So when a client signs up a surveyor to perform a survey of their property, do they pay the entire cost up front or does the surveyor bill them based on total time involved?
Well this situation would only take place in the most rural of places. Yes, some of the old deed descriptions are very vague. They might even refer to some type of tree as being a corner of the property and years later the tree no longer exists. But slowly these things have been being improved upon. And with modern day GPS survey equipment the process is much easier. Assuming of coarse there is a base point to start from.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure what you mean by "this situation", but the video is about a common issue to states that are surveyed with the Public Lands Survey System (PLSS). This created rectangular sections. This is all of Oklahoma including metro areas. Once the metes and bounds descriptions are created by subdividing the parent sections, then following those descriptions can be less work as I explained, but aliquot tracts of land are everywhere and not limited to the most rural of places. In my limited experience (21+ years) the deeds around here rarely specify the physical corner monument. As you mentioned things have been improving and we have been describing monument in our descriptions more often and you are correct, GPS does make most survey processes easier!
Well done. The C/4 isn’t always positioned by intersecting opposing quarter corners. Sometimes there is local evidence of a position that will differ from the calculated C/4. However most clients have no clue about aliquot descriptions. 👍👍
Thanks for the comment. "More or less" refers to the acreage. In the hierarchy of priorities, acreage is pretty low. What is most important is original boundary markers. If they are found and measured, the acreage is what it is. That statement is needed on deeds to prevent lawsuits over acreage. Oklahoma and many places in the Public Lands Survey System started out by attempting to survey 1 mile squares (mostly). The acreage was intended to be 640 acres per section. Well, when you go measure it again, the original markers do not measure exactly 5280 feet. So, until a survey is done, any pieces that are aliquot in that section have a "more or less" acreage. Hope this helps.
Yeah I have a neighbor still crying about acres, at least that's what it seems. There's some vagueness and ambiguity in both legal descriptions, but the intent is clear IMHO. I have 2 acres more or less, and lucky me it's more. I don't know if he's going to push the issue but he keeps saying things so I guess time will tell. It's a waste of his time and money if he pursues it, every single important item is in my favor except the number of acres, so good luck on that I say.
My county data website says my property is 3.33 acres, but every single GIS application I look at, including my state’s (Arkansas) official GIS site, all show my property to be 5.30 acres. It wouldn’t matter much but the discrepancy is at the back of the property, which is a wood line leading to a large field owned by someone else. I would love to know if I actually own 2 full acres of woods behind me so I can use them without reproach and put small trails on them, squirrel hunt, etc. In your experience would this be something I should rely on a surveyor for? If I can find the 4 corners myself and they are all still in place, would the cost of a survey be less, or would I even need a survey if I could prove my property was erroneously measured?
Hey Chris. Any discrepancy with acreage would be revealed by having a survey completed. County assessor data is derived many times (not always) from minimum wage employees who are given minimum training and tasked with platting legal descriptions (some of which are impossible to plat or ambiguous) to come up with an acreage for assessment. I see discrepancies all the time. A surveyor can help determine your acreage and boundary. Trails sound fun! Good luck!
Thank you for this, sir! I am graduating this year with my surveying course and I don't know where I could get the equipments to start my career since I need to save funds first, which would take me a long time since the equipments are quite expensive. I would absolutely appreciate it if you could help with donations. I hope you get more subscribers soon!
Where I am from, it is illegal to practice land boundary surveying without a license. Most USA states have that law. Even if I had the equipment, I would first need to file my application and take the exams. Usually there is a statutory period of time you must gain experience. While you work under a licensed surveyor, you get to use their equipment. Once you are getting close to being able to legally survey you might get in touch with some survey companies that have been around a long time and check for old equipment that still works. Hope this helps.
Very well explained . Thank you.😊
I appreciate the feedback.
Nice description. It all works well until the corners aren't in.
Good definition, makes sense and is beginning to give me insight.
Thanks for the comment. If you have any questions, please ask.
So when a client signs up a surveyor to perform a survey of their property, do they pay the entire cost up front or does the surveyor bill them based on total time involved?
Well this situation would only take place in the most rural of places.
Yes, some of the old deed descriptions are very vague.
