SUCH a helpful video, even if - like me - you already own several Medium Format cameras! I've personally never adjusted to the waist-level finder on my Yashica & am considering a 645 instead, so this video is super helpful - along with others in your archive, thanks
Bronica ETRSi is by far the best 645 option in my opinion. I started shooting old 135 film that was still in the fridge and i found a cool way to trick the 120 back and get more that 15 images. When the camera starts to roll free after the 15th frame, just advance a bit, pop the double exposure lever in to cock the shutter and take a photo. Repeat till you feel the roll is on its very end. Works perfectly, got more than 30 images on it, i guess 36 isn't possible as you waste a lot when starting the roll. Also you can chop a takeup spool and use it to hold the 135 in place.
One key point which isn't really emphasized in this video is size and weight. For 35mm format, portability difference between rangefinder and SLR is not a huge deal, we are talking about +/- 100 grams worth of weight difference there... For medium format, SLRs like RB67 weigh 2.7kg with a standard lens and really needs its own seperate camera bag if you want to take it anywhere. Interchangable lenses sound good, but lenses are also heavy too. On the other hand, A Super Ikonta with f/2.8 tessar weighs around 850 grams and compact enough to carry around in a back pocket. Personally I too am pro-SLR for 35mm, but for medium format, rangefinders are the only viable option if you like to hang your camera around your neck and forget about it until you need it. For people coming from 35mm and buying their first medium format camera, I think this is a VERY important point to consider.
If it's a budget people are on simple, get an old folding camera. I've got a Vogitlander Bessa 1 and an Agfa Isolette II from the 1950s and they are both still working a treat and producing wonderful negatives :)
Howie Mudge I also have the Bessa I and had it serviced, works great. I was considering the Fuji 6x9 cameras but they are very expensive for the little 6x9 that I shoot. I think the Bessa I is a better value.
Yea I agree, the old folding cameras like the Bessa 1 with a cheap rangefinder on top and you can't beat it for value and still produce wonderful negatives.
Mine was a Bronica S2. Pretty like a Hassy 500 with high level of customization (lens, finders, film backs, screens, grips) but with a focal plane shutter that can reach 1/1000. Highly recommend.
many people can get old school, top tier cams with much lower prices today though, which i think will make them look down so many cheaper ones. My time with S2 was not long enough to say anything about how good it was for work as you did with 6x7 cams, but i guess you would love it too, Kyle.
Starting using a Yashicamat in 1980 when I was in art school and continued using it doing professional work which raised some eyebrows but it's the finished work that counts.......also couldn't beat a Speedgraphic with type 55 film for portraits.
I'd love to shoot 4x5 (I had a Speed Graphic with various lenses) and shot readyload chromes) but always wanted to shoot type 55 and never had a chance and now the new stuff is too costly and unpredictable (if they even have it available). One could take a 135 lens (semi wide) on the 4x5, make a full body portrait and still blur the background nicely. Just can't do that today unless one spends thousands on lenses.
I bought Mamiya 645 for my first medium format camera. Then I bought GA645 a week later. I love them all.Now I just keep them for different situation. Maybe I will go Hasselblad for collection next year.
I just purchased a Rolleicord IV. It is similar to one that my father had let me use when I first started taking pictures. I shoot Canon and one feature that I liked about the Rolliecord is that there are not a series of lenses to purchase. Nice to have a camera that won't require me to obtain more lenses.
John Sciara This is a great example of film-photography enthusiasts turning drawbacks into imaginary virtues. “Yay, not only is it slow, inconvenient to use, and produces mediocre results, but it's less versatile too!”
@@jlwilliams I could have purchased a medium format camera that had interchangeable lenses. It was my preference not to buy a camera that would require more lens purchases. So it was not an drawback. Its called preferences. Have a good day
Dude, this is the perfect video. I think the Pentax 645 might be the one for me as much as I like the more manual/modular appeal of the Mamiya. Oh, what am I saying? I want to have all of them!😩😆
I picked up a 6x6 pinhole camera for $80CAD on ebay out of Ontario; been having a lot of fun with it, and I don't think I'll ever have a lighter camera!
Great cameras, excellent wide choice of interchangeable lenses, nearly silent in operation . My late sister who had a studio specializing in children's photography, used different models of Mamiya TLR's until she got a "long roll" 46mm camera for both children and "senior" (high school) portraits. She shot tens of thousands of ROLLS of CPS-120, then VPS-120, then VPSII-120 and VPSIII-120 film. I used to process 18 rolls at a time in a "3 1/2 gallon" sink line for them several nights a week. They printed them in house too.
I spent my early days with Mamiya TLR and Yashicamat but today would go with an RB67 if doing serious landscape work for one reason. When you scan your film you're going to want the biggest film you can because flat bed scanners just aren't going to cut it for say a 645 format. As a matter of fact, unless you've got a dedicated medium format film scanner (not flatbed) forget the format and go direct to full frame digital or 4x5. In between formats are just too much hazzle.
great vid. Would have been nice to talk about the fact that in TLR the viewfinder is flipped. To me it's of major importance because I"ve never gotten used to it and looking back, I would have not dismiss it as something that could grow on me.
If you want to recommend a TLR that is capable, less-hyped, and less expensive than the cliche' 124G, how about something with separate winding and shutter cocking mechanisms like the Yashica D. You can still get later versions of this with the 4-element Yashinon lens. Or maybe a Minolta Autocord, which flies under the radar of other popular TLRs. Also, there's nothing wrong with a non-metered TLR or other medium format camera.
There’s really no difference between the 124 and 124g besides the battery contacts being gold plated on the 124g, yet they seem to go for much more money than the 124. Personally I prefer the chrome details on the 124 but for some reason everyone always seems to talk a lot more about the 124g.
I agree! There seems to be a great deal of attention given to the 124-G whilst the near identical 124 is comparatively unknown. The earlier 124 is certainly more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes at least. Given that they are both equal in their phenomenal optical performance, reliability and durability, the current asking prices of the 124-G renders the original 124 as significantly better value. Perhaps we should keep this a secret.
oh, how i wish i could find a Mamiya RB SD on the cheap. i would be happy with a simple waistlevel finder package with a 50 or 65mm and a 120 back.. i really cant believe how expensive there 30 year old cameras are... :/
I like the folding camera's but people need to keep in mind, even in good condition, due to the age they can have light leaks, especialy the older Kodaks. That said, If people are serious about taking 120mm images they should get a SLR or the more modern rangefinders, period. The fact you can swap out lenses makes them the only system you'll keep using after a while. I do enjoy shooting both the folding and tlr camera's but they are "fun" camera's and people need to figure out if they really want to get into medium format film photography or just want an analog experience. If its just the experience and a way to switch out the digital camera (or film camera) for something more fun, a TLR or Folding camera is the way to go, maybe even try out an old kodak brownie box camera. all systems are pretty cheap because they aren't the easiest to shoot and thats why some the SLR and better rangefinder systems get more exspenive. Keep in mind that the the cheaper camera's are cheaper because they arent' aimed at the serious photographer but at households back in the 50's and 60's to capture simple images. find an SLR system that fits you needs, because you'll be better of spending a couple of extra bucks on a system then to get a cheaper option and you figure out you wanted something els/more. In the end, a little as 10 or 100 euro's (or dollars for that matter) can go a long way in film land.
Good points. I am something of a fan of older folders, although not as a primary camera. One thing to be aware of is that there are different grades. Even the big names like Zeiss Ikon put out cheaper models without rangefinders, and more importantly with three-element lenses that just are not very good.
