When it won't chamber the 1st round just pushed the magazine release button and release the pressure and then it will slam shut on its own and then just push that mag back up, you'll have to do that a few times with full mags then after that it's all good, Nuthen but butter..
If you’re seeing load angle being flat, you’re loading the magazines incorrectly. If you load them properly, the upward angle will be consistent throughout. This is a common issue with new CM33 owners just loading up their pistol as if it were a double stack 9mm. This is a rim fire pistol, rim being the catch word. If you don’t load the magazine correctly, it will malfunction. Though, few CM33s are available, the few that end up at the local range have owners griping about how much of a piece of junk it is, how Kel-Tec is junk, blah blah blah. We tell them, especially with the CM33 how to properly load their magazines and they always respond, “I did it that way”, when that apparently didn’t. We reload the magazines correctly and the weapons fire flawlessly. Don’t even get me started on the KSG owners. There is a video on you tube that shows how to properly load your CM33 magazines. Watch it. Read your owners manuals, understand how your weapon functions and quit blaming your new weapon until you’ve reasonably put it through its paces (unless it’s a new KS7, which DO have first gen issues). Good luck. 👍🏻
I'll give you this much. They are like Ferraris and race cars. Fun to drive, not bad at all if you don't mind pushing every so often, but get something else for work.
I’ll be glad when Maglula comes out with a cp33 speed loader. Maglula for my PMR-30 makes loading simple and perfect. I shoot the PMR-30 way more because of the speed loader.
I love the accuracy beause of the balance in the strange design. The trigger pull is short and crisp like a real competition target pistol should have and maybe a 2 and a half pound pull. The action is smooth. The front and rear shghts belong on a shot gun. They are so big you can drive a truck through them. This pistol is easily capible of pin point shots but these shghts are just huge for the task. The magazines I absolutely can't stand. Becaue of "Rim Lock," as it is described in the manuel, I got maybe two mags to shoot out of 7 or 8 loads. The darn thing has to be loaded perfectly or it will rim lock. I was shootiung his preferred CCI Mini mags too and jams. It is a design flaw that I think should have been cured in testing and redesign. Take for instance the Ruger Mark IV. It's a single stack but the grip angle is more and i believe that would have cured a lot of the feed issues and made rim lock less of a chance. Special loading instructions for a magazine is nuts if you ask me. I won't get rid of it because I also bought it for the threaded barrel and I will just have to concentrate on pampering the loading process. smh.
It also says the last round in the magazine has to be on the left hand side so when he only put 32 rounds he left the last round on the right hand side in the gun will not function that way when you start shooting it
Kel-tec also tells you to put the last round in other words the first round to come out of the magazine has to be on the left hand side of the magazine so when you short loaded the magazine with 32 rounds you did not follow the instructions and the gun will Jam. Go to make it simple for the people that are simple always leave an odd number of rounds in the magazine and you'll be fine.
You mean KelTek, right? CalTech is the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California. They literally are NASA's go-to rocket scientists since CalTech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory began working with NASA in the 1950s and 60s to land men on the moon. Now, if CalTech actually advised how to load KelTec's CP33 magazine, then their advise should DEFINITELY be followed. :)
Craig, you have an excellent channel. Your videos on this baby are really helpful, particularly the breakdown and well-filmed mag loading. Finally got my own CP33 "Total Recall" blaster today after six months waiting. Can't wait to break it in.
@@karlbruhner9140 Clarification: I waited six months for my dealer to track down one online to order for me. No wait period in NC, at least for now... do have the pistol purchase permits though.
I have the pmr30-cmr30-cp33 & i have come to find that any of the keltecs 22's either magnum or LR i found they all work best with 40grain,i found some 50 grain 22LR & they pack a pretty good punch,aint shot a lot of them but what few i have,their pretty potent for a 22LR.
great video. lots of hard word just to help us with one note worthy pistol. i believe installing the +17 round clip extension will help with the spring tension.
I took mine out today. First time ever shooting the thing. Got basically the same results. The mags are really a great cool concept but the construction of them is... bad. Maybe not ProMag poop tier bad but pretty bad. Your testing turned out better than mine did.
