for the sibilance you can use gain automation to duck that top end, you need to use Waves Vocal Rider, or WA Productions Outlaw, or Melda MAutoVolume and side chain the top end. I use the Melda one.
The thing that makes the Neumann so awesome is it does has that high end boost. But it's sooo smooth. O lot of bright microphones come with a bit of harshness to it.
Thank you for first having the mics but show casing them. I’ve been thinking about getting the Tlm 103 but I actually wanted the wa8000 first. I thought the Tlm 103 would be a better bang for my buck but now I hear the difference. They both great mics but the wa8000 has everything the Tlm missing.
Did you let the tube warm up before this video?.. It needs to be warmed up for 30 mins i recommend an hour. But the Tube being cold gives the high end a harsh edge. If the tubes not warm ur missing a whole lot of top end in your recording
@@IAMTYNCH hello I happened to stumble across your comment and you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on Tube mics. I recently purchased a WA 251 and a WA 47 both being tube mics. The first session I did with them they seemed a bit harsh...(I let them warm for about 10-15 minutes) did I ruin them by already using them like that? OR do I just let them warm up longer next time around for the best possible recording.? Thank you sir.
@@manuellujan5625 They shouldn't be ruined. I generally warm my tubes up on ALL gear 1 hour before a session. If its a Vacuum tube compressor.. a vacuum tube pre amp or a tube mic. They ALL need warmed up atleast 1hr before a session. It should not be messed up by recording to soon.
@@IAMTYNCH got it! Thank you so much! Il be warming up my pres and mics an hour beforehand. Quick question hope that you don't mind answering I love learning from others that have more experience...I just recently also acquired Manley preamps that are also tubes...is there downsides of using both tube PREAMP and tube MIC together? That style of pairing....Hey once again Thank you for the info! Sorry for questions I'm just a seasoned musician that started my own studio and although it is has gone pretty well so far....I have alot to learn!!
WA87 sounds a bit dark for a U87 replica, it lacks that mid forwardness but still sounds good. the TLM103 is nice giving clear hi mids and the last mic for the price the top end sounds too harsh with huge spikes a bit embarassing for holding such a bold claim. so far it seems like all marketing and no credibility in the sound for that one
hey man that U87, WA and 103 would be brighter if the mic capsule wasnt pointed at your chest. point it directly at you mouth, if its pointed at your nose it wil be to much nasal. trust me it makes a difference have it directly infront of u and u wont have to do much EQ anymore
@@steezebag1093 Tilting it is useful but I find I have to do more EQing depending on the voice. But you said your U87 sounds dark and that definitely shouldn’t be the case so try pointing the capsule directly at your lips atleast 8in away with a pop filter 4in from the mic and 4 in from you and it should have that super nice sheen. Same with all the mics. Also I prefer metal pop shields just make sure your not right up on it
The TLM sounded better even with you holding it and no pop filter the warm audio sounded too crispy like it was extremely hyped in the top end and might become a problem later in it's life but to each is own I'm happy you're happy I look forward to hearing some records from you!
The tlm103 is like the Neumann starter pack mic though. That’s like their entry level mic and they aren’t even using the same capsule type. I’ve used the tlm for many years but the tlm67 I use currently is shitting on all of those. Might pick up the warm audio Sony clone in the future though
@@Mope333 yea U are correct, I don’t really count it because it’s like a shrunk down version of the 103. The 103 is a great mic. There are other options in that price point now though.
The Neumann is by far the crispy one! But the $$ makes the warm audio the best overall. The Gauge clones are a little brighter overall than the warm audio. Same price range. Just FYI.
@@steezebag1093 yeah if you don’t let tube mics warm up, you won’t get the full sound and experience from them. I’ve found that 15 minutes usually is a good time though. But, if you let the tube mic run for too long, then you will hear like a hissing tape noise from it.
@@isaacb3258 I left this one go 40 minutes or less on the second video I did and still got the harshness unfortunately. Maybe a pencil trick and cloth filter may work but I don’t want to have to baby a mic to get the results, that’s what I use my analog gear for rn with my wa87
Sm7 is a staple. Good on so many sources. I use it on guitars, metal vocals, and when I'm having a hard time getting enough hihat in the overheads, close-mic the hats with the SM7 and it's perfect. I'll always have one in the locker.