I recently got back into photography after not using my 35 mm for a very long time. I just started my retirement (as of today) and l want travel and photograph so I can leave memories for my wife, as I was just diagnosed with ALS (the reason for the retirement) so I thought I could keep shooting film longer if I get a TLR to use when I can't lift my arms anymore. questions is how do i get a functional one the first time?, I don't' want to waste time trying to find one as you might guess. the few things I have bought from ebay have been junk or near it.
This video shows examples of photos taken with the original camera. "TLR Lubitel 2 cameras, Lubitel 166U examples of black and white photos" Watch and be amazed!
Thanks for the feedback Kyle! I just received the Sekor 50 C in the mail along with an RB67 and when turning the lens back and forth in my hand I hear something rattling around. Is this normal for these lenses? The rest of the lens including the glass is in mint condition with no scratches whatsoever. I’m feeling a little bit bummed right now because I am not sure if I should return the lens or not. Any knowledge whatsoever would be clutch and greatly appreciated🙏
A 50mm lens for the RB (I own one of the cameras and the 50mm lens) shouldn't "rattle" at all. You might hear some movement of the breech-lock mount when the lens is off the body. Most likely, and element of the lens was loosened in shipping. While this is usually easily and relatively inexpensively repaired, I'd return the lens. If you have the 65mm K/L series lens, it has a "floating element" inside to produce a sharper image. They MAY make a very small more feeling of something moving inside the lens than a sound, but only when off the body. The RB is usually happier on a tripod, even outdoors, well, you may be happier it's on a tripod after a 5 mile hike in the woods! Speaking of tripods for it, if the tripod doesn't weigh 12 lbs, you don't want to put an RB/RZ Pentax 6x7 on it in a wind!!! Trust me, you don't want an "easy to carry carbon fiber" tripod for these VERY heavy cameras with the wind blowing. I had my RB on a classic Quik-Set HuskyIII tripod, legs spread almost as wide as possible, and it weighs about 8.5 lbs, and a 20 MPH gust hit it while I was shooting an outdoor portrait. I CAUGHT IT!!! Then Monday, I went and bought the old Bogen(Manfrotto) 4060 13 pound legs and three-way head, and still have it today! The oooold magazine ads showed Lester Bogen sitting atop one of his tripods.
@@KyleMcDougall I was looking it up on YT but hard to find good quality content. Seemed like a great setup. Seems to be very rare and expensive thought.
I will NOT recommend a 645 camera ! Those cameras are annoying to use in vertical ! Get a 6x6 camera, my recommendation are a 200/2000 series Hasselblad with shutter inside the cameras which can use all types of Hasselblad Lenses (with or without shutter inside the Lenses), get it with the best focus screen Acutte Matte and latest version of the waist level finder. If you want a 500 series Hasselblad camera, go for one with FULL mirror 501CM, 503CW, 503CWD, 500 ELX, 553ELX or 555ELD. If you want a TLR camera, get a Mamiya C220 or C330. If you want a rangefinder camera get a Mamiya 6.
the Flexaret's are so slept on, such fantastic optics. My Flexaret VII is one of my favorite cameras by far. Had a Kiev 88/Salut-C as well which had a really cool look when it worked, it was just very unreliable but for the price if you get one that works they're amazing
Exactly my thoughts three months ago. Bought pretty beaten and dirty Kiev-60 with Volna-3 for $50 total. Cleaned the lens myself, got the body fully refurbished and upgraded at Arax - I live in Kiev (the city, not the camera, though the camera is so huge that you can probably live in it too). Bought some film (hadn't been shooting film for like 25 years)... and COVID lockdown immediately happened. Still waiting...
For anyone (across the world), search "medium format camera" on eBay with Buy it Now enabled and sort by Price - lowest to high; there's a lot of TLR soviet (good? not sure) cameras for around $35-40 (USD)
After buying 4 medium-format cameras, I wish I had seen your video earlier. You provide a lot of insight. Thanks for the high quality videos as always.
What all did you purchase? Found a pretty decent deal on a Pentax 6X7. It would be my first medium format camera coming from shooting 35 mm for the last year and a half. Trying to research and learn from other peoples mistakes before I take the plunge.
For 6x6...if you want the ability to change lenses, Mamiya is a great system. Either the C220 or C330. For a carry around 6x6...the Yashica Mat rocks. It’s small, cheap and light. Also...look for the Yashica 12. It’s the same as the 124, but only takes 120 film. Most people look for the 124 and 124G so those cost more. The Yashica 12 flies under the radar. Nobody has 220 film anymore anyway. I started by getting a Hasselblad and a Mamiya 645 1000s but sold the Hasselblad because I preferred using the 645. It was just more fun to use, and economical, and really less of a hassle...pardon the pun. I had a Mamiya RB67 and the negatives are unbelievably sharp, but there’s a lot of susceptibility to light leaks between the body and film backs so prepare to spend a lot for a tested kit with no light leaks. The most reliable systems I’ve used have been the Mamiya TLRs and 645. They just don’t let me down and they’re affordable. You can get the 80mm f1.9 for the 645 system which is the fastest medium format lens on any system. It produces amazing 3D quality bokeh and it’s super sharp if you’re focusing with the micro prism screen, open up to f1.9, focus, then stop down.
Great overview! Still the analog cameras craze is getting out of hand and prices for used medium format bodies are skyrocketing like there's no tomorrow. I had a nice Yashica Mat 124 (non G) but it got destroyed in a bad accident 2 years ago and now getting a "new" one is kinda bumming me cause prices are up 200% almost (paid mine 90 euros 10 years ago and are now at least 250 euros for a decent condition one). A pity really.
@@richardt1792 Thanks for the tip, but I tried them and they go for around 250 euros!! For a camera from the 1930s. O_O My first Yashica 124 (not the G one) I paid 100 euros in mint condition 7 years ago and now they are around 300!! Pity that one had a bad accident. :(
I bought a Mamiya RB67 Pro S back in 2012 for $500.00 dollars, That came with 2 film backs and 1 polaroid back with the handle and shutter release with 127mm lens and various filters I absolutely love the mechanical functionality of this camera! I can't recommend enough! Cheers
I think compared to the etrsi its way to big, my whole system is as big as the mirrorbox of the sqa alone. The ETRSi with the 75mm is as big or slightly smaller then my D700 with 50mm lens :) On the other hand if you dont like 645 the sqa is still the better option.
For TLRs a good budget option that is very versatile is the Yashica 635. Basically it is a Yashica D TLR designed to be dual format so you can use 120 or 35mm film. You can also get a set of addon lenses in wide angle and a short telephoto for portraits. I got one TLR with all the bells and whistles for about 200 CDN and a second camera body for about 100.
been using my Mamiya 645 as my number 1 medium format camera for the past two years, as it hits that sweet spot between image quality and cost-effectiveness as I can get 16 shots from a roll and have them still look really good. For slide film I like shooting my RB67 though because the huge "negatives"(positives? idk) look amazing
how much does it cost per picture ? For film and development . I would like to do it , but i find buying a digital medium format in a long run is cheaper , what do you think ?
Kyle, I love watching your videos ... no matter what the topic is. Feeling always so inspired to create after watching your films! Thank you. (Btw, I found your channel through your class at Skillshare. Would you consider doing a class on how to create beautiful films like the ones you're making on your channel? I'd sign up in a flash!)
