@AnimaAspect that's the beauty of the writing in BG3. You can push the companions in any direction to become either the greatest versions of themselves, or give them what they want and not what they need to give them power, but at what cost?
Gross, that's going to be a pale white cataract-filled eye in a handful of years. Let my man achieve his dreams get what he wants, and if you are worthy ascend alongside him.
@@crimansizers5840I'd rather grow old and die alongside a mortal who loves and cares and helps others (even people he doesn't like, evidenced by how he still asks if he can help you if he has really low approval) than be immortal with a god who won't lift a finger to help even his friends....
@@myheartismadeofstars Helping his friends would get him killed or worse, and put his friends in a tough spot. Did you miss that? He specifically says he will help however he can.
He ascends, he thinks he's finally become who he was meant to be; no more doubt or worry or fear to hold him back - except the greatest albatross: *"And still I'm not good enough for you?"* Gale's insecurity isn't alleviated at all if he ascends and it's heartbreaking to know it will consume him, mortal or no.
"I didn't fall in love with ambition, you twerp. I fell in love with dorky jokes, with magic exposition, hopelessly romantic gestures, a love of animals, and a willingness to see the best in anyone. I think what I fell in love with died six months ago."
This ending is so sad. He gained power, but lost his humanity. If we think about what happened with Mystra, it's likely that gods cannot even love like mortals do. The only god that shows any kind of humanity is Withers /Jergal and that's because he gave up the majority of his power. His design is so interesting tho! His body lost all it's colour, it's just plain grey. And the lightning look like cracks in his skin
And even then, it's ultimately in service of his role as scribe of the dead and to punish the risen three that he gave his power to for directly tampering in the realm of the living. Gods simply ARE the thing they reside over, the only god that could ever truely love would be a God of Love and even then it'd be ultimately an unhealthy love as it'd not be tempered by humanity, by loss, by pain. It'd just be love for loves sake, just like all the gods.
His design is extra interesting since, theoretically, he DECIDED to look this way. Gods can shapeshift and transform -- sure, Gale is a lesser god at this point (though his domain gives him a very good chance of growing his power... I like to headcanon him having a larger plan and continuing to try to gain more and more power and conquer other domains, first over Mystra, and then over Ao himself if those rumors about Mystra having the potential to be an overgoddess are true), but I'd assume he'd have access to that relatively simple power. He chooses not only to continue carrying the orb's scar (probably takes pride in it now, which is fair), but to look less human overall, even to his friends and lover. He ironically looks even less human than Mystra. And I like how you point out his skin is gray -- I didn't think of it because I'd call his skin silver, which reminds me of riches and success (you could also make a connection about how him becoming the God of Ambition would have been his _second_ choice behind being God of Magic, aka he earned silver), but you're right, he did lose all his color and warmth. He presents himself as some grandiose thing, but he lost a lot of what made him... him. And he doesn't even seem to realize how much he's lost at all, only how much he's gained. Another commenter pointed out he didn't even really overcome one of his biggest insecurities: "I'm still not enough for you."
@@justinscott1315 Nah, not in this game but there ARE DND gods that love and care. Oddly enough, some even in the Dark Seladrine. Vhaerun is active in his followers lives, more than most gods, and cares more than most gods even though he's typically chaotic evil. And Eilistraee also actually cares about her followers.
@@user-zs2io8cg7c Mystra lovesand cares, loved and cared. The game is just full of bullshit. Writers turned the literal cruel monster into a sweet patoot that loves children. Oh my, does he adores children,especially granted he literally engineered the uplift of Dead Three, which exactly caused the death of countless men women and children. He was a god of murder tyranny and death. Ofc he have given away his throne JUST because he was tired. So, so tired that he remained an...Advisor to any death god. Its he who brainwashed Kelemvor into thinking he has to reject humanity lol
Ascended Astarion raves about becoming Cazador 2.0 and creating a nightmarish vampire dystopia. Ascended Gale can be a prick (his attitude seems to vary depending on the choices you make and dialogue options), but ultimately remains a benefactor toward the mortals of Faerun as a whole. They are not the same. Even IF Gale is rude, pompous, arrogant, etc etc, he's an actual god with beneficial intentions and the willingness to use his godly powers directly to help the material plane, which is already leaps and bounds ahead of Mystra or Tyr and entire miles ahead of the other ascended gods like Bane, Myrkul, or Bhaal. There's already way too many walking nightmares in the pantheon of Faerun, even a hardcore Neutral Gale is a net improvement.
@@Lardo137 Suuuure...but as the *God* of Ambition, he will also reward and empower mortals who will have negative consequences upon The Forgotten Realms. He says as much.
It might not be his good ending, but it definitely fits with my power hungry barbarian who became a mondflayer the second she could. Power couple goals... I suppose?
This game gives a clear message that sometimes what we believe is the best for us could also be the worst all the same. Take Gale and Astarion, for example.
Gale, Astarion, Shadowheart and Lae'zel are all possible to corrupt or aid (Lae'zel can be convinced to stay loyal to Vlaakith and presumably gets absorbed by her in her ending). That's 4 out of the main 6. It is a main story element, they are all on the "wrong" path from the start, you are the link in a troubled party that either helps them defeat their demons or feeds into them. The only people that you can't corrupt are Wyll and Karlach (you can still ruin their lives lol, but you can't convince them to become evil the same way you can convince the others) and that is because they are very strictly good aligned. Anybody that falls into the neutral or evil category have selfish or blindly zealous desires and will be affected greatly by your choices.
The manipulation and power hunger was showing a lot in this scene... Him saying "I achieved everything we hoped I would, and still I'm not good enough for you," was so painful to hear. He was always good enough, he wasn't doing it for us, he was doing it for himself, because he wanted that power. And now he chooses that power over us
In this ending gale is literally stuck trying to one up mystra for the rest of his eternity instead of healing and moving on. Ambition stands for many things as vague as it is
Ascending any of the characters brings out the worst in all of them. Gale's ego inflates to literal Godhood. Astarion becomes the relentless abuser. Lae'Zel becomes a thoughtless, souless follower of Vlaakith. Shadowheart becomes the edgelord she so desperately wants to be... Ascending the characters who seek it always ends badly for them. It makes their worst traits, their primary traits. Gale at least, still has "good" in him a little. He's just a Neutral God now. Ambition is dangerous if not tempered with compasison and prudence. Ascending someone like Karlach would balance him out I think.
