Weezer - Pinkerton (FIRST REACTION)
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0:00 intro
0:08 Tired Of Sex
2:59 Getchoo
4:30 No Other One
7:20 Why Bother?
9:58 Across The Sea
13:27 The Good Life
16:17 El Scorcho
18:45 Pink Triangle
21:06 Falling For You
23:15 Butterfly
25:43 final thoughts 
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It's funny that you mention that this feels self-aware or satirical about the stereotypical emotional struggles of the lyrics, because I feel the polar opposite about this album. There is some weird level of sheer sincerity about the way Rivers straight up talks about his creepy thoughts about that Japanese fan; or how he reads the diary of the girl in "El Scorcho"; or the iconic "I'm dumb, she's a lesbian" line, with zero attempt at subtext.
It just feels so unfiltered and juvenile, almost autistic in its (imo) lack of self-awareness.
bro just called rivers autistic lmao
Exactly, if he did any research on this album he would know that Rivers poured his heart out on this album
@@hivedrops8326 I mean, he kinda is
Or at least it seems so
@@hivedrops8326 I mean I believe he is, afaik
@@hivedrops8326Rivers is 100% on the spectrum lol
What you said about this being a concept album is partly true, Rivers had recorded demos for a concept album named “songs from the black hole”.
It was to be a sci fi rock opera about a crew of astronauts going on a mission in outer space with the captain representing rivers,falling in love with the other female crew mates.
Inspired by the opera “Madama butterfly”,Pinkerton is in fact named after a character in that opera.
However because of River’s loneliness,frustration with life in Harvard, and having to be on painkillers after undergoing an extensive surgery to lengthen his right leg which has given him chronic physical pain.Rivers’ mindset at the time took a darker turn and he began writing vulnerable and emotional lyrics,he scrapped the concept album and began recording Pinkerton without a producer with the intention of capturing his raw feelings musically.
Songs from the black hole is still regarded as the biggest what-if in the weezer fandom.
This album (especially the B-Sides) is of an awkward, depressed guy being way too honest and emotional to us the listener. That's what it is to me, and I love it.
Across the Sea has writing credits for the girl who’s mentioned in the song. She sent rivers a letter, it’s mostly the first verse.
Classic album that was absolutely hated on release. the cult following this album has received over the years Is amazing.
Love every track on here but Pink triangle has always been my favorite for some reason and I really hope they play it when I go see them live in a few days. They usually do but knowing my luck they probably won’t.
Pink Triangle, El Scorcho and Good Life are the songs I come back to from this album the most "I'm dumb, she's a lesbian" is unironically just a really funny line and it gets a laugh from me almost every time. I feel like it is the "Oh wait" after him reassuring himself on El Scorcho.
The only reason I like Pink Triangle at all is because something very similar happened to me before
Most underrated album
Really enjoying your reaction vids! It's refreshingly watching someone listen to some of my favs for the first time.
Some thoughts on Across The Sea:
Although you felt it to be predatory, I would consider that Rivers addresses that acting on his thoughts to be wrong. "I could never touch you - I think it would be wrong". He's already thought about power dynamic issues that happen with having relations with a fan. Despite his intense loneliness and desperation for love (or lust), he's able to process through and knows it would be wrong to act on it. He goes on in the bridge to reflect on his want for a relationship, just not from a fan.
I think I read this somewhere:
"Across The Sea is less about 'I wonder how you touch yourself', and more about growth into 'As if I could live on words and dreams and a million screams, oh how I need a hand in mine to feel'"
This album isn’t goofy and it’s not satirical, it’s serious, and it’s actually one of the main influences of the 3rd wave of emo. You’re downplaying the hell outta this
I mean, to be fair it doesn't take itself SUPER seriously, with lyrics like "shaking booty, making love all through the night" or "I'm dumb, she's a lesbian" it's hard to present it as a incredibly serious album. Don't get me wrong, it's a serious album, but it's serious in a way that you can still find comedy (albeit somewhat dark comedy) within it
You are right about its influence on emo though. I read recently that Why Bother? in particular was an influence on Saves The Day's Through Being Cool.
I never stated that the whole album is goofy. there's goofy moments and serious moments.
@@DAVECHER Exactly.
You're right that it's not satirical, but it's definitely goofy af lol
@@layne05 literally, in a middle of no where, one of the lines for Butterfly is “if I’m a dog then your a b*tch” like what?
Across the Sea I think at least shows a honest struggle with the fan-artist power dynamic and eventually, a distancing and rejection of it. He even says "I could never touch you, I think it would be wrong" and he never ends up meeting her or touching her, and he cuts off their contact and basically says "Letter for a Song, we're equal now. Nothing further is needed". At least if we're taking River at face value here.
