NOTE: S/Y Bayesian does not have a vertical lifting dagger board with the ballast bulb on like in the video clips. This is just to illustrate how a lifting keel operates.
@@LibraryComputer-s8i It has a moving (lifting) keel but the design differs from the example shown in the video. Instead of lifting vertically it pivots.
Agree. Captain is responsible for the safety of his passengers. It sounds like this happened SO fast and was SO disorienting that it will be disingenuous to reflect critically on his actions with hindsight.
When things go wrong on the water they go wrong very very quickly. I fell overboard once when a safety line gave way and ripped through my hand as I tumbled into the drink in seconds. Through pure luck the skipper had just ordered a personnel check and I was declared missing, MOB and luckily spotted in the distance and rescued. God bless those who perished in what must have been a terrifying final few minutes and rest in peace all those for whom the sea takes forever 🙏🏽
As a former professional charter skipper my take is that the crew and skipper sensed the weather and went on deck to check everything was OK. None of the crew would have expected the situation to develop as seriously and rapidly as it did particularly given the size of the vessel. By the time they realised that the boat was being overwhelmed the ability to perform an orderly muster or even reach the alarm would have passed and they would have been sliding down the open decks into the sea or scrambling up onto the top of the hull hoping the liferafts would automatically launch and inflate. The psychological shock of the rapidly developing and unexpected situation would potentially incapacitate the crew and make coherent response to the situation next to impossible. The warm sea meant the survivors wouldn't enter physiological cold shock - which is why nearly all of them made it to the liferaft. I agree with the surveyor and suspect that, at anchor on a hot evening, hatches etc may well have been open - even if they were marked as "not to be open at sea". In my experience being "at sea" is interpreted as being under way, not at anchor. If open, these openings could potentially dramatically reduce the vessels downflooding angle. With the lifting keel* up and huge windage and high centre of gravity (roller headsails and main add weight up high), she would quickly be knocked down past her downflooding angle and from that point on she wouldn't be able to recover as the free surface effect of the incoming water pinned her down. *edited to the correct term for the keel type
@pauld3327 l think that you mean "shouldn't it be down?" ... which is a fair point! Maybe they were afraid of swinging into shallows while at anchor, but l expect that this is unlikely!
Exactly. Plus its not 'just' a gale. Tornado wind speeds reach in excess of 250mph. Enough to carry people away. Apparently the rig didn't collapse. But A dangling line would flog like a bullwhip. Enough to knock one unconscious. Intense water spray. The crew would be effectively blind until the spout passes. She was probably already capsized past 90º and downloading.
One possible reason why the crew survived could be that they where awake and securing stuff because of the bad weather, while most of the guests where in their cabins.
I concur with Paul Anstey's theory of what happened. He is a well respected expert and surveyor. The ballasted keel, in the retracted position, greatly raises the CG of the vessel and would make it very tender (tippy). Given the windage and height of the mast and the house, a severe gust of wind on the beam could put the vessel over on her beam ends. Typically, on a nice summer night, deck hatches and salon doors might be open and water would flood in. The guest accommodation is usually down and aft in these yachts so anyone trying to get out would be fighting a huge flow of water. I believe it happened so quickly anyone still in their staterooms would have no time to get out. It would be difficult for Guests on the leeward side (lower) to climb to their doors, those on the windward (higher) side would have difficulty opening their doors. I doubt whether it took more than a few minutes for this to happen. As to the reasons the crew were mostly able to get out. Having worked on large yachts for many years including sailing yachts, my belief is the crew were already on deck and working to deal with the situation. There would have been a crew member on watch all night and he/she would have raised the warning of weather to the Captain. The crew were likely already up to deal with the situation in case of dragging anchor, heavy winds, awnings tearing, cushions blowing away etc.. When a heavy squall happens in the middle of the night, the Captain and crew try to deal with it without disturbing or alarming the guests. This is likely what they thought was happening and why the fatalities are mostly guests. I believe the yacht was hit by an unprecedented super gust and it capsized and down flooded before anyone could do anything to help those trapped below. The crew would have been unable to access the guest area to rouse them in time to save them. A terrible tragedy. My heart and condolences go out to all those lost and injured and their loved ones.
No way any hatches doors left open as its air conditioned however the saloon doors are large electrically operated sliding ones and once heeled over too far one half would definitely slide open on its own. We used to have problems with them sailing and need to dog them closed. Ex perini engineer.
Bayesian also has in-mast furling…which, with the mainsail furled in the mast, puts a lot of weight up high..With the keel up and main furled, a hit from a microburst could knock it down very quickly
I was on a yacht that dragged anchor,hit rocks. Opened up the hull and nearly sank in less than 15 minutes. We got the guests into a tender, captain called a mayday and started emergency pumps. This was at the north end of Vancouver island at 2 am in high winds and a rip tide. Canadian Coast guard rescued us form the shore several hours later. They brought in a salvage boat with pumps and saved the yacht. They towed us to a resort island 30 km away. The rocks we hit were not charted. I was the Chef. The yacht was the 1929 MV/ OLYMPUS.
Wait a tick your story doesn't add up I'm sorry you dragged an anchor that hit rocks and opened up a hole in the hull, seriously it was that shallow my friend whoever captained the boat was incompetent!
Most of the guests were sleeping and most likely the crew was woken up by the captain for the bad weather. As the crew was getting prepared the ship just listed and sunk. The crew knew the ship and what chances of survival they had. The captain probably feels guilty on not waking up the guests to inform them on the bad weather therefore he just kept the crew informed. The cook probably wanted to save the others but didn't get out in time. To make it simple, the crew had just enough time and experience to save themselves. If you were one of them would you do the same?
Don’t be so sure about it !! With that magnitude there is a lot’s involved behind the scenes! If they don’t find anyone on board under water in such a short swift time of inspection that also rases an eyebrow!
Accuracy is of the utmost importance to this channel. As a sailor, I appreciate the length he goes to give the best knowledge available. It’s so easy for ignorant people to criticize.
I don’t think there’s any problem with the crew surviving in this situation. This vessel sank within a few seconds. There was obviously no time to go to cabin and get people up and out. What I do fault is the failure to have someone on watch and someone listening to weather radio for alerts. The windage created by the mass of that high with all the ringing is enormous . Are used to own a 43 foot ocean going sailboat and I can tell you that we were once in a dark and got hit with about a 50 or 60 mile an hour wind we were tied up to floating docks and the windage of our mass, which was about 60 feet tall, gave us a list of about 10 to 15°. That’s a situation with no no canvas on and tied up and still we pulled the floating docks with us well considering that we weigh 20,000 pounds we had some leverage over the pier . To give you another example when my children are young, I once sent my daughter who loved to climb and was extremely skillful in Bosen’s chair on my 28 foot sailboat up the mast, which was probably about 35 feet and she weighed all of 60 pounds but her 60 pounds at the top of the mast, she was able to rock our 4 ton boat from side to side so that’s just a simple example when you get a mass it’s 200 and some feet tall and a burst of wind that might’ve been 70 or 80 miles an hour or greater and the keel is in the opposition it’s all over
I agree with you. Someone on watch should have monitored weather reports and done some preparation, like lowering the keel, activating the seakeepers, close all hatches and portholes and having a short safety chat with all guests and giving them the option of remaining in the salon to ride out the storm instead of going below decks.
How horrible it must have felt for these Passengers to be trapped like this in the dark and know' it's all over! Sicily, Sardinia... well, as you say, I saw the map and understood perfectly well the whereabouts of that Yacht! Thank you for the update!
Thank you at last, a sensible logical look at what might have happened. It’s a shame the mainstream media can’t report things in the same educated way!
The mother of the one year old has done an interview. She was in the water and pulled into the life raft. She described keeping the baby's head above water. It wasn't like people stepped off the yacht onto the life raft. One report described it as deploying automatically and survivors climbed onto the raft.
I believe I heard reported that she and her baby were sleeping on deck area. Her husband was on deck area but in different location. I don't know if that's true or not but it might explain how they ended up in the water and not trapped inside. Scary.
Yes, the life rafts are designed to deploy automatically. I don't know for certain, but the pictures I've seen of the _Bayesian_ seem to be that there were two life rafts aft and two fore. I believe four life rafts is the minimum standard for chartered superyachts.
@@grondheroYes and No. The rule specifies the total required liferaft capacity but doesn't specify whether that is split between 5 or 6 rafts or is all in just a single one.
Your video was very informative and professional. Ignore the criticism honestly. Very good video that explained everything in detail. And you're a very likeable person. Thank you so much.
Having crewed on a Perini Navi my initial thought when I heard about this accident was exactly what your expert has described. I doubt the centreboard would have been down, we only ever lowered ours when sailing close hauled. Definitely not at anchor as it would move from side to side slightly which was enough to send vibrations through the boat. We even used to sail with the centrboard up unless the wind was hard on the nose. So almost never because in a boat that size with guests who want to relax, you don't want to have people, objects and gin and tonics flying about the place as she heels over.
At several yards I have worked on yachts with lifting keels. The purpose was to be able to navigate in shallow waters or harbors. If it did not have a lifting possibility it would be designed like the lowered position. The pivot design seems to be done to avoid any obstruction in the interior. I would say normal procedure is keel down.
A lifting keel is not the same as a centreboard. A centreboard yacht has most of the ballast in the bottom of the hull, a lifting keel has most of the ballast in the keel itself.
question: would a big boat like this not have emergency exit lights with independent batteries?... something to indicate the way out in situations where the power goes?
My dad was on a destroyer in WW2 They were caught in a typhoon at sea in the far East. He said it was the most frightening thing of his life and he had nightmares over it. They kept steaming into the huge waves the props at the back were racing. The Chief eng said they were done for if the engines failed and went broadside on. They had a day and a bit of it. HMS Relentless. Wind can cause a lot of problems. My thoughts are with the missing people.
They need to get some real salvage divers on scene with surface supplied breathing medium and communications and a surface decompression chamber. Scuba at that depth puts the firemen at risk. Get professionals involved. I think the parties involved can afford it!
I've been in a similar weather event in the Gulf of Mexico during pipe-lay operations at night. Literally out of nowhere, sudden winds of at least 10 Bf hit us that lasted just minutes and listed the 275 m long vessel approximately 30 degrees. After it passed, the weather returned to calm like nothing ever happened.
Some important notes about this yacht: 1. This yacht has a centre board, and DOES NOT have a weighted keel as reported both here and in news media. Although a lowered centre board would assist somewhat in keeping the yacht momentarily upright, it has far less influence than a weighted bulb keel. 2. All people who were sadly trapped on board were likely in guest cabins. If you see the Bayesian deck layouts, the guests cabins are below the bridge and therefore share the same compartment. The bridge/saloon level is the most vulnerable in terms of water ingress due to the large saloon and bridge doors. Water could then easily make its way to the guest cabins. 3. Crew cabins are forward of the bridge compartment, which could suggest why they were able to escape. IMO the yacht was caught beam-on to an incredible amount of wind, pinning her on her side long enough for 1 or 2 compartments to fill with water, causing her to sink. No one will know what truly happened until the investigation is complete. Thoughts with those who perished.
You'll have to tell us where you get your information from. Especially bullet No. 1. I have never heard of, nor could I even conceive of, a 184 foot long sail vessel with a 245' mast that "does not have a weighted keel, but only a centerboard." That sounds impossible to me. Perini Navi would be so far out on a limb if what you say is true, is true. OTOH, f you said Bayesian had a keel with an encased, slotted centerboard, that I have seen, sailed on and am familiar with. Please enlighten us.
I completely agree with your comment on how difficult it can be to find your way around inside a vessel. When I was in the Carlton Queen in Egypt when it capsized, finding my way out required lots of concentration, not to mention the difficulty to exit a cabin when its door is now at the ceiling! I can also well imagine, the incident happening at night, that the guests were most probably sleeping, which certainly adds to the difficulty in helping yourself out, if you are not directly injured when falling from your berth. If it happen so quickly, I can imagine that no one have the time to help out. Sad news.
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I assume the vessel will be salvaged and it needs to be really to recover the deceased and to find out how it sank so quickly. They would with a aircraft for sure. It’s very sad, I wonder why the keel would be up when in such deep water but it may have been the practice of the crew to do this. It still amazes me how quickly it went down when you would imagine there were numerous areas which would trap air etc slowing down the process. Rip to those lost. Andy UK
There are several reasons the keel might be up. Deep bulb keels combined with wide high performance hulls have so much righting moment that they 'snap' the boat upright after every swell at anchor. Raising the keel produces a much more comfortable motion when one is 'safely' at anchor or just motoring. The same high performance hull and keel also notoriously hunt and sail constantly at anchor, even with no sail up. Annoying and uncomfortable. A narrow fin and bulb like that can occasionally wrap the anchor rode during tide shifts. Extremely vexing.
@@AndyUK-Corrival certainly Italian authorities and the British Marine Accident Investigation Branch will be investigating the cause of the loss of life.
