I am one of those owners that watches you. Our captain always insists on life jackets for the kids etc. when in position to be exposed to the water. At the start of every cruise the Chief Stew takes the kids on a tour even if they are ours (ours say boring) and makes sure they know to tell an adult if they see certain things, and then what to do if certain things happen like fire or a person goes overboard and there are no adults around. However, and thank you Sys-it waters down when it comes to the adults. We get a briefing on where to be when the submarine is being moved or the tenders are being put in the water, the helicopter is landing etc. but thanks to you the complacency is over. My Captain called me and said he wants to start a new safety program without exemption that we all have to go through when we board and before anyone has drink to get a better idea of what to do if something were to happen. Thank you five stars as always ESys
Submarine? Helicopter? How much fun is that!! I would add the important safety tip. Don't step on a fish hook. 🙄 I saw it happen as a kid while on a kids, shore-based fishing excursion. Kids and fishing lines everywhere and minimal shoes.
Bless you & your Capt. for taking up the lessons on this unbelievable tragedy. I've wondered how scary that would have been for everyone in my mind, to then imagine having it on the sea at night, it had to be absolute terror 😭
Bravo and Thank you for sharing this with us all.. and your kudos to Esysman !! I have had plenty of billionaire and millionaire friends but just Based on what you have said and the fact that you shared it tells me that you are one of those rare individuals that have done well and yet do not allow their arrogance and or self-absorption to interfere with the best choices that you can make to preserve the lives of those that you love and those that are around you... You deserve whatever you have been able to achieve, and you have a lucky family and friends. Stay the person that you are.. under any and all circumstance.
In 2019, I lost five close friends at once when they were trapped by a fire on a dive boat in California. None of the crew were awake when the fire broke out, despite there being a requirement for someone to remain on watch. Three of my friends were RN’s who, like me, had also spent time working as first responders…meaning they knew how to handle themselves in an emergency. There was a hatch my friends could have used to escape the fire when it blocked the stairs, yet the hatch was never opened. I’m fairly certain no one pointed that hatch out to them when they came aboard, otherwise they would have at least tried to open it. I hope regulations are enacted, where emergency drills become mandatory on all passenger boats, so that people trapped down below have at least some chance of survival.
I thought of this tragedy today. You are referring to the aft hatch. It was pretty small and practically inaccessible. Knowing about it at least would have given them a chance. Very sorry for your loss, that was just terrible.
@@mbspoobahyes, it was a small aft hatch. We’ll never know if an escape was possible, because no one tried opening it. The crew quickly abandoned ship, leaving every passenger to die down below. I have no idea how they live with themselves.
We lived right on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario. A freak waterspout jumped over our house and dumped thousands upon thousands of gallons of water in our neighbors backyard. I have also seen waterspouts materialize in an instant in the gulf off of S Florida. I think that people who are downplaying the potential impact of “water tornados” have never witnessed the incredible force that these phenomena can carry, and just how small of an area they can cover.
One thing that may be worth clarifying - especially for the American audience - is that in Italy the judiciary has a constitutional OBLIGATION to open a criminal procedure against people whenever people die. The fact there is a criminal investigation on this case is no different and it’s just a consequence of this constitutional obligation. They are not doing because they think someone has to be charged and put to jail. They are doing it because its the law: you cannot not open a criminal investigation trying to understand if someone has to be charged if people died. That is the constitutional starting point , not a discretionary decision (or conclusion) by the judges So do not read too much into that
have a sailing yacht 47.5 Meters very similar to the Bayesian, ours is S/Y MITseaAH. We have a similar tall mast and boom, a Marina deck at the stern, a keel that moves down when sailing and up for power operation. This event has made me revisit all operations aboard our vessel. My heart sank when I heard about this incident and especially the loss of life.
Beautiful boat! And I love how nautical, warm & cozy it feels despite its size! (as opposed to the look & feel of a slick condominium like the boat under discussion here)
Yet: anything can happen. Those "water spouts" sometimes seem to have a mind of their own, like hurricanes and their accompanying twisters of all sizes. Very mysterious.
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I worked on private yachts for 20 years as chief stew/cook/mate and was one of the few crew who didn't drink. The irresponsibility I witnessed with crew was alarming. When working a job like that and being responsible for someone's floating mansion and peoples safety, we must always be sober minded and vigilant. It happened a few times when I would secure all portholes and doors prior to being underway, a guest would open portholes after being told not to. People need to realize the importance of responsibility and order while at sea.
Yes, the crew have a duty to be careful about safety; and perhaps owners and guests feel an absolute right to do as they please, without considering safety enough. Foolish.
I'm a Port State Control Examiner for the USCG, and I examine foreign yachts that visit our ports. I tell every crew, ALL PASSENGERS (owner or guest) should be taking part in drills for emergencies. If you don't, then you could ultimately die from ignorance. Money won't save you, but knowing how to effectively escape a sinking vessel can. Also, all vessels are sinkable. It's a shame people say that about some vessels. I think it does the industry a disservice to say something as atrocious as that to mariners. A true mariner knows everything necessary to survive at sea. All others are just spectators willing to roll the dice with their life. Rich or not. Awesome coverage of the incident. Definitely following your page. Cheers.
Where did I hear that before ? Sounded like “ Even God could’ve not sink the TITANIC”. But it sank. And I gave no idea about even sailing a regular little boat. Thanks!
I'm of the opinion that boat drills would have made no difference... Imagine your the passenger in your large stateroom. You've had your one drill, your dosing off, and the huge yacht your enjoying is suddenly,and violently knocked down... Everything is thrown to the Lee side...including you. In a large stateroom,you could be thrown 10 meters. Your injured, heavy things are falling on you,the power is gone, it's pitch black, the waters rushing in, the screaming has started,an alarm may be howling, your half conscious and confused... Could YOU make it out? You could practice for years, and everything still has to go perfectly, and your reactions be instinctive for you to survive...an occasional guest dosnt have anywhere near the training and experience...those deeper below decks had no chance.
Good point: and probably very close to what happened there Once again: a competent officer on watch looking at the radar could have avoided all of this....
One look at that top heavy MAST with all its weighty stuff attached even without the sail pulled up would give me pause. Then to discover this super yacht does not even possess a proper KEEL, I would be hesitant to go to sea in the Bayesian, much less sleep at anchor with the keel retracted and the hotel sized windows right at the waterline fully opened, IN A MISTRAL? Sleep on deck or spend the night in a hotel, trust your survival instincts.
We're going to find out wether or not,that the crew was already on deck, tending to things in deteriorating weather...then they suddenly got slammed. I'm thinking this is more a microburst scenario...very unfortunate.
@relaxer37 Your comment seems entirely fake and would suggest you are prone to exaggeration and a degree of attention seeking. At no point during the video was there any sign of him being emotional. Why do you feel the need to make things up?
I agree w relaxer. Sysman is crisper- encrispado. He is hitting on all the crucial life details. I myself add the "karma"/nature alive one: mistakes are not all forgiven. the reply from the other person is terrible -- karma, buddy: it will find you like it finds all of us. Ps biggerissue's acct is 1 yr old: he has definitely some bigger issue.
@@biggerissues6085 When eSysman mentioned the body of Hannah Lynch was recovered, he showed emotion. You just have missed it. Moreover…, if you have nothing good to say, better stay silent. Why do you feel you have to make such a nonsensical comment? Are you perhaps the attention seeker?
He is not so much angry as frustrated. Having served at sea for so many years he will have seen all the bad practices that go on and which he was effectively powerless to correct, (despite the presentations, paperwork and official line that would say otherwise), that no doubt led to this tragedy
Your continued coverage is the best I've ever seen on any topic. I appreciate your detailed explanations as well your compassion and professionalism. I'd imagine new rules will issued do to this catastrophic event. Mother nature will always win.
Thanks for the update and very good points. As a professional captain and owner of three yachts for many years I have been mentioning most of what you say already for days. People talking about this accident should be aware that this is not a perfect world and we should learn form this but blaming one or another is easy but not fair. In this case where a nearby ship survived it is clear that something immense hit them and disaster could have hardly be avoided. And sure, the lifting keel maybe up has not helped in any way. But also there. Most yachts sail under engine with the keel up and not drop it while on anchor. I would have and in most instances I did for 70% of the time. Yes, probably aft hatch open, maybe watertight doors. And for sure, owner and guests not briefed properly. It all leads to this and making owners aware that these drills are vital is important. I brief guests (almost weekly) always since they are guests on our ships. Therefor it is easy, they have to listen. But having worked on a super yacht I know that with the owner on board it is quite different.
Sir. I’m not a boaty and actually I can’t remember why I subscribed… I love this channel and this is possibly your most important video EVER. You were a tad nervous at the start but when you got into the ‘crew quarters and sleep deprivation… safety orientation and changes in situation’ your seamanship expertise shone thru….you’ve clearly done this xxxx.For owners that watch this content …this is a game changer….no longer can you say “children must wear buoyancy aids’ …… our sons and daughters are serving the strawberry’s and tea in the glorious sunset evening’s, they have the right to live and survive ….. you are responsible for all souls when conditions change. Please keep up this content… do not stop digging… we all should sleep in our bunks SAFELY
I'm not a yacht owner, but I'm still a fan of this channel. Quite shocking to hear that emergency drills for the owners and guests are not standard procedure!
a well run boat will have a very basic cover of like "this is what the emergency sounds are, this is where your life jacket is, this is where we want you to go in an emergency, but thats about it
@@Simon-ho6ly I've been on a few charters and most of the time, there wasn't any safety drills. Also on some of the yachts it wasn't very obvious where things like lifejackets were inside cabins. I think that is a very short sighted decision that may be because interior design trumps safety. If I were ever fortunate enough to become an owner, I would make this a required part of the boat tour. This is the sun deck, here are the life rafts, these are the escape routes. It need not take much and every guest should be familiar with this type of briefing from flying.
This was a big problem for those on the Costa Concordia too. Amazing how it takes diasters and loss of life, before policies are implemented across the board.
Why is there a warning from eSysman Superyachts to all viewers of this cast. Are we ultra sensitive about this tragedy when no one appears to have mentioned you negatively. Whatever happened to free speech?
Narcissists think they're special, and that they're too special for anything to happen to them (as if the world would stop turning if it did). They are delusionally grandiose...and believe rules and laws apply to other but not to them. This is part of the diagnostic criteria for doing a differential diagnosis. The more of a braggart and boaster someone is, the more narcissistic they are. They are the men, women, and teens, who need to display their wealth because they think others will "admire" them, and they are driven by obtaining public admiration from others. This is a very real, and very prevalent disorder in the broader population. It's very common in work-a-holics and certain billionaires, mega-millionaires, and the people at your local country club. Yes, seriously. Narcissists destroy the fabric of society with their disregard for the safety of others, much in the same way sociopaths and psychopaths do the same, but for different (but similar) reasons. They all believe they are above the law, and the rules of society.
To be fair, there's probably no drill for navigating a dark passageway that's been rotated 90 degrees and the wall is now the "floor", the hatch will now be sideways and you have to crouch and climb through it, and do all that while taking on water AND after having been knocked out of bed or off the couch.
I spent 3 years working offshore and another 20 in the mining industry. You cannot anticipate every situation and train for it, that is not the only purpose of doing the drills. For me, the drills equip you to be robotic and safe in mist of danger. Unfortunately I have worked on sites where people have died, and you do not want to be dealing with equipment and procedures for the first time when you are dealing with such an event.
"Unsinkable" a bold statement, a little like saying an un-spinable aircraft in aviation. Not being involved with Super Yachts I am surprised there no requirement for a qualified person on the bridge at all times, and no safety Drills for Guests. My career dictated I had to attend a Helicopter Under Water Escape Drills Regularly, I can confirm it is really disorientating when you go upside down under water, then have to escape from the cabin, and thats in a swimming pool environment, and knowing ahead of time it is going to happen.
I'm a person who could not even remotely think about buying a superyacht and I haven't ever been a guest on one in my life but I can tell you that without fail I have watched your YT channel for years. I find your style of videos extremely informative and enjoyable to watch and I like your style of reporting. You seem like an authentic and genuinely kind and caring person and we just don't have enough of that in this world so that's another reason why I continue to watch your videos. If my fortunes ever changed and I was suddenly able to afford a stay on a superyacht for a holiday, asking me to participate in emergency preparedness drills would not upset me or hinder my enthusiasm as a guest one bit. Participating in potentially life saving drills sounds like best practices to me so I would consider this a very reasonable expectation as a guest. I don't think that guests or owners should consider their participation in emergency drills as an inconvenience to endure but rather as a necessary investment of time that could potentially save their lives. Pleasure is one thing, but it should never be at the expense of everyone's safety and that includes the owners, their guests and their valued crew members. Thanks for doing such a marvelous job covering this very tragic story. Im very sorry that so many lives were lost in this event. I pray for all of those people who were lost as well as for those who were lucky enough to survive the ordeal. Stay safe and God bless you.
i am not saying safety drills have no value but there is no safety drill in the world that would have helped these people trapped in their cabins when the boat had capsized. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best.
Well said! I also have never sailed on a yacht. However, in the 1950’s & 60’s my father was in the US Navy. At the time, families were often transported across the oceans by passenger ship. At 72, I have vivid memories of being 3 years old and traveling with my mother and baby sister from San Francisco to Honolulu by sea. A few years later we crossed the Atlantic from the US east coast to live in North Africa. The return trip was aboard an actual 1960’s cruise ship, the USS Independence. Decades later I saw her anchored in Honolulu while I was on a business trip. I well remember the safety drills every voyage, when all aboard were mustered to the decks. I am appalled at the seemingly lax standards on private vessels. They might have saved lives on the Bayesian tragedy. Emphasis on “might” because freak storms happen.
It seems to me that you are all misrepresenting the words of the CEO of the Italian Sea Group. He said that the sailing ship was unsinkable if the crew had followed normal safe navigation procedures. Since this was not done and hatches were left open and the drift lifted with a strong storm coming in then the ship sank only because of inexperience or malice, not because of any defects in the ship.
@@sgviti the words "unsinkable" shouldn't be used with any vessel. I don't care what rules are followed or how good the crew is, if mother nature wants to claim something, she damn well will.
Thank you for speaking the truth about rich reality. As a CPA and senior auditor to Billionaires, seldom do they want or care for realtity, truth and bluntness. Workers are rewarded for " respect and difference" A person earning a billion is different from the person spending a billion. Arrogance is the deadly sin.
