10 Dumbest Things In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
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Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is considered incredibly dumb by some. But how dumb is it, really?
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Am I the only one who thinks "God" looks like the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz?
"Put 'em up! Put 'em up!"
Hear me out. If Uhura didn't do the fan dance, we'd never have Rutherford doing the fan dance. Worth it, if you ask me.
You missed the worst part of the Fan Dance; Nichelle Nichols voice being dubbed.
As always thank you all so very much for the videos.
Yeah, that was criminal. I think the only reason they did it was because Nichols' voice is so seductive that keeping it in would have bumped the film into PG-13 territory.
I agree, ver dumb. The whole fan scene was allegedly written for her by Shatner to give her an opportunity to sing on film which was allegedly a dream of hers.
The fan dance was the best part of the movie.
I'm not saying that the fan dance was good, mind you. Just that it was the best part of the movie.
@@seattlefloyd
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
James Kirk :Wrath of Kahn
(Charles Dickens, Tale of Two Cities)
The worst part of the movie (and there is so much to choose from!) is the way they treated Nichelle Nichols so disrespectfully.
Honorable Mention: The german title of this movie is "Am Rande des Universums" which means "At the edge of the universe". They fly to the center of the galaxy...yeah...
Its not the middle. Its the outter edge
@@Ottophilall of the descriptions of the movie say center of the galaxy. Not sure where your getting outer edge from.
Probably the German version.
If you remember Asimov's Foundation series, the center or the galaxy is the edge of the galaxy. or something similar.
It literally says " in the middle of the universe" at the beginning of the video
No.7 can be answered easily, the Enterprise-A was a very broken ship when handed over to Kirk & Co. under her newly painted on name, given she kept belching out red alerts in spacedock for no apparent reason, Scotty most likely switched it off because a red alert from someone scratchign their nose too loudly would have been quite annoying... :P
Kirk may have had Scotty kill the audio warnings. Maybe Kirk was in the middle of a #2 when the sensors picked up a increase of Methane and due to the issues, thought the ship was under attack by a giant cloud of sentient methane and auto triggered Red Alert. Which is why the alert was "It's recommended you do XYZ", so the human operator could decide if it was a valid alert or more nonsense...
That would have made more sense.
Non-canon sources say that it was actually sabotage that plagued the Enterprise. Apparently some of the folks involved in the Excelsior were demoted and managed to get a spot on the work for the "A" so they could get revenge for what Scotty did to the Excelsior and their careers.
6:30 After _V-Ger_ it's my headcanon that Klingons have a general order to eliminate pre-warp Earth probes on sight. Given how difficult the probe was to hit plus the weird noise it made when it got blown up, I would further assert that the Klingons' actions just saved the galaxy.
I met the actor who played "Claw/Klaugh at a trek convention many years ago. Very nice fellow. He sat all alone with a stack of pictures with him in Klingon regalia and if you bought one he'd sign it.
No one approached him or talked to him. It was sad.
I agree, sad, but, well, it was not his fault, while being the Production company's, I'd say.
Out of all of them, one critical thing you missed was Kirk was the only experienced commander. He was on Earth while the situation was at Nimbus 3.
Kirk did say there should be other ships in the quadrant, but no experienced commanders?
Surely they all couldn't be John Harriman or Willard Decker.
As the nostalgia critic said
Unless that captain is James Kirk, they suck. Or something like that
Will Decker had evolved to a 'higher' form of life by then!
ST:TMP!
@@DMSProduktions
Remember Xon!
@@frankharr9466 Yes.
clearly all the experienced commanders were having their week off.
Funny aside: in the trek novel “The Autobiography of James T Kirk”, Kirk and company go to a movie on some planet (Iotia maybe?). The movie they see….is this one! Apparently the people on that world knew of Kirk and his crew’s exploits and made a movie about them. In his narrative Kirk critiqued it by saying something along the lines of “while the character somewhat resembled us, the contrived situations they were put in and their outlandish reactions to them showed it as a work of pure fiction”. A clever way to put this misstep outside canon while still acknowledging its existence
Sounds like a similar premise to the _Prodigy_ episode "All The World's A Stage." I love it.