@@AndyUK-Corrival As to replies, to highlight that it did not have a ‘LIFTING KEEL’ but a ‘SWING KEEL’. It therefore should have had maximum ‘righting ability’ at the time. Further to the swing keel, it would not have been swung to one side, as it would have made the yacht have a permanent ‘tilt’ while at anchor.
yes it should not have sunk so quickly, i imgane v watertight hatches were open maybe 4 ventialtion or ;ease;, she was moored but on an exposed coast so should hve been as preped 4 sea state. im hopn air pockets may hve saved some?, unlikely though. also im intrested in wat v moving keel did whn she capsised n sunk, was it 'secured', or did it move n cause mre damge n whn n 2 wat extent, hvng that amount of solid weight movable on a vessel is unwise in my opinion.
Another thing i’d add on the stability issues is the yacht had a significant deckhouse and appeared to have an additional hardtop forward of the cabin. On smaller yachts in the caribbean, hard tops caught wind and capsized boats - surprisingly even heavy displacement 18-20m sailing yachts with significant ballast. If the yacht had been hit by a tornado, these under hardtop areas would have contributed to capsizing maybe even more so than the mast.
I saw an account of a storm in the Caribbean where a wave caused the entire deckhouse to be shifted sideways something like 100 mm causing water to be shipped very fast. Fortunately the crew were able to get every single piece of cloth or cushion on board and block the hole.
There saying hatches and doors left open due too the heat? I’ve worked on super yachts, they all have air conditioning, Engineers always keep everything closed to stop the compressors having to work overtime
But there are guests on the boat. They don't want to be inside an air conditioned bubble, that's what they do every day of their lives. They want that Mediterranean breeze.
yeah i did wonder about that v ac. im guesn ver not woried bout co2 poisioning as she would b airtight i imgaine. pasengers r not crew n some people will do wat vey want due 2 ignorance etc.wel find out whn she is salvaged, or inspected on v seafloor.
@@richtensail the yacht is fully air conditioned throughout..the air conditioning systems are require to have a large amount of of fresh air makeup to keep the air in the boat fresh and CO2 levels normal.
Sail or power? On sailing vessels to run AC you have to start up a generator. Some sailors would prefer not to hear them at night, just run on batteries. Thus open doors and hatches.
The “upside down” scenario you described reminded me of the “Dilbert Dunker” at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. It simulates a single seat aircraft ditching and rolling upside down in water. Highly disorienting device. Pilots are trained to overcome the orientation issue by simply following their left arm…release the canopy and follow your left arm to the surface (for those that remember the 80’s movie An Officer and a Gentleman, this exact device was used in the movie). The victims of this yacht sinking had little to no chance…half awake…upside down. What a nightmare.
All offshore oil workers and helicopter crew for companies like Bristows have to do cold water full survival suit ditch training in a helicopter cabin mock up that does an inversion as it goes into the tank on a robot arm . You cannot start to get out till the waters stopped rushing in. A young lady acting as a steward on her first job was lucky to survive . The full rundown is featured in Channel 4news or Sky .. The mother of the infant, the infant and the father have all been discharged from hospital.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 I watch a silly & fun RUclips channel called Cleetus McFarland. Cleetus is dead serious when it comes to owning and operating aircraft. He just took his crew to the type of helicopter simulator you described, very scary. 👍
As a Yacht Captain of 24 years experience and previously an oilfield saturation diver for 12 years..I have to say I’m surprised the divers are trying to do this job with scuba gear..They need to be using surface supplied mixed gas equipment, and a proper dive support ship, with a mixed gas diving system on board. The bottom time using scuba, makes the recovery job , difficult, dangerous and long.
Those are videos that were shared the first day of operation. I don't think it's far fetched the rescue operations were still scrambling to get a proper scuba operation underway, with a a scuba support vessel on the site
With the yacht healed over companion ways (hall ways) are now 3-4 foot high instead of maybe 7 foot high and anything in the hall way is now in a pile on the low side making it even worse. Doors can be jammed shut with furniture and open only in strange directions. My condolences to the families of the people lost in this tragedy.
Some guests probably went to bed late, it's not unusual for crew to be active at that hour, stewardesses cleaning up, there should be an anchor watch from deck etc
@@willspeed6804No guests were up at 5am,the weather was very hot,people tend to sleep up on deck in that kind of weather. Also as the storm hit quite suddenly the crew would probably be up to start to rig the boat for weather.
"Hatches and ports open." This is what sinks vessels when on their beam ends. As large as these yachts are, they are not designed for ultimate weather conditions. They have huge openings and wide apartment style staircases.
"Not designed for ultimate weather conditions"? That seems like a major design flaw, especially for a vessel designed for entertaining guests on. I wonder if their host welcomed them aboard by explaining "If there's a storm you will die. But my chef makes great spaghetti"
Down flooding angles are closely controlled and regulated, as is the 'limit of vanishing stability', from GM-GZ curve. Sailing vessels are conventionally designed with knockdowns taken into account. Hull form ensures that at 90 degrees deck openings are substantially clear of the water
Code after the MGM Hotel fire in Reno requires self-powered floor level exit signage like in airplanes. In that tragedy the exit passage filled with smoke and people could not find their way to exit. A tragic lesson regarding disorientation, obviously compounding the obstacles of an inverted completely jet black dark massively flooding chaos for these fit relatively young people (I'm a 74 y/o architect on a Catalina 38). So sad. This story inspires me to install emergency lighting along the sole with arrows to exit in my boat immediately and making sure everything in the cabin is stowed or tied down in place somehow, cushions and all. I shudder to think of all the crap laying about my boat. I am so grateful for everyone's comments here, especially about the basic design of such a huge Bermuda rig with all those fancy instruments and multiple heavy roller reefing jibs up high, her massive main rolled into the mast. Swing or lift keels on such a rig so dependent on righting moment (aggravated by such excessive scale) clearly must never be designed again. a death trap... except maybe in a little Catalina 22, perfect for camping. My grief for these poor terrified souls is heartfelt. We must learn to correct these basic design errors and save future lives.
One of the largest sailing ships ever built, the Preußen, had a length of 149mm and the highest mast was 68m. This jacht was 56m long, just over 1/3 of the Preußen, but its mast was 75m. Let sink in the difference. In my opinion this is madness. The fact that we have technology to manage sails exceeding a area of 500m² to 1000m² in good conditions does not mean we should. The forces generated in bad conditions are extreme, so any unforeseen condition has the potential of creating a disaster. The reason that the large sailing ships of the 19th century and early 20th century had many smaller sails was to make the sails manageable for the crew. In my view that should still be a consideration for jacht design: two masts of a reasonable height, sail area divided over a number of sails. That will reduce the risks of foul weather for boat an crew.
I've experienced LOTS of waterspouts (I sailed in the midst 12 of them at once) and they are not "tornados on the water". Yes, they are spiral funnel clouds but they are far less energetic. One might sink a boat if it dumped it's water load into the companionway and filled the boat up. A lightning strike to an improperly grounded mast leaves a line of perforations in a perfect sinusoidal pattern where the wave tops contacted the hull for that microsecond instant that the charge was going to ground. There are all sorts of holes (it's the neatest thing to see) and it leaves your boat hull a collander but the holes are small and you have time to get off safely. What nobody is mentioning is the Microburst. I've only encountered one in sixty years of racing sail boats and it was ferocious. They are created in violent fronts but you can't really see them. 120 MPH winds from straight above in a violent downdraft would flatten a bare pole mast like that against the surface of the water. If the design does not push the companionway up in the air away from the water when it is on it's side, the hull will fill up in seconds and the boat goes down like a stone. It is a rare but deadly phenomenon. I knew two racing sailors who died in one. I remember the description of one ( by Buddy Melges, I think) that hit a major regatta in the US and destroyed a lot of it. He said "it was like a giant cat's paw from above landed on everyone." Microbursts are still a myterious phenomenon, related to tornados. They even crash commercial airliners from time to time.
I think people also forget that when there are such super localised weather effects (water spouts or microbursts), nearby boats may get "missed" plus on a boat this size the pressure whether from wind or water on the bow or one beam could be very different than say towards the sterm. A yacht will therefore not react in the same way as being hit by a large wave or constant wind and therefore may not right until the specific waterspout etc has passed over.
@Peter: non sailor here reading comments on this video for over an hour and your comment highlighting the devastation of the microburst is by far one of the most meaningful ones I've read so far. Thank you for sharing.
I am a past yachtsman and I can tell you two things. First of all as the tallest Bermuda sloop in the world possibly, it has an excessively tall mast and a yacht that size should be a ketch with two shorter masts, with a much reduced turning moment on the hull. Secondly, in the lovely Sicilian evening temperature all the hatches and doors would’ve been left open during the night so water can pour in . That boat is unsinkable if the hatches are closed.
@@dnicholsoncole I crewed on a sister-ship last year and I was fortunate enough to be given a guest cabin for the Atlantic crossing. I do not believe the hatches and doors were open that night or were the cause. It was 5am, besides the watch keeper everybody would have been sleeping. All the guest and crew cabins are on a lower deck and are mechanically ventilated. That means air conditioning. The port holes could not be opened without specific tools, and even on deck levels the windows can not be opened. At anchor on what appeared to be a normal night without specific storm warnings, who would close air intakes and watertight doors? If she was hit by a tornado like wind and capsized, what I see as a possible cause is the aft guest cockpit. It is at a lower level than the deck, and thus sunk in area is quite large. If that filled up with water in a serious heel or capsize it would have seriously affected the vessels stability. I wait for the MAIB report. And there is no such thing as an unsinkable boat. Remember April 14, 1912…
@@user-dm6mk4ns3jI'm of the same thinking as you and I go a step further and sah crew entered berthing through a separate access via the aft cockpit to keep them having to trudge through the ship to resch their berths . So one bulkhead and they are out of the ship. No water to deal with just the injuries incurred in the roll over.
The divers can definitely get down in one minute. But coming back up there will be some decompression or off-gassing stops so they are not making it up in one minute. At that depth they'll be lucky to spend 5 minutes down on that wreck before needing to start ascending. They really need some divers with rebreathers that can spend more time at depth
You can do a dive without decompression stops to 40 metres and stay there for 8 minutes before having to ascend. Recreational diving is to no more than 40 metres although I have gone to 45 metres without any effect. You can stay for 10 minutes but would need a stop at 15 metres for 5 minutes or 25 minutes at depth with a stop for 15 minutes. This dive is to 50 metres so they would have deployed bottles for any decompression stops. We can see that some of them are diving with 2 bottles so they can stay at depth for longer. My former boss at BRNC was a MCDO and dived on the Spirit of Free Enterprise at Zeebrugge. His description of the sights he saw was very harrowing. At least they should be able to recover the missing and from the sounds of it, they might be able to salvage the yacht as well.
@@WOTArtyNoobs Depends on who's tables (PP02) the divers are using. Military tables allow much more time than sport divers get with shorter deco times, but they assume young healthy fit people.
@@dougle03 My first experience of diving was military. I qualified as a deep diver in the Red Sea. The viewer who was a commercial diver on North Sea rigs was correct. They should have used surface-supplied air instead of Scuba and a support vessel with a compression chamber just in case. The bottles do get in the way. I can imagine the difficulty of trying to navigate all the debris with dive lights. My heart goes out to the divers working this one as well as the relatives. Very difficult dealing with bodies after several days of immersion.
It also has to be remembered that as well as having a lifting keel, Bayesian also has in-mast sail furling….( for this reason, I can’t see how the mast could have snapped! ) This is like a 70 metre long roller blind, placed vertically in the mast, which winds the mainsail inside the mast when not in use. The mechanism, and the mainsail is obviously very heavy and places a lot of weight very high above the centre of gravity. At anchor, with the keel retracted and the mainsail furled inside the mast, the yah would have been in its least stable configuration. it is however designed for this…but not when hit by very high winds. One of the features of warm water thunderstorms is the possibility of microblasts under the thunder cell. These cannot be predicted, and are only of short duration, usually less than ten minutes…However, the arrive in seconds, they are very powerful and very violent, wind speeds of 150mph.. I have absolutely no no doubt that Bayesian, with its keel retracted and mainsail furled would have been knocked down very quickly and with little warning..Once on its side, there would have been massive water ingress through the large patio type doors onto the aft deck,which would probably have been open as there were apparently guests on the aft deck. and by way of the ventilation shafts for the engine room, galley and HVAC systems. They were very fortunate that so many crew and guests were awake and on deck at the time, and that the hydrostatic releases on the life rafts worked as intended. Those sleeping below deck would have had little to no chance sadly. I don’t think any blame can be apportioned in this incident, it was pure force of circumstances, and no action could or would have changed that.
When a storm is approaching, you secure all hatches and shell doors. This is not the first yacht that sank because someone forgot a shell door open. And those who left it open were responsible!