I think this is one of your best videos ever...!! You hit on all the key points of the uncertainty of rushing to blame until both the vessel and crew are investigated in detail. Your SAFETY summary, especially when it comes to guests and owners participating in drills is timely and this event shows a weakness we have all had as captains in not doing an actual muster station drill with guests rather than the introductory talk we mostly do. Well done!
unless the safety drill is going to include a free climbing course, an underwater swimming course all done blindfold there isn’t a safety course in the world that would have helped these people. I’d it us ouch dark, The ship is on its side and the cabin door is 20’ above your head - how are you supposed to reach it never mind open it and find your way out?
@supertuscans9512 Given that some of the guests and most of the crew did escape I don't think it stayed as bad as you describe. I can easily imagine the initial knock-down then righting to a leeward list as immense downflooding from the open Aft sliding doors caused bodily sinkage as she slowly went down by the stern in 12-15 minutes . There was time if they could visualize the escape route in the dark But my point is that an improvement on guest training to find their escape options is not a bad thing in the industry Maybe it should even be made mandatory
@@supertuscans9512 You're right IF the yacht rolled on the surface. Something weird happened in the hour between dragging anchor and sinking but hey-ho what do I know except AIS appears to show Bayesian was stern to the wind for that hour..
Hi, Many years ago, my parents paid for a trip on the Sail Training Ship, Sir Winston Churchill. At that time vital was part of the Outward Bound organisation which encouraged young people to experience things outside their comfort zones. I was very fortunate. The memories of the first two days at sea, leaving Birkenhead & travelling down the St George's channel and the Irish Sea in a force 9 gale were an experience, where I learnt how insignificant we are, when it comes to the power of nature. It is so sad that we have lost an entrepreneur to an avoidable setbof circumstances. I am a Rotarian who is responsible for Health & Safety in my District in England. The investigation is essential but your comments that owners & guests must take part in safety drills is spot on. Thanks for a great channel and take care. Andy
The combination of the height of the mast with a keel centerboard is so ungainly that the vessel is entirely dependent on human decision. It can't take care of itself like a well balanced boat. Scary
As a boat owner myself you always need to be up to speed with the weather but things change so quickly on the water, when it comes to personal safety you cannot prepare enough, my few basic rules are that I keep knives at strategic points on the boat, everyone must have pfds on, coils of rope at strategic points, and I always tow a decent sized inflatable boat, when things go wrong on the water they go wrong quick.
I was a day charter skipper on a dinky type of sweet yacht ( westsail 32) working on the West Coast in South Africa many years ago. One day when I was berthing a guest put his hand out and it was crushed between a wooden post and the chain plate. I remember how quickly a perfect day turned into a nightmare. My boss had the man rushed to hospital and operated on. -: I feel tremendous compassion for the Captain and crew at this dreadful time! Thanks for this wonderful video.
I've had a think I know what happened, and you are hearing it here first!!! They dropped the keel for stability in a panic.....and it just kept going to the bottom.... the yacht capsized immediately. I bet they find the keel separate from the hull!! They saw the weather, first instinct was to stabilize, they dropped the keel, it keep going. The chocking mechanism when fully deployed failed. VERY HEAVY KEEL, Deployed too fast?
There was a warning issued with plenty of time to prepare apparently, enough time to get the guests off the boat onto dry land until the storm blew over.
Thanks for your in-depth reporting on this issue. You are THE best source for this story. I've gone on the Telegraph, New York Times, other RUclips channels, etc., and your provide the best coverage. I also like how you call out the conspiracy theories and debunk the rumors. You're an experienced source.
I did military water survival and night ditching. It takes several days to work up to the final exercise. They blindfold you turn the vessel upside down and selectively block exits that you only find they are blocked when you try to open them. You must then find the breed exit in the dark. In the dark under water you do not know which way is up. No air equals panic very quickly. Once you panic you are done. Yes drills are important. Given how quickly this vessel sunk I doubt they had much of a chance. Escaping the interior.
@@tarverr.mcknightjr4439 The crew would have been topside getting ready for the day and addressing the weather - anchor dragging, turbulence etc. A sudden knockdown and they would have been thrown into the water. Same for the guests who were on deck. The life raft automatically detaches and inflates. (There were 4 apparently and they managed to snag one of them)
@@tarverr.mcknightjr4439 I have no idea. I assume that they had a clear route out through the front hatch. Just a guess until the report comes out. I think the video indicated the engineers cabin was in the back of the boat.
Thanks for sharing. With all the beds, bedding, any furniture, clothing, etc. plus water and in the dark, I'd be surprised if any survivors were on the side of the boat that went down first. Looks like starboard side, but haven't heard that said. It would have been hard for those on high side.
I was a guest on a dive yacht off Cairns many years ago . Give them their due, we were hardly off the dock before a full safety briefing was carried out. Perhaps the SOPs for day charters are different from when the owner is on board for an extended trip. When surveying a boat safety is always top priority but many ignore basic safety including, in some cases, even the body issuing quality or compliance qualifications, or they try to passs some of that responsibility over to others. Not room here to quote specifics but bottom line is "Dead is Dead" safety should never be passed over. Water is not our natural environment and can be dangerous. For example in the USA alone an average of 10 people a year die from just falling into a marina.
Worked as a yacht skipper for several years and a deck hand before that and never known a boat owner or guests ever participating in any emergency drills!
@@mirandahotspring4019 cause its somehow not deemed important just like esysman shows its not to important otherwise the message would not have been all the way at the end of the vid but more in the start just to get the point across.not everybody watches till the end and it is a very important message in my eyes especially considering the lack off the training of the owners .
Voilà. Probably there is some mathematical anthropological IQ money formula for these situations. I had a small Everglades boat: unsafe pax never again allowed. The Everglades can be as deadly as The Mediterranean
The 40ft sailing mono that I raced on was only meters away from the Catamaran that flipped in New Zealand and was not touched at all. It ripped a very defined path through the marina. I can definitely see how this has happened!! I photographed this from the top of the mast the day after the event. It was quite unbelievable!!
Appreciate your comment. Rosella was the catamarans name when it was here in Mooloolabah. Just wondering if she was in the water or on the hard when the tornado hit?
Something I had never thought about. I simply assumed that this would be standard practice on any large vessel. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and a more sensible and intelligent presentation of the events.
There need to be mandatory safety drills, an alarm in all cabins, emergency automatic lighting, immersion suits in all cabins with compact air supply bottle that directly attaches to a face mask with a head torch built in, as recently developed and advertised on RUclips. Why not include emergency buoyancy airbags to keep the vessel afloat when flooded? We forget how cruel the sea is, a phrase the inhabitants of Porticello use. And, Porticello residents have a special prayer when ever they see a waterspout. And, 34 Porticello residents have died at sea since 1919. And Porticello has an annual remembrance service at sea. None of us are here for long. 🙏
Very good advice. I served in royal navy, we did not just have one engineer we had 3, plus captain, 1st leftenant, navigation officers. The ship would not sail if manpower was not up to snuff. Everyday firfighting drill, man overboard drills were practiced, along with first aid, and lifeboat drills, during daylight and night hours.
@@alc5792 The Titanic was claimed by its builders to be 'practically unsinkable'. It was a bold claim, but slightly less bold than the 'unsinkable' claims that movies have added to the story.
any boat that displaces water with air is sinkable. Solid and lighter than water is not sinkable, like a surfboard. Last I recall, we require air to live.
As an owner operator of both sail and motor yachts over many years (albeit much smaller craft) I have never left port with new guests before giving some sort of safety briefing. I find it incredible this is not mandatory on charter class yachts of this size.
If you are inside one of these super yachts in a freak storm and it suddenly is flipped onto it's side, you only have seconds to save yourself. As the water rushes in, the incoming torrent will sweep you off your feet and push you deeper inside along with everything else not bolted down. Those near an exit or outside on the deck have a better chance of survival.
I was raised in a sailboat racing family. we raced Tartans 30' - 40' in serveral PERF races throughout the midwest and atlantic ocean. those are safety first boats. I never was a fan of these super luxury yachts. of course they are incredible when the invite you on for a tour. but my dad always told me our boat was safer. the masts were excessively high ...unnecessarily. and the focus was on amenities and bragging rights BEFORE safety. The Tartan yachts all had masts that came down into the cabin all the way to the lower cabin floor. so with 10 or more feet of the mast anchored into the cabin that mast was so damn secure. made me feel safe. i never was scared looking up at our mast. it was not going anywhere. but in sailing we our eyes are always drawn to masts and inevitably our minds compare the heights. it's stupid but that's one of the stupid things about us humans. that yacht had the capability of being safe but there were options to make it unsafe (raising the keel for more speed and navigations thru shallow waters, etc.) SAFETY first then luxury is how it should be.
@@avatardirect I do too. Can't help it. Ever since I can remember. Heck i even look for dual exhausts on the back of cars...my stupid mind thinks they are way cooler. but my adult mind reminds me that im falling into a dumb trap.
wait isnt another one of the reasons the mast isnt supposed to be so high is so that it can properly disperse potential energy from lightening. thats what i read in my manual when i bought my first sail boat?
Like A LOT. Former writer of SOLAS documentation here. I know there are many guarding against early speculation regarding this accident. However, there is a plain to see picture forming based on information from dozens of sources across the sector. In fact, it is similar to the situation seen with private helicopters. Basically, your money cannot buy your way out of physics.
It's a similar story to the helicopter crash with Kobe Bryant where the captain flew in fog, not having instrument navigation, only visual, despite fog warnings. I think captains will veer away from safety protocol when they have clients with a lot of money.
You might clarify that charter guests - those hiring superyachts for a week or two to cruise a particular area - do genrally get a pre-cruise safety brief. Private yachts or charter yachts when the UBO is using the boat, are a different story. The owner and close family being familiar with their surroundings onboard may well not feel they need such a safety brief nor would wish any guests they have brought with them inconvenienced by one. When an owner is reluctant to do anything, even something as patently important as this, a Captain may well have to tread carefully when insisting. It should also be born in mind that the regulations for private yachts carying less than 12 guests are minimal compared with the same yacht if carrying more than 12 guests or if registered as a commercial yacht.
@ecnaruaL.." When an owner is reluctant to do anything, even something as patently important as this, a Captain may well have to tread carefully when insisting." I suspect this event might change some minds
Wow. I would think any Captain should insist in no uncertain terms that everyone MUST be given the drill. I dont give a damn what Mr Richie Rich thinks. Sure, he owns the boat but as Captain it needs to be perfectly clear the he is responsible for the safe operation and safety of all on board. The Captain is in charge of the vessel. THAT’S why he is CAPTAIN!
On our private 70' yacht, we show all our guests, soon after boarding, the location of all life jackets, emergency raft, medical kit, fire equipment and we briefly discuss general emergency procedures like MOB (man overboard). In any emergency, all people are instructed to come up on deck. It only takes 5 minutes and what I find most interesting is, the guests really appreciate it. In fact, additional questions and discussions about boat safety and what to do in various emergency situations take place long after the initial emergency instructions.
If you've ever worked on boats like this, when engines or generators are running (at least one generator running to supply power to HVAC system), the noise in the engine room is pretty damned loud, even with the generators enclosed in their sound protection covers. It becomes automatic to close those bulkhead doors every time you exit the engine room to keep the sound and heat isolated. Of course, there's a chance a door was open during crew prep for approaching storm at the worst possible moment. Also, it's VERY common for "deck hands" to perform anchor watch duties, so there were at least 4 possibilities including the 1st mate, in addition to Captain and Engineer, but you'll rarely see either on an anchor watch.
I think you are right about those watertight doors. A lot of this is hubris imo and I think the investigation will likely find that. A criminal investigation has been opened. The vessel data that has already been accessed seems to show the vessel shaking violently (a waterspout?) at 3.50 am and the anchor breaking. It then showed the vessel moving approx 350 meters before sinking just 16 mins later. So what the crew did in that 16 mins is as critical as what the overnight mooring protocol was on board. Your point about boats drills is correct. The first thing I check when travelling on any ship is where the life rafts decks are, where the life jackets are and that the walkways and doorways to those things are not locked. I have to say that on many occasions, I have found exits to life raft decks locked and in one case chained on commercial ferries. I now travel with my own inflatable life jacket, because I just do not trust the ability or experience of staff to get people off quickly. Ex Navy here, so evacuation drills and shipping hazards are muscle memory
In 16 mins, there would be time to alert the owner/guests and have them assemble in the lounge in lifejackets - if that was the fire drill plan. Instead, we have the lady with the baby saying she was already on deck and the next thing she knew, she was in the water. Since the cook was found in the water and outside the vessel, it suggests he had come out from the quarters along with all the staff. Perhaps he was the last one out and/or got hurt when everyone was thrown overboard. Meaning that all the staff got out in time - why not the others.
@@Mady-lo6qb Yeah, it sounds as though the vessel was already listing and then rolled and sank very quickly. The crew (who mostly slept in the bow compartments), were able to get up on deck quickly through the forward hatch. The engineer slept in a stern compartment behind the engine room and survived, probably through the aft hatch. The guests who died slept in the guest cabins that were in the middle lower deck of the hull. I had a look at the plans and the hull had five compartments with watertight bulkheads in between. Two compartments could flood without it sinking, but that required the watertight doors in those bulkheads to be closed. The bodies were found at opposite ends of the hull. The deck lounge had glass watertight sliding doors. So lots of questions there. Were the watertight doors open (and that includes hatches)? Did the failure to have the keel down take away the ability of the vessel to right itself if blown over with that high mast? The guests that survived seemed to have been on the upper deck, sleeping in the lounge areas. What was the level of preparedness of the crew for monitoring weather patterns and storm protocol? What was the protocol for evacuation in a worst case scenario, and how often was that practised? Engline power is essential in storms to maintian control. The boat that rescued those who made it to a life raft has said how he saw the weather turning and got the engines on and prepped his vessel for it. If he had time to do that, so did the captain of the Bayesian.
That is shocking to me that it’s not typical for yacht owners and their guests to participate in an evacuation drill. Seems like something that should be required by law, like wearing a seatbelt in a car.
It is required by law. They just can't be arsed and the Captain would fear for his job if he was to demand the law was followed. This is the marine world - would never happen in the aviation industry.
