Must've watched this video nearly a dozen times before going with the 37mm on the bracelet, elabore grade, AR on the underside only with no display back. It's really a high quality piece, the appreciation comes slow because it's so understated but I prefer that over the eye catchy bling. This video and the comments were quite helpful in helping me narrow down the options. Cheers.
@@kenghao8356 no its pretty dead on, mine ran initially +1 a day now it's more like -1/0 but that gets corrected if I keep the watch overnight in 12-6 position, ends up being +2 so it nets out during the day. I do find however that the watch does get magnetized easily which does cause it to go slow, -4spd.
@@buckethead84 I was hoping this watch will have antimagnetic mechanism on it. I’m actually still doubting should I go for elabore or pay extra for top grade movement. Did you opt for date window as well?
@@kenghao8356 no date window, I wanted to keep it as clean as possible. I doubt there would be a ton of difference in the movement performance, I just did it for the sake of getting the best option.
Next year i'll be 40, and as a birthday present i'm deciding between this and the Hamilton Murph 38mm. This looks like a really nice proposition, considering i can personalize it. I also think the movement is more easily serviceable by watchmakers.
Are you me? I’m in the same situation but I’m leaning twords the blue Laco, after I thought I had made up my mind on the murph. Something about the bracelet or leather strap option is calling me.
I was considering a IWC Mark XX (which blew my budget anyways) and now I am a happy owner of a Stuttgart Pro :). It's really fun to be in their HQ Shop as well (I live 20min from them) and look at all the variants - can definitely recommend!
Excellent video Adrian, just reminded me of my Stowa Flieger which I haven't worn for over a year and half. Don't care of why and who wore them in WW2 but they were very well made plus the minimalist look of the A dial.
This is great review for my pre-purchase research. Your info is from authentic in-hand observation. And you cover the same issues I consider before buying!
I have the same wrist size and think you chose wisely. Love the 37mm. I do wear some watches that are above 40mm depending on the case and lug to lug but this size is just perfect.
Since you mentioned watch people being picky...i wish this one had a 19mm or 20mm lug width to give it a little bigger stance (and i could use my existing straps). Otherwise it hits all the marks. And btw the bracelet does come with half links which is nice.
At 1550 usd, the Sinn isn’t the value prop it used to be. There are elements I like about the Sinn much more but at the end of the day, i think the laco has the slight edge due to the customization. You can get one with bracelet for 400 less than the Sinn and basically the same movement. If Sinn updated that clasp and maybe added a higher grade movement or at least the hardening coat to the steel and I’d side with it. Anyways, just my opinions. The Sinn defo is a great piece
I have a LACO Original in 42 mm. My wish is that the Fliegers take the step the divers took already long ago: going for a three dimensional dial, ie using applied indices (luminous material only as on the Tudor FXD) or going for a Panerai style sandwich dial (probably much easier to realize, especially for the Baumuster B type). It would make the watches look so much more precious, upmarket without watering down the iconic look!
I've got a Laco Squad Diver with a Miyota. It is built like a tank as you would expect from a German brand. I really like the look of this one on the engineer style bracelet.
I think this is the best Flieger out there! Maybe - if you're open to a little change in style towards more minimalism - the Sinn 556 I could be a great alternative in that price range. But I'd still gravitate towards the Laco, this is such a classic design, very tastefully modernized in exactly the areas I'd wish, and the options you can choose from just make it perfect! And their history and the variety they offer really make it *the* Flieger brand, maybe even above the massively popular Hamilton.
This watch on the bracelet looks incredible. I just don't understand why the counter balance on the second hand isn't blued! Stowa blue the second hand on their A-type Classic but not the B-Type. 🤔
I am struggling to choose this watch versus Vertex M100A. Very tough choice. I know both are great watches but I am afraid the regret I will have for not having another.
I have got my eye on a Memmingen , thats a 42mm ( i got a big wrist) handwound , classic sandblasted . It is 1210 euro for the version i want . I got a few others on my list also , so it is a difficult choice . Others are Longines Spirit , Omega Speedmaster Apollo 8 ( leading in my mind) , IWC Top Gun and last but not least the Moonwatch Omega . The Laco is by far the cheapest and can be very proud on its position in that list .