Your expert who made the assessment seems like a very knowledgeable person. As a person who was in the Navy and had to learn about exiting a flipped over vessel your assessment of the confusion is very astute. I wonder if the crew had any chance to secure watertight bulkheads in the short time before she sank. I would have thought the captain would have ordered the watertight doors to be secured as soon as he saw that the sea state was in a dangerous level. The other question I have is "if" the adjustable keel was lowered as it should have at the same time the crew was trying to secure all of the hatches and ports. Just my questions.
It's normal for people to comment about errors. Imagine a world where errors were made and people just shrugged their shoulders. Third-world country mentality. Nobody was rude.
I appreciate your reporting very much. You strive for accuracy. You never hesitate to correct something you stated when necessary. If only the msm were even half as diligent and concerned about accuracy!
It may be even more complicated. Just my 2 cents: we learned that any ship (when not under power) would naturally turn off wind when hit by a gust of crosswind. On the anchor it's the other way around: the anchor forces the hull into the wind (which in this case is "unnatural" movement) and in this case a very deep keel is actually an obstacle as the water resistance would help the wind capsizing the boat. This certainly goes for a non-ballasted keel, while I don't know whether the ballast in the lowered position would compensate this. The other question is how many open hatches does it take to let enough water into the hull to kill any chance of recovery after the gust is over and the ship would right itself?
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Imagine someone presenting themself as an expert, and saying the mast snapping would impart a capsize moment. I have never heard of a lightning strike bringing the mast down. Frying all the electric, electronic systems, yes. Injuring persons aboard, yes. Starting a fire, yes.
Take a look at the interiors of the yacht. When the boat goes 90 degrees if you are in one large cabin you have to escalate the bulkheads for meters in order to go out. No way out.
Maybe this is a bit simplistic but if the depth is an issue for examining the yacht surely the simpler option is to bring in a floating crane or bags and either fully or partially refloating into shallower depth to allow dive crews access to explore the yacht.
On the neighbouring yacht the anchor was slipping so they used the engine to keep position and direction to wind. Maybe the same happened here, but maybe they got wind from the side during that maneuvering. What also could have happened is, that a genua sail unrolled a bit due to the strong winds, which adds tilting forces to the mast and if the sail was filled with water prevents the mast from upturning.
There is surveillance video of the boat capsizing. Very nasty weather. You don't see it go over, it just disappears. The striking thing is how ridiculously tall the mast is.
This is a really strange incident. Yachts, by design, have comparatively large GMs, therefore they have large righting moments to resist the heeling moment caused by wind acting on sails. This is why SYs are notoriously hard to roll over. The reason they do roll over can be extreme wind/seas or the loss of a keel or down-flooding of water into the hull space. Some yachts will get to 90 or even 110 degrees of heel and still come back up as long as no water gets inside. The most likely scenario here is that the lifting keel was probably in the UP position and some doors or hatches were left open. The Inclining Document will list the heel angle for deck edge immersion and down-flooding. Once that is reached and if additional things are open, flooding will be rapid, indeed very rapid and most probably unrecoverable.
Back in 1998, I worked as the Chef on a 52m Perini Navi called Liberty. An absolute behemoth of a sailing yacht. It was so large that it had a dumbwaiter traversing three decklevels from the galley to the countersunk foredeck alfresco dining area which was forward of the coach house but aft of the mast. That area seated up to 20 people. When we were underway carrying full sail in a 20 knot breeze, she would heel over and standing on the windward side and looking down at the sea was the height of a three storey building.
Despite the vessel being built and equipped to modern safety standards and having protections the licensing authority mandate, none of this matters if the vessel lists till its deck becomes submerged after which it capsizes and rapidly sinks. People simply didn't have time to escape from their cabins or staterooms before the vessel was overwhelmed. Anything not secured inside the boat will have become disrupted and may obstruct exits or trap people beneath furniture, beds, etc. The speed of the capsize and sinking raises memories of the South African Tugboat Jascon 4, which immediately capsized and sank after being struck by a rogue wave!
Our yacht club did a life raft demonstration in the swimming pool. 2 different rafts were used. Adults with life vests were tasked with entering the raft in calm water obviously. No one was able to enter the first raft which had a webbed ladder. The second raft had a floating platform for boarding. One or two of the fittest males were capable of entering the raft and assisted others in accessing the raft. Most of the swimmers did not have the upper body strength to climb into the raft.
I was sailing a 22' sailboat and got sunk by a 100+mph microburst. I had pulled the sails down and secured but the wind was strong enough to turn the boat over and it filled with water and sank. After the fact I realized that if I would have winched the keel up to be flush with the bottom of the hull, the boat may have slid sideways and dissipated some of the forces on the windward beam of the boat. But maybe not. The forensic study of the boat will be interesting. I saw a post by Colin Macrae of Parlay Revival, that the ship that sunk is the sister ship to the sailing vessel that he crews on as the ship's chief engineer on the TV series, "Below Deck Sailing".
Yes the power of the wind can overwhelm. It is interesting to consider the hp needed to hold a car at maximum speed nearly all that power is fighting wind resistance and the car is typically shaped to minimise wind resistance!
Was out in a Sunfish and had the sail dropped down lot trying to get home in a storm, Then a gust came up so quickly it popped the Cleat by the mast and bridle at the boom end. Bent the boom too.
I've seen a land based Microburst. Partly sunny where I was, 2 blocks away a Microburst about 2 city blocks in width tossed a semi with a 20 foot trailer into the air over a guard rail and onto it's side 40 feet away in a creek! Cars were also tossed, but watching the semi was scary! Wind at 100mph is bad but Microbursts have a wall of water with that wind the sideways push is horrific!
As a very experienced sailor the keel position had nothing to do with it. If you were going to get knocked down you were going to get knocked down. Your only option would be to close the hatch boards and the companion way to keep enough water out long enough for her to come back upright. Having some canvas up actually prevents the boat from completely rolling. It will hit the water and prevent the roll from continuing further. I personally haven't been hit by a microburst, but a friend 100 yards away got hit while I was watching. They we sailing at the time. Main got shredded and the jib was only held by the halyard being pulled straight up into the air. Ripped the tack right out of it.
@@otm646 Yes, I should have closed the companionway and we would not have sunk. One of the reasons I mentioned winching up the keel is that when the keel was winched flush with the bottom of the hull, you could turn the boat with the rudder, but the boat would continue in the same direction even though the bow was pointed 90 degrees to the direction of travel. The boat just slid across the top of the water sideways. Lower the keel (daggerboard) a few inches below the hull and the boat's direction of travel would change with the change in the rudder position (like a normal boat). We recovered the boat, replaced the mast and rigging and came in 2nd in the same race the following year (Race for the Case between Gulfport and Biloxi, Ms.
Firstly, I would like to express my condolences to all the relatives of the victims. I would also like to thank eSysman for his objective reporting. On the one hand, it is astonishing that a ship of this size could not withstand the weather conditions. On the other hand, I fear that it was precisely this assumption, which has now been proven wrong, that handled the accident. The theory that the lifting keel was not extended but in the upper position seems to me a logical cause for things going wrong so quickly. I would like to mention two other aspects that may have contributed to the accident. 1) The boom is usually fixed overnight and the mainsheet is kept tight to prevent movement and ‘noise’. However, the profiled boom provides a surface for the wind to attack. In my opinion, this would not be so bad if the ship was only moored to an anchor and could swing freely. 2) However, if the ship is lashed with two anchors (in a ‘V’ or ‘Y’ formation), which is often standard for larger ships when anchoring, then the ship's swing radius is restricted and the ship cannot yield as well to the attacking wind. It would therefore be just as important to know whether the mainsheet was tight and whether one or two anchors were deployed and, finally, whether the engines were still trying to turn the ship into the wind (which is much more difficult if two anchors were deployed). However, the investigation will show what handled the accident
So the keel was almost certainly in a partial / fully raised position that tall mast and rigging would have had sufficient wind loading to take the hull into a rapid overturning moment around the anchor .. open windows and doors would complete the unrecoverable sinking som sad . such a beautiful yacht ..
No need to apologize for saying Sardina instead of Sicily. You do an amazing twork with your videos. Keep educating and entertaining us and please, ignore the idiots that do nothing but criticising you and other youtubers.
As an offshore worker I fully understand and grasp what you are saying when upside down. We do that in a helicopter and the minute it turns upside down you automatically think left is right and visa versa, even though its not
The chance of escaping a boat upside down is limited, even for someone fully aware of the vessel lay out. I did a Gas Rig coarse. As part of that you are strapped into a "chopper rig" set up in a pool thats turned upside down. You have to removed the seat belt and head to the exit. Its only a short swim, you look at the exit as you go under but as soon as the seat belts and wires and other bits of junk start floating and the water is swooshing around you its confusing AF. One guy failed and had to be rescued even though its only 6-8 of water with NO wind No tide No wave motion etc.
This is huge tragedy, thinking of people who were sleeping down below at the time of the incident. I agree with the role of the raised keel (do not understand why it was not down in 50 m depth). I also think that the mast's height could contribute to the heeling when the wind pushed from the side. However, everybody is talking about the waterspout, which I think could not do this to the boat. It would do a lot of damage, but while it is a rotating mass (let's say 10 meters in diameter), it would not steadily push in one direction. Of course, the investigation will give us the answers and I do not wat to speculate, but as I remember there was a disaster few days ago in Baleares. This was not tornade, but on the contrary, a cold drop. The cold separated mass of cold air from Atlantic got here in high altitude, then when the moisture from heated med. sea raises, it will start falling down and accelerate. This is like vertical wind. When it reaches the sea level, it spreads to all sides and accelerate again, mostly just above the waterline. This can create such a strong wind which pused the boat for some while in one direction, causing it to heel too much (raised keel and area of the mast). Once heeled, the wind pushes more to the exposed hull on the waterline. If the beem of the boat is too wide, then it is critical from next comming waves (but in this case the wind). We sailors have a formular called CAPSIZE RATIO, or capsize screening formula. I did not find this ratio for this yacht, but I think it could be calculated. I would focus on this parameters too.
As a captain of another Perini I can say that captains routinely do things from complementary. Where the doors shut? Was the watch person watching the radar to see the front? Was the keel raised? Thes3e Perinis routinely sail on their anchors when the wind was strong. The windage on this rig are huge. She laid Over and I'd the doors weren't closed she turtled quickly.
I have worked on a Perini Navi there is no way hatches were open. The AC would be running 24/7 . The mast being so tall and big would create massive windage. The mast on this yacht was one of the tallest masts in the world. If a waterspout hit them this would be capable of capsizing the yacht. I have a problem with who was on watch that night. The boat in front of them recognized the storm, started its engines, and was able to stay safe by maneuvering his boat to accommodate the wind shifts.
The on watch obviously had roused the crew to secure the deck for winds but would have been unlikely to start the main engines at 5am with the owner & VIP guests on board! For a front going over that size of yacht is usually fine at anchor, unless this particular design & rig is particularly tender?
@@jackdbur The Captain has the final say the owners are just that owners with no clue on how to run a yacht that is why the hire a professional . He can start the engines at any time the yach is in jeopardy.
@@katoosh1 They didn't know that they were in danger yachts don't usually have Doppler radar. The captain is beholden to the owner for his job continuance! Annoying the owner & his VIP guests at 5am may not be good. I'm sure that if the captain knew that the front had such violent winds he would have started the engines and lowered the centerboard.
5:41 This is only true in specific conditions. If the rig has failed and the boat is at an angle of extreme heel having the rig and specifically canvas in the water dramatically reduce the rate at which it comes back upright. I'm an experienced sailor/racer who has dealt with rig failures and lightning strikes.
As an ex north sea tech diver on air used to do 45 minute decompression stop for 10 minutes bottom time You can cut decompression down by using travel/ decompression mixes 40% &. 100% 02 They'll only be able to do 2 or 3 dives a day due to nitrogen loading Assuming they're not using tri-mix
think points are about 10 minutes on the bottom. there is no point in correcting unfairness. the most important thing was to show people who know nothing about diving that it is not possible to work on the bottom for a long period of time without other equipment and a pressure chamber. very good job by esysman. polite, respectful and very correct.
@@sailaway8244 Were the two divers I saw wearing only a single tank support/safety divers above 160'? single tank at that depth seems sketchy. Also, wouldn't you get a pretty good narc-high going with air at 160'?
Just read a BBC article that intervoewd the doctor that oversaw the rescued people: "Survivors of the Bayesian yacht say the ship "capsized within a few minutes", according to a doctor treating them." "One British mother, Charlotte Golunski, was on board the Bayesian with her partner and held her baby above the waves as help arrived." But in the captions of the doctor speaking " ... but her mother managed to pick her up, held her above the water level and get into the safety raft that had luckily already been launched a few minutes earlier". One would need to know the path taken by the survivors from their staterooms to the "exit" and whether such path allowed them to see crew launch a raft or whether as you explained raft self launched. (Though self launching might have had greater time lapse between people leaving a boat still above water and a boat having sunken enough to trigger release of the rafts). Hopefully you will get to the bottom of this and find out the proper sequence of events. Also curious on what triggered most to get up and evacuate while 6 didn't (and whether their location meant for intance they were already underwater or unable to leave). QUESTION: would lights remain on during the sinking to help passengers swim in boat to reach stairwell up ? or would salt water typically get lights off early in the sequence leaving passengers in total darkness, making it much harder to orient yourself towards an exit?
