Futureproofing As Fast As Possible
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2016
- How much sense does it make to try and "futureproof" your PC so it'll be ready for what's to come years down the line?
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"The future is going to happen." -Linus, 2016.
Much wisdom. Very philiosophos. Wow
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@@gan1 And we all wish it didn’t.
It's 2022, and I predict next year will come at the beginning of 2023.
People of the future: Please tell me whether I'm right or not...
Best way to futureproof is to use things that don't go out of date. I'm having my personal assistant type this for me after I wrote it with my feather pen from 1867. Never had to upgrade. "freshbooks" Pah! I have an abacus and henchmen. I know what I'm getting paid, and when.
I have an 8 year old i7 920, and it still is pretty rock solid. I feel pretty future-proofed.
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No, it is not 8 years old, its 7 and a half, but close enough. It came out in 2008
The most future-proofed CPU I have ever seen is the Q6600, just because recent "i" series is not older than that.
+NeRDbOy100 My last system from 2009 till last year had i7 920 in it as well. It was a great purchase, lasted longer than i thought. Supported by that experience i do think that "futureproofing" your CPU might just be worth it, especially at the occasions when there has actually been a considerable jump in performance.
@@NeRDbOy100 boi its now almost 13 years N I C E
As a CPU it is indeed rock solid.
The best way to future proof is to have infinite money
TheJacobShapiro that's my wish if I ever find a genie lamp. A debit card with infinite money.
What if money is outdated?🤔
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It's a server processor and workstation/server graphics card, dude
look at the three last letters of the url :D
.... it's Mac :/
+Tom Dilley FUTUREPROOF
+FinnishDude Epic dude
+FinnishDude MAC IS THE ANSWER KREYGASM
+FinnishDude Macs are the opposite of futureproof, where they annualize hardware releases with limited upgradability and everyone thinks they gotta have the "latest" and "greatest"..
Getting a decent tower is a good way of "future proofing" but otherwise just get the best value parts, like Linus said
+Dv8 I agree, i think with skylake (since its not that much more expensive) is a good way to go because ddr4 has just come in and the the next type? (ddr5 or whatever) won't come for some time... but even then its not really 'worth' it
+Dezza2241 Once DDR3 is phased out, it will become more expensive to buy. This happened to me with an old DDR2 build. I needed more ram, and 4GB of DDR2 was more expensive than 8GB of DDR3. So I would recommend DDR4 over DDR3 if the price isn't that much of a jump. You'll get better performance and it could be cheaper in the long run.
Got myself core 2 quad when it was released. Worked perfectly for 8 years
+saprykingo sooo, now you're saying it doesn't?
lol just messin' :)
Are you still using it today?
well, i think things have shown that tax proofing your income is a lot easier than death proofing your body
+Gordon Freeman does "offshore operations" mean nothing to these people?
+Gordon Freeman #PanamaPapers
Gordon Freeman true! 😂
I remember when back in 2009 people were telling me to get the 512mb ATI 5770 and not the 1GB one as it wont matter.
They were wrong. That 1GB mid range ATI 5770 from 2009 STILL plays even new games. So... VRAM helps.
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Well... I would be unable to play Witcher 3 without that 1GB of VRAM. So yeah, it did help.
*Also part of why the R9 390 is > GTX 970.
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I thankfully dont use Linux and on Windows, AMD drivers are better than Nvidia drivers these days.
I hear they are getting better on Linux as well.
I wont support Gimpvidia these days. Thank God they are also usually worse so I am not losing anything.
Yep recently spent extra to get an 8gb rx580 over the 4gb for this reason. I only game in 1080p. Still worth it long term. Especially with hi res texture pack dlc.
But is this video futureproof?
When Moore's Law ends, we will all look back on this video with bemusement.
Yes
Absolutely not because of 3:28 and 3:38
It was i boght gtx 108p at this video time and now its shit
he mentioned SLI, so not really :D
To futureproof, buy the high quality and robust model of:
Case, Power supply, and Cooling solution
Not matter how hard you try you will need to upgrade your:
Motherboard, CPU, GPU, RAM, and HDD/SSD
Got it bro. Thanks.
I mean people still rocking the fx8350 for a decade
I agree, i think the motherboard can be future proofed for a little while.. with AMD now a wide range of support for their cpus on older and newer motherboards
and if you upgrade right as DDR5 comes out, then your ram will be able to stick with you.. for atleast 5 years, even if you upgrade everything else inbetween
@@PizzaPowerXYZ i am still Rocking AMD athlon X2 dual core processor 😂😂😂 just dumped it this year and buying a New PC 5600X+RTX 3080+ASUS ROG and my Old Mobo is also of ASUS Company
The funny thing is that I've always taken the term future proofing to mean spending a bit more to ensure there are viable upgrade paths, because if you're just spending a bit more to get better performance, that usually means a bit more future compatibility but doesn't significantly extend the lifespan of your system.
