Really battery life depends laptop to laptop so that's realistically a better way to compare than CPU vs CPU... Though still keen to see how the Intel laptops stack up on average
@@simster2759 there are many laptops that come with same chassis but different cpu. Like the legion 5 for example. So it's really easy to use identical hardware for battery life comparisons. Last year hub did a comparison between 4800H and 10875H (or the 10750H I can't remember lol) with the exact same XMG chassis.
judging by power consumption we can already know which is better. however keep in mind that Intel system is pretty efficient at lower voltage too so for everyday tasks, battery life probably will be similar
if only the 3050 series isn't limited to just 4gb vram. entry level segment likely will still be stagnated. but budget and midrange segment will have a nice bump
@@hoangd4132 the 4gb of VRAM has been what has kept the GTX 1050 to now the 3050 back otherwise they'd have seriously enroached on the upper bracket for people that don't really care about frame rates and are more into single player story driven games
@@juhotuho10 still a win for consumer, comparable performance to amd with good availability from intel no need to buy into skylake parts that are getting outdated.
I'm ok if AMD stays on top for a little longer, intel has been anti competitive for a lot longer, 90s and 2000s with their shady deals to only sell intel or the comparable amd build had inferior parts or build for the same money. Good old Intel inside
I want Intel to be back. I've been rooting for AMD but I really just want to see them back to trading blows. When they are roughly equally matched, consumers win. This applies to AMD/NVIDIA also.
I use you guys' videos to help me sleep. Don't take this as an insult, I'm not saying your videos are boring directly or indirectly. It's the whole silent audio atmosphere, that helps me relax. Especially your voice.
I mean, most of these will end up in laptops that are probably not going to be great at cooling at normal loads. Higher power is going to add up to throttling and less performance.
The power scaling seems to be largely thanks to 10SF, so I guess we'll be waiting to see Alder Lake-S! Get some desktop 10SF processors out there finally
@@richard35791 By a bit of bottleneck you mean on CPU intensive games? or even games that utilize small cores? A bit of bottleneck on the speed of the 10750 or because of less cores? Sorry I'm not really good at these kinds of stuff but how did you determine that slight bottleneck. I would need basically two CPUs with same speed but different cores right? Like Hexacore and Octacore like 10600k and 10900k to check the FPS output right? Not really sure but correct me if I'm wrong bro
That's where the Alienware X 17 is going to eat every laptop in 2021 in performance. That laptop will have a quad fan with possible liquid metal and the i9 11th gen HK version at full capable wattage.
@@mariozamora9684 it's going to be so heavy that it'll appear to have literally eaten another laptop. The Intel reference design was 6lbs and couldn't handle the 65W tdp. Powerful, yes, heavy enough to kill a home invader with a hit on the head that surprises you, also yes.
Cute, MatLab, the only place where these seem measurably faster than Ryzen is also where Intel has most direct influence. MatLab being basically exclusively code written for Intel CPUs.
Matlab heavily uses AVX in their functions to get best possible speed. AVX is where Intel has a lead over AMD, especially now with AVX512 implemented in all Intel Willow/Sunny cove cores. Any workload with AVX 512 will see massive gains, but even AVX256 should be in theory better on Intel.
@@robertstan298 creators do that because it works sadly. Even people who hate it comment on it (to say they hate it) which drives engagement which rewards the creator. The only way out is to fund creators directly via patreon or similar
There is so much work put into this video that I'm subscribing and sharing since you already did my homework. Pretty much people should decide base on their workloads and price but seems very close. The comparison at power levels was just too good and very informative. Ryzen still ahead in technology but Intel has OEM hands in their pocket.
14:30 Ryzen 7 5800H has basically 1GHz higher base clock (3.2GHz) vs 11800H (2.4GHz), but 11800H has 50% more cache. You turn on the turbo boost and we all now who will win.
@@SubKillerI heavily recommend the Core i7-11800H. It is as fast (or a little more in one thread) as a desktop Core i7-10700K or i9-9900K. The IPC and efficiency jump is pretty big.
This is great news. Hopefully Intel will keep AMD pushing higher price/performance, and the mutual competition will benefit consumers. I just bought a Asus Zeph G15 w/ 5900HS and 3070, and I was a little worried that the Intel CPU would beat it. I'm glad to see it just appears to be well matched.
While I'm not in the market for a laptop, I'm impatiently waiting for AMD to move their APUs to RDNA2. Mostly because it would be cool as hell if they start pushing APUs with the theoretical performance of an RX580 or better (obviously memory limited).
If the apu is able to perform similar to rx580. I am happy even amd apu consume 150watt on laptop, with no dgpu and using latest cooling technique. It will be game canger on midrange area. Expect 1000$ laptop with wide range usage capabilities. 💪💪💪💪
Great review Tim, but why dont you just load each laptop with an external gpu (using the m.2 PCI-E 4x slot) to better evaluate the gamming performance in a more scientific test (less real world). Some laptops may have trouble with this method, requiring bios mod, etc..
Was waiting for this video, laptop coverage here is one of the best out there. One question though isn't the abomination that is the 11370H an i7? It is even paired with a "3070".
yeah the reviews on that one were extremely disappointing. It only connect the CPU to the GPU with 4 PCIe dedicated lanes. H35 platform should only be used with thin and light, and with a 1650/3050 level GPU, anything more and you would be bottlenicking your system.
Few more tests you could run while comparing 11th gen H35 with Xe96, 11th gen H45 with UHD, 10th gen H45 with UHD, and Ryzen with Zen2 and Zen3 cores with Vega graphics - all related to video encoding/decoding speed and quality - run a same batch of video encoding jobs using H264 and H265 software and hardware-accelerated encoding and not only measure the speed of said encodings (which you've done on the software side of options in this vid) but also resulting output file sizes (simple comparison to implement and often shows whether there are added benefits coming from the iGPU of these "SoCs" or rather if there are drawbacks to using those features) and quality (perhaps use VMAF or VQMT to compare MOS of output videos to further showcase perceived quality drops if present amongst tested solutions). Heck, add the Apple M1 chip into the mix as well, after all it's also a laptop chip now ;) and Intel themselves had an interesting campaign for PCs instead of Macs ;) This would also verify M1's quality of the outputs, cause while every tester played to the tune of Apple and has shown how fast it is especially with GPU/T2 HW acceleration, noone looked into actual output sizes or qualities... and as far as I remember from some web forums M1 outputs are pretty huge and blocky compared to X86 software encodes. Sure it'll take more time for you to process such an analysis, but maybe it's worth it to test and show more differences of the compute features of those SoCs.
Alder Lake will be the next Sandy Bridge, Golden Cove will be like 20% faster in singlethread than Willow Cove, therefore, even a bigger jump compared to Rocket Lake.
@@TabalugaDragon I think that undervolting can be applied to every single Intel CPU since Haswell 8 years ago, for a weird reason, AMD is like 8 years behind for this feature.
@@TabalugaDragon The problem is the majority of laptop manufacturers have disabled undervolting with a bios lock. You could flash an older version of a bios with a tool but there is a high chance of bricking your laptop.
@@CjqNslXUcM Wrong. You can't directly compare TDP ratings across manufacturers. AMD CPU's use about HALF as much power under full boost as their equivalent Intel parts. Thus they run WAY cooler & get HOURS more battery life.