Most rock artists have no problems sleeping with fans, sleeping with hundreds of them, many of them not of age either. Rivers here is pointing out an issue, wrestling with it, and coming out on the right side of it. Other rock artists just sleep with the teens and move on.
totally correct comment. he's trying to express that he only feels like the people (at the time when he was at harvard) he was around didn't relate or "want" him - his fans are the only ones but he can't morally engage with them, despite what his peers may do
EXACTLY. I’ll never understand why people claim to be offended by the song, he handles it in a more mature way than most rockstars have historically.
This is a really thoughtful way to take it. I don't agree fully, but I think the songwriting is insane on Across the Sea. The visual of sniffing and licking the envelope is so raw and perfect in the song.
this is the best weezer album. I will never forget seeing them in a club right after this album came out. 2 hours. every song off both albums except only in dreams. They went so hard.
Only in dreams is the best one on blue
Ayyyy he did it! I remember listening to Pinkerton after hearing blue and wondering what the fuss was about, I thought there was no way it could actually be the better album. But after a few listens it clicked and I’m team Pinkerton for sure now
the deluxe version of the album has some nice additional songs btw
Waiting on You is so good I wish it was played live
fr not a singular song in the world beats long time sunshine
I LOVE TRAGIC GIRL
Devotioooonnnnn
Now that you've listened to the big two, you are finally ready for the white album. It's a masterpiece.
I'd say Everything Will Be Alright In the End before that
@@Lebowski55 I’d say maladroit before that
@@mando7851 I say green album before that, because that right after Pinkerton
Everything will be alright in the end =w=
@@Lebowski55 tbh I think EWBAITE and White don't hit as hard if you haven't slogged through everything post-Pinkerton
Definitely you didn't understand Pinkerton
I've never seen so much swinging and missing.
I love your reactions man! keep it weezy🧑
More Weezer albums
Butterfly is about having a romanticized idea about relationships and damaging and destroying them in reality because one's idealized romantic desires are unrealistic and damaging to the other person. The subject is continually pursuing this romantic ideal in a cyclical way, but he can't help but destroy what he loves because it's a one-sided love. The key is the verse:
"I guess you're as real as me/ Maybe I can live with that/ Maybe I need fantasy/ Life of chasing butterfly" He's not understanding his partner as a real person and is only fulfilling a fantasy that will inevitably end in his conquest of the butterfly which results in her metaphorical destruction and his moving on to another "butterfly."
I fuckin love this album 😭
This is like intrusive thoughts had a soundtrack. It lingers. Stays there and once you get it you will never be the same.
That's why it's a masterpiece.
The thing is the whole album is serious and personal, that’s literally the headspace he was in at the time. He was so far gone and that’s kind of the whole idea. He had a very dark era of his life when he went to school at Harvard after touring for the Blue Album, and that’s what all the songs are about.
my dude is inches away from getting it, he's gotta listen to the whole thing maybe 2 more times before Butterfly takes him out completely
As hanging James Franco would say, "first time?"
Omg, kids are listening to Weezer. 🥹 I wanna cry tears of joy
lol I clicked this just to see your response to across the sea. I wear my millenials and gen z are so self righteous it’s nauseating
please listen to maladroit, its one of weezers most undersold albums and its most underrated, trust. me, like criminally underrated, its up there with pinkerton and white in my opinion
Seriously, Maladroit os so frickin good and people really don’t give it enough credit.
Maladroit is my favourite album by then easily.
Maladroit is eh
@@realcopoolman how could you
This is one of the best albums ever!
You mention River’s voice sounds different on this album, this is particularly because he recorded it when he went through a painful leg surgery so he was in not only emotional, but physical pain as well.
in an interview, rivers said he'd like his voice back in pinkerton and talks about how it might have implanted with the ok human album
Picking one of my favorite albums of all time to review? I’m subbing immediately lol
I love Weezer ❤
Thank you for this =w=
We are making it out of Japan with this one
You should really listen to “Long Time Sunshine” it’s a b side from Pinkerton Deluxe and is a great closer to the album
My dad used to always sing me Butterfly before I went to bed.
That's beautiful. I have a toddler right now who loves blue album songs and pork and beans, and I always play The Good Life on guitar for him. Thanks for reassuring me I'm not a crazy parent.
I hate to be the one to say this but rivers was so deadass bro 😭😭😭
Bare cheeks
Always been my favorite album …dark heavy and raw
Two Weezer albums you should definitely react to :
White Album - just a good beach pop rock album but much more modern.