This has been probably the most informative video I have ever listened to on what goes on on yachts. I have sailed all my life, crewed on big boats, have the required qualifications too. And many of what has been mentioned here, is of no surprise to me. The schematic on the Bayesian were in great detail. Making it all very concise and too clear, on some of the things that can go wrong on such a large complex super yacht. I found the crew issue very familiar. I have never been on a yacht with enough of a crew that could perform all the tasks required in heavy challenging weather. Some crew would be light on experience with all the qualifications but low on sea miles. They would be afraid to go out on deck sometimes to secure something, or tie down something that had got loose, endangering the boat in heavy weather. I’m not surprised. Sometimes all the training in the world and experience at sea, can test the sanity of any hardened sailor. I’d like to hear of some tightening up on some of the safety procedures after this yachting accident. With some new regulations and drills, with safety logs signed by passengers for guests on these super yachts, stating they had been through a safety briefing for the vessel. It’s been a very sad, situation being in the wrong place wrong time. Because a fisherman who had planned to go fishing at 3:30am showed up. But decided not when he saw thunder and lightening close to 4am. He also said he saw the waterspout approaching, and that it was diverted by the high harbour wall, but as it was turned away and around, it then headed straight for the Bayesian full on.
So I am no super yacht captain. I do captain my own private 53 foot sailing vessel . I guarantee you anyone that steps foot on my boat gets a full saftey drill when they board my vessel . Everything from life rafts , EPIRB’s in their sailing vests , the main vessel and the two life rafts. They know where all the fire extinguishers are . What the smoke and CO alarms sound like . Where first aid kits are and emergency flashlights . How to operate the VHF, the Marine radio and Ham. They have to know how to deploy life rafts , operate all the equipment in the rafts and get into their survival suits. Now if I am a rich dude I guarantee I am going to have a abundance of well trained, well rested and well accommodated crew over a few more bloody toys. My bridge would be manned 24/7 by well rested qualified staff. Bit that is probably why I will never be rich.
@@mattk8810 Your right it does not and I was in no way comparing it to this vessel. What I was pointing out was that saftey briefings on super yachts are Abysmal compared to serious sailing vessels not floating luxury hotels . As for surviving what that yacht encountered it was a freak accident and I doubt many vessels of similar size or smaller would without a lot of luck. I have had 50 years at sea and have been fortunate enough to have never faced a water spout. Hopefully with the years I have left I will not ever and I will die of old age at the helm of my boat.
I did hurricane and tornado disaster work in Florida. A hurricane will blow a computer into the next town. A tornado will pull EVERY key off a computer keyboard. Huge difference.
I was a semi-pro/ professional private sailing yacht/racing sailboat crew and captain for a good number of years and sailed +100,000nm (w/100's of guests, crew) on primarily small (~25 M) vessels. In my experience, besides one non race-boat owner the only time vessels did emergency drills when the owner was onboard was when they participated in some ocean racing events because it was required. None of the bigger yachts I crewed on (mostly temporary positions) did drills when guests/owners were onboard.
@@deankruse2891 I imagine it is being asked of the command staff how much thought they put into the storm warnings that morning as more successfully perhaps exemplified by the older sailing yacht anchored ahead of them.
@@TB-zf7we i am not aware of what the older sailing yacht did differently, but not closing a hatch or window would be catastrophic in that storm. If the boat is intact on the sea floor, then it wasn't really a design flaw with teh yacht, any vessel would have been knocked down by those winds given the boats orientation and manner of mooring.
I was also a semi- professional skipper with paying guests on boats only up to 16m. But we always made an intense safety - instruction before leaving the harbour first time. Lasting for ca. 3 hours .
As always very well stated very well said I started out at 18 in air sea rescue worked in the shipbuilding business building Navy ships for 30 years. I have never give up sailing. I am 82 and still own and sale a 40 foot sailboat. I always enjoy your ventures on RUclips.
Really good to hear you're still in good health and sailing at 82 years young. A friend of mine said at 45 he started flying a plane and at 50 riding a motorcycle. He stopped flying at 80 when he said he had to think about things that should come automatically. He was still riding at 85 when he retired from the YMCA I taught in. Said it kept him young. May your sailing do the same for you for many more years.
How much do you want for your boat? (sorry, I'm feeling cheeky, and I couldn't resist - since you said you "sale" your boat). Great size of boat by the way - big enough to have some room, but still small enough to handle with two people (or one if you're particularly organised and spritely). At that size everything is still small enough to have a bit of directness to the controls (going up to boat sizes where electric winches are needed means sailing just doesn't feel like sailing anymore in my opinion). As a dinghy sailing maniac, my ideal size yacht is around 28 - 32 feet (so long as I don't have to live on it!). Boats that size can still feel like big dinghies - especially if they have a tiller and the mainsail winch has been ditched and replaced with something like a 4:1 and 12:1 block combo (don't quote me on the exact ratios - just that the setup has a mainsheet within a mainsheet - one for big movements of the boom under light loads and another for nipping up that last bit of tension when things are on tight and everything is leaning over. No clunky winch on the main lets you sit on the side of the cockpit with tiller in one hand and mainsheet in the other playing the boom in and out in the gusts. Nearly bought a boat like that (a young rocket 780) a number of years ago (but, sadly it was not to be).
I did a 4 day cruise in 2016, which i always said I'd never do, because even before Titanic came out, I was fascinated with it. But it was a Backstreet Boys cruise and I couldn't help myself. When we were doing the safety duties, I was thinking I should of brought a notebook. Everyday, I made sure there was the 2 life vests, because I'm terrible with directions, so I knew if something happened, I'd just be following the crowd and hoping they are going the right way. I couldn't imagine getting on a boat and not doing any sort of drill. Also, if I was buying a boat and the person said it was unsinkable, I'd be running away so fast, talk about a red flag
Your conclusion at the end of the video summed up my thoughts. As an airline pilot for over thirty years I wondered about the drills required for passengers. I hope owners will rethink the lackadaisical opinion of emergency preparedness going forward. Also, even if the boat was prepared for heavy weather, when the boat heeled over to near 90 degrees, the pax, having not been properly briefed may have opened otherwise watertight doors. The sea, as the air, is a very unforgiving medium.
To some commenters about open hatches: Visit such a yacht and go through. You will be in large areas were no natural airflow can occur. Living in there is only possible by aircon since it not only cools the cabins but also air them. This and other aircon is always on and the doors are usually closed.
Especially in a storm with high wind and rain. It's been mentioned though that the crew could have come up harch from berthing area through the hatch and left it open. Very possible they came up to respond to anchor dragging before water spout.
I found this channel by accident. Didn’t know I would enjoy it so much. Very well done, professional, thoughtful, easy going but serious at the same time, informative, likable…,
Sy Bayesian, formally Salute, has a GRT of 473, and was built to the UK large commercial yacht code for vessel under 500 GRT. The code is less stringent for vessels under 500 GRT. A similar length motor yacht, would be well over 500 GRT. Assuming she takes charters, she must be manned and operated in compliance to the same code. For vessels under 500 GRT the code states “watertight doors in yachts under 500GT may be approved hinged doors provided that there is an audible and visual alarm on the Bridge indicating when the door is open. The doors are to be kept closed at sea and marked accordingly” Looking at the GA of this vessel, I see two hinged water tight doors in the lower deck accommodations, and one between the engine room and lazarette. While at anchor, and with guest aboard, these doors would be kept open, this is normal practice, and compliant with the large yacht code. These doors are secondary to a typical lighter bulkhead door, used as the primary door to separate the compartments. Hinged water tight doors are cumbersome and heavy, and can easily cause serious injury while trying to operate while at sea. Typically on a vessel like this, these doors are deployed when expecting very rough weather, or on a passage where access to the compartment beyond is not routine. It’s very likely the vessel took up to a 90 deg knockdown. Had she been underway at sea, and prepared for rough weather, she would have survived the event. She was simply not prepared for such a knockdown, and the resulting downflooding to whole lower deck through the one or two main deck hatches that would have been open. I doubt very much the side shell door was open.
The keel is central to understanding this issue. Sailing boats and yachts are designed to remain upright, even with sails raised in strong winds. In my experience, I've only seen a sailboat capsize and stay on its side when the keel has come loose. Normally, if a boat is knocked over, it should right itself before enough water enters to compromise its stability. This raises questions about such occurrences.
Owning a boat doesn't grant one the power to disembark the Grim Reaper, who travels incognito wherever there's life. Invulnerability is only a feeling--and a deceiving one at that.
guests don't want them either, at least these luxury yacht users. they just wanna rent for a weekend or week for a party or vacation and they just wanna enjoy, safety drills unfortunately isn't what they are looking for, they want experience and are ready for to pay for it. many seem to think expensive or luxury yacht can't sink so what the point, just based on social media comments about this case. unfortunately... seems crew/captain also was little too confident about the yacht bc the bad weather wasn't surprise, they would have had time to close doors or prepare life raft but thought storm will pass...
I've been on many cruises and the attitude of 99% of the passengers is the safety drills showing everyone their 'muster station' etc was just a nuisance and half the passengers were already drunk when attending these safety drills.
Small tornadoes can do incredible things. I remember in my house garden we had a small tornado that snapped some tree and threw meters away an heavy old iron stove, while leaving untouched an half empty plastic bottle of water.
I remember in my youth I was driving a big John Deere tractor in west Texas, saw and ran into a Dust Devil which is just a small cousin of a spout or tornado, well that got my attention. If these guys indeed got hit by a spout, all bets are off and there is nothing in the manual.
I read somewhere that there was a party on that boat (to celebrate the victory at court) which lasted the whole night. One lady who was saved with her baby said she was in bed since 5 minutes whe she felt the boat tilting. So that had to be around 4, 4.30 in the morning. And the crew toghether with the wife of Mr Lynch were all on deck at that hour... what if they were all drunk? They might have forgotten the lazarette open, they failed to start the engine to keep the bow to the wind when anchor lost its grip, and also forgot to lower the centreboard... it would not be the first time that a boat sinks because of alcohol..
This is the problem Not enough crew not enough sleep With 1 foot 🦶 you always in jail as a captain This why I quit large yachts and charter long time ago
Appreciate that you addressed my observation of the deep anchorage what a great channel ! I suspect that the Captain dare I say it thought he was aboard probably the safest Vessel in the Anchorage ? Complacency creeps in and the next thing you know the Sea will expose your fallacies ? I've been on my Vessel on the North Sea/East coast for 20 years now and the truth is there's nothing Glamorous about it at all in fact I've been under the mercy of the Sea many times through fatigue and tiredness and if she wanted to take me I'm sure it could've happened but that's the risk all real Sea lovers take ? In this instance these poor people who lost there lives probably thought they were sleeping in a boutique hotel on land and unfortunately that's the problem here as you never can totally relax especially on Anchorage at night mainly because of Drag ? I mean I've always got an emergency Grab bag to take in the event of a rapidly moving situation aboard especially at night on anchorage ? It's very sad for all involved and I bet the Crew are so traumatised aswell
All my experience is with oil tankers, working shoreside as a naval architect and marine engineer. I started working when there were still radio operators onboard. Starting in the early 1980s there was a constant push to reduce crew size. I do not believe there are sufficient numbers of crew onboard commercial vessels. I do not believe there are adequate numbers to sustain a response to say, a fire or other emergency. With regards to drills and donning life jackets, every time I sailed with a ship I was required to attend emergency drills and participate in the drill. I remember one drill where the subject was immersion, or gumby, suits. At that safety drill, the Master required that I be the one to demonstrate putting on and wearing the gummy suit. I put it on at the start of the drill and I wore it through the drill. I know how to put on an immersion suit. I learned something new at each drill. I don't care if you are an owner, a passenger, a guest, or someone from the office you should participate in safety drills. You should know where your muster station is, you should know how to put on lifesaving equipment, and what the emergency signals are. You should also know how to reach the emergency exits. Wealth does not protect you from accidents, it didn't on the Titanic, it didn't on the Titan, and it didn't in this case.
In the first week that I started a new job, there was a pretty bad earthquake. It was the first time I heard the train sound. And the first thing in my head was - crap, I don't know where the emergency exits are. 😬😬😆😆
I think of all your very valid points, the one that demonstrates the probable cause of this accident was the film from New Zealand graphically showing the 45 metre yacht getting flattened in seconds is the most pertinent. The fact that all those on deck were ejected into the water as the yacht got flattened violently, suggests it was exactly this. All the talk of doors or hatches being open is secondary, none of the crew could ever have imagined the yacht getting knocked down, whilst at anchor with the sails stowed. Given the obvious force of nature required to do that, makes a total nonsense of trying to blame someone!
Your comment makes great sense. I was reading that sailboats should be able to right themselves with 110 to 120 degrees or more of angle. Yet this yacht even with keel down would not right itself after 88 degrees per the financial times article.
"None of the crew could ever have imagined ..." When at sea, you always plan for the unexpected. Doors, portholes, hatches, windows, should always be closed, shut and dogged down. Especially at night when there may only be two watchkeepers awake. Furthermore, a watch keeper should always be on the bridge to monitor fire alarms, radio traffic, dragging anchors and weather conditions. An intense squall as described would be visible approaching by S-band and X-band radar in which case the Captain should be alerted and appropriate actions taken.
"Necessary quarters, for the right amount of crew, for the safety of the vessel are accounted for and not instead of those things": totally agree!! Beyond tight quarters for crew where private living space is the width of a single bed is dehumanizing.
I sail my own 51 ft sailing yacht and have had problems with superyachts at anchor many times over the last 20 years. They never responded to a vhf call at night when they start to drag down on to me and once this occured in day light when they knew they were too close and promised to keep an anchor watch, which they didn't. Unfortunately, I have grown to distruss superyacht crews and always keep a wide berth and rather than argue with them. I prefer to move anchorges when they anchor too close.
It's crazy to me that most owners do not participate in a boat drill. That would be the first thing I would want to do. Even when I got my first kayak, I made sure I could self rescue by jumping out of it at sea and practicing getting back in. This should be standard practice for anyone on the water. Thanks very much for your videos on this riviting story. I look forward to them from you.
If I had a yacht, I would want the cabin crew to be happy and well rested. This means they would need decent rooms as well as plenty of down time. Seeing the opulent interiors of these huge yachts, to me, is obscene. I would be embarrassed to sit in that over the top splendor, while the crew struggled to fit through the doorways to their bed-length room. Apparently, billionaires have no shame.