@Daniel Vipin AMD doesn't run hotter in basically every review... AnandTech's beefy reference Intel machine was literally thermal throttling in it's stock 65W config and hit around 95C when downset to a more standard 45W. AMD's chips weren't running even CLOSE to that hot.
@Daniel Vipin Close to 90°C (aka mid-high 80's) does not equal ≈95°C. In fact those are VERY different. One is literally escaping thermal throttling by the very skin of its nutsack, the other has a good bit of room the spare.
18:00 I think you made a mistake with this benchmark. CIV 6 is a turn-based game, you only click UI elements and pan the map, there is no reason to measure the FPS in this title. This benchmark should have been measuring turn-times as this is the factor that actually impacts game experience. On large maps with many players, turns can take upwards of 30 seconds towards the end of the game, and you can end up waiting 30+ minutes during a 4-hour game.
The main issue for Intel IMO is not power efficiency, but rather price. Last time many buyers went for AMD Ryzen 4000 gaming laptops over Intel 10th gen models because of lower prices. Imagine if xx70 and xx80 GPUs are available for Ryzen 4000 models. Now Ryzen 5000 gaming laptops have more choices, with xx70 and xx80 GPUs. And still priced lower than Intel TGL-H laptops. Ryzen 5000 has less CPU supply issue unlike Ryzen 4000 (other shortages still exist, eg WIFI card - those laptops with AX200, you can guess the reason of shortage). We'll see how good is TGL-H supply later.
Zen1 and up can all operate without chipset, which is the case with all AMD notebooks. Shittel on the other hand requires chipsets since Nehalem (1st gen Core), which is their first SoC. Intel still wanting to milk consumers on the motherboard front, even when they god rid of others making intel compatible chipset in the pre 115X era.
AMD still maintains its overall small lead, but Intel has gained significantly. But it is a similar story...lightly threaded workloads go to Intel. Multi-threaded workloads will go to AMD. In gaming, Intel appears to be competitive again but I can't wait for the gaming actual gaming comparison here. But ultimately, availability and value for money will be the answer.
5900 gets it's shit pushed in gaming by the 11800H. Outperforms it even w/ the massive 3070 25w disadvantage vs the Ryzen system. CS:GO shows that, and it's pretty clear the other gaming tests are allowing the GPU to dictate more of a role.
Great Job Tim ! Hope we'll see soon a deep dive into the new generation of lanes that Intel now provides for laptops from you, specially with the new i9 11980hk. Big up from France !
Don’t forget that Ryzen 5000 mobile only has PCIE 3.0 x8. This will affect gaming performance in GPU limited games as JarodTech demonstrated on his channel.
@@Cooe. if that keeps up, great. It means AMD can't get complacent or Intel will overtake them again. Both companies will have to give the customer more, for less. 👍
Woohoo! The competition that we all need in our lives. Now hopefully it will come with some pricing wars (and not performance based slotting that NVIDIA and AMD have been doing the last couple of years).
this is really great to see since it shows that intels willow cove tiger lake is trading blows with zen 3 at productivity but matching it at gaming. Since alder lake will use the improved willlow coves (Golden cove) its exciting to see what alder lake will do against amd and if they don't fuck up with windows optimization of the big little design and have good latency than they will probably match or even beat zen 3.
Tiger Lake is better than Zen 3 in gaming, it has more clockspeed and 30% more cache, in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if the 11800H just made the i9-9900K and i7-10700K irrelevant.
@@SF-li9kh 11800H is that fast that also offers better value (i'm not counting PCIe Gen 4 support). Way better than boring Zen 3 and Rocket Lake on desktops that use 2 or 3 times more power for similar perfomance vs a laptop CPU.
The one thing I'd love to see when benchmarking is what I would call 'light multitasking'-- ie, how does your single thread-bound task scale if there's a bit of background activity going on (checking emails, background processes etc etc), I suspect we may see that temper the absolute boost window of the CPUs and give a more real world idea of single threaded performance.
only company currently making oleds in that size range is JOLED... and they're very expensive... sad days :c (even the lg monitors that were displayed at ces were reportedly JOLED panels)
i'm comparing a Lenovo Legion 5 15 with a 3060 and 5800H to a Gigabyte Aero with the 11800H and 3060, right now with current sales the Gigabyte is $100 more then the Lenovo, but the Gigabyte has the 4k OLED where the Legion 5 is a 1080p 165hz "IPS Like" screen that only covers like 70%ish of NTSC (liek 99-100% of sRGB, you know the easy one to do that even the 45% NTSC panels can do) and I can't even find a DCI-P3 coverage spec where the 4K OLED is like 99-100% coverage of all the color spaces. I really wanted to go Ryzen with my new laptop so I could finally be completely converted to Ryzen CPU's on all my systems, but I consume TONS of video content so color accurate screens are super important to me, really wish Gigabyte had a Ryzen 5000 variant of this laptop with the OLED. Anyone in comment land have any input? either way I gotta drive to a store to get it, the Gigabyte will be about half the drive time as the store selling it is closer but I gotta wait till the end of the month for it to come in if I order now where the Lenovo is instock and I could pick it up this weekend instead of next weekend.
@@Axisoflords What I meant is that with the power scaling being so good at higher wattage Intel is going to be more competitive in desktop, he said it himeslf "with 90 watts it practically evens out" so their desktop parts are going to be a lot closer.
The scaling seen here in terms of performance for power class really shows why intel made the choice to stick with 4 cores in the u class laptops. This was a very interesting video and it brings a lot of hope for alder lake to be fantastic with it's high clocks.
That gaming performance is encouraging. The laptop I'm looking at only seems to have its Intel variant slated for release in my country at the moment, so I was wondering whether I should wait for the Ryzen models to show up. For my use case, Intel seems to be the way to go.
It's finally a race again ! Hey can u guys add some desktop cpu too? I really wanna know how much I lose when using 5800H or 11800H laptop instead of 5800X or 11700K Thanks!
@@waverleyjournalise5757 Does not matter I just wanna see code compile and some games compared for systems with the same cost, like $1200 laptop vs $1200 pc with monitor
That performance/power scaling graph makes me wonder why there aren't any desktop versions yet? Seems like these 11th gen desktop cpus could be very powerful...
They can't mass produce enough 10nm chips for both the desktop and laptop market and since the laptop market is more important we ended up with rocket lake for desktop.
@@joxplay2441 do you ever have for hours the same screen showing ? We had in our company over 5000 OLED screen phones for one app. All got burn ins after 1 month thanks to work use. One app on for 12 hours a day. And than they started to fail after half a year plus. Warned them. They did not listen money got burned
All in all, TGL-H45 is aight (not slow in any way, TB4, QuickSync) though we'll wait for more perf per watt analyses and laptop designs to come out. Because dang, after Anandtech's review and this Cinebench curve, TGL vs. CZN is starting look like Vega vs. Pascal. Performance parity in both CPU bound gaming and productivity but considerably higher power isn't good in laptops.
Intel is still improving. Hopefully they can match with AMD to an extent that either CPU is worth the upgrade. Hope to see where Intel brings to the table.