I’ve never been able to put Star Trek V at the bottom of my list of Trek movies, mainly because of the presence of Yosemite in the movie. Being a hiker and having actually hiked (not climbed) to the top of El Cap, I have a sentimental attachment to those scenes. That being said, one of the flaws is in the scene of Kirk climbing El Capitan. Shatner was filmed on a fake rock face, in Yosemite, but much closer to the ground than depicted in the movie - the problem being that part of the actual El Capitan is visible in the background, miles away from the fake El Cap.
Another scientific error is the Klingons shooting the Pioneer probe. At the speed our current probes are going, it will take thousands of years to go even one light year. So, because its only been a few hundred years by the time of Trek, the Klingons would have to be hanging out alarmingly close to Earth, and there is no way Pioneer would be far enough out in interstellar space to be used as target practice for some apparently-bored Klingons.
We finally saw the toilet, although it was in the brig!
I recently watched this movie after many years. It was charmingly dumb, but it held up better than I thought it would.
Really? I am not watching this sh*it since forever, because it is unbearable. Are you subtly suggesting that I watched it again, giving it one more chance? :)
Unpopular opinion... This movie is actually good. Sure, it has plenty of issues. But the production was beset with loads of problems and budget cuts. Yet it's in all honesty, probably the closest to the Gene Roddenberry TOS vision out of all the movies. We still got so many scenes of the legendary trio (Kirk-Spock-McCoy) doing what they did best. Banter. The campfire scenes, the brig, the "I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain!” scene, "Captain, not in front of the Klingons", "What does God need with a starship!?" Good movie. Fight me! 😂
I kinda like it, but not necessarily because it's good. I know it's bad and cheesy and full of plot holes, but it has a certain charm that only Star Trek can provide. And of course, who would forget the yummy marshmallows Mr. Spock brought to the bonfire.
'And in star trek v i got such a great performance out of me, because I respect me so much."
My Head Canon is Star Trek V never happened (As we know it). While around the campfire, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy decided to "create a story", each man got a few minutes to talk and make a narrative and then the next person got a chance. Thus creating the bulk of the movie, but it was all a campfire story. Which is why it ends with those 3 around the same campfire. Likely at the end of the next day of their vacation.
The main issues were.
1: constant studio inference
2: constant budget cutting
3: SFX not done by ILM
Makes me wonder if they do a 4K Remaster, would they try to touch up the low budget special effects?
It would take more than a remaster. Entire scenes had to be scrapped.
@@noscwoh1That means every scene in the movie would have to be remade from scratch.
The original series was known for its cheesy but endearing special effects as well as its idea-driven episodes. If the writing and characterization had been at all interesting, much would have been forgiven by fans. I don't think the studio or even the budget is to blame for this film being a hot mess.
This movie is what we get when Shatner and Nimoy have an "equality" clause in their contracts.. Since Nimoy got III and IV, Shatner had it in his contract that he would direct the next one. But Shatner got horses into two films (also in Generations).
The horses though turned out to be a very good addition.
Is this the movie where Scotty hits his head on the bulkhead of the ship he knows like the back of his hand? If so, that was completely out of character and seriously dumb.
Yes. Yes it is
Sometimes I wonder if this was his way of getting back at the others for not worshipping him and talking smack about him in their auto biographies. How about Sulu and Chekhov getting lost (as we know, Shatner’s beef was with Takei, not Koenig). Nimoy and Kelly had a good working relationship at this time with Shatner.
It was a misplaced attempt at comedy. Probably because Star Trek 4 had several comedic moments but was successful.
@@rickjohnston2667 That's because Star Trek 4 was actually funny. :) :) Surprised Shatner didn't add whales to this movie...
Two points:
1) The Final Frontier isn't horrible. It's just a film sequel to TOS Season 3, while the other OG cast films are film sequels to TOS seasons 1 and 2.
2) I'm sorry, but did Brie say "a wolf in CHEAP clothing"?