I am a hobby captain chartering vessels. Mostly with my family. And i need to say you deliver these informations in a way that really goes deep. No finger pointing, no blame. Maybe this is one of the good things after such a tragedy: That people who want to learn, can learn from these incidents.
Any comments from the yacht designers and builders are very reckless at this point. They have little information to go by. Seems an aggressive campaign to put blame on the crew before knowing what happened.
FYI. The retractable keel was in the up position thus the boat to recover from a 90 deg knockdown. With the keel extended, the boat can take a 120 deg knockdown
@@ohsweetmystery that is most little true how ever that do t have all the facts to work with. As any professional engineer will not draw any conclusions to they know if all. And to claim a vessel is unsinkable calls from the CEO calls In to question there motives.
We have never done drills with our boss or his family or friends onboard. Our captain has always given bosses guests a tour of the boat which includes where the life saving equipment is. Unfortunately this is not always the way things are done on other boats
If you think about drill on cruiseships, I don't recall anything above get your lifejucket and assemble at muster point when alarm sounds. If there would be no alarm and I had to make my decisions, I could well be lost, or too late.
A sailing boat is a sailing boat. The problem is that super rich people like to have it all, turning everything in to a hybrid. In this case, a sailing boat (yacht) with a 5 stars hotel inside it with a retractable keel, compromising the stability of the boat and diluting the safety standard one would expect living and working on a sailing boat! In Nelson's navy, the sailor found sleeping on watch would have been drastically punished by public flogging with the cat o' nine tails as he endangers the lives of the entire crew on board! With all that money, he should have bought 2 boats - a conventional sailing boat for sailing staffed by professional crew and a luxurious yacht for cruises which is a lot heavier in tonnage and more stable.
Yeah, but the time and chaos of this event is very specific. We want to blame someone, and there is an argument to be made that more should have been done, but really this was a tragic set of circumstances and not gross negligence
Taking a deep breath here. I realize that this most definitely sounds like a conspiracy theory but…I saw a huge red flag when I read that Mike Lynch’s co-defendant in the fraud case (they were acquitted) was hit (and killed) by a car a day or two later!! Does not appear to be a hit and run as the female driver was mentioned but dang that’s a helluva coincidence. “There are no coincidences” and “Make it look like an accident” flashed through my mind. The six crew members got off the yacht (one -the chef-perished) and all the passengers (including the attorney) died. At any rate, it sounds like a good story plot. Maybe there will be a movie.
Etap (Belgian boat builder) used to built unsinkable yachts. But the biggest one was 48 feet. You could fill them with water and still they did not sink. Their hull had a fibreglass foam sandwich construction.
I have an Etap (only the 28i) I understand it could be sawn in half and both halves would float, but I don't know if that's true. I do know it could still catch fire, or other calamities are possible, so I'm not relying wholly on the unsinkableness.
If they hit a rock and break, they do sink. Of course, nothing is "unsinkable". Unsinkable in this context means that it's not the tempest that makes them sink.
Fascinating video and good to hear some truths and facts about the boat and crew. I'm a qualified commercial yacht skipper though never worked on anything as big as this. As you say crew is ten, but just 3 qualified watch keepers, and they need their time off as much as anyone.
It wouldn't surprise me if investigators found that it was a combination of watertight doors being insecure and the keel being retracted at the time of the storm.
According to the divers they noted the keel was partially raised while lying on the sea floor but the news article also said the keel could have jerked loose when it hit the sea floor so nothing is confirmed yet.
You’re a very wise man and I hope so owners take your advice. This is not something most of a us really want to hear about. thank you for all this information.
I can’t believe the boat builder is so quiet to blame the crew and not wait for the facts to come out. He’s probably scared of getting sued for a bad design.
@@martynrich5187Correct. Getting ahead of the game. Pure commercial concern for him at this stage. Damage control. Stuff the families who are grieving g. Just protect your brand. I actually see it from his side too. He wants to look after the company who are probably innocent and the boat is a good boat. Wrong place wrong time. But you can’t blame the crew when things happen so fast. Then it’s pandemonium.
Whenever the crew survives and the passengers all die, questions get asked. And when you factor in that it took 16 minutes to sink, these will be hard questions.
I own a small yacht only a fraction of the size of that sunken yacht. My yacht also has a hydraulic lifting balasted keel. When I bought my yacht she was in a very sheltered bay moored to a pontoon keel up, with 3 other boats, attached to shoreline. I had to move her, because the pontoon also had to be moved and was for sale. I left the keel raised while I motored to a leased mooring in a much larger bay. I only had my 3.2m kayak at the time as a tender. The mooring was in deep water but close to shore same as. The 3rd trip to my yacht I found just how open and exposed the bay was to severe winds when coming from the western mountain. Too severe for me to get aboard my yacht using the kayak, the wind and choppy wave action left me soaked and nearly capsized. I sat in my car just observing the actions of my yacht in those windy conditions, she was certainly healing to those 100klm wind gusts, too much swing with the keel raised. After that I doubled the size and weight of my mooring line and swivel, and also lowered the keel down about 1/3 while on the mooring. With a powered dinghy I often stayed aboard in all weathers after that and especially after working 3 night shifts. She is a stable platform even to do some work, or sleep. I have complete confidence in my yacht to be self righting in any knock down or even a full role, but with the keel and balast fully raised that's questionable for sure?? The weight ratio of my mast isn't, even with the mainsail furled on the boom, not in the mast. But just looking at that sunken yacht and having been knocked down to that extent so easily is more than questionable?? Also how so much water got in, so quickly, to prevent that yacht self righting. I doubt it was ever safe or seaworthy. The captain certainly has a lot to answer to, considering the weather warnings etc.
One cnnot prevent lawsuits by making statements like this. They will come regrdless if there is a merit. At most he might try to secure the purchases that are under way, so they don't fall through. Yachts capsizing is very rare if maintained and used properly.
Italy is notorious for pressing criminal charges against engineers and designers and scientist in the wake of accidents. I think he's reacting the way people do in a country where there's a good chance either you or the captain will end up in prison over this.
@@oldmech619That's the thing though, there is a good chance this WAS an avoidable accident be cause the yaught only filled up with water the way it did as a result of humans failing to close hatches etc
@@harrickvharrick3957but nobody knows as yet how it filled with water. At this point there is just a lot of assumptions, due to the fact that body recovery has been the main goal until now.
A waterspout is not just water spinning, it is water that has been lifted and is falling. A lot of water. This boat could have been buttoned up tight, with that much mass pounding down on it, probably any boat would sink, unsinkable or not. With enough flotation i.e. buoyancy it might pop up again, but the water pressure at depth likely blew hatches and ports in this case. If people need to place blame they should blame the waterspout.
Anyone who lives in the Midwest or South of the US knows that tornados will cleave a relatively narrow and random line as it moves. It is not usual to see one side of a street flattened and 20yds across the street, just fine. JK
@@johnsmith-tn8rn Agree. I live in the Midwest. Almost 30 years ago we had a tornado hit the east side of town and the following night there was another tornado on the west side. It ripped away a large metal building which was part of a lumber yard but there were some boards stacked outside in the parking lot and it didn't touch those, they were still stacked undisturbed about 10 yards from the front door. The building and the rest of the lumber were gone or scattered over a large area.
@@phillipaj.5588This is exactly how I visualised it in my own head. Not jumping on conspiracy theory, it was he or it’s his fault. That was one mighty storm. In a previous video from esysman, he shows a yacht being flipped from stern down bow up in the air! So that’s exactly how I saw it!
My friend's house was leveled in a tornado with her in it. She had a couple of seconds of warning. Everything was gone. She crawled out from under total rubble. It was a miracle that she lived. Someone returned her purse from ten miles away. Her neighbors house didn't lose a roof shingle.
DEFINITELY seen MANY tornadoes in Florida do that. 1998 and 2008 .Two different tornadoes. Both between midnight and 5 am. No possibility to know it was coming. One went right beside my brothers house through his pasture..killed 28 people behind him. ( including my friend Steve and his 8 and 10 year old children ) Spending days searching for the eventual body recovery . Another crossed the end of my sister’s driveway . 19 people before and after her house lost their lives. I don’t take it lightly how close I came to losing my family.
@@gnostic268 my buddy Steve and his 2 young children died in one. I was with search and rescue for 2 days looking for their bodies. Like you mentioned about non disturbance..Steve was he was working on a 1966 Bronco in his lean to. His trailer was gone..but the service manual was still on the page of what he was working on? Bronco and lean to untouched..but absolutely no part of his trailer was left. I can’t imagine how terrifying it must have been for these people?
People need to understand this is not an option in Italy but an obligation. There is obligatory action if facts may involve some sort of culpability when people die. Seven people died this is no game. A prosecutor however is also a judge (and is independent from the government) so if he finds there are no elements can archive the case but cannot decide “not to investigate” as in other countries. If he (or she) continues there will be judges to sanction or not any action he takes against people (arrest, preliminary investigation judge, preliminary trial judge, trial judges, appeal judges etc.)
Thankyou for your great advice. I realize these yacht owners are used to ordering people to do this or that but in this situation their lives are at stake as we now know.
I watch your channel from time to time. This is by far the most important video I’ve seen, especially regarding owner & client safety. My father was a private pilot. On every trip he did, he briefed his passengers, eg emergency brace position, oxygen masks, emergency operation of the doors, etc. This included his family. He never took safety for granted and neither did we, and it was never an inconvenience to be briefed. And different planes have slightly different procedures and everyone no matter how often they have flown (or sailed) should ever take their briefing for granted. I also did a lot of sailing as a child and we were always briefed on safety gear, etc.
I am one of those owners that watches you. Our captain always insists on life jackets for the kids etc. when in position to be exposed to the water. At the start of every cruise the Chief Stew takes the kids on a tour even if they are ours (ours say boring) and makes sure they know to tell an adult if they see certain things, and then what to do if certain things happen like fire or a person goes overboard and there are no adults around. However, and thank you Sys-it waters down when it comes to the adults. We get a briefing on where to be when the submarine is being moved or the tenders are being put in the water, the helicopter is landing etc. but thanks to you the complacency is over. My Captain called me and said he wants to start a new safety program without exemption that we all have to go through when we board and before anyone has drink to get a better idea of what to do if something were to happen. Thank you five stars as always ESys
Good man.
The kids are not the problem. The know it all adults are.
Submarine? Helicopter? How much fun is that!!
I would add the important safety tip. Don't step on a fish hook. 🙄 I saw it happen as a kid while on a kids, shore-based fishing excursion. Kids and fishing lines everywhere and minimal shoes.
Bless you & your Capt. for taking up the lessons on this unbelievable tragedy. I've wondered how scary that would have been for everyone in my mind, to then imagine having it on the sea at night, it had to be absolute terror 😭
Bravo and Thank you for sharing this with us all.. and your kudos to Esysman !! I have had plenty of billionaire and millionaire friends but just Based on what you have said and the fact that you shared it tells me that you are one of those rare individuals that have done well and yet do not allow their arrogance and or self-absorption to interfere with the best choices that you can make to preserve the lives of those that you love and those that are around you... You deserve whatever you have been able to achieve, and you have a lucky family and friends. Stay the person that you are.. under any and all circumstance.
In 2019, I lost five close friends at once when they were trapped by a fire on a dive boat in California. None of the crew were awake when the fire broke out, despite there being a requirement for someone to remain on watch. Three of my friends were RN’s who, like me, had also spent time working as first responders…meaning they knew how to handle themselves in an emergency. There was a hatch my friends could have used to escape the fire when it blocked the stairs, yet the hatch was never opened. I’m fairly certain no one pointed that hatch out to them when they came aboard, otherwise they would have at least tried to open it. I hope regulations are enacted, where emergency drills become mandatory on all passenger boats, so that people trapped down below have at least some chance of survival.
Brutal. Very sorry for your loss of friends.
I remember that tragedy 😢.
I thought of this tragedy today. You are referring to the aft hatch. It was pretty small and practically inaccessible. Knowing about it at least would have given them a chance. Very sorry for your loss, that was just terrible.
@@mbspoobahyes, it was a small aft hatch. We’ll never know if an escape was possible, because no one tried opening it. The crew quickly abandoned ship, leaving every passenger to die down below. I have no idea how they live with themselves.
I suspect right now there are superyacht crews running guests through safety briefings they have never conducted before. Until now.
This channel should be called: The Last True Journalist on Earth.
Excellent!
We lived right on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario. A freak waterspout jumped over our house and dumped thousands upon thousands of gallons of water in our neighbors backyard. I have also seen waterspouts materialize in an instant in the gulf off of S Florida. I think that people who are downplaying the potential impact of “water tornados” have never witnessed the incredible force that these phenomena can carry, and just how small of an area they can cover.
One thing that may be worth clarifying - especially for the American audience - is that in Italy the judiciary has a constitutional OBLIGATION to open a criminal procedure against people whenever people die.
The fact there is a criminal investigation on this case is no different and it’s just a consequence of this constitutional obligation.
They are not doing because they think someone has to be charged and put to jail.
They are doing it because its the law: you cannot not open a criminal investigation trying to understand if someone has to be charged if people died.
That is the constitutional starting point , not a discretionary decision (or conclusion) by the judges
So do not read too much into that
Very good point
Thank you for the clarification!
@@spojce9 the capitan is English I think
What are you talking about?
@@rougesify - A joke about the liar and coward Francesco Schettino I suspect.
@@rougesify the Italian cruise liner that ran aground about 15 years ago. Captain was sleeping and on rescue was the 1st off The ship.
have a sailing yacht 47.5 Meters very similar to the Bayesian, ours is S/Y MITseaAH. We have a similar tall mast and boom, a Marina deck at the stern, a keel that moves down when sailing and up for power operation. This event has made me revisit all operations aboard our vessel. My heart sank when I heard about this incident and especially the loss of life.
Beautiful boat! And I love how nautical, warm & cozy it feels despite its size! (as opposed to the look & feel of a slick condominium like the boat under discussion here)
why do you have a 47.5m sailing yacht?
are you a billionaire?
Yet: anything can happen. Those "water spouts" sometimes seem to have a mind of their own, like hurricanes and their accompanying twisters of all sizes.
Very mysterious.
@@timschmitt7550 No he's a Trillionaire.