In India , Intel is in stock, but The king AMD is riding motherboards. No buyers for intel. We HATE intel till the earth stand still. In AMD, we trust. Ryzen 5000 series has beaten the blue team, black and blue.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth Huh ? U live in Andaman nicobar ? I cannot see any AMD Advertisements in Indian TV Channels becoz Intel is highly overhyped in India . AMD still not well known in India.
What is the ryzen 9 5900hx rtx 3070 laptop you are using? Is it Asus rog strix? I’m concerned why it lost on some games, especially csgo is because it doesn’t has mux switch so it will lose performance in cpu bound game
Outstanding video. I'd be really pressed to see how much better the 11980hk is vs the 11800h in the same configuration and laptop would really be to better help my choice. I'm a thunderbolt guy so Intel for me.
Availability, features, Intel does better than everyone else here. And that's enough for a lot of people. Performance is way better finally thanks to Tiger Lake. It did superb on Ultrabooks and it does the same here, at least at first glance.
I think it's mainly because they sell Razer Core eGPUs which are only compatible with laptops that support thunderbolt. But I also do think that they should switch to Ryzen
it's weird to run every benchmark at 45watts why not run the laptops at full tilt and actually see what u can get out of the laptops full bore.... it's so silly when i see how bias most reviews are to paint a picture that matches their views....
@@juliopena2098 yes he did but if the fans on two laptops are both 47db and temps for the cpu are both 70c what do i care if something is drawing 80wattts or 65watts.
@@zmb5501 what clocks are you trying? and its more than likely a motherboard vrm issue causing the crashes ... ive had the same before... got a better board and could hit way higher clocks with lower vcore lol bad vrms and power delivery can cause instability.
with undervolt and repaste I get slightly higher multicore numbers in cinebench r23 with my i9-10980hk than this 11th gen processor. excited to see what the new i9-11980hk will do.
Hi, Why not do a video comparing GTX 980 vs GTX 1070 vs RTX 2060, RX 480 vs RX 570 vs RX 5600 ?. Comparing previous generation higher tier with current generation one step lower tier. I think that would make a great video I suppose. Now that no one has access to new cards, at least people will know what to get when they purchase old ones.
This is great. Laptop/mobile is one of those markets that still has enough availability, output vs demand, to facilitate _some_ healthy competition. Intel more or less catching up is IMO good for everyone. Including the companies, as rapidly evolving competition, while forcing unit price down some, it usually generates an outsized volume of sales - and in the medium to long term it generates more consumer incentives to upgrade again, sooner. Just hoping these OEMs and ODMs eases up a bit on their anti-repairability engineering and technical design strategies. Upgrade psths should not be intentionally cut off where the product functionality and engineering design doesn't mske that unavoidable. And just because someone upgrades by replacement, doesn't mean the products usable life cycle has come anywhere near its end, certainly not in the hands of its 2nd or 3rd owner.
It's actually not really Nvidia's fault. Blame it on the laptop design that doesn't allow for more cooling if a lower power usage dGPU isn't what you're looking for...
@@MLWJ1993 it's not the point. The point is the names mean absolutely nothing. A 3080 is not even the same silicone as the desktop part, the 3070 can be as good or better than 3080 depending on configuration. It's a fucking mess and the name on paper means basically nothing.
@@elirantuil5003 Why would anyone even think they're the same? TDP doesn't even match to begin with for good reason, laptop cooling is insufficient for a desktop class GPU in most instances. It's like crying your desktop 3080 doesn't perform as it should because your case ventilation is crap so it's not cooling properly 😆 People should really start thinking for themselves on this one. Although the "M" suffix could be reinstated if people are really that dense to think they get a desktop part in a laptop without that being specifically mentioned...
@@MLWJ1993 you literally went on a wild rant on "people not thinking for themselves" and didn't address my main point. And just to answer your point (because that's what people do): Pascal. The Pascal cards were a hair from their desktop counterpart. If you're going to call it the same, it needs to be at least the same fucking silicone.
I'm curious whether you had disabled the igpu output of intel's cpu during the test and run the system under dGPU turning on in BIOS. I've heard in some Chinese communities that this sometimes gives you a 10~15% uplift in the combination of 11800h and a 3070 (unknown TDP). I think AMD does not support dGPU......
More like empire strikes back. Don't forget about their anti competitive practices these they Lost a lawsuit because of it... may the intel empire blow up on their death star lol
Wow that win in Matlab was surprising! I thought I would go Ryzen for my next laptop but maybe it will be Intel as my main 'heavy' workloads are Matlab, Latex pdf compile and gaming. Actually, if you could add LaTeX benchmarks that would be super cool. :)
Interesting video, well done! Intel has really achieved substantial improvements in performance which is good news for us all. AMD Ryzen 7 5800H is still clearly the better CPU, at least if you want a relatively thin and light laptop. However, with the improved power scaling it seems that Intel will be able to offer more interesting desktop CPU in the years to come. You just have to love competition. :-)
@@ophthalmology8569 Yea true that. Wikipedia's "7nm" page has "intel 10nm", on it. Thieir density is pretty much amazing here, and I think Intel's 7nm density is way better than tsmc's 5nm. So technically in the other sense intel is stepping "down to 7nm" now, still something amd did in 2019 sure, but i think intel can do a lot with this
@@chacharealsmooth941 It allows for better development on it though. Because they can get more transistors on a smaller area, which is what will help in better IPC and more cores too
I'm so confused with Intel's naming. You say there's only 1 cpu under the Core i7 name but isn't there like a 11th Gen Quad Core under the Core i7 name still for mobile?
@Yoshimatsu414 That's Quad-core power saving focused CPUs known as "U-series" or Intel calls it "UP-3". They top out at 4 cores and 8 threads. They will be denoted by a "G3/G5/G7"(in Intel's processors upwards from Ice Lake processors) at the end of the processor name which indicates the integrated GPU's performance, like the Core i7-1185G7. If you see any suffix like these, then stay away from it if you are looking for a gaming laptop. Usually Gaming focused processors(or performance focused) will have Suffix "H" at the back of their name like the Core i7-11800H here. Hope your are not doubtful after reading this...:)
@@bshenlow882 Intel needs to get it together. They releasing things left and right with equally confusing names. They need to change their naming scheme.
amd actually isn't the champ - amd doesn't allow for any undervolting- i was able to undervolt my cpu and get higher sustained clocks w/o thermal throttling at decent temps and the performance was insane on my msi gp66 leapord.
@@TabalugaDragon Bc a lot of reviewers have felt that intel historically have treated them poorly and I think they want to shit on intel when possible - actually I think amd is under a lot of pressure and the stock seems overvalued to me - they have existential risk from arm and they have mostly gained market share via riding tsmc coattails and intel massive failures
@@moneypressoverdrive2020 I believe Intel also faces stock shortages, otherwise why delay the release of these CPU-s so much? If they had them back in January why give market to AMD? I mean almost anybody would choose Ryzen 5000 over 10-th gen Intel.
@@TabalugaDragon that I have no idea about - also you have to keep in mind for both intel and amd all these new mobile chips are not for thin and light laptops u need good cooling solutions and beefy laptops to take advantage of a 3070 and good content creation software
I wish Razer did not lock out undervolting on their newer laptops. I really want to buy a Tiger Lake Razer Blade Advanced but without undervolting it will be like an oven.
Kinda ridiculous that even with a lower TGP on the 3070, the 11800H is still the same if not faster than 5900HX in gaming. Could this be because of Intel having more PCIe lanes?