A lifted keel is the first theory I've heard that makes sense. I was wondering if the keel failed and broke off. A ship with 70m tall sails must have an equally vast righting moment, and it's hard imagine nearby boats surviving a wind powerful enough to overcome that righting moment while blowing on the bare mast. But lift or break the keel and most of that righting moment goes away.
I capsized 90° twice during a horrendous storm in the north atlantic on a former whitbread and Ostar yacht. It's a world changer! Just Imagine this happening to your house in a matter of seconds...
I'm not sure what dive tables the rescue divers are using but a quick check on Buhlmann Dive Tables, a 51m dive only allows five mins at the bottom with a one minute stop at 3m. A longer dive will incur more decompression stops on ascent. A rebreather or open circuit dive using trimix would be highly recommended giving the divers a longer time at the bottom with mandatory decompression stops.
If the vessel was at anchor, why would the wind have been on the beam enough for this to cause a capsize? Why wouldn't the boat have rounded up into the wind causing her bow to bear the brunt of the wind? Was a stern anchor dropped too or something?
It was hit by a microburst from an active thunder cell. They come in seconds at hurricane speed, and very often from an entirely unexpected direction..a microburst is a very powerful downdraught from a thunder cell that impacts the surface of the water, then radiates outwards in all directions…Think of spraying a pressure washer against a pane of glass.
Wow! No keel at anchor?!? That sounds like a catastrophic design issue. Were ports open? On both sides? (temperature perfect, so open port sleeping). On it's side, the ports would be firehose water streams - don't see how anyone could get out out get down to help the trapped get out. )Although an axe at a top side ports is a question - was that attempted?) Thanks for your great coverage on this story.
5:00 AM, you wake up suddenly with the boat on its side ... it's pitch black, and the door to your cabin is above your head ... that's not a situation with a high probability of survival. The people who were up and about, and on the deck (captain, crew, and a few guests), were the ones who had a chance to get (or get dumped) into the water. Question for anyone who might know this: why would you raise the keel in 50 m of water? Wouldn't the boat be more steady, and more comfortable, with the keel down?
I have been sailing yachts since I was a child and worked as Jim Sherwood’s full time skipper for six years at the end of the sixties into the early seventies. I am a "Yacht Master Ocean" and though I no longer work commercially I still sail whenever I can. My last commercial command was a 76 foot Sloop from 1997 to 2022 ( with some breaks). This yacht was based in Italy and we cruised extensively in the Mediterranean. We were knocked down off Anzio in a line squall in about 1970, and were caught in a similar event in 2015 (or there about) in Volcano; on that night over 200 boats of various sizes were sunk or beached. The major point that I wish to make is that there are too many yachts and, in particular, too many large yachts. Yachting is suffering from the same blight as the tourist industry. Too many people in the popular spots. Ports and anchorages are congested forcing captains to choose anchorages that would never have been considered safe twenty years ago. Look at the map (chart) and see where the Bayesian was anchored. That is not a sheltered anchorage; it is open to every wind except the south-west, and even that shelter is reduced by the fact the boat was moored a long way out from the coast. So why did they anchor there? Because the ports and anchorages that are safe are full. There are also a limited number of ports that can take a yacht of that size. So she was forced to anchor in a dangerous position….. Now whether or not the boat actually sank through human error or design fault is neither here nor there; SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANCHORED THERE.
My first thought was “chabusco”. My second : hmmm..why anchored THERE? Size? crowds? Did not seem ideal. Or safe considering SOME bad weather had been predicted. Thanks for pointing that out to all. You are absolutely correct.
A sailing yacht with out a mast does have more stability, but that's not always a good thing. There are stories of "J" Class yachts in the 1930's being dismasted, but the roll movement ends up being reduced to the stage where it's impossible to stand on the deck.
Seen a video of the incident. It was night with high gusts coming through, then a pause, then a white out. The ships lights, deck lights and masthead were visible until the whiteout, when it cleared the lights were gone. It was seconds. Apparently, it was a powerful downdraft far stronger than the 50 knots gusts previously in the area. The yacht's draft keel down is 9m and sea depth 12-15 m so it's likely the keel was half raised. That would be OK for the 50 knots gusts but no way could such a downdraft greatly exceeding 50knots be expected.
With 50 meters of water under the boat why would they retract a 10 meter keel? At anchor, the added stability (comfort) provided by a low center of gravity is a benefit not to be neglected. It doesn't make sense.
Actually the centreboard when down on those things moves enough to vibrate through the boat and is bloody annoying. We never dropped ours unless sailing upwind in a decent breeze. I bet none of the other Perini Navi's ever lowered theirs when anchored either.
@@michaelcrane2475You are talking about a centerboard, that is something different than a lifting keel. A keel actually contains weight for stability of the vessel, a centerboard is just for creating lift while sailing to improve sailing performance.
I think that so many of the crew survived because, at that time of day, they all would have been up and on duty while the guests would have been asleep in their cabins. The captain should have stayed on board as long as he/she had duties that would aid in life-saving efforts, but not gone "down with the ship."
He likely had no choice once the ship was on its side, tipped into the sea or Captaining whilst stood on the side of the sinking hull makes very little difference, nothing could be done.
Dear Conspiracy Theorists here. Its stretching it a bit much to think that now we can create tornadoes (waterspouts). If the keel was up then the vessel at anchor would be so much more unstable than the surrounding boats, hence the capsize. "Wrong place at the wrong time" is a much more likely scenario than the Secret Tornado Generator deployment. Besides, how does this marvellous machine direct the tornado's path once generated? Please share as I am ignorant as to this detail.
You wouldn't normally expect a vessel of this size to be overwhelmed at an anchorage regardless of the weather conditions. At this stage the only thing that is clear is that a catastrophic event happened too quickly for the crew to react even though they were clearly on deck dealing with "a situation". My thoughts are with the families of all those lost. I'm sure the relevant authorities and MAIB will carry out a thorough investigation and lessons, probably many lessons, will be learnt or re-learnt. The incident reminds me of the loss of the MV Flag Theofano during a terrible storm in the Eastern approaches to the Solent in 1990 which resulted in the total loss of Ship and crew. I was on a ship hit by a water spout many years ago and whilst alarming it was by no means catastrophic albeit that the ship was much larger than this yacht.
It is a lot longer than a minute to come back up from 50mtrs, it will be around 5 minutes, they would also require safety stops probably 3mins at 10mtrs and another minute at 3mtrs. Not got my dive tables with me otherwise I would give accurate timings. PADI dive instructor, BSAC certified.
@@arthuryu1905 very few rescue diver units have rebreathers available also the supply of mixed gases like nitrox would also be restricted. I'm sure their intent was to get down there to see if it was possible that someone had survived or even surviving now in an air pocket. It does appear from media videos that they are using twin 10Ltr cylinders Nitrox filled.
Depends on the divers! Yes 1 min is far too quick, but sport diver tables have huge amounts of safety built in; military tables are far more generious. Even so, a 50m dive on a single tank and tiny 3L pony is deffo not advised regardless of the PP02 being used, military have been known to go as far as 1.1 whereas sport divers should be at least 1.6 or 2.0
@@dougle03 maximum PO2 for any sort of sports diving is 1.8 I have dived to 63mtrs on air, but it was a bounce dive (i.e. go there and come straight back up to a 'safe' depth) at 50mtrs on air you get around 5mins before deco starts racking up. Many Rebreather divers regularly rack up 2 ~ 2.5 hours of deco.
The yacht mast is 71 meters. The sea bottom is 50 m. Mast works as spring, and yachts don't compete full turn in the water. But instead of this top of the mast hit the ground and pushed the yacht back in slow opposite movement. Water goes in at the double rate, begins trimming back and forth, and "the problem happened".
That's possible but there are voids on board which are sealed plus Styrofoam and 3 or 4 each, storeroom doors should be closed😢 watertight engine room closed airtight, for buoyancy
NOTE: S/Y Bayesian does not have a vertical lifting dagger board with the ballast bulb on like in the video clips. This is just to illustrate how a lifting keel operates.
@@YachtReport Correct, they have a swinging fin on a pin.
an alarm should sound with excess vessel listing. Even the keel can be lowered automatically.
@@YachtReport Warm night, hatches open? It is fully air-conditioned.
ooh really it doesn't have a moving keel ?
@@LibraryComputer-s8i It has a moving (lifting) keel but the design differs from the example shown in the video. Instead of lifting vertically it pivots.
I'm a relative of one of the victims. I also watch your RUclips all the time. Thank you for not saying things to get clicks. Honest reporting.
Me too! I'm related to boat owner.
m2 movement to start!
I’m so sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your loss. This must be horrific. My sympathies go out to you
So very sorry. So sad and such a shock. God give you strength
Maybe people should look at this from the point of view that the captain saved 15 of 21 in very difficult circumstances rather than failed to save 6
We'll have to wait & see. It sounds like there was some negligence, e.g. no watch or unpreparedness for the storm, perhaps deck doors left wide open.
Best wait for all the information. Maybe the keel being lifted caused the whole incident.
i am friend of captain and crew and myself is an officer
.. they are really exprineced sailors .. i am devasted
@@bryancallen213 Unlikely. The design incorporates a stub keel with rotating centreboard. The ballast is likely to be in the stub keel.
Agree. Captain is responsible for the safety of his passengers. It sounds like this happened SO fast and was SO disorienting that it will be disingenuous to reflect critically on his actions with hindsight.
When things go wrong on the water they go wrong very very quickly.
I fell overboard once when a safety line gave way and ripped through my hand as I tumbled into the drink in seconds. Through pure luck the skipper had just ordered a personnel check and I was declared missing, MOB and luckily spotted in the distance and rescued.
God bless those who perished in what must have been a terrifying final few minutes and rest in peace all those for whom the sea takes forever 🙏🏽
Glad you survived dear Man!
wow you were lucky!
You are strong swimmer?
u were lucky mate, finding people in v wtr is very hard 2 do, people reduce 2 v size of a soccer ball in v wtr.
This was incredibly close!
As a former professional charter skipper my take is that the crew and skipper sensed the weather and went on deck to check everything was OK. None of the crew would have expected the situation to develop as seriously and rapidly as it did particularly given the size of the vessel. By the time they realised that the boat was being overwhelmed the ability to perform an orderly muster or even reach the alarm would have passed and they would have been sliding down the open decks into the sea or scrambling up onto the top of the hull hoping the liferafts would automatically launch and inflate. The psychological shock of the rapidly developing and unexpected situation would potentially incapacitate the crew and make coherent response to the situation next to impossible. The warm sea meant the survivors wouldn't enter physiological cold shock - which is why nearly all of them made it to the liferaft.
I agree with the surveyor and suspect that, at anchor on a hot evening, hatches etc may well have been open - even if they were marked as "not to be open at sea". In my experience being "at sea" is interpreted as being under way, not at anchor. If open, these openings could potentially dramatically reduce the vessels downflooding angle. With the lifting keel* up and huge windage and high centre of gravity (roller headsails and main add weight up high), she would quickly be knocked down past her downflooding angle and from that point on she wouldn't be able to recover as the free surface effect of the incoming water pinned her down.
*edited to the correct term for the keel type
Shouldn't the centerboard be up with 50 meters of water under the boat ?
Not to mention that disturbing the guests in the middle of the night for a “possible” emergency is generally avoided. It’s not right but it happens.
What a fantasy!
@pauld3327 l think that you mean "shouldn't it be down?" ... which is a fair point! Maybe they were afraid of swinging into shallows while at anchor, but l expect that this is unlikely!
Exactly. Plus its not 'just' a gale. Tornado wind speeds reach in excess of 250mph. Enough to carry people away. Apparently the rig didn't collapse. But A dangling line would flog like a bullwhip. Enough to knock one unconscious. Intense water spray. The crew would be effectively blind until the spout passes. She was probably already capsized past 90º and downloading.
One possible reason why the crew survived could be that they where awake and securing stuff because of the bad weather, while most of the guests where in their cabins.
Most probably the watch keeper had roused them to secure the deck and thats how they made it off.
I concur with Paul Anstey's theory of what happened. He is a well respected expert and surveyor. The ballasted keel, in the retracted position, greatly raises the CG of the vessel and would make it very tender (tippy). Given the windage and height of the mast and the house, a severe gust of wind on the beam could put the vessel over on her beam ends. Typically, on a nice summer night, deck hatches and salon doors might be open and water would flood in. The guest accommodation is usually down and aft in these yachts so anyone trying to get out would be fighting a huge flow of water. I believe it happened so quickly anyone still in their staterooms would have no time to get out. It would be difficult for Guests on the leeward side (lower) to climb to their doors, those on the windward (higher) side would have difficulty opening their doors. I doubt whether it took more than a few minutes for this to happen. As to the reasons the crew were mostly able to get out. Having worked on large yachts for many years including sailing yachts, my belief is the crew were already on deck and working to deal with the situation. There would have been a crew member on watch all night and he/she would have raised the warning of weather to the Captain. The crew were likely already up to deal with the situation in case of dragging anchor, heavy winds, awnings tearing, cushions blowing away etc.. When a heavy squall happens in the middle of the night, the Captain and crew try to deal with it without disturbing or alarming the guests. This is likely what they thought was happening and why the fatalities are mostly guests. I believe the yacht was hit by an unprecedented super gust and it capsized and down flooded before anyone could do anything to help those trapped below. The crew would have been unable to access the guest area to rouse them in time to save them. A terrible tragedy. My heart and condolences go out to all those lost and injured and their loved ones.
