's currently doing one about Dieter Rams which should be pretty amazing.
ah sweet, thanks! I'll have a look out for it!
I must know the outcome!!! Did you watch it!? D:
good video.
It’s been demonstrated that the average speed of private vehicles is determined by the average speed (including walking and waiting) of the competing public transport. The two modes form a dynamic system with marginal users (who don’t need their cars) determining the equilibrium point.
It would be interesting for you to do a video discussing the effect of the “central zone” vehicle tax on London, as well as the high ticket prices on public transport and how they connects with town planning and house prices.
The "Downs-Thompson paradox", I believe.
"Transport policy today is almost entirely about measures to reduce the number of drivers".
**Looks at cost of train tickets**
Are you fucking kidding me??
Well, thats what you get with privatised rail, innit?
Vicvic W in France, the railway is not privatised and apart from the so great TGV and the big cities, there are almost no regional trains and it's still expensive
SimonHellinger Well that's clearly government mismanagement. National rail here i the uk was, top quote a wise man "pretty good."
Vicvic W British Rail closed many many smaller railway lines. I don't think that is "pretty good"
SimonHellinger Yes but it was on time more than current rail franchises. I'm comparing now to then. It's not like these franchises have re-opened them.
English subtitles are a bit screwed at 5:47
"Everything we do is amazing!"
*Shows a sign for Stevenage*
🤣🤣🤣🤣
at least it wasn't Milton Keynes this time
Cycleways missing in latest developed Stevenage areas - disappeared with demise of Stevenage Development Corp.' Predestrianised Town Centre, & other areas, now danger zones with cyclists zooming around.
I don't know why but the "You'll know how much of a **** Nightmare it is" line just cracks me up every time
Love it!
I'm a big fan of Good Omens's depiction of the M25
Yes 😂
I was looking for this comment
Gotta love the sigil opportunity the M25 affords
The m25 aka hell on earth
@@nebulonicc me too 😂😂😂
Shelved schemes happened out of London too. Tring by-pass was once M41. M1at Scatchwood & A1at John Tann roundabout were due to link up at one time too. Harlow New Town was layed out with the M11 due to be East of the town.
Hell there, a great highly detailed analysis of the traffic infrastructure of South and North London, in a humorous and accessible way. Keep it up! Cheers Peter
I genuinely didn't know this was 9 years old when I first discovered your channel and before I knew how you looked.
I love your videos so much Jay!
I get that good kind of RUclips energy from this video. I mean, this clearly has way better production value and has something going for it in and on itself, but it has the same energy. I like it. The bong bit catched me off guard. I mean, this dude was ahead of his time. Get it? Brit *bong* ?
I honestly thought this videos was from at least 3 years ago, then i saw that it was published in 2011. I'm blow away by its quality. 🤯
Speaking as a chap from Sussex who lives in the west country, I do not use the M25 (I'm not an idiot) when visiting family back in Sussex (or getting back to work). I either drop down on the M27 and then head up through Salisbury on the A36 (mostly fine, except the mess that is the Chichester bypass and Arundel) or I head cross country up through Guildford/Farnborough then up to the M4 by Reading (though at the moment there is the average speed check on that section so I head on the M3 down to Basingstoke then up on the A339 to Newbury and onto the M4). I know no one cares about all this, but this video is so wonderfully British that I am keen to talk roads all of a sudden. I think you put together Brits from anywhere in country and give them two locations in Britain and ask them to plan a route between them and they'll still be discussing possible routes three hours later, and they'll be quite happy doing it.
I lived the opposite route! thanks.
Semantic Samuel When I have flights at heathrow at 4am m25 is dead, 35 min drive from haringey with no traffic,its great
I avoid driving in and around London like the plague. Luckily I dont need to, as Im a Northerner. I drove from Stanstead back to Cheshire at 1am start, and got home about 5. Bliss.
I live in West Sussex and my family is in Gtr Manchester. It is difficult to drive to visit them without using the M25. It is possible by heading towards Guildford, Farnborough, Bracknell, Reading, then head west to Newbury on the M4 then north up the A34, but the non-dual carriageway sections can be slow (the 30 and 40 mph club are everywhere around here), and I'm not sure it is much, if any better that grinding along the M25 outside peak hours.
ok. Being a Swede who mostly knows London from what can be gleemed through popular culture... is this mayhaps what Douglas Adams was referring to with the
"What do you mean with Why do we need them? It's a bypass. We got to build bypasses!"
Or maybe it was another project?
The building of and opposition to bypasses is a great British pasttime. We hate sitting in traffic, but we don't want bypass roads built through our countryside. There's always one being built and always everyone hates it (but then drives on it when it is built).
+Matthew Taylor Not just Britain. Australia, too. Back in the 1990s, there was considerable grumbling around Armidale, New South Wales about a bypass for the New England Highway. It got built anyway, and since then it's been the fastest way for anyone living on the north side of town to get to the airport.
Matthew Taylor The bigfrst 2 complaints about bypasses were people who didn't want to see their cohntryside destroyed and people who didn't want to lose their business in their town, since cars would drive around it.
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'Arthur lay in the mud and squelched at him'.
Interesting & Enjoyable video confirming that I decided a long time ago never to work or live in London. Secondly, just a correction(if I nay be so bold) Britain's first motorway was the M6 Preston Bypass opened 1958 not the M1
And the M25 isnt a complete circle. It stops at Dartford.
@@joncurtis199 Yep. A282 approach roads for Dartford crossing.
I can't believe it was 11 years ago I first watched this, was living in the US but waiting to move home back to London. Seems like a couple of months some days. Keep up the good work.
Are you still in the states?
@@chillnspace777 No, did my year and went back to the UK although do miss the people and the place a lot
They started to do a similar thing to Glasgow - the M8 that goes right through the city centre (destroying countless historical buildings and neighbourhoods) is only one half of a proposed inner ring road. The other half would have come right past the cathedral and down the High Street before crossing the Clyde and rejoining the M8 on the Southside.
There was such an outcry at the destruction that was caused that all similar schemes were shelved (including the London ones you mentioned and another that would have had an 8-lane motorway going through Princes Street Gardens in Edinburgh, in front of the Castle).
His videos must've been the highest quality videos you could find in 2011, it's seriously shocking how good they are, really wish he posted more these days.
I'm a bit late to this thread but here goes.
In the early 70's I was a road safety officer in L B Redbridge, the M11 was supposed to extend down to the Thames and across, linking to the new 'South Circular'. In order to be able to give adequate access to this new road, whilst still giving a good service to the shops in Ilford a serious proposal was that Ilford High Road would have to be made 3 lanes each way. The only problem with this was they would have to demolish all the shops and a hell of a lot of the houses to fit it in!
I came here after I watch your tiktok, can't believe you've been doing this series for years oh my what a great videos! I'm not from London but I really enjoy the knowledge thank you so much