3:26 "unlocked K processor from Intel" none of those were K.
+neckless.
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+neckless. but the new skylakes can technically be overclocked with older BIOS versions.
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+neckless. He did mention the K's though.
+neckless. kkk
Intel should have made a smart watch and named it iwatch just to shit on apple
+Prototype 2.0 There is a company who makes "iWatch", that's why Apple couldn't name their "Apple Watch" that name. And it's not a smart watch, but a normal watch... so they shit big time on apple.
Let's do this.
Seriously.
+MrBiky Omg I have an iWatch, Fuck you Apple.
I saw future proofing as buying the latest shit and being able to play the latest games at full resolution, no need to upgrade for around five years, then buy a brand new computer. Rinse and repeat.
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+Jacob Lambda I second that :) I think that's a good way of doing it.
Having said that, I did blow a $1000 on my first CPU, the first 1GHz that came out :)
I actually think prices have stayed the same for the last 10 years, best CPUs are still around $1-$1.5k
If you allow for inflation, they're about 30% cheaper though, so you have a point as well.
Regarding your original comment, I find the MB/CPU purchase such a large chunk of the system I often end up just building a new PC (case, HDs, cards and RAM sometimes stay, sometimes not :)
My iMac from 2008 works pretty well...
+Azzy Yeah but can it run crysis?
I have a 2011 iMac that was almost thrown away.
My early 2009 mac mini still works perfectly. If I need to play heavy games I use my fathers computer.
+RIZE my commodore 64 works fine
My EDVAC also works fine.
I future proof my "first dates" by spending 5 minutes in the bathroom prior? Smart move Linus?
Good video again from Linus. I love how much sence this guy makes. I've been building my pc's for about 25 years now and have never updated anything except adding more harddrives. In the end, when I start thinking about upgrading a component, all other components are also so outdated that I end up changing the entire pc. So I agree on Linus' recommendation: Buy as good as you reasonably can for your current budget. Oh, and for me the second best component is almost always better value for money than the top-end.
I always thought of futureproofing as, "Building a setup that will last a few years. Typically 5 years", not as something I will never have to upgrade. lol. Some people really think you can Permanently Futureproof a PC?
But how you described it made it sound like it's people just wasting money on poor price to performance gains. I would definitely say that it's a good idea to buy what you can afford now instead of blowing your budget. And with the current hardware you can get, you'll probably be set in 5 years. I'd only say you need to make sure you have NVMe Support and That PCIe gen 4 is probably gonna take hold in the next couple years so getting a MoBo that supports that is a good idea. But those are pretty cheap to gain atm.
Also DON'T feed the scalpers. Wait it out.
I feel like futureproofing means a lot of things. A PC that's able to do anything at high speeds comparative to the most current high-end stuff. A PC that can go to its limit but still maintain its condition. I like futureproof stuff. I will buy the best thing so that way I can save up more money and wait for something that will overtake my current specs by a huge jump.
I always go Price/Peformance and build quality/reliability.
+spevi1234 "everyone else", not including people who buy brand pcs just for the brand, or pre-assembled pcs at a pc store.
Most know shit about pcs, even people in IT most of the times dont have a clue about hardware.
Most people just want a pc that works "fast" (aka looks cool) or the "best" pc there is, aka crappy marketing scam, the guy got sold the slowest i7 with a cheapest via motherboard (do those even still exist?) and 1gb of ram minus some for the igp, and windows 10
***** whoever buys a mac isnt a smart buyer at all.....
And yeah some people do but its not most of them. very few do, and of those few, even less have any understanding of how hardware works, or what to look for
I'm sure lots of people read reviews before buying those 9999999MHz 4gb ddr3 sticks. Oh look the review shows it's faster, now my internet will go twice as fast.....
also asking the seller isnt very smart, he probably knows shit about pcs and the guy is being paid to SELL you stuff, and only to sell you stuff, not to sell you good stuff.
yeah the slowest i7 is good enough, but the guy asked for the best pc and got sold crap, because a mid class amd cpu can do better than a slow i7 and is cheaper, so the gy just got sold the branding. "oh look it's an intel i7!"
Just like my dad recomended me the shittiest pentium4....a prescott, and just because he was like oh but intel is good, the quality bllahblahblah.
And i remember seeing the intel Extreme edition signs somewhere....had i bought a athlon64 back then i would have gotten a way better deal. But thats what happens when you are a kid and believe you dad actually knows about what he's tallking about....
