I was watching this here in Switzerland and the entire time i was thinking, this feels like watching a Knight Rider episode back in the days. It had the landscape, the talking, the gear was black and even the Commander had the red display. And then at the end you even did speed the recording up like the Super Pursuit Mode when they just played at 2x/3xSpeed. That made me smile :) Greetings from Switzerland
@@ElectricUnicycles make sense really, you can see how nice it is to work on a laptop that does not have fans. But they will learn and come back hopefully with a better idea. Its just interesting that these anomalies does not show its head to the guys that build or test ride them before the clients get them.
Too bad 4 Shermans died during the Great Sherman Massacre on Saturday at Overheat Hill. I would hate to see what would've happened to the Commander on that ride.
Marty, You finally did it!!! You shortened your selfie stick to a reasonable distance. Now you're not 2 inches tall anymore. YAY!!! This summer, my Sherman got up to 160*. Not sure what the overheat temp is, but the Commander seems like it would be 175* lol
I’m surprised how hot it gets for being a HT. I’m assuming the HS will run even hotter which seems like it will really be a problem. If you get one of these do you think you will make any modifications to improve cooling? Thanks for the video as always!
Thinking the same, high speed version will have problems. That's likely to lead to a higher proportion of early failures, and related crashes and injuries.
Great video! Keep rocking up these mtns! We appreciate you Marty! I was curious, everyone talks about the difference in temperature… but I’m wondering if different wheels are rated for higher or lower temp?, so would you be interested more in the % difference or the amount it jumps up? Or do all motors pop at a specific temp? Just curious
I have a street tire Sherman, I hate pedals that are low at the front (or too flat)... I run my pedals at +4 so when it dips on turns, the pedals just go flat haha. I don't like riding other people's wheels either
@@FEETLE No one should have to do any immediate mods when you pay $4k. it shows the company is lazy and doesn't really care about you. It's all about money, honey.
@@coldpanda agreed no company has any care bears, this industry still in its infancy, this is no different when motorist mod their cars and trucks regardless of their purchase, following after the manufacturers eventually took notice and mods became standard. 4k is steep I guess might be their target price to recuperate their initial R&D.
im wondering as many have stated why not use a water cooling solution? In fact why not an actual radiator? it works for cars and we dont worry about water getting in the engine. I think we can use rubber hoses and a radiator block (like the slab of metal you referred to) for both the mosfets and the motherboards. put the radiator in the front can be a design point too! and run the hoses and coolant now you can have a radiator fan behind the radiator like a car which will be much more efficient and can run passively (no radiator fan running when not needed again like a car and of course a pump will be needed. I know this will make things more complicated but like pc's they can be designed as a complete set a standard if you will. by the way because of the slab we can completely seal the electronic components away from any water.
Doubtful. Obviously the Max appears to be very similar to the Commander and if the performance (power and range) were identical and the price were the same, I'd buy the Max. But I don't know if the power and range is the same - nobody has seen or ridden the wheel yet.
I suspect that the Commander will only overheat on warm/hot days where you are climbing a lot of hills. If most of your riding is on flat ground there probably won't be any heat issues.
“Doing better than the Monster Pro” in what way(s)? 🙏🏼 If I can’t get a Commander I’m thinking about a Monster Pro for my ultra long range EUC rides but idk 🤷
@@ElectricUnicycles Hotter than the Commander?!? Wow. I’ve been trying to find the best quality all around wheel with max range and so far my Nikola AR+ 2700wh has been doing it and looks like it might need too for some until hopefully the Commander gets the little things fixed… either way for me it’s Commander or bust ;-) 🙏🏼
I think Sherman may cheat. Did they put the thermometer on mosfets yet instead of gyro? I wait for Commander and V12 hill stress test - I often ride my MSX through mountains, so if change, only to better one:)
Trust me, it's because the control board in the Commander is in a sealed compartment. The Sherman has two huge ventilation holes that provide large amounts of airflow underneath the control board.