Thanks for the video. Tried the M22 ammo after getting my CP33 and watching your video the day before i picked it up. Had to many fail to fire for my liking. Went back to CCI mini mags and found the 1st round will chamber 99% of the time and if i make sure the 1st round is angled upward and not flat which i noticed will happen in the CP33 mag, it will chamber the 1st round all the time. Try it and let me know what results you get. Thanks
I will have to pay more attention on that first round to see if it is angling correctly the next time I take it out. Regarding the M22, I have had great luck with it in mine however 22 rimfires can be picky on ammo selection to a point, and the reality is that M22 is still a "bulk" ammo. Its hard to go wrong with CCI mini mags.
@@CraigsGunChannel agreed. I just got so use to CCI because they run through all my 22's with very little to no problems, but yes i do remember the experimental times before i just started running CCI all the time.
I had the exact same problem with mine with that first bullet not going into the tube all the way but as I kept using this Gun, it still did it once in a while so I went back to the user guide and to the page that said how to load this gun. I followed exactly how they said to start with a closed bolt and then insert the mag then pull back the charging handle and let it fly forward and this seemed to work much better for me. I also found out that you have to keep the magazine Clean because there is no feed ramp on the barrel and the tip of the mag is the feed ramp! They recommend that you should frequently clean these mags or you will have feeding problems! I also purchased a auto loader from LUDEX and It works great and I even bought another mag and installed that 17 round extension, which makes it a 50 round mag. After several more nRange sessions, No More Problems and I only use CCI Mini mags 40 grain round nose copper plated ammo! Good Luck with your CP33, you will love it!
I bought a CP33 yesterday. Spent 4 hrs. last night loading and unloading different rounds trying to get it to feed the first round. It never did, not once. I also ordered the American SpeedLoaders CP-33 Nest Style SpeedLoader. Should be in first of next week. I pray this fixes the problem.
Hey Craig great job. I have a cp33 and after running 2 mags through it, the next two were shit. Looking for info on why went through several videos. Your's was the clearest in pointing me in the right direction for my next trip to the range! Just subbed. Thanks
I took mine to the range and found it ran almost everything pretty well. I even tried some 30gr which didn’t do to badly. I did have quite a few FTE after 200 rounds or so. But I was using pretty dirty ammo
Think it has more to do with the grains of the bullet. Instructons state to use 40 grain bullets and up. High velocity. Mine has shot every 40 grain .22 flawlessly.
I guess I'm using cheap ammo? I used cci out of the box. I'm shooting Norma now. I disassembled and completely cleaned every tiny bit of the gun. It seems to be "after buying a speed loader as well" to be getting better. Is this finicky little gun just breaking in or are these guns just unreliable? I did contact Kel Tec and I have a great warranty at the store I bought from. Kel Tec offered free shipping. I have no way to return them, so I'm stuck there. I know this was a very ambitious move to make a pistol that operates like a rifle. Any loading ,cleaning, advice would be great. The speed loader makes a gorgeous stack, but the cp33 just to me seems very unreliable. I find a ton of shredded lead in the breach after one mag. Am I messing this up or is this gun just.... junk?
It sounds like you may have one that needs some work. But keep in mind the reality of what this pistol is. It is actually quite an engineering feat to design and produce a 22LR gun that can feed rounds with such large capacity magazines. There is a reason that most 22 pistols have a maximum of 10 rounds. Once you go over that you are entering the realm of reliability problems. Even Glock stayed away from going over the 10 round limit on their 22 pistol they recently released. With all of that said, it does sound like you need to have yours looked at.
Hey Craig, what do you think about using the M22 as the first round and mini mags for the rest? I've had the same issue of mini mags not loading great on the first round but all the ones after feed great. Thanks
all I shoot in 22 is cci mini-mag 95% 40g round nose-some hollow point I have a good stock on hand- leery about buying this gun- has Kel-Tec corrected 1st round problem? Joe
I am not aware of any particular changes. I think the issue is more on how the magazine is initially inserted and seated, so it's more of a training issue as opposed to a real fault on the pistol. Jamming 33 rounds into a quad stacked magazine is an impressive feat, so having to be careful in handling is just one of the tradeoffs.