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it was actually quite awesome. i believed my dad, so i had a "freaking pentium 4". Just imagine, i was coming from a 500mhz pentium3 with a 6gb hdd. My neighbor had a 550mhz k5-2 (one of those compac presario) and we all had those old ide hdds which couldnt do 20mb/s
So not only did i get 6 times the mhz, i also got a 80gb SATA hdd and 1gb of ram. Joining files with kamaleon took nothing, loading the files was instant while on the other pcs it took a couple of seconds and joining the parts together took minutes and i'm talking about almost 10 minutes to join a cd worth of 20-50mb files.
Maybe having an althlon64 would have made it last longer, mostly because overclock and because the 3ghz pentium 4 630 (the 65nm version) was painfully slow by the time win7 came out.
Now a days it would be comparable to going from an phenom ii x2 with 1gb to an i7 with 16gb and an ssd. :P
I have a early 2000's CRT that still has faster response than any LCD
Am I doing it right ?
No. In practice, it's better use an LCD for the higher picture quality.
BmanUltima really? i cant notice the quality
you mean clarity? the edges are a little sharper but honestly id rather have that CRT con than all of the LCD cons.
+Sage Maneja I wish I'd kept my family's old CRTs. I recycled them about 6 years ago before I knew anything about computers. I think there's still one in my mom's attic, but it's for an old '80s Amiga.
Riflemanm16a2 oh thats a shame.. you can still get them for 5 to 20€ or even for free sometimes but there are some models that arent worth getting imo (the smallest ones)
Yeah, there's no comparison in picture quality. And the latency is really a non issue because it's less than perceptible anyway.
Futureproofing = buying the most expensive shit available. There, I saved you eight minutes of your life.
you forgot the " just don't do it and get what is the best for your money"
+rrralf I always think about "futureproofing" when I do a build, but your definition doesn't fit for me. To me, futureproofing is thinking of how to extend as much life out of the PC while also thinking of the best bang for the buck. Linus gives a couple of examples such as spending a few dollars more for a mb that has 4 ram slots instead of 2. If I'm buying a low end CPU, I would choose an i3 over an AMD FX-8300 because the upgrade of an i3 to an i5/i7 would be a huge leap in performance when budget permits. If I could afford an i5, I'd spend $20 more for the unlocked version for overclocking in the future. I have a Q6600 build from 9 years ago that is still being used for gaming. It has less than $1000 invested in it, and the only upgrades have been the GPU, some extra ram, and a nice overclock to the CPU. I gave it to my nephew, and it runs many games as good as my PS4 if not better.
+Maximum 90 exactly!
+rrralf rrralf no, Maximum 90 yes.
Also depends on what u want from your PC
Great stuff Linus! Thank you.
Thanks god I don't have this problems, because I don't have money... Thanks ECB.
Get a good quality PSU, case and case fans(optional). Get a surge protector. Get a good chair, mechanical keyboard, mouse and desk. If those parts you bought aren't lemons, they'll last 3 or more PC builds.
That said, you don't need to spend stupid amounts of money on the above list. My coolermaster case from 2003 is still in use. PSU is around 2008. Bought cheap desks that work, but wish I bought something better- same for the chairs, mice and keyboard.
+Jeff Cook Literally no point in forking out for a mechanical kb unless you like the clicky feel. Been using the same rubberdome kb for about 4 years now and theres sod all wrong with it.
The dome keyboards I bought were in college- around 2006-2009, dirt cheap ($20) and they didn't last. I had bad luck and shit is built better nowadays.
Hello Jeff, can I know what psu are you using? (Srry bad english)
The advice I got in 1990 when buying my first computer, was to only invest in a good monitor and for the rest get stuff that's slightly behind the curve and on sale and replace regularly.
I think this is still true 25 years later. Only monitors are worth investing in. Maybe printers and a few other things.
Going the Xeon rout with processors is the best form of future proofing. My Mac Pro 2010 is killing it today with an originally priced $2100 processor that I got on eBay for $180. Same goes for today's v3 xeons and the potential v4 upgrades.
but how... how do i keep up with the kardashians?
Don't.
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The BEST WAY TO FUTUREPROOF BUY THE BARE MINIMUM GRAPHICS TO HIT 45-60 fps 1080p on CURRENT GAMES!!!!.That way you have money saved for the future... SLI and crossfire is junk... not worth it.Quit trying to buy stuff to stroke and increase your size of your Digital D and work with what you you have .
Edit: Lol later in the video linus said this XD
Futureproofing is NOT about making sure your computer can live up to the state of the art in the future (as it never will be,) but about making parts last long enough in the future and have a decent upgrade path so the computer can stay relevant for a longer time. I have several computers that have served me for over a decade while still staying relevant.
Of course there was an exception to the rule, back in 2010. A pair of 32nm Westmere Xeon's (from the e56xx or x56xx series) on an EVGA SR-2. An SR-2 with a pair of e5645's (Hexa-core's w/ Hyper Threading) had a very similar cost to building something with a current Extreme Edition today (or back then for that matter, prices really haven't moved at the top of the market). An e5645 was ~$550, so right at $100 more than an 5960x today for the chips.