I heard that, too. As well as taking some characters "out of the occasion," which should be "equation."
I heard the lack of sheep as well. :)
I’m glad someone else noticed
At the 10th Golden Raspberry Awards, The Final Frontier was nominated for six Razzie Awards (Worst Picture, Worst Director, Worst Actor for Shatner, Worst Supporting Actor for Kelley, Worst Screenplay, and Worst Picture of the Decade), winning three (Picture, Director, amd Actor).
Also, nothing about "marshmelons" and how that backstory was cut from the script? (Bones edited the Wikipedia article Spock used for research about camping).
Here's one, how did spock have memory of his birth?
Ask the script writer Shatner
Spock was seeing it through his dad’s eyes?
Photographic memory? 🤷🏻♂️
@@brentaughe7539It's established in "Unification II" that Spock and Sarek never mind-melded.
For all we know, Vulcans can retain memories all the way back to their birth. They are aliens after all.
Alternatively, although Spock never had a mind meld with his father, he may have at some point have melded with his mother, nurse, Sybok, or other family member or caretaker who was present at his birth.
I laughed at the Miri reference of “bonk bonk on the head”
Sybok doesn't even mention their sister, Michael, to Spock. Surely they both miss her?
No one misses her lol
Shhh... The least said about her the better.
Sybok wouldn't have known about Michael-I don't think Michael knew about Sybok. They weren't raised together.
@ShonnDaylee and any chance to shit on her isn't passed on isn't it?
I'm not sure how to respond (or even if I should) to that comment/observation.
A really dumb thing I noticed in this movie is that Admiral Bob said that "there are plenty of starships, but no experienced captains." Besides the fact that nobody needs experience to become a ship captain, or that a captain can get experience by resolving a milk run like a simple hostage crisis as opposed to facing down the Klingons, exactly how does a captain even GET experience if Admiral Bob assigns veterans like Jim Kirk to do ALL the heavy lifting? I think the whole explanation as well as not putting Enterprise closer to Nimbus 3 is, every single TOS movie from 1 through 6 observes the tradition of *The Epic Leaving Earth Spacedock Scene* and if you question tradition in Hollywood, you get sent to The Special Hell. So, you'd better make dumb plot sacrifices to include it, even if they don't make sense.
Sybok coulnd’t convert them on the planet because Chekov told him a Klingon ship was inbound and “likely to destroy the planet” so Sybok wanted to get out of dodge and onto any ship ASAP.
There is no way this can be considered the worst Trek film when Into Darkness exists.
No one ever questioned how they ever saw any of their away team images, from any Original Series Episode, Like where Kirk was in "The Gamesters of Triskelion", or when Kirk and Spock were on that planet in "The Savage Curtain", for example. None of the crew members ever wondered how they could see what was happening on the view screen.
The providers provided the feed for the crew to observe, since their futures lied in the balance.
I mean, it doesn’t hang together. But it does have some wonderful character moments.
For me, one of the dumbest things is that all the way through, Sybok has a messy ponytail, yet when they got to the god planet, Poof! no ponytail, much shorter hair. No one noticed this at the time? Actually noticed this little inconsistency in the theater when it first came out…
Did anyone think to tell Captain Janeway that there is apparently a way to cross half the galaxy and back in a matter of hours?, days?.
Drunken ghost story told around the campfire. It never happened. That simple approach solves pretty much all of the problems.
I just assumed that if the view screen is capable of seeing something thousands of kilometers off in space that it's capable of seeing what's happening on the planet. That's always the way that I've interpreted them being able to see what's going on down there.
I have a hard time fully grasping how much this movie has influenced our current era. The bombastic vibe and the dance is VERY much something that would fit in the 2009/2013 movies, and Spock’s secret sibling lead us straight to discovery and strange new worlds
As far as the rocket boots are concerned, I think it's safe to assume there's some sort of mild magnetism built in or something like that. Like it can repel off of iron in the ground if close enough but to get higher, stronger repulsion is needed. Not every piece of tech needs to be explained in absolute detail. Also, for the second scene, you've got to think about it three dimensionally. Assume he had to go to his quarters for the boots, maybe they were closer to a different turbolift shaft so he used that one to go up and then over and then back down. Don't the turbo lift shafts cross laterally as well as vertically?