LOVE your videos! Thank you! (Spoiler warning) I got the god-Gale ending even after I thought I convinced him he was enough on the boat, and with a DC30 check before the brain. Well, in the end, he didn't invite me to godhood, but instead told me it's a bad idea for gods and mortals to be in love, and got the, "I'll settle for a kiss/hug" ending... then got ELECTROCUTED... Wow that hurt. I couldn't finish the epilogue ending. I went back to an old save and saw him sacrifice himself, and he was like, "I can see why I loved you" after trying to kiss/hug his projection. Again, I couldn't bear to go back to finish the epilogue party after that playthrough. So I lost him, either way. Nor could I kiss him or hug him--neither in his death or immortality. In my mind, with either ending, my Tav's story ended there. My Tav lived for love, fought for love, lost it, and settled for a quiet simple life of obscurity, losing all ambition. You were always enough, Gale.
It can be tricky depending on the order you do the scenes in with the book and his audience with Mystra, and what you say to him around those events outside of the boat scene- I didn't realise how subtle and complex it was on my first playthrough (I accidentally chose options that leaned towards the crown and had an attitude towards Mystra, so telling him he was enough wasn't actually, well, enough), so he left me at the end, *and* that was before we even had the epilogue party, so I couldn't even have a conversation afterwards. I think that persuasion roll might be bugged too, but I'm not sure. If you're still having trouble, google "Reddit basic guide to Gale endings" and you should find a post with all the steps to help you achieve whichever ending you desire. 💜
@@indiefaerie When Gale is about to meet with Mystra, I always tell him not to give anything away, and just hear her out. I've never had him die or turn god.
@@AliceLupin1 it depends on what else you say before that as well- the dialogue when you hand him the book is nuanced, and certain responses are crown-leaning even if they don't seem like it, as well as the conversation with Elminster. So you probably chose enough anti-crown responses in those other conversations that your dialogue choice before meeting with Mystra didn't push him in the other direction. The reddit post about Gale's endings shows all the conversation paths and what they lead to :)
Ascended Gale is so painful to watch... Withers always had it right; to ascend is to be consumed ⚰️ Nothing of the man but his ambition and insecurities remain
The difference is, he can overcome any insecurities as a god. We can only hope he's a good enough of a god to found a decent religion and weed out those whose ambitions would harm others.
Ambition can warp people, push them to forget who they are in order to get what they want. In that sense Ascended Gale really is the incarnation of Ambition.
"i have become ambition incarnate" yeah bro, thats the problem, Gale was not "ambition incarnate", he was a MORTAL like everyone else. You are a mix of a fragment of a part of his personality, mostly his ambition and the conception of ambition itself.. You are not Gale.
„I achieved everything we hoped I would and still I’m not good enough for you”. Ehh, Gale, yes you were this nerdy, sometimes awkward guy with deadly bomb in his chest and absolutely awful pick up lines, yes I didn’t gave a damn about you in my first playthrough and hated you in second AND YET somehow you managed not just to make me absolutely fall for you in my third game but you became my most beloved romance option (man, you kicked Astarion from the first place, that’s a hudge achievment) and all of that happened WITHOUT GODLY POWER. This normal, nerdy guy was already enough, with or without magic (and that comes from someone who almost always is a sorcerer - a class for whitch magic is the most important thing ever) 🤷
Ascended Astarion: Wants to be free from enslavement, becomes Cazador 2.0 God Gale: Stuck as insecure and bitter at Mystra for the rest of eternity. Vlaakith Lae'zel and DJ Shadowheart: Stuck as indoctrinated and brainwashed to someone who would abandon them at the first opportunity. Wyll(?): Letting him be pet to Mizora meant he's a grand duke but a slave to evil/monster he swore to slay. Karlach: The only good ending she has is a big "maybe" of modifying her engine heart.
I tried to get this ending last playthrough, but Gale was way too understanding of my character's needs and wants. (I had a continuation story idea, dammit! Now I'll have to completely reimagine what happened after the battle against the Absolute).
Ambition incarnate. Ambition untempered by motivation. Ambition for its own sake, wanting more past any and all reason. Though conversely, this would be a dope lead up to a wizard war where some side with Mystra in a "power should have limits" sense and others side with Gale in a "boundaries exist to be pushed" sense. Moral complexity! Power should have limits, some things shouldn't be tampered with, but who gets to set those rules? New discoveries are important to the progression of society, but unchecked ambition leads to self destruction at best, and everybody-destruction at gale-you-dipshit-you-still-have-the-bomb-scar. Gale's story is the quintessential wizard story. Young wizard thinks he's hot shit, people tell him "hey don't do this, it's dumb", young wizard is like "Pffffff, I'm so awesome, I can handle it", finds out no he can't. Then there's three paths: one, he dies, two, he finds his limits and probably has some major regrets for the rest of his life, or three...he decides rules don't apply to him because he's special. He's not going to be a kind god.
He still think he's not worthy? HE IS WORTHY BEFORE. Before this god thing that change him. Also prop to his VA. I love that it is slightly change the way he speaks. From a bit silly and lively to this monotone voice of him.
The only reason, in my opinion, to ascend Gale is if you’re romancing him with spawn Astarion. I mean, God of Ambition Gale is not my favorite, but he is tailor made for Astarion. Plus if you do this, Astarion can finally see the sun again and live in peace forever (as he should).
You've failed to become ANY of what we'd hoped you would, Gale. You specifically promised you WOULDN'T become a god, because you knew better than anyone that all gods are like... THIS!
Love the writing here that Gale's biggest hangup - his insecurity about not being enough - only gets heightened if you let him go through with the ascension he thinks he has to do.