A theory is just that 😢😢
No way any hatches doors left open as its air conditioned however the saloon doors are large electrically operated sliding ones and once heeled over too far one half would definitely slide open on its own. We used to have problems with them sailing and need to dog them closed. Ex perini engineer.
yes well sumarised, agree
Bayesian also has in-mast furling…which, with the mainsail furled in the mast, puts a lot of weight up high..With the keel up and main furled, a hit from a microburst could knock it down very quickly
@@martinsaunders2942 it has in-boom furling.
I was on a yacht that dragged anchor,hit rocks. Opened up the hull and nearly sank in less than 15 minutes. We got the guests into a tender, captain called a mayday and started emergency pumps. This was at the north end of Vancouver island at 2 am in high winds and a rip tide.
Canadian Coast guard rescued us form the shore several hours later. They brought in a salvage boat with pumps and saved the yacht. They towed us to a resort island 30 km away. The rocks we hit were not charted. I was the Chef. The yacht was the 1929 MV/ OLYMPUS.
That would be queen charlotte sound. There have been many ship wrecks there.
no bulk heads. Designers over engineers
Wait a tick your story doesn't add up I'm sorry you dragged an anchor that hit rocks and opened up a hole in the hull, seriously it was that shallow my friend whoever captained the boat was incompetent!
Most of the guests were sleeping and most likely the crew was woken up by the captain for the bad weather. As the crew was getting prepared the ship just listed and sunk. The crew knew the ship and what chances of survival they had. The captain probably feels guilty on not waking up the guests to inform them on the bad weather therefore he just kept the crew informed. The cook probably wanted to save the others but didn't get out in time. To make it simple, the crew had just enough time and experience to save themselves. If you were one of them would you do the same?
Absolutely useless story regarding this topic....dear diary.....😮
This is the only channel I have faith in to inform about this tragic incident.
Only to show us... sipping champagne one minute and gone the next
Don’t be so sure about it !! With that magnitude there is a lot’s involved behind the scenes! If they don’t find anyone on board under water in such a short swift time of inspection that also rases an eyebrow!
@@gabegaram6047he said the divers could see corpses inside the yacht through the portholes
He said his information source is based on reports. So he's getting it from main streem media, like the rest of us. Don't be so easily led.
Accuracy is of the utmost importance to this channel. As a sailor, I appreciate the length he goes to give the best knowledge available. It’s so easy for ignorant people to criticize.
I don’t think there’s any problem with the crew surviving in this situation. This vessel sank within a few seconds. There was obviously no time to go to cabin and get people up and out. What I do fault is the failure to have someone on watch and someone listening to weather radio for alerts. The windage created by the mass of that high with all the ringing is enormous . Are used to own a 43 foot ocean going sailboat and I can tell you that we were once in a dark and got hit with about a 50 or 60 mile an hour wind we were tied up to floating docks and the windage of our mass, which was about 60 feet tall, gave us a list of about 10 to 15°. That’s a situation with no no canvas on and tied up and still we pulled the floating docks with us well considering that we weigh 20,000 pounds we had some leverage over the pier . To give you another example when my children are young, I once sent my daughter who loved to climb and was extremely skillful in Bosen’s chair on my 28 foot sailboat up the mast, which was probably about 35 feet and she weighed all of 60 pounds but her 60 pounds at the top of the mast, she was able to rock our 4 ton boat from side to side so that’s just a simple example when you get a mass it’s 200 and some feet tall and a burst of wind that might’ve been 70 or 80 miles an hour or greater and the keel is in the opposition it’s all over
I agree with you. Someone on watch should have monitored weather reports and done some preparation, like lowering the keel, activating the seakeepers, close all hatches and portholes and having a short safety chat with all guests and giving them the option of remaining in the salon to ride out the storm instead of going below decks.
@@jackspeer2127 according to some in the Palermo area this was a predicted and forewarned weather system.
Why would the keel be up in 50m depth and the stabis off?
@@sailorlac then shame on the crew.
@@JHK66 sysman stated that when not under way, having the keel up is SOP.. My comment on the seakeepers was speculation.
How horrible it must have felt for these Passengers to be trapped like this in the dark and know' it's all over!
Sicily, Sardinia... well, as you say, I saw the map and understood perfectly well the whereabouts of that Yacht! Thank you for the update!
Heartbreaking. 😢
its one of my biggest fears to be trapped in a sinking ship.. absolutely terrifying
Haunting. From living a dream life to sheer terror in minutes.
People are living in darkness and perishing and they can’t see even with eyes and they can’t hear with the hearing they have or even with hearing aid
Thank you at last, a sensible logical look at what might have happened. It’s a shame the mainstream media can’t report things in the same educated way!
You cannot depend on MSM for any accuracy. That is why we end up speculating.
The mother of the one year old has done an interview. She was in the water and pulled into the life raft. She described keeping the baby's head above water. It wasn't like people stepped off the yacht onto the life raft. One report described it as deploying automatically and survivors climbed onto the raft.
@@TerryKeever she also said she woke up at 4 cause the boat was tilted...but nobody was worried about it
I believe I heard reported that she and her baby were sleeping on deck area. Her husband was on deck area but in different location. I don't know if that's true or not but it might explain how they ended up in the water and not trapped inside. Scary.
Yes, the life rafts are designed to deploy automatically. I don't know for certain, but the pictures I've seen of the _Bayesian_ seem to be that there were two life rafts aft and two fore. I believe four life rafts is the minimum standard for chartered superyachts.
@@touchdown15nichols72Sleeping outdoors in that weather?? The main deck level maybe
@@grondheroYes and No. The rule specifies the total required liferaft capacity but doesn't specify whether that is split between 5 or 6 rafts or is all in just a single one.
Excellent reporting as always. Thank you for your hard work and knowledge to enlighten those of us non-boaters or crew. 👏🏻
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Your video was very informative and professional. Ignore the criticism honestly. Very good video that explained everything in detail. And you're a very likeable person. Thank you so much.
Having crewed on a Perini Navi my initial thought when I heard about this accident was exactly what your expert has described. I doubt the centreboard would have been down, we only ever lowered ours when sailing close hauled. Definitely not at anchor as it would move from side to side slightly which was enough to send vibrations through the boat. We even used to sail with the centrboard up unless the wind was hard on the nose. So almost never because in a boat that size with guests who want to relax, you don't want to have people, objects and gin and tonics flying about the place as she heels over.
At several yards I have worked on yachts with lifting keels. The purpose was to be able to navigate in shallow waters or harbors. If it did not have a lifting possibility it would be designed like the lowered position. The pivot design seems to be done to avoid any obstruction in the interior. I would say normal procedure is keel down.
A lifting keel is not the same as a centreboard. A centreboard yacht has most of the ballast in the bottom of the hull, a lifting keel has most of the ballast in the keel itself.
question: would a big boat like this not have emergency exit lights with independent batteries?... something to indicate the way out in situations where the power goes?
@@widgetwaterware Yep, I know. We called it the centreboard.
@@Rwj378 Right. Thanks for your answer. So it's possible that the furniture just blocked the way out... maybe?
My dad was on a destroyer in WW2 They were caught in a typhoon at sea in the far East. He said it was the most frightening thing of his life and he had nightmares over it. They kept steaming into the huge waves the props at the back were racing. The Chief eng said they were done for if the engines failed and went broadside on. They had a day and a bit of it. HMS Relentless.
Wind can cause a lot of problems. My thoughts are with the missing people.
Waves were not a factor in this incident. The wind was short-lived.
The lifted keel and open hatches are almost certainly bang on.
I suppose that enough positive stability was ensured with the lifting keel up.
They need to get some real salvage divers on scene with surface supplied breathing medium and communications and a surface decompression chamber. Scuba at that depth puts the firemen at risk. Get professionals involved. I think the parties involved can afford it!
It took the Atlantic to fill the Mediterranian Sea about 3 weeks from the spill at Gibraltar.
@@nessuno1948 apparently not.
@@randyneilson7465agreed. Bottom time at that depth is nothing & the risk of decompression issues is great.
I've been in a similar weather event in the Gulf of Mexico during pipe-lay operations at night. Literally out of nowhere, sudden winds of at least 10 Bf hit us that lasted just minutes and listed the 275 m long vessel approximately 30 degrees. After it passed, the weather returned to calm like nothing ever happened.
EXACTLY what I thought of. Chubasco.
Thank for such a precise and focussed report. I appreciated your ability to avoid sensationalising this tragedy.
Well done.
THANKS ESYSMAN FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND CORRECTING YOUR STATEMENTS ASAP 💚💚💚
Some important notes about this yacht:
1. This yacht has a centre board, and DOES NOT have a weighted keel as reported both here and in news media. Although a lowered centre board would assist somewhat in keeping the yacht momentarily upright, it has far less influence than a weighted bulb keel.
2. All people who were sadly trapped on board were likely in guest cabins. If you see the Bayesian deck layouts, the guests cabins are below the bridge and therefore share the same compartment. The bridge/saloon level is the most vulnerable in terms of water ingress due to the large saloon and bridge doors. Water could then easily make its way to the guest cabins.
3. Crew cabins are forward of the bridge compartment, which could suggest why they were able to escape.
IMO the yacht was caught beam-on to an incredible amount of wind, pinning her on her side long enough for 1 or 2 compartments to fill with water, causing her to sink. No one will know what truly happened until the investigation is complete.
Thoughts with those who perished.
The mystery is no actual diagram of photos of the keel up and down.
If you find an image post a link here. I searched for an hour and found nothing.
That yacht had a lot of gear high in the rigging which looks to be auto reefing so heavy she was probably rather tender.
You'll have to tell us where you get your information from. Especially bullet No. 1. I have never heard of, nor could I even conceive of, a 184 foot long sail vessel with a 245' mast that "does not have a weighted keel, but only a centerboard." That sounds impossible to me. Perini Navi would be so far out on a limb if what you say is true, is true. OTOH, f you said Bayesian had a keel with an encased, slotted centerboard, that I have seen, sailed on and am familiar with. Please enlighten us.
@@3beltwesty I searched quite a bit myself and found nothing. Lot's of pictures of the interior, but no hull plans, which I found odd.
@@dap777754 I haven’t seen the centreboard with my own eyes but I have been invited onto the yacht itself and know people familiar with its specs
Thank you for the respectful reporting.
I completely agree with your comment on how difficult it can be to find your way around inside a vessel. When I was in the Carlton Queen in Egypt when it capsized, finding my way out required lots of concentration, not to mention the difficulty to exit a cabin when its door is now at the ceiling! I can also well imagine, the incident happening at night, that the guests were most probably sleeping, which certainly adds to the difficulty in helping yourself out, if you are not directly injured when falling from your berth. If it happen so quickly, I can imagine that no one have the time to help out. Sad news.
Wow, congratulations on your escape!
E, you have the highest journalistic integrity. Thanks!
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I assume the vessel will be salvaged and it needs to be really to recover the deceased and to find out how it sank so quickly. They would with a aircraft for sure. It’s very sad, I wonder why the keel would be up when in such deep water but it may have been the practice of the crew to do this. It still amazes me how quickly it went down when you would imagine there were numerous areas which would trap air etc slowing down the process. Rip to those lost. Andy UK
There are several reasons the keel might be up. Deep bulb keels combined with wide high performance hulls have so much righting moment that they 'snap' the boat upright after every swell at anchor. Raising the keel produces a much more comfortable motion when one is 'safely' at anchor or just motoring. The same high performance hull and keel also notoriously hunt and sail constantly at anchor, even with no sail up. Annoying and uncomfortable. A narrow fin and bulb like that can occasionally wrap the anchor rode during tide shifts. Extremely vexing.
@@AndyUK-Corrival certainly Italian authorities and the British Marine Accident Investigation Branch will be investigating the cause of the loss of life.
@@AndyUK-Corrival As to replies, to highlight that it did not have a ‘LIFTING KEEL’ but a ‘SWING KEEL’. It therefore should have had maximum ‘righting ability’ at the time.
Further to the swing keel, it would not have been swung to one side, as it would have made the yacht have a permanent ‘tilt’ while at anchor.
yes it should not have sunk so quickly, i imgane v watertight hatches were open maybe 4 ventialtion or ;ease;, she was moored but on an exposed coast so should hve been as preped 4 sea state. im hopn air pockets may hve saved some?, unlikely though. also im intrested in wat v moving keel did whn she capsised n sunk, was it 'secured', or did it move n cause mre damge n whn n 2 wat extent, hvng that amount of solid weight movable on a vessel is unwise in my opinion.