Great review👍 I own the same watch, though with a slightly different configuration. Its a fantastic watch, comfortable, legible and with stunnig quality. Can highly recommend it.
Thank you for this video! How do you think, in case if I want IWC (but it’s out of my budget now) - can this Laco replaced IWC? Looks similar, yes, but what about general expression? Thank you for the answer.
Yes, absolutely. It can replace an IWC. Both companies were part of the original fleger manufacturers and therefore have the same significance on the wrist. I have never handled an IWC so I don't know if the finishing is better or the same.
@@EscapementWatch The IWC is superior in finishing and especially the bracelet. Far superior. Personally, I'd still get the Laco though. Every time I handle an IWC I'm very impressed, but I just cannot spend that money on a flieger. I always end up going another direction.
far superior? hmm I would love to examine it under macro one day! The case is pretty good here, superior to my stowa for sure. I think laco upped their game on the pro.
I don't think I'll ever buy an IWC and they probably wont lend me one until I hit 100,000 subs....hahah so at my pace of gaining subs...that will be in 6-7 more years lol
Been looking at this. Would you still recommend the 40mm for a 16cm / 6.25in wrist? The proportion (particularly the negative spaces) of the dial on the 37mm looked very similar to the 40mm. Thanks!
it's all personal tastes. I'd go 37mm for 16cm. I have 16.5cm so check out the far away shots to get an idea. I have 2 with the 40mm and a handful of the 37mm
I didn't quite get the part about the manual wound / screw-down crown / clutch thing... Anyone mind explaining to me please? Online research only showed up clutch regarding chronograph movements... Indeed, a manual wound watch with a screw-down crown sounds like a real pain for a daily use especially in a rotation and with only about 40h of PR. Thanks!
The clutch is in the crown head so you can't over wind it. Not in the movement. When the manual wind is full you cannot wind it. It locks so if there was no clutch in the crown head it would be impossible to screw down that crown without breaking the movement. Hope that clarifies it
@@EscapementWatch Oh ok yeah it's clear, thanks! Still wondering how practical a screw-down crown + manual wind watch is but... I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
The lume looks great! Is it also long-lasting? The plots look skinny so I'm wondering if it only looks good immediately after charging or does it keep going?
lume is pretty strong for printed lume. I had it next to my black bay and it held up surprisingly well against it. it does dim but you can read it fine in darkness. The lume surpasses my Stowa Flieger lume
Remark: If you need water resistance on an "Flieger" , you´re in deeeeep sh!t ...... (sorry Arnold) Very nice watch anyway. As I am living in the town in which LACO resides, I know an appreciate them very much. Nice one
I think this watch is awesome. The only thing I don’t like is the ref number on the non-crown side but it’s not such a big deal I wouldn’t buy it. I’d go 40mm with the manual wind, inner ar only, and top decorated movement with exhibition caseback and bracelet. My build isn’t cheap but man it’s such a nice package. PS. Do you think it’s really worth getting the ar on both sides? The inner ar did a good enough job at least on the video
May I ask why? I am contemplating it but unsure if 18mm bracelet would feel too dainty. I'm currently rocking a Longines Spirit 37mm but I hate the bracelet.@@EscapementWatch
Just a serial flipper and was worried how long the AR top coating would last. Also, I like to bring in new watches for content and flipping is the only way to do that.
Do you have any idea who supplies Laco the cases and the hands for the Flieger Pro? I recall there was some controversy around the origin of Stowa's cases in recent years (some people claimed they were Chinese and were poorly finished).
Stowa cases are made in china and then hand finished in Germany. Laco's case seems better finished but I do not know where it is from. I will make some inquiries.
95% of the watches that go on the channel end up for sale as I do not like having a large collection (10 watches is my set limit). I'm still on the hunt but do miss this Laco.
@@EscapementWatch I am leaning that way...just everyone seems to say a flieger should "wear big" and I do have other 42-45mm watches in my collection, but they are all divers which typically wear smaller than an all-dial watch. That said, if I was buying something non-flieger like say an Omega AT, I'd definitely go 40mm, so should a flieger really be any different....
fliegers should wear big is just something youtube influencer purist push. Its more important today to get a proper fit. 55mm was made for pilots back then for function and that is not needed today. Also, note there were original 34mm fliegers that no one talks about for ground personnel.
