which competition ? Intel is crushing amd. intel 60% more performance for 20usd more, but intel less 100usd in motherboard and 100usd less in ddr memory so with intel you get lots more for much less money... RIP AMD.... amd has left the chat.....
@@itaiperes9635 Yes, I'm also happy that Intel finally fought back. I was afraid they'd never be able to compete in performance again. Intel is just too expensive to be option right now, let's hope they'll price their non-k SKUs my competitively.
@@lenyekpenyek I agree. Competition helps us consumers reap benefits. I'm not partial to either brand, I went Intel for 7th, 8th, and 9th gen on desktops because that was what I could afford and what was available. The main reason I went for Ryzen 7000 was because not i9-13900K CPUs were in stock at Micro Center but the Ryzen 9 7950X was. Both are great CPUs though imo.
I would strongly recommend that you add games such as: Civilization 6, hearts of iron 4, cities skyline, EU4, Stellaris, etc. These strategy games are often not too heavy on the gpu but they do often hit the cpu quite hard. In general it would be nice to see strategy games represented in the games comparison. edit: added 2 more games to the example.
ikr! nobody tests cpu or gpu on 4x/grand strategy games. i want to know which cpu/gpu my Rimworld (with 100s of mods) Crusader Kings, Galactic Civ etc would do better on.
@@ChinchillaBONK Yeah, I have found that most reviewers seem too forget that there are more game categorys other that FPS, Racing and Open world games. It's a bit sad that strategy games are so under represented since they can sometimes push mainly CPUs to their limit.
Crazy because I got the Ryzen 7700x, 32gb of 6000hz ram, and MSI B650 Pro WiFi motherboard for $400 in a bundle months ago -- the same price that you posted the Ryzen CPU alone in the video. With that bundle deal, the value of the 7700x is TREMENDOUS
What I've noticed it that Intel's 12th Gen onwards seems to have a lower idle wattage than AMD yet AMD uses significantly less watts than Intel during the actual running of any app or game. And I'm glade that AMD has encouraged software Co's to make their apps/games more compatible. Its also nice to see you include productivity workload results.
Suggestion: add a graph comparing the 1% lows between the CPUs (at any resolution) for all the 24 games just like you did with averages, I would really love to see that visualized!
The problem is at least two of the game tests don't measure 1% lows and due to them both swapping between different scenes running tools over the top to measure it wouldn't work. This would mean 25 games for average, and 23 games for 1% low, which wouldn't be comparable between the two
Just hope that RTX 4050 mobile has atleast 6gb vram or if Nvidia really is that greedy 5gb cuz 4gb vram ain't gonna cut it like that horrid 3050/3050 Ti. UPDATE: THEY DID IT 4050 will have 6gb vram but weirdly they also refreshed the 3050 with a 6gb variant soon and the performance improvement from 3050 to 4050 is around 30% but the most notable here is RTX 4060 mobile the performance jump is so high that its higher than 3070 mobile AND it has 8gb vram so that's that
In reality, AMD 5000 and Alder Lake are still dominating the sales. There isn’t much need to upgrade or move to DDR5. Intel crushes AMD in most CPU tasks this gen. But then again, this is the end of the road for this platform for Intel and then they will likely move to a more expensive platform where DDR5 is required. I hope the price on this platform drops. But for gamers, the 5800X3D is still a better value than anything from the new platform, or even the 13600 series from Intel
@citizen_a there were several videos which showed that there was a flaw in HU’s test methodology, in comparison with their test methodology. But it is inflation and a recession. More budget conscious consumers won’t even be looking at this tier. They’ll likely be looking at R5 or i5 for Intel. If you can spring for the DDR5, fine. If not, still a lot of value to be had by looking at the previous gen
I jumped on a 7700X last week. Microcenter is running a deal where you get a free kit of Gskill X5 CL30 DDR5-6000 and $50 off a motherboard with the purchase of a 7700x (which I also had an additional $25 off coupon for). All-in it was $515 after taxes. Before this deal I was considering a 13700k, but this deal combined with the AM5 platform longevity swayed me. Overall I'm very happy with it. I had to get a different cooler for it because the Wraith Prism I was using on it was constantly ramping up and down with the temperature spikes, which got annoying.
Microcenter? It is not an scam?i mainly speak spanish, but i am planning to go USA next month, where is microcente ubicate or how many days they delay in deliviring the cpu, motheboard and ddr5 combo?
Honestly, thinking long term, people who bought into the Ryzen platform at any point so far have little to regret since at the end of AM4 they got a sweet bonus; the 5800x3d. Intel will never do that, and they won't keep a platform around for over 2 years. So from a longevity per dollar standpoint, the Ryzen platform is a great pick up today, and down the line, since you'll always be just a hot swap away from new performance. Ddr5 isn't that expensive. 100$ for a good kit of ddr5-5400-cl36 is good value considering that to reach that level of performance using DDR4 you will need at least ddr4 -4000 cl16 which costs more than 100$.
If you have a local microcenter, you can get the 13700k for $380 which seems crazy. I actually bought mine launch week for $400. I think they are offering free ddr5 kits for the amd chips too.