PCIe lanes play an insignificant role in these laptop configs, maybe a 1% difference. it's all about CPU core latency, IPC, clock speeds and other factors.
@@mariuspuiu9555 Ryzen's core to core latency is less than Intel and IPC are pretty much the same at least according to Cinebench's single core scores. I don't know if anybody has been able to test whether PCIe lanes matter on laptops. That being said I don't know what the RAM primary and sub-timings are, so those could affect the results as well
Depends on the latency. Try to find the highest MT/s RAM (3200) dual rank with the lowest latency possible. Slow memory makes a big difference in gaming or real time applications.
Great video. AMD is still the champ but finally good to see Intel making some much-needed gains. We have AMD to thank for that
If amd wouldn't become champ intel would have deliver customers their 14nm+++++ shit😂thank amd
@@songoku9094 Yes we would still be on 14nm Intel's forever if AMD didn't give them a good thrashing.
>We have AMD to thank for that
Wut.
Neither vendor has related product roadmaps at all.
@@whoruslupercal1891 lack of competition causes stagnation in innovation.
@@MutantMaggotX that's not how it works.
Intel only stagnated due to 10nm disaster.
We need battery life comparisons when doing the 5800H vs 11800H video! Btw I'm even more interested to see 5600H vs 11400H.
Really battery life depends laptop to laptop so that's realistically a better way to compare than CPU vs CPU... Though still keen to see how the Intel laptops stack up on average
@@simster2759 they should use same 2 laptops with both cpu selections
@@simster2759 there are many laptops that come with same chassis but different cpu. Like the legion 5 for example. So it's really easy to use identical hardware for battery life comparisons. Last year hub did a comparison between 4800H and 10875H (or the 10750H I can't remember lol) with the exact same XMG chassis.
Battery life will definitely be better on ryzen obviously, by at least 20+%
judging by power consumption we can already know which is better. however keep in mind that Intel system is pretty efficient at lower voltage too so for everyday tasks, battery life probably will be similar
And here I am sad that AMD's 5980HX is still nowhere to be found.
There is one in Zephyrus Duo SE, iirc
@@rezaramadea7574 zephyrus duo se only has the 5900hx at the top config. 5980hx is still nowhere to be found
I found it but pair with 1650 lol
@@monkeslayer-km5ho ahh, the Flow X13
AMD has never been a good partner with OEMs. Hence why you rarely see them in prebuilts and laptops. Its been this way for decades.
Really interested in this gen of laptops to come. 11400h and a 3060 at a reasonable price is a really compelling argument.
ikr? heck soon as i get enough cash I'm getting one from Costco when they stock those up on their site. :)
if only the 3050 series isn't limited to just 4gb vram. entry level segment likely will still be stagnated. but budget and midrange segment will have a nice bump
@@hoangd4132 the 4gb of VRAM has been what has kept the GTX 1050 to now the 3050 back otherwise they'd have seriously enroached on the upper bracket for people that don't really care about frame rates and are more into single player story driven games
@@hoangd4132 Plenty fine for a simple gamer. 4GB vram is still plenty for a lot of games, especially competitive games (CS:GO, valorant, LoL).
I am deeply interested in that combination or 5600H + 3060
That power scaling of 10ESF really bodes well for Alder Lake-S performance.
Tiger lake would be great on desktop
I am impressed at how close it is between Tiger Lake and Zen 3. Thank god for more competition finally.
Zen 3 was launched half a year prior to Tiger Lake, you have to take that into consideration
Impressed by Intel being lazy?
@@juhotuho10 Yeah and AMD still can't deliver 5980HX
@@juhotuho10 still a win for consumer, comparable performance to amd with good availability from intel
no need to buy into skylake parts that are getting outdated.
I'm ok if AMD stays on top for a little longer, intel has been anti competitive for a lot longer, 90s and 2000s with their shady deals to only sell intel or the comparable amd build had inferior parts or build for the same money. Good old Intel inside
I want Intel to be back. I've been rooting for AMD but I really just want to see them back to trading blows. When they are roughly equally matched, consumers win. This applies to AMD/NVIDIA also.
I use you guys' videos to help me sleep. Don't take this as an insult, I'm not saying your videos are boring directly or indirectly. It's the whole silent audio atmosphere, that helps me relax. Especially your voice.
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I watch chess videos and they make me really sleepy.
Thats a nice bump over 10th-generation!
Thank you for the well explained, informative review.
That powerscaling is impressive. Now I'm curious to see how far it could go with more power.
@@evalangley3985 who cares??? as long as the pricing is adequate, it is a good product
@@evalangley3985 Only care if it beats AMD at a reasonable price point , performance and the MOST important thing of all:- Availiability.
the throttling is impresive. more power / keep the enclosure and therm. manag.
I mean, most of these will end up in laptops that are probably not going to be great at cooling at normal loads. Higher power is going to add up to throttling and less performance.
The power scaling seems to be largely thanks to 10SF, so I guess we'll be waiting to see Alder Lake-S! Get some desktop 10SF processors out there finally
That performance-power scaling, I feel like this is more suited for desktop.
Glad intel release the octa core i7, the quad core i7 lineup before was a real scam
what of the hexa-core i7? is it a scam?
@@elur6140 no, its not ,hexa core with high single core score is sweet spot in 2021
@@richard35791 yaay. so the 10750h paired with a 3070 (130w) isnt a bottleneck?
@@SubKiller a bit, but i refer to tigerlake ones since single core improvement quite massive
@@richard35791 By a bit of bottleneck you mean on CPU intensive games? or even games that utilize small cores? A bit of bottleneck on the speed of the 10750 or because of less cores? Sorry I'm not really good at these kinds of stuff but how did you determine that slight bottleneck. I would need basically two CPUs with same speed but different cores right? Like Hexacore and Octacore like 10600k and 10900k to check the FPS output right? Not really sure but correct me if I'm wrong bro
Interesting conclusions about power scaling, certainly need to think about it when choosing new laptop
That's where the Alienware X 17 is going to eat every laptop in 2021 in performance. That laptop will have a quad fan with possible liquid metal and the i9 11th gen HK version at full capable wattage.
@@mariozamora9684 it's going to be so heavy that it'll appear to have literally eaten another laptop. The Intel reference design was 6lbs and couldn't handle the 65W tdp. Powerful, yes, heavy enough to kill a home invader with a hit on the head that surprises you, also yes.
Cute, MatLab, the only place where these seem measurably faster than Ryzen is also where Intel has most direct influence. MatLab being basically exclusively code written for Intel CPUs.
was it them that got involved into the case where they actively detects 'GeniuneIntel' to decide which codepath it let the CPU uses?
Unfortunately its similar to Nvidia, you corner and engage with the market for exclusive performance. AMD has dropped the ball in this respect.
Matlab heavily uses AVX in their functions to get best possible speed. AVX is where Intel has a lead over AMD, especially now with AVX512 implemented in all Intel Willow/Sunny cove cores. Any workload with AVX 512 will see massive gains, but even AVX256 should be in theory better on Intel.
@@NizarElZarif Intel has no AVX2 advantage over Zen 2 and Zen 3.
Thumbnail: “The end of Ryzen”
*Proceeds to lose to Ryzen in more than half of the benchmarks, whilst still being less power efficient*
"The end of Ryzen?"