When you are at anchor outside a harbour do you put the keel down for safety?
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!
But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
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How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?
I worked on private yachts for 20 years as chief stew/cook/mate and was one of the few crew who didn't drink. The irresponsibility I witnessed with crew was alarming. When working a job like that and being responsible for someone's floating mansion and peoples safety, we must always be sober minded and vigilant. It happened a few times when I would secure all portholes and doors prior to being underway, a guest would open portholes after being told not to. People need to realize the importance of responsibility and order while at sea.
Yes, the crew have a duty to be careful about safety; and perhaps owners and guests feel an absolute right to do as they please, without considering safety enough. Foolish.
corretto
Exactly what I have seen as well. Add constant "visitors" especially when the boat is moored...
On a big expensive, solid feeling boat, no one ever thinks it could sink. ...
Pretty much the ONLY crews that run drills (so that they’re second nature) are navies, merchant vessels and coast guards…..and NOTHING IS UNSINKABLE
I'm a Port State Control Examiner for the USCG, and I examine foreign yachts that visit our ports. I tell every crew, ALL PASSENGERS (owner or guest) should be taking part in drills for emergencies. If you don't, then you could ultimately die from ignorance. Money won't save you, but knowing how to effectively escape a sinking vessel can. Also, all vessels are sinkable. It's a shame people say that about some vessels. I think it does the industry a disservice to say something as atrocious as that to mariners. A true mariner knows everything necessary to survive at sea. All others are just spectators willing to roll the dice with their life. Rich or not.
Awesome coverage of the incident. Definitely following your page. Cheers.
Where did I hear that before ? Sounded like “ Even God could’ve not sink the TITANIC”. But it sank. And I gave no idea about even sailing a regular little boat. Thanks!
I'm of the opinion that boat drills would have made no difference...
Imagine your the passenger in your large stateroom. You've had your one drill, your dosing off, and the huge yacht your enjoying is suddenly,and violently knocked down...
Everything is thrown to the Lee side...including you. In a large stateroom,you could be thrown 10 meters.
Your injured, heavy things are falling on you,the power is gone, it's pitch black, the waters rushing in, the screaming has started,an alarm may be howling, your half conscious and confused...
Could YOU make it out? You could practice for years, and everything still has to go perfectly, and your reactions be instinctive for you to survive...an occasional guest dosnt have anywhere near the training and experience...those deeper below decks had no chance.
And any crew who by then were already been on deck trying to secure things were likely thrown into the water
That's why you don't sleep on a boat!.
Good point: and probably very close to what happened there
Once again: a competent officer on watch looking at the radar could have avoided all of this....
One look at that top heavy MAST with all its weighty stuff attached even without the sail pulled up would give me pause. Then to discover this super yacht does not even possess a proper KEEL, I would be hesitant to go to sea in the Bayesian, much less sleep at anchor with the keel retracted and the hotel sized windows right at the waterline fully opened, IN A MISTRAL?
Sleep on deck or spend the night in a hotel, trust your survival instincts.
We're going to find out wether or not,that the crew was already on deck, tending to things in deteriorating weather...then they suddenly got slammed.
I'm thinking this is more a microburst scenario...very unfortunate.
I can sense you are quite emotional having to go over this tragic story. You explain everything perfectly thanks!
@relaxer37 Your comment seems entirely fake and would suggest you are prone to exaggeration and a degree of attention seeking.
At no point during the video was there any sign of him being emotional.
Why do you feel the need to make things up?
I agree w relaxer. Sysman is crisper- encrispado. He is hitting on all the crucial life details. I myself add the "karma"/nature alive one: mistakes are not all forgiven.
the reply from the other person is terrible -- karma, buddy: it will find you like it finds all of us.
Ps biggerissue's acct is 1 yr old: he has definitely some bigger issue.
@@biggerissues6085 When eSysman mentioned the body of Hannah Lynch was recovered, he showed emotion. You just have missed it. Moreover…, if you have nothing good to say, better stay silent. Why do you feel you have to make such a nonsensical comment? Are you perhaps the attention seeker?
He is not so much angry as frustrated. Having served at sea for so many years he will have seen all the bad practices that go on and which he was effectively powerless to correct, (despite the presentations, paperwork and official line that would say otherwise), that no doubt led to this tragedy
@@biggerissues6085 You are wrong. Sys is quite clearly disturbed by this tragedy in each of these videos on this tragedy.
Your continued coverage is the best I've ever seen on any topic. I appreciate your detailed explanations as well your compassion and professionalism. I'd imagine new rules will issued do to this catastrophic event. Mother nature will always win.
Common-sense rules are powerless against the reckless, though.
Agreed. There are so many crazy conspiracy theories out there, it is just horrible!
as a guest, I think the idea of boat drills, whether on charter or a friend of owner, are really a best practices idea!
Thanks for the update and very good points. As a professional captain and owner of three yachts for many years I have been mentioning most of what you say already for days. People talking about this accident should be aware that this is not a perfect world and we should learn form this but blaming one or another is easy but not fair. In this case where a nearby ship survived it is clear that something immense hit them and disaster could have hardly be avoided. And sure, the lifting keel maybe up has not helped in any way. But also there. Most yachts sail under engine with the keel up and not drop it while on anchor. I would have and in most instances I did for 70% of the time. Yes, probably aft hatch open, maybe watertight doors. And for sure, owner and guests not briefed properly. It all leads to this and making owners aware that these drills are vital is important. I brief guests (almost weekly) always since they are guests on our ships. Therefor it is easy, they have to listen. But having worked on a super yacht I know that with the owner on board it is quite different.
Sir. I’m not a boaty and actually I can’t remember why I subscribed… I love this channel and this is possibly your most important video EVER. You were a tad nervous at the start but when you got into the ‘crew quarters and sleep deprivation… safety orientation and changes in situation’ your seamanship expertise shone thru….you’ve clearly done this xxxx.For owners that watch this content …this is a game changer….no longer can you say “children must wear buoyancy aids’ …… our sons and daughters are serving the strawberry’s and tea in the glorious sunset evening’s, they have the right to live and survive ….. you are responsible for all souls when conditions change. Please keep up this content… do not stop digging… we all should sleep in our bunks SAFELY
I'm not a yacht owner, but I'm still a fan of this channel. Quite shocking to hear that emergency drills for the owners and guests are not standard procedure!
a well run boat will have a very basic cover of like "this is what the emergency sounds are, this is where your life jacket is, this is where we want you to go in an emergency, but thats about it
@@Simon-ho6ly I've been on a few charters and most of the time, there wasn't any safety drills. Also on some of the yachts it wasn't very obvious where things like lifejackets were inside cabins. I think that is a very short sighted decision that may be because interior design trumps safety. If I were ever fortunate enough to become an owner, I would make this a required part of the boat tour. This is the sun deck, here are the life rafts, these are the escape routes. It need not take much and every guest should be familiar with this type of briefing from flying.
High value people don't like being told what to do by the proles, regardless of how skilled and knowledgeable they are.
This was a big problem for those on the Costa Concordia too. Amazing how it takes diasters and loss of life, before policies are implemented across the board.
@@crabby7668 This is quite the opposite of my experience, "high Value" people always listened to safety information. But I am more military oriented.
The lack of boat drills for owners and passengers is staggering.
Why is there a warning from eSysman Superyachts to all viewers of this cast. Are we ultra sensitive about this tragedy when no one appears to have mentioned you negatively. Whatever happened to free speech?
Narcissists think they're special, and that they're too special for anything to happen to them (as if the world would stop turning if it did). They are delusionally grandiose...and believe rules and laws apply to other but not to them. This is part of the diagnostic criteria for doing a differential diagnosis.
The more of a braggart and boaster someone is, the more narcissistic they are. They are the men, women, and teens, who need to display their wealth because they think others will "admire" them, and they are driven by obtaining public admiration from others.
This is a very real, and very prevalent disorder in the broader population. It's very common in work-a-holics and certain billionaires, mega-millionaires, and the people at your local country club. Yes, seriously.
Narcissists destroy the fabric of society with their disregard for the safety of others, much in the same way sociopaths and psychopaths do the same, but for different (but similar) reasons. They all believe they are above the law, and the rules of society.
To be fair, there's probably no drill for navigating a dark passageway that's been rotated 90 degrees and the wall is now the "floor", the hatch will now be sideways and you have to crouch and climb through it, and do all that while taking on water AND after having been knocked out of bed or off the couch.
I spent 3 years working offshore and another 20 in the mining industry. You cannot anticipate every situation and train for it, that is not the only purpose of doing the drills. For me, the drills equip you to be robotic and safe in mist of danger. Unfortunately I have worked on sites where people have died, and you do not want to be dealing with equipment and procedures for the first time when you are dealing with such an event.
Yeah, that isn't a thing with wealthy owners or VIP guests unless they specifically want it. It an't a cattle car cruise line.
"Unsinkable" a bold statement, a little like saying an un-spinable aircraft in aviation. Not being involved with Super Yachts I am surprised there no requirement for a qualified person on the bridge at all times, and no safety Drills for Guests.
My career dictated I had to attend a Helicopter Under Water Escape Drills Regularly, I can confirm it is really disorientating when you go upside down under water, then have to escape from the cabin, and thats in a swimming pool environment, and knowing ahead of time it is going to happen.
I'm a person who could not even remotely think about buying a superyacht and I haven't ever been a guest on one in my life but I can tell you that without fail I have watched your YT channel for years. I find your style of videos extremely informative and enjoyable to watch and I like your style of reporting. You seem like an authentic and genuinely kind and caring person and we just don't have enough of that in this world so that's another reason why I continue to watch your videos. If my fortunes ever changed and I was suddenly able to afford a stay on a superyacht for a holiday, asking me to participate in emergency preparedness drills would not upset me or hinder my enthusiasm as a guest one bit. Participating in potentially life saving drills sounds like best practices to me so I would consider this a very reasonable expectation as a guest. I don't think that guests or owners should consider their participation in emergency drills as an inconvenience to endure but rather as a necessary investment of time that could potentially save their lives. Pleasure is one thing, but it should never be at the expense of everyone's safety and that includes the owners, their guests and their valued crew members. Thanks for doing such a marvelous job covering this very tragic story. Im very sorry that so many lives were lost in this event. I pray for all of those people who were lost as well as for those who were lucky enough to survive the ordeal. Stay safe and God bless you.
i am not saying safety drills have no value but there is no safety drill in the world that would have helped these people trapped in their cabins when the boat had capsized. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best.
@@WildWest144 very well stated, thank you. And thanks eSys!
Well said! I also have never sailed on a yacht. However, in the 1950’s & 60’s my father was in the US Navy. At the time, families were often transported across the oceans by passenger ship.
At 72, I have vivid memories of being 3 years old and traveling with my mother and baby sister from San Francisco to Honolulu by sea.
A few years later we crossed the Atlantic from the US east coast to live in North Africa. The return trip was aboard an actual 1960’s cruise ship, the USS Independence. Decades later I saw her anchored in Honolulu while I was on a business trip.
I well remember the safety drills every voyage, when all aboard were mustered to the decks.
I am appalled at the seemingly lax standards on private vessels. They might have saved lives on the Bayesian tragedy. Emphasis on “might” because freak storms happen.
Amazed to hear that owners and guests do not do boat drills. On my vessel, every guest on board gets a briefing or they don't leave the pen.
Calling your vessel unsinkable as it lays on the bottom having bodies recovered from it is a pretty tough claim to back up...
It seems to me that you are all misrepresenting the words of the CEO of the Italian Sea Group. He said that the sailing ship was unsinkable if the crew had followed normal safe navigation procedures. Since this was not done and hatches were left open and the drift lifted with a strong storm coming in then the ship sank only because of inexperience or malice, not because of any defects in the ship.
@@sgviti you're jumping to the same conclusions as the CEO all based on supposition, when, as of yet we don't know
@@sgviti the words "unsinkable" shouldn't be used with any vessel. I don't care what rules are followed or how good the crew is, if mother nature wants to claim something, she damn well will.
Just like idiots that go on boats they don’t retain info or comprehend it they just pick what they hear and roll with that
@@sgviti Yes, he and you are quite correct. Raising the boat will prove it.
Thank you for speaking the truth about rich reality. As a CPA and senior auditor to Billionaires, seldom do they want or care for realtity, truth and bluntness. Workers are rewarded for " respect and difference" A person earning a billion is different from the person spending a billion. Arrogance is the deadly sin.
Yes, power can be a dangerous delusion
Do you mean deference? Not difference?
@@salishseas In a world with speech-to-text, forgive such mistakes.
One would expect a qualified CPS to know the difference.
@@supertuscans9512 CPS \ CPA?
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I think this is one of your best videos ever...!!
You hit on all the key points of the uncertainty of rushing to blame until both the vessel and crew are investigated in detail.
Your SAFETY summary, especially when it comes to guests and owners participating in drills is timely and this event shows a weakness we have all had as captains in not doing an actual muster station drill with guests rather than the introductory talk we mostly do.
Well done!
unless the safety drill is going to include a free climbing course, an underwater swimming course all done blindfold there isn’t a safety course in the world that would have helped these people. I’d it us ouch dark, The ship is on its side and the cabin door is 20’ above your head - how are you supposed to reach it never mind open it and find your way out?
@supertuscans9512 Given that some of the guests and most of the crew did escape I don't think it stayed as bad as you describe. I can easily imagine the initial knock-down then righting to a leeward list as immense downflooding from the open Aft sliding doors caused bodily sinkage as she slowly went down by the stern in 12-15 minutes .
There was time if they could visualize the escape route in the dark
But my point is that an improvement on guest training to find their escape options is not a bad thing in the industry
Maybe it should even be made mandatory
@@supertuscans9512 You're right IF the yacht rolled on the surface. Something weird happened in the hour between dragging anchor and sinking but hey-ho what do I know except AIS appears to show Bayesian was stern to the wind for that hour..
Hi, Many years ago, my parents paid for a trip on the Sail Training Ship, Sir Winston Churchill. At that time vital was part of the Outward Bound organisation which encouraged young people to experience things outside their comfort zones. I was very fortunate.
The memories of the first two days at sea, leaving Birkenhead & travelling down the St George's channel and the Irish Sea in a force 9 gale were an experience, where I learnt how insignificant we are, when it comes to the power of nature. It is so sad that we have lost an entrepreneur to an avoidable setbof circumstances. I am a Rotarian who is responsible for Health & Safety in my District in England. The investigation is essential but your comments that owners & guests must take part in safety drills is spot on.
