Mendelssohn: 4. Sinfonie (»Italienische«) ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Andrés Orozco-Estrada

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
  • Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy:
    4. Sinfonie A-Dur op. 90 (»Italienische«) ∙
    (Auftritt) 00:00 ∙
    I. Allegro vivace 00:12 ∙
    II. Andante con moto 10:47 ∙
    III. Con moto moderato 17:27 ∙
    IV. Saltarello. Presto 23:38 ∙
    hr-Sinfonieorchester - Frankfurt Radio Symphony ∙
    Andrés Orozco-Estrada, Dirigent ∙
    Konzert ohne Publikum ∙
    hr-Sendesaal Frankfurt, 10. Dezember 2020 ∙
    Website: www.hr-sinfonieorchester.de ∙
    Facebook: / hrsinfonieorchester
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Комментарии • 181

  • @branweg
    @branweg 3 года назад +169

    The few "advantages" of not having public is no noising/coughing :D

    • @detectivehome3318
      @detectivehome3318 3 года назад +7

      Agreed.

    • @TempodiPiano
      @TempodiPiano 3 года назад +16

      and there is not this stupid guy at the end who screams "bravo" to show that he knows when the music is finished.

    • @palomarlever
      @palomarlever 3 года назад +2

      That is specially true during this Covid pandemia

    • @MrZemme
      @MrZemme 3 года назад +6

      I don't know. It's a live performance. I know there's a glory to hearing it whole, but there's a joy (if no glory) to hearing the audience react, especially if they're particularly boisterous. I miss that.

    • @mottiarad8152
      @mottiarad8152 3 года назад

      @@detectivehome3318 לתת

  • @Salatstrunk
    @Salatstrunk 3 года назад +45

    Dieses Orchester, mit diesem Dirigenten: Für mich unschlagbar. Grandios!

  • @averagestudent5222
    @averagestudent5222 2 года назад +12

    I love this conductor. He dances so well

  • @nataliagomezramos6279
    @nataliagomezramos6279 2 года назад +10

    Andrés Orozco-Estrada is the most talented conductor born in Colombia. He grew up in a poor neighborhood at
    Medellín, Colombia.

  • @francoziliani7631
    @francoziliani7631 3 года назад +71

    a stunning orchestra, in my humble opinion one of the better German orchestra today and a great conductor. An interpretation full of energy, explosive, very brilliant, with a great vitalism, who reveal all the detail of this famous Mendelssohn Symphony. My congratulations to Andrés Orozco-Estrada and to all the member of this great orchestra

  • @marc230
    @marc230 3 года назад +40

    Thank god we have an orchestra playing like this available these days on internet. Thank all of you from Frankfurt Radio Symphony and Orozco-Estrada.

  • @julieandrews730
    @julieandrews730 Год назад +11

    I LOVE this orchestra and Maestro Orozco-Estrada. Sound quality is outstanding! So grateful for these pandemic concerts for those of us stuck in our armchairs at home.

  • @luizamsalgado
    @luizamsalgado 3 года назад +49

    Wonderful! The heroes of Franfurt and Orozco-Estrada! A gift for us in lockdown! Thank you!!!!!

    • @Chunkfterbi7183
      @Chunkfterbi7183 3 года назад +4

      Yes! It's really a great gift the Hr band and Orosco Etrada offer us so graciously in this difficult situation.

  • @danielegreco-violista
    @danielegreco-violista 3 года назад +81

    0:11 - I Allegro vivace
    10:45 - II Andante con moto
    17:28 - III Con moto moderato
    23:37 - IV Saltarello. Presto

  • @sergiocontrerss2650
    @sergiocontrerss2650 Год назад +5

    This orquestra is always sooo good. Thanks all, especially the conductor!

  • @jacquelinemasola4449
    @jacquelinemasola4449 3 года назад +14

    Splendide pour débuter l'année 2021 ! Très beau son, bon enregistrement, excellent musicien et un chef enthousiaste et simple. Merci au Frankfurt Radio Symphonie pour cette diffusion.

  • @gregoriokuhn9146
    @gregoriokuhn9146 2 года назад +13

    Grandiosa sinfonía. Me encantó. Excelente versión!!! Bravo 💪👌

  • @dafrase50
    @dafrase50 3 года назад +21

    I'm amazed at the sounds they get with the reduced staff. I do miss some of my favorite players...