Maybe the keel was up to reduce rolling from a swell.
Another thing i’d add on the stability issues is the yacht had a significant deckhouse and appeared to have an additional hardtop forward of the cabin. On smaller yachts in the caribbean, hard tops caught wind and capsized boats - surprisingly even heavy displacement 18-20m sailing yachts with significant ballast. If the yacht had been hit by a tornado, these under hardtop areas would have contributed to capsizing maybe even more so than the mast.
I saw an account of a storm in the Caribbean where a wave caused the entire deckhouse to be shifted sideways something like 100 mm causing water to be shipped very fast. Fortunately the crew were able to get every single piece of cloth or cushion on board and block the hole.
There saying hatches and doors left open due too the heat? I’ve worked on super yachts, they all have air conditioning, Engineers always keep everything closed to stop the compressors having to work overtime
What's the point being in the Med if you can't experience Mediterranean weather and real warm air? You can get fake air-con weather in New York City.
But there are guests on the boat. They don't want to be inside an air conditioned bubble, that's what they do every day of their lives. They want that Mediterranean breeze.
yeah i did wonder about that v ac. im guesn ver not woried bout co2 poisioning as she would b airtight i imgaine. pasengers r not crew n some people will do wat vey want due 2 ignorance etc.wel find out whn she is salvaged, or inspected on v seafloor.
@@richtensail the yacht is fully air conditioned throughout..the air conditioning systems are require to have a large amount of of fresh air makeup to keep the air in the boat fresh and CO2 levels normal.
Sail or power? On sailing vessels to run AC you have to start up a generator. Some sailors would prefer not to hear them at night, just run on batteries. Thus open doors and hatches.
The “upside down” scenario you described reminded me of the “Dilbert Dunker” at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. It simulates a single seat aircraft ditching and rolling upside down in water. Highly disorienting device. Pilots are trained to overcome the orientation issue by simply following their left arm…release the canopy and follow your left arm to the surface (for those that remember the 80’s movie An Officer and a Gentleman, this exact device was used in the movie). The victims of this yacht sinking had little to no chance…half awake…upside down. What a nightmare.
All offshore oil workers and helicopter crew for companies like Bristows have to do cold water full survival suit ditch training in a helicopter cabin mock up that does an inversion as it goes into the tank on a robot arm . You cannot start to get out till the waters stopped rushing in.
A young lady acting as a steward on her first job was lucky to survive . The full rundown is featured in Channel 4news or Sky ..
The mother of the infant, the infant and the father have all been discharged from hospital.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 I watch a silly & fun RUclips channel called Cleetus McFarland. Cleetus is dead serious when it comes to owning and operating aircraft. He just took his crew to the type of helicopter simulator you described, very scary. 👍
We had one at NETPDC at Pensacola NAS.
As a Yacht Captain of 24 years experience and previously an oilfield saturation diver for 12 years..I have to say I’m surprised the divers are trying to do this job with scuba gear..They need to be using surface supplied mixed gas equipment, and a proper dive support ship, with a mixed gas diving system on board. The bottom time using scuba, makes the recovery job , difficult, dangerous and long.
Those are videos that were shared the first day of operation. I don't think it's far fetched the rescue operations were still scrambling to get a proper scuba operation underway, with a a scuba support vessel on the site
@salmiakki5638 NOT scuba! Advanced surface supply system with communications, decompression chamber.
just had to drop a comment to say how amazing this video was.
Trapped in a huge stateroom of a massive yacht as water pours in and you can't get out and she's going down, absolute terror time
Pitch black too😢 It's why I prefer to stay on land. Sailors who ply the high seas to keep world trade moving are heroes!
With the yacht healed over companion ways (hall ways) are now 3-4 foot high instead of maybe 7 foot high and anything in the hall way is now in a pile on the low side making it even worse. Doors can be jammed shut with furniture and open only in strange directions. My condolences to the families of the people lost in this tragedy.
at 90 degrees the bulkheads of such a large boat are walls to be escalated in order to go out, walls of few meters of height for the largest cabins.
Nightmare scenario!
Heeled. Not healed.
@@lasersailor6684 Your right my fingers just stumbled.
@@lasersailor6684 Dude, you are such heel. Get a Nacra 17 and be cool again.
I find it amazing that there were so many survivors given the early hour.
Some guests probably went to bed late, it's not unusual for crew to be active at that hour, stewardesses cleaning up, there should be an anchor watch from deck etc
A good sailor never sleeps in bad weather.
@@willspeed6804No guests were up at 5am,the weather was very hot,people tend to sleep up on deck in that kind of weather. Also as the storm hit quite suddenly the crew would probably be up to start to rig the boat for weather.
They probably knew how to swim and probably left cell phone behind and luggage.
@@gattamom no sleeping in such condtions. Alarms are installed. 1-2 min to get up and out on deck. W/ life west
"Hatches and ports open." This is what sinks vessels when on their beam ends. As large as these yachts are, they are not designed for ultimate weather conditions. They have huge openings and wide apartment style staircases.
"Not designed for ultimate weather conditions"? That seems like a major design flaw, especially for a vessel designed for entertaining guests on. I wonder if their host welcomed them aboard by explaining "If there's a storm you will die. But my chef makes great spaghetti"
Down flooding angles are closely controlled and regulated, as is the 'limit of vanishing stability', from GM-GZ curve. Sailing vessels are conventionally designed with knockdowns taken into account. Hull form ensures that at 90 degrees deck openings are substantially clear of the water
Code after the MGM Hotel fire in Reno requires self-powered floor level exit signage like in airplanes. In that tragedy the exit passage filled with smoke and people could not find their way to exit. A tragic lesson regarding disorientation, obviously compounding the obstacles of an inverted completely jet black dark massively flooding chaos for these fit relatively young people (I'm a 74 y/o architect on a Catalina 38). So sad. This story inspires me to install emergency lighting along the sole with arrows to exit in my boat immediately and making sure everything in the cabin is stowed or tied down in place somehow, cushions and all. I shudder to think of all the crap laying about my boat. I am so grateful for everyone's comments here, especially about the basic design of such a huge Bermuda rig with all those fancy instruments and multiple heavy roller reefing jibs up high, her massive main rolled into the mast. Swing or lift keels on such a rig so dependent on righting moment (aggravated by such excessive scale) clearly must never be designed again. a death trap... except maybe in a little Catalina 22, perfect for camping. My grief for these poor terrified souls is heartfelt. We must learn to correct these basic design errors and save future lives.
One of the largest sailing ships ever built, the Preußen, had a length of 149mm and the highest mast was 68m. This jacht was 56m long, just over 1/3 of the Preußen, but its mast was 75m. Let sink in the difference. In my opinion this is madness. The fact that we have technology to manage sails exceeding a area of 500m² to 1000m² in good conditions does not mean we should. The forces generated in bad conditions are extreme, so any unforeseen condition has the potential of creating a disaster. The reason that the large sailing ships of the 19th century and early 20th century had many smaller sails was to make the sails manageable for the crew. In my view that should still be a consideration for jacht design: two masts of a reasonable height, sail area divided over a number of sails. That will reduce the risks of foul weather for boat an crew.
I've experienced LOTS of waterspouts (I sailed in the midst 12 of them at once) and they are not "tornados on the water". Yes, they are spiral funnel clouds but they are far less energetic. One might sink a boat if it dumped it's water load into the companionway and filled the boat up.
A lightning strike to an improperly grounded mast leaves a line of perforations in a perfect sinusoidal pattern where the wave tops contacted the hull for that microsecond instant that the charge was going to ground. There are all sorts of holes (it's the neatest thing to see) and it leaves your boat hull a collander but the holes are small and you have time to get off safely.
What nobody is mentioning is the Microburst. I've only encountered one in sixty years of racing sail boats and it was ferocious. They are created in violent fronts but you can't really see them. 120 MPH winds from straight above in a violent downdraft would flatten a bare pole mast like that against the surface of the water.
If the design does not push the companionway up in the air away from the water when it is on it's side, the hull will fill up in seconds and the boat goes down like a stone. It is a rare but deadly phenomenon. I knew two racing sailors who died in one. I remember the description of one ( by Buddy Melges, I think) that hit a major regatta in the US and destroyed a lot of it. He said "it was like a giant cat's paw from above landed on everyone."
Microbursts are still a myterious phenomenon, related to tornados. They even crash commercial airliners from time to time.
I think people also forget that when there are such super localised weather effects (water spouts or microbursts), nearby boats may get "missed" plus on a boat this size the pressure whether from wind or water on the bow or one beam could be very different than say towards the sterm. A yacht will therefore not react in the same way as being hit by a large wave or constant wind and therefore may not right until the specific waterspout etc has passed over.
Thanks, I think your theory is the closest to what could’ve happened…
@Peter: non sailor here reading comments on this video for over an hour and your comment highlighting the devastation of the microburst is by far one of the most meaningful ones I've read so far. Thank you for sharing.
Yes I’ve experienced a microburst in Santa Barbara and it seems very much like that
I am a past yachtsman and I can tell you two things. First of all as the tallest Bermuda sloop in the world possibly, it has an excessively tall mast and a yacht that size should be a ketch with two shorter masts, with a much reduced turning moment on the hull. Secondly, in the lovely Sicilian evening temperature all the hatches and doors would’ve been left open during the night so water can pour in . That boat is unsinkable if the hatches are closed.
@@dnicholsoncole I crewed on a sister-ship last year and I was fortunate enough to be given a guest cabin for the Atlantic crossing. I do not believe the hatches and doors were open that night or were the cause. It was 5am, besides the watch keeper everybody would have been sleeping. All the guest and crew cabins are on a lower deck and are mechanically ventilated. That means air conditioning. The port holes could not be opened without specific tools, and even on deck levels the windows can not be opened.
At anchor on what appeared to be a normal night without specific storm warnings, who would close air intakes and watertight doors?
If she was hit by a tornado like wind and capsized, what I see as a possible cause is the aft guest cockpit. It is at a lower level than the deck, and thus sunk in area is quite large. If that filled up with water in a serious heel or capsize it would have seriously affected the vessels stability.
I wait for the MAIB report. And there is no such thing as an unsinkable boat. Remember April 14, 1912…
Very useful info, thank you.
its not unsinkable
@@peterradclyffe8056 The only thing unsinkable is a block of polystyrene
@@user-dm6mk4ns3jI'm of the same thinking as you and I go a step further and sah crew entered berthing through a separate access via the aft cockpit to keep them having to trudge through the ship to resch their berths . So one bulkhead and they are out of the ship. No water to deal with just the injuries incurred in the roll over.
The divers can definitely get down in one minute. But coming back up there will be some decompression or off-gassing stops so they are not making it up in one minute. At that depth they'll be lucky to spend 5 minutes down on that wreck before needing to start ascending.
They really need some divers with rebreathers that can spend more time at depth
You can do a dive without decompression stops to 40 metres and stay there for 8 minutes before having to ascend. Recreational diving is to no more than 40 metres although I have gone to 45 metres without any effect. You can stay for 10 minutes but would need a stop at 15 metres for 5 minutes or 25 minutes at depth with a stop for 15 minutes.
This dive is to 50 metres so they would have deployed bottles for any decompression stops. We can see that some of them are diving with 2 bottles so they can stay at depth for longer.
My former boss at BRNC was a MCDO and dived on the Spirit of Free Enterprise at Zeebrugge. His description of the sights he saw was very harrowing. At least they should be able to recover the missing and from the sounds of it, they might be able to salvage the yacht as well.
@@WOTArtyNoobs video says 12 minute drive time total. That's why I was commenting on what is possible in that time frame
@@WOTArtyNoobs Depends on who's tables (PP02) the divers are using. Military tables allow much more time than sport divers get with shorter deco times, but they assume young healthy fit people.
@@dougle03 My first experience of diving was military. I qualified as a deep diver in the Red Sea. The viewer who was a commercial diver on North Sea rigs was correct. They should have used surface-supplied air instead of Scuba and a support vessel with a compression chamber just in case. The bottles do get in the way. I can imagine the difficulty of trying to navigate all the debris with dive lights. My heart goes out to the divers working this one as well as the relatives. Very difficult dealing with bodies after several days of immersion.