Thanks for a great channel and take care. Andy
I don't think a downburst classifies as avoidable circumstance.
The combination of the height of the mast with a keel centerboard is so ungainly that the vessel is entirely dependent on human decision. It can't take care of itself like a well balanced boat. Scary
I thought boats that big had a fixed keel. I am just learning that many have retractable keel.
As a boat owner myself you always need to be up to speed with the weather but things change so quickly on the water, when it comes to personal safety you cannot prepare enough, my few basic rules are that I keep knives at strategic points on the boat, everyone must have pfds on, coils of rope at strategic points, and I always tow a decent sized inflatable boat, when things go wrong on the water they go wrong quick.
I was a day charter skipper on a dinky type of sweet yacht ( westsail 32) working on the West Coast in South Africa many years ago.
One day when I was berthing a guest put his hand out and it was crushed between a wooden post and the chain plate.
I remember how quickly a perfect day turned into a nightmare.
My boss had the man rushed to hospital and operated on.
-: I feel tremendous compassion for the Captain and crew at this dreadful time!
Thanks for this wonderful video.
I've had a think I know what happened, and you are hearing it here first!!!
They dropped the keel for stability in a panic.....and it just kept going to the bottom.... the yacht capsized immediately.
I bet they find the keel separate from the hull!!
They saw the weather, first instinct was to stabilize, they dropped the keel, it keep going.
The chocking mechanism when fully deployed failed.
VERY HEAVY KEEL, Deployed too fast?
@@paulvr3158i dont think is a manual operation dropping the keel, so i guess the speed is fixed. Anyway the keel was found intact and retracted
Yes they do!
There was a warning issued with plenty of time to prepare apparently, enough time to get the guests off the boat onto dry land until the storm blew over.
Thanks for your in-depth reporting on this issue. You are THE best source for this story. I've gone on the Telegraph, New York Times, other RUclips channels, etc., and your provide the best coverage. I also like how you call out the conspiracy theories and debunk the rumors. You're an experienced source.
I did military water survival and night ditching.
It takes several days to work up to the final exercise.
They blindfold you turn the vessel upside down and selectively block exits that you only find they are blocked when you try to open them. You must then find the breed exit in the dark.
In the dark under water you do not know which way is up.
No air equals panic very quickly.
Once you panic you are done.
Yes drills are important. Given how quickly this vessel sunk I doubt they had much of a chance. Escaping the interior.
How did ALL THE CREW MAKE IT OFF?? Into one lifeboat… only the chief was lost??
@@tarverr.mcknightjr4439 The crew would have been topside getting ready for the day and addressing the weather - anchor dragging, turbulence etc. A sudden knockdown and they would have been thrown into the water. Same for the guests who were on deck. The life raft automatically detaches and inflates. (There were 4 apparently and they managed to snag one of them)
@@tarverr.mcknightjr4439chef. As in cook.
@@tarverr.mcknightjr4439 I have no idea.
I assume that they had a clear route out through the front hatch. Just a guess until the report comes out.
I think the video indicated the engineers cabin was in the back of the boat.
Thanks for sharing. With all the beds, bedding, any furniture, clothing, etc. plus water and in the dark, I'd be surprised if any survivors were on the side of the boat that went down first. Looks like starboard side, but haven't heard that said. It would have been hard for those on high side.
I was a guest on a dive yacht off Cairns many years ago . Give them their due, we were hardly off the dock before a full safety briefing was carried out. Perhaps the SOPs for day charters are different from when the owner is on board for an extended trip. When surveying a boat safety is always top priority but many ignore basic safety including, in some cases, even the body issuing quality or compliance qualifications, or they try to passs some of that responsibility over to others. Not room here to quote specifics but bottom line is "Dead is Dead" safety should never be passed over. Water is not our natural environment and can be dangerous. For example in the USA alone an average of 10 people a year die from just falling into a marina.
These discussions have been insightful and quite moving. Your concern and empathy are obvious and commendable.
In the US there are areas that are very prone to tornados. You can have one house left standing with the one next to it destroyed.
_Exactly. Even one home leveled, the neighbors unaffected wherein an empty styrofoam cup on their front porch was unmoved._
Worked as a yacht skipper for several years and a deck hand before that and never known a boat owner or guests ever participating in any emergency drills!
Please be more assertive. it's your job even now.
@@tedoptional-p8l I am no longer in that industry.
Maybe they'll feel more motivated now....
@@mirandahotspring4019 cause its somehow not deemed important just like esysman shows its not to important otherwise the message would not have been all the way at the end of the vid but more in the start just to get the point across.not everybody watches till the end and it is a very important message in my eyes especially considering the lack off the training of the owners .
Voilà. Probably there is some mathematical anthropological IQ money formula for these situations.
I had a small Everglades boat: unsafe pax never again allowed. The Everglades can be as deadly as The Mediterranean
The 40ft sailing mono that I raced on was only meters away from the Catamaran that flipped in New Zealand and was not touched at all. It ripped a very defined path through the marina. I can definitely see how this has happened!! I photographed this from the top of the mast the day after the event. It was quite unbelievable!!
A very, very pertinent comment.. Thank you! 👍
It may have been an act from God. I’ve seen a waterspout roar past a small marina and the damage was severe. It happened in five seconds.
Appreciate your comment. Rosella was the catamarans name when it was here in Mooloolabah. Just wondering if she was in the water or on the hard when the tornado hit?
@@elizabethmcleod246 oh please
Those of us living in tornado-land know that one house can be "disappeared" and the neighbor's house lightly scathed.
Something I had never thought about. I simply assumed that this would be standard practice on any large vessel. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and a more sensible and intelligent presentation of the events.
There need to be mandatory safety drills, an alarm in all cabins, emergency automatic lighting, immersion suits in all cabins with compact air supply bottle that directly attaches to a face mask with a head torch built in, as recently developed and advertised on RUclips.
Why not include emergency buoyancy airbags to keep the vessel afloat when flooded?
We forget how cruel the sea is, a phrase the inhabitants of Porticello use.
And, Porticello residents have a special prayer when ever they see a waterspout.
And, 34 Porticello residents have died at sea since 1919.
And Porticello has an annual remembrance service at sea.
None of us are here for long.
🙏
Very good advice. I served in royal navy, we did not just have one engineer we had 3, plus captain, 1st leftenant, navigation officers. The ship would not sail if manpower was not up to snuff.
Everyday firfighting drill, man overboard drills were practiced, along with first aid, and lifeboat drills, during daylight and night hours.
Don’t buy a vessel when the chief architect says it’s unsinkable.
And puts an unreasonably large mast on it just for bragging rights of the owner.
@@robmcd didn't they say the titanic was unsinkable?
@@alc5792 The Titanic was claimed by its builders to be 'practically unsinkable'. It was a bold claim, but slightly less bold than the 'unsinkable' claims that movies have added to the story.
any boat that displaces water with air is sinkable. Solid and lighter than water is not sinkable, like a surfboard. Last I recall, we require air to live.
@@robmcd seems like a bad slogan considering theirs gravity and deep water on Earth.
As an owner operator of both sail and motor yachts over many years (albeit much smaller craft) I have never left port with new guests before giving some sort of safety briefing. I find it incredible this is not mandatory on charter class yachts of this size.
well, it's not a charter, it's a private, and the owner can and will do anything he wants.
@@alanoconnor007 just going out with my brother for a day trip he did a safety talk.
@@mbspoobahI'm aware of that but it was charter class ergo my comment.
If you are inside one of these super yachts in a freak storm and it suddenly is flipped onto it's side, you only have seconds to save yourself. As the water rushes in, the incoming torrent will sweep you off your feet and push you deeper inside along with everything else not bolted down. Those near an exit or outside on the deck have a better chance of survival.
Good point , the in gushing water would be very hard to get out.
I was raised in a sailboat racing family. we raced Tartans 30' - 40' in serveral PERF races throughout the midwest and atlantic ocean. those are safety first boats. I never was a fan of these super luxury yachts. of course they are incredible when the invite you on for a tour. but my dad always told me our boat was safer. the masts were excessively high ...unnecessarily. and the focus was on amenities and bragging rights BEFORE safety. The Tartan yachts all had masts that came down into the cabin all the way to the lower cabin floor. so with 10 or more feet of the mast anchored into the cabin that mast was so damn secure. made me feel safe. i never was scared looking up at our mast. it was not going anywhere. but in sailing we our eyes are always drawn to masts and inevitably our minds compare the heights. it's stupid but that's one of the stupid things about us humans. that yacht had the capability of being safe but there were options to make it unsafe (raising the keel for more speed and navigations thru shallow waters, etc.) SAFETY first then luxury is how it should be.
I hear you about mast heights - I involuntarily count the # of spreaders on any boat I see.
@@avatardirect I do too. Can't help it. Ever since I can remember. Heck i even look for dual exhausts on the back of cars...my stupid mind thinks they are way cooler. but my adult mind reminds me that im falling into a dumb trap.
Every super yacht should have a tender
@@luislongoria6621 well i mean they had a lifeboat. that's a tender.
wait isnt another one of the reasons the mast isnt supposed to be so high is so that it can properly disperse potential energy from lightening. thats what i read in my manual when i bought my first sail boat?
Like A LOT. Former writer of SOLAS documentation here. I know there are many guarding against early speculation regarding this accident. However, there is a plain to see picture forming based on information from dozens of sources across the sector. In fact, it is similar to the situation seen with private helicopters. Basically, your money cannot buy your way out of physics.
It's a similar story to the helicopter crash with Kobe Bryant where the captain flew in fog, not having instrument navigation, only visual, despite fog warnings. I think captains will veer away from safety protocol when they have clients with a lot of money.
Well said. One look at that enormous mast and I thought "I wouldn't want to go to sea in that".
@@masspence1 That's like saying I don't care about you even if you are paying me.
@@stephenburnage7687 The boat was well designed.
It looked astonishingly wide. It must have massive windage.
You might clarify that charter guests - those hiring superyachts for a week or two to cruise a particular area - do genrally get a pre-cruise safety brief. Private yachts or charter yachts when the UBO is using the boat, are a different story. The owner and close family being familiar with their surroundings onboard may well not feel they need such a safety brief nor would wish any guests they have brought with them inconvenienced by one. When an owner is reluctant to do anything, even something as patently important as this, a Captain may well have to tread carefully when insisting. It should also be born in mind that the regulations for private yachts carying less than 12 guests are minimal compared with the same yacht if carrying more than 12 guests or if registered as a commercial yacht.
@ecnaruaL.." When an owner is reluctant to do anything, even something as patently important as this, a Captain may well have to tread carefully when insisting." I suspect this event might change some minds
@@ecnaruaL hence the captain designation.
Note it in the log "Owner refuses safety drill"
Wow. I would think any Captain should insist in no uncertain terms that everyone MUST be given the drill. I dont give a damn what Mr Richie Rich thinks. Sure, he owns the boat but as Captain it needs to be perfectly clear the he is responsible for the safe operation and safety of all on board.
The Captain is in charge of the vessel. THAT’S why he is CAPTAIN!
@@pagit69 That would be a good way of not having your employment contract renewed.
Great to have an experienced hand like yourself to sort the wheat from the chaff.
It seems some people think they can be saved by wearing a tin foil hat.
It will never happen to me attitude it seems.
Sysman shows us honesty.🎉
On our private 70' yacht, we show all our guests, soon after boarding, the location of all life jackets, emergency raft, medical kit, fire equipment and we briefly discuss general emergency procedures like MOB (man overboard). In any emergency, all people are instructed to come up on deck. It only takes 5 minutes and what I find most interesting is, the guests really appreciate it. In fact, additional questions and discussions about boat safety and what to do in various emergency situations take place long after the initial emergency instructions.
If you've ever worked on boats like this, when engines or generators are running (at least one generator running to supply power to HVAC system), the noise in the engine room is pretty damned loud, even with the generators enclosed in their sound protection covers. It becomes automatic to close those bulkhead doors every time you exit the engine room to keep the sound and heat isolated. Of course, there's a chance a door was open during crew prep for approaching storm at the worst possible moment. Also, it's VERY common for "deck hands" to perform anchor watch duties, so there were at least 4 possibilities including the 1st mate, in addition to Captain and Engineer, but you'll rarely see either on an anchor watch.
I think you are right about those watertight doors. A lot of this is hubris imo and I think the investigation will likely find that. A criminal investigation has been opened. The vessel data that has already been accessed seems to show the vessel shaking violently (a waterspout?) at 3.50 am and the anchor breaking. It then showed the vessel moving approx 350 meters before sinking just 16 mins later. So what the crew did in that 16 mins is as critical as what the overnight mooring protocol was on board. Your point about boats drills is correct. The first thing I check when travelling on any ship is where the life rafts decks are, where the life jackets are and that the walkways and doorways to those things are not locked. I have to say that on many occasions, I have found exits to life raft decks locked and in one case chained on commercial ferries. I now travel with my own inflatable life jacket, because I just do not trust the ability or experience of staff to get people off quickly. Ex Navy here, so evacuation drills and shipping hazards are muscle memory
In safety analysis, we call it complacency.
In 16 mins, there would be time to alert the owner/guests and have them assemble in the lounge in lifejackets - if that was the fire drill plan. Instead, we have the lady with the baby saying she was already on deck and the next thing she knew, she was in the water. Since the cook was found in the water and outside the vessel, it suggests he had come out from the quarters along with all the staff. Perhaps he was the last one out and/or got hurt when everyone was thrown overboard. Meaning that all the staff got out in time - why not the others.
@@Mady-lo6qb Yeah, it sounds as though the vessel was already listing and then rolled and sank very quickly. The crew (who mostly slept in the bow compartments), were able to get up on deck quickly through the forward hatch. The engineer slept in a stern compartment behind the engine room and survived, probably through the aft hatch. The guests who died slept in the guest cabins that were in the middle lower deck of the hull. I had a look at the plans and the hull had five compartments with watertight bulkheads in between. Two compartments could flood without it sinking, but that required the watertight doors in those bulkheads to be closed. The bodies were found at opposite ends of the hull. The deck lounge had glass watertight sliding doors.
