The Packers Are Bad
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- The Green Bay Packers lost to the Las Vegas Raiders on Monday Night Football 17-13.Jordan Love, Matt LaFleur & the entire offense struggled to move the ball and it ultimately cost them the game.
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I don’t know what’s more off putting, the fact my Raiders won a game of football or the fact that Joe Barry and Josh McDaniels are still employed in the NFL.
Well, your coach is no longer worst in the league, so that’s a big win, compared to my coach, Matt Lafraud, who has now taken your coach’s place as worst head coach in the league. And yeah, Matt Lafraud and Joe Barry need to be fired immediately.
@@broizon205 no its not a win, we want him to fail so he leaves, let him build a career somewhere else but not with the raiders. This game was flaccid because of him ruining our offense inside and out for the past year and counting. I'm sure Green Bay can relate though
Matt Canada
As a Raiders fan; both.
Not to worry, the Raiders will finish 6-11 and McFrauDaniels will be fired, hopefully. (SARCASM ALERT) Isn't Jimmy G a huge upgrade over Derek Carr???(SARACASM ALERT) Facts: 15.5 PPG, 7TDs ,7Ints is not an upgrade in any size shape or form over Derek Carr.
This is why I like Tom, he's honest about the team and has insights that you wish the coaches had.
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I don't understand how they had 10 days to prepare for this game and looked this unprepared?
MAYBE they spent 9 days wondering about how bad the Lions mauled them and forgot this game was on??????
No Aaron jones…..simple as that. He’s the offense.
@@ch33zybreadtrellie4that's concerning LMAO
Cause Jordan Love is not him.
@@ch33zybreadtrellie4Why is he your offense? You have an above average receiving core,you have AJ Dillon,and Jordan Love can be a competent QB and could be better. You seriously can function with this? I get you guys have a crappy O-Line,but you're telling me you couldn't scheme something up with these guys?
This is the first time the Raiders have beaten the Packers since 1987. It’s crazy to think one team has kept wining against the other for nearly 4 decades.
To be fair it's usually been Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre at the helm. And I assume the teams meet maybe once every several years
The Jets have never beat the Eagles at any point in nfl history and they first played each other in 1973 (ironically they are playing each other this Sunday)
They don’t play eachother that often once every 4 years and y’all had two hof qbs it’s kinda makes sense to me .
It's something like in those 36 years they've played 12 times? Around there I believe
Reminds me of the Patriots vs Chargers matchups. The Chargers are 3-20 vs the Pats in the past 50 years, with all 3 wins coming from 2002 to 2008
Raider fan here, was glad to see them not blow it for once! Wish both our teams were better though :(
It's McDaniels. To bad we can't get rid of him for a while tho🤦
@@PoisonMissile he'll be gone next year, so no worries.
McDaniels tried the packers just blew harder.
GG Buddy, good luck and godspeed!
@@A_New_Wavy I wish I could agree, but for the fact they blew their head coach budget on both Jack Del Rio and Gruden (for which the Raiders are still on the hook). They don’t have the money for a quality head coach right now. The other factor is Mark Davis himself. Even if the Raiders go 2-15 this season, Davis will still be reluctant to pull the trigger. Look at how long it took him to finally fire Dennis Allen. In this organization, failure doesn’t mean you’re gonna lose your job, and success, especially in Jack Del Rio’s case (or Rich Bisaccia for that matter), is no guarantee you’re gonna keep it, either.
As a Raider fan for 4 decades, I can honestly tell you I feel your pain, Tom. We spent $102 million on our offense and have yet to put up at least 20 points in a game this year! I have to agree with you, I thought the Pack would win, but our Defense is starting to show signs of life and the only reason we won.
It was a real breath of fresh air to see our defense actually bail Josh McDaniels out of his incompetence for a change. Good to know Maxx Crosby isn't the only guy on the defensive side of the ball who can take over a game :D
dang lions didnt spend half thst and are wayyyy better. like night and day.laporta is destroying mayer too
true and you held Watson by his jersey and a cheap horse collar. typical raiders things.
Yeah, the Raiders were not good on offense in that game, and have been terrible this season offensively. It's been a LONG time since the Raiders' defense has been the reason why they won a game. It's really weird to be honest. I guess it just shows how much of a mess the Packers are since the Raiders defense is still one of the worst in the league.
Though on the bright side, this game made McDaniels look AWFUL. Keep it up please; we need more evidence of your incompetence so Mark Davis can't ignore it any longer. The Raiders aren't going to be a good team until he's fired.
It's weird to watch Jimmy struggle this much with Josh Jacobs and Devonte Adams. He was frustrating as a niner but not out right bad. We figured he'd struggle but still get yall to 10-7, 9-8. Not sure why he's a turnover machine now. Bad play calling or not he should know better than to make those throws.
Joe Barry was the DC of the 0-16 Lions and he's really looked like it.
Packers do no background checks on their defensive coordinators, because otherwise, we wouldn’t hire people like Mike Pettine and Joe Barry.