Ok Human - an orchestral album that is actually pretty damn good. Gives me Beatles vibes.
Both still got that goofy aspect Weezer brings and OKH especially so because its literally a day in a life of Rivers but both are immaculately produced.
You should listen to the deluxe versions of Blue and Pinkerton
Their best record. We need whole weezer discog reaction now
Would love to see you react to Smoking Popes, another great band born in the 90's. Born to Quit and Destination Failure are both stellar albums 🧡Consists of a trio of brothers. Musically simple, lyrically potent.
i think you need to hear the album "everything will be alright in the end", its one of the best albums they made after blue and pinkerton, for me its the 3rd best with the white album too
I’m not as big of a fan of this one as I am of the blue album or Everything Will Be Alright In the End, something about it just doesn’t click for me as much, still one of their best.
Please do a review of Carnavas by Silversun Pickups. Amazing indie/shoegaze band
If you haven’t listened to it, maybe try Definitely Maybe by Oasis. Probably my favorite album as of now
Please do the B-sides from these 2 albums.
This is a concept album, it’s a rock retooling of the opera Madama Butterfly
You should definitely listen to the white album and ok human by weezer. Two albums a lot of people think are as good as their first 2
This entire album comes from a concept rock opera that is a stand-in for his loneliness with new found fame. Rivers is in his mid-20's and he has no emotional connection or intimacy with the people he meets every day. A lonely solitary soul drowning in a sea of fans and the awkward, heartbreaking, and often creepy ways he lashes onto people and concepts to try to escape his predicament. It's not a parody, but sincere transparency into the failings that all people have - a blistering representation of his own pains.
Read the excerpt from his Harvard application essay and then you'll realize what the album is about, it's about feeling alone, being alone, and the desperate flailing of not trying to drown.
Congratulations, you are at peak Weezer. Best to turn back now.
he needs to listen to raditude
One thing to consider about Across the Sea is that it has to be put in context with the 90s. There was a real emphasis on irreverence and a tendency to touch upon dark topics. You also have to consider that even at 1996,the American pop culture psyche was still in departure mode from puritanical Christian values. This track is pretty vanilla by comparison to many other songs from that era.
Also keep in mind that a lot of the angst between genders had not really calcified at that point and there was a certain amount of permissiveness to the “boys will be boys” mentality, which allowed for far less self censoring of these darker thoughts saying the quiet parts out loud was maybe the point.
Like a lot of boys growing up in this era that would gravitate towards counter culture, toxic masculinity was something that was reviled but still secretly envied. It was kinda the ideal and what women tended to gravitate towards. Being a rock star gave Rivers that alpha quality that he never had, and to have admirers across the world was a temptation of both ego and opportunity- but one he ultimately thinks better of.
Do white album it's just as good as blue and pinkerton.
you either find across the sea the best masterpiece of all time or some weird creepy shit
or both
i personally find it the first thing because he was in a very bad time when he wrote this album and songs like that are more about his unwanted desires caused by being desperate then just him being weird and creepy and all
but i getcha, couldve been delivered better
actually nevermind, i think the only reason i like across the sea so much is because i liked a girl who lives across the sea once
@@IkinBBfromAnthologyOfTheKiller i just like the melodies
i think its not like "toxic and immature" its genuinely a perception everyone else has in their life at SOME point, even if they can look back and call it dumb (like rivers himself has about this whole album) its still something that is real to him at this point, you should understand that immediately
Not so fun fact .. when this album release, it was #3 on worst albums according to rolling stone magazine and critics, but over time it became praised as one of their best albums as well as helping lead the way for emo
Make sure you react to the albums everything will be alright in the end, the white album, ok humans
White album please
Nah bro you just explained why the predation enhhances to the theme of the song, he doesnt want to live his own life and becomes obsessesed with the quiet life of his fanyou gool!
Tired Of Sex: tired of superficial relationships
Getchoo: relationship where he was toxic
No Other One: relationship where she was toxic but he clung to her out of fear of not finding anyone else.
Why Bother?: fear of pursuing a relationship again, because it may be superficial again, or end up in a heartbreak like the last two relationships
Across The Sea: falls into depravity to cope with loneliness
The Good Life: gets his shit together
El Scorcho: a rather awkward reentering into the dating ecosystem, looking for something serious
Pink Triangle: an embarassing failure
Falling For You: possible success in finding something genuine
Butterfly: fuck up that drives her away, realization that maybe he's the problem.