@@ElectricUnicycles Hmm, interesting. With a wheel that large it is tempting to think that you could have a sealed compartment on one side housing the control board and a heat sink on the opposite side of the compartment which is exposed to air flow. Then you just need a means to communicate a heat transfer through the compartment wall. I can envision several ways of doing this.
Close but not quite. TBH I still need to do more steep hill riding with it, but from what I have done it climbs much better than the Sherman. Brakes better too.
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Could someone help me identify thse helmets? Thanks!
@@rouder9237 There is no glue under the Velcro. The "Industrial Strength Velcro" (see link in Description) that I use has extremely strong adhesive on the reverse side.
In My View and Opinion these temp numbers are absolutely not comparable! They totally depend on, WHERE the temperature sensor is mounted on the board. So MOST important is JUST that the right safety implementations are made, aka-> if the Mosfets go to hot (and that may be different on where the temp sensor sits), Then the wheel MUST beep and WARN the rider! So having 52 on a sherman and 65 on a Commander(Its an EXN torque actually) MAY be totally the same and doesnt matter at all. Important are just that the wheel/rider is protected! I mean, sure we all know that the actually GWs are running hot…. #M2c
Of course what you say is true for all wheels. But at the end of the day, they all stop functioning (kick you off the wheel) at 79-degrees. So the Commander will kick you off the wheel whereas the Sherman will not. And I firmly believe that the Commander DOES run hotter. It makes sense - the Commander's control board is in a sealed compartment with essentially no ventilation. The Sherman has substantial air flow by comparison. I believe my numbers are comparable for these two wheels.
Informative video Marty, thanks. No offence but I do find your intro weird and most peculiar, especially from a man of your age. But your channel, your choice. Your body, your cape.👍
Lol, this is the most hilarious comment, I read in quite some time. IMO, the intro is exciting and fitting for the risky hobby we know and love. TURN IT UP🚀
Your channel is the STANDARD for EUC information
Thanks :-)
I was watching this here in Switzerland and the entire time i was thinking, this feels like watching a Knight Rider episode back in the days. It had the landscape, the talking, the gear was black and even the Commander had the red display. And then at the end you even did speed the recording up like the Super Pursuit Mode when they just played at 2x/3xSpeed.
That made me smile :)
Greetings from Switzerland
Thanks :-)
Great stress test!! 74C nice & crispy. Still loving my Sherman.
Great video Marty - thanks for all you for the community.
powerful motor, enjoy the sound
Thank you for sharing, another awesome ride. Such a nice mountain pass with very little to almost no traffic. Heatsink for the win I think.
Large heatsinks will always win - like the S18
@@ElectricUnicycles make sense really, you can see how nice it is to work on a laptop that does not have fans. But they will learn and come back hopefully with a better idea. Its just interesting that these anomalies does not show its head to the guys that build or test ride them before the clients get them.
Too bad 4 Shermans died during the Great Sherman Massacre on Saturday at Overheat Hill. I would hate to see what would've happened to the Commander on that ride.
Miss you guys. Keep up the amazing videos! Where is the Marty Merch. Who can make a Marty EUC T shirt??
Marty, You finally did it!!! You shortened your selfie stick to a reasonable distance. Now you're not 2 inches tall anymore. YAY!!!
This summer, my Sherman got up to 160*. Not sure what the overheat temp is, but the Commander seems like it would be 175* lol
lol
I don't know if it's the mic but that motor sounds so good!
Thanks you , i was waiting for a real test! Whats the golden helmet here , he is dope !
I believe he's wearing the Icon Airflite Peacekeeper
excellent video.
I’m surprised how hot it gets for being a HT. I’m assuming the HS will run even hotter which seems like it will really be a problem. If you get one of these do you think you will make any modifications to improve cooling? Thanks for the video as always!