The SR-2 was a dual socket board with all you overclocking functionality of any top end X58 board at the time, and since overclocking back then was done via base clock, server chips where overclockable. Just like good X58 boards a blck of 200 was pretty much readily achievable on an SR-2. The e5645 had a 19x multiplier, effectively 20x w/ turbo forced on, so 20x200, yielding 4Ghz on bargain e5645's. Very conveniently, getting 4Ghz out of a Westmere/Gulftown chip requires only a marginal amount of voltage over stock, and thus could be cooled completely on NH-D14's or similar air options, even under 24/7 100% load.
So, this is 2010, with 12 cores / 24 threads @ 4Ghz, on a board with support for up to 12x8GB of ram, with 7 PCI-e slots (and a pair of nf200 chips to provide them with lanes) all for around $400-$500 dollars more than an Extreme Edition build of 2010 or 2016 (~$200 more on the motherboard, ~$100 for the chips, ~$100-200 more depending on ram choices and a second heatsink since your buying for two cpu's)
Obviously Nehalem -> Sandy Bridge -> Haswell have had architectural gains, but Nehalem to sandy was about 20% and sandy to Haswell some thing more like 15-20%. So is a best case, that's ~44% architectural advantage for current chips to the Nehalem derivatives. (I've left out the Skylake tock since we have yet to get an X chipset and an EE for it, and as far as maximum performance is concerned 5960x is more capable than a 6700k)
There are a few cases of were lacking new instruction sets are largely detrimental (AVX for example) and single threaded performance on newer chips is obviously going to stretch a disproportionate gap to an SR-2 from the architectural gains but, the reality 6 years ago is the same as today, if your only using software that makes use of 1 or 2 cores the very high end isn't where you should be shopping, a lower core count chip (of the same architecture) that can get to higher frequency is what you should be aiming for, but, if you were going for longevity, an SR-2 built in 2010 is still as fast or faster than a current extreme edition, with just as much expand-ability. You've effectively paid < $100 a year, to have today's top shelf performance, for the last 6 years. That's near as makes no difference future proof.
Is this video 'future proof'?
were u eating cheetos cus ur hands r a lovely shade of cheese dust
+BootinNj Yeah, I noticed the very orange hands as well.
bought the r9 290 when it came out and expected to do 5 years with it still going strong atm.. with a normal i7 8gb ram ssd from crucial and a 650w psu (this is a new psu as the previous one was faulty and got a new one in guarantie)
Well.. I bought a super nice case and a big powersupply 10 years. back. Swapped everything else 3 times in the meantime, where i go best bang/buck, and super happy with that approach. But currently I am considering leaving the desktop behind, go ultra-book with a core-i7 and an external graphicscard and dockingstation.
Processors haven't changed for the last 5 years. That means the only thing I could potentially upgrade is my GPU... And my mobo cause I bought an H87m instead of a z97m. Mostly cause Asus didn't manufacturer any, and the ones they did manufacturer were super expensive (Micro-ATX). Although my mobo works fine. Can't overclock the ram though.
RAM speed doesn't affect game performances.
And if it does in certain circumstances, it's pointless to spend 120$ and eventually bother to sell the old one for... a couple of FPS?
Yosyp There is a worth while different between 1333mhz and 1600mhz. I bought 1600mhz. Might as well clock it to 1600mhz. Except my PC becomes unstable and crashes.
Looks like Linus was eating some doritos or cheetos prior to making this video lol
he got some on his face😂😂😂
+CyDoneTV His hands are always freakishly orange. Perhaps he should do a video explaining that as fast as possible.
Feynstein 100 I never noticed it until now. And he's always flailing his hands around lol
seeing how most people still play at 1080, i think my living room htpc is still fairly future proofed. built it pretty much on launch day of lga 1336 i7 and gtx 4x0. only game i havent been able to play is ACU because it was so badly optimized. Plus, the only part that has been replace is the SSD (originally was an OCZ vertex 50gb)
i do have a newer pc with a i5 4690k/ gtx970 but my old HTPC is still chugging along just fine at what, 6 or 7 years old? It will more then likely be turned into a home server once i buy a new house and am able to run network cables everywhere.
