Of all the original brands that still offer a Flieger I do think Laco's design is truest to the originals, especially the Type B dials which I'm a fan of, it's a cool watch, agree on the lug width of this model being to narrow though.
I stopped saying that I will never sell some watch)) Good choice, taken Mulheim for myself, love them. For my opinion Laco is the best option for original flieger.
Another good option if you are on a budget is the Aristo 38mm, titanium satin brush case, sapphire crystal, ETA movement, for less than USD 500. Aristo is a German company founded in 1907.
Looking back in history, the 'new demands' (i.e. Small watches) for "Fligers," are a hard press on the manufacture of 'em. Since the original watches where 50+ mm. That's why the strap needs to be narrow, to make the smaller case look bigger. And by the way, a real Pilots watch was a Chronograph. The rest of the crew where issued with an A or B type. Beobachtungs uhren translate to Navigaters watches. (Beobachtung = Observation.) This should clear a lot of misguided asumptions.
@@EscapementWatch That would be a different style, and not a 'Fliger' Just a normal watch. A airmans watch was constructed, so it could be worn outside of the thick jacket sleeve, and with thick leathergloves on. That's why they where so big. And oh yes, for the visibillity too.
Laco pilot watches are so classic. I have the Laco Westerland that is a type A pilot watch. The case shape is original as from the time in WWII and you will not find that so in the other pilot watches so. Besides the good readability makes Laco so unique. Next, you could introduce Hanhart pilot watches. There I have the 417es also in the collection. It also has a lot of history as does Hanhart itself.
Have a Stowa Flieger 36mm type A, yes it does wear larger. I bought it about 13 years ago, paid extra for a top grade eta 2824 and bought an extra strap. First to me at the time, an expensive watch. Paid more or less what you paid, maybe $100 or so more not counting the extra strap. I agree it wears larger than a 36mm do to the dail presence. My type B is also a Stowa Type B 43mm, also with a top grade eta 2824. Both are sterile dials, which for a flieger is what you want. I think you should keep it unless you want to go IWC with an inhouse movement. Not sure if they make a type B. Main reason is you will be taking a hit with each sale and buy. There is no perfect watch. Your Laco looks pretty nice, to me with a Type B I would prefer larger. Don't go flieger crazy, if anything go for a Type A 40mm, or 39, from either Laco or Stowa in the future.
I have a Stowa 36 type A in bronze and also the Laco 39 type B that is reviewed on this video. Love them both, although my Stowa has an exhibition case back, which is cool but it does give me more concerns regarding durability etc. As you say, given the type of watch these fliegers are (i.e. all dial and very little bezel), they do wear bigger than the average, so, with a 6.7 inch (17cm wrist), I decided to err on the side of caution and not go 40mm+. As I say, I'm very happy with them both.
@@Ferien7 Yeah, it's an unusual choice. In some ways it's quite cool, but, as you say, it's out of keeping. The Laco has a great caseback - very period specific.
Personally I prefer the STOWA Fliegers. The case is more like a normal watch and I love their logo. Unfortunately the STOWA 36mm is too small and the 40mm is too big for my 6.5” wrist. The Laco case is much closer to the actual 55+mm Flieger watches, but it makes the watch wear funny with the lugs mid-case. I’d get either the 37mm or 40mm Laco Flieger Pro if I were you. The case is much more wearable and they’re built to order to your specifications (movement, dial, AR coating, strap etc.). Also has a screw down crown and 200M water resistance.
I was thinking stowa 36 as I like 36mm size but Laco has emailed me today suggesting the Pro as well. We shall see. I'm still wearing the Kempten right now.
I was able to grab this watch for under $800 usd a few years ago. I truly love it. It s different With it’s ‘paderborn’ case and the B dial. It is rather cool and different without being extravagant. I’m not selling mine.
Just bought one of these as a every day as i normally but more exspensive (Rolex, Omega, ect.) but I love it, my wife is also going to use it as a dress watch as she thinks the look is so different. All in all great purchase
I live in the vicinity of their factory, could get it but for me it's just like you said a bit expensive for elabore sw210. They could toss in the original leather strap (Flieger Uhrband) in that price.
Curious why the pressback caseback. Was it originally this design? It seems a cost cutting measure which for me is a detractor. I will drop the extra cash on the Karlsruhe Pro with the screw down case back . I just think it is a better quality option.
