It's unfortunate that you guys captured the style so well that a lot of people believed you didn't clean up and assumed you were "lazy" when it's in fact the opposite
My guess was in-between - I thought the left them on purpose to accentuate that it's a pilot and that if you want to see more of it and cleaner you better support the project somehow.
I thought it was a mistake for a few minutes but I have no idea how somebody would see that and say it was 'lazy', like if you stopped and looked at it for more than half a second you could tell that there was clean line art that was separate from the sketchy lines. I just thought that they had forgotten to hide the rough layer when rendering the first scene when I first noticed it, and when it kept reappearing throughout it was obvious that it was done intentionally.
2 seconds of cleanup taking a few weeks is proof that cleanup artists should not be paid per second of cleanup, but per hour of work. Because while $65 per second seems like a lot. Sometimes it is not. I've spent 10 hours on one second of cleanup on a production. The pay was... not great. Cleanup artists working in indie animation know what I'm talking about. The per second model is really common and it shouldn't be. (note: This is not about Lackadaisy specifically. I don't know how payment worked for them.)
As an animator myself, I knew it was done purposefully and I've been looking for a video explaining how they did it! I absolutely love the work, I guess if you aren't trained it could look accidental but for how great and smooth and well-lit the show is, it's hard to believe anyone thought the lines were there accidently or due to laziness. I guess people really do not understand how much work goes into animation, especially hand-drawn. Thank you for explaining the process! I'm always looking for new ways to make my work unique and I think this show is definitely a standout in that regard. I hope we get more full episodes! About to binge all of your videos!
When i saw it, i thought "oh it just a pilot, so its ok when its _sketchy_ , cool i like it". And when u explained it was an artistic choice i was like"wow! Thats so much cooler and nice" it feels very natural and human like, i love it so much. I want to thank you and your team for experimenting with that. I love the sketchiness. (Sorry for grammar, love from 🇲🇾)
that’s so cool!! I loved the decision of “keeping the rough animation”, I had no idea that it was so intentional that you drew it _after_ the cleanup!! the lackadaisy pilot was BEAUTIFUL and y’all did such an incredible job!!!
I remember seeing the pilot and loving the rough/construction lines. As someone whose trying to get into the animation scene as an animator it makes it really nice to digest how the characters are made and how they move. I never considered it was an intentional design decision though so that's really neat.
As somebody who wants to get into the indie animation world, I LOVE hearing about the BTS of passion projects like this. I thoroughly enjoyed the pilot and I hope so much we get to see more in this world!
Pretty cool of you guys keeping that sketch looking rough style in the final project, it gives off that traditional look to it in the process. awesome work as usual 🥰
Now that you mention it, I just remembered that fan art cartoon of Star Trek: TNG done in the Star Trek animation style from the 1970s. Complete with cigarette ash shmears as well.
I guess that I was in the former camp of "what were they thinking by leaving those lines in!" I never thought of the history of this like you've demonstrated here. And if I'm honest, I never thought of the Xerox angle.
I thought the sketch lines gave the animation a sort of "intentional bootleg" feel...which was extremely fitting for a show that's literally about bootleggers.
It’s probably not related to the context of this video but I just want to say that you’ve done a fantastic job with the animation style for Lackadaisy. Your work has made me become a fan of that pilot and it even inspired me to improve my own art style and my own character designs. I might even get back into 2D animation sometime.
Glad you made this video, always want to see more animation education out there as it starts building people's knowledge of how to use software like this and either appreciate the effort put into their favorite stuff more, or get interested in making some themselves. Excited to see part 2!
I noticed the lines in the example animation had no anti-aliasing. Is that how you exported the animation, to later be smoothed at another stage? Or did it get smoothed natively in Harmony? I'm wondering because I'd like to export from harmony with no anti-aliasing, and take that into Adobe After Effects for compositing. I'd also like to know, since it looks like you used the pencil tool, as opposed to the brush tool (which has an option to turn off anti-aliasing) how you'd even get the non a-a effect. As far as I've found, the pencil tool doesn't have a way to turn off a-a. Great work by the way, and thank you so much for describing your/the team's process, it really helps others learn new techniques.
Ah, despite loving the project wholeheartedly I just couldn't get used to the lines. I love me some rough animation from time to time, and I understand & respect this artistic/stylization choice of the team, but to me it was rather overdone, and I wish there were less lines left... Especially facial lines, at times those felt extremely distracting, and to me it was heartbraking because I enjoyed watching LACKADAISY so much, but those lines were always there to annoy me. Eh, to each their own, I suppose. Thank you for this video, it was highly educational and entertaining!
Always been fascinated by those short "in-between" frames, while often looking goofy they add so much to the life of the animation. Great video.
Thank you !
It's unfortunate that you guys captured the style so well that a lot of people believed you didn't clean up and assumed you were "lazy" when it's in fact the opposite
Are they seriously saying that... geez... i'm glad that we're moving away from the one clean vector line.
Lol that is the irony. Guess it was a bit too convincing!
My guess was in-between - I thought the left them on purpose to accentuate that it's a pilot and that if you want to see more of it and cleaner you better support the project somehow.
Oh well!
I thought it was a mistake for a few minutes but I have no idea how somebody would see that and say it was 'lazy', like if you stopped and looked at it for more than half a second you could tell that there was clean line art that was separate from the sketchy lines. I just thought that they had forgotten to hide the rough layer when rendering the first scene when I first noticed it, and when it kept reappearing throughout it was obvious that it was done intentionally.