Not yet.
you missed the question mark
@@robertstan298 creators do that because it works sadly. Even people who hate it comment on it (to say they hate it) which drives engagement which rewards the creator. The only way out is to fund creators directly via patreon or similar
intel beat AMD in almost all the games tested.
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TVs: get OLED
Phones: get OLED
Watches : get OLED
Laptops: get OLED
Desktop: am I a joke to you...
There is so much work put into this video that I'm subscribing and sharing since you already did my homework. Pretty much people should decide base on their workloads and price but seems very close. The comparison at power levels was just too good and very informative. Ryzen still ahead in technology but Intel has OEM hands in their pocket.
We need to see Undervolting and Overclocking shown on these new Intel 11th Gen processors. Even the 11800H can actually overclock up to 4 Bins.
So, Intel have got close to the previous AMD generation performance but still use more power?
YAY for competition! I just bought my Asus G14 with Ryzen 9 5900HS and I'm really happy with my purchase
14:30 Ryzen 7 5800H has basically 1GHz higher base clock (3.2GHz) vs 11800H (2.4GHz), but 11800H has 50% more cache. You turn on the turbo boost and we all now who will win.
surely not the battery
or the thermals😂. but im realled sad i didnt wait for 11th gen laptops
@@SubKillerI heavily recommend the Core i7-11800H. It is as fast (or a little more in one thread) as a desktop Core i7-10700K or i9-9900K. The IPC and efficiency jump is pretty big.
@@saricubra2867 Should I go for Ryzen 7 5800H or Intel Core i7-11800H ?
Love my early morning hardware unboxed. Love from the United States 🇺🇸!
The biggest surprise here was that crazy power scaling.
This is great news. Hopefully Intel will keep AMD pushing higher price/performance, and the mutual competition will benefit consumers. I just bought a Asus Zeph G15 w/ 5900HS and 3070, and I was a little worried that the Intel CPU would beat it. I'm glad to see it just appears to be well matched.
While I'm not in the market for a laptop, I'm impatiently waiting for AMD to move their APUs to RDNA2. Mostly because it would be cool as hell if they start pushing APUs with the theoretical performance of an RX580 or better (obviously memory limited).
I'm guessing they're waiting for DDR5 board to release, as RDNA2 is memory bandwidth eater.
If the apu is able to perform similar to rx580.
I am happy even amd apu consume 150watt on laptop,
with no dgpu and using latest cooling technique. It will be game canger on midrange area.
Expect 1000$ laptop with wide range usage capabilities. 💪💪💪💪
@@suar99x29 DDR5 will heavily increase the bandwith, and thus the performance of APUs in laptops, both for intel and especially for AMD
@@suar99x29 Ryzen 7 5700G already beats an i7-10700K (i9-9900K) CPU wise , now imagine the next APU with RDNA2.
I wonder will we see an influx of the older architect get flogged into the market for us to buy as second hand.
Tim "Chopper" Schiesser has spoken, thanks for the Video guys.
Great review Tim, but why dont you just load each laptop with an external gpu (using the m.2 PCI-E 4x slot) to better evaluate the gamming performance in a more scientific test (less real world). Some laptops may have trouble with this method, requiring bios mod, etc..
Most external GPU use Thunderbolt, and AMD doesn't support Thunderbolt yet
because it's not a realistic usage, i don't think no one will use egpu on a laptop that already have powerful deldicated gpu anyway
Was waiting for this video, laptop coverage here is one of the best out there.
One question though isn't the abomination that is the 11370H an i7? It is even paired with a "3070".
True. That is really just a glorified i7 1185G7 U part though, just with higher TDP.
yeah the reviews on that one were extremely disappointing. It only connect the CPU to the GPU with 4 PCIe dedicated lanes. H35 platform should only be used with thin and light, and with a 1650/3050 level GPU, anything more and you would be bottlenicking your system.
@@NizarElZarif Ironically it has a full power 96 EU Iris Xe integrated Graphics, which are not that much worse than a 1650..
Few more tests you could run while comparing 11th gen H35 with Xe96, 11th gen H45 with UHD, 10th gen H45 with UHD, and Ryzen with Zen2 and Zen3 cores with Vega graphics - all related to video encoding/decoding speed and quality - run a same batch of video encoding jobs using H264 and H265 software and hardware-accelerated encoding and not only measure the speed of said encodings (which you've done on the software side of options in this vid) but also resulting output file sizes (simple comparison to implement and often shows whether there are added benefits coming from the iGPU of these "SoCs" or rather if there are drawbacks to using those features) and quality (perhaps use VMAF or VQMT to compare MOS of output videos to further showcase perceived quality drops if present amongst tested solutions). Heck, add the Apple M1 chip into the mix as well, after all it's also a laptop chip now ;) and Intel themselves had an interesting campaign for PCs instead of Macs ;) This would also verify M1's quality of the outputs, cause while every tester played to the tune of Apple and has shown how fast it is especially with GPU/T2 HW acceleration, noone looked into actual output sizes or qualities... and as far as I remember from some web forums M1 outputs are pretty huge and blocky compared to X86 software encodes. Sure it'll take more time for you to process such an analysis, but maybe it's worth it to test and show more differences of the compute features of those SoCs.
I really think alder lake for desktop is going to be a beast for gaming. Thank god true performance rivalry is returning.
Alder Lake will be the next Sandy Bridge, Golden Cove will be like 20% faster in singlethread than Willow Cove, therefore, even a bigger jump compared to Rocket Lake.
@@saricubra2867 and we also don’t know how ddr5 will impact performance uplift.
@@saricubra2867 or conroe
I know it's not the tech being reviewed but that panel is amazing, at 03:00 it really looks like that display has been comped on in post.
Conclussion, you won't fail if you choose whoever of this companies for your next gaming laptop, both have impressive products
Tiger Lake has 34% more CPU cache and better IO, for me, it wins.
@@saricubra2867 plus it has undervolting(at least on some laptop models) which AMD doesn't.
@@TabalugaDragon I think that undervolting can be applied to every single Intel CPU since Haswell 8 years ago, for a weird reason, AMD is like 8 years behind for this feature.
@@TabalugaDragon The problem is the majority of laptop manufacturers have disabled undervolting with a bios lock. You could flash an older version of a bios with a tool but there is a high chance of bricking your laptop.
Thank you for the compilation benchmark 👍
I'm curious about battery life between similarly equipped 11800h and 5800h laptops.
They are both rated at 45w, so identical at full load. not sure about lower power states, but the AMD CPU does perform much better at 15w.
@@CjqNslXUcM Wrong. You can't directly compare TDP ratings across manufacturers. AMD CPU's use about HALF as much power under full boost as their equivalent Intel parts. Thus they run WAY cooler & get HOURS more battery life.
@Daniel Vipin AMD doesn't run hotter in basically every review... AnandTech's beefy reference Intel machine was literally thermal throttling in it's stock 65W config and hit around 95C when downset to a more standard 45W. AMD's chips weren't running even CLOSE to that hot.
@Daniel Vipin Close to 90°C (aka mid-high 80's) does not equal ≈95°C. In fact those are VERY different. One is literally escaping thermal throttling by the very skin of its nutsack, the other has a good bit of room the spare.
@@Cooe.