Yes, I saw and liked your Stowa video, after leaving that comment. Great review as well. I'm torn between the 36mm Stowa and the 37mm Laco. I prefer manual wind and I have a feeling that the Stowa winds nicer, especially with that true onion crown. Do you recall?? The Stowa is also a bit thinner which I like.
I think the iwc type 20 has it beat, on the fly adjustment, no one has etched a silly number on the side off the case. If the laco can fix those issues I’ll give it another look.
This is why I don't get IWC, neither do they replicate their original desigs nor do they create new designs, their movements are based very much on ETAs, only their fit and finish would be better than brands like Laco. For all that they're charging luxury level prices. 🤷🏻♂️
I haven't handled an IWC yet but I have a hard time seeing the value over this Laco Pro. Maybe if the finish is incredible, which I'm skeptical of. But maybe that will all change if I handle one, one day.
Its certainly a great watch. But I just can't see spending so match on a non distinct watch. So many specs can be had for so much cheaper. I mean, not a top grade movement, but that dial is just not worth a thousand dollars. Let alone 1500 no matter what you stuff in the case. BUT, this is a much better option if you can afford it, than an IWC. But I just can't see how you wouldn't go with a million other microbrands or aliexpress watches. It's not like this dial layout is exclusive. But great review. Love your style!
Everything is great, except for the green color of the lume, - a dealbraker for me, I would like white or light yellow (old radium?) and the logo - I know you can remove the logo and the "Made in Germany", but a better logo would be even better.
It looks less green in real life. The video shows it well. Only time you really see the green is in some lighting conditions. Could be the double AR coating that makes it look more white in real life. I was wondering about that.
I had the 37mm...random the screw crown was accidentaly open, too big and realy in contact with my arms. In general i think Stowa is on another level...
Nice. Great value. A good size too. Not all historic pilot's watches were wrist clocks! Longines (true pilot heritage), Hamilton and the IWC Mark (the original, before it was butchered) were in this 36-38mm range. Only Luftwaffe fliegers were especially big due to Nazi design criteria. And shall we all agree that Nazi militaria is a tad distasteful? Once pilots migrated to jets, the traditional size dropped again, because the planes were far smoother. As flight suits became more complex, watches got worn underneath anyway.
why do people who are after the classic look still opt for a model with a brand logo? It's not as if Laco or Stowa are brands that highlight the unlimited pockets of the wearer?
Because overall you still get that classic look but this is an all new case it's not a one-to-one copy of the original the lugs are completely different and the crystal. So having the logo is perfect for a modern reinterpretation rebirth if you will of the flieger. And if you have a modern Flieger you might as well proudly display one of the original brands that made them.
You mentioned finishing of the hands and pin and collar ... really for a watch of this cost I would expect only the very best finishing and screw links. Also no micro adjust!! I guess I'll pass!
Any Flieger watches less than 40mm are just dress watches. Flieger watches need to be at least 40mm. It’s in their aesthetic, their raison d’etre to be on the bigger end of watch spectrum.
1560 usd? I paid less for my Stowa flieger. How would you change a Stowa for this? Don’t get it. Better finishing, slimmer case. Better movement. Overall better brand.
The finish is better on the Laco. Plus much better water resistance (200m on the Laco vs 50m on the Stowa) Movements are the same imo and brands are equal imo.
@@EscapementWatch well who needs 200m on a pilot watch. You won’t take it swimming. Also who wants to have a screw down crown specially on a manual handwinding movement. Dimensions are better on the Stowa (subjective) but it’s slimmer. Onion crown is a lot nicer. Well I checked the movements not much different. I got a eta and the laco got sellita. I guess both brands have same history but laco have been making a lot of low end watches whiles Stowa feels a lot more focused on watches in the 1500 usd range.
It is the peace of mind knowing your watch can do anything. It is one of the big draws to Rolex sports watches like the legendary 36mm Explorer(which has a screw down crown, 100m of water resist and a bracelet, simple 3 hander) Just like this laco pro. I don't think the Stowa has a bracelet option last I checked. That is another plus for the laco as it can be a GADA, go any where do anything sports watch. Swim, climb, office work etc. The laco is thicker by 0.7mm but overall it still presents as a very thin professional timepiece with more presence then the stowa on the wrist. And just because Laco offers a more affordable options doesn't mean they can't make nice watches in other price brackets.