Thanks so much Sarah. I always appreciate the support. And yes, I have something planned for Skillshare when it comes to filmmaking. It may be a few months, but it’s coming. 🙂
Outstanding review, I have a Yashica 124 that I bought in 1984 used at Alameda Naval Base sitting in my closet. Gonna take it to a camera repair shop to start using it. You gained a new subscriber. Best regards from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
I have the Fuji GW690II as my first medium format camera and I love it ! I would have preferred the 6x7 version but it's 1000€ more than what I already paid for !
I like the Koni-Omega as a medium format.. They are relatively inexpensive and they have excellent lenses from 58mm to 180mm. Backs are interchangeable too. It uses a couple rangefinder that is quite accurate. They also made a TLR version of the camera. It is quite rare, only 2500 were made so it is more of a collector's item.
Other inexpensive options are the Mamiya Universal, Mamiya Super 23 and Mamiya Press. Lenses range from 50 to 250 mm and backs are 6x7 and 6x9. One more thing, these medium format cameras haven't been manufactured for quite some time so they are disappearing. I have watched the prices of medium format cameras rising a few years after the advent of digital photography. Probably only 1% of all film cameras are medium format.Lately, they have been doubling in price every few years. They were almost exclusively used by professionals. They had to sell them off to replace them with digital because the industry demanded images that were digital. Imagine having to sell your hasselbald to pay for a 1.3 megapixel digital camera. When they first came out, digital cameras were $20,000 dollars. You can guy Dora Goodman bodies but you still need vintage lenses and film backs.
I would add the Mamiya Press system to the rangefinder line! It’s still fairly cheap, has good lenses and interchangeable film backs that goes from 645 to 6x9! It’s kind of bulky but it’s simple and I like shooting with it. William Eggleston has done some interesting work with it. Definitely worth checking out! Keep up the good work, love your channel!
Thanks for a great overview! I personally have a Rolleicord III and a now working Yashica mat 124G that I brought back to life by massaging the shutter. I can't say anything about Swedish prices for the cameras I use as they are in good shape which brings up the price in addition to the supply and demand for film cameras in general! If you are adventures look for an untested camera and hope for the best but have in mind that i may require some service!
What a great video. I can't add much to your very good suggestions, which I totally agree with. Just remember that the camera and lens cost is just the beginning, and accessories and service will add up fast. If the camera you happen to settle on is an SLR, the cost for that service may be eye-watering.
I've just started taking pics 2 years ago with a Kiev 88 Camera. Later I've also bought the Kaleinar 150mm 2.8 for € 150 and honestly I was really impressed about the sharpness and the bouquet of this lens! To get the same pics with my DSLR I have to buy a 600 € lens!! Love the colors of Kodak Portra! I think the negative film is more versatile than digital that looks like shooting with slide film!
Great video! Medium (and large) format is addictive. It's not just the size of the negative and quality of the images, but also something akin to belonging to an ancient brotherhood. I have (among others) a Konishiroku (Konica) Pearl III 6x4.5, which is roughly the size of a Leica, weighs 620g and has a coupled rangefinder. It cost me less than $100, but it seems the prices are climbing on these as well.
I don't trust those older synchro compur shutters at all! bought one recently and didn't realize you can't adjust the aperture or shutter speed after cocking the film advance. It completely destroyed the camera and all the million nano springs within the shutter. We moved on from those cameras for a reason and in the long run you won't be saving much money since you'll have to keep buying new cameras constantly.
2023 answer: the one you can afford, which is also the one not trendy with RUclipsrs (hello Mamiya 7). MF is cool but a camera is useless in its case in the closet… I force myself to put my RB67 in the trunk of the car, but it’s an awful camera to carry (an easy 2.5-3.0 kg) [5-6 lbs] And that camera lacks a meter. I got a lot of great snaps on a point & shoot because it’s so low effort to take it out of the pocket and take a picture. I’m considering switching the RB for a 4x5 large format camera because what I do with it would make just as much sense on a LF camera. Many 4x5 are lighter than some MF cameras! So it all boils down to what you want to use it for. Travel? You need lightweight and portable (rangefinder). Landscape or studio work or macro or astrophotography on tripod or shots near the car? RB or Go straight to large format. If you’re willing to lug the bulk and weight around in your backpack, shoot some event or at home: Pentax 67 or rangefinder, even better with working meter. Now if you get that GAS syndrome it’s okay. You can acquire a new toy and have fun with it. If you don’t like it, try another one.
I do love my Zeiss Ikon Mesa 5245/16 uncoupled RF. The images are beautiful. The TRL I love my Rolleicord II Type III some of the best images of shot. I also have the Mamiya C220. I shot it a few times and the viewfinder is brighter than my Rolleicord. Each one has a purpose in my mind because in reality, why shoot 2 of the same 6x6 formats. lastly the RB67 Pro (OG) now thats a beast an I have not mastered. need more time and muscles
Professional photographers always have the urge to change the backs of their cameras. You are not 100% correct by saying the TLR has less options than a SLR. - Sheet film backs can also be mounted to the TLR and Rangefinder Mamiya cameras - The TLR Mamiya cameras have at least six different viewfinders. Customizing is the wrong expression when you think of changing the original parts of your camer. I sometimes customize aLF cameras by the "Frankenstein way" I do not think a TLR with a fixed lens will be a confersation starter. Any camera can be. Why not starting the cheapest way and just buy a folding camera?
I'd advise beginners to stay away from cheap soviet cameras. They may look appealing since you get medium format images on a budget but having a camera fail on you tends to ruin the experience quite a lot. You'll find yourself buying a new one once a year and spend the same amount of money in the long run than buying a good one in the first place.
A lot of people doing reviews often mention that fact that the Mamiya 1000s and its 'J' version don't have a facility for changing film but so what neither does any 35mm camera either. Really interesting and enjoyable review.
Thank you, this was super interesting! I wonder, is there any MF camera manufacturing era one should avoid? The rubber on some Polaroid cameras from about 20 years ago gets very sticky and icky for instance, like it's melting/disintegrating away, whereas Canon cameras from the same era tend to be fine. Is there such an issue with certain MF cameras or do they all tend to hold together well? Thanks!
Who says Bronica are 'not as good of a camera _(sic)'_ as a Hasselblad? As one who has used most medium format cameras mentioned here, including at a commercial level, I can say that the differences are almost all perceptual and mostly subjective. Side by side comparisons show a negligible difference between the two. I was mostly a Bronica shooter and it was every bit as good in practice. The only real reason to own a Hasselblad is because you want one. Nothing wrong with that but in qualitative terms, most of these cameras will turn out images which are every bit as good.
I have a pre-war Super Ikonta C in amazing condition that shoots 6x9 negs. One of the coolest things I own, and looks great with old conical metal lens shade. I've been collecting the close up lenses and color filters for B&W photography. My other MF camera is a Yashica 635, another great camera.
I have a Yashica 635 that I bought in mint condition for 88$ Australian a few years ago, and it came with the adaptor to shoot 35mm film as well...brilliant little camera that I love.
I have a 1957 Yashica Mat with a very sharp 75mm 3.5 Lumaxar lens and a Kiev 6c with a 90mm 2.8 lens plus a wlf and a Ttl prism. I use the Yashica Mat the most due to its portability.
I completely agree! Absolutely love mine(almost as much as my Nikon F2 but that’s 35mm lol). 645 1000s is the BEST bang for buck currently as this medium format film craze is outta control!