It also has to be remembered that as well as having a lifting keel, Bayesian also has in-mast sail furling….( for this reason, I can’t see how the mast could have snapped! ) This is like a 70 metre long roller blind, placed vertically in the mast, which winds the mainsail inside the mast when not in use. The mechanism, and the mainsail is obviously very heavy and places a lot of weight very high above the centre of gravity. At anchor, with the keel retracted and the mainsail furled inside the mast, the yah would have been in its least stable configuration. it is however designed for this…but not when hit by very high winds. One of the features of warm water thunderstorms is the possibility of microblasts under the thunder cell. These cannot be predicted, and are only of short duration, usually less than ten minutes…However, the arrive in seconds, they are very powerful and very violent, wind speeds of 150mph.. I have absolutely no no doubt that Bayesian, with its keel retracted and mainsail furled would have been knocked down very quickly and with little warning..Once on its side, there would have been massive water ingress through the large patio type doors onto the aft deck,which would probably have been open as there were apparently guests on the aft deck. and by way of the ventilation shafts for the engine room, galley and HVAC systems. They were very fortunate that so many crew and guests were awake and on deck at the time, and that the hydrostatic releases on the life rafts worked as intended. Those sleeping below deck would have had little to no chance sadly. I don’t think any blame can be apportioned in this incident, it was pure force of circumstances, and no action could or would have changed that.
When a storm is approaching, you secure all hatches and shell doors. This is not the first yacht that sank because someone forgot a shell door open. And those who left it open were responsible!
Your expert who made the assessment seems like a very knowledgeable person. As a person who was in the Navy and had to learn about exiting a flipped over vessel your assessment of the confusion is very astute. I wonder if the crew had any chance to secure watertight bulkheads in the short time before she sank. I would have thought the captain would have ordered the watertight doors to be secured as soon as he saw that the sea state was in a dangerous level. The other question I have is "if" the adjustable keel was lowered as it should have at the same time the crew was trying to secure all of the hatches and ports.
Just my questions.
A very obvious checklist! Yet it seems one or more items on it were not crossed out!
Misspell a word and the petty Betty's are all over it. Speak the wrong island and they got their knives out. People are funny.
I'm not sure if funny is the right word. A** Ho*** LOL!
It's normal for people to comment about errors. Imagine a world where errors were made and people just shrugged their shoulders. Third-world country mentality. Nobody was rude.
you've obviously never mistaken a sicilian for a sardinian before!! haha
petty Betties
@@buckystarfinger2487 oh, I think people are ridiculous is a better statement
The crew was probably on deck dealing with the weather. The chef may have been in the galley starting breakfast prep.
I appreciate your reporting very much. You strive for accuracy. You never hesitate to correct something you stated when necessary. If only the msm were even half as diligent and concerned about accuracy!
It may be even more complicated. Just my 2 cents: we learned that any ship (when not under power) would naturally turn off wind when hit by a gust of crosswind. On the anchor it's the other way around: the anchor forces the hull into the wind (which in this case is "unnatural" movement) and in this case a very deep keel is actually an obstacle as the water resistance would help the wind capsizing the boat. This certainly goes for a non-ballasted keel, while I don't know whether the ballast in the lowered position would compensate this. The other question is how many open hatches does it take to let enough water into the hull to kill any chance of recovery after the gust is over and the ship would right itself?
I had to come to this channel to get a real report on this matter
I CAN APPRECIATE HOW DETAILED YOUR REPORTS ARE . AND THE CARE IN HOW YOU GIVE THEM, AS WELL IN THE RESPECTFUL WAY YOU GIVE THEM. SO FOR THAT I THANK YOU!
@@michaelflaxcombsr9095 WHAT?
...please stop shouting
ALL CAP ABUSE!!!
Imagine not knowing how the caps key works. Woof.
Snowflakes 🥹
Imagine someone presenting themself as an expert, and saying the mast snapping would impart a capsize moment.
I have never heard of a lightning strike bringing the mast down.
Frying all the electric, electronic systems, yes.
Injuring persons aboard, yes.
Starting a fire, yes.
I've seen them do massive damage to the rigging, but these are smaller boats in the 60 ft range.
Take a look at the interiors of the yacht. When the boat goes 90 degrees if you are in one large cabin you have to escalate the bulkheads for meters in order to go out. No way out.
That provides very vivid imagery and makes perfect sense, thank you
Maybe this is a bit simplistic but if the depth is an issue for examining the yacht surely the simpler option is to bring in a floating crane or bags and either fully or partially refloating into shallower depth to allow dive crews access to explore the yacht.
Let's not make this easy. Work deep, then raise the vessel.
@@paullandreville5394😂😂😂
Probably situation i fishy fishy...they can t move a chair for insurance....very likely
He said it's about 400 tonnes. That's a lot of boat to lift.
@@matthewwakeham2206 Not if the Costa Concordia mob are still in the neighbourhood.
On the neighbouring yacht the anchor was slipping so they used the engine to keep position and direction to wind. Maybe the same happened here, but maybe they got wind from the side during that maneuvering. What also could have happened is, that a genua sail unrolled a bit due to the strong winds, which adds tilting forces to the mast and if the sail was filled with water prevents the mast from upturning.
There is surveillance video of the boat capsizing. Very nasty weather. You don't see it go over, it just disappears. The striking thing is how ridiculously tall the mast is.
This is a really strange incident. Yachts, by design, have comparatively large GMs, therefore they have large righting moments to resist the heeling moment caused by wind acting on sails. This is why SYs are notoriously hard to roll over. The reason they do roll over can be extreme wind/seas or the loss of a keel or down-flooding of water into the hull space. Some yachts will get to 90 or even 110 degrees of heel and still come back up as long as no water gets inside. The most likely scenario here is that the lifting keel was probably in the UP position and some doors or hatches were left open. The Inclining Document will list the heel angle for deck edge immersion and down-flooding. Once that is reached and if additional things are open, flooding will be rapid, indeed very rapid and most probably unrecoverable.
Back in 1998, I worked as the Chef on a 52m Perini Navi called Liberty. An absolute behemoth of a sailing yacht. It was so large that it had a dumbwaiter traversing three decklevels from the galley to the countersunk foredeck alfresco dining area which was forward of the coach house but aft of the mast. That area seated up to 20 people. When we were underway carrying full sail in a 20 knot breeze, she would heel over and standing on the windward side and looking down at the sea was the height of a three storey building.
We did a two boat Charter with Liberty for the Barcelona Olympics..I was on Classique the time.
This is really a wonderful channel, giving clear answers to all my questions, including questions I did not even know I had.
Despite the vessel being built and equipped to modern safety standards and having protections the licensing authority mandate, none of this matters if the vessel lists till its deck becomes submerged after which it capsizes and rapidly sinks.
People simply didn't have time to escape from their cabins or staterooms before the vessel was overwhelmed.
Anything not secured inside the boat will have become disrupted and may obstruct exits or trap people beneath furniture, beds, etc.
The speed of the capsize and sinking raises memories of the South African Tugboat Jascon 4, which immediately capsized and sank after being struck by a rogue wave!
Our yacht club did a life raft demonstration in the swimming pool. 2 different rafts were used. Adults with life vests were tasked with entering the raft in calm water obviously. No one was able to enter the first raft which had a webbed ladder. The second raft had a floating platform for boarding. One or two of the fittest males were capable of entering the raft and assisted others in accessing the raft. Most of the swimmers did not have the upper body strength to climb into the raft.
I was sailing a 22' sailboat and got sunk by a 100+mph microburst. I had pulled the sails down and secured but the wind was strong enough to turn the boat over and it filled with water and sank. After the fact I realized that if I would have winched the keel up to be flush with the bottom of the hull, the boat may have slid sideways and dissipated some of the forces on the windward beam of the boat. But maybe not. The forensic study of the boat will be interesting. I saw a post by Colin Macrae of Parlay Revival, that the ship that sunk is the sister ship to the sailing vessel that he crews on as the ship's chief engineer on the TV series, "Below Deck Sailing".
Yes the power of the wind can overwhelm. It is interesting to consider the hp needed to hold a car at maximum speed nearly all that power is fighting wind resistance and the car is typically shaped to minimise wind resistance!
Was out in a Sunfish and had the sail dropped down lot trying to get home in a storm, Then a gust came up so quickly it popped the Cleat by the mast and bridle at the boom end. Bent the boom too.
I've seen a land based Microburst. Partly sunny where I was, 2 blocks away a Microburst about 2 city blocks in width tossed a semi with a 20 foot trailer into the air over a guard rail and onto it's side 40 feet away in a creek! Cars were also tossed, but watching the semi was scary! Wind at 100mph is bad but Microbursts have a wall of water with that wind the sideways push is horrific!
As a very experienced sailor the keel position had nothing to do with it. If you were going to get knocked down you were going to get knocked down. Your only option would be to close the hatch boards and the companion way to keep enough water out long enough for her to come back upright. Having some canvas up actually prevents the boat from completely rolling. It will hit the water and prevent the roll from continuing further.
I personally haven't been hit by a microburst, but a friend 100 yards away got hit while I was watching. They we sailing at the time. Main got shredded and the jib was only held by the halyard being pulled straight up into the air. Ripped the tack right out of it.
@@otm646 Yes, I should have closed the companionway and we would not have sunk. One of the reasons I mentioned winching up the keel is that when the keel was winched flush with the bottom of the hull, you could turn the boat with the rudder, but the boat would continue in the same direction even though the bow was pointed 90 degrees to the direction of travel. The boat just slid across the top of the water sideways. Lower the keel (daggerboard) a few inches below the hull and the boat's direction of travel would change with the change in the rudder position (like a normal boat). We recovered the boat, replaced the mast and rigging and came in 2nd in the same race the following year (Race for the Case between Gulfport and Biloxi, Ms.
Firstly, I would like to express my condolences to all the relatives of the victims. I would also like to thank eSysman for his objective reporting.
On the one hand, it is astonishing that a ship of this size could not withstand the weather conditions. On the other hand, I fear that it was precisely this assumption, which has now been proven wrong, that handled the accident.
The theory that the lifting keel was not extended but in the upper position seems to me a logical cause for things going wrong so quickly.
I would like to mention two other aspects that may have contributed to the accident.
1) The boom is usually fixed overnight and the mainsheet is kept tight to prevent movement and ‘noise’. However, the profiled boom provides a surface for the wind to attack. In my opinion, this would not be so bad if the ship was only moored to an anchor and could swing freely.
2) However, if the ship is lashed with two anchors (in a ‘V’ or ‘Y’ formation), which is often standard for larger ships when anchoring, then the ship's swing radius is restricted and the ship cannot yield as well to the attacking wind.
It would therefore be just as important to know whether the mainsheet was tight and whether one or two anchors were deployed and, finally, whether the engines were still trying to turn the ship into the wind (which is much more difficult if two anchors were deployed).
However, the investigation will show what handled the accident
So the keel was almost certainly in a partial / fully raised position that tall mast and rigging would have had sufficient wind loading to take the hull into a rapid overturning moment around the anchor .. open windows and doors would complete the unrecoverable sinking som sad . such a beautiful yacht ..
No need to apologize for saying Sardina instead of Sicily.
You do an amazing twork with your videos.
Keep educating and entertaining us and please, ignore the idiots that do nothing but criticising you and other youtubers.
A great update thx.
Prayers for all ❤
ESysman is good!
Professional detailed report.
I've been watching him for years. (Since the fake porsche ads. Iykyk😅)
As an offshore worker I fully understand and grasp what you are saying when upside down. We do that in a helicopter and the minute it turns upside down you automatically think left is right and visa versa, even though its not
This is really sad....Thank you my friend for the update on this sad sinking Yacht....
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The chance of escaping a boat upside down is limited, even for someone fully aware of the vessel lay out. I did a Gas Rig coarse. As part of that you are strapped into a "chopper rig" set up in a pool thats turned upside down. You have to removed the seat belt and head to the exit. Its only a short swim, you look at the exit as you go under but as soon as the seat belts and wires and other bits of junk start floating and the water is swooshing around you its confusing AF. One guy failed and had to be rescued even though its only 6-8 of water with NO wind No tide No wave motion etc.
This is huge tragedy, thinking of people who were sleeping down below at the time of the incident. I agree with the role of the raised keel (do not understand why it was not down in 50 m depth). I also think that the mast's height could contribute to the heeling when the wind pushed from the side. However, everybody is talking about the waterspout, which I think could not do this to the boat. It would do a lot of damage, but while it is a rotating mass (let's say 10 meters in diameter), it would not steadily push in one direction. Of course, the investigation will give us the answers and I do not wat to speculate, but as I remember there was a disaster few days ago in Baleares. This was not tornade, but on the contrary, a cold drop. The cold separated mass of cold air from Atlantic got here in high altitude, then when the moisture from heated med. sea raises, it will start falling down and accelerate. This is like vertical wind. When it reaches the sea level, it spreads to all sides and accelerate again, mostly just above the waterline. This can create such a strong wind which pused the boat for some while in one direction, causing it to heel too much (raised keel and area of the mast). Once heeled, the wind pushes more to the exposed hull on the waterline. If the beem of the boat is too wide, then it is critical from next comming waves (but in this case the wind). We sailors have a formular called CAPSIZE RATIO, or capsize screening formula. I did not find this ratio for this yacht, but I think it could be calculated. I would focus on this parameters too.
As a captain of another Perini I can say that captains routinely do things from complementary. Where the doors shut? Was the watch person watching the radar to see the front? Was the keel raised? Thes3e Perinis routinely sail on their anchors when the wind was strong. The windage on this rig are huge. She laid Over and I'd the doors weren't closed she turtled quickly.