Pffft... I mean, the watch is good, even great for 1940es. But for modern standards, it's just an useless toy, or a shiny decorative bracelet at best. The perfect flieger would be 40 mm in diameter, with titanium case, solar quartz movement and atomic watch signal reception.
I have a laco Leipzig. Manual wind, bead blasted case, leather strap. Perfect for me. I wouldn't buy a modern version like what you like. No interest at all.
@@perudolux My point is that I don't get the point of the video. Like I've already said, this is far from a "perfect pilots watch"... almost a century far.
@@Koishishibaman I admire your devotion to old, obsolete things. I guess you like to drive your horse carriage to work, and you probably sent this comment through the postal service. LOL
LACO Original Kempton review here: ruclips.net/video/oxqL9I0MHRc/видео.html
Must've watched this video nearly a dozen times before going with the 37mm on the bracelet, elabore grade, AR on the underside only with no display back. It's really a high quality piece, the appreciation comes slow because it's so understated but I prefer that over the eye catchy bling. This video and the comments were quite helpful in helping me narrow down the options. Cheers.
May I know how’s the elabore grade going? Does it run faster than 10 sec a day?
@@kenghao8356 no its pretty dead on, mine ran initially +1 a day now it's more like -1/0 but that gets corrected if I keep the watch overnight in 12-6 position, ends up being +2 so it nets out during the day. I do find however that the watch does get magnetized easily which does cause it to go slow, -4spd.
@@buckethead84 I was hoping this watch will have antimagnetic mechanism on it. I’m actually still doubting should I go for elabore or pay extra for top grade movement. Did you opt for date window as well?
@@kenghao8356 no date window, I wanted to keep it as clean as possible. I doubt there would be a ton of difference in the movement performance, I just did it for the sake of getting the best option.
@@buckethead84 that’s fair enough. I never have any Swiss movement before so probably I will opt for top grade to keep it as long as I could
A perfect review with every important Detail of the watch under 10 minutes. You are my King of reviews 👑
I appreciate that!
@@EscapementWatchlook at that…you have groupies 🤣
Had a 37mm Salzburg before. Looked more like a Fieldwatch than a Flieger. Changed it to 39mm Augsburg. Now I‘m happy :)
My Karlsruhe PRO 43mm is one of favorites in my collection. Laco is legit! Holds its own next to my Tudor, Grand Seiko, and Cartier.
Replaced my Laco Speyer with the exact same model as yours but with the sterile dial. Stunning watch and great review!
Nice one!
Next year i'll be 40, and as a birthday present i'm deciding between this and the Hamilton Murph 38mm. This looks like a really nice proposition, considering i can personalize it. I also think the movement is more easily serviceable by watchmakers.
Are you me? I’m in the same situation but I’m leaning twords the blue Laco, after I thought I had made up my mind on the murph. Something about the bracelet or leather strap option is calling me.
I was considering a IWC Mark XX (which blew my budget anyways) and now I am a happy owner of a Stuttgart Pro :). It's really fun to be in their HQ Shop as well (I live 20min from them) and look at all the variants - can definitely recommend!
Excellent video Adrian, just reminded me of my Stowa Flieger which I haven't worn for over a year and half. Don't care of why and who wore them in WW2 but they were very well made plus the minimalist look of the A dial.
This is great review for my pre-purchase research. Your info is from authentic in-hand observation. And you cover the same issues I consider before buying!
Lots of smaller cases being released by a lot of brands this year. Fantastic news, more options for everyone.
I have the same wrist size and think you chose wisely. Love the 37mm. I do wear some watches that are above 40mm depending on the case and lug to lug but this size is just perfect.
Since you mentioned watch people being picky...i wish this one had a 19mm or 20mm lug width to give it a little bigger stance (and i could use my existing straps). Otherwise it hits all the marks. And btw the bracelet does come with half links which is nice.
Oh yea 19mm would have been nice.
Thanks for the video, I've been on and off with the configurator online for months... Great to see one in the flesh.
Enjoy it
Get a Dekla instead.
