Why the Thunder are ignoring Dallas' shooters (!)
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- The Thunder defense locked down Luka Doncic and the Mavs in Game 1 of their 2024 playoff matchup. This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores how coach of the Year Mark Daigneault's gameplan takes away Dallas bread and butter, the importance of Chet Holmgren, Lu Dort and more.
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Some of you mentioned that the role players can't shoot: I cut this for time, but the interesting thing is the role players all have solid percentages!
DJJ is 33% from the corner in his career. (Just 30% Above the break)
PJ Washington is 35% in his career.
Josh Green is 38% in his career.
But outside of Hardaway Jr., these other 3 players (especially DJJ and Green) are far more SELECTIVE as shooters, so their percentages are "curated" because of lower volume. Part of the gambit is inviting them to shoot at volume, instead of attacking closeouts or rotating so they pass to better shooters.
I think this is more pick your poison then anything OKC has "figured out"
33% & 35% are not solid. Something like Greene's 38% is.
36.6% is the nba average this year. Those look even worse when converting EFG%. (50% & 53%).
League average EFG% this year was 54.7%.
I generally think ideal is 39%+ this will be on par with league average TS%. A value proposition you'd feel less inclined allow if you're an opposing defense.
Over the course of a series. Giving up 3pt shots to Washington & Jones should net you substantially better odds of winning. Versus, letting Luka & Kyrie carve up your defense & allowing easy high percentage looks to Lively/Gafford.
That big man pair average 20 ppg on like 75%TS . Denying such looks is arguably a better choice, if it means giving up a 3pt shot to Green. Even if I'd maybe prefer to see those contested.
Edit: OKC has very likely has definitely done a proper risk management analysis in this regard. As PJ Washington & Jones Jr open 3pt%'s aren't better than 35-36%. Best to live with such variance than to give up easy pick and roll dunks, putbacks, foul shots.
@@aaronpeters6209 Jones, Green and Washington shot a combined 42% from 3 Tuesday...leaving them alone isn't why they won.
Great point by the way.
@@salvagaming4678 💀we found a casual here guys
@@narungchaijackson5773 its obvious that they shot that good because they were left wide open thats okc plan dear them to shoot and take away the paint from luka and kyrie notice how they guarded both luka and kyrie on and off ball vs role players
This is where the services of Maxi Kleber will be sorely missed. He's the one guy who can actually shoot 3's on a decent clip especially in the corner.
He always would allow them to switch pick n rolls. Dallas are forced to play drop with Gafford/Lively. Kleber is a huge miss
It’s always the role players that are keys for a playoff dub
This is what makes Chet a true unicorn. He can do all of the things the opposing bigs can do all in one package. Kleber’s 3 point shooting, Lively’s roll and lob threat as a high flyer, Gafford’s paint protection
@@jolosarmiento24 also Klebers switch ability and ability to hold up guarding in space
Huge loss for this series. He's also comfortable shooting at volume when left open (eg he'll take 5 3s in a quarter)
Who’s here after the Mavs won the series because their shooters were left wide open? 😂😂😂
Next series proved this was the right strategy. Bad shooters can just get hot. Luka pick and roll was unbeatable
PJ Washington goes 7/10 from deep and this video pops up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thunder were asking for it doing this stupid shit
Daignault needs to be tested
Yea crazy timing for this video to drop after the mavs role players have a good shooting night 🤔
@@byronveasley9931 this video was out before the game. Waay before the game
Josh green shot 60% from outside
Okc are good. Hella good for a young team. But lets be honest, them beating dallas in 7 games is not gonna happen.
This aged well....
3 weeks later and this is unironically true. Not doing this made it even worse for the timberwolves. OKC was 1 point away from a game 7 at home instead
This strategy cost them dearly on game 2 😅
And 3
man did this backfire or what?
I'm no mathematician, but I don't think this shit working.
So basically Mavs are trash at 3s and Thunder is just daring them to let their role players shoot
It's been a story in the regular season too, the main issue is that Luka's shot is not falling this playoffs so it's hard to win when no one can hit 3s.
They put defensive players around him .
The mavs are streaky from 3. The clippers also tried doing this and Kleber, a 35% 3point shooter just shot 50% from 3 for the series and it's similar with other players too.
Also with Kleber injured they always have to play a non-shooting big.