Yup, Got the 7700x, 32gig DDR5 6000 CL30(for free) and $50 off the MSI Tomahawk B650 motherboard. $630 for CPU, memory and motherboard with several years of support!! Thanks Microcenter
I got the 12700K and Z690 combo and paired it with my 32gb ddr4 ram for $430 which is $200 less with almost similar performance to 7700X. I also have a good upgrade path to 13th gen and when am5 boards become cheap in 2-3 years I can then upgrade to amd if amd is good then else continue with intel. Pro tip: Always buy the best performance per dollar item without caring about future specially when it’s uncertain. Technology matures fast and products become cheap so upgrade in future when required
@@pinakmiku4999 Well, Intel is dead with this socket and AMD has many years with several chips to come as we just experienced with AM4. AM4 was supported for many years so its really the best value looking forward. There is no guarantee that board prices will come down with everything going up. Thanks, but I weigh all options and I don't upgrade full systems every few years.
Clearly AMD is better now in gaming, is more energy efficient, and if you activate the PBO curve you can get 35°C less and also you can upgrade later... no brain decision. I got rid of a 12900k because of temperatures out of control in a 360mm corsair LCD AIO, the 13700k has the exact CPU tech and core count. I have a 7700x, curve optimizer in -30 and 5.5 ghz in all corres for ever... is amazing
@@martin.k240 I don't care about this big corporations more than they care about me... I tried the 12900k for a year and it just didn't make sense to me, the 7700x does... and feels great
@@Games_and_Tech yes you are a fan boy :) and a big one, the 12900K compete with the AMD5900x not the 7700X, you should try the 13900k but you face is very dip in AMD ass.....
@@swapnilgohil7280 that other guy is lying out of his ass or is the biggest idiot ever. Imagine swapping out a 12900k (which you could run with ddr4 memory) for an am5 system, requiring a cpu change (clearly) but also a new mobo and ddr5 memory. I'm also calling bullshit on the -30 on all cores. That system is likely unstable as shit
Your motherboard may be operating the 13700K at a higher default voltage than is strictly necessary for stability, and as such, blasts far more power through the cpu than is necessary, resulting in higher temps and worse efficiency. I had this issue with the 13900K… ASUS’ default voltage profile is ridiculously high. After some tweaking, I cut power consumption from 300+W in cinebench to ‘only’ 260 and reduced temps from 100C to 80C. A significant reduction with ZERO performance loss. In fact, the CPU performs better with the tuned voltage…. And I also tuned to it to boost to 6.0 GHz under very lightly threaded situations, and maintained the factory all-core clock. I know you have to test with factory defaults, but I suggest to take a look at voltage(s) because the default stock voltage can be way higher than necessary for Raptor Lake.
In terms of performance, the ryzen 7 7700x compares to the i5 13600k, that’s why I think that the price of this CPU should be 289$ at most, if you take into consideration the mobo prices too… it’s not a bad product, but they are not in the same class and that should be reflected with price correction that I think will happen pretty soon in my opinion…
Good video Jarrod, as usual) It is unbelievable, how big the CPU power became in the last 3-4 years... Actually, the current mainstream i5 or Ryzen 5 beats their 4 years older brother almost 3 times regarding multicore workload. However, do we really need such a big CPU performance? I use my 6 core 6 thread i5-8500 for almost 4 years now, and it just works very well for me, including heavy video editing work, and I don't need to upgrade it in the near and far future... Apart from video editing, my CPU utilization is not higher than 10-15% (40-50% during gaming). What I wanted to say is that nowadays the modern CPUs are just "overkill" for the majority of PC users, except of course people working with heavy CPU-intensive work...
There was so much stagnation prior to AMD becoming a competitive choice. It's great! I love seeing these massive uplifts in performance. Neither side can sit comfortably on top and that means they both need to push harder to make better products
I was asking myself the same thing. But maybe look at it this way. We might not need it but once there are CPU's that can do things that CPU's can't do now, they will be able to built cool stuff on these CPU's. Like i love VR. But we need tons of CPU innovation before we can have a VR headset that does anything like a PC can do now. VR standalone is struggling because it has to be a light headset, little room for cooling, we want it to run on battery etc. Imagine we can have a VR headset on our face that has the power of what an i7-13700k has. For that to be possible it needs to use way less power for the same performance. Size in general. I mean wouldn't it be awesome if we had a 'desktop' that was the size of a smartphone? Obviously if we can make a smartphone with the power of a PC with a i7-13700k then we would be able to make a bigger item even more powerful. Until we really dont need more power. But that's a decade or 2 away at the very least.
right? nowadays it's the opposite again, at least in canada, the 7700x tends to hover around $440... that said, they're a similar price for black friday this week
Great and thorough comparison. Even I share the opinion that it would be worth looking at a 13700 vs 7900 comparison, because in this case, 13700 has a 50% higher thread count than 7700, even though all the threads are not of the same strength.
This is my second comment on your channel and thank you for all resolutions and games. I picked up the 13700k and now feel better about my purchase even if all I do is game the possibility of productivity is there with the 13700k.