So lots of questions there. Were the watertight doors open (and that includes hatches)? Did the failure to have the keel down take away the ability of the vessel to right itself if blown over with that high mast? The guests that survived seemed to have been on the upper deck, sleeping in the lounge areas. What was the level of preparedness of the crew for monitoring weather patterns and storm protocol? What was the protocol for evacuation in a worst case scenario, and how often was that practised?
Engline power is essential in storms to maintian control. The boat that rescued those who made it to a life raft has said how he saw the weather turning and got the engines on and prepped his vessel for it. If he had time to do that, so did the captain of the Bayesian.
That is shocking to me that it’s not typical for yacht owners and their guests to participate in an evacuation drill. Seems like something that should be required by law, like wearing a seatbelt in a car.
These are the most arrogant people on the planet, they thought they were indestructible.
@@byteme9718 There is a huge element of luck in life. I imagine that many of these people start to believe in their own luck.
The law applies only to poor peoples.
@@byteme9718 Yup, he had just lawyered his way out a criminal conviction.
It is required by law. They just can't be arsed and the Captain would fear for his job if he was to demand the law was followed. This is the marine world - would never happen in the aviation industry.
I am so sorry for the families I pray you can find peace
This has been probably the most informative video I have ever listened to on what goes on on yachts. I have sailed all my life, crewed on big boats, have the required qualifications too.
And many of what has been mentioned here, is of no surprise to me. The schematic on the Bayesian were in great detail. Making it all very concise and too clear, on some of the things that can go wrong on such a large complex super yacht. I found the crew issue very familiar.
I have never been on a yacht with enough of a crew that could perform all the tasks required in heavy challenging weather. Some crew would be light on experience with all the qualifications but low on sea miles. They would be afraid to go out on deck sometimes to secure something, or tie down something that had got loose, endangering the boat in heavy weather. I’m not surprised. Sometimes all the training in the world and experience at sea, can test the sanity of any hardened sailor. I’d like to hear of some tightening up on some of the safety procedures after this yachting accident. With some new regulations and drills, with safety logs signed by passengers for guests on these super yachts, stating they had been through a safety briefing for the vessel. It’s been a very sad, situation being in the wrong place wrong time. Because a fisherman who had planned to go fishing at 3:30am showed up. But decided not when he saw thunder and lightening close to 4am. He also said he saw the waterspout approaching, and that it was diverted by the high harbour wall, but as it was turned away and around, it then headed straight for the Bayesian full on.
So I am no super yacht captain. I do captain my own private 53 foot sailing vessel . I guarantee you anyone that steps foot on my boat gets a full saftey drill when they board my vessel . Everything from life rafts , EPIRB’s in their sailing vests , the main vessel and the two life rafts. They know where all the fire extinguishers are . What the smoke and CO alarms sound like . Where first aid kits are and emergency flashlights . How to operate the VHF, the Marine radio and Ham. They have to know how to deploy life rafts , operate all the equipment in the rafts and get into their survival suits.
Now if I am a rich dude I guarantee I am going to have a abundance of well trained, well rested and well accommodated crew over a few more bloody toys. My bridge would be manned 24/7 by well rested qualified staff.
Bit that is probably why I will never be rich.
Lol. Your 50 footer does not come close to this vessel.
What is your briefing for a tornado?
@@mattk8810 Your right it does not and I was in no way comparing it to this vessel. What I was pointing out was that saftey briefings on super yachts are Abysmal compared to serious sailing vessels not floating luxury hotels .
As for surviving what that yacht encountered it was a freak accident and I doubt many vessels of similar size or smaller would without a lot of luck.
I have had 50 years at sea and have been fortunate enough to have never faced a water spout. Hopefully with the years I have left I will not ever and I will die of old age at the helm of my boat.
I did hurricane and tornado disaster work in Florida. A hurricane will blow a computer into the next town. A tornado will pull EVERY key off a computer keyboard. Huge difference.
There is no such phenomenon in the Mediterranean sea....
@@Carolinapetroska Si hay tornados en el Mediterráneo, se llaman "trombas marinas".
I was a semi-pro/ professional private sailing yacht/racing sailboat crew and captain for a good number of years and sailed +100,000nm (w/100's of guests, crew) on primarily small (~25 M) vessels. In my experience, besides one non race-boat owner the only time vessels did emergency drills when the owner was onboard was when they participated in some ocean racing events because it was required. None of the bigger yachts I crewed on (mostly temporary positions) did drills when guests/owners were onboard.
Yeah, not a normal occurrence. And the crew is not guilty of gross negligence here
@@deankruse2891 I imagine it is being asked of the command staff how much thought they put into the storm warnings that morning as more successfully perhaps exemplified by the older sailing yacht anchored ahead of them.
@@TB-zf7we i am not aware of what the older sailing yacht did differently, but not closing a hatch or window would be catastrophic in that storm. If the boat is intact on the sea floor, then it wasn't really a design flaw with teh yacht, any vessel would have been knocked down by those winds given the boats orientation and manner of mooring.
@@deankruse2891Agreed
I was also a semi- professional skipper with paying guests on boats only up to 16m. But we always made an intense safety - instruction before leaving the harbour first time. Lasting for ca. 3 hours .
As always very well stated very well said I started out at 18 in air sea rescue worked in the shipbuilding business building Navy ships for 30 years. I have never give up sailing. I am 82 and still own and sale a 40 foot sailboat. I always enjoy your ventures on RUclips.
Really good to hear you're still in good health and sailing at 82 years young. A friend of mine said at 45 he started flying a plane and at 50 riding a motorcycle. He stopped flying at 80 when he said he had to think about things that should come automatically. He was still riding at 85 when he retired from the YMCA I taught in. Said it kept him young. May your sailing do the same for you for many more years.
How much do you want for your boat? (sorry, I'm feeling cheeky, and I couldn't resist - since you said you "sale" your boat). Great size of boat by the way - big enough to have some room, but still small enough to handle with two people (or one if you're particularly organised and spritely). At that size everything is still small enough to have a bit of directness to the controls (going up to boat sizes where electric winches are needed means sailing just doesn't feel like sailing anymore in my opinion).
As a dinghy sailing maniac, my ideal size yacht is around 28 - 32 feet (so long as I don't have to live on it!). Boats that size can still feel like big dinghies - especially if they have a tiller and the mainsail winch has been ditched and replaced with something like a 4:1 and 12:1 block combo (don't quote me on the exact ratios - just that the setup has a mainsheet within a mainsheet - one for big movements of the boom under light loads and another for nipping up that last bit of tension when things are on tight and everything is leaning over. No clunky winch on the main lets you sit on the side of the cockpit with tiller in one hand and mainsheet in the other playing the boom in and out in the gusts. Nearly bought a boat like that (a young rocket 780) a number of years ago (but, sadly it was not to be).
I did a 4 day cruise in 2016, which i always said I'd never do, because even before Titanic came out, I was fascinated with it. But it was a Backstreet Boys cruise and I couldn't help myself. When we were doing the safety duties, I was thinking I should of brought a notebook. Everyday, I made sure there was the 2 life vests, because I'm terrible with directions, so I knew if something happened, I'd just be following the crowd and hoping they are going the right way. I couldn't imagine getting on a boat and not doing any sort of drill. Also, if I was buying a boat and the person said it was unsinkable, I'd be running away so fast, talk about a red flag
Your conclusion at the end of the video summed up my thoughts. As an airline pilot for over thirty years I wondered about the drills required for passengers. I hope owners will rethink the lackadaisical opinion of emergency preparedness going forward. Also, even if the boat was prepared for heavy weather, when the boat heeled over to near 90 degrees, the pax, having not been properly briefed may have opened otherwise watertight doors. The sea, as the air, is a very unforgiving medium.
I found your channel after this terrible accident and I greatly appreciate you sharing your experience.
THANKS ESYSMAN For the update and a great suggestion for the owners👍💚💚💚
To some commenters about open hatches: Visit such a yacht and go through. You will be in large areas were no natural airflow can occur. Living in there is only possible by aircon since it not only cools the cabins but also air them. This and other aircon is always on and the doors are usually closed.
Especially in a storm with high wind and rain. It's been mentioned though that the crew could have come up harch from berthing area through the hatch and left it open. Very possible they came up to respond to anchor dragging before water spout.
I found this channel by accident. Didn’t know I would enjoy it so much. Very well done, professional, thoughtful, easy going but serious at the same time, informative, likable…,
Sy Bayesian, formally Salute, has a GRT of 473, and was built to the UK large commercial yacht code for vessel under 500 GRT. The code is less stringent for vessels under 500 GRT. A similar length motor yacht, would be well over 500 GRT. Assuming she takes charters, she must be manned and operated in compliance to the same code. For vessels under 500 GRT the code states “watertight doors in yachts under 500GT may be approved hinged doors provided that there is an audible and visual alarm on the Bridge indicating when the door is open. The doors are to be kept closed at sea and marked accordingly”
Looking at the GA of this vessel, I see two hinged water tight doors in the lower deck accommodations, and one between the engine room and lazarette. While at anchor, and with guest aboard, these doors would be kept open, this is normal practice, and compliant with the large yacht code. These doors are secondary to a typical lighter bulkhead door, used as the primary door to separate the compartments.
Hinged water tight doors are cumbersome and heavy, and can easily cause serious injury while trying to operate while at sea. Typically on a vessel like this, these doors are deployed when expecting very rough weather, or on a passage where access to the compartment beyond is not routine.
It’s very likely the vessel took up to a 90 deg knockdown. Had she been underway at sea, and prepared for rough weather, she would have survived the event. She was simply not prepared for such a knockdown, and the resulting downflooding to whole lower deck through the one or two main deck hatches that would have been open. I doubt very much the side shell door was open.
The keel is central to understanding this issue. Sailing boats and yachts are designed to remain upright, even with sails raised in strong winds. In my experience, I've only seen a sailboat capsize and stay on its side when the keel has come loose. Normally, if a boat is knocked over, it should right itself before enough water enters to compromise its stability. This raises questions about such occurrences.
Having been on several commercial cruises, I am shocked that owners would not WANT to do full guest drills. Your life could be at stake!
Owning a boat doesn't grant one the power to disembark the Grim Reaper, who travels incognito wherever there's life. Invulnerability is only a feeling--and a deceiving one at that.
ESysman is right. In the 15 years I worked on yachts, it has never happened.
guests don't want them either, at least these luxury yacht users. they just wanna rent for a weekend or week for a party or vacation and they just wanna enjoy, safety drills unfortunately isn't what they are looking for, they want experience and are ready for to pay for it. many seem to think expensive or luxury yacht can't sink so what the point, just based on social media comments about this case. unfortunately... seems crew/captain also was little too confident about the yacht bc the bad weather wasn't surprise, they would have had time to close doors or prepare life raft but thought storm will pass...
Hey. Does anyone know the name of the black sailing yacht at 14:30?
I've been on many cruises and the attitude of 99% of the passengers is the safety drills showing everyone their 'muster station' etc was just a nuisance and half the passengers were already drunk when attending these safety drills.
Small tornadoes can do incredible things. I remember in my house garden we had a small tornado that snapped some tree and threw meters away an heavy old iron stove, while leaving untouched an half empty plastic bottle of water.
I remember in my youth I was driving a big John Deere tractor in west Texas, saw and ran into a Dust Devil which is just a small cousin of a spout or tornado, well that got my attention. If these guys indeed got hit by a spout, all bets are off and there is nothing in the manual.
I read somewhere that there was a party on that boat (to celebrate the victory at court) which lasted the whole night. One lady who was saved with her baby said she was in bed since 5 minutes whe she felt the boat tilting. So that had to be around 4, 4.30 in the morning. And the crew toghether with the wife of Mr Lynch were all on deck at that hour... what if they were all drunk? They might have forgotten the lazarette open, they failed to start the engine to keep the bow to the wind when anchor lost its grip, and also forgot to lower the centreboard... it would not be the first time that a boat sinks because of alcohol..
This is the problem
Not enough crew not enough sleep
With 1 foot 🦶 you always in jail as a captain
This why I quit large yachts and charter long time ago
Appreciate that you addressed my observation of the deep anchorage what a great channel !
I suspect that the Captain dare I say it thought he was aboard probably the safest Vessel in the Anchorage ?
Complacency creeps in and the next thing you know the Sea will expose your fallacies ?
I've been on my Vessel on the North Sea/East coast for 20 years now and the truth is there's nothing Glamorous about it at all in fact I've been under the mercy of the Sea many times through fatigue and tiredness and if she wanted to take me I'm sure it could've happened but that's the risk all real Sea lovers take ?
In this instance these poor people who lost there lives probably thought they were sleeping in a boutique hotel on land and unfortunately that's the problem here as you never can totally relax
especially on Anchorage at night mainly because of Drag ?
I mean I've always got an emergency Grab bag to take in the event of a rapidly moving situation aboard especially at night on anchorage ?
It's very sad for all involved and I bet the Crew are so traumatised aswell
All my experience is with oil tankers, working shoreside as a naval architect and marine engineer. I started working when there were still radio operators onboard. Starting in the early 1980s there was a constant push to reduce crew size. I do not believe there are sufficient numbers of crew onboard commercial vessels. I do not believe there are adequate numbers to sustain a response to say, a fire or other emergency.
With regards to drills and donning life jackets, every time I sailed with a ship I was required to attend emergency drills and participate in the drill. I remember one drill where the subject was immersion, or gumby, suits. At that safety drill, the Master required that I be the one to demonstrate putting on and wearing the gummy suit. I put it on at the start of the drill and I wore it through the drill. I know how to put on an immersion suit. I learned something new at each drill.
I don't care if you are an owner, a passenger, a guest, or someone from the office you should participate in safety drills. You should know where your muster station is, you should know how to put on lifesaving equipment, and what the emergency signals are. You should also know how to reach the emergency exits.
Wealth does not protect you from accidents, it didn't on the Titanic, it didn't on the Titan, and it didn't in this case.
Could not have stated it better myself as a former US Merchant Mariner.
In the first week that I started a new job, there was a pretty bad earthquake. It was the first time I heard the train sound. And the first thing in my head was - crap, I don't know where the emergency exits are. 😬😬😆😆
I think of all your very valid points, the one that demonstrates the probable cause of this accident was the film from New Zealand graphically showing the 45 metre yacht getting flattened in seconds is the most pertinent. The fact that all those on deck were ejected into the water as the yacht got flattened violently, suggests it was exactly this. All the talk of doors or hatches being open is secondary, none of the crew could ever have imagined the yacht getting knocked down, whilst at anchor with the sails stowed. Given the obvious force of nature required to do that, makes a total nonsense of trying to blame someone!