    • @williamlin5382
      @williamlin5382 3 года назад +2

      @Alan Deutsch I might be mistaken, but I think what she means is that, since there are fewer players and the players are more spread apart, the sound seems to be more spacious, compared to when the players are more tightly packed together

  • @matiasbustafan1205
    @matiasbustafan1205 Год назад +2

    OMG!!! My favorite orchestra ever! Amazing Maestro Orozco-Estrada!

  • @tgv3000
    @tgv3000 2 года назад +5

    J'adore la grande musique. Cette symphonie est vraiment magnifique. Et le chef d'orchestre est super sympa et dynamique ... !

  • @bobmartin7399
    @bobmartin7399 3 года назад +45

    The camera-work is not often commented on, but here it is outstanding.

    • @harryhagan5937
      @harryhagan5937 2 года назад +2

      It always is, I think. It adds so much!

    • @user-ey5dl7qd3j
      @user-ey5dl7qd3j Год назад

      여기는 분명히한국인대 댓글이 한글이 안 보이고 영어로만 댓글이보이네요 외국인만 듣나요 이해가 안감니다

  • @user-ni1gr7hl2d
    @user-ni1gr7hl2d 3 года назад +11

    Ich freue mich, Ihnen zuzuhören !!!! Sie haben Ihr eigenes Gesicht und Ihren eigenen Leistungsstil, was mich nicht gleichgültig lässt. Andrés Orozco-Estrada ist ein charismatischer Dirigent. Ich hoffe, dass das Coronavirus es satt hat, uns zu tyrannisieren, und dass dann wieder alle Konzertsäle mit dankbaren Musikliebhabern gefüllt werden. In der Zwischenzeit wünsche ich Ihnen allen ein frohes neues Jahr und ich möchte, dass Sie glücklich sind !!!!

    • @stephanmuller_q
      @stephanmuller_q 11 месяцев назад

      nicht der/das virus hat uns tyrannisiert, es waren die politisch verantwortlichen, von denen die tyrannei ausging, auch wenn sie nur als nützliche idioten/marionetten tätig waren

  • @firzaakbarpanjaitan9408
    @firzaakbarpanjaitan9408 3 года назад +24

    Happy New Year everyone! may 2021 be kinder to us all...

  • @emiliaenache9444
    @emiliaenache9444 29 дней назад

    Briliante simfonie! Vivace ca spiritul genial al lui Mendelssohn.Patrimoniu universal.

  • @kallepawlak9808
    @kallepawlak9808 3 года назад +13

    Wie wundervoll ist das denn?! Ein komplettes Orchester tanzt, die ganze Sinfonie dreht sich und schwebt! Andrés Orozco-Estrada schafft es wieder einmal, ein komplettes Ensemble zum Swingen zu bringen. Danke, Südamerika! Wie schön, dass wir den Musikern (die vor leeren Stühlen spielen müssen) hier beim Musizieren zuschauen können. Was für eine Spielfreude ist da zu sehen! Die gibt es bestimmt auch bei anderen Orchestern, aber die zeigen es nicht so wie die Frankfurter. Meine Lieblinge: die wunderbare Clara Andrada de la Calle an der Flöte und Benny Goodman alias Tomaz Mocilnik an der Klarinette. Hoffentlich kann Felix Mendelssohn das irgendwie hören!

    • @MarkusAtHome
      @MarkusAtHome 3 года назад

      Klar hört es dies, Gott sei Dank!

  • @harveypicker1551
    @harveypicker1551 7 месяцев назад +4

    Bravo! The orchestra played with perfect balance and great clarity. The bassoon part was never submerged in the overall wind sound and I heard the inner strings--second violins and violas--as never before. And the stunningly wild tempo of the fourth movement, which is, after all, a wild dance, showcased an orchestra of virtuosi. A truly amazing performance.

  • @jamiegoodnow3093
    @jamiegoodnow3093 2 года назад +7

    Wow… just amazing! The last movement is just perfection. Mendelssohn played the way it was meant to be! Thank you so much.