I think, of Gale's three endings, this is the lesser of two evils. It is SO MUCH harder to watch him sacrifice himself and see his image at the reunion party than this, but I was -- and still am -- haunted by this ending. It was the first of his that I got, and started an entire second playthrough just to try and get the professor ending he DESERVES!
Barely… Anyone who’s lived with a narcissistic parent can tell you that they don’t need to "hurt" anyone to be devastating. (To be clear, I do think Gale's full of himself during most of the game, but I don’t think he’s a DSM-defined narcissist unless Ascended-Astarion, too.)
Ambition is a good thing it helps you strive for a goal to become better at or achieve something that you had always wanted but it can also be a dangerous path where if your ego is not kept in check and you understand that maybe what your striving for is maybe something you want but you don’t necessarily need and you should be content with what you have Gale is a ambitious man that keeps striving to be better and even though as a god he is at the peak of what he wanted he no longer is the man we loved throughout our journey this is not Gale Dakerious but Gale of Waterdeep in full form
I mean yeah this is a bad ending, but if you ascend with him don’t think it’s that bad. Think he’ll be happy as long as he’s with the person he loves. Sure it’s exemplifies some of his worst qualities but Gales worst traits are still okay in my book.
If you ascend with him, he has a counterbalance that he needs. To constantly remind him of something he could do better, and to remind him of who they fell in love with. Or at least be power couple of doom. The point is that he has somewhere to look that's not Mystra.
The fsct that he could only love you if you were a God shows he can no longer feel like Morrals do. Nor love like one. A god is a being made of admarasion to be admired is not the same as to be loved.
Imma be real, I know everyone views god Gale as a bad thing, but Im neutral. I feel like God Gale is just Gale x10, and much like the original Gale, he needs someone who will both support him, and temper him when his ambition goes out of bounds. And while Im sure there are those who say "How can you temper the God of Ambitions ambition?" and to that I say, 1. We'll be Gods alongside him, 2. We'll be his lover,closest ally, and the one person he'd defy the gods for; meaning we'll also be the person he turns to for counsel, kinda like a Pantheon. Regardless, I do see the "ick" factor. Gales least redeeming quality is his cockiness, his godhood doesnt make it any better, it just supplies him with the power to make most of those ambitions a reality. 'Mystras Chosen' Gale is a more humbled Gale, which is more endearing
I love it, in BG3 if you give a character what he wants he will always become the worst version of himself and become what he hates the most. In Astarion's case he despises what his master did to him, but if he ascends he becomes someone equal to or worse than him. If you let Shadow Hearth follow Shar's path she will basically lose all of her emotions and end up letting the fanatical side of her take over. If you let Gale become a God he will become so egotistical that he will look down on others.
@@segiraldovi Because what they want isn't actually what they need, but they don't realize it. They want what they want for the wrong reasons (to fill an emotional void, to feel adequate, to avoid leaving their comfort zones, etc.), so giving them what they want is just hindering their path to healing and encouraging them to become worse people (or ignore opportunities to improve as a person) by enabling their self-destructive behavior. To add onto your examples, if you encourage Lae'zel's blind faith in Vlaakith (for example kill Voss when he shows up after you complete the Créche area), Lae'zel remains a "typical Githyanki warrior". NOT changing is the worst version of her. Also, a grim ending is waiting for her at the end of the game. You learn early on that she fears being insignificant more than even ceremorphosis and that's exactly what happens if she ascends. She becomes just another Gith Vlaakith consumed and joins a horde of mindless husks. Idk what is more insignificant than that. By the way, if you romance Gale, in the Act 3 boat scene he tells you he wants to become a god to be better than them - because he is upset by the way Mystra didn't help him with the orb, left him to his fate and later discarded him by putting him on a suicide mission. (Of course, another big reason is not feeling "enough" as a mortal.) But if you encourage him to reforge the crown and ascend to divinity, he will become a glorified cheerleader who isn't allowed to do anything proactive by Ao, which is what he hated in the Gods. He will make an exception and bend the rules for his partner, but he won't help his friends who helped him get there to begin with. And even if you're God Gale's partner, you will have to spend 6 months all alone because Gale is in Elysium. God Gale is a pretty lonely ending in general, it's the ending where he never learns he is "enough" just by existing, drives away everyone who loved him as he was, and only ever interacts with people who want something from him (people pray to the gods because they want something from them, no?), confirming Gale's insecurities that he only "matters" when he does something of value to someone else.
I do wish this is cannon event for Gale in the next games.Yes,this ending is not sweet as the proffessor one but this one has much more potential.Also would like to play a cleric for god of ambition,he is a perfect god for a human cleric.
Realistically every demi-power, quasi-god up to intermediate deity would just hunt Gale down to take his portfolio. Normally fresh "godlings" have at least some major powers, their former patrons most likely, to safeguard them. Or they are given a place in pantheon. But I can't see Mystra protecting Gale and even less that other good or neutral deities would interfere. Lolth would absolutely love to have ambition as portfolio, has history of killing smaller gods, and due to her unique status as demon/goddess, is not beholden to rules Ao has given to most deities. So I'd say Gale ends up in Demonweb Pits or Astral Sea as god corpse very quickly.
I mean, Tempus managed it when you think he was just a fledgling who managed to defeat the former god of war, and decided to flex by keeping them around.
I feel like people comparing A.Gale to A.Astarion are WAY overexaggerating. It's only really a bad ending cuz the Gale we knew is gone. He isn't our Gale anymore, and while that's bad for us, that isn't necessarily bad overall. Ao would not have let him ascend if he wasn't ultimately beneficial to the balance of Faerun. He's now a pawn in a much larger picture than us. A. Astarion is just a flat out monster.