@@CraigsGunChannel bought the gun today owners manual shows the rounds MUST stack not overlap on rim what they call rim lock- and reading on line first round must be pointed up ward - will find out tomorrow joe
@@CraigsGunChannel yes new cp 33 would not feed first round cci mini mag - shearing off sliver of lead and jamming -all other rounds fine - a little love polishing the barrel/cylinder entry ramp with 400 grit emory and all is good - great pistol! Joe
It may be possible someone will, however that is the primary selling point of the pistol so I am not sure if there is enough need for someone to put the expense into making it. However, depending on what happen legislative wise there may be a need. I am hoping not though.
Just got out of the range I’m having better luck just loading them by hand rather then the speed loader in purchased. Thus far CCI mini mag and stingers work great. Federal match , Winchester M22 and Remington golden ik buckets works flawlessly up to 15rds I’m still breaking the mags in
Hello and thanks for watching the video. What kind/brand of ammo are you using? Are you taking care to follow the loading instructions for the magazine? Also, what type of malfunctions are you getting, failure to load, eject or fire?
While not technically scientifically accurate, I would note that during the run of the test the ammunition that performed well did so at the beginning, and at the end of the test. This was after the ammo types that performed poorly. Had it been performance issues resulting solely from the firearm being dirty then it should have caused issues at the end with any ammo. I should also point out that these results have remained consistent in the time following this test. So while not a true blinded sample with control test, it does very well from a directional standpoint. Also to point out, these results are generalizations only. Some pistols will perform different with different ammo types. This is especially true with 22LR.
I think that may have been the case at one point, however for the most part that was not a driving issue. I tried to double check the magazine loading to ensure proper loading at each stage.
I loved it ...reminded me of the predator noise in the jungle lmao ..even my kid heard it and was like “ that sounds like predator , are u watching predator stuff again lol” classic
Hello and thanks for watching and commenting. In all reality I do not think it would have made much difference, as any ammunition that starts to malfunction if the pistol is dirty is still not a reliable ammo selection. However your comment is correct and I will work to implement controls for it going forward. That's how we all learn together.
I've found that cheap Remington Thunderbolt are super reliable and the best round to use for the cheapest fun!
Put a couple hundred rounds of Thunderbolt through with no malfunctions yesterday. Really glad I got his gun despite some of the bad pr
I really like mine, it's a fun range gun.
Those mics picked up the audio really well! Very impressive. I enjoyed this video in watching you in action.
Thanks, it was a fun one. I was surprised I could hear the woodpeckers on the mic, very happy with them.
When it won't chamber the 1st round just pushed the magazine release button and release the pressure and then it will slam shut on its own and then just push that mag back up, you'll have to do that a few times with full mags then after that it's all good, Nuthen but butter..
It is primarily due to friction made worse by virtue of being new. As it has broken in it has smoothed up and is generally no longer an issue.
If you’re seeing load angle being flat, you’re loading the magazines incorrectly. If you load them properly, the upward angle will be consistent throughout. This is a common issue with new CM33 owners just loading up their pistol as if it were a double stack 9mm. This is a rim fire pistol, rim being the catch word. If you don’t load the magazine correctly, it will malfunction.
Though, few CM33s are available, the few that end up at the local range have owners griping about how much of a piece of junk it is, how Kel-Tec is junk, blah blah blah. We tell them, especially with the CM33 how to properly load their magazines and they always respond, “I did it that way”, when that apparently didn’t. We reload the magazines correctly and the weapons fire flawlessly.
Don’t even get me started on the KSG owners. There is a video on you tube that shows how to properly load your CM33 magazines. Watch it. Read your owners manuals, understand how your weapon functions and quit blaming your new weapon until you’ve reasonably put it through its paces (unless it’s a new KS7, which DO have first gen issues). Good luck. 👍🏻
I'll give you this much. They are like Ferraris and race cars. Fun to drive, not bad at all if you don't mind pushing every so often, but get something else for work.
I’ll be glad when Maglula comes out with a cp33 speed loader. Maglula for my PMR-30 makes loading simple and perfect. I shoot the PMR-30 way more because of the speed loader.
I love the accuracy beause of the balance in the strange design.
The trigger pull is short and crisp like a real competition target pistol should have and maybe a 2 and a half pound pull.
The action is smooth.
The front and rear shghts belong on a shot gun. They are so big you can drive a truck through them. This pistol is easily capible of pin point shots but these shghts are just huge for the task.