  • @albertodelbuono
    @albertodelbuono 6 месяцев назад +4

    È sempre un'enorme piacere ascoltare i concerti della hr-Sinfonieorchester. Le musicalissime interpretazioni, le riprese sia audio che visive di eccellente qualità ne fanno senza alcun dubbio quanto di meglio si possa ascoltare via internet. E non solo. Complimenti.
    Es ist immer wieder ein großes Vergnügen, den Konzerten des hr-Sinfonieorchesters zuzuhören. Die musikalischen Interpretationen, das hervorragende Bild- und Tonmaterial machen sie zweifelsohne zum Besten, was man im Internet hören kann. Und nicht nur das. Herzlichen Glückwunsch!

  • @mariocorreatascon8311
    @mariocorreatascon8311 3 года назад +7

    Una gloriosa, gloriosísima, interpretación de la cuarta sinfonía de Mendelssohn. Maestro Orozco Estrada, Garcías!!!

  • @salvadorperezlopez_clarinet
    @salvadorperezlopez_clarinet 3 года назад +15

    Andrés Orozco-Estrada is a treasure!

  • @ClarinetEnthusiast
    @ClarinetEnthusiast 9 месяцев назад +2

    27:18-27:41 is my favorite moment in this entire symphony. I also love how you can clearly see how happy Maestro Orozco Estrada is conducting this wonderful piece. We should strive to be as happy as he his when we’re working.

  • @catherinejones9396
    @catherinejones9396 3 месяца назад +2

    My favourite of Mendelssohn's symphonies since I studied them all back in undergrad days. This conductor and orchestra revealed all its moods and colours clearly. A most enjoyable performance. Thanks for the download..

  • @JT-qr8lt
    @JT-qr8lt 2 года назад +13

    The conductor has very good rapport with the orchestra, it shows in many of their recordings - these are outstanding. It's a pity that he left this orchestra, but VSO didn't seem to work out. Hope he lands somewhere musicians appreciate him!

    • @nikesamo2025
      @nikesamo2025 Год назад +2

      He landed finally in Cologne 👌🏼

    • @JT-qr8lt
      @JT-qr8lt Год назад +2

      @@nikesamo2025 great to hear👍

  • @derbywinner6316
    @derbywinner6316 3 года назад +7

    🎄🎅 Beautiful 🎼 Happy New 2021 🥳 🥳

  • @curtcarlson8312
    @curtcarlson8312 Год назад +3

    What an amazing performance. Has there ever been a performance that brought this more to life? Right at the start you can tell it was completely different -- and stunning.

  • @ViolettaViolinist
    @ViolettaViolinist 3 года назад +6

    What a wonderful group!

  • @alainrobynsds5735
    @alainrobynsds5735 3 года назад +6

    une symphonie jubilatoire,l'excellence est ici pour l'éternité,cette exécution éclipse les autres

  • @mariaangelicadiaz4343
    @mariaangelicadiaz4343 9 месяцев назад +1

    Maravillosa que bien suena y se complementan los instrumentos musicales. Gracias Felix, gracias señores músicos. Su Director, qué perfección!! Impecable la sinfonía. Encontré esta obra a los 40 años. Cuando termine mi enseñanza Media Y supe que pertenece a Félix Mendelssonh. Yo. tengo esta melodia en mi cabeza desde chica. No se por que. Donde yo crecí no había ni radio a pila. Y siempre lo relaciono con un radiofaro qué había en Chaitén. Sería un sueño. Ahora tengo 60 Gracias para el autor del video. Saludos desde Punta Arenas Chile.

  • @ferdinandbeckerbub1219
    @ferdinandbeckerbub1219 3 года назад +6

    Oh, noch mehr herrliche Musik für ein schönes Wohnzimmerkonzert. Habt wieder vielen Dank dafür! Der erste Satz ist wie ein Rausch, toll.

  • @lilalola33
    @lilalola33 3 года назад +3

    Generell mein Lieblingsorchester. Soooo gut !!!!

  • @mariaesperanza6548
    @mariaesperanza6548 3 года назад +17

    Brilliant. Perfect to begin the new year with energy and optimism. Thanks so much! 👏👏👏👏👏💐

  • @sigridseyrling7753
    @sigridseyrling7753 3 года назад +2

    Ich hoffe, alle Musiker spielen dieses wunderbare Werk auch mit dieser Inbrunst, wenn endlich wieder die Menschen dabei sein können. Danke jedenfalls für diese Vorstellung!

