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Why is Modern Art so Bad? Classical Painter Reacts | Brian Holdsworth
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Reacting to a video @BrianHoldsworth on why modern art is so bad and talking about differences between modern and classical philosophy.
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A lot of modern art also expects that almost everything is social commentary. Beauty is not the standard.
Completely agree!
A bit of a oversimplification of a very broad movement that includes countless pieces don’t you think?
@@johnjohn2570 I dont think so, social media has taken over everything and now you need to think consciously to make art that isnt for social commentary, which is now the societal norm in peoples unconscious
i think art peaked with impressionism, the fusion of a creative way to portray reality without losing itself in abstract meanings or social commentaries, after the rise of photography
Exactly this
years agoI did a visit to a London modern Art museum. I had a food wrapper which I threw in a bin.I was immediately challenged by a gallery staff member and told not to throw rubbish into an exhibit. I left scratching my head thinking they should have put a sign on the bin telling the public that it was an exhibit
Many years ago I was at a fancy art show and tripped over some rope someone had carelessly left on the floor, the rope you guessed was an art piece, I told them my tripping over the rope was a performance piece, they were not amused.
and also modern architecture and sculpture sucks, cities are turning into concrete boxes with sculptures that look like a pile of junk
Hey Nic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic and my video. You're contributions are a great companion to what I was trying to communicate in my video. It's encouraging to know there are still intelligent and motivated artists doing good work out there.
Good modernism in design and figuration has its roots in rigorous drawing. Simplism and paired down drawing relies on good drawing skills. There is a basic misunderstanding here imo. TY for the vid Nic
Very well explained, thank you!! Everyone should hear this
I kinda feel like when people people say modern art they just lump together like a 150 years of totally different movements. Pretending like Dadism, Cubism, Super flat, Impressionism and expressionism are all basically the same. Also like playing down the skills of people like Dali, Picasso, Aaron Douglas and Takashi Murakami is silly.
Agreed. These arguments are mostly straw man and tired.
Does anyone ever ask the question..."Could a modern artist create work as disciplined and beautifully crafted as say, a painting by Jan van Eyck or even Bouguereau? I would say, not even on their best day.
Lovely point about classical art being the product of love. (Incidentally, I am not in agreement with the 'kitsch' brigade about conceding the word 'art' to the 'modernists'. I would say that only traditional art is truly worthy of calling art.) I'm reminded of the Picasso quote where he likens his art to a weapon of war against the enemy. Obviously one doesn't make offensive weapons in a spirit of love, so there's the difference. 'Modern 'art' is literally offensive. It's meant to be. (I would also dispute the 'modernists' claim on the word 'modern'. Picasso is not exactly recent, at this point. A failed experiment from the early 20th century can't lay a claim to the eternal present).
Agreed! There’s tons of examples of modern art literally representing the destruction of the classical as well.
@@NicThurman It invariably destroys a classical, or Gothic, or otherwise traditionally beautiful, space by putting a 'modernist' 'artwork' in it. Similarly, it only takes one or two ugly concrete towerblocks to ruin a picturesque old town's skyline. These things are destructive by dint of merely existing, in certain locations. Individual buildings can also be ruined by the intrusion of gimmicky 'modern' features that don't belong. The unspeakably horrible Hockney window at Westminster Abbey springs to mind, or marginally less bad but still pretty jarring, the abstract-fronted altar at Worcester Cathedral. Another depressing thing about these intrusions is that they speak volumes about the lack of taste and responsibility that prevails among the authorities who have custody of such places.
I have been reading a lot of Modern Art analysis about certain artworks and artists. It is utterly hilarious. The critics' rant is always way over the top and when you see the work they are praising... it is laughable. It would be a good video idea to first read the critical appraisals of these meaningless non-representative artworks, and then show the art afterwards. It would make for great comedy.
Interesting idea!
I have to say, my self expression is much greater in my works which are better and into which I've put more hours. Which still doesn't compare to masters of miniature painting, because I simply lack the technical skill. I can't make up for technique and skill with self expression.
just to preface this, I generally don't follow art for the most part, just music.