What are you talking about
Don't watch RUclips videos
Go to gamers nexus and tomshadware
Full load they go up to 91°
18:00 I think you made a mistake with this benchmark. CIV 6 is a turn-based game, you only click UI elements and pan the map, there is no reason to measure the FPS in this title. This benchmark should have been measuring turn-times as this is the factor that actually impacts game experience. On large maps with many players, turns can take upwards of 30 seconds towards the end of the game, and you can end up waiting 30+ minutes during a 4-hour game.
The main issue for Intel IMO is not power efficiency, but rather price.
Last time many buyers went for AMD Ryzen 4000 gaming laptops over Intel 10th gen models because of lower prices. Imagine if xx70 and xx80 GPUs are available for Ryzen 4000 models.
Now Ryzen 5000 gaming laptops have more choices, with xx70 and xx80 GPUs. And still priced lower than Intel TGL-H laptops. Ryzen 5000 has less CPU supply issue unlike Ryzen 4000 (other shortages still exist, eg WIFI card - those laptops with AX200, you can guess the reason of shortage). We'll see how good is TGL-H supply later.
Back to the power efficiency point: It matters more on lower power like 45W or below, since that's the typical CPU power draw in gaming (most games).
Zen1 and up can all operate without chipset, which is the case with all AMD notebooks. Shittel on the other hand requires chipsets since Nehalem (1st gen Core), which is their first SoC. Intel still wanting to milk consumers on the motherboard front, even when they god rid of others making intel compatible chipset in the pre 115X era.
What rocket lake should have been.
AMD still maintains its overall small lead, but Intel has gained significantly. But it is a similar story...lightly threaded workloads go to Intel. Multi-threaded workloads will go to AMD. In gaming, Intel appears to be competitive again but I can't wait for the gaming actual gaming comparison here. But ultimately, availability and value for money will be the answer.
11800h varies in diff laptops
5900 gets it's shit pushed in gaming by the 11800H. Outperforms it even w/ the massive 3070 25w disadvantage vs the Ryzen system. CS:GO shows that, and it's pretty clear the other gaming tests are allowing the GPU to dictate more of a role.
@@riplikatlnloki5091 this.
Great Job Tim ! Hope we'll see soon a deep dive into the new generation of lanes that Intel now provides for laptops from you, specially with the new i9 11980hk. Big up from France !
Can you please start adding some benchmarks using battery power only?
Wholly agree
Don’t forget that Ryzen 5000 mobile only has PCIE 3.0 x8. This will affect gaming performance in GPU limited games as JarodTech demonstrated on his channel.
Wait a sec sir....PCIe 4.0 x8 is already a bottleneck!? Dayum! I must be living under some rock.
@@deletevil Cezanne only has PCIe 3.0, not 4.0
@@deletevil Under that rock is crowded with "slower is better" folks. Truth is, SATA SSD rules.
@@phil.s.3362 PCIE3 x16 is equal in bandwith with PCIE4 x8
He saw a 1% to 7% difference at 2560x1440. None of it would be noticeable in a game.
I really doubt it would be the end of ryzen
The power scaling graph is really useful, thank you so much
Some good work from intel
Finally got them 8 cores!
it has 8 cores for 2 years now. First on i9 and then for i7. But it's good that i5 isn't a quad core anymore and there are no 6 core i7-s.
intel has had more than 8 cores for years....
@@TheBURBAN111 among mobile CPU-s?
@@TheBURBAN111 only 8 more to go!
@@johnpenguin9188 forgets intel has 18 cores 32 cores 64 cores and so on...
Does that power scaling graph mean that when 10nm superfin hits the desktop we’ll have very competitive Intel CPUs?
Probably
Lol for like 4 months... Then Zen 4 hits on 5nm and Intel's backed to being royally fucked.
It means AMD is much more efficient
@@Cooe. if that keeps up, great. It means AMD can't get complacent or Intel will overtake them again. Both companies will have to give the customer more, for less. 👍
Woohoo! The competition that we all need in our lives. Now hopefully it will come with some pricing wars (and not performance based slotting that NVIDIA and AMD have been doing the last couple of years).
Don't forget Availability Wars
AMD is so expensive now
Forget a single graphics card that will beat a 1080Ti in value when it launched for 699.
Man thanks for including after effects in your benchmarks.
this is really great to see since it shows that intels willow cove tiger lake is trading blows with zen 3 at productivity but matching it at gaming. Since alder lake will use the improved willlow coves (Golden cove) its exciting to see what alder lake will do against amd and if they don't fuck up with windows optimization of the big little design and have good latency than they will probably match or even beat zen 3.
Tiger Lake is better than Zen 3 in gaming, it has more clockspeed and 30% more cache, in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if the 11800H just made the i9-9900K and i7-10700K irrelevant.
As shown in Jarrods Tech video, the 11800H beats 5800H in gaming. What one needs to consider like Tim said, is "at what price?"
@@SF-li9kh 11800H is that fast that also offers better value (i'm not counting PCIe Gen 4 support).
Way better than boring Zen 3 and Rocket Lake on desktops that use 2 or 3 times more power for similar perfomance vs a laptop CPU.
The one thing I'd love to see when benchmarking is what I would call 'light multitasking'-- ie, how does your single thread-bound task scale if there's a bit of background activity going on (checking emails, background processes etc etc), I suspect we may see that temper the absolute boost window of the CPUs and give a more real world idea of single threaded performance.
Tiger lake linear with performance .... that mean without power restriction it will be very fast. Interesting to see desktop tiger lake performance.
You can get it at alderlake later
Alder Lake's Golden Cove cores are 20% faster than Willow Cove cores used in Tiger Lake (the source for this claim is Moore's Law Dead).
Good news for alder lake? 10nm doesn't seem to suffer from the same issues of 14nm rocket lake.
If only laptop OLEDs came at higher refresh rates and VRR
rather Mini led tbh
Nah, to hell with that. High refresh OLED is extremely expensive. Doesn't help it's a panel with a limited life anyway. Nah.
MiniLed is the way
Looks good, but also looks like 10th gen holds up just fine for games so no real rush to upgrade unless you want a 3000 series GPU.
all depends on the price as well as availability these days.
so 3070 (105w) with tiger lake-h can beat 3070(130w) with zen3?
why don't you just compare 3070(130w) with tigerlake-h and 3070(130w) with zen3...
OLED on a freggin' laptop monitor and I'm still waiting to see a 27" come out for my desk...
only company currently making oleds in that size range is JOLED... and they're very expensive... sad days :c (even the lg monitors that were displayed at ces were reportedly JOLED panels)
i'm comparing a Lenovo Legion 5 15 with a 3060 and 5800H to a Gigabyte Aero with the 11800H and 3060, right now with current sales the Gigabyte is $100 more then the Lenovo, but the Gigabyte has the 4k OLED where the Legion 5 is a 1080p 165hz "IPS Like" screen that only covers like 70%ish of NTSC (liek 99-100% of sRGB, you know the easy one to do that even the 45% NTSC panels can do) and I can't even find a DCI-P3 coverage spec where the 4K OLED is like 99-100% coverage of all the color spaces.
I really wanted to go Ryzen with my new laptop so I could finally be completely converted to Ryzen CPU's on all my systems, but I consume TONS of video content so color accurate screens are super important to me, really wish Gigabyte had a Ryzen 5000 variant of this laptop with the OLED.