Always the helpful info Linus, I am also part of your forum community and I had a couple threads in there because I was stuck with upgrading my z87 mobo that I got in 2014 to an x99 and then get possibly the 5930k or 6850k but everyone told me that for gaming and streaming performance wise my 4770k is still good and that I should wait till something rly worth the upgrade meaning 15-25% performance comes out. See my Rig below:
Phantek Enthoo Primo Case - Still one of the best cases to date
ASUS Z87 Pro Mobo - Still a solid board (Even though the ASROCK X99 Taichi was tempting me =p )
i7 4770k CPU
EVGA GTX 780 Classy GPU - Thinking of Upgrading to 2 1080 Classys 1 now and one later OR both simultaneously but the $750 price tag is still too steep for me to drop on this GPU. (This is probably from a budget POV the only thing I need to upgrade in my Rig)
Samsung 840 EVO 500GB SSD & 1TB WD Perf. Black Series HDD
EVGA SuperNova P2 1000W PSU
Please let me know your thoughts on this Linus, I also plan to get rid of my old 27in Samsung 1080p @ 60 Hz Monitor and replace with either two 27in BenQ 144hz 1440p monitors or a single LG 144hz Ultrawide 34in monitor that is 2560x1080p
6:05 | What was that guy doing? Was he just screwing ;) around with the ram
+Peter Hindes Checking out those juicy memory chips!
StoreBrand | Bernie2016 because normal ram has screws :)
***** Gota get that liquid cooled ddr 4 on your work pc :)
I always invest a lot in a PSU and MOBO
+MCOD1999 i think it more important to invest in a good optical drive
+Power Ha thats a good joke.
+Derrec Ogle was not a joke.
+MCOD1999 Funny thing is that many actually do that! Dumb bastards!
Bought my M2N32SLi-Deluxe based PC 10 years ago.
This year swapped the Athlon for a 3.4GHz Phenom II, doubled the RAM, added a GTX770 and voila: Witcher 3, Crysis 3, GTA V and METRO Last Light in FullHD at almost full detail.
Rocking even after 10 years... This was my futureproofing example.
This is great reasoning! I'd be interested in hearing what you think about buying high end pre-built PCs or laptops
I'm in the market for a new laptop and don't know if it really matters to get the newest one or save $300 and get last years model.
My I7-2600k from 2011 sure was futureproof in hindsight
2500k here, you're damn right
+Oh Forfoxsake
Exactly. CPUs have NOT been increasing real performance anywhere near the rate they did in the 90s. These days, even a laptop a Core i7 2670QM CPU is still very much a viable mobile computing platoform if it came with a decent GPU, unless you're one who will settle for no less than maxed out graphics settings at no less than 60FPS.
It's nothing like the 90s, when getting a laptop of the same price 3 years after is the difference between a Fiat and a Lamborghini.
+Thomas Dimic i'm still on a 1055T @ 3.5GHz with 8gb of ram.
Though i'd like to upgrade to an intel, it still works quite good. the ipc perf is still crappy though, that's my main interest, power consumption is the second.
she's been up 24/7 for 7 years now. psu died once already, i think the hdds or the video card are next
you guys are both right that your pcs held up suprisingly well but 8th gen is going to be the only big bump for another few years, so if youre not eyeballing 8th gen intel or ryzen then youre still good for another 3-4 years lol
Futureproofing? The only thing you can really even sort of futureproof is your case and PSU. As far as efficiency of PSU's it really doesn't get much better than they have already achieved. And as far as cases go, just pick with with good airflow, radiator support and sufficient drive mounts and whichever matches your aesthetic preference and you should be fine until you find a newer shinier thing that matches your liking enough to dump another $100 or so.
Love this video Linus. In 2015 I bought a Xeon1231 haswell for 250 because I wanted the HT, but I don't OC and I didn't care to spend an extra 100. I ended up buying 2 Radeon R9 280s on ebay for 150each. Great buy for used and running at 1440p haven't had any issues. I spent for a brand new system about 1200. But over time added an SSD. It really does depend on your budget and what your gonna use it for. I can probably use this system for another year or so. Until the next Gen video cards come out and make 4k more viable. and then ill only be upgrading the gpu's. Thanks for great info.
I spent a lot of money on my i7 920 build, and its stick kicking ass today. Of course upgraded the GPU from a 260 to SLI 260 to a 670 where I am now, and I have no problems at all. I'm glad I went top of the line when I did. However, it is on its last legs, about time to upgrade.
Futureproofing can only really apply to your Tower Case and PSU. Only to a certain extent. With computers, there's pretty much no such thing as futureproofing.
+woopygoman Definitely agree with psu, considering (at least EVGA idk about others) some have up to 10 years of warranty, that's a long time to upgrade/change your PC
Everything else can be future proof. Future proof doesn't mean forever. At least in my opinion future proofing is hardware that will last at least 3 years of high setting gaming.
+shayne whydoihavetohavealastnamegoogle? Futureproof = building something that will last as long as possible while also aiming for best bang for buck.
The most futureproofing parts in a computer are the case(except low-profile) and PSU.
And the optical drive is following me since my first build.
Rtx 2080 ti watching this after the 3000 series like:
🗿" I should of listened to him"
thanks for the video !!!
I've had my computer for about 5-6 years. At the time it was really good but just short of the i3 CPU and DDR3 ram which had very recently come out.