  • @fallentreewoodcrafts
    @fallentreewoodcrafts 3 года назад +7

    Spending New Years Day among other things, catching up on these posts by my favorite symphony orchestra. You bring a blessing to all who watch and hear. Blessed New Year to you all.

  • @thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491
    @thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491 2 года назад +5

    Most UNDERRATED symphony ever

  • @notaire2
    @notaire2 3 года назад +5

    Klare und saubere Aufführung dieser romantischen und perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit seidigen Tönen aller Streichinstrumente, milden Tönen aller Holzblasinstrumente und brillanten Tönen aller Blechblasinstrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders romantisch und echt lyrisch. Der intelligente Dirigent leitet das kompakte und ausgezeichnete Orchester im lebhaften Tempo und mit möglichst effektiver Dynamik. Einfach wunderschön!

    • @josepizquierdoruiz2289
      @josepizquierdoruiz2289 3 года назад

      Espléndida interpretació, magnifico Mendelssohn, musica de qualitat . . .

    • @notaire2
      @notaire2 3 года назад

      @@josepizquierdoruiz2289 Stimmt. Der südamerikanisch-österreichische Dirigent ist wahrlich ausgezeichnet.

  • @FantasticOjisan
    @FantasticOjisan 3 года назад +4

    聴衆はいないけれど、でも大変に気迫のこもったすばらしい「イタリア」でした!

  • @robertposteschild2353
    @robertposteschild2353 11 месяцев назад +1

    I especially love the part at 8:04 where the viola, cello and flute take over from the violins. So playful and enchanting.

  • @hansjuergenkohlhaas871
    @hansjuergenkohlhaas871 3 года назад +14

    What a lovely, refreshing start into the new year. Bravissimo.

  • @alinaenglish..6027
    @alinaenglish..6027 3 года назад +5

    Очень красиво ! Браво ! 👍💖♥️💕❤️💯🤗

  • @juanmolina3030
    @juanmolina3030 2 года назад +3

    Espléndida interpretación de la desbordante alegría y el ritmo de esta maravillosa obra, que siempre me evoca el espíritu de mi querida (aun siendo español) Italia

    • @user-xi5vq4yl3y
      @user-xi5vq4yl3y 4 месяца назад

      Es una ejecución espléndida digna de este gran colombiano

  • @shin-i-chikozima
    @shin-i-chikozima 3 года назад +2

    Mendelssohn's melody has a lilt ,
    and is comfortable to the ears ..
    There is something extraordinary in this masterpiece .
    From
    Tokyo of the Land of the Rising Sun 🇯🇵

  • @whirbet
    @whirbet 3 года назад +7

    As with this conductor and my favored online orchestra in their performance of Mendelssohn's 3rd Symphony, the "Scotch," I found this delightful rendition of the 4th, "Italian," thoroughly enjoyable, played with such exuberance, sensitivity and finesse. And as usual excellent production values throughout. Orozco-Estrada seems to have a uniquely nice touch for Mendelssohn. Bravo. It would be that much nicer yet if together they might do the 5th, "Reformation", as well.

  • @KrisDaelemanspiano
    @KrisDaelemanspiano 3 года назад +4

    Was für eine leidenschaftliche Leistung und ein perfektes Zusammenspiel! Danke!

  • @victor8196
    @victor8196 3 года назад +12

    Melhor canal do youtube . The best channel

  • @arun_swang
    @arun_swang 3 года назад +6

    鳥肌。いつか弾いてみたい…!
    Bravo!

  • @eduardafreire7766
    @eduardafreire7766 Год назад +1

    quem ouve mendelssohn e não se apaixona é maluco.

  • @claudiaochoacruz
    @claudiaochoacruz 3 года назад +2

    So beautiful! 🎶🎶🎶 Thank you so much for sharing! 🤗

  • @JDS0409
    @JDS0409 3 года назад +2

    Happy New Year to the great hr Sinfonieorchester and maestro Andres Orozco-Estrada!!

  • @nakayamayasubei
    @nakayamayasubei 3 года назад

    I am always happy to listen to this site. Many thanks.

  • @johnstevens8168
    @johnstevens8168 3 года назад +3

    May God bless you and your family in this new year. Bravo for this wonderful performance.