Holy shit how is he still employed
@@Noctem_pasa Because Matt Lafraud keeps him around and doesn’t have the balls to fire him.
@@Noctem_pasa Sometimes fail is not the coaches' fault, sometimes it is. No DC could have saved that Lions defense. It was one of the worst in NFL history because there was almost nothing to work with. Which isn't to defend Barry's current performance, it's just ... team failures aren't always the fault of the coach.
the defense allowed 17 points, including holding the raiders to 3 points from the 8 yard line, 4 sacks, an interception and should have have more according to were Barry had them lined up.
I don’t mind the roster having problems, the fact that they went 8-9 last year with Rodgers is why I kept my expectations still low and grounded for this season. I said 6-11, hoping for maybe that 7th or 8th game as a stretch goal.
But the fact that Lafleur arguably looked like a worse coach than McDaniels, and that Love looked horrible against a bad defense, those are both terrible signs for the future.
The only reason they might do better than 6-11, is because they have one of the easiest schedules in the league. Frankly with their schedule, only winning 6-7 games is tragic. They have like 7-8 games against the worst teams in the league this year.
I'm very disappointed in MLF. He doesn't put his players in very good positions to succeed from the scheming, preparation, to the play calling on offense. I understand it's a young team and going through the growing pains and such but you have a 5th year HC to coach these players, not a 1st or 2nd yr HC.
Time for us to come together and fire MLF and Joe Barry!
Y'all should play the Jets, Wilson is the MLF hunter I heard
Been warning people about him since Rodgers said to the press what could have been done about the rookie receivers *in the preseason.* No effing _way_ does Rodgers go to the press before speaking to his HC. Who ignored him like he was a Slow Child.
Granted, it's not _all_ his fault. This franchise side-steps Great Prospects every draft so consistently that *I'm convince* they try to draft well enough to keep their jobs but want to be rewarded by not having to work over the Holidays (miss the playoffs).
& let's face it, _he _*_wants_* Joe Barry gone. But we all watched him stare at the field in incomprehension after those rookie receivers dropped Rodgers; perfect dimes as if confused & continued to ignore Rodgers' ideas while his own continued to fail.
He Does Not make in-game adjustments & couldn't adjust to Jones not being able to play tonight. _That_ is on him, no one else.
I thought he was overrated from the start, but he got boosted by rodgers
@@choosecarefully408same here dude, he’s an awful awful HC, can’t teach players, just a mediocre playcaller on his good days
Being a lifelong Raiders fan, I must admit that losing to them means the Packers really do suck this season. However, one season is nothing compared to all the years of disappointment the Raiders have gifted me with.
I’m a chargers fan so I feel your pain. Lol
I'm proud of the raiders fans that have stuck with them over the decades. Thats true dedication as a fan and it deserves mad respect.
@@humorinpolitics56 thanks!
@7Sam5 No problem, it's the truth. I'm not one to shove it in the faces of the fans of teams that have been struggling for a long time. What's the point, really? We're fans of the sport first and foremost. A little ribbing after a game is fine, but some A-holes take it way too far. Mind you, I don't mind you guys taking Jimmy G. Now that we got Brock playing lights out, lmfao. But you have a new RUclips comment friend from Canada.
Lol very true
Lions Fans: We've been waiting for this moment for a VERY long time!
I'm sure Bears fans want to say this too 😅 but they've got their own things going on lately. Good to see Detroit collectively show happiness for the first time in god knows how long, although I'm a Packers fan, but growing pains is the theme for sure
It's been 84 years
Jaguars fan here, I'm happy for you all! Go Lions!
@@NewMexicanJaguar23your team need to keep winning because I wanna see YOUR tails in OUR Super Bowl 🐆🦁
As a lions fan I saw this coming a long time ago it’s really no surprise the Lions are dominating the NFC north
People need to remember that Aaron Rodgers had a first full season record of 6-10. He also had 7 starts before that particular year of 2008. Love needs some time before that determination of whether he's good or bad can be fully made.
Wins aren’t a QB stat, rodgers was doing great in losses, Love is doing terrible in losses.
@@Cpg443It’s fair to say thought that Rodgers had a better staff around him with new guys but with veterans as well and there just aren’t that many guys on the offense outside of a few who’ve been in the league for a long time and are healthy and difference makers aka Aaron Jones. I think Watson gets better and idk if Doubs was double covered the whole game or if they were able to shit him and Reed down considering we know both those guys are actually really good. We know how good Watson can be but yeah it’s growing pains right now. I wasn’t expecting a playoff team just maybe a .500 team
People need to stop calling Love a future hall of famer. He is a run of the mill QB. He is nothing special. Love was overhyped only because of his race, prove me wrong.
@@Mrwaluigi777who tf overhyped him because of his race?? You are on some other shit bro
I think he can grow into being good... but he really struggles with pressure rn.
Every time the Packers lose, it just makes me more upset the Saints blew that lead
As a packer fan, the refs handed us that game. I don't think the saints threw
@@AstroBimpsonespecially since we shutout the Patriots and scored double the points as well plus 21 at halftime?! Should of been two shutout wins and an 4-1 record and top scoring defense on the league over San Fran and Dallas.