Wow that one looks great. I wear the Sinn 556i and it is hard to beat, but this one looks like it could contend very well with the Sinn
At 1550 usd, the Sinn isn’t the value prop it used to be. There are elements I like about the Sinn much more but at the end of the day, i think the laco has the slight edge due to the customization. You can get one with bracelet for 400 less than the Sinn and basically the same movement. If Sinn updated that clasp and maybe added a higher grade movement or at least the hardening coat to the steel and I’d side with it. Anyways, just my opinions. The Sinn defo is a great piece
I have a LACO Original in 42 mm.
My wish is that the Fliegers take the step the divers took already long ago: going for a three dimensional dial, ie using applied indices (luminous material only as on the Tudor FXD) or going for a Panerai style sandwich dial (probably much easier to realize, especially for the Baumuster B type). It would make the watches look so much more precious, upmarket without watering down the iconic look!
What do you mean
I’ve just bought the “proletarian” version of this Laco. I’m more than satisfied 👏👍🙏
Beautiful watch, I love the fact that it’s customizable. Awesome video. I just subscribed. I like your videos
Thanks and welcome
I've got a Laco Squad Diver with a Miyota. It is built like a tank as you would expect from a German brand. I really like the look of this one on the engineer style bracelet.
I think this is the best Flieger out there! Maybe - if you're open to a little change in style towards more minimalism - the Sinn 556 I could be a great alternative in that price range. But I'd still gravitate towards the Laco, this is such a classic design, very tastefully modernized in exactly the areas I'd wish, and the options you can choose from just make it perfect! And their history and the variety they offer really make it *the* Flieger brand, maybe even above the massively popular Hamilton.
My wrist has the same size as yours. Would you recommend the 37 or 40? The 40 doesn't look chunky on your wrist. The 37 doesn't look small...
I always say if it wears a bit small it is much preferable over wearing a bit large. When in doubt go smaller!
Would love to a see an update video on this watch and your ownershp over time!
Really good review, I finally had to subscribe. Well done
Great looking watch! Just got the Ausburg 42 and love it.
Good choice!
This watch on the bracelet looks incredible. I just don't understand why the counter balance on the second hand isn't blued! Stowa blue the second hand on their A-type Classic but not the B-Type. 🤔
I am struggling to choose this watch versus Vertex M100A. Very tough choice. I know both are great watches but I am afraid the regret I will have for not having another.
Go with Laco
Another great review. I’m adding the Laco to my list!
Good choice!
Laco makes a nice timepiece for the money.
I have got my eye on a Memmingen , thats a 42mm ( i got a big wrist) handwound , classic sandblasted . It is 1210 euro for the version i want . I got a few others on my list also , so it is a difficult choice . Others are Longines Spirit , Omega Speedmaster Apollo 8 ( leading in my mind) , IWC Top Gun and last but not least the Moonwatch Omega . The Laco is by far the cheapest and can be very proud on its position in that list .
Great video!! One question: is there a ghost date position if you choose to go with a no-date option?
no ghost position
That lume is better than my Big Pilot 43. Up the size and make it a luxury version and I'm up for a trade.
You can buy it in 43 or 40 mm
@@EscapementWatch very interesting. Just need those polished elements...
A good looking watch... Thanks for sharing.
Excellent sizing and excellent review!
Thank you kindly!
Great video, I'm going with the 40mm
Excellent review.. thank you!
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
best review on Laco Pro by far, great review !!
Great review👍 I own the same watch, though with a slightly different configuration. Its a fantastic watch, comfortable, legible and with stunnig quality. Can highly recommend it.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for this video! How do you think, in case if I want IWC (but it’s out of my budget now) - can this Laco replaced IWC? Looks similar, yes, but what about general expression? Thank you for the answer.
Yes, absolutely. It can replace an IWC. Both companies were part of the original fleger manufacturers and therefore have the same significance on the wrist. I have never handled an IWC so I don't know if the finishing is better or the same.
@@EscapementWatch The IWC is superior in finishing and especially the bracelet. Far superior. Personally, I'd still get the Laco though. Every time I handle an IWC I'm very impressed, but I just cannot spend that money on a flieger. I always end up going another direction.
far superior? hmm I would love to examine it under macro one day! The case is pretty good here, superior to my stowa for sure. I think laco upped their game on the pro.
@@EscapementWatch could be interesting to see your comparisons Laco vs IWC ) Very interesting
I don't think I'll ever buy an IWC and they probably wont lend me one until I hit 100,000 subs....hahah so at my pace of gaining subs...that will be in 6-7 more years lol
Nice review! The dial print looks so sharp under macro. How does the bracelet feel? I heared some say the bracelet got many sharp rough edges.