BG3 despite it’s variety of choices doesn’t have many moral dilemmas: the right/good route is usually very obvious. Not allowing Gale to ascend was one of these easy choices
I can't see him like this. I didn't finish the game because I'm afraid of him becoming a god, I'm playing for the first time and I'm not sure if I made the right decisions. I don't want Gale stop being Gale 😞
God Gale is so goofy I can cure you but I won’t What I will do is make you want the cure a little more than you did originally… Just put the godly fries in the bag Gale 💀
"Foolish to expect a mortal to understand" bro I haven't even gotten this far into the game (I'm an Astarion simp first and foremost, lol) and this has the same energy as those kids who get their cars and talk down to their friends that don't drive
I wish you could make him a god without him losing all the good aspects of him. I feel the path to godhood for him should have two endings; this one (the bad one where he becomes everything that the other gods are) and a good one where he stays similar to his mortal self and strives to fight the gods on their turf for mortals' sake.
There wasn't much that changed about him IMHO. Also, he contradicts himself all the time. One minute he says one thing, the next he doesn't like it when you agree with him lol. Gale is very smart and powerful despite the nerdy geek boy image he has, but being god of ambition is definitely something that fits him. The writers did an excellent job at this. As a side note, if you didn't want him to ascend you should've convinced him to change his mind. There are several endings to his story.
This is a good ending because, believe it or not, there are people who'd rather not limit themselves with *retaining ""humanity""* and keeping generally accepted morals. He reached what he aspired to be, achieved his goal, and became something greater. It really feels like people are scared of power, ambition, and literally bettering oneself because it is not "morally good".
Only Gale and Astarion has an ascendant form so to speak. Gale becomes a lesser god and Astariom a powerful vampire that can be underneath the sun without the parasite to aid him.
@@thespreer2142 I guess you decided that 9 months for a 100+ hour campaign is long enough for everyone. I would agree if it was somewhere like Reddit or Discord where you can have controls in place on what you see, but on this platform you'll randomly get recommended videos like this that are outside of any control.
@@BillardFromSL i got no sympathy bro. if you watch bg3 content, the algorithm is going to recommend bg3 content. not everyone is going to specially adhere to YOUR (or people like you) standards and keep “spoiler free” thumbnails/titles/etc. get off of youtube or make another account that doesn’t watch bg3 stuff. play the game.
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Oof poor gale became the very thing he hated about the gods.
Gale was always self important and exactly like the things he hated about the gods. Main reason the rest of the party dislikes him
@AnimaAspect that's the beauty of the writing in BG3. You can push the companions in any direction to become either the greatest versions of themselves, or give them what they want and not what they need to give them power, but at what cost?
@@PankoBreadcrumbs it's pretty fantastic!
Much like Karsus, so lost in his ambitions of greatness he was too blind to see where he would end up. "Gale's folly" oh the irony
@@jamesgreen9712 The ironing is delicious 🤣
Losing those warm hazel eyes of his is enough reason to talk him out of ascending.
Damn so true, beautifully said 😆
Gross, that's going to be a pale white cataract-filled eye in a handful of years. Let my man achieve his dreams get what he wants, and if you are worthy ascend alongside him.
@@crimansizers5840I'd rather grow old and die alongside a mortal who loves and cares and helps others (even people he doesn't like, evidenced by how he still asks if he can help you if he has really low approval) than be immortal with a god who won't lift a finger to help even his friends....
@@crimansizers5840They're like light up cataracts now but he's also an arsehole. Mortal Gale all the way!
@@myheartismadeofstars
Helping his friends would get him killed or worse, and put his friends in a tough spot. Did you miss that?
He specifically says he will help however he can.
“In another life…I would have really liked just doing laundry and taxes with you.”
Ah… that one hurts so much. It couldn’t be more perfect for this case. 🥀
HOW DARE YOU 😭😭😭
i cried in that scene like a baby
EEAAO
The laundry fine but the taxes ugh disgusting absolutely not
Gale: becomes god for 3 minutes
“Those freaking mortals!”
God Gale is like people who go to France for a week and come back like, "How you say, ze baguette?"
I mean he has a bark when you click on him from the start of the game that is literally "what fools those mortals are".
Fucking morties
@@pinnacleevolution1634To be fair, he says that like he's quoting a book or something
@@ARoseRisen please explain
Gale went from opening almost every conversation with "What can I do to help?" To the literal god of "Do it yourself and give me the credit"....
God of self help 😂
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 Literally worse than self-help books and mentors, those at least spout something
He ascends, he thinks he's finally become who he was meant to be; no more doubt or worry or fear to hold him back - except the greatest albatross:
*"And still I'm not good enough for you?"*
Gale's insecurity isn't alleviated at all if he ascends and it's heartbreaking to know it will consume him, mortal or no.
EXTREMELY good point, jesus that's sad.
Astarion 🤝Gale
"who needs therapy when you have p o w e r"
I’M THE ALBATROSS ACROSS YOUR CLAVICLE!
@@urgae9125 *dumps all of loot on karlach*
*CLAP* HAHAH, ENJOY
really reminds me of what becomes of astarion if he ascends
Still not good enough implies he wasn't good enough before. He was. Now he isn't.
“…and still…I’m not good enough for you.”
“You were always enough. You were everything.”
If only we could have said that...
🥺🥹
@@darkwarrior5149yeah its ridiculous that we dont have the option
@@WhyRUclipsWhy well, even then, despite all the choices we can make, not every one was able to make the cut. Happens
One would expect the "god of ambition" to take that as a challenge and find a way to get even better.
“ I was a fool for expecting a mortal to understand “ Gale 6 months ago you were mortal too sit down buddy
"I didn't fall in love with ambition, you twerp. I fell in love with dorky jokes, with magic exposition, hopelessly romantic gestures, a love of animals, and a willingness to see the best in anyone. I think what I fell in love with died six months ago."
This ending is so sad. He gained power, but lost his humanity. If we think about what happened with Mystra, it's likely that gods cannot even love like mortals do. The only god that shows any kind of humanity is Withers /Jergal and that's because he gave up the majority of his power.