My parents explained to me long ago that if you think about how sci-fi tech works too much, it stops being fun.
1A: Handing Shatner creative control of a movie.
I first got to see this when my uncle rented it on VHS when I was in middle school. When it got to the Uhura scene, my grandmother just bursts out "You go girl! Shake it!".
So there was at least one fan of it.
Well, it was directed by Shatner so you shouldn't be too surprised by how dumb it was
The scene I liked the most was Sulu and Chekov getting teased by Uhura for getting lost. I will also say it was nice that Uhura got more to do in this movie than a lot of others but overall it remains my least favorite Star Trek movie.
Let´s talk about the elephant in the room - Sybok´s haircut! Nobody ever talks about this 😂 He goes from long hair to short in a snap of Q´s finger - right after he takes over the Enterprise … Great timing for a barber visit bro 😂
Dumbest things of Star Trek V: the whole movie except the scene where Bones confronted his pain.
I pretty much agree with the whole list apart from some of the Klingon Krap. The whole Vixis, Klaa and Pioneer probe scene. It's actually pretty understandable why it played out the way it did. Vixis has a thing for Klaa and her reporting that the probe is a difficult target is an attempt to prop him up in front of his crew. Just typical "girl likes boy" stuff.
A couple of the things which always irritate me with their stupidity. When the Klingons first get the transmission from their High Command about the hostages, the alert sound heard is clearly one of those old push button board books that babies and toddlers get, which usually is about either a fire engine or ambulance (hence the siren). Also, so much is made of the Enterprise-A being all wonky and malfunctioning all over the place. So, why not take the Excelsior? It’s literally right next to the Enterprise, is a lot newer and probably works better. Does SHE have a full crew? If so, why not transfer all or some to the Enterprise for the mission?🙄😂
I REALLY hope Brie said " wolf in cheap clothing" ironically.
The score for this movie is fantastic!!!!
They say it took a lot to get Jerry Goldsmith back for the film, then it flopped at the box office and he told them "Nope, no more!!!", until First Contact that is, when that TMP theme returned once more for the Enterprise... :)
I always liked to headcanon that Star Trek V happens to Kirk inside the Nexus: He gets given command of the Enterprise again, makes a mockery of Klingons, and outwits a godlike being, all in time for dinner, all with his best friends. Why wouldn't that be Kirk's idea of paradise?
Let's not forget the (apparently only) security team Kirk took to Nimbus III, who were all either forgotten on Nimbus or boldly Redshirted. LLAP Brie and TrekCulture!🖖
Despite all this, I still contend that this movie captured the spirit of TOS better than any other. For better or worse.
I agree!
Tbh the only way I can justify Star Trek V is to assume that it’s just all in Kirk’s head after he & everyone else get wasted in Yellowstone National Park
"Spock...what was IN those marshmelons...?"
You guys should do a video about all the ignored technological breakthroughs, like The superspeed potion from TOS, Barclay's Enterprise teleporting technology and all the knowledge they got from the aliens that episode, how easy time travel was and how much that would mess with things, why the Enterprise didn't just use armed holographic security against boarding parties, or strong holograms that could tear borg in half, The limits of replication and why they can't use it to repair ships or mass produce them, or why transportation duplication wasn't looked into for duplicating ships during war, all the different types of FTL travel ignored by Voyager after one try, or how a temporal war would actually be fought
Now do Trek 3 so we can talk about why Kirk spoke Klingon when beaming up with Spock when the rest of his crew was already aboard. Like it made absolutely no sense.
Shatner’s ego is on full, glorious display in V and as a result the film is campy trash. Having said that, there are some magnificent moments with The Big Three, some of the best ever.
Ok, the movie isn't great, but the Uhura fan dance made my teenager day.