I will probably add some kind of air scoop in the front to bring in lots of air.
@@ElectricUnicycles Yep.. i guess you know the "Drill".... some "Drilling Action" needed, and you would be Good to GO!!!:))
Thinking the same, high speed version will have problems.
That's likely to lead to a higher proportion of early failures, and related crashes and injuries.
Full wind tunnel for me plus I'll be removing the 12v stepdown to the lights and speakers as it's separate from the control board.
It got as hot as my graphics card when I played crysis back in the day
lol
Inspiring as always, my Sherman is old, does that mean I should tighten screws and bolts so that the wheel is not so loose?
Marty, do you have plans to make overheat hill stress test?
Yes - that's been approved :-)
HS version is on my list.
Great video! Keep rocking up these mtns! We appreciate you Marty!
I was curious, everyone talks about the difference in temperature… but I’m wondering if different wheels are rated for higher or lower temp?, so would you be interested more in the % difference or the amount it jumps up? Or do all motors pop at a specific temp? Just curious
Essentially all modern EUC's overheat at the identical temperature - 79 degrees Celsius
I have a street tire Sherman, I hate pedals that are low at the front (or too flat)... I run my pedals at +4 so when it dips on turns, the pedals just go flat haha. I don't like riding other people's wheels either
Replacing the speakers with exhaust fans and enlarging the headlight intake would help a alot
An immediate Mod out of the box. 👍🏼 one might be enough the other speaker would be an led light.
@@FEETLE No one should have to do any immediate mods when you pay $4k. it shows the company is lazy and doesn't really care about you. It's all about money, honey.
@@coldpanda agreed no company has any care bears, this industry still in its infancy, this is no different when motorist mod their cars and trucks regardless of their purchase, following after the manufacturers eventually took notice and mods became standard. 4k is steep I guess might be their target price to recuperate their initial R&D.
Drag race!
im wondering as many have stated why not use a water cooling solution? In fact why not an actual radiator? it works for cars and we dont worry about water getting in the engine. I think we can use rubber hoses and a radiator block (like the slab of metal you referred to) for both the mosfets and the motherboards. put the radiator in the front can be a design point too! and run the hoses and coolant now you can have a radiator fan behind the radiator like a car which will be much more efficient and can run passively (no radiator fan running when not needed again like a car and of course a pump will be needed. I know this will make things more complicated but like pc's they can be designed as a complete set a standard if you will. by the way because of the slab we can completely seal the electronic components away from any water.
That would be a project I could justify paying the extra grand for!
It's good to be consistent right, consistently bad at heat dissipation. They used to make wheels that ran cooler.
I received some feedback that they are now investigating improvements in ventilation to get the temperatures down.
Are you going to get the sherman max? And your thoughts on it?
Doubtful. Obviously the Max appears to be very similar to the Commander and if the performance (power and range) were identical and the price were the same, I'd buy the Max. But I don't know if the power and range is the same - nobody has seen or ridden the wheel yet.
What i am impressed at is there was no traffic on the road.
This ~25-mile long mountain road has very little traffic. Depending on the day of the week you may not see any cars.
@@ElectricUnicycles thats nice
Wow I can't decide between these two... Do you think I can overheat Bull that easily even I am 70KG with gear?
I suspect that the Commander will only overheat on warm/hot days where you are climbing a lot of hills. If most of your riding is on flat ground there probably won't be any heat issues.
“Doing better than the Monster Pro” in what way(s)? 🙏🏼
If I can’t get a Commander I’m thinking about a Monster Pro for my ultra long range EUC rides but idk 🤷
I think the Monster Pro runs a bit hotter than the Commander. That's what I was referring to.
I would agree before the Marty did the Mod.
