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Really appreciate how thorough your explanation was in this. I'm a new miner with only 2 rigs and I often wondered why people use HiveOS. Now I understand. I'm in no rush to jump to it, but now I get the utility of it.
I'm glad we have RUclipsrs that use a variety, too. We need that to support more newcomers into the space.
I only have 1 rig for now and just switched to hiveos from windows! I will never go back to windows....the amount of time save is second to none. just do it man, you wont regret It
If had anywhere close to the setup you have I would use HiveOS for sure. But with a few GPUs I can't really be bothered..
i have close and i use windows it all depends on knowledge and experience. Awesome miner is capable of doing anything HiveOS can and more. Sure you need windows keys for each rig if you are trying to write it off for a business but otherwise "shrug"
I run 2 workers with 7 gpu's each, it was NOT stable on windows at all, running completely stable on HiveOS i only changed to HiveOS beacuse i could not get windows to run stable with 7 gpu's pr worker, it ran fine with 6 on windows but not 7, and its running stable on HiveOS. HiveOS can also run 8 gpu's but becomes unstable (half a day to max 1 day until it needs a power recycle) and i think its because 8 gpu’s then use all the pci lanes in the cpu.
and i dont pay anything to Hiveos, and i dont use their pool.
Currently the Nvidia driver on Linux doesn't see the memory junction temp sensor... so HiveOS can't read VRAM temps. This is crucial on the 3000 series to ensure the durability of the card
Set the fan to 80%, sorted
What’s the acceptable vram temp for ddr6x?
@@peterdeshazer2986 Ppl running 3090 over 100°C, no issue; however 80-90 would be the maximum if you planning for long term
@@Morzsaszar mine keeps reaching 96c, I probably need to change the thermal pad
@@Morzsaszar noobs set fan at 80 after 4 weeks go to replace them
@RPM., can you make a video about hive os installation guide for new begining and every basic troubleshoot as well ? Thanks
I just switched all my rigs over from windows! Literally uploaded my last windows mining video a few weeks ago, and been using hive ever since! Loving how easy it’s been to manage all my rigs on hive
With all the FAN flicking with all those gpu's not being used lol. U need a extra shelfing in the basement for all the mining equipment. Since u have some much of it lol. Well just keep living the dream good sir.
He can flick fans easily cuz he is a millionaire
Can totally understand when you have multiple rigs and they are dedicated miners. For me, 2 of 4 mining rigs are daily drivers as well... so Windows is used on all 4. Setting up an auto mining start up is really simple, it is like setting up anything in the start up folder, but with admin permissions. This coming from someone who is only a little tech savvy and just learned from mining this year. I haven't had to ever remote in, and downtime is limited to once in a blue moon restarts, but mining resumes within a minute or two of the power down. I totally get using HiveOS, but seems like under 8 rigs on site, Windows is pretty rock solid.
Can you do a Video on HiveOS ??? how to install it, how to control it, something basic on on tricks on how to use it..
yes, i agree,, don't say "don't use windows for mining" without teach other to use hive os
There are literally hundreds of youtube videos with installing hiveos.
@@ShyvHD we watch RPM channel coz we like he explaint everything, so clearly., if other can do better then we wouldn't be here
This is my favorite field where I want to work, but unfortunately don't have money......
I know people hate nicehash but I really do love their quick miner. All my rigs are Nvidia 30 series so they're overclocking tool and their phone app work perfect for my use case. Plus Bitcoin is too small in my portfolio so I like to get paid in it.
Nicehash is a hassle compared to hive or smos, they also steal your money and don't even get me started on each card taking like 15 to run tests, they are made that way to make money it's just horrible.
@@DoniStunts I'm not sure I know what you mean by stealing money or cards and tests.
@@bigmike4133 have you heard about nicehash history? I even gave them a chance back in 2017 and they got hacked and i lost all my money, it's just trouble all around
@@DoniStunts oh yeah I'm familiar with that. I wasn't mining back then but I read about it. It's why I never leave my Bitcoin with them longer than a day or two. I prefer to keep my Bitcoin with blockfi anyway.
Love NiceHash LOL!
I would actually advocate HiveOS over Windows as a good environment for someone starting out. Those 4 free rigs while mining on hiveon pool go a long way, and you can always mine to alternative pools if mining anything other than Ethereum with the 4 free rigs. I have 3 rigs with 18 GPUs total on HiveOS and its all free to use for me.