  • @lematindunefauna54
    @lematindunefauna54 3 года назад +1

    You guys are awesome and very very much appreciated ! !

  • @TiagoKeane
    @TiagoKeane 3 года назад +4

    Amazing!!!!!!

  • @nike607
    @nike607 3 года назад +2

    Wunderschöne Aufnahme!

  • @tyronerothsey1903
    @tyronerothsey1903 Год назад

    Brilliant performance! This is one of my favourite symphony orchestras!

  • @waltermuller1262
    @waltermuller1262 3 года назад +3

    Mendelssohn's most exhilarating symphony, a masterpiece.

  • @ratwithahat2
    @ratwithahat2 3 года назад +2

    It still has such a nice, full sound!

  • @petersiegfriedkrug
    @petersiegfriedkrug 3 года назад +1

    i love Andrés Orozco-Estrada

  • @AnneMuller-xj6fb
    @AnneMuller-xj6fb 2 месяца назад

    Gänsehaut pur, danke. Ein tolles Orchster und ein begnadeter Dirigent

  • @mariateresafloresandrade8091
    @mariateresafloresandrade8091 2 года назад

    Hermosa interpretación! Gracias por difundirla.

  • @shunsukenatsusawa6987
    @shunsukenatsusawa6987 3 года назад +2

    Thank you for your wonderful and plucky performance, despite this awful pandemic.

  • @luukashiltunen-musician
    @luukashiltunen-musician 3 года назад +3

    A wonderful interpretation, thanks on a lot! Reminds us once more on the eternal character of the music...

  • @user-xi5vq4yl3y
    @user-xi5vq4yl3y 4 месяца назад

    Con que pasion dirige rsa orquesta ese gran colombiano bravo orozco estrada

  • @tarcisiocaetano
    @tarcisiocaetano 3 года назад +1

    Maravilhoso!!! Beautiful!!! Congratulations from Brazil :)

  • @user-no5rg2vv5z
    @user-no5rg2vv5z 3 года назад +1

    안드라스 오로즈코 에스트라다 마에스트로 의 연주를 즐겨 듣습니다. 풍부한 사운드에 새해에 대한 기대를 갖게하는 힘찬 연주에 박수를 보냅니다. ❤💜

  • @edgarorlandorodriguezquiro6989
    @edgarorlandorodriguezquiro6989 3 года назад +2

    Hermosa interpretación.

  • @aurelianojosemonteiro1398
    @aurelianojosemonteiro1398 2 года назад

    Gratidão amigos e amigas musicistas, pelo belissimo trabalho!

  • @marazulization
    @marazulization 3 года назад

    Wow! Thank you !

  • @bernardoquiriarte3783
    @bernardoquiriarte3783 2 года назад +2

    The video quality has improved a lot and makes it easier to feel like you´re really there. Greetings from Mexico

  • @TheRiawie
    @TheRiawie Год назад

    Fantastisch!

  • @brianwilliamsart
    @brianwilliamsart 3 года назад +1

    Espléndido, Fantastic, お見事で素晴らしい!、wunderschön, magnifique, meraviglioso ...... way to start the New Year! and the more I listen to this spaced-out orchestra, the more 'spaced-out' it makes me . . . transported by this full sound and luminous clarity - every instrument's color shining through but all melded into a noble whole! Bravo in every language to hr-Sinfionieorchester and their exuberant genius of a conductor! A shining light in these dark times!

  • @ulsan88
    @ulsan88 3 года назад +2

    시원한게 넘 좋네요👍

  • @kathng8354
    @kathng8354 3 года назад

    Thank you for a beautiful music .. we have wonderful conduct in my hometown Houston...

  • @Fuchur159
    @Fuchur159 3 года назад +1

    Tolle Aufnahme, super Leistung

  • @user-rg9pb3sh4y
    @user-rg9pb3sh4y 3 года назад

    Many thanks!

  • @Artist_Aejoo
    @Artist_Aejoo 2 года назад +2

    I love it ❤️

  • @abc-tn1zz
    @abc-tn1zz Год назад

    コロナ禍の中での観客のいないステージでの演奏🎶配信ありがとうございました。🎉オーケストラが楽しく演奏する姿、最高デス…私は楽器弾けませんがRUclipsなら指揮者の表現がよく見れてこの演奏に元気をもらっています😊

  • @curtcarlson8312
    @curtcarlson8312 Год назад +2

    Notice his "downbeats" are conducted as "upbeats" and the orchestra players all follow him. The result is constant movement forward. Brilliant.