His design is so interesting tho! His body lost all it's colour, it's just plain grey. And the lightning look like cracks in his skin
And even then, it's ultimately in service of his role as scribe of the dead and to punish the risen three that he gave his power to for directly tampering in the realm of the living. Gods simply ARE the thing they reside over, the only god that could ever truely love would be a God of Love and even then it'd be ultimately an unhealthy love as it'd not be tempered by humanity, by loss, by pain. It'd just be love for loves sake, just like all the gods.
His design is extra interesting since, theoretically, he DECIDED to look this way. Gods can shapeshift and transform -- sure, Gale is a lesser god at this point (though his domain gives him a very good chance of growing his power... I like to headcanon him having a larger plan and continuing to try to gain more and more power and conquer other domains, first over Mystra, and then over Ao himself if those rumors about Mystra having the potential to be an overgoddess are true), but I'd assume he'd have access to that relatively simple power.
He chooses not only to continue carrying the orb's scar (probably takes pride in it now, which is fair), but to look less human overall, even to his friends and lover. He ironically looks even less human than Mystra. And I like how you point out his skin is gray -- I didn't think of it because I'd call his skin silver, which reminds me of riches and success (you could also make a connection about how him becoming the God of Ambition would have been his _second_ choice behind being God of Magic, aka he earned silver), but you're right, he did lose all his color and warmth. He presents himself as some grandiose thing, but he lost a lot of what made him... him.
And he doesn't even seem to realize how much he's lost at all, only how much he's gained. Another commenter pointed out he didn't even really overcome one of his biggest insecurities: "I'm still not enough for you."
@@justinscott1315 Nah, not in this game but there ARE DND gods that love and care. Oddly enough, some even in the Dark Seladrine. Vhaerun is active in his followers lives, more than most gods, and cares more than most gods even though he's typically chaotic evil. And Eilistraee also actually cares about her followers.
Jergal is the main villain of the setting that seek to annihilate the living and rise his kind from the dead.
@@user-zs2io8cg7c Mystra lovesand cares, loved and cared. The game is just full of bullshit.
Writers turned the literal cruel monster into a sweet patoot that loves children.
Oh my, does he adores children,especially granted he literally engineered the uplift of Dead Three, which exactly caused the death of countless men women and children. He was a god of murder tyranny and death. Ofc he have given away his throne JUST because he was tired. So, so tired that he remained an...Advisor to any death god.
Its he who brainwashed Kelemvor into thinking he has to reject humanity lol
not good enough? he's unrecognizable.
he looks like a silver gale to me. just like my dragonborn lol.
@@4Syorha personality wise, not appearance wise
@@Troll_main it could mean both. i can still see the gale in him, just more cold.
People that think this is his good ending, like Ascended Astarion, are out of their MINDS.
My point exactly
Ascended Astarion raves about becoming Cazador 2.0 and creating a nightmarish vampire dystopia. Ascended Gale can be a prick (his attitude seems to vary depending on the choices you make and dialogue options), but ultimately remains a benefactor toward the mortals of Faerun as a whole. They are not the same.
Even IF Gale is rude, pompous, arrogant, etc etc, he's an actual god with beneficial intentions and the willingness to use his godly powers directly to help the material plane, which is already leaps and bounds ahead of Mystra or Tyr and entire miles ahead of the other ascended gods like Bane, Myrkul, or Bhaal. There's already way too many walking nightmares in the pantheon of Faerun, even a hardcore Neutral Gale is a net improvement.
bro ascended astarion is a pure blood sociopath mf be talking about controlling the world n shii HOW IS THAT BETTER 💀
@@Lardo137
Suuuure...but as the *God* of Ambition, he will also reward and empower mortals who will have negative consequences upon The Forgotten Realms. He says as much.
It might not be his good ending, but it definitely fits with my power hungry barbarian who became a mondflayer the second she could.
Power couple goals... I suppose?
😭 i would have cried immediately in front of him if i have this, i hate this ending for my sweet Gale
This game gives a clear message that sometimes what we believe is the best for us could also be the worst all the same. Take Gale and Astarion, for example.
Shadowheart is another great example.
Gale, Astarion, Shadowheart and Lae'zel are all possible to corrupt or aid (Lae'zel can be convinced to stay loyal to Vlaakith and presumably gets absorbed by her in her ending). That's 4 out of the main 6. It is a main story element, they are all on the "wrong" path from the start, you are the link in a troubled party that either helps them defeat their demons or feeds into them. The only people that you can't corrupt are Wyll and Karlach (you can still ruin their lives lol, but you can't convince them to become evil the same way you can convince the others) and that is because they are very strictly good aligned. Anybody that falls into the neutral or evil category have selfish or blindly zealous desires and will be affected greatly by your choices.
Sometimes it's not better to get what you want, but rather better to get what you need.
The manipulation and power hunger was showing a lot in this scene... Him saying "I achieved everything we hoped I would, and still I'm not good enough for you," was so painful to hear. He was always good enough, he wasn't doing it for us, he was doing it for himself, because he wanted that power. And now he chooses that power over us
In this ending gale is literally stuck trying to one up mystra for the rest of his eternity instead of healing and moving on. Ambition stands for many things as vague as it is
Ascending any of the characters brings out the worst in all of them.
Gale's ego inflates to literal Godhood.
Astarion becomes the relentless abuser.
Lae'Zel becomes a thoughtless, souless follower of Vlaakith.
Shadowheart becomes the edgelord she so desperately wants to be...
Ascending the characters who seek it always ends badly for them. It makes their worst traits, their primary traits.
Gale at least, still has "good" in him a little. He's just a Neutral God now. Ambition is dangerous if not tempered with compasison and prudence. Ascending someone like Karlach would balance him out I think.
@thehippie3610
its interesting that the only one who would have a good Ascending is Karlach, because she wants control back in life to live her life.
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(Spoiler warning) I got the god-Gale ending even after I thought I convinced him he was enough on the boat, and with a DC30 check before the brain. Well, in the end, he didn't invite me to godhood, but instead told me it's a bad idea for gods and mortals to be in love, and got the, "I'll settle for a kiss/hug" ending... then got ELECTROCUTED... Wow that hurt. I couldn't finish the epilogue ending.