@6:54 The statement that once you have more than 2 rigs they charge you is not correct. It is indeed up to 4 as long as you are using the hiveon pool (if mining Ethereum). It's a great option starting out.
I have capped LTE internet setup in my offsite farm and my windows rigs and their updates would eat up all the data and turn off the rigs at the most inconvenient times even after turning them off. HiveOS is definitely the way to go!
You just turn off windows updates, lazy bum
@@aaacomp1 Lol yes, so with windows defender updates you can only postpone updates and sometimes you forget then it would turn off at the most inconvenient times. Also switching to hiveOS was just better for remote management.
@@extracrispy420 no
Well then I just didn’t look properly I guess. Thanks for the input.
@@extracrispy420 i have 10 rigs on windows pro. None of what you are saying is true after you disable windows updates and provide windows defender exclusions for your mining software.
I moved to HiveOS a few weeks ago and will never look back. I made the move from Windows because I was having issues with OS crashes when I added a 5th card to one of my rigs. I made the move to HiveOS and was able to get 6 cards on that rig. Once I was there I was very happy with the convenience that comes with HiveOS. The small monthly payments are offset by the several hours per month my farm was down due to crashes in Windows.
Windows for mining has gotten way better over this year with updates it has had. I should also point out that trex miner will auto update to the newest version if it's available now. You don't need to do some separate process to get newer versions.
My #1 is too many random updates even after turning it off it will sometimes muscle its way in to restart. Hiveos works flawlessly for me.
This is exactly why I switched!
You can stop auto update. If you have multiple rig just clone the ssd. It's simple and fast.
Windows mining is free.
-Bill Gates wants to know your location
You don't really need to activate it though its pretty much just to customize some things
With batch files and trex, windows can be used to automate the entire process (recovery, reboot, etc). Trex webgui can also monitor multiple rigs. With the 3070 TI and up cards, it's nice to be able to monitor ram temps. I see so many people out there not getting proper hash due to ram temps and they just keep mining as their ram gets cooked. We're at the point where I've seen some a few cards get dumped on ebay that can't even oc to 800 any longer. For those missing the ram temps, and accepting reduced hash, they may be saving time, but not money. Kill a ddr6x card and take a $1800 hit does save anything.
Congrats on passing 175k subs. Crazy how far you have come over the last 12 months specifically, insane growth
I am running nicehash quickminer for 80 watts in Windows 10 with evga rtx 2060.
Just check it out. No overclock or underclock. Just standard setting.
i love hiveos but not being able to see nvidia memory temps on supported cards is a big downside.
windows - is free
microsoft sales team - commits seppuku
I started back in June with windows using minerstat. I lost so much money with my miners going down while I was at work or in the middle of the night. I switched to hiveos about a month and a half ago and have had no issues since, we'll not as many issues anyways, I'm probably more of a 95% uptime vs maybe 70% with windows.
I prefer MinerstatOS to HiveOS, how come you didn't keep going with Minerstat?
@@ZenTauren had too many issues with my rigs, I only have 2 rigs, an 8x1070 rig, and a mixed 8xAMD rig. I also have a few gaming computers (my kids computers) mining. For the rigs windows was actually more stable than the msOS. Now it might have been the miners I was using or some other factor, but I have had far less issues with hiveos. My kids computers are still using minerstat for windows, those don't have too many issues. But I would say I was down at least 25% of the time which was unacceptable for me. There might have been more that I could have done to make everything more stable, but as a relatively new miner I don't have the time or experience to figure it all out. Hiveos has given me more peace of mind, and higher profits. It may have been all user error, but then again, same user different os, better results.
95% is not good. I am up 99,89% Windows 10 and the rigs are not in my place.
@@falkherbst5019 I haven't actually checked to see how often I'm down, it's pretty stable, it probably is higher than 95%. But it ain't no five 9s like industry standards. All the times I have been down while using hiveos, I'm pretty sure it was an issue with the miner not the OS, I seem to be really stable using NBMiner. The last few weeks or so the only time I have been down was when I shut down on my own to upgrade or add a new card, and when I lost power.