Extra bonus points for inserting „Jesus he knows me“ into the video. Oh I love that song…
I like how they just decide, "Hey, let's fly to the center of the galaxy!... Okay, we're here!"
Makes you wonder want kind of engines those idiots from Voyager were working on. ^^
Wolfs in cheep clothing? Did you mean sheep’s clothing? Taking them out of the occasion? Did you mean equation?
The 3 dumbest things about this movie are the beginning, the middle, and the end.
OUCH. LOL. That's pretty funny !!!
The worst thing about Act One in this movie is the horrible realization that Acts Two and Three must follow.
I won't lie. I thought the final frontier was supposed to be a comedy. I mean I been laughing at this movie for years. 😂😂
You dropped a '00' from the title, folks. How you were able to limit your list to just 10 is beyond me. But, in the spirit of the season, I'll go with it and enjoy this video and your other content. Merry Christmas, TC.
09.02 does she say Sybok "wrastles" with Kirk? Surely she means "wrestles"?
wrassles
The ridiculous number of decks aside in the shaft, ya also forget they go up on a ship with deck numbers that should go down from the Bridge being deck 1.
The "God" got a bit of a retcon in the book Q Continuum #3, The - Q-strike. In that book, the early days of Q (the one John DeLancie plays) was bamboozled by a cosmic entity who only wished harm on the galaxy. The entity tortured the Calamarain and then sent in soldiers, including the "God" in ST:5. The Q (plural) banished "God" to that planet in the center of the galaxy.
Nice work, but the script could have used more proofreading.
I had a problem with "The Barrier", how is it impenetrable?
The Enterprise got through, so did a Klingon Warbird, so did they never send probes.
If the god figure turned it off, then he controlled the barrier that he's trying to escape?
It's obviously traversable since the Klingon Warbird got through undamaged. So what's the issue passing through it? If it's been there for all eternity some silly-sod would have attempted to go through it and by the looks of it survive.
It's a plot point that unravels the whole story.
McCoy watching Kirk climbing through binoculars from a great distance, then appears there moments after Spock saves him from splatting.
I agree with your observations, but I still like the movie. It's a silly fun romp.
spock not shooting or harming sybok can now be easliy answered. It is always going to be next to, if not completlty impossible, for anyone to shoot family even to save a ship. but at this point remember spock has already lost a half sister. As both half Vulcan and half HUMAN he would still have the emotional wounds from that event, so for kirk to tell him to shoot his last remaining sibling would be to much for his Human side to take. And kirk was just kirk.
Adopted sister, not half sister. Though that would have been interesting if Michael was Amanda's daughter from a previous relationship.
But Spock should have at least nerve pinched Sybok once he was in arm's reach.
I disagree with #9. Watching that fan dance from Uhura was what launched me into puberty
It’s best to think of it as a dream in Kirk’s head while sleeping at Yosemite.
Or maybe Shatners head.
The expression is ‘ taking them out of the equation’ not ‘taking them out of the occasion’! Lol
"out of the occasion"? I think that was supposed to be "equation".
Over-examination of a movie as flawed as this one is feels like punching down a bit. The only reason to watch or re-watch it is for continuity or nostalgia respectively. I think critique is much better-focused on more worthy media than ST5.
Interesting that the god-thing presents himself as human and not Vulcan, even though it is a Vulcan who directly addresses him.
I loved this film when younger, but mainly because I liked the idea of the new ship flying out while partially functioning, it’s got a lot of mistakes obviously but one for me is that Scotty and uhura had a great bond that wasn’t really shown previously or mentioned again after, I do want to know what was in the rations lol
I watched Star Trek V from the expectation that it would be like a long Original Series episode. It's much more enjoyable in that perspective.
The camera point of view seems easy to explained away: they already have holo deck (aka rec-room) technology at this point, so generating a 2D image based on sensor data seems pretty plausible. There is no camera but the computer can work out what a camera placed in that position would see in real-time based on shuttle sensor or tricorder data.
And as dumb as the fan dance scene is, the *really* dumb thing about it was over dubbing Nichelle Nichols and letting her find that out at premier. Actually, dumb doesn’t even begin to cover that, does it?