They might even refer to some type of tree as being a corner of the property and years later the tree no longer exists.
But slowly these things have been being improved upon.
And with modern day GPS survey equipment the process is much easier.
Assuming of coarse there is a base point to start from.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure what you mean by "this situation", but the video is about a common issue to states that are surveyed with the Public Lands Survey System (PLSS). This created rectangular sections. This is all of Oklahoma including metro areas. Once the metes and bounds descriptions are created by subdividing the parent sections, then following those descriptions can be less work as I explained, but aliquot tracts of land are everywhere and not limited to the most rural of places. In my limited experience (21+ years) the deeds around here rarely specify the physical corner monument. As you mentioned things have been improving and we have been describing monument in our descriptions more often and you are correct, GPS does make most survey processes easier!
Well done. The C/4 isn’t always positioned by intersecting opposing quarter corners. Sometimes there is local evidence of a position that will differ from the calculated C/4. However most clients have no clue about aliquot descriptions. 👍👍
Correct. That detail is unnecessary to make my point here. I made this video to send to clients and realtors when doing estimates.
Great video...yeah my property description includes "More or Less"...what does a surveyor do in that situation?
Thanks for the comment. "More or less" refers to the acreage. In the hierarchy of priorities, acreage is pretty low. What is most important is original boundary markers. If they are found and measured, the acreage is what it is. That statement is needed on deeds to prevent lawsuits over acreage.
Oklahoma and many places in the Public Lands Survey System started out by attempting to survey 1 mile squares (mostly). The acreage was intended to be 640 acres per section. Well, when you go measure it again, the original markers do not measure exactly 5280 feet. So, until a survey is done, any pieces that are aliquot in that section have a "more or less" acreage. Hope this helps.
Yeah I have a neighbor still crying about acres, at least that's what it seems. There's some vagueness and ambiguity in both legal descriptions, but the intent is clear IMHO. I have 2 acres more or less, and lucky me it's more. I don't know if he's going to push the issue but he keeps saying things so I guess time will tell. It's a waste of his time and money if he pursues it, every single important item is in my favor except the number of acres, so good luck on that I say.
My county data website says my property is 3.33 acres, but every single GIS application I look at, including my state’s (Arkansas) official GIS site, all show my property to be 5.30 acres. It wouldn’t matter much but the discrepancy is at the back of the property, which is a wood line leading to a large field owned by someone else. I would love to know if I actually own 2 full acres of woods behind me so I can use them without reproach and put small trails on them, squirrel hunt, etc.
In your experience would this be something I should rely on a surveyor for? If I can find the 4 corners myself and they are all still in place, would the cost of a survey be less, or would I even need a survey if I could prove my property was erroneously measured?
Hey Chris. Any discrepancy with acreage would be revealed by having a survey completed. County assessor data is derived many times (not always) from minimum wage employees who are given minimum training and tasked with platting legal descriptions (some of which are impossible to plat or ambiguous) to come up with an acreage for assessment. I see discrepancies all the time. A surveyor can help determine your acreage and boundary. Trails sound fun! Good luck!
Good information, and very good explanation!
Thanks
This was really useful for me. Thank you!
I'm so glad!
Your photo looks a lot like southeast Oklahoma. I am licensed in Oklahoma living in Broken Arrow
Yes, Mr. Schroeder. I’m in Poteau. I’ve been to some of your classes at the conventions. Thanks.
Thank you for this, sir! I am graduating this year with my surveying course and I don't know where I could get the equipments to start my career since I need to save funds first, which would take me a long time since the equipments are quite expensive. I would absolutely appreciate it if you could help with donations. I hope you get more subscribers soon!
Where I am from, it is illegal to practice land boundary surveying without a license. Most USA states have that law. Even if I had the equipment, I would first need to file my application and take the exams. Usually there is a statutory period of time you must gain experience. While you work under a licensed surveyor, you get to use their equipment. Once you are getting close to being able to legally survey you might get in touch with some survey companies that have been around a long time and check for old equipment that still works. Hope this helps.
@@lloydlandsurveying8124Damn, some people. Hey by the way if you have a 5lb bag of money, I sure could use half ok? 🤣
Happy trails, Rick. 🇺🇸