69 years on 2 PI calls back to back...
MHM
Jameis
I'm more concerned about the play calling than Love's performance. I came into this season thinking "OK, time to take off the kid gloves, give Love the full playbook and see what he can do." Then MLF and company refuse to throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field, despite the average yards to gain for a first down on third down being almost 7 all night. I'm worried if the play calling doesn't improve we will not have an accurate evaluation of Love. I'm all for moving off Love at the end of the year if he's not the guy, but only if he is given every opportunity than Rodgers had in order to fairly see what we are working with.
I'm a Bears fan, and all I can say is that it's been enjoyable living vicariously through the Lions this year. They've been bad for so long that it's nice to see them finally win a couple games. Like a little brother finally making his mark on the world.
I'm a Steelers fan with no connection to Detroit or the Lions in general, but they've always been my "underdog" team. They were so bad for so long, but I would cheer for them if they were on tv as long as they weren't playing the Steelers.
Whew half a season 😅
As a pack fan I can live with it. All of our divisions teams had turns leading or winning the division the past 30 years so now it's finally the lions turn
I think its good for the division. Its been so lopsided for so long that one team is almost guaranteed a playoff spot. I hope it gets more competitive in years to come, which will make for better teams all around.
Ah another example of Rodgers covering the coaches weakness.
@@IsaacMSingleton1 Yup Rodgers tried to warn the fans like he did with McCarthy and they turned on him.
@datboybobby pretty easy to "turn" on a guy who makes himself into thr villain of the NFL lol
@@NLSNcs The media makes him the villain.. you obviously eat up what they spoon feed you
Rogers carried that whole team...
@@user-qr7ee2cp4ypffft, Rodgers can't even carry himself right now.
It’s alright bud, as a lions fan (my first season watching was the 2008 season), it eventually gets better.
Key word eventually
My first season as well! I was 8 years old and didn't understand anything but here we are, still roaring!
@@latherandrinse9645to be honest I was like 3 ish 4 so I don’t remember most of it but it was my first season watching!!
It's the Packers turn to be at the bottom of the division for a couple decades. I wonder what the division will look like in a few weeks.
Four decades of hall of fame quarterback play, he’s had it pretty good for a while. No team is good forever
100% real. Finally someone said it. This gotta be Gutacunts and LaFleurs last year. Really showing how clueless they are…
I'm not a Packers fan, but they are one of my favourite teams. I am a Grossi fan, and I feel for you, brother.
Things will get better next week, as GB plays the Denver Donkeys.
Everybody beats the Donkeys....just ask the Miami Fish.
Grossi and Perna going mouth to mouth....microphones could melt.
@@snotnosewilly99 The question is how many points GB can put up against the Broncos.
I'm starting to think Chef Russ is cooking to get out of town.
Lions fan here! Love definitely needs seasoning, but yeah I think the biggest issue (other than the OL of course) is that Lafleur really sucks at playcalling. Doesn't help your QB out at all as you've pointed out. I think he needs to hand those duties to his OC. Also what would help your young receivers out is getting a dependable vet as a sort of glue guy. Sometimes too much youth is actually a problem.
If Fields had this type of game, people would be calling for his head, ignoring all the other problems the team has. He has not only had the worst defense in the league since he's been drafted, but he's also on a team where the average age is the youngest in the league, which you brought up as being a problem. Gotta LOVE the double standard, pun intended.
Our defense isn't close to worst I'm the league. It's definitely not as good as it should be though. I gave it a rare pass last night. It got stops and we had chances.
@MFBloosh Then again, fields has been a starter for 3 years now. He doesn't really have the excuse of "growing pains" anymore.
@@packisbetter90 Yeah I mean there's a lot of talent on that side of the ball on every level. I mean how many first and 2nd round picks are in that front 7?
While everyone was screaming for Rodgers' head at the end of last year, I said we'd be talking about MLF's head at the end of 2023. I was off by 12 weeks. Love is struggling due to accuracy (been a problem from day one) and he is late on a lot of throws (decision making / progressions).
Yup, Rodgers to Adams saved many games.
Love's ball placement has always been horrible.
As an outsider, I see the coaching as problem number one because if you read Love's face and body language it said 'why the F did you call that play'?. Issue two is the O line. They to me looked confused and didn't communicate well in blocking assignments (see Crosby for more info) and lastly it not taking advantage of Josh McDaniels idiocy. There was blood in the water and no one went in for the kill.
Yep, well said. Love had a bad game but a lot of the blame for that goes to the coaching and play calling. It was atrocious, There was so many plays that even a casual fan is scratching his head thinking wtf are you doing and like you said you could see it on Love's face as well. It's hard to play well when you are forced into plays that make no sense in the game situation.
And McDaniel's and his raiders tried really hard to lose this game too. Seems Mcdaniels is making the wrong call in every single critical situation and the decision is not even a hard one, but Mcdaniels got lucky the Packers coaching was somehow worse this game otherwise Mcdaniels would be the butt of the bad coaching jokes for another week.