Useful to see your comment. I do video editing am I'm very torn! Currently using an Intel i5 11400 which is perfect. The issue being my GPU is a 1650 super and I can't swap it out because of the low watt PSU 360 watt (dell!) I do well but it's sluggish
I agree, in general, I'd go with i7 13700k. Big fan of your very thorough reviews, keep them up! I always like to look at your reviews before I make a purchase. Would love to see review of Gigabyte g5 KD and KC models as I believe they are great value options.
Here are reasons not to go Intel: 1) to overclock you need a z series board which is not cheaper than comparable and boards (you can OC on Ryzen b650) 2) to get the same performance as you saw in the video you either need very fast ddr4 4000+ or you need at least ddr5 5400 which both are around the same price at 100$ 3) Intel will not offer you any more upgrades. You can wait 3 years and slot a new Ryzen CPU without a problem. Don't see why go Intel unless you are pinching penises and being cheap. If that's the case get a core i3 not a 450$ CPU.
Everything comes down to Platform Longevity(AMD) vs Core Counts(Intel). So we users have some calculations to do. Great gaming CPU-s but for more than gaming, the 13700K is another league. I would probably go for 7700X thinking of an upgrade similar of 1700X to 5800X3D in 5 years.
I keep seeing "upgradability" but I personally don't see myself going 3600 -> 7700x -> Better AM5. I think it's much more likely I'll go to AM6 generation stuff next upgrade. So I think it's largely not useful information.
I'm confused about the math here. You showed a 2.51% average difference at 1080p, but then the average framerates at 1080p were 268 vs 298 which is over 10%. Shouldn't these be the same?
It’s confusing but he’s basically comparing the 1080p 1v1, like for example if ryzen gets 10% more fps, but intel gets 8% more fps in another game, then the difference is only 2%, I think that’s how he calculates the difference in percentage fps.
@@zoid99dollars shouldn't that be the same thing, just with extra steps? I guess if I really want to know I'll have to do the math myself when I have time... depends how bored I get lol
I decided to finally upgrade build a new PC this Fall, a Christmas present to myself. I'm not going for a 4xxx GPU or waiting for RDNA3, but chose a 6800X instead. That doesn't mean I can't still try to pick up a 7900XTXTXTX sometime down the road, but given pricing trends, I'm completely done with buying the latest GPUs. The machine I'm "demoting" is a 3900X / 2080Ti, and I need both the CPU and GPU to be significantly faster to justify the move. Given the AM4 growing pains I suffered, and the likelihood that this new build will serve my needs for longer than AM5 is current (making drop-in CPU upgrade a moot point), I went with the 13700K.
I liked the comparison, you did a good job making things as fair as possible, only thing i would say that's in intels favour is they can go much faster than 6000 on ram speed. AMD caps around the 6000 used from what has been said by reviewers, so with faster ram we could see Intel coming closer or beating(at a largely significant increase in price though)
13700k uses about 70 watts more power under load, compared to 7900x. That means a bigger more expensive cooler for the 13700k. Intel Raptor Lake uses too much wattage, those chips are not really competitors to the excellent Ryzen 7000 series.
it feels unreal seeing you at 550k subrscribers! i got the opportunity to ask you on twitter on what laptop should i get when you're at 15k subs! thank you a lot jarrod! 1m subs is definitely coming soon!
It is true that 7900X costs more than 13700K, but it is more approriate comparison in terms of the spec and core count. Initial higher price of 7900X will pay off in a longer run on AM5 platform, as users will be able make easy and cheaper single CPU upgrade rather than buying entirely new system from Intel. This is actually going to be far more expensive in a longer perspective, as Raptor Lake platform cannot be upgraded. Please make another comparison with 7900X. Much appreciated.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorAMD supports their socket more than 2 years lol. And pretty much everyone upgraded from 10th,11th gen to 12th gen. It’s really F’n annoying to have to buy a new mainboard, new ram, new NVME drives..
Thanks for the nice review! I'll take the 7700X for sure. It already came down to 420€ in my area while the 13700K is still at 494€. Much higher efficiency and the better features and longevity of the platform make it the obvious choice for me.
amd cpus are stoves dont waste money on amd cpus or gpus man, intel and nvidia all the way, I made a mistake buying the 5900x 2 years ago but i am never trusting amd again
Don't listen to the guys above, they have no idea what they are talking. This year Intel is probably better if you are taking only the performance, but overall AMD should come out on top if we are talking about platform. Also AMD builds are great.
@@1990lietuva I don't see Intel in front in performance. 13900K and 7950X are almost even in performance in all use cases. For gaming 7600X and 7700X make more sense than 13600K and 13700K though, while also being cheaper and way more efficient. I hope Intel can come up with something good very quickly. Just another 200MHz more on a 13900KS won't be enough to compete with Zen4X3D. Not even close.
Seems like 7700x has much better price to performance, and in half games, better performance in general. But if you are graphic designer, animator, and things like that, it’s better to pay more for intel
hello there. At 1080p on page "Cost per frame" you had a difference between Intel and AMD 20%, although AMD's common increase of performance in the games was 2,5%. Even If add a price difference, about 10%(with FK version of Intel), don't get 20%
its crazy how fast technology is advancing..or is it? I bet processors with similar specs could have easily come out five years ago but then the gap would be huge.. Its all about market control giving the masses more and more things to consume when in most cases they dont even need them. I will be sticking with my trusty i5 11400 that handles everything i throw at it be it work or games..