Interestingly when I mining with Windows my rigs with AMD RX consume at least 120 watts (6gpus) less than in Hiveos. Same configuration, same Hashrate. Can anyone else confirm this?
Interesting....but I still use win10 with remotePC. Does everything as if I am sitting in front of it and has mobile connection too. A bit cumbersome on the mobile side but it does the job.
good description of the differences. and I agree 100% with your description about hiveos
The biggest problem with Windows is that Windows defender and Norton Antivirus thinks mining software is a virus (which it is not) and so they keep on quarantining the mining software and forcing you to take unnecessary actions. Also, Windows tries to do automatic updates and that screws up the computer every time and you have to go in there and fix it.
Create a crypto file and go into anti-virus settings and exclude the entire file and both WIN and the virus scanner will ignore the programs & future downloads. I made that change and life is a little easier. Alternative, use a separate drive to store crypto files on and exclude that drive from being scanned automatically. But you will want to manually scan files. Good news is most anti-virus software will warn if the new crypto file downloads something else that is on the warning list like a virus, trojan etc...
I hate the auto update crap, I tried to use manual update settings and magically Microsoft changed my settings to auto as if I can't mitigate my own risks. I prefer to review and exclude some updates.
Windows may be free, but peace of mind is priceless
The license cost of installing Windows on each rig is also expensive. $3 dollars per month would only cost you under $40.00 dollars per year. Lots of pros for using Hive OS for the advanced users.
Don’t need a licensed version of windows to mine
Windows is free.
Hey RedPanda, what did you talk about when you said 4:43 about small adaptor?what do you mean?
Hey I'm using molex cables which i got with deepcool powersupply to only power single riser per cable, directly connected to psu, no connector in between, they don't heat up or anything , it will be alright no?
Can anyone explain to me what the meaning of rigs and worker on the hiveOS fee page?what rigs stand for and what worker stand for.
I have to strongly disagree with you on this one.
No registry editing is required at all in Windows. I have 6 rigs, all of them with 12 cards, set up to restart every three hours. Simply done in event scheduler. Don't have to enter password or pin when Windows boots - also easily done through user management. It all takes about 5 minutes for a new rig. Miners start automatically when Windows boots.
And I didn't even pay for Windows, as you can download it free of charge directly from Microsoft. If you do not use advanced options in Windows, you won't ever need to pay for it. You'll have a watermark on the lower right hand corner of the screen to activate it, but it'll operate indefinitely.
For remote management, I use TeamViewer.
Simple.
Do you have a tutorial video for utilizing Windows as a newbie miner?
Using Windows with more than 1 rig is a nightmare. It's actually a nightmare for 1 compared to Hive OS. These are facts.
I gave up on HiveOS but will revisit it if I ever get a separate rig as HiveOS was a big pita that I never got to work. Linux is dead easy to setup via a batch file, as is Windows but hiveos just didn't work out for me.
I super appreciate this video. I only have one rig right now and HiveOS looks so scary. I dont care about the fee but the interface just looks intimidating. Once I get more than 2 rigs I think I'll have to learn it though.
I was always wondering! Thanks for the break down
Hi, but how you controlling VRAM temps ? On HiveOS it is not possible.
For 1 or 2 rigs..windows is fine..for more than 2 rigs hive os is better..as we can control everything from the app..
look just send me all the rigs and I'll watch them!!!! Much love My man!
I started with ethOS, a one-time fee, but they stopped maintaining it. This makes sense with no user fee. When eth broke the 4GB dag file I had to move on to something that was maintained.
I have been going through the very same experience as you with same conclusion. I have still one miner on Win, to do no time to move it. But keep the Smart switches. I experianced freezes on Hive always when on Holidays ;-)
Amazing set up, im new and im watching the best. Great video.
Been using HiveOS for a few months and haven't looked back. Such great software.
Ditto as Windows updates won't leave my machines alone. I mean I use update killers and windows still gets thru and hangs my machine. HiveOS has the most options but a hung computer doesn't listen to commands over the internet. But Linux doesn't hang a machine....
OH redpanda! Minerstatos for all your amd rigs.. and minerstat windows for your nvidia rigs! All controlled from the minerstat cloud! PLUS... with minerstat windows, you get the ability to monitor your GDDR6X mem temps! Minerstat completely automated with smart plugs, web triggers, profit switch based on market values and pool stats... Minerstat makes hiveos look archaic! I switched 8 months ago.. and never looked back!