03:19 Inconvenient? 😂 Lol, bro you trippin' off 30 minutes, I have to warm all my tube mics up for 1 hour first. Good review though man, thanks for the comparisons.👍🏾
New video out now, explaining why I kept the WA87 !
for the sibilance you can use gain automation to duck that top end, you need to use Waves Vocal Rider, or WA Productions Outlaw, or Melda MAutoVolume and side chain the top end. I use the Melda one.
The thing that makes the Neumann so awesome is it does has that high end boost. But it's sooo smooth. O lot of bright microphones come with a bit of harshness to it.
Thank you for first having the mics but show casing them. I’ve been thinking about getting the Tlm 103 but I actually wanted the wa8000 first. I thought the Tlm 103 would be a better bang for my buck but now I hear the difference. They both great mics but the wa8000 has everything the Tlm missing.
I personally like the clarity of the TLM103 but the WA 8000 might be better for aggressive vocals like rap or rock. It sounds very “in your face”.
thank you sm for the advice brother, warm audio 8000 is THE ONE
Although not very comprehensive still a good “review”. Would love to hear a vocal shoot out between them. Thanks for uploading!
I’m going to do one with an artist performance to give us more context , thank you for watching 👍🏼
With Processed and unprocessed vocals if possible bro
@@beastofthewest3713 will do brother
Did you let the tube warm up before this video?.. It needs to be warmed up for 30 mins i recommend an hour. But the Tube being cold gives the high end a harsh edge. If the tubes not warm ur missing a whole lot of top end in your recording
I’m working on a side by side shoot out as we speak , I’ll definitely keep it in mind to warm it up longer
@@steezebag1093 I highly recommend it. cold tube vs Warm tube is a make or break a mic
@@IAMTYNCH hello I happened to stumble across your comment and you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on Tube mics. I recently purchased a WA 251 and a WA 47 both being tube mics. The first session I did with them they seemed a bit harsh...(I let them warm for about 10-15 minutes) did I ruin them by already using them like that? OR do I just let them warm up longer next time around for the best possible recording.? Thank you sir.
@@manuellujan5625 They shouldn't be ruined. I generally warm my tubes up on ALL gear 1 hour before a session. If its a Vacuum tube compressor.. a vacuum tube pre amp or a tube mic. They ALL need warmed up atleast 1hr before a session. It should not be messed up by recording to soon.
@@IAMTYNCH got it! Thank you so much! Il be warming up my pres and mics an hour beforehand. Quick question hope that you don't mind answering I love learning from others that have more experience...I just recently also acquired Manley preamps that are also tubes...is there downsides of using both tube PREAMP and tube MIC together? That style of pairing....Hey once again Thank you for the info!
Sorry for questions I'm just a seasoned musician that started my own studio and although it is has gone pretty well so far....I have alot to learn!!
i felt that the sm7b sounded just as good as the 87😂 u really compared 4 mics preciate it i’m sold on that wa8000!
I actually use the sm7b a lot more now too! Especially on mobile sessions , it’s a pretty good mic
WA87 sounds a bit dark for a U87 replica, it lacks that mid forwardness but still sounds good. the TLM103 is nice giving clear hi mids and the last mic for the price the top end sounds too harsh with huge spikes a bit embarassing for holding such a bold claim. so far it seems like all marketing and no credibility in the sound for that one
You could be right , I haven’t sent either back yet so I’ll do a more in depth test
NEUMANN TLM 103 IS A GREAT MIC
hey man that U87, WA and 103 would be brighter if the mic capsule wasnt pointed at your chest. point it directly at you mouth, if its pointed at your nose it wil be to much nasal. trust me it makes a difference have it directly infront of u and u wont have to do much EQ anymore
I’ll definitely try that out tonight, so are the ideas of tilting the mic just bs ?