I read a comment some time back saying that Intel was supposedly holding chips that were meant to be released in 2030, but are now close to having to sell them thanks to competition
@@icyycold1094 yeah, if intel actually tried to innovate and switched to 10nm/7nm early, they would have had a much better chance to fair against amd, and maybe even beat then. We could have gotten the 13900k like 5 years ago!
AMD uses MASSIVE more power at idle ,, but the AMD fanboys ALWAYS want to pretend their PC's are running at 100% load 100% of the time. The REAL life power draw is being investigated and things in REAL life are going to be a MASSIVE shock for the one eyed AMD girlies
Does anyone care about power draw when idle or doing light stuff? Let's say 13700k is 40 watts lower at idle, compared to 7700x. So 7700x costs maybe 2 dollars per month more on the electric bill? Who cares?
@@DerekDavis213 It is CRAZZED AMD shills that keep RANTING on about Intel uses more power ,, indeed they do at PEAK performance which in reality is NOT at all often. I just enjoy seeing the TRUE facts of "real world" power consumption being investigated in order to make them realize how daft they are.
@@tilapiadave3234 The *REASON* that people care about peak power consumption, is because that determines how big and expensive the cpu cooler has to be, and maybe how noisy the cpu cooler is. Peak power matters. Nobody gives a tish about idle power! In USA, many people spend $15 every day for coffee and gasoline to drive to work. $2 per MONTH on the electric bill is nothing. For real.
I’m running an I7 6700k right now and looking at finally upgrading my entire computer. I’m torn between 13700k and a 7000 series. I like the performance of the Intel but it’s an end of life product. The 7000 is supposedly supported to 2025. Seeing as I upgrade about every 6-8 years and how fast technology is progressing. I dont know if I should just stay with 7000 and have option to upgrade to their latest and last cpu before they move on to AM6. Since I just need to swap out CPUs. Just have no clue right now…lol
my brother, same here holding my extra juicy 6700k and no clue what to do.... just hunting the i7-13700k right now (465,50€ on spanish web) and MSI PRO Z690-A for 189.90€, I can hold my ddr 4 but ddr5 is not expensive at all..... should I go or no?
If you went 13th gen now and don't plan on upgrading for a good few years, then that'd be a good option for you. Go for the previous gen mobo as the newer gen one isn't worth it and stick to ddr4. Means you'd have more money for a higher spec graphics card (if you're working with a specific budget) I personally went AMD because I see it as a future investment as I have the potential to do incremental upgrades with my AM5 mobo without needing all new hardware. Currently running a 7900x with 32gb ddr5 ram and no graphics card. Waiting on the newer stuff before I decide between AMD/nVidia and new gen vs older gen. Leaning towards full AMD system currently though
Just cos AMD mobo will be supported longer 99.99999% of all these guys will never stay on a 3 yr old mobo later when new CPU's come out, they'll want a new mobo with all the new technological advancements. If you plan on keeping your new rig for 5 years (which is easily good common sense cos they last even longer than that) then just go intel, or if you want to pay out the ass for ddr5 go amd.
@@miked6367lol, people are spending crazy money on high end motherboards now, like Maximus and Dark Hero and crosshair….trust me, they’re keeping em if they could.
I know nobody asked and I can't even buy it but I think i7 is overall better because gaming performance is almost the same but huge difference in all other workloads
Thanks for the analysis! It seems like Intel is the better CPU here, but I still intend to get to get a full-AMD rig in the near future - not really for the upgradeability (although that would certainly help) but mainly because AMD has been doing some good work and (I feel) is therefore deserving of my money. Plus, that power efficiency is gonna save me a little bit on my electricity bill, and I suppose that also makes it ever so slightly more environmentally friendly. Can't wait for the launch of the RX 7000 series GPUs!
power efficiency is a myth, if you are not pushing your machine to 100% all the time, intel saves tons of power. many of the reviewers are too vague to even notice how more ryzen consumes in idle and normal usage compared to intel. think of this way, if your PC is used 10 hours per day including 6 hours in gaming (which is pretty close both sides), for the extra 4 hours a ryzen system will be eating up 30-40w more. and yes it adds up.
The difference in productivity is much higher than the difference in gaming so i think that the 13700K is the best choice. Considering also that you must buy a new motherboard if you want the 7700X then probably the 13700K is the best choice in this moment. You have to consider that the cost of the AM5 mobo is high, and maybe if you want a future-proof platform the best choice is to wait until the cost of AM5 mobo/cpu will be lower.
Yes, seems like the new AMD cpus are obsolete already. The x3d versions won't help productivity either so I guess AMD has nothing to challenge intel. If AMD has nothing significantly better that they are working on I guess they'll become irrelevant again.
@@atnfn Yeah probably if you already have a ryzen 3000 or a 5000 and you still want AMD, a better choice is to wait until there are better deals and the previous Ryzen are still great. This time Intel is more convenient and compelling.