I went back to an old save and saw him sacrifice himself, and he was like, "I can see why I loved you" after trying to kiss/hug his projection. Again, I couldn't bear to go back to finish the epilogue party after that playthrough.
So I lost him, either way. Nor could I kiss him or hug him--neither in his death or immortality.
In my mind, with either ending, my Tav's story ended there. My Tav lived for love, fought for love, lost it, and settled for a quiet simple life of obscurity, losing all ambition.
You were always enough, Gale.
It can be tricky depending on the order you do the scenes in with the book and his audience with Mystra, and what you say to him around those events outside of the boat scene- I didn't realise how subtle and complex it was on my first playthrough (I accidentally chose options that leaned towards the crown and had an attitude towards Mystra, so telling him he was enough wasn't actually, well, enough), so he left me at the end, *and* that was before we even had the epilogue party, so I couldn't even have a conversation afterwards.
I think that persuasion roll might be bugged too, but I'm not sure.
If you're still having trouble, google "Reddit basic guide to Gale endings" and you should find a post with all the steps to help you achieve whichever ending you desire. 💜
@@indiefaerie When Gale is about to meet with Mystra, I always tell him not to give anything away, and just hear her out. I've never had him die or turn god.
@@AliceLupin1 it depends on what else you say before that as well- the dialogue when you hand him the book is nuanced, and certain responses are crown-leaning even if they don't seem like it, as well as the conversation with Elminster. So you probably chose enough anti-crown responses in those other conversations that your dialogue choice before meeting with Mystra didn't push him in the other direction. The reddit post about Gale's endings shows all the conversation paths and what they lead to :)
@@indiefaerie Oh, I know. I was just referencing the meeting with Mystra.
Gale is Emboldened by the flame of Ambition! 🔥 Morgott Disapproves!
well im glad I beat Morgott. Gale put his ambitions... to rest. hehe.
😂😂
@@Spartan117210 "Have it written on Gale's meter grave. He was felled by the last of all kings"
Ascended Gale is so painful to watch... Withers always had it right; to ascend is to be consumed ⚰️ Nothing of the man but his ambition and insecurities remain
The difference is, he can overcome any insecurities as a god. We can only hope he's a good enough of a god to found a decent religion and weed out those whose ambitions would harm others.
Ambition can warp people, push them to forget who they are in order to get what they want. In that sense Ascended Gale really is the incarnation of Ambition.
"i have become ambition incarnate"
yeah bro, thats the problem, Gale was not "ambition incarnate", he was a MORTAL like everyone else. You are a mix of a fragment of a part of his personality, mostly his ambition and the conception of ambition itself.. You are not Gale.
„I achieved everything we hoped I would and still I’m not good enough for you”.
Ehh, Gale, yes you were this nerdy, sometimes awkward guy with deadly bomb in his chest and absolutely awful pick up lines, yes I didn’t gave a damn about you in my first playthrough and hated you in second AND YET somehow you managed not just to make me absolutely fall for you in my third game but you became my most beloved romance option (man, you kicked Astarion from the first place, that’s a hudge achievment) and all of that happened WITHOUT GODLY POWER. This normal, nerdy guy was already enough, with or without magic (and that comes from someone who almost always is a sorcerer - a class for whitch magic is the most important thing ever) 🤷
Ascended Astarion: Wants to be free from enslavement, becomes Cazador 2.0
God Gale: Stuck as insecure and bitter at Mystra for the rest of eternity.
Vlaakith Lae'zel and DJ Shadowheart: Stuck as indoctrinated and brainwashed to someone who would abandon them at the first opportunity.
Wyll(?): Letting him be pet to Mizora meant he's a grand duke but a slave to evil/monster he swore to slay.
Karlach: The only good ending she has is a big "maybe" of modifying her engine heart.
I tried to get this ending last playthrough, but Gale was way too understanding of my character's needs and wants. (I had a continuation story idea, dammit! Now I'll have to completely reimagine what happened after the battle against the Absolute).
Ambition incarnate. Ambition untempered by motivation. Ambition for its own sake, wanting more past any and all reason.
Though conversely, this would be a dope lead up to a wizard war where some side with Mystra in a "power should have limits" sense and others side with Gale in a "boundaries exist to be pushed" sense. Moral complexity! Power should have limits, some things shouldn't be tampered with, but who gets to set those rules? New discoveries are important to the progression of society, but unchecked ambition leads to self destruction at best, and everybody-destruction at gale-you-dipshit-you-still-have-the-bomb-scar.
Gale's story is the quintessential wizard story. Young wizard thinks he's hot shit, people tell him "hey don't do this, it's dumb", young wizard is like "Pffffff, I'm so awesome, I can handle it", finds out no he can't. Then there's three paths: one, he dies, two, he finds his limits and probably has some major regrets for the rest of his life, or three...he decides rules don't apply to him because he's special.
He's not going to be a kind god.
He still think he's not worthy? HE IS WORTHY BEFORE. Before this god thing that change him. Also prop to his VA. I love that it is slightly change the way he speaks. From a bit silly and lively to this monotone voice of him.
The only reason, in my opinion, to ascend Gale is if you’re romancing him with spawn Astarion. I mean, God of Ambition Gale is not my favorite, but he is tailor made for Astarion. Plus if you do this, Astarion can finally see the sun again and live in peace forever (as he should).
That is so sad......😢
You've failed to become ANY of what we'd hoped you would, Gale. You specifically promised you WOULDN'T become a god, because you knew better than anyone that all gods are like... THIS!
Tav honestly has no right to say that to him after encouraging him to go this route.
I mean they meant well so I think he could.
Love the writing here that Gale's biggest hangup - his insecurity about not being enough - only gets heightened if you let him go through with the ascension he thinks he has to do.
I think, of Gale's three endings, this is the lesser of two evils. It is SO MUCH harder to watch him sacrifice himself and see his image at the reunion party than this, but I was -- and still am -- haunted by this ending. It was the first of his that I got, and started an entire second playthrough just to try and get the professor ending he DESERVES!