I haven't noticed any on mine. I wearing it right now actually.
@@EscapementWatch Good to know.
Does anybody know how to change the straps on this piece? I can’t see any quick release notch..
No date. I love it.
I was expecting a thicker font for the arabic numerals. But look good
Been looking at this. Would you still recommend the 40mm for a 16cm / 6.25in wrist? The proportion (particularly the negative spaces) of the dial on the 37mm looked very similar to the 40mm. Thanks!
it's all personal tastes. I'd go 37mm for 16cm. I have 16.5cm so check out the far away shots to get an idea. I have 2 with the 40mm and a handful of the 37mm
How about my tiny 14.5 cm wrist? What would you recommend?
@@hoangleminh5363 has to be the 37mm, I have 17.5cm and I'm still leaning 37mm!
I didn't quite get the part about the manual wound / screw-down crown / clutch thing... Anyone mind explaining to me please? Online research only showed up clutch regarding chronograph movements...
Indeed, a manual wound watch with a screw-down crown sounds like a real pain for a daily use especially in a rotation and with only about 40h of PR.
Thanks!
The clutch is in the crown head so you can't over wind it. Not in the movement. When the manual wind is full you cannot wind it. It locks so if there was no clutch in the crown head it would be impossible to screw down that crown without breaking the movement. Hope that clarifies it
@@EscapementWatch Oh ok yeah it's clear, thanks! Still wondering how practical a screw-down crown + manual wind watch is but... I guess I'll find out soon enough :)
The lume looks great! Is it also long-lasting? The plots look skinny so I'm wondering if it only looks good immediately after charging or does it keep going?
lume is pretty strong for printed lume. I had it next to my black bay and it held up surprisingly well against it. it does dim but you can read it fine in darkness. The lume surpasses my Stowa Flieger lume
@@EscapementWatch That's great! Thanks!
I've always wanted a 36mm IWC - honestly I think Fliegers work best in smaller sizes like a field watch! This is gorgeous.
Totally agree! kinda like a rolex explorer 36 vibe
I can’t decide between the brushed or sandblasted finish.
Definitely get the brushed, sand blast looks kinda cheap to me.
@@잡았다요놈-y9w agreed
Remark: If you need water resistance on an "Flieger" , you´re in deeeeep sh!t ...... (sorry Arnold) Very nice watch anyway. As I am living in the town in which LACO resides, I know an appreciate them very much. Nice one
Good point!
Take a look at the Bremont broadsword,beautiful watch at a great price
I think this watch is awesome. The only thing I don’t like is the ref number on the non-crown side but it’s not such a big deal I wouldn’t buy it. I’d go 40mm with the manual wind, inner ar only, and top decorated movement with exhibition caseback and bracelet. My build isn’t cheap but man it’s such a nice package.
PS. Do you think it’s really worth getting the ar on both sides? The inner ar did a good enough job at least on the video
7 inch wrist, 37 or 40mm?... what do you advice? Thanks!
Wanna know also
that is a tough choice for sure, I think you'd like the 40mm. But if you wear other 36mm watches like explorer style then go with the 37mm.
Do you still have the watch? How are you liking it?
Keeping or selling? Been eyeing this!
I sold it recently! Still the best option out there for a flieger? Probably.
May I ask why? I am contemplating it but unsure if 18mm bracelet would feel too dainty. I'm currently rocking a Longines Spirit 37mm but I hate the bracelet.@@EscapementWatch
Just a serial flipper and was worried how long the AR top coating would last. Also, I like to bring in new watches for content and flipping is the only way to do that.
Do you have any idea who supplies Laco the cases and the hands for the Flieger Pro? I recall there was some controversy around the origin of Stowa's cases in recent years (some people claimed they were Chinese and were poorly finished).
Stowa cases are made in china and then hand finished in Germany. Laco's case seems better finished but I do not know where it is from. I will make some inquiries.
@@EscapementWatch Thanks!
that looks nice homie
Curious if you still have this watch in your collection? Or perhaps found another "perfect" flieger?
95% of the watches that go on the channel end up for sale as I do not like having a large collection (10 watches is my set limit). I'm still on the hunt but do miss this Laco.
