SWING DANCE HISTORY - East Coast Swing vs. West Coast Swing
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video, we're discussing the differences between East Coast Swing and West Coast Swing. This swing dance history lesson is a must-watch for anyone interested in learning about the history of this popular dance form!
East Coast Swing and West Coast Swing are two of the most popular swing dance styles in the world. However, they have different roots and evolved into their own unique styles over time. This swing dance history lesson will help you understand the history and origins of these two styles of swing dancing!
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Great insight thanks, this is a fantastic little bundle of history, illustration, musicality -- really super great. I don't like WCS but I appreciate your insight as I'm trying to move from Salsa into Lindy Hop.
Thank you! Good luck in your transition Lindy hip looks super fun!
thanks for the great class! i looked this up after watching the "safe & sound" video by capitol cities. anyhow, i'm appreciative!
Super happy you enjoyed. We had fun with this. Let me know if you have any questions! -Brian
About to sign up for a beginners swing class and wanted to learn the difference between EC and WC swing. Still haven’t decided, but the video definitely clarified a lot! Thank you!
Congrats!!! Please let us know if we can help.
We have lots of great videos on the basics - I can point you to the best one.
Here is a quick updated video we did on WCS vs ECS
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Brian
It's important to contextualize the Lindy Hop as a Black American social dance. It's not that it's unstructured, it's that it is an improvisational form that emerges and evolves in the moment. The codification, whitewashing, and commercialization of the Lindy Hop is what lead to the style that we know as Swing.
Very informative. Thanks for the video
Glad you enjoyed. please let us know if you ever have any questions! -Brian
So intresting!))
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice job
Thanks my man
Great video! I wish "salsa" dancers can listen to this so they can understand that the ballroom chain studios are not the authority on what a dance should be. They have almost obliterated traditional salsa dancing and replaced it with re-packaged, re-counted and smartly marketed mambo to sell classes. It has wiped out the real dance which was birthed on then streets, not in studios. Dance should be organic and evolve with music and new styles birthed. I think you just converted me to West Coast Swing!
We have found that dances like salsa and wcs will also have surges. I don’t think that ballroom studios can completely get rid of a dance that is so big.
@@WestCoastSwingOnline You would think, but 40 years of promoting free lessons in clubs as well as teaching young people in the schools (including those students from PR, DR etc) has pretty much wiped it out in the US. There are a few places left, but very few.
"wiped out the real dance" ?? Pretty ignorant of you to assume that salsa is not "danced on the streets anymore". Salsa is massively popular all over the world, especially in latin america. And certainly not "dominated by ballroom chain studios". This is such a weird conspiracy.
The fact of the matter is dance cannot both be "cultural" & "non-standard". Those two concepts are in fundamental opposition to one another. In order for something to evolve, especially involving 2 or more people, it must have a starting point of mutual comprehension & standards. An additional aspect is that "culture" is not "culture" if it is not at least somewhat-standardized. Just one guy doing something randomly is not culture. People teaching just accelerates cultural propagation.
A counter-point as to why I personally prefer Salsa over WCS (having tried WCS first & having been very dissatisfied) is that WCS seems incredibly *inorganic* imo. If it has "evolved" with the music, it's only done so in a very laggard fashion; it entirely lacks the kind of *rich* co-evolution, between musicians & dancers, which still drives Salsa today. There was a lot of Katy Perry & such at the WCS events I went to. Do you really think Katy Perry is anywhere near as in-tune with WCS dance styles than Salsa bands are with Salsa dancers, who they often see dancing in front of them before their very eyes? I mean also Salsa has polyrhythm which is just, mmm, butter for the soul.
As for the ballroom studios, all they're doing is trying to build a culture (ie a *mutual understanding*) where there currently isn't one. America has/had no Salsa tradition! It's a bunch of gringos. I can assure you from very first-hand experience "big ballroom" has not taken-over or "wiped out", as you hyperbolically put it, salsa in Latin America, where the kind of structured instruction isn't necessary. Ballroom didn't wipe anything out, it filled a void.
Again, things have to be partially standardized for improvisation to even be possible. It's the same with any kind of communication, of which dance is one. The Phrase "it takes two to Tango" is as literal as it is figurative.
WCS has lost its very essence; any kind of musical co-evolution that swing & its swing dancers used to have was lost as it tried to *follow music that wasn't following itself in turn*. And it shows. It doesn't even really swing!
@@MrRedstonefreedom Not sure anyone who says “America has/had no Salsa tradition! It's a bunch of gringos” has footing to call anyone ignorant.
I am Latina, born and raised in the United States (America existed long before the US) and grew up salsa dancing with Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Venezuelans and Colombians. We are all American.
Salsa music is always salsa music. But in terms of dance, salsa was salsa and mambo was mambo until the ballroom community blurred the line and now calls mambo “salsa.” Ask any ballroom dancer to dance salsa and then dance mambo without any music. You will see that it is the same exact step and it has completely wiped out traditional salsa in many places where it used to exist, including the United States.
I have also lived in Europe, New Zealand, Chile and currently Argentina, where one will only get the packaged ballroom version. The exception to this rule was of course the place where salsa originated like Cuba as well as other surrounding countries where it is danced like Puerto Rico, Venezuela and Colombia. But even in Cuba, I watched a Canadian ballroom dancer set up shop and start teaching the Cubans mambo calling it salsa to attract the tourists. This is what wiped out traditional salsa in New York City among Latinos. Ballroom dancers began coming into the city schools and teaching young Puerto Ricans and Dominicans mambo and calling it salsa. Very quickly, in one generation, now all those young Latinos don't know their own salsa roots. It is a travesty. I have no problem people dancing what they want as long as it doesn't take over someone else's tradition. I have no problem with people dancing mambo, just don't call it salsa…because it’s not.
To be more pedantic since you asked, the US is/has been traditionally comprised of populations with less of a cultural tradition of social dancing than Latin American countries. Especially for non-classical rhythmic structures, since those populations were likewise from areas for which classical music dominated, which tended to be much less experimental with rhythm as it was other musical elements.
Would you now agree with this? I was being glib so as now to be stuffy, and just saying "gringos don't know how to dance" as a short-hand.
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Why do you title this East Coast Swing VS (versus) West Coast Swing? Might "compared to" be more accurate because of the material in the video? The title doesn't pan out, because in fact you describe the relationship as an evolution rather than something oppositional.
Other than the title, I enjoyed the video and learned from it! Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words. The title of the video is simply based on what people type in when they search for the answer of "how WCS & ECS are similar or different" It's not at all a judgment of which is better or worse. Hope that helps people understand the method to the madness :-)
I am simply impressed by your exceptional ability to somehow find an issue with what I thought was a universally-understood term, so fundamental & commonly used in our language, of "vs". The weird thing is, you write fairly eloquently, so I am really doubting as to whether you've genuinely never realized the many uses of "vs" to announce/title/signpost *distinctions* and *comparisons* , or are just trolling.
What I'm trying to say is: Are you truly unaware that the most common abbreviation of the phrase "compared to" is "vs"?
3/4 timing would be jive
Yeah ECS & Jive are very similar but due to the speed of the music we see some different stylistic choices. Thanks for the input! -B
@@WestCoastSwingOnline Totally agree, when I see dancers try to do their triple to a fast pace I point them toward the 3/4 time, takes that look of rushing away, and gives it some Latin styling like you also mentioned. Thanks
@@darrelllyvere9029 thanks again for sharing. We appreciate it! B