Anyone in comment land have any input? either way I gotta drive to a store to get it, the Gigabyte will be about half the drive time as the store selling it is closer but I gotta wait till the end of the month for it to come in if I order now where the Lenovo is instock and I could pick it up this weekend instead of next weekend.
i really want m1 chips to be added in these comparisons
That will be interesting
Different OS, inaccurate
that would not be an accurate comparison.
That would make x86-64 look like AMD Bulldozer in comparison.
@@saricubra2867 not if you ran normal applications instead of apple specific stuff.
Thanks for this vid!
These bodes well for Intels i9-10980HK and desktop parts with that power scaling.
Barely competitive to 5800H, more or less par with 4800H, much higher power draw.
Gonna disagree with you here.
@@Axisoflords What I meant is that with the power scaling being so good at higher wattage Intel is going to be more competitive in desktop, he said it himeslf "with 90 watts it practically evens out" so their desktop parts are going to be a lot closer.
@@Axisoflords They're both tested at 45W configuration and intel model had less wattage gpu
@@AxisoflordsThe i7 has 30% more cache.
Great work Tim, thanks!
The scaling seen here in terms of performance for power class really shows why intel made the choice to stick with 4 cores in the u class laptops. This was a very interesting video and it brings a lot of hope for alder lake to be fantastic with it's high clocks.
That gaming performance is encouraging. The laptop I'm looking at only seems to have its Intel variant slated for release in my country at the moment, so I was wondering whether I should wait for the Ryzen models to show up. For my use case, Intel seems to be the way to go.
It's finally a race again !
Hey can u guys add some desktop cpu too?
I really wanna know how much I lose when using 5800H or 11800H laptop instead of 5800X or 11700K
Thanks!
Laptop vs desktop comparisons are GPU bound
@@waverleyjournalise5757 Does not matter I just wanna see code compile and some games compared for systems with the same cost, like $1200 laptop vs $1200 pc with monitor
That performance/power scaling graph makes me wonder why there aren't any desktop versions yet? Seems like these 11th gen desktop cpus could be very powerful...
They can't mass produce enough 10nm chips for both the desktop and laptop market and since the laptop market is more important we ended up with rocket lake for desktop.
Are we going to get a review of that laptop? I am really interested in its OLED screen.
Burn ins are a real issue and on laptops. Say hallo to always visible shit you basically ask for it
@@t.r.2283 It is not a laptop but I have an s10+ for 2 years which is OLED but has not got burned
@@joxplay2441 do you ever have for hours the same screen showing ? We had in our company over 5000 OLED screen phones for one app. All got burn ins after 1 month thanks to work use. One app on for 12 hours a day. And than they started to fail after half a year plus. Warned them. They did not listen money got burned
@@t.r.2283 its an issue on any monitor with an oled scren. So computers, tvs, phones especially, any oled screen
2:08 have we already forgotten about the 11375H?
All in all, TGL-H45 is aight (not slow in any way, TB4, QuickSync) though we'll wait for more perf per watt analyses and laptop designs to come out.
Because dang, after Anandtech's review and this Cinebench curve, TGL vs. CZN is starting look like Vega vs. Pascal. Performance parity in both CPU bound gaming and productivity but considerably higher power isn't good in laptops.
Absolute great review. Thank you
Intel is still improving. Hopefully they can match with AMD to an extent that either CPU is worth the upgrade. Hope to see where Intel brings to the table.
In India , Intel is in stock, but The king AMD is riding motherboards. No buyers for intel. We HATE intel till the earth stand still. In AMD, we trust. Ryzen 5000 series has beaten the blue team, black and blue.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth lol.
@@joelconolly5574 The same reply was seen in several comment already. He is just trolling
@@789know damn. Sad little guy. He couldn't understand competitive nature. Always looking to side with the winning side.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth Huh ? U live in Andaman nicobar ?
I cannot see any AMD Advertisements in Indian TV Channels becoz Intel is highly overhyped in India . AMD still not well known in India.
It's good to see competition, though the available stock in shops seems to be last gen and lower tier hardware w.r.t. laptops in NZ.
What is the ryzen 9 5900hx rtx 3070 laptop you are using? Is it Asus rog strix? I’m concerned why it lost on some games, especially csgo is because it doesn’t has mux switch so it will lose performance in cpu bound game
Outstanding video. I'd be really pressed to see how much better the 11980hk is vs the 11800h in the same configuration and laptop would really be to better help my choice. I'm a thunderbolt guy so Intel for me.
Availability, features, Intel does better than everyone else here. And that's enough for a lot of people.
Performance is way better finally thanks to Tiger Lake. It did superb on Ultrabooks and it does the same here, at least at first glance.
Why did they make the hinges so tiny, it looks like it's gonna snap by just looking at it
Man I really love the gygabite aero 15.
This is probably the biggest previous gen to new gen difference for Intel in years. Using 10nm instead of 14nm gave it a boost.
Sorry not even close. Intel is still inefficient. I am just pissed that premium brands like Razer still refuse to switch to Ryzen.
I think it's mainly because they sell Razer Core eGPUs which are only compatible with laptops that support thunderbolt. But I also do think that they should switch to Ryzen
nOt eVen ClOsE
Any estimated time for when can we expect your review for two new i5's ……?
it's weird to run every benchmark at 45watts why not run the laptops at full tilt and actually see what u can get out of the laptops full bore.... it's so silly when i see how bias most reviews are to paint a picture that matches their views....
He said in the video why he did it
@@juliopena2098 yes he did but if the fans on two laptops are both 47db and temps for the cpu are both 70c what do i care if something is drawing 80wattts or 65watts.
That display is nuts, it almost feels like it was chromascreen integrated... It's rare to catch how good a display is in a video of it...
RIP i9-9900K and i7-10700K owners, 11800H just killed both at half the TDP.
Oh well. For some reason my 9900k won't even overclock without crashes.
@@zmb5501 Up the voltage/vcore my guy... and use a higher LLC setting... and use cinebench r23 to test... could be bad vrms causing it as well..
@@TheBURBAN111 I've tried up to 1.4. Still crashes but at that voltage it's pinned at 100
@@zmb5501 what clocks are you trying? and its more than likely a motherboard vrm issue causing the crashes ... ive had the same before... got a better board and could hit way higher clocks with lower vcore lol bad vrms and power delivery can cause instability.
@@TheBURBAN111 anything above 4.7 I have a z390 aurus master.
with undervolt and repaste I get slightly higher multicore numbers in cinebench r23 with my i9-10980hk than this 11th gen processor. excited to see what the new i9-11980hk will do.
That i9-11980HK will make Rocket Lake look like a joke with the efficiency.
@@saricubra2867 probably yes
@@maegnificant The i7-11800H makes the i7-10700K and 9900K irrelevant. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel basically killed the Ryzen 5 5600X.
@@saricubra2867 not sure how this relates to my comment but that's cool:)
Any word on undervolting tiger lake-h?
it is allowed, check reddit to conf
Hi, Why not do a video comparing GTX 980 vs GTX 1070 vs RTX 2060, RX 480 vs RX 570 vs RX 5600 ?. Comparing previous generation higher tier with current generation one step lower tier. I think that would make a great video I suppose. Now that no one has access to new cards, at least people will know what to get when they purchase old ones.