2 seconds of cleanup taking a few weeks is proof that cleanup artists should not be paid per second of cleanup, but per hour of work. Because while $65 per second seems like a lot. Sometimes it is not. I've spent 10 hours on one second of cleanup on a production. The pay was... not great. Cleanup artists working in indie animation know what I'm talking about. The per second model is really common and it shouldn't be. (note: This is not about Lackadaisy specifically. I don't know how payment worked for them.)
Yup
As an animator myself, I knew it was done purposefully and I've been looking for a video explaining how they did it! I absolutely love the work, I guess if you aren't trained it could look accidental but for how great and smooth and well-lit the show is, it's hard to believe anyone thought the lines were there accidently or due to laziness. I guess people really do not understand how much work goes into animation, especially hand-drawn.
Thank you for explaining the process! I'm always looking for new ways to make my work unique and I think this show is definitely a standout in that regard. I hope we get more full episodes! About to binge all of your videos!
While I didn't know the sketchy lines were on purpose, I did enjoy them and loved the charm they added.
When i saw it, i thought "oh it just a pilot, so its ok when its _sketchy_ , cool i like it". And when u explained it was an artistic choice i was like"wow! Thats so much cooler and nice" it feels very natural and human like, i love it so much. I want to thank you and your team for experimenting with that. I love the sketchiness. (Sorry for grammar, love from 🇲🇾)
So glad you enjoyed it!
that’s so cool!! I loved the decision of “keeping the rough animation”, I had no idea that it was so intentional that you drew it _after_ the cleanup!! the lackadaisy pilot was BEAUTIFUL and y’all did such an incredible job!!!
Thank you!
I remember seeing the pilot and loving the rough/construction lines. As someone whose trying to get into the animation scene as an animator it makes it really nice to digest how the characters are made and how they move. I never considered it was an intentional design decision though so that's really neat.
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As somebody who wants to get into the indie animation world, I LOVE hearing about the BTS of passion projects like this. I thoroughly enjoyed the pilot and I hope so much we get to see more in this world!
Glad to hear!
@@ZeBirdBrain 😃
Every single time I rewatch lackadaisy I'm always blown away by the animation, you guys did a fantastic job on this
Pretty cool of you guys keeping that sketch looking rough style in the final project, it gives off that traditional look to it in the process. awesome work as usual 🥰
Thanks!
Now that you mention it, I just remembered that fan art cartoon of Star Trek: TNG done in the Star Trek animation style from the 1970s. Complete with cigarette ash shmears as well.
Thanks for sharing because I was very curious about how you achieved this look! The film is amazing.
I guess that I was in the former camp of "what were they thinking by leaving those lines in!" I never thought of the history of this like you've demonstrated here. And if I'm honest, I never thought of the Xerox angle.
now u know
I feel like I would have preferred if the sketch lines were removed. But i understand it was an intentional decision and a stylistic choice
We prefered it with the line ✨️ ❤️ 👍 👌
I thought the sketch lines gave the animation a sort of "intentional bootleg" feel...which was extremely fitting for a show that's literally about bootleggers.
Intentional bootleg ✨️ 👌 i love it haha
It’s probably not related to the context of this video but I just want to say that you’ve done a fantastic job with the animation style for Lackadaisy. Your work has made me become a fan of that pilot and it even inspired me to improve my own art style and my own character designs. I might even get back into 2D animation sometime.
glad to hear!
I loved the sketch lines in the episode so much! Its truly amazing to see how much hard work you guys put into getting that authentic look
Glad you liked it
Really cool! Appreciate all your hard work!
My pleasure!
This is amazing. thank you for sharing this
No prob!
I loved the pilot so much!! if I may ask, what was the texture of the pencil that y’all used for the lineart?? ❤❤
Lol, so animators didn''t forget to remove those lines and even drew them...aaaaaalriiiight. But anyway the lineart is great!
Its a beautiful a e s t e t h i c ✨️ 💖 👌
Thank you for taking the time to explain this!
Glad it was helpful!
I´m loving these behind the scenes
^^
Amazing! Can’t wait to learn more
More to come!
Glad you made this video, always want to see more animation education out there as it starts building people's knowledge of how to use software like this and either appreciate the effort put into their favorite stuff more, or get interested in making some themselves. Excited to see part 2!
Glad it was helpful!
C'est malade! Good job!!🤩
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I noticed the lines in the example animation had no anti-aliasing. Is that how you exported the animation, to later be smoothed at another stage? Or did it get smoothed natively in Harmony? I'm wondering because I'd like to export from harmony with no anti-aliasing, and take that into Adobe After Effects for compositing. I'd also like to know, since it looks like you used the pencil tool, as opposed to the brush tool (which has an option to turn off anti-aliasing) how you'd even get the non a-a effect. As far as I've found, the pencil tool doesn't have a way to turn off a-a.
Great work by the way, and thank you so much for describing your/the team's process, it really helps others learn new techniques.
We had antialiasing
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing ^^
Thanks for watching!
Can you tell from where can I learn how to rig a complete 360 turnaround character?
Learn to rig
Trial and error
Take a rigging class
@@ZeBirdBrain Thanks for replying. Where would you recommend I take the rigging class?
Ah, despite loving the project wholeheartedly I just couldn't get used to the lines. I love me some rough animation from time to time, and I understand & respect this artistic/stylization choice of the team, but to me it was rather overdone, and I wish there were less lines left... Especially facial lines, at times those felt extremely distracting, and to me it was heartbraking because I enjoyed watching LACKADAISY so much, but those lines were always there to annoy me. Eh, to each their own, I suppose.
Thank you for this video, it was highly educational and entertaining!
Ok
Seems like a lot of extra work 😅
It be like that sometimes in Animation!