As a lifelong Saints and Lions fan, you can probably guess my opinion on the Packers, but watching Grossi has really softened me up to the stuff the Packers have been dealing with and what they’ve dealt with the past decade or so. We choke games, the Packers choke games, we’re not so different after all.
Saints and Lions fan here too (there are dozens of us). I think the thing I like most is despite being a packer show, Tom almost feels unbiased. It’s just always a really fair take on the actual situation
My hate for the packers has slowly faded since Aaron left
Saints and Packers with Brees and Rodgers were both really similar. Some choked and definitely some terrible playoff luck
As a Raiders fan iv learnt to feel nothing, every game we give the other team every opportunity to win either stupid calls or making every penalty known to man. So I feel for you . If we didn't have maxx we would have been screwed
Same sentiment. I guess is keeping you all’s now special team coach made too much sense. Pretty Jimmy is NOT an upgrade over Carr. And frankly McDummy is a downgrade from Rich
Hey everyone remember before the season when Mark Murphy said “We are gonna see Matt’s true offense without Aaron here and Jordan playing” maybe Aaron rubbed the front office the wrong way because he was more intelligent and people in power positions don’t like that..
Yeah the rodgers hating packers fan sure got quite quick
@@IsaacMSingleton1 thank you!! Exactly what I’ve been saying
Murphy is 100% right, and we're seeing it. Problem is MLF's offense is total dogshit and relies on Aaron Jones. If he's not playing, we're a bottom 4 team offensively, and that'd being generous.
The Packer line was bad LAST year. Rodgers got rid of the ball quickly. I said before this season, if people blame Jordan's bad play on the OL this year, they didn't appreciate Rodgers and they don't know football...
If not for an injury to the Saints Packers would be 1-4
I mean New Orleans missed a makeable field goal at the end. You didn’t even have to mention the injury.
Did Aaron Jones Play in that game?? How bout jaire?? Ooooooooh only the saints had a big player out right? The hell outta here
If not for injuries to the Packers they might well have won some of the other games. There's tons of unknowables like that.
Also a 4th down and 3 yards from being 4-1
@@ch33zybreadtrellie4big difference between those players snd ones starting Qb but nice try cheesehead
This , is why I love this channel. Yes I love the comedy, the play by plays , reactions, etc. , but it’s honest and true appreciation of not only the fandom, but the game. We have no clue what Jordan love is going to be and I’ll be the first to tell you as someone who became a fan because of the likes of Farve, ahman green, Donald driver , Robert ferguson and basically growing up with Rodgers , Aaron and James Jones, jordy and tae, this doesn’t feel or look good. But neither did Rodgers in 08. It’s definitely been tough but I always appreciate the passionate yet level headed perspective of this channel. Reminds me of rich eisen but in his own way and that’s what I love.
I think we need to remember we were supposed to temper our expectations for this season
Exactly I think this isn't so terrible considering this is year 1 of a rebuild
For right now and the foreseeable future we are in much better place than many teams
Especially our division
In 2 years we will be back to business as usual
Which is getting owned by the 49ers in the playoffs
kinda hard when the past what, 30 years have been stellar. lol
Why!??? He's been in the system for 3 years!!! The top 3 picks from the 2020 draft were on display, they have 3 years together
@@mariojimenez227that's not remotely the same those guys have three years playing time, Jordan is essentially a rookie when it comes to actual game time. Plus he is in the youngest team in the league. Were you expecting him to be MVP level and carry the entire team on his back immediately?
I can deal with a team being full of young players who are running wrong routes, dropping passes etc. what SHOULDN'T be happening though is very bad play calling from our HC! who has over 3 years experience as a HC and a lot more as OC etc.
Your point about patience at the end is key. I see so many social media comments about how we need to clean house but that won’t help anything. I was at this game and it looks like Love is struggling with his reads and progressions. But again, only his sixth start.
I mean this is what Jordan Love was his final year of college when he threw 17 interceptions. Just atrocious Jameis Winston levels of decision making.
Exactly, mofo haven't improve since college. Have 4 years of nfl development and still play like shit.
Back to back primetime losses... I can't even remember the last time that happened if ever...
As a Bears fan your streams are the best. Football content is awesome
@@zdr01031994the packers may suck but the packers still own the bears
@@zdr01031994The Bears-Packers matchup at the end of the season ought to be a good one. Bear Down!
@@zdr01031994as a bears fan too I hope the packers enter Qb hell for a long period of time they are overdo
It's funny how much he sounds like we have with Fields lol
@@zdr01031994 Bear fan here - agreed....
A lot of Jordan Love‘s passes were late. He saw the open wide receivers, but by the time he decided to throw the ball there, the wide receivers were no longer open. Even on that final interception, if Love had thrown the ball a second earlier, that becomes a touchdown instead of a pick.
And that is where experience and preparation come into play, neither of which Love looked like he had
The pick by Love at the end felt like something Rodgers did in Green Bay the last 3 years. So I think it's the playcalling.