I have the original laco navigator watch. 55mm type b. Mine has a canvas strap instead of leather. Want to sell but cant find another with that type strap so have no idea what its worth.
my laco is abt 4 years old now, its been my daily beater (until i bought my seiko last week), its the type 1 dial and i believe the size is slightly larger than the one you're featuring here. i believe mine has the ETA movement... and its quite dinged up now, and the super comfy strap is all worn out... :( Still, it saddened me to see u rid your laco...
I love Flieger type watches, I already own a Stowa, I'm thinking of adding a Laco Pro next, but i think you should either try a Archimede or Dekla flieger next.
Awesome Flieger, but agree it would be great if it had 20mm lugs :) I think you should go with the Archimede 39mm pilot watch, which has 20mm lugs and a great bracelet option!
If you're dropping the search for the perfect flieger I'd like to see a review on a Farer watch. I'm sort of enamored by the little British company and their watches, but there's not much out there for reviews.
Still searching. As for Farer I think they sell well enough to not need youtube coverage. I'm sure Jody from just one more watch has some vids on them.
Did you settle down finally for the grail flieger ? ....u took us with you in a journey but we need to reach finally 😅...ever thought of Dekla fliegers ?
I got a laco augsburg blue stunde 39mm in the collection. One with the miyota. Had it for 2-3 years now, its not the one i always reach out too, but it has received a lot of compliments compared to other watches in the collection. I want to upgrade this watch to a better version from laco. I'd look at type A dial from laco. Its the true authentic flieger. Also look into Dekla, custom fliegers. Also consider Sinn and Damasko.
It has AR only on the underside. I sold it and bought the new laco pro in 37 mm with double AR. It is my first time having a AR watch so I'm a little bit worried but we shall see
@@EscapementWatch thanks for your answer. Will you make a review of the pro 37? (I think the double AR is great, but there a little risk of scratches, I cannot decide…)
yes I will ask laco to send me a 40mm sample unit with single AR coating and show a side by side VS. Stay tuned within a month video should be completed
I had the budget Laco type B achen with the Miyota that keeps insane time. I don't own a time thingy but it's been a week since I've updated and it's fast 2 seconds.
If Laco's gonna sell those for 1130USD then id say Hamilton's been selling its KHAKI AVIATION PILOT DAY DATE AUTO, or the "Cooper" way short for the amount of features it has -for a flieger(albeit a modern one). I got my Hamilton "Cooper" for about 725USD and at the time they were going for about 900USD from the website. A very full watch it is, WITH a swiss movement, day and date and quite a bit of work done by somebody to give it a lively appearance. And its cheaper than a Laco's and their printed dials LoL. If they brought this watch down just below quadruple digits they might get more people to buy it, making them MORE money in the long run! The one tiny home run they hit for me is that second hand glowing in the dark. I cannot believe the number of watches out there that dont have illumination on the second hand!
@@EscapementWatch Yeah, in my opinion cosc is more of a marketing scheme that a few companies cling to, that seems somewhat pointless as it isn't even often upheld.
I'll be honest.. I don't rate Laco, and I'd have stuck with Stowa. They have a 36mm in the Flieger Classic design, which would probably wear closer to 38mm with the size of the dial. I just think they are the absolute PERFECT flieger. SO classic and stunning 😍😍
What did allied pilots wear on their wrist? I love these watches but feel weird saying “hey! Look at my watch! It’s got real history, the Nazi’s used to wear them!”
Same. "Used by the German Air Force." "Yes, but with German Air Force?" "Uhh ... the Nazi Luftwaffe." It's an instant interest-killer for me. Give me an Allies Dirty Dozen field watch instead. Give Seiko credit here -- they moved past WWII and aren't milking the legacy of Imperial Japanese military watches. I don't know why so many German brands are still stuck in that past; it's not a good past to return to.
Though I agree with the sentiment that we should not promote all things related to the Nazis, the watch at the end of the day is still a tool. I’m sure that a hammer made by the nazis back then still has the same look as the ones made today.
I see your point, but if the Nazi created a specific designed hammer that was used to commit atrocities, I personally wouldn’t want it nor think well of a company promoting the design.
Great video the best automatic watch I have just got a Damasko Dk 32 more accurate then my Omega Seamaster. Check ✔️ ✅️ this watch out you will not be disappointed
@@EscapementWatch it runs 3 seconds fast never slow 🐌. Thinking 🤔 hard now about selling the Omega Seamaster master. And keeping the titanium square g shock & seiko LX
5 Companies once Laco of course Stowa Yes IWC Big Pilot Wempe Zeitmeister Fliegeruhr A Lange und Söhne Nope I would like to see what Lange would do with the idea to produce a Pilot.