@@EscapementWatch Make sense! Hope you find that perfect flieger 👍🏻... will be keeping a close eye on your channel for a potential review
Would you go with a 40mm or 42mm if your wrist was 7" in size? I'm still debating before pulling the trigger on a flieger....
40mm
@@EscapementWatch I am leaning that way...just everyone seems to say a flieger should "wear big" and I do have other 42-45mm watches in my collection, but they are all divers which typically wear smaller than an all-dial watch. That said, if I was buying something non-flieger like say an Omega AT, I'd definitely go 40mm, so should a flieger really be any different....
fliegers should wear big is just something youtube influencer purist push. Its more important today to get a proper fit. 55mm was made for pilots back then for function and that is not needed today. Also, note there were original 34mm fliegers that no one talks about for ground personnel.
I'm debating the same thing. I have a 7.5" wrist. What did you decide?
Have you had a chance to check out the Stowa Flieger Classic 36mm? I’m curious how it compares to the 37mm Laco pro.
I only reviewed the 40mm Stowa years ago. Maybe one day in the future I will buy a stowa 36 to see.
Yes, I saw and liked your Stowa video, after leaving that comment. Great review as well. I'm torn between the 36mm Stowa and the 37mm Laco. I prefer manual wind and I have a feeling that the Stowa winds nicer, especially with that true onion crown. Do you recall??
The Stowa is also a bit thinner which I like.
the crown is great on the stowa with excellent winding. Laco's is a bit sharper more grippy.
you got the auto or manual? Great watch btw
Because it has a screw down crown I never wanted to unscrew it everyday to wind it go with automatic
@@EscapementWatch great tip thanks
May I know the brand of the beautiful watch you wear on your wrist?
Vintage Grand Seiko 57GS there is a full video about it on my channel
I think the iwc type 20 has it beat, on the fly adjustment, no one has etched a silly number on the side off the case. If the laco can fix those issues I’ll give it another look.
Damn, this is 👍👍👍
How many hours is the max power-reserve on this movement? Also - real-world accuracy?
real world +2-4seconds a day. 40hours observed pr
Does your crown feel a bit wobbly when unscrewed?
yes a little bit
Does it have a Ghost Date position?
This or the Hamilton Khaki Field automatic 38mm?
hmmm I'd go with this! lugs are so long on the khaki.
shiny case probably wouldn't fit well with a pilot/field watch like this.
This is why I don't get IWC, neither do they replicate their original desigs nor do they create new designs, their movements are based very much on ETAs, only their fit and finish would be better than brands like Laco. For all that they're charging luxury level prices. 🤷🏻♂️
I haven't handled an IWC yet but I have a hard time seeing the value over this Laco Pro. Maybe if the finish is incredible, which I'm skeptical of. But maybe that will all change if I handle one, one day.
Its certainly a great watch. But I just can't see spending so match on a non distinct watch. So many specs can be had for so much cheaper. I mean, not a top grade movement, but that dial is just not worth a thousand dollars. Let alone 1500 no matter what you stuff in the case. BUT, this is a much better option if you can afford it, than an IWC. But I just can't see how you wouldn't go with a million other microbrands or aliexpress watches. It's not like this dial layout is exclusive. But great review. Love your style!
Tool or dress watch?
and, not or
Everything is great, except for the green color of the lume, - a dealbraker for me, I would like white or light yellow (old radium?) and the logo - I know you can remove the logo and the "Made in Germany", but a better logo would be even better.
It looks less green in real life. The video shows it well. Only time you really see the green is in some lighting conditions. Could be the double AR coating that makes it look more white in real life. I was wondering about that.
What is your wrist size?
I had the 37mm...random the screw crown was accidentaly open, too big and realy in contact with my arms. In general i think Stowa is on another level...
Is this consider as fack version of IWC? Or they are the same
No. And not the same.
if you're interested in originality and hertitage, the Laco is even substantially more true to its root as an actual pilots watch for the military.
Dekla watches offer customization without the green lume. Less expensive and a nicer crown, in my opinion.
IWC is on a different level!
Personally,. I would not like a high polished bezel on this style of watch, that said options are nice to have.