Could you look at value again now that pricing has really changed and companies are getting more aggressive? I picked up a 7700x, 32 DDR5 6000 ram, and Asrock X670E PG Lightning combo from Newegg for $500 after discounts, and they threw in a free copy of Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. I had to take a double take before hitting add-to-cart, but the deal was just too good to let go. I've got other top-end systems from both Intel and AMD, but I really wanted to build something that focused on efficiency first, then solid content creation and gaming performance. I plan to bundle it with an RTX 4070 Ti and call it a day. I'm moving back to AMD from Intel simply because of the power draw and the difficulty trying to keep the 12900 or 13900 class processors at reasonable temps. Anyway, I'd be curious to see how they stack up today on value. Cheers Rick
@@tilapiadave3234 5800x3D is neither overpriced or a waste of sand. It's an amazing CPU which is priced where it should be for what it offers, which is by far the greatest gaming performance on AM4, which rivals, and sometimes even beats current 7000 and 13000 offerings.
@@ALph4cro 5800X3D is EXTREMELY overpriced and hence a waste of sand, Show me ANY 20 games that it gives 250% higher frame rates than a R5 5600 ( non x ) ? It costs 250% more , so here , go ahead , JUSTIFY your waste of sand??? CANNOT.
@@ALph4cro If you want THE BEST then it would be the 13900k , simple as that. I cannot see ANY way that a 5800X3D represents value ,,, i have looked at it from many directions and it is simply OVER-PRICED and under performing and just an AMD fanboy legend without reason. But in the end it is their money to spend as they want :)
Given the way iGPU has a chance to mess around your games I say not having one could improve stability and compatibility toward the future when they stop updating them. Add extra performance but later on in the future might bring compatibility issues as well.
@@ass5kickin That or just divide the cost by two or so to account for that. In my mind my mobo essentially cost $50 because it lasted for two cpus, cutting the cost in half.
Prices in general does not make sense to apply, as they will differ over time and from region to region. It sets a false narrative, by people to lazy to calculate their own price/performance.
@@ass5kickin youre getting value out of the insane upfront cost if, and only if, you upgrade frequently and you stay with AMD. i don't like the deal. for example, locally prices start from $100 for 1700 and $250 for AM5. potentially $150 worth of impact in cost per frame analysis... yeah, cpu prices vary globally and fluctuate over time, but the calculation for people who build now in order to play now, not in 2025, is missing quite a significant piece...
13900K vs 7950x 13700K vs 7900x 13600K vs 7700x Is the real deal. As AMD will drop prices as it always have and if someone watches this video after 6 months the whole situation would be different.
I recently decided to build a new pc for the first time in almost a decade. I bought the ryzen cpu but now I’m deciding against my purchase as I have no knowledge or experience with AMD. Plus the current price of DDR5 is just way too much for what I’m willing to spend. This video helped a lot with finding an intel cpu to replace it with so thank you very much!
Intel has come a LONG way these last few years in offering VALUE. I had expected THIS platform to be the 4 year platform but it will be the next one ,, from what i understand Intel will make 15th Gen on a 2100 pin connector and then offer at least 4 years platform longevity
@@tilapiadave3234 there is no value of you buy a dead end ddr4 platform and are forced to completely overhaul your system next time. If you buy Ryzen you are set for the next 3-5 years without needing much changes and money.
@@singular9 Value is subjective to each person. You now how long 5 years in the tech world is? AM4 looked great because Intel was stagnant and 10th and 11th gen were terrible. Once Intel dropped 12th and 13 Gen AM4 wasn't looking so hot.
Hi Jarrod. Can you please add streaming test also . like streaming some game to youtube or twitch through obs with chrome and some basic apps running in background? For me this the most important test as this will help better to get something or not
thanks ! your tests are very helpful since i use handbrake and not everyone is including it fr testing. I would have loved if you would include testing the 7700 or 7700X in Eco mode to kinda simulate the 7700, since the 7700 non X isnt much slower but comsumes less power, i would have loved to see the efficiency results. but anyways, thanks for the testing, i also like your clear Graphs. its very easy readable. also if you would have included the results from the 13600 and 7600 even if you dont talk about them would be cool for comparison. I just opened both your Videos to Compare the 13600k to the 7700X.
i love amd before but honetly they need to step up the naming scene and pricing. they are so good now in gaming, but lost too much on productivity. 7700x should be the 7600x. or make 7900x as 7800x for $449. so 7600x 6/12 $299 7700x 8/16, $379 7800x 12/24 $449 7900 16/32 $549
Intel is better by performance BUT AMD is resurected competition so now wanna more money for they CPUs and they are not bad at all. My choice is AMD for long socket support, competition resurection etc.
I always love how folks who just play games and watch RUclips videos pretend to know anything about CPUs. All of this comes down to usage if you’re just playing games and watching RUclips either will work plus none of you will notice any type of spec difference. If you’re doing video production, 3D rendering, or using ARC Gis then we can talk about differences. To many know it alls here who don’t get paid to engineer these pieces of equipment I always feel ashame to help bring such innovations to the market.
Great work as always. Maybe for ram, you should go for 5200 and 6000 for amd and 5600 and 6400 for intel and 3200cl14 for ddr4 for intel and 5000-series.
Going DDR4 has a bigger effect on 13th gen CPUs and sometimes it's pretty big. I could see doing that if you're trying to do a budget build but buying a 13700K and then throttling it sounds like a waste of money.