The magazines I absolutely can't stand. Becaue of "Rim Lock," as it is described in the manuel, I got maybe two mags to shoot out of 7 or 8 loads. The darn thing has to be loaded perfectly or it will rim lock. I was shootiung his preferred CCI Mini mags too and jams. It is a design flaw that I think should have been cured in testing and redesign. Take for instance the Ruger Mark IV. It's a single stack but the grip angle is more and i believe that would have cured a lot of the feed issues and made rim lock less of a chance. Special loading instructions for a magazine is nuts if you ask me.
I won't get rid of it because I also bought it for the threaded barrel and I will just have to concentrate on pampering the loading process. smh.
The owners manual states that you only load the mag with up to 25 rounds for the first 5 loads. That might of solved a few of your problems.
It also says the last round in the magazine has to be on the left hand side so when he only put 32 rounds he left the last round on the right hand side in the gun will not function that way when you start shooting it
Kel-tec also tells you to put the last round in other words the first round to come out of the magazine has to be on the left hand side of the magazine so when you short loaded the magazine with 32 rounds you did not follow the instructions and the gun will Jam. Go to make it simple for the people that are simple always leave an odd number of rounds in the magazine and you'll be fine.
You mean KelTek, right?
CalTech is the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California. They literally are NASA's go-to rocket scientists since CalTech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory began working with NASA in the 1950s and 60s to land men on the moon.
Now, if CalTech actually advised how to load KelTec's CP33 magazine, then their advise should DEFINITELY be followed. :)
Craig, you have an excellent channel. Your videos on this baby are really helpful, particularly the breakdown and well-filmed mag loading. Finally got my own CP33 "Total Recall" blaster today after six months waiting. Can't wait to break it in.
Thanks for the comment and for viewing. Glad to hear you were able to pick one up and I am sure you will enjoy it.
6 months? Wow , what state required that?
@@karlbruhner9140 Clarification: I waited six months for my dealer to track down one online to order for me. No wait period in NC, at least for now... do have the pistol purchase permits though.
All ammo runs through like butter
I have the pmr30-cmr30-cp33 & i have come to find that any of the keltecs 22's either magnum or LR i found they all work best with 40grain,i found some 50 grain 22LR & they pack a pretty good punch,aint shot a lot of them but what few i have,their pretty potent for a 22LR.
great video. lots of hard word just to help us with one note worthy pistol. i believe installing the +17 round clip extension will help with the spring tension.
Thanks, I am glad you liked the video. I still have not acquired or tried out the extension yet, I need to get one to try it out.
I took mine out today. First time ever shooting the thing. Got basically the same results. The mags are really a great cool concept but the construction of them is... bad. Maybe not ProMag poop tier bad but pretty bad. Your testing turned out better than mine did.
Thanks for the video. Tried the M22 ammo after getting my CP33 and watching your video the day before i picked it up. Had to many fail to fire for my liking. Went back to CCI mini mags and found the 1st round will chamber 99% of the time and if i make sure the 1st round is angled upward and not flat which i noticed will happen in the CP33 mag, it will chamber the 1st round all the time. Try it and let me know what results you get. Thanks
I will have to pay more attention on that first round to see if it is angling correctly the next time I take it out. Regarding the M22, I have had great luck with it in mine however 22 rimfires can be picky on ammo selection to a point, and the reality is that M22 is still a "bulk" ammo. Its hard to go wrong with CCI mini mags.
@@CraigsGunChannel agreed. I just got so use to CCI because they run through all my 22's with very little to no problems, but yes i do remember the experimental times before i just started running CCI all the time.
I had the exact same problem with mine with that first bullet not going into the tube all the way but as I kept using this Gun, it still did it once in a while so I went back to the user guide and to the page that said how to load this gun. I followed exactly how they said to start with a closed bolt and then insert the mag then pull back the charging handle and let it fly forward and this seemed to work much better for me. I also found out that you have to keep the magazine Clean because there is no feed ramp on the barrel and the tip of the mag is the feed ramp! They recommend that you should frequently clean these mags or you will have feeding problems! I also purchased a auto loader from LUDEX and It works great and I even bought another mag and installed that 17 round extension, which makes it a 50 round mag. After several more nRange sessions, No More Problems and I only use CCI Mini mags 40 grain round nose copper plated ammo! Good Luck with your CP33, you will love it!