Great review but the FL engraving is a no go
Nice. Great value. A good size too. Not all historic pilot's watches were wrist clocks! Longines (true pilot heritage), Hamilton and the IWC Mark (the original, before it was butchered) were in this 36-38mm range. Only Luftwaffe fliegers were especially big due to Nazi design criteria. And shall we all agree that Nazi militaria is a tad distasteful? Once pilots migrated to jets, the traditional size dropped again, because the planes were far smoother. As flight suits became more complex, watches got worn underneath anyway.
why do people who are after the classic look still opt for a model with a brand logo? It's not as if Laco or Stowa are brands that highlight the unlimited pockets of the wearer?
Because overall you still get that classic look but this is an all new case it's not a one-to-one copy of the original the lugs are completely different and the crystal. So having the logo is perfect for a modern reinterpretation rebirth if you will of the flieger. And if you have a modern Flieger you might as well proudly display one of the original brands that made them.
@@EscapementWatchthanks for the reply! I got the Stowa B without logo, still more fond of it that way
Sinn killer
You mentioned finishing of the hands and pin and collar ... really for a watch of this cost I would expect only the very best finishing and screw links. Also no micro adjust!! I guess I'll pass!
Both sides AR coating may be good for a dress watch. For anything else is just making saphire crystals a nonsense.
Buying this with Dial B
Any Flieger watches less than 40mm are just dress watches.
Flieger watches need to be at least 40mm. It’s in their aesthetic, their raison d’etre to be on the bigger end of watch spectrum.
sinn 556 anyday
1560 usd? I paid less for my Stowa flieger. How would you change a Stowa for this? Don’t get it. Better finishing, slimmer case. Better movement. Overall better brand.
The finish is better on the Laco. Plus much better water resistance (200m on the Laco vs 50m on the Stowa) Movements are the same imo and brands are equal imo.
@@EscapementWatch well who needs 200m on a pilot watch. You won’t take it swimming. Also who wants to have a screw down crown specially on a manual handwinding movement. Dimensions are better on the Stowa (subjective) but it’s slimmer. Onion crown is a lot nicer. Well I checked the movements not much different. I got a eta and the laco got sellita. I guess both brands have same history but laco have been making a lot of low end watches whiles Stowa feels a lot more focused on watches in the 1500 usd range.
It is the peace of mind knowing your watch can do anything. It is one of the big draws to Rolex sports watches like the legendary 36mm Explorer(which has a screw down crown, 100m of water resist and a bracelet, simple 3 hander) Just like this laco pro. I don't think the Stowa has a bracelet option last I checked. That is another plus for the laco as it can be a GADA, go any where do anything sports watch. Swim, climb, office work etc. The laco is thicker by 0.7mm but overall it still presents as a very thin professional timepiece with more presence then the stowa on the wrist. And just because Laco offers a more affordable options doesn't mean they can't make nice watches in other price brackets.
@@vegardvang519 Are you saying only actual aviation pilots should buy "pilot" watches? By extension, only actual divers should buy "dive" watches?🤣
Too small. I think you need the 40mm for sure
Hopefully, san martin will do something similar in 38mm. Titanium will be even better! This one, too pricey!
san martin already makes a 39mm s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dd31RON
meh,,,not 55mm like the real ones..this is too yuppiesh
Check out the bronze green dial Stowa flieger 40. Absolutely stunning. And a lot better than this laco in everything
Pffft... I mean, the watch is good, even great for 1940es. But for modern standards, it's just an useless toy, or a shiny decorative bracelet at best.
The perfect flieger would be 40 mm in diameter, with titanium case, solar quartz movement and atomic watch signal reception.
Like every mechanical watch. I don’t get your point
I have a laco Leipzig. Manual wind, bead blasted case, leather strap. Perfect for me. I wouldn't buy a modern version like what you like. No interest at all.
@@Koishishibaman the beauty of the pro is that you can order it in beat blasted, manual wound and leather strap version if that is your taste.
@@perudolux My point is that I don't get the point of the video. Like I've already said, this is far from a "perfect pilots watch"... almost a century far.
@@Koishishibaman I admire your devotion to old, obsolete things. I guess you like to drive your horse carriage to work, and you probably sent this comment through the postal service. LOL
what is the reason ,you aave the gloves on you hands?
finger prints and to cause less distraction. I can't personally watch any watch video if the person has bare hands.