Receiver was waving I'll get it. The coach was waving throw it there and probably throwing there the plan. And the Receiver is way taller than the Defender and probably likely to get the win but the defender timed their jump perfically to get it. So it not Love stupidity. He not Brady or Rodgers to put it on other side of the receiver in a much harder throw so no chance it gets grabbed but he might be there in year or two or not Rodgers first year he was not that good.
As a Bucs fan watching Brady throw to what must be a slightly larger than the football spot in end zone while the receiver not anywhere close to the end zone just knowing they would beat there man and the ball most often hit that spot it was amazing. And the receiver able to trust bRady to hit that spot so face into the end zone so the ball went over their shoulder and into their hands while never looking for the ball took skill as well. Rodgers could do that too but I did not have the opportunity to see that as close up. It was sad half way though last season when Brady fell apart other than two minute drills as he started missing open receivers a lot of the time.
Honestly looked more like a Favre-type pick. The con of living by the gunslinging is you die by the gunslinging sometimes.
Rodgers didn't force throws he didn't need to attempt. It's definitely a Farve esque throw.
That pick by Love at the end was thrown about a second too late. WR was wide open and Love didn’t throw it until the defender had a chance to recover. It was a late pass that was poorly thrown
Now you know why Rogers used to change the plays and drive Matt crazy . Roger was correct , the coaches stink .
Yeah I don’t think MLF is the genius we thought he was. It was clear he was getting carried by arod his first 3 years… he’s never been able to coach a full game. Embarrassing
As a packers fan, im shocked that I didn't find your page earlier!! Great video, ill be tuning in for the rest of them!
He’s finally admitting to it 🎉🎉
Packers are evaluating talent this year😂😂relax lil bro
@@FlungFluPandajust keep telling yourself that buddy
oh lord, people are all butt-hurt about a football team. 😂 it's entertainment - let it go, y'all.
@@FlungFluPandainsane copium
@@FlungFluPandathis is insane cope especially when you consider the fact that they don’t have any talent
I appreciate that Tom can react to this game, criticize his team, and still be supportive. Too much over reaction theatre in the NFL.
I feel like I am watching a mix of a normal Packers fan as well as Vic Ketchman. Blend the passion of a fan and the grounding analysis of Vic. I watched this video and "achieved perspective" 👍
As a raiders fan, I was surprised we won. Especially at the end, not going for it on 4th and one. Seemed like we we're trying not to lose. You can build with Love though.
Welcome to life as a normal football fan packers nation, the last 30 years had been good to you
THANK YOU tom and the other packers youtubers. These videos helps take the loss somewhat easier lol
Gpg
Are we gonna see a packer version of new new new worst game ever?
Probably not were too "mid" to be that bad!
Yes, absolutely! This game broke me as a Packers fan!😡😡😡
Yes when we get Molly wop by the broncos. Bring Clifford in.
I can’t believe ANYONE has ever thought Jordan Love was “The Guy”……..????
Jordan Love was simply the Packers getting too cute in the draft and thinking they were inherently entitled to HOF quarterbacking……..😐
Best football content out there man! Keep it up!
Some Packers fans, the ones calling an effective rookie a bust after 6 games, reeeeeally got spoiled by the almost uninterrupted 30 years of Hall of Fame QB play.
He is not a bust. He playing like a 4th or 5th rounder draftee like he should been. No business whatsoever to be draft In the first round. Make it even worst. Just straight shit who won't improve his accuracy or decision since college. If he can't fix it with 4 year of nfl development then what make you think he will improve in the future.
This is Gutekunst team officially. He owns this top to bottom. And the team has been regressing over the past 3-4 years. How many seasons will he get to prove he knows what he’s doing?
I wouldn’t say its just gutekunst, since MLF took over, Rashan Gary is the only guy on this roster that has actually improved year by year. MLF cannot COACH. He can only call mediocre plays, players don’t progress, and our depressed librarian of a HC isn’t helping.
@@IsaacMSingleton1 It's hard to say, he's definitely not even close to a great run defender, but just compare what he does now to what he did the first 2 years in the league, that's what I mean. he's the only guy since MLF took over that has shown significant improvement. I am nervous to see what his contract ends up being because you're absolutely right; he's still a liability.
After the Bears win Rex Ryan was the only announcer to say “he’s not good”
And his reason, all the double clutching during the bear game
Red said, those double clutches will become picks against a good team. 😊
Wish you had mentioned the dropped passes before that final interception. Perfectly good throws that, if caught, prevent Love from tossing the ball up with a prayer.
They looked like the Ravens…😂
Tom, after games like this you’re the only football talk I can stand. I’m too embarrassed to turn on espn or nfl network today.
I didn't expect a superbowl caliber team, but man does this team make me want to drink acid.
Packers Fans after 6 games:
“Love Sucks.”
Bears Fans after Fields goes 5-20 as a starter:
“Fields is a 2023 MVP candidate.”
Packers have been spoiled, and Rodgers first season was 6-10. Let’s continue to evaluate.
Love was doing well, then the league adjusted, he's going to have to adjust back, that's what determines if he is meant for this league as a starter.