I bought a CP33 yesterday. Spent 4 hrs. last night loading and unloading different rounds trying to get it to feed the first round. It never did, not once.
I also ordered the American SpeedLoaders CP-33 Nest Style SpeedLoader. Should be in first of next week. I pray this fixes the problem.
It fixed my problem...mine runs flawless if i use the speedloader
@@paulsouthard3571 I ended up sending mine back the KelTec and now it's like a whole different CP33. It runs flawlessly.
Hey Craig great job. I have a cp33 and after running 2 mags through it, the next two were shit. Looking for info on why went through several videos. Your's was the clearest in pointing me in the right direction for my next trip to the range! Just subbed. Thanks
I am glad you found it helpful. Hopefully you will be able to get it working smoothly.
Have hollow point cci varmint 36 grain
Getting hung up on something before clambering in barrel… a lot
Thanks for the great vid. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these and this is exactly the info I was looking for. You have a new subscriber as well.
I took mine to the range and found it ran almost everything pretty well. I even tried some 30gr which didn’t do to badly. I did have quite a few FTE after 200 rounds or so. But I was using pretty dirty ammo
Appreciate this video. Just picked up a cp33. Been having issues with that bulk crap too
Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Think it has more to do with the grains of the bullet. Instructons state to use 40 grain bullets and up. High velocity.
Mine has shot every 40 grain .22 flawlessly.
@@rudyruiz9521 yea it runs the correct spec ammo almost perfectly.
Do you use a sppedloader? Thatll help it stack correctly
It would have been nice to see the targets and the groups you got.
I agree, I am working on getting a second camera to show the targets.
You obviously don’t like to read. The manual clearly states high velocity 40 grain ammo.
Mine won’t shoot the aguila I had to switch to cci and I have not had a failure since
Lol he said "stay safe!" at the end and the video is from 2019. Was that a common thing to say in the US already ?
Thank you for the video! I have had very similar results. It is fun.
You are welcome and thanks for watching.
Get the. Kel tec speed loader makes all the difference!
I have a KT will not load 1st rd on any AMMO would not be another one
Speed loader helps a lot for me.
I have not used any of the speed loaders out for them yet. I will have to get one to try out.
We’re it not for the speed loader I’d find the gun an expensive paperweight.
Really don't know if you should chamber a round like.... pointing the gun up.....is that safe?
I guess I'm using cheap ammo? I used cci out of the box. I'm shooting Norma now. I disassembled and completely cleaned every tiny bit of the gun. It seems to be "after buying a speed loader as well" to be getting better. Is this finicky little gun just breaking in or are these guns just unreliable? I did contact Kel Tec and I have a great warranty at the store I bought from. Kel Tec offered free shipping. I have no way to return them, so I'm stuck there. I know this was a very ambitious move to make a pistol that operates like a rifle. Any loading ,cleaning, advice would be great. The speed loader makes a gorgeous stack, but the cp33 just to me seems very unreliable. I find a ton of shredded lead in the breach after one mag. Am I messing this up or is this gun just.... junk?
It sounds like you may have one that needs some work. But keep in mind the reality of what this pistol is. It is actually quite an engineering feat to design and produce a 22LR gun that can feed rounds with such large capacity magazines. There is a reason that most 22 pistols have a maximum of 10 rounds. Once you go over that you are entering the realm of reliability problems. Even Glock stayed away from going over the 10 round limit on their 22 pistol they recently released. With all of that said, it does sound like you need to have yours looked at.
Love the video! Great job!
Have you tried thunderbolt in it yet? I have 5,000 rounds of the stuff I need to use in the cp33 but fell ill this week.
I have not yet tried Thunderbolt. I plan on doing so soon however.
I'm having magazine issues myself.
Great video!
Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it.
Have you tried Remington golden bullet hollow point? I have a ton of that ordinance.
I have not yet tried those in it, but am planning on doing so soon.
Hey Craig, what do you think about using the M22 as the first round and mini mags for the rest? I've had the same issue of mini mags not loading great on the first round but all the ones after feed great. Thanks
That may work, I will have to try it.
Thought they recommended 40 grain.
Hey! What is the name of the brand u had no issues with?