How can you love windows. It randomly scans your pc lowering hashrate. Random updates installation wtf.
What about cards like 3060 which need windows to get full hash rate at around 48mhs
I have only one rig with 2 cards(3060ti + 3070ti), in my case, hiveos consume less power than windows (9.3 KWh/d vs 10.7 KWh/d)
Lol 1kw is not big deal
how do you monitor mem temps if you don't use windows?
bro , i wan to mining with me rtx 2060 super, is better user another s.o, no windows ? wich recomended to me?
Why I don't use Hive OS for mining. I tried Hive OS when I first built my rig. I put it on a USB drive and started Hive up it would run 2 minuets and freeze up. The second time I tried Hive OS I made a new USB Hive drive it ran one and trashed my USB drive and wouldn't boot again, it took me a lot of time trying to fix the USB. About a month or more ago my T-Rex running on windows started giving me can't find nonce errors and I could no longer overclock my GTX 1080 cards with Afterburner without getting can't find nonce. I tried overclocking with the T-Rex commands but I still got the can't find nonce error. I can use the ETH Pill and the --mt just not --ccclock or --mclock. So, I tried Hive OS again this time putting it on an SSD. I booted Hive OS setup everything and tried overclocking my GTX 1080 cards but all I got was configuration errors, I even got them trying to overclock my 1660 cards. I could only get the ETH piil and/or mt to work. My hash rates are lower on Hive OS than windows so, I gave up on Hive OS and went back to windows.
I’m using HiveOS and it’s way more stable and easier to manage. Great video!👍
I am at 1.4gh atm and have been toying with the idea of switching to hiveos for a while now but I use nicehash so I can control it from my phone idk I feel like the switch to hive is something that is going to happen I just do not know when.
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new person here so may be a dumb question. but at this large of a scale of GPU setup would a water cooled layout be more beneficial? sounds windy in there and I bet its needed.
Water cooling add unnecessary complexity and cost to mining at large scale.
I almost burned my house bec of an error in windows... the software some how rest and started pulling 100% TDP from the cards and created a fire ....since then switched to hive and never what so ever such thing ever happened
seriously brother??
I tried using windows for 6 months. Rigs crashed all the time and I was unable to get more than 5 cards going at a time. It's a huge waste of time and it's troubleshooting hell.
Hiveos is actually free for 5 rigs right now, and the installation and management is so much more convenient than windows
Have not tried hive. I used only SMOS. Should i switch?
i made a bat file that does all windows settings/installs 2 different miners with one manual write for allocated mem, and uploaded to a easy url :)
I mine with Windows 10, and it’s a pain! Lots of configuring settings, lots of crashing. As you know! Disable automatic updates and Windows Security, and it will be more stable. I may configure a dual-boot system and give HiveOS a try sometime in the future, just for “Fun,” as I do love the interface… we shall see!
I tried hive once and the cards were less stable than on windows. I'll try it again at some point.
Definitely give it a proper try.
Switching to HiveOS was one of the best decisions I could’ve made, especially for remote management. Important to get your overclocks correct or it will be very unstable.
Bravo!! I am using HiveOS with two things and there are new windows MiniOS this much less than windows 10, the new MiniOS widows does not have to defend or update at all nor does it work operating performance, it weighs in almost 15 gigs and it shows you save less energy, it was removed 45 watt. of course I am using HiveOS and MiniOS
Thanks for the tip of using smart adapters on my mining journey
I think the arguments are there, but if you use other windows tools, maybe like a windows server setup and hook ur mining pcs to that, i think you can make your own "HiveOS"-typa system (yes, even with remote control)
and i even made a bat-file to run the mining bat files on my computer, wich i can easily edit to use a newer version or change coins
and another note*
yes, part of this is manual, but i think its worth saving the 3 bucks a month, especially when you dont have a huge mining farm yet, haha
I have tons of issues with windows mining. So many headaches. Definitely moving away as I have time.
is their a power draw difference between hiveos and windows
i only have 1 rig, so windows works fine for that. been running with no issues since 2018
Ive been thinking about switching back to windows. Use it mining on the kids gaming pcs. Using the newer miners with clocks in batchfiles im getting better hash and less power than hive-running dual 2070supers and dual 2080.....95-105 watts at wall
You should do a test with that 2060 super.