Okc is only doing this cause theyre confident that they can still score more even when dallas role players shoot above 40% from deep.
Dallas bigmen were forced to consistently make great defensive recoveries cause perimeter defense always gets blown by. Relying on highlight defensive stops is unreliable.
man i was waiting for wolves defense game 2 but this is still great
listen to the podcast. ben and cody talk about that game 2 a lot in the recent episode.
Best defensive playoff game alltime, given opponent and situation
Awful Coaching breaks it down 👍🏽
Minnesota did the same thing except they left good shooters open because they all have rockets up their ass. So they have five guys around Jokic and by the time the pass arrives a defender is getting there when the ball does so there's no shot.
I'm still half convinced they were on drugs. I've never seen a team play that hard for that long and they just didn't seem to get tired. An absolutely insane defensive performance. It was like having five Dennis Rodman's on the court.
UR SUCH A CASUAL!!!!
You owe the Mavs an apology. Their role players and coaching staff were amazing, but I assume you’ll stay quiet until their next loss. Disappointed is an understatement
He owes the Mavs an apology for analyzing why they lost game 1?
@@nickmclawhorn5559He only makes videos when the Mavs lose, goes ghost when they win
Well this certainly backfired in game 2 lol
And 3 lmao
And 6
I’ve came to a realization this guy doesn’t like Dallas. Last few Dallas videos have been basically “this is why Dallas sucks” videos
I knows he mad lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro always making videos when the mavs lose but crickets when they’re up.
Yeah these guys seem like big time mavs haters hardly ever see a postive video about the mavs from them
They are extremely big Mavs haters. Really a joke how biased the vids are.
Yea fuck Thinking B-ball and B-Ball breakdown
@@AnkitSharma-qm7sg if the Mavs win it all, he switches the channel to „the thinking crochet connoisseur“, never talks about this whole basketball thing again. I mean, it doesn’t really matter what happens from this point on. By reaching the WCF the Mavs allready completely busted this dudes whole line of arguments.
See this is why I don’t pay attention to the media etc during the playoffs. Lose one game out of a best of 4 & your a bum etc.
I love how you always points out the holes in every strategy in your videos, both defense and offense. You always acknowledge that no defense and offense is perfect. There's no surefire way to win against every team every time. Every strategy is about compromises and concessions. Great game plans are about who concedes less, who played more to their strengths, who capitalized more on their opponent's weaknesses. It's always about "less and more", and not "none and all". Even the best offence is going to get stopped some time, and even the best defence is bound to have a hole. I think a lot of basketball fans missed this point, and you have some great quality content to remind them.
playoffs are about finding a little edge to get one game...then you have to go back to the drawing board. As a mavs fan, I hate J Kidd's in game adjustments - they're non-existent...Game to Game though, he's been very good. I think OKC has more depth and better coaching, but Luka and Kyrie can win you at least two games just by sheer will. Overall, I think the Thunder win this in 6 because Luka is absolutely dogshit from 3pt this postseason. That knee is clearly a huge problem for him.
Its not just compromises but also consistency. Someone noted the Wolves played game 2 like there were five Dennis Rodmans around Jokic. I'm not surprised if the Wolves can't match that same defensive intensity in games 3 and 4. Especially when the Nuggets are healthy have the playmaking and shooting to figure out aggressive style defenses with athletes like the Wolves in the middle of the series. Also doesn't help the Wolves outside of nice shooting in game 1 don't really have a consistent bucket getting threat outside of Edwards. In the case of the Thunder/Mavs series, even if the Mavs have streaky shooters they still have the constant threat of Luka being a walking bucket in big playoff games down the stretch. Whereas the Thunder only have SGA. Even on an 'efficient' shooting night the rest of the Thunder players aren't threats to go off like Kyrie or PJ Washington on his hot streak atm.
My takeaway from the video is that the mavs best ball handlers, Luka and Kyrie, are also the best 3 point shooters. They might have to do some weird plays involving those two passing to each other to get 3 pointers.
Also: will we see a breakdown of TWolves defense vs Denver? Did they solve the puzzle, or is Murray just having a bad postseason?
Both I feel. More on the second one imo. I believe Jamal Murray in the previous year is closer to how good he actually is than his performance in this year. In the case Jamal performs like last year, Denver's offense is much more difficult to defend. Especially once the shooters can actually hit their shots like last year.