@@EscapementWatch Considering it isn't an English word, I'd say the English pronunciation (i.e. the incorrect one) would be the pretentious one, no? "I don't care what they call it, I'm calling it this..." 😂
Update: *NEW LACO I BOUGHT HERE* ruclips.net/video/NyfqTH4DPPc/видео.html
Of all the original brands that still offer a Flieger I do think Laco's design is truest to the originals, especially the Type B dials which I'm a fan of, it's a cool watch, agree on the lug width of this model being to narrow though.
I stopped saying that I will never sell some watch)) Good choice, taken Mulheim for myself, love them. For my opinion Laco is the best option for original flieger.
I purchased a 40.mm Tisell Type B. Yoda nine series with blue tans. I am enjoying this watch.
Great voice, easy on the ear! Thanks for no music.
Another good option if you are on a budget is the Aristo 38mm, titanium satin brush case, sapphire crystal, ETA movement, for less than USD 500. Aristo is a German company founded in 1907.
Never heard of them thanks. I'll look into them.
Looking back in history, the 'new demands' (i.e. Small watches) for "Fligers," are a hard press on the manufacture of 'em.
Since the original watches where 50+ mm.
That's why the strap needs to be narrow, to make the smaller case look bigger.
And by the way, a real Pilots watch was a Chronograph.
The rest of the crew where issued with an A or B type.
Beobachtungs uhren translate to Navigaters watches. (Beobachtung = Observation.)
This should clear a lot of misguided asumptions.
I heard they also had 35 mm versions originally for other service members who are on the ground.
@@EscapementWatch That would be a different style, and not a 'Fliger' Just a normal watch.
A airmans watch was constructed, so it could be worn outside of the thick jacket sleeve, and with thick leathergloves on.
That's why they where so big. And oh yes, for the visibillity too.
Laco pilot watches are so classic.
I have the Laco Westerland that is a type A pilot watch.
The case shape is original as from the time in WWII and you will not find that so in the other pilot watches so. Besides the good readability makes Laco so unique.
Next, you could introduce Hanhart pilot watches. There I have the 417es also in the collection. It also has a lot of history as does Hanhart itself.
ohh hanhart I'll look into it thanks
Have a Stowa Flieger 36mm type A, yes it does wear larger. I bought it about 13 years ago, paid extra for a top grade eta 2824 and bought an extra strap. First to me at the time, an expensive watch. Paid more or less what you paid, maybe $100 or so more not counting the extra strap. I agree it wears larger than a 36mm do to the dail presence. My type B is also a Stowa Type B 43mm, also with a top grade eta 2824. Both are sterile dials, which for a flieger is what you want. I think you should keep it unless you want to go IWC with an inhouse movement. Not sure if they make a type B. Main reason is you will be taking a hit with each sale and buy. There is no perfect watch. Your Laco looks pretty nice, to me with a Type B I would prefer larger. Don't go flieger crazy, if anything go for a Type A 40mm, or 39, from either Laco or Stowa in the future.
I have a Stowa 36 type A in bronze and also the Laco 39 type B that is reviewed on this video. Love them both, although my Stowa has an exhibition case back, which is cool but it does give me more concerns regarding durability etc. As you say, given the type of watch these fliegers are (i.e. all dial and very little bezel), they do wear bigger than the average, so, with a 6.7 inch (17cm wrist), I decided to err on the side of caution and not go 40mm+. As I say, I'm very happy with them both.
@@hudldevice1092 I’m going Stowa 40mm type B. Wish they gave it a closed caseback. Exhibition caseback makes no sense on a flieger.
@@Ferien7 Yeah, it's an unusual choice. In some ways it's quite cool, but, as you say, it's out of keeping. The Laco has a great caseback - very period specific.
Agree. 18mm lug blew it for me. Otherwise a perfect wearable size at 39mm
Personally I prefer the STOWA Fliegers. The case is more like a normal watch and I love their logo. Unfortunately the STOWA 36mm is too small and the 40mm is too big for my 6.5” wrist. The Laco case is much closer to the actual 55+mm Flieger watches, but it makes the watch wear funny with the lugs mid-case. I’d get either the 37mm or 40mm Laco Flieger Pro if I were you. The case is much more wearable and they’re built to order to your specifications (movement, dial, AR coating, strap etc.). Also has a screw down crown and 200M water resistance.
I was thinking stowa 36 as I like 36mm size but Laco has emailed me today suggesting the Pro as well. We shall see. I'm still wearing the Kempten right now.
I was able to grab this watch for under $800 usd a few years ago. I truly love it. It s different With it’s ‘paderborn’ case and the B dial. It is rather cool and different without being extravagant. I’m not selling mine.