I do think that there's nothing wrong with sincerely (or not) making art in some specific style or in the style of an individual (I'm also open to the idea of copying but that's kind of another topic I guess, but just to make it clear how open I am to someone doing something that's already been done before) but at the same time I don't think there's anything wrong with any styles of art from the past 200 years. I do think that art that's abstract or something that's conceptual can have substance (just a different kind of substance) and quality is subjective, and there's certainly more modern or contemporary art that I find impressive and personally inspiring (a lot of duchamps stuff, in particular his more conceptual stuff)
If you do a copy of a masterwork (I don't necessarily agree with that framing), some people might not get anything out of it if they don't care about how difficult it is to do something, but care about the idea or concept behind or in the art (they might think it's not actually doing anything, because where they see substance, there isn't any; the substance/aspects of art that are important to them are not present, and if they personally think you should make something original they might see it as inauthentic), while someone who is inspired or affected by something that is difficult to do might get a lot out of a copy of a masterwork, and might not get anything out of something that doesn't take any skill to make, or less skill to make, (or if something appears to not take any skill they might also not get much out of it in terms of how they get enjoyment or value from experiencing art)
I can still be impressed and inspired and enjoy art from the skill or effort that's involved, but in music, after having experiences where I've often found music that took less effort to make to be more rewarding than music that took more effort, or often being unable to accurately judge how much "skill" or "effort" goes into any piece of music it's become much less important for me (not that there's anything wrong with it being important to someone, and there's many people who get even less out of it than I do)
edit: also aside from the fact that I usually get way more out of abstract or conceptual art than I do from representational/figurative? art, I'm often doubtful of the claim that abstract art doesn't take any skill. Not that I think it's impossible for the art to be easy to make, but because there isn't a way for me to know how much skill or effort an artist puts into a painting from the painting itself (there is information lost there)
an artist could be extremely particular about textures, colors, composition, the particular shapes and whatever else of an abstract painting, and it might be difficult to get it exactly the way they want it to be, or it could just be that they want the painting to be a blue background with some other colors mixed in and then 10 triangles of different colors on top of the background (I can't know which is the case; it could be the case that an abstract painting is as difficult for them as some difficult painting of something in reality is (assuming a similar amount of detail?))
this is so applicable to the modern music scene. well, the Billboard/Spotify chart music scene anyway
I've heard that the old style isn't saelable. It all has to look like Instagram to sell. Though I haven't seen that argument hold up.
Same! I’ve seen tons of classical painters selling with great success! And most people I’ve talked to enjoy paintings that are classical. Yet the only modernists I’ve heard about selling are the notorious ones… I guess it’s much easier to justify the absurd price tags when there’s no real discernible qualities to it. 🤷♂️
Artistic self-expression -- aka: artistic narcissism.
I'm not an artist whatsoever but at the Veterinarian clinic in the examination room is a painting of a Golden Retriever asleep on a couch on the wall. That painting floored me its so beautiful. It gave me a whole new appreciation of artist.
Contemporary art is really all about the money.
I feel the exact same way with modern photography.
Yeap...we can baldly say love is missing . And the inspiration comes from the well of humans supreme meaning, wich is to strive towards the divine. Of course, in every way but the material.
I think you are talking about contemporary art. Not modern art. Common mistake but you should know the difference.
Yes
People just use “modern” to describe contemporary
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Modern art is mostly visual gibberish... a monkey on the keyboard.
Ha ha oh man the toony bs of manuscripts. Oh well. Good is good and good is bad but bad is typically bad. Does it sell? What is love? Baby don't hurt me.
This is a narrow minded opinion that is so wildly arrogant. This concept of the "ego" driving the modern art world... What exactly are you doing then? Is your own ego not driving your own opinions? Who gets to decide what great painting is? The existence of one does not infringe on the existence of the other. Modern art is a way to bring mood to a space, to illicit an emotion that is not present in classical art. It's like being mad that macaroni and cheese isn't a really nicely cooked turkey dinner that took weeks to prepare for... They're fundamentally not the same thing, so why judge them through the same lense? How is macaroni somehow invalid because it can be made quickly? It wasn't made with enough "love" because of how little ingredients there are, so obviously it's trash peasant food. That's essentially what you're saying. Or what about music? Just because people like Bach, Mozart, and Vivaldi exist, does this somehow mean that hiphop, punk, and rock music shouldn't exist? Or that because you don't personally find inspiration in them, they are somehow not as worthy to you? If you compare Tupac to what constitutes a good classical song, then yes, you could argue that it is "bad". But if you're judging Vivaldi based off of what makes a good Tupac song then the opinion is reversed. And who are you to say which is correct? I personally would rather listen to Tupac on an average tuesday, does this make me stupid? Am I not enlightened enough? Or? Modern art is not bad, it merely is. You just don't like modern art, and that's totally cool man. I don't really like it either, and would generally prefer to look at rembrandts myself but that's not the point. Your own work would improve tremendously if you considered trying to look at modern art this way. I think we would all benefit as people and as a species if we stopped looking at things that are different with so much disdain. We can be angry that the art world likes modern art but cry me a fucking river, right? Like who really cares. Most people like garbage, welcome to earth.
That isn't art that's a child or child like mind scribble scrabbling.
All that is true, you missed the biggest failure of today's art - it is completely meaningless.
Remember the birth of Venus? Look at it again. Great composition. Worst celebrated figure painting ever.