2 things I did make sure to get are 1 a strong PSU though that was mainly to prevent things from causing problems during a warm summer rather than requiring the power it's self. number 2 a motherboard with 2 Videocard slots and 4 ram slots, I never really cared about the 2nd videocard slot until the one I was using broke during an accident. I am however using all 4 ram slots because they are DDR2 I only have 8GB which is more than enough for my uses.
I can play most any PC game today though I haven't been pushing the graphics on them as I use to. Most recently I have been wanting to replace my tower but it's a fairly low priority.
future proofing is like being a hipster in the pc world
+THEREALTICKLEMYELMO not really. Not at all the same.
The video was released 5 minute ago. The video is 7 minutes. 45 Likes. Really people?
What's the problem?
+Supah Suppressd T'was a joke (: I love Linus lol
I know I'm late to the party by 2 years but:
Last ~2 minutes of the video was sponsor.
So I hit thumbs up at 5 minutes
This was actually very helpful cause I'm slowly looking at getting a computer but I want it to at least be capable of what I want it for (at the most taxing that would be emulators and, like, fallout 4 and crash and stuff on steam) but not so basic that it can't do much else. I did that with my last laptop, and it quickly wasn't enough but I still was stuck for 10 years with it lol. This actually was mega helpful cause even just today I was saying how I don't know what to get and even those 'build your own PC and we will ship it to you' walkthrough sites give lower, recommended, and high options and I was never sure if i should push the extra hundred here and there to get the better options. Sounds like recommended would be fine and even lower end okay as long as it fits what I need and I can upgrade later on.
From what I have seen in benchmarks is at least for the Intel side performance of processors has improved a very small amount over the past couple years. They just keep slapping more cores under the hood. Devils Canyon is at least for me playing new games pretty well. I still have yet to overclock even which I do plan on doing towards the end of the life of my PC.
IS IT JUST MY EYES?? OR WHY HIS FINGERS ARE YELLOW???
+Vignesh SR - Iodine, Linus consumes a lot of it because he thinks it has properties that will make him live forever... any other theories?
+Mustache Walrus He's Chinese.........
+Vignesh SR maybe he smokes a lot
Not just your eyes.
Faster ddr4 ram actually has an impact on performance w/a low end cpu now.
Although that combination probably isn't very common
agreed 2ghs ram should be a minimum for a current rig that you plan to pay AAA games on
I wonder what you mean by low end cpu. If you think about it, if your cpu can run DDR4, it isn't really LOW end.
makes sense only if you plan to upgrade over a 6 month+ period ( like I do)
say u already had a good case, psu, and decent gpu from your old system
then you buy a z170 mobo and oh no u have to get some ddr4 sticks and a new cpu to use it
might as well invest the exrta $50in the ram now and replace your i3 6xxx with an i5-i7 later *****
+vpie647 really
What parts can you recycle tho?
The case and the PSU, SSD, cpu cooler and ram sticks?
Then you only need to either buy extra of these if needed and upgrade cpu, gpu and the mobo?
Part of the reason I'm subscribed to this series is because of the creative us of stock images.
thats what i tell my customers but my rig is 3000 bucka
I never got a second GPU...
So my next build will be micro/mini itx. :P
Micro ATX. Mini ITX is actually more expensive
how so?
bench.eng ITX these days are built for expensive micro PCs. It has lots of extras
I just built an ITX gaming rig 2 weeks ago and the price was no different from a full size tower. So I dont know where you pulled that statement from.
The computer I built 3 years ago has been extremely future-proof in a few senses. I purchased a GTX 660, a core i5 3570k, and 16 GB of RAM. I overclocked it to 4 GHz with no problem and if that gets too slow, I'll likely be able to purchase an i7 CPU of the same socket. I just purchased a GTX 970 and sold the old GPU.
I think I built the computer at the "sweet spot" in tech development. The performance boost that newer CPUs had was slowing down; DDR 3 memory was just establishing itself as the new standard; PCI express 3 was fairly new and had years left in it. I expect to have this computer for at least another 3-5 years, though a CPU and/or GPU upgrade may occur in that time span.
Really good video.
Graphene CPUs as fast as possible
Those exist, or are you yanking my chain?
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+David Trollston #niceshirt
#NiceNirt
+. “Ziracha” #NICENIGGA
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#niceshirt is only for toxic content. This video ain't toxic.
Thank God you guys made this video. Too many people on the forums ask "will this system be future proof?" Ugh. No. Nothing is.
+Joe Pro forum must be full of captain obviously ppl like you
+Joe Pro True but you can sure as hell make a system that will last 5-6 years without needing an upgrade.