This album is so raw geniune and might i say disgusting but it all makes up for an amazing experience of different emotions
A good reason why this is more musically interesting than Blue is because Rivers Cuomo studied music at Harvard in '96 just after Blue in an attempt to get away from things. Eventually the isolation of going to college inspired parts of Pinkerton. I'm glad you enjoyed the songwriting on this to a degree :)
This is a concept album, kind of.
It's basically about a guy who lives a rockstar lifestyle but at the same time is kind of a incel-loser
It's based of the character Benjamin F. Pinkerton from the opera Madame Butterlfy, about a asshole US sailor in allied-occupied Japan, who gets married to a 16 year old Japanese girl, has a kid, then dips.
You can interpret it as sort of some sort of modern retelling of the opera but you gotta use your imagination
'Butterfly' is more directly about the relationship between Pinkerton Chi-Chi (I think that was her name) so you can interpret the previous tracks to be about his previous escapades, or maybe women that he's cheated on Chi-Chi with
This album is a reflection of the pain rivers felt during his leg size correction surgeries
after the blue album as a college sophomore in '92 (loving most of it), this album 4 years later seemed so lame, partly due to all the amazing music that happened in those 4 years. sooo much about what makes some music good has to do with timing. when youre in the scene at the moment, it carries so much weight with regard to how you judge how something sounds. i definitely wouldnt hold the blue album in such a high regard had it been released when pinkerton was. that being said, in retrospect, the blue album is still far superior to pinkerton and honestly anything else weezer did thereafter. im not one of those people that yells 'sellout' anytime anyone becomes popular, but they really seemed to lose whatever sense of edginess they may or may not have seemed to have in their debut after fame found them unexpectedly (and unprepared).
Yeah we're all done with this song. No worries.
Good video, but maybe show it unedited without all the skipping. it kinda takes away from a reaction video. Weezer
Also, The Violent Femmes self-titled 1983 debut is one of the best debut albums ever IMH(genx)O
i second this. i swear i can still smell the first time i heard this album... on a walkman lol
I feel like if this album was made by some more confident and less geeky people, it would not be received as well
pinkerton is great, not as great as blue though
White album
My favourite Weezer record, but I find it really hard to listen to. I was 12 when it came out. Makes me really sad even though the lyrics are really funny. He's exposing his dark side on purpose and the vulnerability combined with the negative reviews was a major reason why the band ultimately took such a long break before returning. "Across the Sea" and "Pink Triangle" are really sad songs. I can't even listen to "Butterfly". When social media really started taking off in the late 90s, Pinkerton got re-evaluated on fan messageboards for being a classic 90s album, which it is. The band has had some okay songs here and there, but I feel like Weezer were really a product of their time in the 90s. It's probably why so many early fans have had a hard time warming up to their later releases while simultaneously, so many modern younger people naturally can't relate to (what is now) a middle-aged band.
It's worth pointing out that Rivers was only 25 when writing this album. He ended up marrying his wife from Japan a year after this album.
On a sidenote: after you've reacted to these two albums, check out the Saturday Night Live skit "Weezer". it's not long, and pretty much sums up the typical Weezer fan perfectly.
hm. def not how i look at this album.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Pinkerton > Blue
i disagree but still a W
What’s with kids today? Gawd!!! 😪
You should skip all the way to their 2021 album Ok Human, it’s orchestral and 10/10
pink triangle is funny until you fall in love with a lesbian
Stop skipping all the riffs
next up: EWBAITE and White
It is weird how programmed younger people are to view things through a racist lens.
you mean younger people interpret things that are not racist as racist?
@@ouaislem Not really. I mean judging everything with an assessment of race attached. Essentially programming younger people to be racist.
@@ouaislemyes
the line has been blurred between racial and racist. younger kids have been programmed to be uncomfortable when anything 'racial' is brought up, regardless of context or intent, and its because of culture/media's insistence on labeling everything rAcISm...though I think it's mostly a white western phenomenon
Spent more time trying to be offended than actually understanding the message.
I loved your commentary on “across the sea” and think you’re totally justified in feeling a little icky about it. We sometimes forget that age is only one part of the consent equation - and I think you’re correct in your comment that the fan-celebrity relationship adds some nuance to the whole situation as that relationship has an inherent imbalance of power to it. It’s the same way that professor-student or employer-employee relationships can’t always be fully consensual even if both parties are technically above the age of consent - because of the inherent imbalance of power. Great insight 👏🏼
Why do you keep referencing "white" men as if it's a negative? Why should race even be mentioned or even relevant
ikr
Nah bro across the sea made me uncomfortable too lol. That second verse just ain’t it.
i recommend helvetia, they’re a side project of duster!
Yeah, seems like you're missing a lot. What a weird way to react to music.
Good luck though. You have a base, sure you'll be fine.