Huge Packers fan.I said as soon as Rodgers was traded that the Packers wouldn’t even be .500 this season. Rodgers made up and covered for so many of the teams deficiencies. If we went 8-9 last year, with an injured Rodgers, why would we be better this year? People were quick to forget that even in a down year Rodgers is still better than league average. I think packers fans became spoiled wirh Rodgers and are going to start to miss him pretty soon. I never wanted him to leave, but will be rooting for his comeback story in New York.
The play calling tonight was awful, and Loves decision making has looked pretty poor. Maybe Lafleurs success has mostly been due to Rodgers? We will find out…
The Division is still crap. You can still win quite a few games.
Be thankful they don't have to play the 49ers this year especially after watching the pile driving they gave the Cowgirls Sunday night.
I agree with everything said here. My primary criticism of Jordan Love is that he telegraphs nearly every pass. It appears he knows who he is throwing to before the ball is snapped and stares that person down the entire play. I have hope that things will improve.
Cudos from Raider Nation for making us officially better than the Broncos again.
In Rodgers first year as a starter (2008), the Packers went 6-10 with Rodgers throwing 28 TDs to 13 INTs at a 63.6% completion rate and just over 4,000 passing yards. Through 5 games, Jordan Love has 8 TDs to 6 INTs at a 55.6% completion rate and almost 1,100 passing yards - the seasons are roughly comparable to date. I don't recall anyone calling for Mike McCarthy to be fired in his third year at that time, but maybe the difference is that Rodgers already was showing flashes of accuracy in his rookie season, and so far Love looks like he only has the arm strength but no deep ball accuracy.
Three things, one, multiply Loves numbers by 3.4 to actually get to the proper “pace” and you’ll see that Love would have fewer yards, fewer touchdowns, and more interceptions (actually on pace for over 20). Two, the league is in a completely different place in terms of passing statistics than it was in 2008. Three, go back and watch some of those games from 2008. Rodgers was already making quite a few “wow” plays. Throws into tight coverage, downfield shots, etc. I’m not saying Love won’t be serviceable, but if he were going to be really good we’d have seen something by now.
As always, through the good and the bad - go Pack go. I still believe in Jordan Love, I want him to succeed. I still believe in Matt LaFleur, and I hope he changes his coaching for Love. Go Pack Go.
Packer fans need to realize going from HOF’er to HOF’er is not the norm in the NFL. Montana to Young and Favre to Rodgers is not an everyday thing. You’re in for some rough times.
I have yet to see ONE single "dime" pass from Jordan Love in the NFL yet... I havnt even seen him hit a WR wide open like Watson tonight... on stride and on a line... remember Rodgers first shot to Watson game 1 last season and Watson just bricked it. I have never even seen that pass from Love.
Love to Jones in the Eagles game last season and Love to Wicks in the Atlanta game. Love to Doubs in the Saints game as well as Love to Reed. Just off the top of my head. Quite trying to throw the guy under the bus, Josh Allen had a 53% completion percentage in 2018 and a 58% competition percentage in 2019, look how he turned out.
@@lukebowman7513 bro, I didn't say simply completed passes... I said "dimes" meaning the throw was a 10/10. Havnt seen one yet, watched every pass he's thrown.
@@seanwallace89he’s thrown dimes but they haven’t been completions due to drops or good defense. That pass to Wicks in the end zone during the falcons game comes to mind. It’s weird, his best throws just haven’t been completions
@@seanwallace89 and I gave you 4 examples of dimes, 4 throws that could not have been thrown any better, two of which weren't caught.
Jordan love ain't got it. If we lose to a broncos team that got 70 score on them and lost to the jets then bench him and let sean Clifford play. Aint got Time to cope. Gotta cut our lost while it early.
Issues with Green Bay
*love has accuracy issues
*matt Lefluer looks like a lost confused puppy
*joe Barry being here
We’re only 5 weeks into the season, Jordan Love has a lot to grow from. The coaching tonight was terrible but honestly I’ve kinda expected it considering how the packers have been the last three seasons. We’re 100% in a rebuild but we still have a more than half a season to go, I’m intrigued to see what this team looks like by the end of the season. My prediction? 6-11
just curious, where are those 4 wins supposed to come from? Cuz after yesterday, I don't feel like we could win more than 4.
@@158Xavk they have the broncos next, the panthers are on their schedule, the giants, the vikings twice, and one more with the bears. I'm not a packers fan, but winning 4/6 of those is certainly possible to get 6 wins.
@@158Xavk my guess would be Steelers, Giants, Bucs and the Bears again. But I see what you mean, with how the O-line is and the coaching, I’m not too sure anymore
3-14 only other win against the bear. We losing all our game.
@@IsaacMSingleton1Denver defense dominating any offense is a joke. As bad as the packers are, the Denvers defense has managed to make Chicago and Washington look like the have playoff calliber offenses. They recently gave up tied for the most points in NFL history.