Wish it had a 19 or 20mm lug width. 18mm is too narrow
@@Ferien7 Paderborn is 20mm lug and 42mm case width.
Just bought one of these as a every day as i normally but more exspensive (Rolex, Omega, ect.) but I love it, my wife is also going to use it as a dress watch as she thinks the look is so different. All in all great purchase
I think you can pull off the 42mm version which has a 20mm lug width.
I want to get this one, but the 45. Since the original was 55 I want it to wear large. Very much an engineered tool.
I live in the vicinity of their factory, could get it but for me it's just like you said a bit expensive for elabore sw210. They could toss in the original leather strap (Flieger Uhrband) in that price.
Curious why the pressback caseback. Was it originally this design? It seems a cost cutting measure which for me is a detractor. I will drop the extra cash on the Karlsruhe Pro with the screw down case back . I just think it is a better quality option.
Why don't you try the customizable Laco Pro?
I'll look into the pro thanks
I have the original laco navigator watch. 55mm type b. Mine has a canvas strap instead of leather. Want to sell but cant find another with that type strap so have no idea what its worth.
my laco is abt 4 years old now, its been my daily beater (until i bought my seiko last week), its the type 1 dial and i believe the size is slightly larger than the one you're featuring here. i believe mine has the ETA movement... and its quite dinged up now, and the super comfy strap is all worn out... :( Still, it saddened me to see u rid your laco...
Why did you not get a top movement? I have the 2:15 top movement and it's quite a bit more accurate
I love Flieger type watches, I already own a Stowa, I'm thinking of adding a Laco Pro next, but i think you should either try a Archimede or Dekla flieger next.
Good call thanks
I had the Laco Dortmund and sold it because it was just to big. The Kempten at 39mm seems very nice, do they make this in a hand wind?
The watch I'm reviewing is hand wind
Why didn’t you get the 36mm Stowa? Just curious
Well I bought the stowa a year and half ago when I was more into 40mm-42mm watches. Now I'm considering the 36
@@EscapementWatch Have one, and have had it for sometime. Type A.
Lovely piece.
Thank you! Cheers!
Awesome Flieger, but agree it would be great if it had 20mm lugs :) I think you should go with the Archimede 39mm pilot watch, which has 20mm lugs and a great bracelet option!
Good call!
I always knew this guy works for Laco.
If you're dropping the search for the perfect flieger I'd like to see a review on a Farer watch. I'm sort of enamored by the little British company and their watches, but there's not much out there for reviews.
Still searching. As for Farer I think they sell well enough to not need youtube coverage. I'm sure Jody from just one more watch has some vids on them.
@@EscapementWatch 10 4. I'll check him out.
Did you settle down finally for the grail flieger ? ....u took us with you in a journey but we need to reach finally 😅...ever thought of Dekla fliegers ?
No the next video in the flieger series is the new Laco Pro! ruclips.net/video/NyfqTH4DPPc/видео.html hehe I have considered Dekla and Archimedes.
Nice watch. Dekla offers a very nice pilot watch for the price.
I recently spoke with Dekla. Might be checking one out soon
I got a laco augsburg blue stunde 39mm in the collection. One with the miyota. Had it for 2-3 years now, its not the one i always reach out too, but it has received a lot of compliments compared to other watches in the collection. I want to upgrade this watch to a better version from laco. I'd look at type A dial from laco. Its the true authentic flieger. Also look into Dekla, custom fliegers. Also consider Sinn and Damasko.
Thanks for sharing!
what is accuracy on lacomiyota?
I don't know... I think the thin lug stance makes the watch a little more charismatic.
What about a Sinn, or a Tisell?
Thanks for the suggestions
first! wearing my paderborn proudly! good buy! sir! good video as always!
Rock on!
Nice Watch!
It sure is!
How about Muhle Glashutte Terrasport, I own the Lufthansa version and is great :)
mm very nice!
Why not a 36mm Stowa??
You mentioned selling this watch - where which site do you use to sell? Very interested in this watch
I sell on Reddit watchexchange and locally
Does your Kempten have a Double AR coating or inside only? In case of Double AR do you recommend it? Thanks
It has AR only on the underside. I sold it and bought the new laco pro in 37 mm with double AR. It is my first time having a AR watch so I'm a little bit worried but we shall see
@@EscapementWatch thanks for your answer. Will you make a review of the pro 37? (I think the double AR is great, but there a little risk of scratches, I cannot decide…)
yes I will ask laco to send me a 40mm sample unit with single AR coating and show a side by side VS. Stay tuned within a month video should be completed
@@EscapementWatch that’s great! Thank you!