I don't know. Ubuntu, T-rex and mining on Hiveon... Proprietary piece of software to monitor, NoMachine to control machines. Stable machines so almost nothing to do. Why pay an OS? And I am as stable on Windows machines.
I started with one rig in windows and I had some problems and lots of lost hours because of errors and programs like team viewer lots of time didn't helped, and the problem about the graffic cards reseting the setting after this errors, so after 3 months I found that hive os is free with one rig so I switched to see what happens, and in 9 months in hive I had only 2 stops not originated by power cuts or a broken internet cable. So very recomended.
this video should be marked as commercial for hive OS
Does Linux read DDR6X memory temps now?
Just curious where do you mine ? What location do you think its the best ?
I've been trying to put Hiveos on my rigs, but I'm having a complicated time doing so with a flashdrive. All the tutorial videos I've seen are outdated it seems. Would you be able to make a tutorial video? It'd be a big help.
I 100% agree except on one point. Windows is not Free. You still need to buy a license and if you want to use RDP you must buy a Windows Pro license. If you account for that HiveOS is a much much cheaper option. One reason to use Windows though is if you are running AMD cards and using NiceHash. The NicehashOS only supports NVIDIA. I have HiveOS on my to do list but I am not quite there yet. Like you had before I have smart plugs connected to my rigs I know go down for some reason and have them set to always power on. Right now this is working but long term as the number of rigs grows I don't see keeping it that way. Other reason is that on Windows with NiceHash I am payed out in BitCoin and I know I will have consistent payments to pay off my rigs.
@RedPanda , FYI, the guy responding above ^^^me is pretending to be your channel and is trying to scam people out of Bitcoin
Hi buddy..i just got my self a 3090 Aorus ,is it good to us B550 board with Ryzen 5 3600 CPU ?? am going to use windows for now...nice content..cheers
Thanks for the video. Makes sense if you have many many rigs then HiveOS is a practical solution.
I love both windows and linux 😃
Hey red panda. Where did you get those chrome wheeled racks? I need to buy a pair. Thanks in advance.
What is the best site to buy mining rig or asic?
Red Panda mining have Full-time job? Just wow 😁
for windows there is always Awesome miner it work with Linux to.
Hey, can you please post a link/name of the pdu smart adapter you mentioned? Thank you!
What program was you mining software in windows for free?
Can i run windows and run virtual machine running hive os
I have questions about how much maximum electricity used for whole house. If over ?
Love hiveOS but my biggest complaint is not being able to monitor memory temp in linux. hard to detect thermal throttling without mem temps
I've never tried HiveOS, i switched from Windows to SMOS back in 2017 and honestly it was so good I didn't try hiveOS, hell i even have some rigs at home hidden because I can use them with wifi on SMOS
I was reading a lot, and one site said if you are old school you can use simple mining. I tried HiveOS and unlike a batch file in Linux, or Windows, I just couldn't get Hive to work right.
A video explaining how to switch from nicehash to hive OS would be cool. I've tried hive a few times but it seemed more cumbersome then using nicehash in windows so I've stuck with windows.
is a asus 1050 a good gpu to start mining with?
The biggest reason: I got sponsored by HiveOS.
The second reason: its is easily manageable
lmao nope not a sponsor
@@RedPandaMining What a shame. So much hash rate for calculation, but not able to get a sponsor.
Don't wanna know how much hiveos got from you.
"Smart Adapter" = Smart Plug I think... Which I use (20 amp with power monitoring) on mine.
the reason in using windows for mining because im using wifi for mining and hive os not support for hidden wifi
He's trying to bash windows! GET HIM!
Pls, r u using it for personal, or for publication business's. Days if u don't mine
No need to apologize. If it's better, it's better. How much is your time worth? Nobody wants to be a slave to machine maintenance.
RedPanda you should use HiveOS on all your rigs. I love the videos thanks for keeping us in the loop about your farm.
how much cost all of that??
I was using Hiveos, but they keep having some issues recently. I switch every thing over to minerstate instead. I do have one machine that window mines as it's my gamer computer, but the other two rigs are both running a minerOS as one is a Nivida machine and the other AMD.