@@ElectricUnicycles Hotter than the Commander?!? Wow. I’ve been trying to find the best quality all around wheel with max range and so far my Nikola AR+ 2700wh has been doing it and looks like it might need too for some until hopefully the Commander gets the little things fixed… either way for me it’s Commander or bust ;-) 🙏🏼
@@ElectricUnicycles btw thank you for your time and content. Your Nikola videos were very helpful 🙏🏼
I think Sherman may cheat. Did they put the thermometer on mosfets yet instead of gyro? I wait for Commander and V12 hill stress test - I often ride my MSX through mountains, so if change, only to better one:)
Street tire versus knobby tire account for the heat build up due to rolling resistance?
I guess it plays some role... but not that significance.
Trust me, it's because the control board in the Commander is in a sealed compartment. The Sherman has two huge ventilation holes that provide large amounts of airflow underneath the control board.
@@ElectricUnicycles Hmm, interesting. With a wheel that large it is tempting to think that you could have a sealed compartment on one side housing the control board and a heat sink on the opposite side of the compartment which is exposed to air flow.
Then you just need a means to communicate a heat transfer through the compartment wall. I can envision several ways of doing this.
@@kmg501 This is exactly what the Sherman does
I have a V12 on order. Does it manage the heat okay? The fan seems pretty loud on that machine!
I cannot speak from experience but the V12 heat sink is a piece of art.
@@grb1969
Hopefully a useful piece of art!
I have no experience with the V12.
Are you by any chance a lot heavier than your friend, Marty?
Our riding weight is similar
Thermal management seems to be the last hurdle for EUCs. Once this is solved, game over!
Does it have the "ELEVATOR EFFECT"?
Close but not quite. TBH I still need to do more steep hill riding with it, but from what I have done it climbs much better than the Sherman. Brakes better too.
Could someone help me identify thse helmets? Thanks!
See the equipment list in the video Description
NEVER! adjust another mans pads! LOL!
It's a test wheel. All is OK. He had my blessing to do whatever he wanted with it :-)
rode
wireless go?
voice recorder with lapel microphone synced with the Insta 360 X video in post production
@@ElectricUnicycles already showed in video installing the mic in the helmet?
What glue do you use for the velcro Martie?
I use industrial strength Velcro. See link the Description for my equipment & gear, including Velcro
@@ElectricUnicycles i am not asking about the velcro, I ask about the glue below the velcro.
@@rouder9237 There is no glue under the Velcro. The "Industrial Strength Velcro" (see link in Description) that I use has extremely strong adhesive on the reverse side.
In My View and Opinion these temp numbers are absolutely not comparable!
They totally depend on, WHERE the temperature sensor is mounted on the board.
So MOST important is JUST that the right safety implementations are made, aka-> if the Mosfets go to hot (and that may be different on where the temp sensor sits), Then the wheel MUST beep and WARN the rider! So having 52 on a sherman and 65 on a Commander(Its an EXN torque actually) MAY be totally the same and doesnt matter at all. Important are just that the wheel/rider is protected!
I mean, sure we all know that the actually GWs are running hot….
#M2c
Of course what you say is true for all wheels. But at the end of the day, they all stop functioning (kick you off the wheel) at 79-degrees. So the Commander will kick you off the wheel whereas the Sherman will not.
And I firmly believe that the Commander DOES run hotter. It makes sense - the Commander's control board is in a sealed compartment with essentially no ventilation. The Sherman has substantial air flow by comparison.
I believe my numbers are comparable for these two wheels.
you mention the tesla unstable compare to larger euc, that is why i sold my 1480wh tesla.
Informative video Marty, thanks. No offence but I do find your intro weird and most peculiar, especially from a man of your age. But your channel, your choice. Your body, your cape.👍
LOL, Marty inspire me, I am in my 50s and I dress just like him..
It's 6-seconds long. Hopefully you can endure it :-)
I’m 39 and look like a character from Mad Max when I ride 🙏🏼
Lol, this is the most hilarious comment, I read in quite some time. IMO, the intro is exciting and fitting for the risky hobby we know and love. TURN IT UP🚀