@@johndoh5182 you are right, but for an i5 or r5, its good to see the minimum-budget -performance! maybe even get a msi pro b660m-a, b550m-ds3h (which i have) and a b650m-ds3h (for 160$ on newegg).
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I'm happy amd and intel is exchanging their champion seat more frequently now each generation. Their competition benefits us.
which competition ? Intel is crushing amd. intel 60% more performance for 20usd more, but intel less 100usd in motherboard and 100usd less in ddr memory so with intel you get lots more for much less money... RIP AMD.... amd has left the chat.....
@@itaiperes9635 I want to reply properly, but noticed a fanboy is barking loudly. Oh well, have a nice day.
@@itaiperes9635 Yes, I'm also happy that Intel finally fought back. I was afraid they'd never be able to compete in performance again. Intel is just too expensive to be option right now, let's hope they'll price their non-k SKUs my competitively.
@@lenyekpenyek I agree. Competition helps us consumers reap benefits. I'm not partial to either brand, I went Intel for 7th, 8th, and 9th gen on desktops because that was what I could afford and what was available. The main reason I went for Ryzen 7000 was because not i9-13900K CPUs were in stock at Micro Center but the Ryzen 9 7950X was. Both are great CPUs though imo.
@@itaiperes9635 lol
The most profitable sector is HPC cpus and there EPYC completely VAPORIZES whatever Intel has.
I would strongly recommend that you add games such as: Civilization 6, hearts of iron 4, cities skyline, EU4, Stellaris, etc. These strategy games are often not too heavy on the gpu but they do often hit the cpu quite hard. In general it would be nice to see strategy games represented in the games comparison. edit: added 2 more games to the example.
ikr! nobody tests cpu or gpu on 4x/grand strategy games. i want to know which cpu/gpu my Rimworld (with 100s of mods) Crusader Kings, Galactic Civ etc would do better on.
@@ChinchillaBONK Yeah, I have found that most reviewers seem too forget that there are more game categorys other that FPS, Racing and Open world games. It's a bit sad that strategy games are so under represented since they can sometimes push mainly CPUs to their limit.
True, I play alot of rts
As a Hearts of Iron IV player, I 100% agree with this comment.
Yes please! My main game is eu4 and it is a very single-core game so that is the most important to me
Crazy because I got the Ryzen 7700x, 32gb of 6000hz ram, and MSI B650 Pro WiFi motherboard for $400 in a bundle months ago -- the same price that you posted the Ryzen CPU alone in the video. With that bundle deal, the value of the 7700x is TREMENDOUS
how is the performance of that combo for productivity? i want to build the same combo mostly for editing photos and videos
Did you end up buying it?
What I've noticed it that Intel's 12th Gen onwards seems to have a lower idle wattage than AMD yet AMD uses significantly less watts than Intel during the actual running of any app or game. And I'm glade that AMD has encouraged software Co's to make their apps/games more compatible. Its also nice to see you include productivity workload results.
Suggestion: add a graph comparing the 1% lows between the CPUs (at any resolution) for all the 24 games just like you did with averages, I would really love to see that visualized!
The problem is at least two of the game tests don't measure 1% lows and due to them both swapping between different scenes running tools over the top to measure it wouldn't work. This would mean 25 games for average, and 23 games for 1% low, which wouldn't be comparable between the two
@Husha563 Source for your claim, please.
@Husha563 I mean they just asked if they could include them to get a better idea between the two chips??? Where did that animosity even come from lol
@Husha563 Pot calling kettle black smh
where is Husha563
Can't wait for CES, Ryzen 7000m, Intel 13000, new GPUs. It's going to be wild!
Just hope that RTX 4050 mobile has atleast 6gb vram or if Nvidia really is that greedy 5gb cuz 4gb vram ain't gonna cut it like that horrid 3050/3050 Ti. UPDATE: THEY DID IT 4050 will have 6gb vram but weirdly they also refreshed the 3050 with a 6gb variant soon and the performance improvement from 3050 to 4050 is around 30% but the most notable here is RTX 4060 mobile the performance jump is so high that its higher than 3070 mobile AND it has 8gb vram so that's that
@@Eleganttf2 don't think they'll introduce an RTX 4050. But only time will tell.
7000m is gonna be 9000 series for some reason
@@CalanReichel probably!
And samsung 8k horizontally ultrawide monitor!
In reality, AMD 5000 and Alder Lake are still dominating the sales. There isn’t much need to upgrade or move to DDR5. Intel crushes AMD in most CPU tasks this gen. But then again, this is the end of the road for this platform for Intel and then they will likely move to a more expensive platform where DDR5 is required. I hope the price on this platform drops. But for gamers, the 5800X3D is still a better value than anything from the new platform, or even the 13600 series from Intel
@citizen_a there were several videos which showed that there was a flaw in HU’s test methodology, in comparison with their test methodology. But it is inflation and a recession. More budget conscious consumers won’t even be looking at this tier. They’ll likely be looking at R5 or i5 for Intel. If you can spring for the DDR5, fine. If not, still a lot of value to be had by looking at the previous gen
5800X3D ,, THE most over-rated cpu of ALL time
I jumped on a 7700X last week. Microcenter is running a deal where you get a free kit of Gskill X5 CL30 DDR5-6000 and $50 off a motherboard with the purchase of a 7700x (which I also had an additional $25 off coupon for). All-in it was $515 after taxes. Before this deal I was considering a 13700k, but this deal combined with the AM5 platform longevity swayed me. Overall I'm very happy with it. I had to get a different cooler for it because the Wraith Prism I was using on it was constantly ramping up and down with the temperature spikes, which got annoying.