The designer might be to blame. Filling up quickly and being unable to right itself are bad properties of a sailing boat.
Your comment makes great sense. I was reading that sailboats should be able to right themselves with 110 to 120 degrees or more of angle. Yet this yacht even with keel down would not right itself after 88 degrees per the financial times article.
@@martinsaunders2942 Were the sails furled and stowed?
@@CC-xn5xi - Yes
"None of the crew could ever have imagined ..." When at sea, you always plan for the unexpected. Doors, portholes, hatches, windows, should always be closed, shut and dogged down. Especially at night when there may only be two watchkeepers awake. Furthermore, a watch keeper should always be on the bridge to monitor fire alarms, radio traffic, dragging anchors and weather conditions. An intense squall as described would be visible approaching by S-band and X-band radar in which case the Captain should be alerted and appropriate actions taken.
"Necessary quarters, for the right amount of crew, for the safety of the vessel are accounted for and not instead of those things": totally agree!! Beyond tight quarters for crew where private living space is the width of a single bed is dehumanizing.
I sail my own 51 ft sailing yacht and have had problems with superyachts at anchor many times over the last 20 years. They never responded to a vhf call at night when they start to drag down on to me and once this occured in day light when they knew they were too close and promised to keep an anchor watch, which they didn't. Unfortunately, I have grown to distruss superyacht crews and always keep a wide berth and rather than argue with them. I prefer to move anchorges when they anchor too close.
It's crazy to me that most owners do not participate in a boat drill. That would be the first thing I would want to do. Even when I got my first kayak, I made sure I could self rescue by jumping out of it at sea and practicing getting back in. This should be standard practice for anyone on the water. Thanks very much for your videos on this riviting story. I look forward to them from you.
Thanks for an informed and fair assessment of what is known so far.
If I had a yacht, I would want the cabin crew to be happy and well rested. This means they would need decent rooms as well as plenty of down time. Seeing the opulent interiors of these huge yachts, to me, is obscene. I would be embarrassed to sit in that over the top splendor, while the crew struggled to fit through the doorways to their bed-length room. Apparently, billionaires have no shame.
Food for thought.
You would probably feel differently if you were a billionaire
@@drspock3454if you think differently you might become a billionaire!
@@drspock3454 Yes, because you’re a selfish egomaniac and your staff are monkeys for your use.
Some don't, the ones that do don't make stupid decisions and don't ever make the news.
I am a hobby captain chartering vessels. Mostly with my family. And i need to say you deliver these informations in a way that really goes deep. No finger pointing, no blame. Maybe this is one of the good things after such a tragedy: That people who want to learn, can learn from these incidents.
I know nothing about superyacht. The way you explain it, it's very easy to understand.
Any comments from the yacht designers and builders are very reckless at this point. They have little information to go by. Seems an aggressive campaign to put blame on the crew before knowing what happened.
FYI. The retractable keel was in the up position thus the boat to recover from a 90 deg knockdown. With the keel extended, the boat can take a 120 deg knockdown
Sorry, you are wrong. The designers and builders are much more educated on the possibilities of failure than anyone else.
@@ohsweetmystery They know the boat better than anyone but they don't know how the events unfolded.
Mistakes in judgement happen every day; even on the high sea !! ..
@@ohsweetmystery that is most little true how ever that do t have all the facts to work with. As any professional engineer will not draw any conclusions to they know if all. And to claim a vessel is unsinkable calls from the CEO calls In to question there motives.
We have never done drills with our boss or his family or friends onboard. Our captain has always given bosses guests a tour of the boat which includes where the life saving equipment is. Unfortunately this is not always the way things are done on other boats
A tour is not a boat, fire or MOB drill. This should be corrected and all drills recorded in the log book with a list of participants.
If you think about drill on cruiseships, I don't recall anything above get your lifejucket and assemble at muster point when alarm sounds. If there would be no alarm and I had to make my decisions, I could well be lost, or too late.
This is just so horrific and tragic. 💔💔💔
The most sensible commentary seen so far about this situation. Extremely sad what happened there.
A sailing boat is a sailing boat. The problem is that super rich people like to have it all, turning everything in to a hybrid. In this case, a sailing boat (yacht) with a 5 stars hotel inside it with a retractable keel, compromising the stability of the boat and diluting the safety standard one would expect living and working on a sailing boat! In Nelson's navy, the sailor found sleeping on watch would have been drastically punished by public flogging with the cat o' nine tails as he endangers the lives of the entire crew on board! With all that money, he should have bought 2 boats - a conventional sailing boat for sailing staffed by professional crew and a luxurious yacht for cruises which is a lot heavier in tonnage and more stable.
I was trained that the lives onboard are the captains responsibility. Doing safety drills should never be optional, surprised they are
Yeah, but the time and chaos of this event is very specific. We want to blame someone, and there is an argument to be made that more should have been done, but really this was a tragic set of circumstances and not gross negligence
Taking a deep breath here.
I realize that this most definitely sounds like a conspiracy theory but…I saw a huge red flag when I read that Mike Lynch’s co-defendant in the fraud case (they were acquitted) was hit (and killed) by a car a day or two later!! Does not appear to be a hit and run as the female driver was mentioned but dang that’s a helluva coincidence.
“There are no coincidences” and “Make it look like an accident” flashed through my mind.
The six crew members got off the yacht (one -the chef-perished) and all the passengers (including the attorney) died.
At any rate, it sounds like a good story plot. Maybe there will be a movie.
Etap (Belgian boat builder) used to built unsinkable yachts. But the biggest one was 48 feet. You could fill them with water and still they did not sink. Their hull had a fibreglass foam sandwich construction.
I have an Etap (only the 28i) I understand it could be sawn in half and both halves would float, but I don't know if that's true. I do know it could still catch fire, or other calamities are possible, so I'm not relying wholly on the unsinkableness.
Foam can saturate too, over time. It's horrible stuff.
If they hit a rock and break, they do sink. Of course, nothing is "unsinkable". Unsinkable in this context means that it's not the tempest that makes them sink.
@@uffa00001 you are wrong, these hulls do not sink. You can break the boat in 2 and both parts will float, look it up
@@MrAppelvink OK, what I mean is that "unsinkable" is not to be read as "regardless of human behaviour". I hope it is clear now.
Another excellent informed post.
Fascinating video and good to hear some truths and facts about the boat and crew. I'm a qualified commercial yacht skipper though never worked on anything as big as this. As you say crew is ten, but just 3 qualified watch keepers, and they need their time off as much as anyone.
It wouldn't surprise me if investigators found that it was a combination of watertight doors being insecure and the keel being retracted at the time of the storm.
According to the divers they noted the keel was partially raised while lying on the sea floor but the news article also said the keel could have jerked loose when it hit the sea floor so nothing is confirmed yet.
Exactly -- plus human factors
You’re a very wise man and I hope so owners take your advice. This is not something most of a us really want to hear about. thank you for all this information.
I'm glad all were recovered. RIP and best wishes to the families going forward.
I can’t believe the boat builder is so quiet to blame the crew and not wait for the facts to come out. He’s probably scared of getting sued for a bad design.
Perini Navi is not more in business...sold to china
He's protecting his brand by attacking the human error. He doesnt want facts at this stage.
It likely is both. But humans have to be attentive and responsible
Quiet! Why is this word here? It makes no sense!
@@martynrich5187Correct. Getting ahead of the game. Pure commercial concern for him at this stage. Damage control. Stuff the families who are grieving g. Just protect your brand. I actually see it from his side too. He wants to look after the company who are probably innocent and the boat is a good boat. Wrong place wrong time. But you can’t blame the crew when things happen so fast. Then it’s pandemonium.
Whenever the crew survives and the passengers all die, questions get asked. And when you factor in that it took 16 minutes to sink, these will be hard questions.
I own a small yacht only a fraction of the size of that sunken yacht. My yacht also has a hydraulic lifting balasted keel. When I bought my yacht she was in a very sheltered bay moored to a pontoon keel up, with 3 other boats, attached to shoreline. I had to move her, because the pontoon also had to be moved and was for sale. I left the keel raised while I motored to a leased mooring in a much larger bay. I only had my 3.2m kayak at the time as a tender. The mooring was in deep water but close to shore same as. The 3rd trip to my yacht I found just how open and exposed the bay was to severe winds when coming from the western mountain. Too severe for me to get aboard my yacht using the kayak, the wind and choppy wave action left me soaked and nearly capsized. I sat in my car just observing the actions of my yacht in those windy conditions, she was certainly healing to those 100klm wind gusts, too much swing with the keel raised. After that I doubled the size and weight of my mooring line and swivel, and also lowered the keel down about 1/3 while on the mooring. With a powered dinghy I often stayed aboard in all weathers after that and especially after working 3 night shifts. She is a stable platform even to do some work, or sleep.
I have complete confidence in my yacht to be self righting in any knock down or even a full role, but with the keel and balast fully raised that's questionable for sure?? The weight ratio of my mast isn't, even with the mainsail furled on the boom, not in the mast. But just looking at that sunken yacht and having been knocked down to that extent so easily is more than questionable?? Also how so much water got in, so quickly, to prevent that yacht self righting.
I doubt it was ever safe or seaworthy. The captain certainly has a lot to answer to, considering the weather warnings etc.
Yep he is in trouble
Constantino has been talking a lot about the crew making all of the errors because he is trying to get out ahead of any potential lawsuits.
It was an Italian impassioned statement.
See above statement. He was defending his superior design.
One cnnot prevent lawsuits by making statements like this. They will come regrdless if there is a merit. At most he might try to secure the purchases that are under way, so they don't fall through. Yachts capsizing is very rare if maintained and used properly.
What he says has little bearing once the facts are gathered.
yeh, hows he gonna sell another superyacht if he admits to a bad design, he has to say its the crew
Unthinkable that a ship would be unsinkable. I am shocked by Constantino’s allegations just to protect his company. 7 dead for god’s sake.
Italy is notorious for pressing criminal charges against engineers and designers and scientist in the wake of accidents. I think he's reacting the way people do in a country where there's a good chance either you or the captain will end up in prison over this.
How can a person be held accountable for such a freak accident. This not a foreseeable accident and could not reasonably be prevented.
@@oldmech619That's the thing though, there is a good chance this WAS an avoidable accident be cause the yaught only filled up with water the way it did as a result of humans failing to close hatches etc
@@harrickvharrick3957but nobody knows as yet how it filled with water. At this point there is just a lot of assumptions, due to the fact that body recovery has been the main goal until now.
A waterspout is not just water spinning, it is water that has been lifted and is falling. A lot of water. This boat could have been buttoned up tight, with that much mass pounding down on it, probably any boat would sink, unsinkable or not. With enough flotation i.e. buoyancy it might pop up again, but the water pressure at depth likely blew hatches and ports in this case. If people need to place blame they should blame the waterspout.
Anyone who lives in the Midwest or South of the US knows that tornados will cleave a relatively narrow and random line as it moves. It is not usual to see one side of a street flattened and 20yds across the street, just fine. JK
@@johnsmith-tn8rn Agree. I live in the Midwest. Almost 30 years ago we had a tornado hit the east side of town and the following night there was another tornado on the west side. It ripped away a large metal building which was part of a lumber yard but there were some boards stacked outside in the parking lot and it didn't touch those, they were still stacked undisturbed about 10 yards from the front door. The building and the rest of the lumber were gone or scattered over a large area.
@@phillipaj.5588This is exactly how I visualised it in my own head. Not jumping on conspiracy theory, it was he or it’s his fault. That was one mighty storm. In a previous video from esysman, he shows a yacht being flipped from stern down bow up in the air! So that’s exactly how I saw it!
My friend's house was leveled in a tornado with her in it. She had a couple of seconds of warning. Everything was gone. She crawled out from under total rubble. It was a miracle that she lived. Someone returned her purse from ten miles away. Her neighbors house didn't lose a roof shingle.
DEFINITELY seen MANY tornadoes in Florida do that. 1998 and 2008 .Two different tornadoes. Both between midnight and 5 am. No possibility to know it was coming. One went right beside my brothers house through his pasture..killed 28 people behind him. ( including my friend Steve and his 8 and 10 year old children ) Spending days searching for the eventual body recovery . Another crossed the end of my sister’s driveway . 19 people before and after her house lost their lives. I don’t take it lightly how close I came to losing my family.
@@gnostic268 my buddy Steve and his 2 young children died in one. I was with search and rescue for 2 days looking for their bodies. Like you mentioned about non disturbance..Steve was he was working on a 1966 Bronco in his lean to. His trailer was gone..but the service manual was still on the page of what he was working on? Bronco and lean to untouched..but absolutely no part of his trailer was left. I can’t imagine how terrifying it must have been for these people?
Be more careful with what you say : G. Constatino never said the boat was « unsinkable »
People need to understand this is not an option in Italy but an obligation. There is obligatory action if facts may involve some sort of culpability when people die. Seven people died this is no game. A prosecutor however is also a judge (and is independent from the government) so if he finds there are no elements can archive the case but cannot decide “not to investigate” as in other countries. If he (or she) continues there will be judges to sanction or not any action he takes against people (arrest, preliminary investigation judge, preliminary trial judge, trial judges, appeal judges etc.)
thanks for this information. Yes, knowledge may have saved lives.
Thankyou for your great advice. I realize these yacht owners are used to ordering people to do this or that but in this situation their lives are at stake as we now know.
A rain wrapped tornado hit Goderich Ont 🇨🇦 8:01 in 2011. No one saw it. The devastation was astounding.
I watch your channel from time to time. This is by far the most important video I’ve seen, especially regarding owner & client safety. My father was a private pilot. On every trip he did, he briefed his passengers, eg emergency brace position, oxygen masks, emergency operation of the doors, etc. This included his family. He never took safety for granted and neither did we, and it was never an inconvenience to be briefed. And different planes have slightly different procedures and everyone no matter how often they have flown (or sailed) should ever take their briefing for granted. I also did a lot of sailing as a child and we were always briefed on safety gear, etc.
Brilliant vlog again and quite incredible that guests not trained in a boat drill ! Keep them coming