Too much ambition to be a lowly professor
I mean Gale only sacrifices himself if you tell him to why did you do that if you wanted him to live?
@@gerstein03 I haven't done it personally. I've just seen what happens when other people do it.
At least it’s better than Ascended Astarion
True, at least Ascended Gale isn’t hurting anyone
Barely… Anyone who’s lived with a narcissistic parent can tell you that they don’t need to "hurt" anyone to be devastating. (To be clear, I do think Gale's full of himself during most of the game, but I don’t think he’s a DSM-defined narcissist unless Ascended-Astarion, too.)
def two different flavors of abusive behavior (+just as bad as each other)
@@Zombie_g0th Agreed.
@@Zombie_g0th exactly
As the ascended Astarion, Gale became the one he hated
And he once wanted to wait for us when our sky dims...
Gale takes rejection so poorly LMAO
Ambition is a good thing it helps you strive for a goal to become better at or achieve something that you had always wanted but it can also be a dangerous path where if your ego is not kept in check and you understand that maybe what your striving for is maybe something you want but you don’t necessarily need and you should be content with what you have
Gale is a ambitious man that keeps striving to be better and even though as a god he is at the peak of what he wanted he no longer is the man we loved throughout our journey this is not Gale Dakerious but Gale of Waterdeep in full form
I mean yeah this is a bad ending, but if you ascend with him don’t think it’s that bad. Think he’ll be happy as long as he’s with the person he loves. Sure it’s exemplifies some of his worst qualities but Gales worst traits are still okay in my book.
If you ascend with him, he has a counterbalance that he needs. To constantly remind him of something he could do better, and to remind him of who they fell in love with. Or at least be power couple of doom. The point is that he has somewhere to look that's not Mystra.
God of Ambition and yet his ambition is not enough to woo the person he cares about.
he wooed some ill give him that.
That's why I will never make my beloved Gale a god.😢❤
*"You gained a bit of power and you became a turd"*
- Philosopher, entrepreneur, performance artists Trevor Phillips (paraphrased)
The fsct that he could only love you if you were a God shows he can no longer feel like Morrals do. Nor love like one.
A god is a being made of admarasion to be admired is not the same as to be loved.
Imma be real, I know everyone views god Gale as a bad thing, but Im neutral. I feel like God Gale is just Gale x10, and much like the original Gale, he needs someone who will both support him, and temper him when his ambition goes out of bounds. And while Im sure there are those who say "How can you temper the God of Ambitions ambition?" and to that I say, 1. We'll be Gods alongside him, 2. We'll be his lover,closest ally, and the one person he'd defy the gods for; meaning we'll also be the person he turns to for counsel, kinda like a Pantheon. Regardless, I do see the "ick" factor. Gales least redeeming quality is his cockiness, his godhood doesnt make it any better, it just supplies him with the power to make most of those ambitions a reality. 'Mystras Chosen' Gale is a more humbled Gale, which is more endearing
It actually HURTS to see Gale, arguably the SWEETEST man in Faerun, become this.
#notmygale
I love it, in BG3 if you give a character what he wants he will always become the worst version of himself and become what he hates the most.
In Astarion's case he despises what his master did to him, but if he ascends he becomes someone equal to or worse than him.
If you let Shadow Hearth follow Shar's path she will basically lose all of her emotions and end up letting the fanatical side of her take over.
If you let Gale become a God he will become so egotistical that he will look down on others.
@@segiraldovi Because what they want isn't actually what they need, but they don't realize it. They want what they want for the wrong reasons (to fill an emotional void, to feel adequate, to avoid leaving their comfort zones, etc.), so giving them what they want is just hindering their path to healing and encouraging them to become worse people (or ignore opportunities to improve as a person) by enabling their self-destructive behavior.
To add onto your examples, if you encourage Lae'zel's blind faith in Vlaakith (for example kill Voss when he shows up after you complete the Créche area), Lae'zel remains a "typical Githyanki warrior". NOT changing is the worst version of her.
Also, a grim ending is waiting for her at the end of the game. You learn early on that she fears being insignificant more than even ceremorphosis and that's exactly what happens if she ascends. She becomes just another Gith Vlaakith consumed and joins a horde of mindless husks. Idk what is more insignificant than that.
By the way, if you romance Gale, in the Act 3 boat scene he tells you he wants to become a god to be better than them - because he is upset by the way Mystra didn't help him with the orb, left him to his fate and later discarded him by putting him on a suicide mission. (Of course, another big reason is not feeling "enough" as a mortal.) But if you encourage him to reforge the crown and ascend to divinity, he will become a glorified cheerleader who isn't allowed to do anything proactive by Ao, which is what he hated in the Gods.
He will make an exception and bend the rules for his partner, but he won't help his friends who helped him get there to begin with. And even if you're God Gale's partner, you will have to spend 6 months all alone because Gale is in Elysium. God Gale is a pretty lonely ending in general, it's the ending where he never learns he is "enough" just by existing, drives away everyone who loved him as he was, and only ever interacts with people who want something from him (people pray to the gods because they want something from them, no?), confirming Gale's insecurities that he only "matters" when he does something of value to someone else.
i would love the option to tell him that he was always good enough for us. he just wasnt good enough for himself.
Oof. Ouch. Gut punch. 😢
That is not a good ending for Gale.
That isn’t him anymore.
he's like jc but tenfold extreme.
I've literally got tears running down my cheeks rn coz of this lol
This was the biggest heartbreak
"god of ambition" just sounds evil.
Someone call Morgott we have an ambitious bastard on our hands.
I only started the game and I'm not even romancing Gaile and that hurt my feelings.
Friendzone Gale still exists, even after all the patches 😂
did not even know this was a thing
I know he's saying things, but all I can think is: nipple.
I do wish this is cannon event for Gale in the next games.Yes,this ending is not sweet as the proffessor one but this one has much more potential.Also would like to play a cleric for god of ambition,he is a perfect god for a human cleric.
why does he have to be chromed 😭
FUTURE
It is the polar opposite of his message if you let him sacrifice himself with the orb.