Microcenter? It is not an scam?i mainly speak spanish, but i am planning to go USA next month, where is microcente ubicate or how many days they delay in deliviring the cpu, motheboard and ddr5 combo?
Honestly, thinking long term, people who bought into the Ryzen platform at any point so far have little to regret since at the end of AM4 they got a sweet bonus; the 5800x3d. Intel will never do that, and they won't keep a platform around for over 2 years. So from a longevity per dollar standpoint, the Ryzen platform is a great pick up today, and down the line, since you'll always be just a hot swap away from new performance. Ddr5 isn't that expensive. 100$ for a good kit of ddr5-5400-cl36 is good value considering that to reach that level of performance using DDR4 you will need at least ddr4 -4000 cl16 which costs more than 100$.
They even release a new am4 chip this month 💀
As always, splendid work. Thanks for the comparison.
Glad you liked it!
If you have a local microcenter, you can get the 13700k for $380 which seems crazy. I actually bought mine launch week for $400. I think they are offering free ddr5 kits for the amd chips too.
Yup, Got the 7700x, 32gig DDR5 6000 CL30(for free) and $50 off the MSI Tomahawk B650 motherboard. $630 for CPU, memory and motherboard with several years of support!! Thanks Microcenter
What kind of DDR5 kit did you get?
@@Trainmaster909 Hey there
The promo kit was Gskill Flare 2x16gb
I got the 12700K and Z690 combo and paired it with my 32gb ddr4 ram for $430 which is $200 less with almost similar performance to 7700X. I also have a good upgrade path to 13th gen and when am5 boards become cheap in 2-3 years I can then upgrade to amd if amd is good then else continue with intel.
Pro tip: Always buy the best performance per dollar item without caring about future specially when it’s uncertain. Technology matures fast and products become cheap so upgrade in future when required
@@pinakmiku4999 Well, Intel is dead with this socket and AMD has many years with several chips to come as we just experienced with AM4. AM4 was supported for many years so its really the best value looking forward. There is no guarantee that board prices will come down with everything going up. Thanks, but I weigh all options and I don't upgrade full systems every few years.
Very broad and methodical testing. Gives a very solid overview. Thank you!
Clearly AMD is better now in gaming, is more energy efficient, and if you activate the PBO curve you can get 35°C less and also you can upgrade later... no brain decision. I got rid of a 12900k because of temperatures out of control in a 360mm corsair LCD AIO, the 13700k has the exact CPU tech and core count. I have a 7700x, curve optimizer in -30 and 5.5 ghz in all corres for ever... is amazing
Amd fanboy lol
@@martin.k240 my man wrote a whole lot essay on why he prefers amd and you say he's a fanboy 🤡
@@martin.k240 I don't care about this big corporations more than they care about me... I tried the 12900k for a year and it just didn't make sense to me, the 7700x does... and feels great
@@Games_and_Tech yes you are a fan boy :) and a big one, the 12900K compete with the AMD5900x not the 7700X, you should try the 13900k but you face is very dip in AMD ass.....
@@swapnilgohil7280 that other guy is lying out of his ass or is the biggest idiot ever. Imagine swapping out a 12900k (which you could run with ddr4 memory) for an am5 system, requiring a cpu change (clearly) but also a new mobo and ddr5 memory. I'm also calling bullshit on the -30 on all cores. That system is likely unstable as shit
Your motherboard may be operating the 13700K at a higher default voltage than is strictly necessary for stability, and as such, blasts far more power through the cpu than is necessary, resulting in higher temps and worse efficiency. I had this issue with the 13900K… ASUS’ default voltage profile is ridiculously high. After some tweaking, I cut power consumption from 300+W in cinebench to ‘only’ 260 and reduced temps from 100C to 80C. A significant reduction with ZERO performance loss. In fact, the CPU performs better with the tuned voltage…. And I also tuned to it to boost to 6.0 GHz under very lightly threaded situations, and maintained the factory all-core clock. I know you have to test with factory defaults, but I suggest to take a look at voltage(s) because the default stock voltage can be way higher than necessary for Raptor Lake.
disclaimer: there's an amd fanboy on the loose in the comments section, proceed with caution and protect your braincells
Agreed 👍
I might use AMD now, but I want to see competition like this in the CPU space, because we as consumers get better products.