Refs allowing sus amount of contact also hmmmmnnnn....
And murray is injured not 100% healthy
He did one 3days ago
I don't know why I forgot about it when I posted, I even saw it when it came out. Hope we get more breakdowns for that series eventually because it's pretty amazong.@@mr.bellefleur
Still waiting for these idiots to address their nonsense about Luka and Kyrie being overrated.
And then Dallas shoots 50% from 3 in game 2 with PJ Washington & Tim Hardaway Jr
2-1 since this vid. Where’s our victory video hmm?
He never said a word about the Clippers series too, after that „8 points for a quarter“ vid, when he realized the Mavs would win. He’s just a gigantic hater, who tries to disguise his hate behind „analysis“.
@@nikolai_art Thinking "Idiotically" Basketball!
Basically running a 3-2 zone most of the time 🤧😵💫
More of a 1-2-2 zone
This boasting of okc strategy implementation aged like milk on summer day
They won't be ignoring them anymore. Washington & Hardaway Jr combined for 46 points on 61% shooting, including a bunch of 3's.
With a one-legged Luka & injured Kleber, the Mavs *NEEDED* this kind of contribution from the other players.
man lukas getting CLAMPED and his teammates can’t throw a rock in a swimming pool at times. it’s tough to watch.
Yeah, I think i will be different in Dallas when they allow Mavs to be more physical. There will be more transition scoring.
They are certainly guarding Luka very well! But it pains me to watch him struggle so much from 3 and lose his first step completely, his knee injury that he very physical Clippers series aggravated is still bothering him and the energy of the game would definitely change if that wasn't the case.
Yes after 6 years of the league not being able to guard him they finally figured him out
OR
He's injured
Bro is injured, dude.
This mans need WAAAY more help
Why the Thunder wanted to lose in 6 😂 got any more of your brilliant analysis? It’s absolutely hilarious you still couldn’t do any positive video about the Mavs, while a clearly hobbled Luka has led them to the WCF - again. You should do another video telling us how Luka doesn’t impact his teams performance 😢
4-2
Yea how’s that going in game 2 😂
i irony that OKC lost because of poor 3 point percentage, and while they benefit from soft fouls (SGA), they ended their run by commiting foul on crucial secs 🤣
Now what?
So..... 3 - 2 now. Whats your next move?
Thanks OKC for making PJ a breakout star this series !
so blessed to live in a time where I can watch a basketball breakdown like this. thanks
Good. Now make a video how this OKC strategy allowed PJ Washington to become a leading scorer on the Mavs and the reason they won game 2 and 3 by attacking that open lane with floater mismatches and 3's against Shai.
This aged like fine garbage.
Whoa! Kim's Convenience reference out of nowhere. Taylor knows basketball AND great Canadian family sitcoms.
I'm just throwing out feelers to see who else enjoys hanging out in a Toronto convenience store.
And Mavs shot lights out in game 2
Didn’t work out so well in Game 2.
Go Mavs
Jazz tried this against the Clippers a few years ago, and I still see Terrance Mann in my nightmares 😂 so it’s a dangerous game the Thunder are playing
Exactly what i was thinking too lol might work for a game or two but def cant keep dallas offense quiet for that long
I’d actually argue the opposite. The Mavs are at their best when they get to the paint, if you take that away and make them only shoot 3s there’s a much higher chance they miss that shot compared to a 5 foot pull up or layup. It would take a monster game from the role players hitting 3s for the Mavs offense to make OKC change game plans. Maybe it happens a couple games but it won’t be a common occurrence lol
Very dangerous 😭📈
Bang
like nine thousand other videos on the fatty other euro but my pookie bear can't get 1 hype tape video in the playoffs
The amount of open 3's Luka generate is ridiculous.
Best iso scorer in the league
I love how this was posted today
Today in Game 2, Wash and Jr’s shots were going in. Thats the difference.
Edit: I forgot that Dort got an early foul trouble today.
The Mavs loosing Maxi Kleber hurts a lot in those situations where the opponent willingly helps of the roleplayers.
Well, that didn't work out that well in Game 2 ...