Just bought one so v happy to see this haha. It was a very reasonable price (especially because the market where I live is possibly in a crazier state of pricing) and I'm so excited to shoot with it :)
@@juansabatino2243 good question hahaha, i don't think I'm all that qualifies for ask but I paid around 300 euros for mine which included everything but the prism finder (which I do regret now so I def recommend getting it in a bundle if you wanna shoot both ways haha, does drive up the price a bit).. it does need some fixing it seems so that's kind of tragic.. that's ebay for ya I suppose
My 1st MF camera actually belonged to the college where I was taking classes in photography in the late '80's, and that was a Yashicamat 124G. Great images, easy to use, and also rather quiet. Highly recommend finding a good working example for roughly $200-$300 USD.
My first (and only so far) medium format camera was a Mamiya RB67. It's a heavy tank, but it's great! Medium format is a game changer! The quality of the photos has no comparison.
If you’re looking for a big step for good a price, you can’t go wrong with the Mamiya rb67 pro s. Is modular, shoots a 6x7 negative, and great lens selection. You can pick up a kit on eBay for below $500
My first medium-format camera (Mamiya C330), after 40+ years of shooting 35mm and several years using mirrorless Fujifilm gear, arrived from Japan four days ago. I have one shot left on my first-ever 120 roll (Portra 400). So far I love everything about this camera and the shooting process. Looking forward to seeing the results after I really get the hang of it, which I imagine will take a while. It’s a big change. And a big camera.
I always changed my focusing screens to the split prism type and it made focusing for me so much better. Instead of relying on a "look" you relied on the lines being in parallel. Much better. Try a prism too (they are heavy but may do wonders for certain picture shoots such as head shots-don't get the mirrored version though-too low of contrast and dark).
Afraid I’ve gone off the medium-format deep end. Bought a Mamiya 645 system yesterday. And I’m still loving the C330. Now I just need someone to follow me around with those cameras so I don’t have to be the one lugging them. (BTW, I don’t see myself getting a 6x7 anytime soon. Gotta draw the line somewhere.)
One additional thing I might mention are camera systems that offer leaf shutter lenses. For people who like to shoot with flash, especially outdoors, having a flash sync speed across all shutter speeds adds a ton of flexibility. It’s one of the reasons I went with a Bronica ETRS, whose entire lens lineup all have leaf shutters, over the Mamiya M645.
I have the press also, great lenses 50 to 250 mm lenses, changeable backs up to 6x9 so the 50mm is super wide angle, equal to a 21mm lens on a 35mm camera. Polaroid backs if they ever bring back tear apart film again.
I would recommend an old Kodak folding camera from the 1930s-50s. They take dead sharp images with a large negative, and are around $20 on eBay. I’d even dare to say that they equal or outperform some more modern cameras.
Yes, my late Daddy's 1945-ish Kodak 620 (make a note of the film size) Medalist non-rangefinder (estimate the distance and set the focus) has a very good Kodak made Ektanar f4.5 90mm lens (four element) in an x-sync shutter and makes 8 6x9 cm images per roll. They go for $45-125 with a good lens, shutter and bellows and fold-up no bigger than the big i-Phone, just thicker. It'll make 24 x36 Inch enlargements all day long sharp as a tack if I focus well and hold it still. The Yashica Mat 124 is an outstanding performer for the money, but they are getting quite hard to find in good+ condition. They go from $125-200(!) I've a dozen in various states of working conditions, but none in "saleable" condition. "620" is just a different size spool than "120" but they are NOT interchangeable!!! 620 and 120 film will fit on the same stainless steel or plastic developing reel, so don't worry about that, but the film spool is greatly different.
@@Walkercolt1 If you're brave, you can trim and sand down the plastic reel a bit to fit in a 620 camera, or roll it into a spare 620 reel in a darkroom.
SUCH a helpful video, even if - like me - you already own several Medium Format cameras! I've personally never adjusted to the waist-level finder on my Yashica & am considering a 645 instead, so this video is super helpful - along with others in your archive, thanks
Bronica ETRSi is by far the best 645 option in my opinion.
I started shooting old 135 film that was still in the fridge and i found a cool way to trick the 120 back and get more that 15 images.
When the camera starts to roll free after the 15th frame, just advance a bit, pop the double exposure lever in to cock the shutter and take a photo.
Repeat till you feel the roll is on its very end.
Works perfectly, got more than 30 images on it, i guess 36 isn't possible as you waste a lot when starting the roll.
Also you can chop a takeup spool and use it to hold the 135 in place.
I started medium format with the Bronica ETRSi, awesome camera
One key point which isn't really emphasized in this video is size and weight. For 35mm format, portability difference between rangefinder and SLR is not a huge deal, we are talking about +/- 100 grams worth of weight difference there... For medium format, SLRs like RB67 weigh 2.7kg with a standard lens and really needs its own seperate camera bag if you want to take it anywhere. Interchangable lenses sound good, but lenses are also heavy too. On the other hand, A Super Ikonta with f/2.8 tessar weighs around 850 grams and compact enough to carry around in a back pocket.
Personally I too am pro-SLR for 35mm, but for medium format, rangefinders are the only viable option if you like to hang your camera around your neck and forget about it until you need it. For people coming from 35mm and buying their first medium format camera, I think this is a VERY important point to consider.
Thank you so much for this extra information! It had the same thought, and it’s nice to be confirmed by someone with more experience!
If it's a budget people are on simple, get an old folding camera. I've got a Vogitlander Bessa 1 and an Agfa Isolette II from the 1950s and they are both still working a treat and producing wonderful negatives :)
I’ve heard great things about both of those!
Howie Mudge I also have the Bessa I and had it serviced, works great. I was considering the Fuji 6x9 cameras but they are very expensive for the little 6x9 that I shoot. I think the Bessa I is a better value.
Yea I agree, the old folding cameras like the Bessa 1 with a cheap rangefinder on top and you can't beat it for value and still produce wonderful negatives.
don't forget Zeiss Super Ikontas ... or wait, better forget it, cause i wanna buy one cheap :)
yes if you have Heliar 105mm f3,5 lens best with Bessa 1
Mine was a Bronica S2. Pretty like a Hassy 500 with high level of customization (lens, finders, film backs, screens, grips) but with a focal plane shutter that can reach 1/1000. Highly recommend.
Always been curious about the S2. Looked at them on many different occasions.
many people can get old school, top tier cams with much lower prices today though, which i think will make them look down so many cheaper ones. My time with S2 was not long enough to say anything about how good it was for work as you did with 6x7 cams, but i guess you would love it too, Kyle.
Starting using a Yashicamat in 1980 when I was in art school and continued using it doing professional work which raised some eyebrows but it's the finished work that counts.......also couldn't beat a Speedgraphic with type 55 film for portraits.
I'd love to shoot 4x5 (I had a Speed Graphic with various lenses) and shot readyload chromes) but always wanted to shoot type 55 and never had a chance and now the new stuff is too costly and unpredictable (if they even have it available). One could take a 135 lens (semi wide) on the 4x5, make a full body portrait and still blur the background nicely. Just can't do that today unless one spends thousands on lenses.
I bought Mamiya 645 for my first medium format camera. Then I bought GA645 a week later. I love them all.Now I just keep them for different situation. Maybe I will go Hasselblad for collection next year.
I got myself a Hasselblad 500CM to celebrate my retirement last fall. I love it!