    • @CFDavid847
      @CFDavid847 Год назад

      I thought it was the European style….. Americans conduct on the downbeat. European conductors always conduct on the upbeat.

    • @timothysavage4958
      @timothysavage4958 Год назад

      Yes, I think this gives more lightness and propulsion. I've conductors conduct waltzes "in one" with upbeats for the same reason--to make it dance!

    • @nikesamo2025
      @nikesamo2025 Год назад

      I think Celi did this too

  • @TempodiPiano
    @TempodiPiano 3 года назад +1

    Quelle sage composition, très classique.

  • @jauscielinginclusive3873
    @jauscielinginclusive3873 2 года назад

    BRAVO REALLY GREAT BRAVO

  • @tzart8052
    @tzart8052 3 года назад +2

    너~무 좋아요 😀 👍
    새해 첫날에 듣는
    멘델스존의 이탈리아 🇮🇹 교향곡
    감사합니다. 오케스트라 여러분
    🙆‍♂️🌷트롯신

    • @gilpinkas9672
      @gilpinkas9672 3 года назад +3

      Totally agree with your comment, indeed!!. what are these nice graphical drawings?

    • @tzart8052
      @tzart8052 3 года назад +2

      @@gilpinkas9672 How are you?
      These wonderful graphics are stored on Samsung smartphones I don't make it, I write it, and it comes out of a phone with a picture that fits it. Thank you 😊 for your interest. 🙆‍♂️🌷트롯신

  • @PetrZbar
    @PetrZbar 3 года назад

    Bravo!!!

  • @Igor_Itkin
    @Igor_Itkin 3 года назад

    Bravo!

  • @josevalerio7158
    @josevalerio7158 3 года назад +1

    So sad, music without a live (alive) audience... :(

  • @jamesmatthews905
    @jamesmatthews905 11 месяцев назад

    I like the Haydn sized orchestra. It has a lot of life and is not so muffled sounding. It adds a lot of clarity to the sound and I have always liked the vitality of Maestro Orozco.

  • @hildegardkaltwasser2451
    @hildegardkaltwasser2451 Год назад

    Der Dirigent ist einmalig !!!!!!

  • @user-pi2tl8iu6z
    @user-pi2tl8iu6z 3 года назад +1

    참 좋습니다!

  • @Khai_ser
    @Khai_ser 3 года назад +1

    0:13: I. It’sa me Mario!
    10:45 II. The Pope
    17:28 III. A day in Venice
    23:38 IV. Mussolini’s Revenge
    How I, a Gen Z, interprets this epic piece of work

  • @mozmov
    @mozmov 3 года назад +1

    새해랑 은근히 잘어울리는 선곡이네요.

  • @magadan4577
    @magadan4577 3 года назад +2

    Какое одухотворённое исполнение.

  • @user-ro5ww2eh5w
    @user-ro5ww2eh5w 6 месяцев назад

    브라브. 정말 아름다운 연주입니다. 감사합니다.

  • @lizy_lopz_life6273
    @lizy_lopz_life6273 3 года назад +3

    so beautiful!!!!
    gran director de orquesta que es Andrés Orozco

  • @giemme7258
    @giemme7258 2 года назад +1

    27:18 is the best moment of the third moviment

  • @maxpera
    @maxpera 3 года назад +5

    conductor or dancer? beautiful orchestra

  • @user-ng6jp1sf6h
    @user-ng6jp1sf6h 3 года назад

    Чудесная симфония

  • @LinusBerglund
    @LinusBerglund 3 года назад +8

    What is this? Clarinet players that do double tongue well? We are living in amazing times!

    • @natheniel
      @natheniel 3 года назад +3

      at that tempo it's single tongue

    • @jacobortega-gingrich5935
      @jacobortega-gingrich5935 3 года назад +1

      @@natheniel It really depends on the player, especially in the fourth movement. Some can single tongue it. There are many players who double tongue so well that you would never be able to tell the difference. Every player has their own way of making it work.