Here after PJ Washington and the Dallas role players ripped apart Thunder idiotic scheme . PJ Washington for 7 3s alone. Hardaway and green got hot too. Back to the drawing board for the thunder.
am here after Mavs won game 2
If someone followed the NBA only through your RUclips channel, he would think the Mavs are complete trash. So how did they win 4 games against the Clippers, and now two against OKC? And with a clearly injured Luka Doncic. Think you could overcome your hate and do a positive video about the Mavs playoffs? I guess not huh, your hate must be really really strong.
100% only posts a video when the mavs lose -.-
Thank you for posting today is Thinking 🏀 Day!
Okc fan since 2015, I think this is our best chance of winning a chip, let’s go thunder!!
yall got time all young players from gsw fan
@@zicobond9942 Fr that championship window is huge. If they win now, they could take this entire league over. No doubt they'll still have much a chance at the chip this year as they will in 8, barring some unfortunate circumstances.
I remember folks were talking about the celtics Window with Jaylen and Tatum, but the thunder have some insane talent everywhere, and most of em' are under 30.
thunder vs wolves wcf 😲
@@falcon1378nah championship windows dont ever last very long. something will happen. We though Heatles would win 8, they won 2. KD warriors only won 2. That 2012 OKC thunder team, everyone thought they had a long window... never made it to the finals again. You have to take your chance when you have it, because the future is unpredictable
Best chance was when they were up 3-1 to GSW.
Defense is really coming back man, you love to see it
These vids are so much more enjoyable during the playoffs when matchups matter and and weaknesses are exploited by good coaching and execution
1:58 why isn’t PJ Washington making. a sneak cut alongside the baseline when SGA fully commits with a lunge towards the ball?
It’s not just the dared to shoot thing it’s the fact that they stay stationary making it was easier to guard.
2:59 Josh Green can flare screen Kyrie as his man is pulled in and would be in a long closeout scenario provided Green sets a solid pick before slipping to the hoop.
Cause he sucks
Hey Thinking Basketball, why dont you make a video about how the Mavs are now hitting their 3s? Or did you happen to get too ahead of yourself after Game 1? Womp womp.
Man its almost like they have the coach of the year or something
Mavs just gotta hit shots
one of the reason maxi injury hits them hard
The thing is luka has been 10-20% from 3 the last series as well. If he fixes that, okc could revert to the man and we could have a series
True but they’re tripling him hard in both series. Bro needs role players to hit some wide open threes
@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879facts okc def would rather lose to josh green and thj than luka
@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879what? There was no triple team. They only brought help on Luka when he got near the paint. There wasn’t even a double team to get the ball out of his hands. Luka fanboys just type anything to try and excuse his bad performance.
His knee is shot, his step back is very leg strength/stability dependent. I don’t think his percentages will pick up very much during this year’s run. The best hope is that he can bring down his 3p volume a bit and Kyrie can be more aggressive to balance it out.
@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879Luka knee clearly been a problem. Luka has been settling for like 10 setbacks a game and missing a majority of them
You got an update video to this?
Hahaha they shouldnt let that again after this game 2
Didn’t work tonight unfortunately
Lu Dort has been the best defensive guard in the league since putting the clamps on Harden in the bubble. The difference is that now they are a crafty young team and they all believe in each other. Really looking forward to Okc vs Minnie and Ant vs Dort
every time josh green got the ball in the corner i already knew the possession was ending there without a single point
Luka is clearly hurt and in pain. Seems like THJr didn't make a field goal since last season. Kyrie didn't show. It's tough to watch
the Dortress of solitude definitely hurts
@@aaronmcnair982 talking about solitude... ruclips.net/video/ntjSu46pTU4/видео.htmlsi=bTLyuGqOUqqryzQD
@@aaronmcnair982 Talking about solitude... ruclips.net/video/ntjSu46pTU4/видео.html
HES NOT IN PAIN STOP MAKING EXCUSES, YOU'RE DEF A CELTICS FAN!!!!
The energy and team ball from the Thunder is such a thrill to watch! Will be curious if some of these open 3's for the Mavs start going in game 2 or especially when they get back to Dallas.
Thinking basketball is on their A game for the playoffs: I've been loving these breakdowns!
Need those corner guys to cut for easy lobs, those defenders are ball watching! Need offensive guys to stay active.