In the original series, the Enterprise operated on the edges of the Federation, so the whole 'we're the only ship in the quadrant' makes sense. In this, and Star Trek I and II, the quadrant includes Earth... so why is Earth so poorly defended?
Also, the Excelsior is shown as being in spacedock... why didn't Kirk take command of that?
I wholeheartedly agree the movie had more holes than a window screen but just to play devil's advocate... I figured Spock's boots were anti-grav. That would allow (in movie reality) him to remain stable at a point in space no matter which way they are pointed, the rockets could just be compressed gas to create some inertia. It still doesn't explain quick stops, but it adds a little suspension of belief.
A Klingon, Romulan, and a Terran beam down into a bar...
....they plan to use the bar as a headquarters to govern a planet.
This was not a great, or even a good movie. However, despite all of the problems, one big positive it does have (which Nemesis does not, and makes it MUCH worse), is a lot of really awesome "character moments" between the crew. Even though the plot of the movie itself is terrible, it has a lot of great character stories within it.
Perfect summary. Thank you
1:09 It's a dramatic device. A pilgrimage always ends by walking to the holy site.
1:30 Side issue. People say that they climb Mount Everest for the challenge, but they've all gone up on the easy side of the mountain.
2:30 In the old West, there were times when women were in short supply. In that case, some guys would actually dress up and behave like women.
4:13 This is a common theme. It is usually followed by the ship getting hit by something, the captain yells, "Shields up!" and it's reported that the shield generator was hit.
10:01 This is a revision of the Star Trek III scene where the Klingons think they're outnumbered and outgunned (above the Genesis planet).
11:36 I always felt that Laurence Luckinbill messed up on the timing in his line where he realizes that Chekov is a diversion. It might be that Sybok's mind works so fast that he just didn't want to pause a moment for dramatic effect.
According to one of the Star Trek novels this being that Kirk and crew encounter was actually the inspiration for the Old Testament God of the Bible.
STV is an extended episode of TOS.
Maybe an extension of Spock's Brain, but a lot of TOS was actually good.
I enjoyed it, it was fun 👏🖖
Other than the Spock/McCoy/Kirk bonding moments, there isn’t much to enjoy in this movie.
It’s definitely not a good movie but I love it anyway and would happily watch it any day.
We must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to go back to STV. This movie has been blasted over and over already.
Kirk claims he knew he would die alone, yet he didn't since Picard was there.
Picard wasn't emotionally available? He wasn't with his best friends despite them still being canonically alive at the time? I'm reaching here, but it's the best I've got
I think by die alone he meant without his crew.
Maybe sensors are pick up what they see and displaying on screen I don’t know😂
I recently watched this, and there are so many plot point and stupid things in this movie. It was not the best. One thing I only recently noticed was when Kirk Spock and McCoy return to the ship from camping, there is an old computer screen visible in the side wall of the turbo lift. I don't know how I missed that when I was younger, but I assume it was a production error and there was supposed to be some type of covering over the screen to show the lights as the moved
I remember seeing this in the theatre. This movie was basking in the glow of The Search for Spock. So I went in with a LOT of goodwill, hoping that the previews hid a gem. This was really bad, not just for Mr Shatner, but for the rest of the actors in this turd of a film.
'Spock rockets' sounds incredibly rude.
Star Trek V: Stop Him Before He Directs Again!
The thing has its warts but its deinitely not the worst. Id say its the best of the worst category.
I realize we're going through a bit of a Star Trek dry spell but this is low hanging fruit.
I still love this film. LLAP 🖖🏼
I'm sorry but did you say, "Wolf in cheap clothing?"🤦
LOL, Genesis as the TV cult haha
This was the very first Star Trek Movie I ever saw, but knew the TNG TV-Show
the rear outer walls of Shuttle Crafts have palm print activated security panel, Spock could have just touch opening to pull out a hand phaser to stun all of Sybok's Minions.
But that would have ended the movie to quick when in the next scene they are all in a Security Detention Cell Spock could not even break out of.