What I usually do is make sure to get a very good motherboard and CPU( I know people that are still running 5/6 year old CPU's that are still going very strong) , because you're less likely to be upgrading your mobo/cpu than your graphics card, and then every year or two upgrade your graphics card. ( What people wont tell you is that Intel has hit a wall with processor technology now and pretty much the best you're gonna get for a good few years now is going to be the 6600k/6700k.)
you could have bought an i5 4 years ago for about $250 and still be 'relevant' today
Bone Marrow Yep still strong CPU's. I have a first generation i7 920 D0 in one of my computers and its still a strong CPU.
Daiesthai I've got an old i7 960 and it's as fast as my fx 8350. definitely relevant. Took it from an old dell and built a gaming PC w/ my dad for my big brother for his birthday
specs:
Dell motherboard
i7 960
r9 270x
8 gigs ddr3 ram
1tb hdd
It's 2016... still rocking on an i5-3570(non-K)
Best platform I've ever thrown my money at! :)
For being Futureproof I bought a D-Wave ...
haha
+Janko Mudrak lol
Virtual ram pls ( no guys not downloadable ram)
Download virtual ram
+Bipolar- Bear
You must be talking about VRAM...which is not what you think it is
+MrHSX no, not video ram it uses your hard drive as ram
Msi's Z97 Xpower AC & the Core i7 4790K has been a good combo for me so far, both are decent components for OC.
It's been 3 years since i've assembled the build, i haven't wildly overclocked it yet, running @ 4.5 Ghz fixed on all cores.
A Corsair Hydro H110i GTX has a decent cooling capability, 25° C idle, 65° C on heavy load.
It has 16 Gigs of DDR 3 RAM 2400 Mhz in dual channel but that's not obsolete yet either.
I have 2 Msi GTX cards running, 960 Gaming 4G and a 1080 Gaming X.
An 850W 80+ Gold PSU provides the power. It's all overkill but it's fun to play with...
I bought the 1080 recently for 600€ during the cryptocurrency mining rage, waited several weeks for it due to the global shortage.
I hope i can use this PC beast for at least 7 years, so that's another 4 years to go...
We'll see which component dies first, i don't care if it's the cooler or a fan...
My GPU is due for an upgrade so I am waiting for the GTX 1070/80 and depending on how much I have at the time get the appropriate. I'm debating on getting the 1080 just so I can play Vive on racing games and such without having to risk lowering AA or the texture settings.
Also my Mobo was one of the first ones with SATA express and M.2 but the M.2 NVMe drives are still really expensive
Let's be real, you won't buy second card.
Yup.. this was me a few years ago
your looking a little yellow dude... hope its just the lighting...
Futureproofing does work sometimes. I went out of my budget to buy a 45nm core2 quad (q9300) back when everyone was getting core2 duos and while all those people had to replace their whole computers by now, I just had to replace my graphics.
bought 3930K 3 and a half years ago, running it OCed @4.7 GHz now, it is still more than enough for most of what i have. Also my PSU is 8 years old now, and if nothing will change soon, i bet i will use it even more. Also there isn't much difference between DDR3 and DDR4 (higher frequency means also higher timings, so in tests it may look better, in reality - even DDR3 1600 MHz quad channel won't bottleneck your system). The only thing i change in my rig is GCs and SSDs. Also tried to use Intel SSD750, and with some BIOS settings and updates i was able to use it @ PCIe 3.0 speeds, and AFAIK it should be bootable even on my system.
Instead of dropping 4k on a single pc, its better to just spend about $1000 on a new pc every 3-4 years.
i think $1200-1300 is the sweet spot.
+Bishr Arar Yep pretty much the high end gaming sweet spot is 1300-1500USD
+Bishr Arar I have spent around €2000 on my PC over the course of 4 years. I usually like to calculate the price per year compared to performance of a component for the expected use of it.
For example, I bought a motherboard that was around €125. At the time it was expensive, but over the course of 4 years (and I expect to use it for another year or two) it comes down to a rather manageable price of around €25/year (over 5 years) and allows me to easily manage things like oc of cpu and gives me the expansion I desire.
I also just bought a new GPU (my old one was a GT640 that I bought for €80) that cost me €250 and I plan on using it for around 4 years, so roughly €50/year. I am going for an R9 380x. I was also considering a 390x, but at nearly €500, it would be pretty costly (almost €100/year) compared to the actual gain in performance.
This! Dont wast money!
***** Oh no when I said 1500USD thats for a high end gaming computer.
Is the enthoo luxe a good future proof case?
Ha, I still have a first generation i7 920 cpu.
Only stuff I had to upgrade so far was my video card two times and my RAM.
Also bought a SSD.
I do plan to upgrade the motherboard and cpu in the near future
future proofing is about upgrade paths. it's why i have x99. if i run out of cores or performance, i have a whole range of processors above mine i can pick up further down the road, from the upcoming 10 core broadwell e all the way up to the upcoming 22 core broadwell e5-2699 v4. along with ddr4 and enough pcie lanes to fix whatever lack of connectivity there might be via add in card. you can't future proof a graphics card, but you can future proof a platform.