Imagine gaslighting gale into finding the crown knowing hes gonna do some stupid shit and being surprised when he does stupid shit.
"I achieved everything we hoped I would and still I'm not good enough for you"
Maybe Tav is just a bit more, *ambitious*?
If anyone read Alan Moore’s run on miracleman, Gale is echoing the exact words of Mike to his wife, and suffering the exact same short sightedness
Realistically every demi-power, quasi-god up to intermediate deity would just hunt Gale down to take his portfolio.
Normally fresh "godlings" have at least some major powers, their former patrons most likely, to safeguard them. Or they are given a place in pantheon.
But I can't see Mystra protecting Gale and even less that other good or neutral deities would interfere.
Lolth would absolutely love to have ambition as portfolio, has history of killing smaller gods, and due to her unique status as demon/goddess, is not beholden to rules Ao has given to most deities.
So I'd say Gale ends up in Demonweb Pits or Astral Sea as god corpse very quickly.
I mean, Tempus managed it when you think he was just a fledgling who managed to defeat the former god of war, and decided to flex by keeping them around.
Tbh what I can’t get over God Gale is why he chose to go around showing his shiny nipples
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He was good enough as the man he was :( I didn't want a god, I want my silly mage 😭
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i hate evil gale with every fiber of my being.
Wish there was a dialogue to make it clear I'd just be taking his power and then ditching him.
This is actually so sad :C
It actually pains me to watch this. He still doesn't realize that he was already "good enough" for her when he was mortal.😢
I feel like people comparing A.Gale to A.Astarion are WAY overexaggerating. It's only really a bad ending cuz the Gale we knew is gone. He isn't our Gale anymore, and while that's bad for us, that isn't necessarily bad overall. Ao would not have let him ascend if he wasn't ultimately beneficial to the balance of Faerun. He's now a pawn in a much larger picture than us. A. Astarion is just a flat out monster.
"It was foolish to expect a mortal to understand" God of Ambition or not I'm about to prayer-slap the divitnity right out of you
Never choose Ascension for anybody.
unless you wanna experiment and see how it goes.
Yup, this is how my Gale romance ended too. Karlach BFF forever. Should have romanced her instead...
Whoa whoa whoa since when could Gale ascend?
My pregnant hormonal ass is trying so hard not to cry. My love saying such mean things 😭
I love how Gale became the gods he hated. I can consider it poor writing and the ultimate irony in his possible story
I'm in pain. 💔
BG3 despite it’s variety of choices doesn’t have many moral dilemmas: the right/good route is usually very obvious. Not allowing Gale to ascend was one of these easy choices
Can he be like this even if he was my origin character?
I can't see him like this.
I didn't finish the game because I'm afraid of him becoming a god,
I'm playing for the first time and I'm not sure if I made the right decisions. I don't want Gale stop being Gale 😞
God Gale is so goofy
I can cure you but I won’t
What I will do is make you want the cure a little more than you did originally…
Just put the godly fries in the bag Gale 💀
"Foolish to expect a mortal to understand" bro I haven't even gotten this far into the game (I'm an Astarion simp first and foremost, lol) and this has the same energy as those kids who get their cars and talk down to their friends that don't drive
I actually prefer him as a god. Dude got betrayed by his ex and doing this is just evening the odds.
I wish you could make him a god without him losing all the good aspects of him. I feel the path to godhood for him should have two endings; this one (the bad one where he becomes everything that the other gods are) and a good one where he stays similar to his mortal self and strives to fight the gods on their turf for mortals' sake.
I can't stand ascended Gale.
Know your worth King!
I heavily fucked up
How do you ascend Gale?
There wasn't much that changed about him IMHO. Also, he contradicts himself all the time. One minute he says one thing, the next he doesn't like it when you agree with him lol. Gale is very smart and powerful despite the nerdy geek boy image he has, but being god of ambition is definitely something that fits him. The writers did an excellent job at this. As a side note, if you didn't want him to ascend you should've convinced him to change his mind. There are several endings to his story.
wow gale woowwwww
How do you do this?
OOF HA HA HA ha!
I loathe God Gale so much.
This is a good ending because, believe it or not, there are people who'd rather not limit themselves with *retaining ""humanity""* and keeping generally accepted morals. He reached what he aspired to be, achieved his goal, and became something greater.
It really feels like people are scared of power, ambition, and literally bettering oneself because it is not "morally good".
Love please go to a therapist.
@@nala7829 If I'm your """love""" then you love me how I am.
Sorry, but God of Ambition is lame. Let's talk when you get a real sphere to god over.
Wait, GALE CAN ASCEND? DOES EVERYONE HAVE AN ASCENDED VERSION? does KARLACH HAVE AN ASCENSION???
Only Gale and Astarion has an ascendant form so to speak. Gale becomes a lesser god and Astariom a powerful vampire that can be underneath the sun without the parasite to aid him.
why would Karlach have an ascension ending? outside of she perhaps romanced Gale.
Nah, she's actually the only one with a Descension.
@@15thobserver Despite that, still probably the coolest ending in the game.
@@15thobservernot the only one! Wyll can descend too
Thanks for the spoiler thumbnail! 😄
dont be on the internet if you expect spoilers + the ending has been out long enough that if you havent seen it thats ur problem
@@thespreer2142 I guess you decided that 9 months for a 100+ hour campaign is long enough for everyone. I would agree if it was somewhere like Reddit or Discord where you can have controls in place on what you see, but on this platform you'll randomly get recommended videos like this that are outside of any control.
@@BillardFromSL
i got no sympathy bro. if you watch bg3 content, the algorithm is going to recommend bg3 content. not everyone is going to specially adhere to YOUR (or people like you) standards and keep “spoiler free” thumbnails/titles/etc. get off of youtube or make another account that doesn’t watch bg3 stuff. play the game.
@@thespreer2142 Snape kills Dumbledore
@@BillardFromSL
random but ok.