I just purchased a Rolleicord IV. It is similar to one that my father had let me use when I first started taking pictures. I shoot Canon and one feature that I liked about the Rolliecord is that there are not a series of lenses to purchase. Nice to have a camera that won't require me to obtain more lenses.
John Sciara This is a great example of film-photography enthusiasts turning drawbacks into imaginary virtues. “Yay, not only is it slow, inconvenient to use, and produces mediocre results, but it's less versatile too!”
@@jlwilliams I could have purchased a medium format camera that had interchangeable lenses. It was my preference not to buy a camera that would require more lens purchases. So it was not an drawback. Its called preferences. Have a good day
Another great SLR -- Pentacon Six from East Germany, which has some awesome glass from Carl Zeiss Jena.
Dude, this is the perfect video. I think the Pentax 645 might be the one for me as much as I like the more manual/modular appeal of the Mamiya.
Oh, what am I saying? I want to have all of them!😩😆
You can't go wrong with the Pentax. Such a great camera!
I picked up a 6x6 pinhole camera for $80CAD on ebay out of Ontario; been having a lot of fun with it, and I don't think I'll ever have a lighter camera!
Nice!
Huge appreciation for the P&Co gang 🤙🏻🖤
excellent review on introduction to medium format film cameras, thanks ......zen
Cheers!
I got the Lubitel 2 TLR
Good god this series is fantastic keep it up Kyle!
Thank you. 🙂
Would like to see a review of the Mamiya interchangeable lens TLRs.
Great cameras, excellent wide choice of interchangeable lenses, nearly silent in operation . My late sister who had a studio specializing in children's photography, used different models of Mamiya TLR's until she got a "long roll" 46mm camera for both children and "senior" (high school) portraits. She shot tens of thousands of ROLLS of CPS-120, then VPS-120, then VPSII-120 and VPSIII-120 film. I used to process 18 rolls at a time in a "3 1/2 gallon" sink line for them several nights a week. They printed them in house too.
I spent my early days with Mamiya TLR and Yashicamat but today would go with an RB67 if doing serious landscape work for one reason. When you scan your film you're going to want the biggest film you can because flat bed scanners just aren't going to cut it for say a 645 format. As a matter of fact, unless you've got a dedicated medium format film scanner (not flatbed) forget the format and go direct to full frame digital or 4x5. In between formats are just too much hazzle.
I actually don’t mind scanning 645 on a flatbed. Basically anything up from 35mm is ok. But yes, a dedicated 120 scanner will be best.
Thanks for the advice, now I need the money
Rolleiflex SLX, cheap but has superb lenses like the Planar or Distagon.
Or the Schneider range.
@@neilpiper9889 they are breaking the bank...
Battery issues, can't be fixed.
@@jlwilliams you're wrong.
It is very cheap to replace the old cells. You even can do it by yourself if you do not have two left hands.
great vid. Would have been nice to talk about the fact that in TLR the viewfinder is flipped. To me it's of major importance because I"ve never gotten used to it and looking back, I would have not dismiss it as something that could grow on me.
There were tons of 35 mm SLR's with a waistlevel viewfinder.
If you want to recommend a TLR that is capable, less-hyped, and less expensive than the cliche' 124G, how about something with separate winding and shutter cocking mechanisms like the Yashica D. You can still get later versions of this with the 4-element Yashinon lens. Or maybe a Minolta Autocord, which flies under the radar of other popular TLRs. Also, there's nothing wrong with a non-metered TLR or other medium format camera.
Or even an old Mamiyflex body with any of the more modern lenses for the C330.
There’s really no difference between the 124 and 124g besides the battery contacts being gold plated on the 124g, yet they seem to go for much more money than the 124. Personally I prefer the chrome details on the 124 but for some reason everyone always seems to talk a lot more about the 124g.
I agree! There seems to be a great deal of attention given to the 124-G whilst the near identical 124 is comparatively unknown. The earlier 124 is certainly more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes at least. Given that they are both equal in their phenomenal optical performance, reliability and durability, the current asking prices of the 124-G renders the original 124 as significantly better value. Perhaps we should keep this a secret.
oh, how i wish i could find a Mamiya RB SD on the cheap. i would be happy with a simple waistlevel finder package with a 50 or 65mm and a 120 back.. i really cant believe how expensive there 30 year old cameras are... :/
I like the folding camera's but people need to keep in mind, even in good condition, due to the age they can have light leaks, especialy the older Kodaks. That said, If people are serious about taking 120mm images they should get a SLR or the more modern rangefinders, period. The fact you can swap out lenses makes them the only system you'll keep using after a while. I do enjoy shooting both the folding and tlr camera's but they are "fun" camera's and people need to figure out if they really want to get into medium format film photography or just want an analog experience. If its just the experience and a way to switch out the digital camera (or film camera) for something more fun, a TLR or Folding camera is the way to go, maybe even try out an old kodak brownie box camera. all systems are pretty cheap because they aren't the easiest to shoot and thats why some the SLR and better rangefinder systems get more exspenive. Keep in mind that the the cheaper camera's are cheaper because they arent' aimed at the serious photographer but at households back in the 50's and 60's to capture simple images. find an SLR system that fits you needs, because you'll be better of spending a couple of extra bucks on a system then to get a cheaper option and you figure out you wanted something els/more. In the end, a little as 10 or 100 euro's (or dollars for that matter) can go a long way in film land.
I was just about to post almost the same comment about light leaks. Bellows on folding cameras often deteriorate.
Good points. I am something of a fan of older folders, although not as a primary camera. One thing to be aware of is that there are different grades. Even the big names like Zeiss Ikon put out cheaper models without rangefinders, and more importantly with three-element lenses that just are not very good.
I recently got back into photography after not using my 35 mm for a very long time. I just started my retirement (as of today) and l want travel and photograph so I can leave memories for my wife, as I was just diagnosed with ALS (the reason for the retirement) so I thought I could keep shooting film longer if I get a TLR to use when I can't lift my arms anymore. questions is how do i get a functional one the first time?, I don't' want to waste time trying to find one as you might guess. the few things I have bought from ebay have been junk or near it.
I’d try buying one from a photographer off of a forum (Photrio or Fred Miranda). That way you know it’s been tested and worked with.
Great video, Kyle!! Just reviewed the Mamiya 645 Super on my channel. My favorite beginner medium format camera!
Thank you!
What film size does the mamiya 645 use
Very informative video! Thanks!
Thanks for watching.
Kyle McDougall you’re welcome!
pentax 6x7
This video shows examples of photos taken with the original camera. "TLR Lubitel 2 cameras, Lubitel 166U examples of black and white photos" Watch and be amazed!
Great video! Thank you. Where do you buy the film? What film is needed and where do you develop the film?
Where do you live?
@@KyleMcDougall FL. Middle of nowhere. Looking for online suggestions of legit places.