Hello, the best performance was the Winchester M22 black box ammo. CCI mini mags would be my 2nd overall choice.
all I shoot in 22 is cci mini-mag 95% 40g round nose-some hollow point I have a good stock on hand- leery about buying this gun- has Kel-Tec corrected 1st round problem?
Joe
I am not aware of any particular changes. I think the issue is more on how the magazine is initially inserted and seated, so it's more of a training issue as opposed to a real fault on the pistol. Jamming 33 rounds into a quad stacked magazine is an impressive feat, so having to be careful in handling is just one of the tradeoffs.
@@CraigsGunChannel bought the gun today owners manual shows the rounds MUST stack not overlap on rim what they call rim lock- and reading on line first round must be pointed up ward - will find out tomorrow
joe
@@jvcjvc3014 Good luck and have fun, and of course, be safe.
@@CraigsGunChannel yes new cp 33 would not feed first round cci mini mag - shearing off sliver of lead and jamming -all other rounds fine - a little love polishing the barrel/cylinder entry ramp with 400 grit emory and all is good - great pistol!
Joe
Do you think they will come out with a lower capacity but more reliable mag for the cp33?
It may be possible someone will, however that is the primary selling point of the pistol so I am not sure if there is enough need for someone to put the expense into making it. However, depending on what happen legislative wise there may be a need. I am hoping not though.
Just got out of the range I’m having better luck just loading them by hand rather then the speed loader in purchased. Thus far CCI mini mag and stingers work great. Federal match , Winchester M22 and Remington golden ik buckets works flawlessly up to 15rds I’m still breaking the mags in
What do you think of the cci stingers in that thing?
To be honest, I have not tried them in it so not sure if it would like them or not. I will have to try them out.
Bought 1 a month ago. Yet to get more than 5 shots in a row. Looking for advice
Hello and thanks for watching the video. What kind/brand of ammo are you using? Are you taking care to follow the loading instructions for the magazine? Also, what type of malfunctions are you getting, failure to load, eject or fire?
Thanks
Welcome
Remington golden 22 do great
Have you found tracer rounds this gun likes?
To be honest I have not tried any in it. Would be a hoot though.
Use only 40 grain or higher
I would agree, the extra weight allows for more dwell time and thus more energy to be imparted into the bolt.
Are you hand loading the mag?
Yep, one round after another. I have seen a few loading tool to help automate the process but have not tried any out yet.
American speedloader for it .. you’ll nvr look back lol
I agree. Hand loading is a nonstarter for me at 72yrs and carpel tunnel issues.
I will use a slight use slingshot
Not an accurate test. I have one of these by the way. As you use the gun it had gotten very dirty…22’s and all...
While not technically scientifically accurate, I would note that during the run of the test the ammunition that performed well did so at the beginning, and at the end of the test. This was after the ammo types that performed poorly. Had it been performance issues resulting solely from the firearm being dirty then it should have caused issues at the end with any ammo. I should also point out that these results have remained consistent in the time following this test. So while not a true blinded sample with control test, it does very well from a directional standpoint. Also to point out, these results are generalizations only. Some pistols will perform different with different ammo types. This is especially true with 22LR.
Have you checked if are not getting rimmed lock
I think that may have been the case at one point, however for the most part that was not a driving issue. I tried to double check the magazine loading to ensure proper loading at each stage.
Was that a woodpecker
Yes it was. I was surprised the microphone picked them up as good as it did.
Predator
I loved it ...reminded me of the predator noise in the jungle lmao ..even my kid heard it and was like “ that sounds like predator , are u watching predator stuff again lol” classic
I got a feeling this handgun is going to be a disaster.
Not sure why, is there something about the design you find questionable? Overall I really like it.
The Taurus TX22 seems better value and more reliable
@@midlifecrisis7888 I've had a Taurus fall apart in my hands and then found out what a lying bunch they are . Their service sux
You’re gun and mag are getting dirty the more you shoot. It is not a fair fight.
Hello and thanks for watching and commenting. In all reality I do not think it would have made much difference, as any ammunition that starts to malfunction if the pistol is dirty is still not a reliable ammo selection. However your comment is correct and I will work to implement controls for it going forward. That's how we all learn together.
in a gunfight, you can't blame the ammo when your, in retreat, pure junk they should have their license to manufacture revoked
I fondo it informative, but dont like channels that believe un weapon's rights, a weapon is something to be responsible and cautious.