AGREED!! The ONLY thing I future proof is a large case with lots of room and a power supply that is more than I need. I have a ten year warranty on my Gold rated power supply from six years ago, three computers later and I'm still using it.
I once tried to buy futureproofing computer. Well, it fell short quickly. But I still used it for eight years to stretch the per-year cost. And after that, I sort of acquired a habit to use a computer for a long time( relatively speaking, of course). My current desktop PC is a very cheap one. But I still managed to use it for about 6 years now.
He really helped me with this video realistically.
question? is there a program you guys use to monitor your cpu and temp and if so what is it name?
Are external Gpus for laptops good future proofing devices?
this is part of the reason why i wanted a server grade board with 2 5960xs and multiple highend videocards etc plus water cooling
I can only afford or at least am comfortable buying a 1060 6 gb (with my little to no budget) but am itching to get a 1070 instead just to cover a bit more bases in the following years.
Am I making the right decision?
well said..tnx for advice :)
I future proofed by getting an z97 with an i5 4690k so I can upgrade to an i7 once it will be needed, motherbord also had support for crossfire and sli
the only thing I will do once my System gets a bit slower in games is buying a New gpu
Still running an fx8350 and an R9 280x at 1440p absolutely fine. Another point is whether or not you want to be constantly running games on max settings or if you're okay turning them down on newer games as your system gets older. I basically run the majority of games on high now but I'm fine with that, and will probably just stick with what I have until I absolutely can't maintain 60fps at 1440p. (Some games are obviously exceptions)
+AIMIWA95 Mee too, I have a FX 6300 at 4,1 Ghz and a 280x. I wanted to buy a better motherboard to oc my cpu further, but now I am waiting on Zen :D BTW almost all games I own like Dirt Rally run with 60 fps at the almost highest settings, so I have no real need to upgrade my PC
how about for laptops? is buying the best good?
speaking of that what is the best performing TIM solution for a cpu
Ok, so I'm in the middle of saving up for my next build. I've got a Fractal Design Define R5 case. My plan is to get a 5930K, so that I have six cores, 32GB of RAM (since recommended requirements for games have now hit 16GB with the new Mirror's Edge, so might as well double that) and at least two 980 Tis, assuming that I can't justify spending the extra to get the 1080s. I plan on getting a 27" 1440p Gsync monitor and am going to be getting the Vive and Rift.
How is this NOT futureproofing? I went three years with a 2600K, 16GB RAM and two 560 Ti's (that were later upgraded to a single 770)
I'm pretty sure I have got my money worth of stuff out of the hardware I bought over 4 years ago. i7 990X on a Rampage III still works and the extended warranty already saved my ass once. Yes it was a couple grand when bought, but I don't find the need to upgrade them. I have switched graphics cards once and upgraded the RAM over time, but that was it and I find myself within the top part of the VR capable computers. As much as I love playing with new stuff older hardware still works perfectly fine. Used servers are super cheap and the couple kwh in difference rarely matters with power getting cheaper the more you use. Dropping a couple grand on a new rig every six or seven years makes more sense to me than trying to trade hardware all the time.
I currently still use my Radeon 7870 and I have yet to come across a modern game that it can't handle on high, I just started looking around for components for a new build so I can get an idea of what I want once graphics card prices are less than 200% MSRP, but I mostly want a better cpu and major cooling, storage, and I/O upgrades (I want display port, USB 3 & C, and upgraded HDMI). Until I am ready to spend the money on VR I don't really need a gpu upgrade until my current one can't keep up
I've been saving for q laptop and this has been a real concern for me, I wanna to the origin eon17slx, just the basic model, they say it's like a desktop, very customizable, is that part true, can I upgtlrade everything? even the graphic card?
I did only focus on future profing when i did chose my case and cpu cooler that will most likely allweys work with all my other hardwere upgading
I've had a i9 9900k and rtx 2080 for only a year and I'm gonna build a new pc this year anyway for the new nvidia drop (RTX 3090) the jump seems too big not to upgrade
This is more relevant than ever. Apple Silicon shaking the game, TSMC and IBM racing for 2 nm architectures, Intel's uncertain position, chip shortages everywhere... Don't worry about having the latest and greatest. Don't worry about a big desktop transition to ARM yet. Cloud / streaming software and subscription models have the potential to affect our experience more than hardware. Right to repair getting traction is something to pay attention to and something to support right now. Being informed about developments in privacy and the actual reach of user tracking technologies is also really important.
I've an i5 2500k doing 4.5 from 5 years and 2 months now, and a CM 850w for sli but from 560ti i got the 760 and never got money for 2 gpus even thou who would sli a 760 ? :D single 970 or 980ti way better.