Been looking into the 645s not sure if I want the pro, super, or the 1000s 🥲
Thanks for the feedback Kyle! I just received the Sekor 50 C in the mail along with an RB67 and when turning the lens back and forth in my hand I hear something rattling around. Is this normal for these lenses? The rest of the lens including the glass is in mint condition with no scratches whatsoever. I’m feeling a little bit bummed right now because I am not sure if I should return the lens or not. Any knowledge whatsoever would be clutch and greatly appreciated🙏
A 50mm lens for the RB (I own one of the cameras and the 50mm lens) shouldn't "rattle" at all. You might hear some movement of the breech-lock mount when the lens is off the body. Most likely, and element of the lens was loosened in shipping. While this is usually easily and relatively inexpensively repaired, I'd return the lens. If you have the 65mm K/L series lens, it has a "floating element" inside to produce a sharper image. They MAY make a very small more feeling of something moving inside the lens than a sound, but only when off the body. The RB is usually happier on a tripod, even outdoors, well, you may be happier it's on a tripod after a 5 mile hike in the woods! Speaking of tripods for it, if the tripod doesn't weigh 12 lbs, you don't want to put an RB/RZ Pentax 6x7 on it in a wind!!! Trust me, you don't want an "easy to carry carbon fiber" tripod for these VERY heavy cameras with the wind blowing. I had my RB on a classic Quik-Set HuskyIII tripod, legs spread almost as wide as possible, and it weighs about 8.5 lbs, and a 20 MPH gust hit it while I was shooting an outdoor portrait. I CAUGHT IT!!! Then Monday, I went and bought the old Bogen(Manfrotto) 4060 13 pound legs and three-way head, and still have it today! The oooold magazine ads showed Lester Bogen sitting atop one of his tripods.
Yep, agreed with Ricky. There definitely shouldn't be any rattling noises. I'd send it back if I were you.
Ever gotten to try bronica etr with the 135w panormic film back?
I haven’t, no.
@@KyleMcDougall I was looking it up on YT but hard to find good quality content. Seemed like a great setup. Seems to be very rare and expensive thought.
I’ll have to look it up. I’ve never seen one.
I miss my Bronica...
I will NOT recommend a 645 camera ! Those cameras are annoying to use in vertical ! Get a 6x6 camera, my recommendation are a 200/2000 series Hasselblad with shutter inside the cameras which can use all types of Hasselblad Lenses (with or without shutter inside the Lenses), get it with the best focus screen Acutte Matte and latest version of the waist level finder. If you want a 500 series Hasselblad camera, go for one with FULL mirror 501CM, 503CW, 503CWD, 500 ELX, 553ELX or 555ELD. If you want a TLR camera, get a Mamiya C220 or C330. If you want a rangefinder camera get a Mamiya 6.
Great comment. I have a Mamiya C330 and the negatives are big and sharp. Thank you
If you're in Europe, cheap SLR option is to get Kiev60 (body) + Carl Zeiss Jena lenses (psix mount) or for TLR option Flexaret VI ;)
Kiev 60/6C Costs around 80 euros. Original lenses are cool to.
I just bought one of those a few weeks ago. They're so big but so cool and fun to shoot.
the Flexaret's are so slept on, such fantastic optics. My Flexaret VII is one of my favorite cameras by far. Had a Kiev 88/Salut-C as well which had a really cool look when it worked, it was just very unreliable but for the price if you get one that works they're amazing
Exactly my thoughts three months ago. Bought pretty beaten and dirty Kiev-60 with Volna-3 for $50 total.
Cleaned the lens myself, got the body fully refurbished and upgraded at Arax - I live in Kiev (the city, not the camera, though the camera is so huge that you can probably live in it too).
Bought some film (hadn't been shooting film for like 25 years)... and COVID lockdown immediately happened. Still waiting...
For anyone (across the world), search "medium format camera" on eBay with Buy it Now enabled and sort by Price - lowest to high; there's a lot of TLR soviet (good? not sure) cameras for around $35-40 (USD)
After buying 4 medium-format cameras, I wish I had seen your video earlier. You provide a lot of insight. Thanks for the high quality videos as always.
What all did you purchase? Found a pretty decent deal on a Pentax 6X7. It would be my first medium format camera coming from shooting 35 mm for the last year and a half. Trying to research and learn from other peoples mistakes before I take the plunge.
@@RazeTheWeak I meant you won't get the most out of 6x7*, that is if you develop and scan at a lab.
For 6x6...if you want the ability to change lenses, Mamiya is a great system. Either the C220 or C330. For a carry around 6x6...the Yashica Mat rocks. It’s small, cheap and light. Also...look for the Yashica 12. It’s the same as the 124, but only takes 120 film. Most people look for the 124 and 124G so those cost more. The Yashica 12 flies under the radar. Nobody has 220 film anymore anyway. I started by getting a Hasselblad and a Mamiya 645 1000s but sold the Hasselblad because I preferred using the 645. It was just more fun to use, and economical, and really less of a hassle...pardon the pun. I had a Mamiya RB67 and the negatives are unbelievably sharp, but there’s a lot of susceptibility to light leaks between the body and film backs so prepare to spend a lot for a tested kit with no light leaks. The most reliable systems I’ve used have been the Mamiya TLRs and 645. They just don’t let me down and they’re affordable. You can get the 80mm f1.9 for the 645 system which is the fastest medium format lens on any system. It produces amazing 3D quality bokeh and it’s super sharp if you’re focusing with the micro prism screen, open up to f1.9, focus, then stop down.
The 80mm 1.9 is on my list to purchase. I’ve heard great things about it.
You are right. I have a C330 Mamiya TLR with interchangeable lens. It makes big sharp negatives great for printing.
RS. Canada
Awesome video!
I have a Mamiya 645 Super with 3 film backs: one for slide film, one for color negative, and a black and white. Nice and versatile
Great overview!
Still the analog cameras craze is getting out of hand and prices for used medium format bodies are skyrocketing like there's no tomorrow. I had a nice Yashica Mat 124 (non G) but it got destroyed in a bad accident 2 years ago and now getting a "new" one is kinda bumming me cause prices are up 200% almost (paid mine 90 euros 10 years ago and are now at least 250 euros for a decent condition one).
A pity really.
See if you can find an Ikoflex IIa. it is like Rolleiflex at about 1/3 the price, solid, German camera.
@@richardt1792 Thanks for the tip, but I tried them and they go for around 250 euros!! For a camera from the 1930s. O_O
My first Yashica 124 (not the G one) I paid 100 euros in mint condition 7 years ago and now they are around 300!! Pity that one had a bad accident. :(
For some reason Minolta Autocords are cheaper than Yashikas. Try them.
I picked up a Zeiss Ikon Nettar from eBay, for £35. Works fine. Not a rangefinder, but great fun and great negatives in 6x6 format
I bought a Mamiya RB67 Pro S back in 2012 for $500.00 dollars, That came with 2 film backs and 1 polaroid back with the handle and shutter release with 127mm lens and various filters I absolutely love the mechanical functionality of this camera! I can't recommend enough! Cheers
Bronica line of medium format cameras. I have a Bronica SQA for my first medium format camera
This is my favourite camera.
I think compared to the etrsi its way to big, my whole system is as big as the mirrorbox of the sqa alone.
The ETRSi with the 75mm is as big or slightly smaller then my D700 with 50mm lens :)
On the other hand if you dont like 645 the sqa is still the better option.
Was just about to message you on IG but checked RUclips first. Hell yeah.
For TLRs a good budget option that is very versatile is the Yashica 635. Basically it is a Yashica D TLR designed to be dual format so you can use 120 or 35mm film. You can also get a set of addon lenses in wide angle and a short telephoto for portraits. I got one TLR with all the bells and whistles for about 200 CDN and a second camera body for about 100.
Dude I love your channel so much. Not pretentious and not all the usual content. Thanks man
Cheers, Grant.
Seriously, so comprehensive. Love how informational your videos are.