Excelente video 👏 👏
so this is an old case? laco uses more regular cases watch now?
great video
Hey man, what's the diver in the background?
A seiko mm200 I reviewed it 4 days ago on the channel. SPB255
Hanhart Pioneer 1.
I had the budget Laco type B achen with the Miyota that keeps insane time. I don't own a time thingy but it's been a week since I've updated and it's fast 2 seconds.
thats awesome!!!!
I used to be afraid of anything over 40. Now 40 looks small and I want a big pilot hahahahaha.
If Laco's gonna sell those for 1130USD then id say Hamilton's been selling its KHAKI AVIATION PILOT DAY DATE AUTO, or the "Cooper" way short for the amount of features it has -for a flieger(albeit a modern one). I got my Hamilton "Cooper" for about 725USD and at the time they were going for about 900USD from the website. A very full watch it is, WITH a swiss movement, day and date and quite a bit of work done by somebody to give it a lively appearance. And its cheaper than a Laco's and their printed dials LoL. If they brought this watch down just below quadruple digits they might get more people to buy it, making them MORE money in the long run! The one tiny home run they hit for me is that second hand glowing in the dark. I cannot believe the number of watches out there that dont have illumination on the second hand!
Remember me what's your wrist size?!thx
lol your joking right? its in my wrist shots on the top right or left corners!!! 6.5inch
@@EscapementWatch perfect!the same size
Get the Pro.
Thats the plan one day!
I bought this year this watch in 45mm. A little too small for my arms. But a great watch.
Stowa 36mm
Yes I'm curious how it will wear on me. Expensive to buy and flip these for loses lol!
id buy it from you
I think I saw this one for sale on kijiji
Swiss movement accuracy a bit overhyped these days I find. The Japanases often more accurate, even the budget ones
Yeah i've had cosc certified formex on the channel and it wasn't doing cosc numbers. But of course they will fix it if you send it back.
@@EscapementWatch Yeah, in my opinion cosc is more of a marketing scheme that a few companies cling to, that seems somewhat pointless as it isn't even often upheld.
I'll be honest.. I don't rate Laco, and I'd have stuck with Stowa. They have a 36mm in the Flieger Classic design, which would probably wear closer to 38mm with the size of the dial. I just think they are the absolute PERFECT flieger. SO classic and stunning 😍😍
What did allied pilots wear on their wrist? I love these watches but feel weird saying “hey! Look at my watch! It’s got real history, the Nazi’s used to wear them!”
ah maybe that is why fliegers are niche within an already small niche!
Same. "Used by the German Air Force." "Yes, but with German Air Force?" "Uhh ... the Nazi Luftwaffe."
It's an instant interest-killer for me. Give me an Allies Dirty Dozen field watch instead. Give Seiko credit here -- they moved past WWII and aren't milking the legacy of Imperial Japanese military watches. I don't know why so many German brands are still stuck in that past; it's not a good past to return to.
Though I agree with the sentiment that we should not promote all things related to the Nazis, the watch at the end of the day is still a tool. I’m sure that a hammer made by the nazis back then still has the same look as the ones made today.
@@polygoncoco agreed
I see your point, but if the Nazi created a specific designed hammer that was used to commit atrocities, I personally wouldn’t want it nor think well of a company promoting the design.
Great video the best automatic watch I have just got a Damasko Dk 32 more accurate then my Omega Seamaster.
Check ✔️ ✅️ this watch out you will not be disappointed
Ok noted!
@@EscapementWatch it runs 3 seconds fast never slow 🐌. Thinking 🤔 hard now about selling the Omega Seamaster master. And keeping the titanium square g shock & seiko LX
5 Companies once
Laco
of course
Stowa
Yes
IWC
Big Pilot
Wempe
Zeitmeister Fliegeruhr
A Lange und Söhne
Nope
I would like to see what Lange would do with the idea to produce a Pilot.
the 18mm lug width ruins the look of the watch. Such a weird choice....
Did you complain that your tiny watch has tiny lug widths? 🤨
Ughhhhhh.... there are 38 mm watches with 20 mm lugs
It’s pronounced Stova
It's not pronounced ,"Stovah?"
I pronounced it two different ways in the video the pretentious way and the English way.
@@EscapementWatch Considering it isn't an English word, I'd say the English pronunciation (i.e. the incorrect one) would be the pretentious one, no? "I don't care what they call it, I'm calling it this..." 😂