Heck they made the Jets offense look stellar last week (at least until they got to the endzone)
Now you know how it feels to not have Rodgers who covered up for a lot of previous issues. He won games for the Packers that otherwise should have been losses. Long time Lion fan. Its our Time.
As a Vikings fan, you’re like us! I wonder which one of us will out bad the other week 8.
Now that's a damn harsh insult to a Packers fan who's in pain.
I'm a Viking fan and you're now like US!
Dang that is cold.
The Vikings will completely dismantle this Packer team…….😐
@@ddellwo Yea I have a hard time seeing the Packers winning against the Vikings.
Jordan Love thinking he's facing the Saints and th refs will just throw ghost DPI flags.
Right.
Not even a Packers fan and I'm watching this😅. Your streams are entertaining and informative.
Exactly!! Me too
I don't know what team we could beat. We're finishing top 5 in the draft for sure. Coaches and QB are crap that's it.
Love is also at the point where he has played enough time for other teams to have meaningful tape on him and adjust based on his tendencies. Meaning they can now adjust and anticipate him. Looking forward to see if, he himself, can make those adjustements and continue growing.
Absolutely, which is why it's so important to get a run game established very quick into the game. The coaching is definitely not helping, and that's not giving Love a pass but you can't really establish a pass game when everyone is dropping into coverage because you have no run
And to think if the Saints didn’t collapse the Packers would very likely be 1-4
As a 30 year old Packers fan, idk what patience is anymore. We've always had a shot to win it all! I think a lot of Packers fans are confused after this game and you helped calm the noise, thank you.
52 y/o Lions fan. You guys don't even know. 🙂
37 year old bears fan. Welcome to the world of embarrassment and disappointment
Not trying to take a shot or anything. But in your 30 yr lifetime, the Packers have won 2 Super Bowls. In my 38 yrs, the Bills have yet to win 1.
I have been a die-hard Lions fan for 40 years & suprisingly, despite being a Packers podcaster, a die-hard Tom Grossi fan for a few months now. My Lions are entertaining this season & so is Tom. It's looking like its going to be a great season for both & I will be watching.
Horrible and lazy play calling on offense all night Tom. Pack had plenty of time yet, no need to try to force the ball in the end zone. This game is going to bug me for a while.
On the bright side, Matt Lafleur right now is coaching better than Bill Belichick. And Sean Payton.
They weren't that bad, total over reaction. I mean have you seen the Broncos this year - or last year?
You know it's a bad game when Tom doesn't put the same energy into the 'GROSSI POSSI! PACKER NATION!' and Middle Name spiel
Hi Tom. As a lions fan, I wouldn’t know what’s it’s like so I’m wondering how much it sucks to have to watch a dumpster fire every week. I couldn’t imagine having to watch terrible coaching and bad qb every week.
Thanks Tom!
I was neutral on both sides last night, but I had both Jayden Reed and Romeo Doubs (because my top receiver was on a bye and Aaron Jones was out...) and I needed 2 points to win my fantasy matchup. Who would've thought it would've been so damn frustrating trying to get one damn reception from both each. OMFG!!!!
As a Lions fan, GB needs to learn to understand growing pains. Love has shown some good traits but he doesn't have everything around him that he needs. Give it a year or two. I know that will be hard since you have had 30 years of HoF QBs.
When the Jets drafted Zach they literally told him on draft day, don't worry you're not going to have to carry the team, we'll carry you. They then put him with a rookie head coach, rookie OC (MLF), a QB coach who got killed before preseason, and was not replaced, no mentor older QB, a terrible OL, WRs at the top of the league in drops (none of whom are starting anywhere now), and forced him to start in the most hostile city with the most hostile fan base. At a position that usually requires time to develop, that's how you screw your future. How long has it taken Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, etc. to show that they may finally be getting it? And none on their original teams. Jaguars fans were calling Lawrence a bust through 4 games last year. But he had the good fortune to get a Super Bowl winning coach who has a knack for developing QBs. What a concept.
As a Bears fan this is great lol. Love your videos man.
Bear Dahnnn
Matt's been out coached every week and the 1st half stats prove it. An to make matters worse it feels like he's terrified to call plays because Love doesn't have any grasp on the plays or Defense he's going against. These past few weeks it comes across like we had zero scripted plays because nothing looked like it had any resemblance of being rehearsed. No innovation, no speed motions, nothing to attack an aggressive D. Hell when Watson got us on the Goal like instead of sneaking a tight end out to counter an aggressive Crosby, we just ran it in the middle over an over. Its Mike McCarthy play call all over again, predictable an shallow.
Now there playing the niners in the divisional round
Remember. Aaron Rodgers inherited an NFC Championship team from Favre. Rodgers inhereted a team that never made the playoffs
Stop the cope. Love looking like shit right now and if we lose to broncos then bench him and let Clifford play. Gotta cut our lost while it early. Aint waiting 2 to 3 year to see if he our guy. 1 season to show something that he have that it factor like aaron rodger show. If not then dont resign him.
That into is fire 🔥. Hang in there Tom . Eagles 🦅 fans love you, go birds!
Go Birds!