😁🙏
been using my Mamiya 645 as my number 1 medium format camera for the past two years, as it hits that sweet spot between image quality and cost-effectiveness as I can get 16 shots from a roll and have them still look really good. For slide film I like shooting my RB67 though because the huge "negatives"(positives? idk) look amazing
how much does it cost per picture ? For film and development . I would like to do it , but i find buying a digital medium format in a long run is cheaper , what do you think ?
Kyle, I love watching your videos ... no matter what the topic is. Feeling always so inspired to create after watching your films! Thank you. (Btw, I found your channel through your class at Skillshare. Would you consider doing a class on how to create beautiful films like the ones you're making on your channel? I'd sign up in a flash!)
Thanks so much Sarah. I always appreciate the support. And yes, I have something planned for Skillshare when it comes to filmmaking. It may be a few months, but it’s coming. 🙂
Mamiya C330. TLR with interchangeable lenses of good quality. A heap of ancillaries available.
Incredible breakdown very informative 🙌🏿
Outstanding review, I have a Yashica 124 that I bought in 1984 used at Alameda Naval Base sitting in my closet. Gonna take it to a camera repair shop to start using it. You gained a new subscriber. Best regards from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
Thanks, Luis. Enjoy the Yashica Mat!
I have the Fuji GW690II as my first medium format camera and I love it ! I would have preferred the 6x7 version but it's 1000€ more than what I already paid for !
Yep, the 670 goes for quite a bit more. The 690 is a great buy.
I like the Koni-Omega as a medium format.. They are relatively inexpensive and they have excellent lenses from 58mm to 180mm. Backs are interchangeable too. It uses a couple rangefinder that is quite accurate. They also made a TLR version of the camera. It is quite rare, only 2500 were made so it is more of a collector's item.
Other inexpensive options are the Mamiya Universal, Mamiya Super 23 and Mamiya Press. Lenses range from 50 to 250 mm and backs are 6x7 and 6x9. One more thing, these medium format cameras haven't been manufactured for quite some time so they are disappearing. I have watched the prices of medium format cameras rising a few years after the advent of digital photography. Probably only 1% of all film cameras are medium format.Lately, they have been doubling in price every few years. They were almost exclusively used by professionals. They had to sell them off to replace them with digital because the industry demanded images that were digital. Imagine having to sell your hasselbald to pay for a 1.3 megapixel digital camera. When they first came out, digital cameras were $20,000 dollars. You can guy Dora Goodman bodies but you still need vintage lenses and film backs.
I would add the Mamiya Press system to the rangefinder line! It’s still fairly cheap, has good lenses and interchangeable film backs that goes from 645 to 6x9! It’s kind of bulky but it’s simple and I like shooting with it. William Eggleston has done some interesting work with it. Definitely worth checking out! Keep up the good work, love your channel!
Thanks for a great overview!
I personally have a Rolleicord III and a now working Yashica mat 124G that I brought back to life by massaging the shutter.
I can't say anything about Swedish prices for the cameras I use as they are in good shape which brings up the price in addition to the supply and demand for film cameras in general!
If you are adventures look for an untested camera and hope for the best but have in mind that i may require some service!
What a great video. I can't add much to your very good suggestions, which I totally agree with. Just remember that the camera and lens cost is just the beginning, and accessories and service will add up fast. If the camera you happen to settle on is an SLR, the cost for that service may be eye-watering.
In this video you can see how this camera shoots: "TLR Lubitel 2 cameras, Lubitel 166U examples of black and white photos"
Thanks for the review. I would like to see a digital TLR camera. I guess I am use to DSLRs and cannot see going back to film. Just my preference.
I've just started taking pics 2 years ago with a Kiev 88 Camera. Later I've also bought the Kaleinar 150mm 2.8 for € 150 and honestly I was really impressed about the sharpness and the bouquet of this lens!
To get the same pics with my DSLR I have to buy a 600 € lens!!
Love the colors of Kodak Portra!
I think the negative film is more versatile than digital that looks like shooting with slide film!
No one ever brings up the Fujifilm GL690 :(
I'm a Pentax 67 guy. Absolutely love that camera...and combined with the legendary 105mm lens it's a dream set up!
Yep, one of my favourites. 🙂
Great videos, Kyle! Thanks for your reviews. I stumbled upon a Fuji GS645S a few months ago and snatched it up. It's a great camera!
Thanks for watching, Ashley!
Great video! Medium (and large) format is addictive. It's not just the size of the negative and quality of the images, but also something akin to belonging to an ancient brotherhood. I have (among others) a Konishiroku (Konica) Pearl III 6x4.5, which is roughly the size of a Leica, weighs 620g and has a coupled rangefinder. It cost me less than $100, but it seems the prices are climbing on these as well.
I don't trust those older synchro compur shutters at all! bought one recently and didn't realize you can't adjust the aperture or shutter speed after cocking the film advance. It completely destroyed the camera and all the million nano springs within the shutter. We moved on from those cameras for a reason and in the long run you won't be saving much money since you'll have to keep buying new cameras constantly.
2023 answer: the one you can afford, which is also the one not trendy with RUclipsrs (hello Mamiya 7).
MF is cool but a camera is useless in its case in the closet… I force myself to put my RB67 in the trunk of the car, but it’s an awful camera to carry (an easy 2.5-3.0 kg) [5-6 lbs]
And that camera lacks a meter. I got a lot of great snaps on a point & shoot because it’s so low effort to take it out of the pocket and take a picture.
I’m considering switching the RB for a 4x5 large format camera because what I do with it would make just as much sense on a LF camera. Many 4x5 are lighter than some MF cameras!
So it all boils down to what you want to use it for. Travel? You need lightweight and portable (rangefinder). Landscape or studio work or macro or astrophotography on tripod or shots near the car? RB or Go straight to large format. If you’re willing to lug the bulk and weight around in your backpack, shoot some event or at home: Pentax 67 or rangefinder, even better with working meter.
Now if you get that GAS syndrome it’s okay. You can acquire a new toy and have fun with it. If you don’t like it, try another one.
I do love my Zeiss Ikon Mesa 5245/16 uncoupled RF. The images are beautiful. The TRL I love my Rolleicord II Type III some of the best images of shot. I also have the Mamiya C220. I shot it a few times and the viewfinder is brighter than my Rolleicord. Each one has a purpose in my mind because in reality, why shoot 2 of the same 6x6 formats. lastly the RB67 Pro (OG) now thats a beast an I have not mastered. need more time and muscles
Professional photographers always have the urge to change the backs of their cameras.
You are not 100% correct by saying the TLR has less options than a SLR.
- Sheet film backs can also be mounted to the TLR and Rangefinder Mamiya cameras -
The TLR Mamiya cameras have at least six different viewfinders.
Customizing is the wrong expression when you think of changing the original
parts of your camer. I sometimes customize aLF cameras by the "Frankenstein way"
I do not think a TLR with a fixed lens will be a confersation starter. Any camera can be.
Why not starting the cheapest way and just buy a folding camera?
Cool recommendations Buddy! For me, the Mamita RB67 is better as I have one of these! Thanks!
I'd advise beginners to stay away from cheap soviet cameras. They may look appealing since you get medium format images on a budget but having a camera fail on you tends to ruin the experience quite a lot. You'll find yourself buying a new one once a year and spend the same amount of money in the long run than buying a good one in the first place.
A lot of people doing reviews often mention that fact that the Mamiya 1000s and its 'J' version don't have a facility for changing film but so what neither does any 35mm camera either. Really interesting and enjoyable review.