Anyone else remembers "Under 301 views" club? The good old days.
This is great. Laptop/mobile is one of those markets that still has enough availability, output vs demand, to facilitate _some_ healthy competition. Intel more or less catching up is IMO good for everyone. Including the companies, as rapidly evolving competition, while forcing unit price down some, it usually generates an outsized volume of sales - and in the medium to long term it generates more consumer incentives to upgrade again, sooner.
Just hoping these OEMs and ODMs eases up a bit on their anti-repairability engineering and technical design strategies. Upgrade psths should not be intentionally cut off where the product functionality and engineering design doesn't mske that unavoidable. And just because someone upgrades by replacement, doesn't mean the products usable life cycle has come anywhere near its end, certainly not in the hands of its 2nd or 3rd owner.
Conclusion: Nvidia dropped the ball hard with gpu naming and power rating. Such an incomprehensible mess.
It's actually not really Nvidia's fault. Blame it on the laptop design that doesn't allow for more cooling if a lower power usage dGPU isn't what you're looking for...
@@MLWJ1993 it's not the point. The point is the names mean absolutely nothing. A 3080 is not even the same silicone as the desktop part, the 3070 can be as good or better than 3080 depending on configuration. It's a fucking mess and the name on paper means basically nothing.
@@elirantuil5003 Why would anyone even think they're the same? TDP doesn't even match to begin with for good reason, laptop cooling is insufficient for a desktop class GPU in most instances.
It's like crying your desktop 3080 doesn't perform as it should because your case ventilation is crap so it's not cooling properly 😆
People should really start thinking for themselves on this one. Although the "M" suffix could be reinstated if people are really that dense to think they get a desktop part in a laptop without that being specifically mentioned...
@@MLWJ1993 you literally went on a wild rant on "people not thinking for themselves" and didn't address my main point. And just to answer your point (because that's what people do): Pascal. The Pascal cards were a hair from their desktop counterpart. If you're going to call it the same, it needs to be at least the same fucking silicone.
I'm curious whether you had disabled the igpu output of intel's cpu during the test and run the system under dGPU turning on in BIOS. I've heard in some Chinese communities that this sometimes gives you a 10~15% uplift in the combination of 11800h and a 3070 (unknown TDP). I think AMD does not support dGPU......
A new hope that strikes back and returns...
More like empire strikes back. Don't forget about their anti competitive practices these they Lost a lawsuit because of it... may the intel empire blow up on their death star lol
@@rudysal1429 hey if Intel gone amd will start doing anti consumer practices
Wow that win in Matlab was surprising! I thought I would go Ryzen for my next laptop but maybe it will be Intel as my main 'heavy' workloads are Matlab, Latex pdf compile and gaming. Actually, if you could add LaTeX benchmarks that would be super cool. :)
Intel are improving, and thanks to Thunderbolt you can have a astonishing ultrabook with powerfull egpu :)
Interesting video, well done! Intel has really achieved substantial improvements in performance which is good news for us all. AMD Ryzen 7 5800H is still clearly the better CPU, at least if you want a relatively thin and light laptop. However, with the improved power scaling it seems that Intel will be able to offer more interesting desktop CPU in the years to come. You just have to love competition. :-)
if intel can pull this off with just 10nm, I am curious,what would happen when they switch to 7nm or less like amd?
@@ophthalmology8569
Yea true that.
Wikipedia's "7nm" page has "intel 10nm", on it. Thieir density is pretty much amazing here, and I think Intel's 7nm density is way better than tsmc's 5nm. So technically in the other sense intel is stepping "down to 7nm" now, still something amd did in 2019 sure, but i think intel can do a lot with this
Nanometers themselves won't make it better
@@chacharealsmooth941
It allows for better development on it though. Because they can get more transistors on a smaller area, which is what will help in better IPC and more cores too
@@hariranormal5584 agreed but Intel's 7nm needs to exist first before it becomes better than TSMC's 5nm
@@hariranormal5584 But TSMC 5nm is already in mass production, AMD can switch to that pretty soon, while intel's 7nm is still years away.
I'm so confused with Intel's naming. You say there's only 1 cpu under the Core i7 name but isn't there like a 11th Gen Quad Core under the Core i7 name still for mobile?
@@LukewarmEnthusiast nope, their H35 (which shouldn't exist). i7-11370H and i7-11375H SE.
@Yoshimatsu414 That's Quad-core power saving focused CPUs known as "U-series" or Intel calls it "UP-3". They top out at 4 cores and 8 threads. They will be denoted by a "G3/G5/G7"(in Intel's processors upwards from Ice Lake processors) at the end of the processor name which indicates the integrated GPU's performance, like the Core i7-1185G7. If you see any suffix like these, then stay away from it if you are looking for a gaming laptop. Usually Gaming focused processors(or performance focused) will have Suffix "H" at the back of their name like the Core i7-11800H here. Hope your are not doubtful after reading this...:)
@@bshenlow882 Intel needs to get it together. They releasing things left and right with equally confusing names. They need to change their naming scheme.
amd actually isn't the champ - amd doesn't allow for any undervolting- i was able to undervolt my cpu and get higher sustained clocks w/o thermal throttling at decent temps and the performance was insane on my msi gp66 leapord.
yep, I wonder why HU didn't mention it, given how undervolting is still available on 11-th gen as seen in Dave2D video
@@TabalugaDragon Bc a lot of reviewers have felt that intel historically have treated them poorly and I think they want to shit on intel when possible - actually I think amd is under a lot of pressure and the stock seems overvalued to me - they have existential risk from arm and they have mostly gained market share via riding tsmc coattails and intel massive failures
@@moneypressoverdrive2020 I believe Intel also faces stock shortages, otherwise why delay the release of these CPU-s so much? If they had them back in January why give market to AMD? I mean almost anybody would choose Ryzen 5000 over 10-th gen Intel.
@@TabalugaDragon that I have no idea about - also you have to keep in mind for both intel and amd all these new mobile chips are not for thin and light laptops u need good cooling solutions and beefy laptops to take advantage of a 3070 and good content creation software
I wish Razer did not lock out undervolting on their newer laptops. I really want to buy a Tiger Lake Razer Blade Advanced but without undervolting it will be like an oven.
Kinda ridiculous that even with a lower TGP on the 3070, the 11800H is still the same if not faster than 5900HX in gaming. Could this be because of Intel having more PCIe lanes?
intel have better single thread
PCIe lanes play an insignificant role in these laptop configs, maybe a 1% difference. it's all about CPU core latency, IPC, clock speeds and other factors.
@@mariuspuiu9555 Ryzen's core to core latency is less than Intel and IPC are pretty much the same at least according to Cinebench's single core scores. I don't know if anybody has been able to test whether PCIe lanes matter on laptops. That being said I don't know what the RAM primary and sub-timings are, so those could affect the results as well
@@MadPotoo never said it wasn't. i was listing some factors that affect both Intel and AMD, with the PCIe lanes not being one of them.
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I have this laptop. What's a good ram to combine it with and will there be benefits or downgrade if I go with 2666 or 3200?
Depends on the latency. Try to find the highest MT/s RAM (3200) dual rank with the lowest latency possible. Slow memory makes a big difference in gaming or real time applications.