I was thinking the same thing especially if DJJ is cutting he has stupid bounce. Also I think they shouldn’t just settle for the 3 they should drive in when they have the ball. I think that would cause chaos because everyone would be focus on the drive that luka could slip back out to the 3 and be wide open. I’m no head coach but I think it could work.
Except you have one of the best rim protectors in the league in Chet waiting there. Thunder also lead the league in turnovers caused and deflections. It’s a dangerous game. They won all year because you have to match them with small ball and shooting or they just overrun you.
@@bigdaddydzzzzzz unless you want to switch up your entire offensive scheme that’s the only thing you can do unless they finally hit open 3s. Maybe they could make Dante run the high pick in roll and leave luka and kyrie off ball. That way they are less likely to run that defense but now the ball outta there best players hands. It will be interesting to see what Dallas does.
Here after the 2nd win 😂😂😂
Is the title of this video a play on the iconic Switchfoot song "I Dare You to Move"? 😆
Kim's Convenience! love the reference
I swear to God every time the Warriors tried this game plan this season, some guy you've never heard of who shoots 25% from 3 would go 7/10 from 3
👀💀 you gamble?
I’m sorry I just trust Dallas a little more. I just don’t think that the thunder are going to beat them. I don’t know why it’s just a gut feeling for me.
OKC is so damn good
Is there a link to the full video?
Really interested to see this whole conversation.
So what happens when the Mavs start making their 3s? It's a high risk high reward strategy, that's probably based on analytics.
If the Mavs can't make 3s, then they're never going to win a ring anyway.
i was literally thinking this when watching the game !!!
Best breakdowns of all-time
I see an upload, I click!
Shouldn’t this video and comments be about how bad OKC are that Luka is clearly injured and playing well below his normal playoff output and yet the Mavs are still up 2-1
Quite now…
Dort is allowed a level of physicality on defense that Mavs were not.
This aged like a fine milk
the Tony Allen treatment for OKC fans is the Andre Roberson treatment
Not in game 2. Tim is streaky but anytime can be hot just like PJ and Jones.
All them corner 3s are something to regret for OKC now lmao
love the kims convenience reference
....and this is why they lost Game 2 😂 PJ cooked the Thunder
I am learning to understand basketball with every single upload. Thank you, Ben!
DORTURE CHAMBER!
Watching this during the game 2 time-outs, It helped me a lot to understand why OKC are letting so much space to Dallas Role players, Thanks !
For OKC to be this good already with 10+ 1st round picks still in their back pocket. Dynasty incoming.
lol not yet
great
mavs took game 2!
Looks like zone defense to me.
Love these matchups. ANT, SGA and Luka are elite.
cant do it against PJ tho !!
How do I implement this in 2k please??
Can’t wait for a SGA Ant matchup. Two young and energetic teams, two best guards in the league.
Ant isnt better than Brunson, hes just more exciting and has more potential
You ain’t getting and SGA Ant matchup
@@PantsaBear Defense matters, Ant is around all-defense level on that end
@@PantsaBear Brunson is outstanding this post season, I’d say it’s close, but personally I’d still take Ant over him.
You might have to wait a while
It’s so funny seeing people sitting on their coach not giving okc and especially Lu dort defense credit when you got nba players praising them night in and night out. Great video i think the physicality in this playoffs will go in the favor of OKC and their amazing defense but also. Nobody on the mavs team can defend SGA or JDUB without fouling so OKC is a TUFF team to beat
Luka got him in foul trouble in no time tho
@@ouonouanwilfried-desire7758 he’s been there before he got those fouls because he settled the physical tone early he wont go for those anymore
If refs would call fouls on Luka the same as they did for sga he would shoot 20 of them in first half and Lu would sit in 2q down with 4 fouls to his name
@@gospaironija2762found the Mavs fan!
@@gospaironija2762 cope more lmao luka shoot as much ft as shai gtfo
The thunder have one of the strangest physical makeups in their lineups, you are usually seeing 4 6'3-6'6 guys with huge wingspans and chet or jaylin williams. The only man who doesn't have a huge wingspan is josh giddey with his trex arms.
using the clippers’ blueprint but with a more cohesive unit and much much faster pace to fully take advantage of this
Excellent analysis man ✌
maybe I'm wrong but I don't think this is a sustainable strategy. Dallas might suck at shooting threes but just letting them launch gimmes is gonna lose the Thunder games too.