@@steezebag1093 Tilting it is useful but I find I have to do more EQing depending on the voice. But you said your U87 sounds dark and that definitely shouldn’t be the case so try pointing the capsule directly at your lips atleast 8in away with a pop filter 4in from the mic and 4 in from you and it should have that super nice sheen. Same with all the mics. Also I prefer metal pop shields just make sure your not right up on it
@@ston3fr33 my guy , thank you so much !
The TLM sounded better even with you holding it and no pop filter the warm audio sounded too crispy like it was extremely hyped in the top end and might become a problem later in it's life but to each is own I'm happy you're happy I look forward to hearing some records from you!
The tlm103 is like the Neumann starter pack mic though. That’s like their entry level mic and they aren’t even using the same capsule type. I’ve used the tlm for many years but the tlm67 I use currently is shitting on all of those. Might pick up the warm audio Sony clone in the future though
Have you tried the Gauge brand clones. A little brighter overall than the Warm Audio and same $$
@@stevesmith1493 no I’ve only owned 2 mics. The tlm103 and the tlm67 both Neumann. I love the brand. I love the warm audio brand as well
I thought the tlm102 was the entry level
@@Mope333 yea U are correct, I don’t really count it because it’s like a shrunk down version of the 103. The 103 is a great mic. There are other options in that price point now though.
I wonder how this compares to lauten audios 320
The Neumann is by far the crispy one! But the $$ makes the warm audio the best overall. The Gauge clones are a little brighter overall than the warm audio. Same price range. Just FYI.
The wa87 would be good for female voices and higher pitched men's voices to add more body to the vocal.
But yes the last one has the best sound quality 🔥🔥🔥
Hell yea super crispy !
Yeah lmao, with all tube mics, you are supposed to let them warm up, that is literally how every one is.
Man I had no clue , only 2 years in here lol
@@steezebag1093 yeah if you don’t let tube mics warm up, you won’t get the full sound and experience from them. I’ve found that 15 minutes usually is a good time though. But, if you let the tube mic run for too long, then you will hear like a hissing tape noise from it.
@@isaacb3258 I left this one go 40 minutes or less on the second video I did and still got the harshness unfortunately. Maybe a pencil trick and cloth filter may work but I don’t want to have to baby a mic to get the results, that’s what I use my analog gear for rn with my wa87
@@steezebag1093 this is a reason some people don’t like the C800G, because of how bright and harsh it can be
I think your voice sounded best on Shure sm7b then TLM 103, but i still think 8000 is the best mic, but not on ur voice.
The one your talking out of is fire tho🔥🔥
Thanks bro , I mixed that one a little just for broadcast purposes , I left the others raw to see the real characteristics out the box
Sm7 is a staple. Good on so many sources. I use it on guitars, metal vocals, and when I'm having a hard time getting enough hihat in the overheads, close-mic the hats with the SM7 and it's perfect. I'll always have one in the locker.
@@omarsuarez694 yea man this video was my first time using it , very solid !
2:30 had me dying lmao
Hey guys I just dropped another video with an artist rapping on both mics , check it out let me know if it helps !
Thus the name “Warm Audio”. Try Gauge brand.
Guess im not getting the Neumann no more 😥
Cuz that WA8000 has so much body 😍
Wa8000 reminds me of the c800g… was WA aiming for that?
@@marcusprimus4334 it actually lacks a lot of body it’s really clear tho, that was the 103 too I still think the 102 is Dope
@@steezebag1093 damn, I was listening to it from my phone so maybe that’s why I felt that way. But didn’t u choose the wa8000 as the winner?
@@marcusprimus4334 yea I did but ultimately I sent them both back
03:19 Inconvenient? 😂 Lol, bro you trippin' off 30 minutes, I have to warm all my tube mics up for 1 hour first.
Good review though man, thanks for the comparisons.👍🏾
Man I had no clue about warming up mics until I had that Sony clone , I thought it was an anomaly . I see the game runs deep lol
@@steezebag1093 yeah but looks like you got good gear all around so you’re good to go.
Neither of the two WA held a candle to that 103. You can always EQ to taste later but you can't reliably fake body after the fact.
Hell nah that Tlm 103 was ten times better.. you ain’t listening bro..
We both cut our hair huh 😂
Haha yea man
tlm was best.