Thank you, this was super interesting! I wonder, is there any MF camera manufacturing era one should avoid? The rubber on some Polaroid cameras from about 20 years ago gets very sticky and icky for instance, like it's melting/disintegrating away, whereas Canon cameras from the same era tend to be fine. Is there such an issue with certain MF cameras or do they all tend to hold together well? Thanks!
Who says Bronica are 'not as good of a camera _(sic)'_ as a Hasselblad? As one who has used most medium format cameras mentioned here, including at a commercial level, I can say that the differences are almost all perceptual and mostly subjective. Side by side comparisons show a negligible difference between the two. I was mostly a Bronica shooter and it was every bit as good in practice.
The only real reason to own a Hasselblad is because you want one. Nothing wrong with that but in qualitative terms, most of these cameras will turn out images which are every bit as good.
I own 3 medium-format cameras... and all 3 are in the thumbnail lmao
every film camera is becoming more and more pricey
Marco Popescu yep I’m holding onto all mine for this reason.
I have a pre-war Super Ikonta C in amazing condition that shoots 6x9 negs. One of the coolest things I own, and looks great with old conical metal lens shade. I've been collecting the close up lenses and color filters for B&W photography. My other MF camera is a Yashica 635, another great camera.
super ikonta 6x9 is on top of my want-list. i would even take a 6xt if it would be in good condition.
I have a Yashica 635 that I bought in mint condition for 88$ Australian a few years ago, and it came with the adaptor to shoot 35mm film as well...brilliant little camera that I love.
I have a 1957 Yashica Mat with a very sharp 75mm 3.5 Lumaxar lens and a Kiev 6c with a 90mm 2.8 lens plus a wlf and a Ttl prism.
I use the Yashica Mat the most due to its portability.
found this after buying my first medium format camera, Yashicaflex C
Linhof Tekniska 23 are good. Avoid the Linhof 220 at all costs. Nice camera but mechanism unreliable
Can't recommend the mamiya 645 1000s enough. For the price, I cant think of a better buy for an entry level camera.
I completely agree! Absolutely love mine(almost as much as my Nikon F2 but that’s 35mm lol). 645 1000s is the BEST bang for buck currently as this medium format film craze is outta control!
Just bought one so v happy to see this haha. It was a very reasonable price (especially because the market where I live is possibly in a crazier state of pricing) and I'm so excited to shoot with it :)
@@sennah2138 Hope you enjoy it! I have since sold mine but it had nothing to do with the camera itself
@@sennah2138 how much is a reasonable price for this camera?
@@juansabatino2243 good question hahaha, i don't think I'm all that qualifies for ask but I paid around 300 euros for mine which included everything but the prism finder (which I do regret now so I def recommend getting it in a bundle if you wanna shoot both ways haha, does drive up the price a bit).. it does need some fixing it seems so that's kind of tragic.. that's ebay for ya I suppose
My 1st MF camera actually belonged to the college where I was taking classes in photography in the late '80's, and that was a Yashicamat 124G. Great images, easy to use, and also rather quiet. Highly recommend finding a good working example for roughly $200-$300 USD.
the Kiev 6 C and the improved 60 models are a great affordable option, just like a large SLR with interchangable view finders , 6x6 format
this is my pin point as to why I picked up a Bronica SQ-Ai
My first (and only so far) medium format camera was a Mamiya RB67. It's a heavy tank, but it's great! Medium format is a game changer! The quality of the photos has no comparison.
What lenses do you use?
If you’re looking for a big step for good a price, you can’t go wrong with the Mamiya rb67 pro s. Is modular, shoots a 6x7 negative, and great lens selection. You can pick up a kit on eBay for below $500
Agreed. IMO, one of the best value buys out there.
agree with you on that. I have one and its a beautiful camera to use. heavy, but produces wonderful images.
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My First 6X6 was a Kowa Six, oh so many years ago. My next was a Bronco ERTS. Now a Pentax 645N. I am trying to find a Kowa super 66.
My first medium-format camera (Mamiya C330), after 40+ years of shooting 35mm and several years using mirrorless Fujifilm gear, arrived from Japan four days ago. I have one shot left on my first-ever 120 roll (Portra 400). So far I love everything about this camera and the shooting process. Looking forward to seeing the results after I really get the hang of it, which I imagine will take a while. It’s a big change. And a big camera.
Congrats! I’m sure you’ll love it.
I always changed my focusing screens to the split prism type and it made focusing for me so much better. Instead of relying on a "look" you relied on the lines being in parallel. Much better. Try a prism too (they are heavy but may do wonders for certain picture shoots such as head shots-don't get the mirrored version though-too low of contrast and dark).
Kyle McDougall I do indeed, Kyle. A whole new world.
Afraid I’ve gone off the medium-format deep end. Bought a Mamiya 645 system yesterday. And I’m still loving the C330. Now I just need someone to follow me around with those cameras so I don’t have to be the one lugging them. (BTW, I don’t see myself getting a 6x7 anytime soon. Gotta draw the line somewhere.)
Keith Wiebe I did opt for a prism finder on the 645. Good advice.
Fuji 690 family
Thank you!
My slr don't work at all where can I buy those cameras 📸?
These are some really interesting suggestions...anyway, I'm off to buy lubitel 166 for $40 off ebay.
Nothing wrong with a Lubitel!
What about in America to find buy these slr, tlr,
One additional thing I might mention are camera systems that offer leaf shutter lenses. For people who like to shoot with flash, especially outdoors, having a flash sync speed across all shutter speeds adds a ton of flexibility. It’s one of the reasons I went with a Bronica ETRS, whose entire lens lineup all have leaf shutters, over the Mamiya M645.
Yep, that’s a great point. Thanks Ben!
The mamiya press series is a really cheap and nice camera, i personally use a mamiya super 23 which is one of the press series
I have the press also, great lenses 50 to 250 mm lenses, changeable backs up to 6x9 so the 50mm is super wide angle, equal to a 21mm lens on a 35mm camera. Polaroid backs if they ever bring back tear apart film again.
Can the Mamiya 645 1000s and RB67 use the same lenses?
PENTACON 6 RULES !!!
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Any views on the Kiev 60? Would love your input 9or anyone that owns one for that matter. I can get the whole kit for 170 usd
Sorry, don't have any direct experience with that setup.
I would recommend an old Kodak folding camera from the 1930s-50s. They take dead sharp images with a large negative, and are around $20 on eBay. I’d even dare to say that they equal or outperform some more modern cameras.
Yes, my late Daddy's 1945-ish Kodak 620 (make a note of the film size) Medalist non-rangefinder (estimate the distance and set the focus) has a very good Kodak made Ektanar f4.5 90mm lens (four element) in an x-sync shutter and makes 8 6x9 cm images per roll. They go for $45-125 with a good lens, shutter and bellows and fold-up no bigger than the big i-Phone, just thicker. It'll make 24 x36 Inch enlargements all day long sharp as a tack if I focus well and hold it still. The Yashica Mat 124 is an outstanding performer for the money, but they are getting quite hard to find in good+ condition. They go from $125-200(!) I've a dozen in various states of working conditions, but none in "saleable" condition. "620" is just a different size spool than "120" but they are NOT interchangeable!!! 620 and 120 film will fit on the same stainless steel or plastic developing reel, so don't worry about that, but the film spool is greatly different.
@@Walkercolt1 If you're brave, you can trim and sand down the plastic reel a bit to fit in a 620 camera, or roll it into a spare 620 reel in a darkroom.