I have worked on a Perini Navi there is no way hatches were open. The AC would be running 24/7 . The mast being so tall and big would create massive windage. The mast on this yacht was one of the tallest masts in the world. If a waterspout hit them this would be capable of capsizing the yacht. I have a problem with who was on watch that night. The boat in front of them recognized the storm, started its engines, and was able to stay safe by maneuvering his boat to accommodate the wind shifts.
This Perini has only one giant mast, unlike the others.
The on watch obviously had roused the crew to secure the deck for winds but would have been unlikely to start the main engines at 5am with the owner & VIP guests on board! For a front going over that size of yacht is usually fine at anchor, unless this particular design & rig is particularly tender?
This Perini was a sloop
@@jackdbur The Captain has the final say the owners are just that owners with no clue on how to run a yacht that is why the hire a professional . He can start the engines at any time the yach is in jeopardy.
@@katoosh1 They didn't know that they were in danger yachts don't usually have Doppler radar. The captain is beholden to the owner for his job continuance! Annoying the owner & his VIP guests at 5am may not be good. I'm sure that if the captain knew that the front had such violent winds he would have started the engines and lowered the centerboard.
They could have used oil rig divers with a diving bell. They can live underwater for weeks at a time, giving unlimited time at the wreck.
Indeed recent media reports issued in the afternoon of 20.08 say that rescue divers found that the mast did not break.
If the rig is not broken that makes the salvage dramatically easier. It'll be refloated for sure.
With in-mast furlong, it would be highly unlikely to break imo
5:41 This is only true in specific conditions. If the rig has failed and the boat is at an angle of extreme heel having the rig and specifically canvas in the water dramatically reduce the rate at which it comes back upright.
I'm an experienced sailor/racer who has dealt with rig failures and lightning strikes.
1 minute down... 10 minutes bottom time, and 30 min or so back up... Not 1 minute up. Good coverage though....
As an ex north sea tech diver on air used to do 45 minute decompression stop for 10 minutes bottom time
You can cut decompression down by using travel/ decompression mixes 40% &. 100% 02
They'll only be able to do 2 or 3 dives a day due to nitrogen loading
Assuming they're not using tri-mix
think points are about 10 minutes on the bottom. there is no point in correcting unfairness. the most important thing was to show people who know nothing about diving that it is not possible to work on the bottom for a long period of time without other equipment and a pressure chamber. very good job by esysman. polite, respectful and very correct.
Semantics
@@sailaway8244 Were the two divers I saw wearing only a single tank support/safety divers above 160'? single tank at that depth seems sketchy. Also, wouldn't you get a pretty good narc-high going with air at 160'?
@sailaway8244 any reason they wouldn't be using a ccr?
Just read a BBC article that intervoewd the doctor that oversaw the rescued people:
"Survivors of the Bayesian yacht say the ship "capsized within a few minutes", according to a doctor treating them."
"One British mother, Charlotte Golunski, was on board the Bayesian with her partner and held her baby above the waves as help arrived."
But in the captions of the doctor speaking " ... but her mother managed to pick her up, held her above the water level and get into the safety raft that had luckily already been launched a few minutes earlier".
One would need to know the path taken by the survivors from their staterooms to the "exit" and whether such path allowed them to see crew launch a raft or whether as you explained raft self launched. (Though self launching might have had greater time lapse between people leaving a boat still above water and a boat having sunken enough to trigger release of the rafts).
Hopefully you will get to the bottom of this and find out the proper sequence of events. Also curious on what triggered most to get up and evacuate while 6 didn't (and whether their location meant for intance they were already underwater or unable to leave).
QUESTION: would lights remain on during the sinking to help passengers swim in boat to reach stairwell up ? or would salt water typically get lights off early in the sequence leaving passengers in total darkness, making it much harder to orient yourself towards an exit?
The six most important VIPs perished, their larger rooms might have been lower down in the hull
The ship service generator would instantly cut out at a certain angle unless the batteries kick in automatically you go black.
My smeller is off on this one now. Many thanks for the update.
Im happy to see this reporting. Based on reality.
And not the pathetic main stream media!!!
A lifted keel is the first theory I've heard that makes sense. I was wondering if the keel failed and broke off. A ship with 70m tall sails must have an equally vast righting moment, and it's hard imagine nearby boats surviving a wind powerful enough to overcome that righting moment while blowing on the bare mast. But lift or break the keel and most of that righting moment goes away.
Yes but I’m wondering why the keel would have been lifted in 50m of water?
I capsized 90° twice during a horrendous storm in the north atlantic on a former whitbread and Ostar yacht. It's a world changer! Just Imagine this happening to your house in a matter of seconds...
Thank you for explaining the life raft boat. I was wondering "how"...
I'm not sure what dive tables the rescue divers are using but a quick check on Buhlmann Dive Tables, a 51m dive only allows five mins at the bottom with a one minute stop at 3m.
A longer dive will incur more decompression stops on ascent.
A rebreather or open circuit dive using trimix would be highly recommended giving the divers a longer time at the bottom with mandatory decompression stops.
Excellent coverage. Thank you.
If the vessel was at anchor, why would the wind have been on the beam enough for this to cause a capsize? Why wouldn't the boat have rounded up into the wind causing her bow to bear the brunt of the wind? Was a stern anchor dropped too or something?
It was hit by a microburst from an active thunder cell. They come in seconds at hurricane speed, and very often from an entirely unexpected direction..a microburst is a very powerful downdraught from a thunder cell that impacts the surface of the water, then radiates outwards in all directions…Think of spraying a pressure washer against a pane of glass.
Wow! No keel at anchor?!? That sounds like a catastrophic design issue.
Were ports open? On both sides? (temperature perfect, so open port sleeping). On it's side, the ports would be firehose water streams - don't see how anyone could get out out get down to help the trapped get out. )Although an axe at a top side ports is a question - was that attempted?)
Thanks for your great coverage on this story.
5:00 AM, you wake up suddenly with the boat on its side ... it's pitch black, and the door to your cabin is above your head ... that's not a situation with a high probability of survival. The people who were up and about, and on the deck (captain, crew, and a few guests), were the ones who had a chance to get (or get dumped) into the water.
Question for anyone who might know this: why would you raise the keel in 50 m of water? Wouldn't the boat be more steady, and more comfortable, with the keel down?
Positive thoughts for all affected by this tragedy.
I have been sailing yachts since I was a child and worked as Jim Sherwood’s full time skipper for six years at the end of the sixties into the early seventies. I am a "Yacht Master Ocean" and though I no longer work commercially I still sail whenever I can. My last commercial command was a 76 foot Sloop from 1997 to 2022 ( with some breaks). This yacht was based in Italy and we cruised extensively in the Mediterranean. We were knocked down off Anzio in a line squall in about 1970, and were caught in a similar event in 2015 (or there about) in Volcano; on that night over 200 boats of various sizes were sunk or beached.
The major point that I wish to make is that there are too many yachts and, in particular, too many large yachts. Yachting is suffering from the same blight as the tourist industry. Too many people in the popular spots.
Ports and anchorages are congested forcing captains to choose anchorages that would never have been considered safe twenty years ago. Look at the map (chart) and see where the Bayesian was anchored. That is not a sheltered anchorage; it is open to every wind except the south-west, and even that shelter is reduced by the fact the boat was moored a long way out from the coast.
So why did they anchor there? Because the ports and anchorages that are safe are full. There are also a limited number of ports that can take a yacht of that size.
So she was forced to anchor in a dangerous position…..
Now whether or not the boat actually sank through human error or design fault is neither here nor there; SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANCHORED THERE.
My first thought was “chabusco”.
My second : hmmm..why anchored THERE? Size? crowds? Did not seem ideal. Or safe considering SOME bad weather had been predicted.
Thanks for pointing that out to all.
You are absolutely correct.
A sailing yacht with out a mast does have more stability, but that's not always a good thing.
There are stories of "J" Class yachts in the 1930's being dismasted, but the roll movement ends up being reduced to the stage where it's impossible to stand on the deck.
Seen a video of the incident. It was night with high gusts coming through, then a pause, then a white out. The ships lights, deck lights and masthead were visible until the whiteout, when it cleared the lights were gone. It was seconds. Apparently, it was a powerful downdraft far stronger than the 50 knots gusts previously in the area. The yacht's draft keel down is 9m and sea depth 12-15 m so it's likely the keel was half raised. That would be OK for the 50 knots gusts but no way could such a downdraft greatly exceeding 50knots be expected.
Exactly how many minutes is the video? Was there foul weather and heavy swells going on before the video started at5:30am italy time
Prayers for all 🙏
Correct information: After 10 minutes at 50 meters on air, a 40 to 50 minute ascent time is required, not one minute.
With 50 meters of water under the boat why would they retract a 10 meter keel? At anchor, the added stability (comfort) provided by a low center of gravity is a benefit not to be neglected. It doesn't make sense.
Actually the centreboard when down on those things moves enough to vibrate through the boat and is bloody annoying. We never dropped ours unless sailing upwind in a decent breeze. I bet none of the other Perini Navi's ever lowered theirs when anchored either.
I agree. Doesn't make sense. Time to salvage the girl, see what happened.
i highly doubt they anchored in 50 meters of water, pretty sure they dragged and were in 20 meters originally.
@@michaelcrane2475You are talking about a centerboard, that is something different than a lifting keel. A keel actually contains weight for stability of the vessel, a centerboard is just for creating lift while sailing to improve sailing performance.
@sailorlac 50m is a LOT of anchor chain/line if you're 5 or 6 to 1.
You,and this channel, are all over the news here in USA
I think that so many of the crew survived because, at that time of day, they all would have been up and on duty while the guests would have been asleep in their cabins. The captain should have stayed on board as long as he/she had duties that would aid in life-saving efforts, but not gone "down with the ship."
He likely had no choice once the ship was on its side, tipped into the sea or Captaining whilst stood on the side of the sinking hull makes very little difference, nothing could be done.
Dear Conspiracy Theorists here. Its stretching it a bit much to think that now we can create tornadoes (waterspouts). If the keel was up then the vessel at anchor would be so much more unstable than the surrounding boats, hence the capsize. "Wrong place at the wrong time" is a much more likely scenario than the Secret Tornado Generator deployment.
Besides, how does this marvellous machine direct the tornado's path once generated? Please share as I am ignorant as to this detail.
Exactly. Theseconsporacy theorists are really a special species ;-)
Reporting of this is first class. Sad ending to this story for those on board.
You wouldn't normally expect a vessel of this size to be overwhelmed at an anchorage regardless of the weather conditions. At this stage the only thing that is clear is that a catastrophic event happened too quickly for the crew to react even though they were clearly on deck dealing with "a situation". My thoughts are with the families of all those lost. I'm sure the relevant authorities and MAIB will carry out a thorough investigation and lessons, probably many lessons, will be learnt or re-learnt. The incident reminds me of the loss of the MV Flag Theofano during a terrible storm in the Eastern approaches to the Solent in 1990 which resulted in the total loss of Ship and crew. I was on a ship hit by a water spout many years ago and whilst alarming it was by no means catastrophic albeit that the ship was much larger than this yacht.
It is a lot longer than a minute to come back up from 50mtrs, it will be around 5 minutes, they would also require safety stops probably 3mins at 10mtrs and another minute at 3mtrs. Not got my dive tables with me otherwise I would give accurate timings. PADI dive instructor, BSAC certified.
It did seem a bit quick on the return imho- thanks for the clarification
@andrewdoherty737 just wondered why did the search divers (supposedly pros) on air; and, rebreather would be a good alternative.
@@arthuryu1905 very few rescue diver units have rebreathers available also the supply of mixed gases like nitrox would also be restricted. I'm sure their intent was to get down there to see if it was possible that someone had survived or even surviving now in an air pocket. It does appear from media videos that they are using twin 10Ltr cylinders Nitrox filled.
Depends on the divers! Yes 1 min is far too quick, but sport diver tables have huge amounts of safety built in; military tables are far more generious. Even so, a 50m dive on a single tank and tiny 3L pony is deffo not advised regardless of the PP02 being used, military have been known to go as far as 1.1 whereas sport divers should be at least 1.6 or 2.0
@@dougle03 maximum PO2 for any sort of sports diving is 1.8 I have dived to 63mtrs on air, but it was a bounce dive (i.e. go there and come straight back up to a 'safe' depth) at 50mtrs on air you get around 5mins before deco starts racking up. Many Rebreather divers regularly rack up 2 ~ 2.5 hours of deco.
The yacht mast is 71 meters. The sea bottom is 50 m. Mast works as spring, and yachts don't compete full turn in the water. But instead of this top of the mast hit the ground and pushed the yacht back in slow opposite movement. Water goes in at the double rate, begins trimming back and forth, and "the problem happened".
That's possible but there are voids on board which are sealed plus Styrofoam and 3 or 4 each, storeroom doors should be closed😢 watertight engine room closed airtight, for buoyancy