Matt lefluers coaching not to lose or get hurt is getting old.
Whoever taught Jordan Love to be Aaron Rodgers did him a disservice
No, he needs that talk because that’s what we got him for, to be that next great qb for our team.
@@broizon205 buddy, that’s what every team gets every QB for, but there’s different kinds of ways to be great as a quarterback, and not all of them involve a “scrambling heroball always works” strategy.
I distinctly remember the play where Preston Smith covered Adams and I recall my jaw dropping like "what is happening here???"
I knew this would happen. All the blame goes to the incompetent front office.
I'm glad we brought up Matt Lafleur. I've never really liked him, and to hear Kurt Benkert say yesterday that he was the only coach in the NFL he never got along with, and then watching him chew out rookies on the sideline last night, I'm continuing to wonder on his ability to inspire players to a higher level.
Seahawks fan here - I feel for your squad, dude. People are super quick to throw young quarterbacks under the bus, but they need time.
Two words: Geno Smith.
Hope Jordan Love works out. At a quick glance, he looks like he just needs a little help to piece it all together.
Keep makin' videos, I'll keep watchin'!
guy might have only 6 games of experience, but dude has been in the league a few years, has been in all the meetings, watched the tape, idk, he seems more like a good backup than a starter
It's a big difference between studying tape and actually playing
@@GraveDigger35stop the cope. He just suck. Haven't improve his accuracy even with the nfl development what make you think he will improve later on? He ain't it. I want an actual project 1st round qb not this turd who should of been a 4th or 5th round pick.
I think most of us Packers Fans aren't used to losing and panicking. We've been a bit spoiled by having 2 Hall of Fame QBs since I've been alive in the early 90s so I think our expectations are quite a bit too high because we have just way too high of standards from the latest almost 30 years of the Franchise. I didn't get to watch this game, I dominated my Fantasy Matchup (Thanks Jamaar Chase, ETN and George Kittle) and didn't have anyone in this matchup tonight as I was working, might be glad I didn't see it lol.
We're used to being teased into thinking we're better than we are though. Going into the season I was expecting 5 or 6 wins. After week 1 I was at 9 wins. Now it's somewhere in the middle.
Packers are a young team with time to grow. Rodgers’ first season after sitting behind Favre wasn’t perfect either. At least you’ve got a roster with potential unlike the pats who are just now realizing how screwed they are without Brady
I went through this same feeling with the Red Wings. I grew up with them as a kid in the 90s when they were in the playoffs annually every year I was alive until 2015, and ever since I've had to deal with the harsh reality of "wow, so this is what it's like not having a playoff team" and how awful that is. Seems like Packer and Patriot fans are collectively having to accept that fate now at the same time after being spoiled with success for decades. A lot of the younger generation isn't used to seeing them struggle this way and don't know how to handle it or react yet. I'm sure they'll figure it out again soon (though being a Lions fan, I'll hope it isn't too soon of course), it's a franchise that never is content with being down too long.
Tom, I am so so sorry. My QBs throughout the first 3 weeks on fantasy were Burrow and Ridder (bc I’m from Ohio, so UC and Bengals)… I traded for Love last week since both of my guys were playing bad. This week, I got rid of Burrow and Ridder and obtained Dobbs and Lamar. They both went on to have their first HORRIBLE games of the season while Burrow and Ridder immediately broke out. I AM A QB CURSE!!
With that being said, I’ve now traded for Geno a smith to try and curse the Seahawks this week against my Bengals
Joe Berry still having a job is kind of crazy. I remember him coordinating the 0-16 Lions defense, it was a train wreck.
Tom Grossi, you are someone who always keeps it real, thank you for that. I agree with you on Matt LaFleur. He has the team unprepared in primetime games lately.
As a long time packers fan it definitely sucks to see that this is how things are going, sure Rodgers didn't do well in his first few seasons and maybe we can see the same with Love. But as it stands the inexperience isn't just with one or two players, but it feels like it's for the entire team. That is often times the gamble you make when having a young team. As for this loss it pains me in 2 ways, being a Packers fan and Sub Chargers fan this felt like a double loss because the Raiders are divisional rivals to the Chargers but then again Chargers fans rarely have any expectations. Which is why when the Packers face off against the Chargers, despite me loving both teams and me being more a Packers fan, i might have to go for the Chargers just for the simple fact that at this rate i don't see the Packers really going far. So at least i can't be disappointed in that game. Never had much expectations going into the season but it's still frustrating to see this happening. Because now the question feels less of "is Jordan Love the guy" and more "What is this team doing with him?" But it's safe to say that if we lose to the Broncos, it will be panic time for the Packers. As well as a serious wake up call which i doubt will wake up the Packers.
But i 100% agree about the team not helping Love, and with how the team is performing it's very hard to tell what's in the future.
For all those that are saying AR first year starting was not good…….complete % 64……yards over 4000…TD 28 …INT 13…….wins 6…………and it was obvious he had the “IT” factor……..JL is a great kid, but I just don’t see the “IT”--hope I’m wrong but I doubt it.