@@cameronbosch1213 yes competition is good but i just can't stand amd fans who gatekeep
No matter what you say currently for laptops ryZen is best 🔥
In terms of performance, the ryzen 7 7700x compares to the i5 13600k, that’s why I think that the price of this CPU should be 289$ at most, if you take into consideration the mobo prices too… it’s not a bad product, but they are not in the same class and that should be reflected with price correction that I think will happen pretty soon in my opinion…
Good video Jarrod, as usual) It is unbelievable, how big the CPU power became in the last 3-4 years... Actually, the current mainstream i5 or Ryzen 5 beats their 4 years older brother almost 3 times regarding multicore workload. However, do we really need such a big CPU performance? I use my 6 core 6 thread i5-8500 for almost 4 years now, and it just works very well for me, including heavy video editing work, and I don't need to upgrade it in the near and far future... Apart from video editing, my CPU utilization is not higher than 10-15% (40-50% during gaming). What I wanted to say is that nowadays the modern CPUs are just "overkill" for the majority of PC users, except of course people working with heavy CPU-intensive work...
There was so much stagnation prior to AMD becoming a competitive choice. It's great! I love seeing these massive uplifts in performance. Neither side can sit comfortably on top and that means they both need to push harder to make better products
Lots of people are successful at creating needs in people . 😊
@@zoundsic gold words...
I was asking myself the same thing. But maybe look at it this way. We might not need it but once there are CPU's that can do things that CPU's can't do now, they will be able to built cool stuff on these CPU's.
Like i love VR. But we need tons of CPU innovation before we can have a VR headset that does anything like a PC can do now. VR standalone is struggling because it has to be a light headset, little room for cooling, we want it to run on battery etc. Imagine we can have a VR headset on our face that has the power of what an i7-13700k has. For that to be possible it needs to use way less power for the same performance.
Size in general. I mean wouldn't it be awesome if we had a 'desktop' that was the size of a smartphone? Obviously if we can make a smartphone with the power of a PC with a i7-13700k then we would be able to make a bigger item even more powerful. Until we really dont need more power. But that's a decade or 2 away at the very least.
@@GoodGamingMemories Overkill?! 13700K and 7700X struggles to give 60FPS in the new Hogwarts Legacy game! And Ray tracing makes CPU crumble! -_-
7700x sells for $324 on Newegg, if you buy it with a $200 B650 motherboard.
Interesting video 7700x today is now around $290 compared to 13700k at $370..
right? nowadays it's the opposite again, at least in canada, the 7700x tends to hover around $440... that said, they're a similar price for black friday this week
Great and thorough comparison. Even I share the opinion that it would be worth looking at a 13700 vs 7900 comparison, because in this case, 13700 has a 50% higher thread count than 7700, even though all the threads are not of the same strength.
Now you can get 7700 for 250
Rip intel
This is my second comment on your channel and thank you for all resolutions and games. I picked up the 13700k and now feel better about my purchase even if all I do is game the possibility of productivity is there with the 13700k.
Useful to see your comment. I do video editing am I'm very torn! Currently using an Intel i5 11400 which is perfect. The issue being my GPU is a 1650 super and I can't swap it out because of the low watt PSU 360 watt (dell!)
I do well but it's sluggish
I suggest you use the intel core i7 13700k if you're a game developer like me. It's very good with multi-tasking.
I agree, in general, I'd go with i7 13700k. Big fan of your very thorough reviews, keep them up! I always like to look at your reviews before I make a purchase. Would love to see review of Gigabyte g5 KD and KC models as I believe they are great value options.
Here are reasons not to go Intel:
1) to overclock you need a z series board which is not cheaper than comparable and boards (you can OC on Ryzen b650)
2) to get the same performance as you saw in the video you either need very fast ddr4 4000+ or you need at least ddr5 5400 which both are around the same price at 100$
3) Intel will not offer you any more upgrades. You can wait 3 years and slot a new Ryzen CPU without a problem.
Don't see why go Intel unless you are pinching penises and being cheap. If that's the case get a core i3 not a 450$ CPU.
@@MakeSh00t fun fact, the 13700k is better than most threadrippers, nearly tying with the threadripper 3960x
The AMD one now costs 430€, should i buy it?
Everything comes down to Platform Longevity(AMD) vs Core Counts(Intel). So we users have some calculations to do. Great gaming CPU-s but for more than gaming, the 13700K is another league. I would probably go for 7700X thinking of an upgrade similar of 1700X to 5800X3D in 5 years.
I keep seeing "upgradability" but I personally don't see myself going 3600 -> 7700x -> Better AM5. I think it's much more likely I'll go to AM6 generation stuff next upgrade. So I think it's largely not useful information.
@@skylershuman7705 thats exactly what im gonna do lmao, im jumping from 3600 to 7700 non x
ryzen 7 + rtx 4070 , is this good for streaming + gaming
I'm confused about the math here. You showed a 2.51% average difference at 1080p, but then the average framerates at 1080p were 268 vs 298 which is over 10%. Shouldn't these be the same?
It’s confusing but he’s basically comparing the 1080p 1v1, like for example if ryzen gets 10% more fps, but intel gets 8% more fps in another game, then the difference is only 2%, I think that’s how he calculates the difference in percentage fps.
@@zoid99dollars shouldn't that be the same thing, just with extra steps? I guess if I really want to know I'll have to do the math myself when I have time... depends how bored I get lol
SUM of percentage framerate diffs in games (2,51%) != percentage DIFF of sum of framerates (> 10%)
I got my I7 13700k for $380 at MicroCenter. So I'm happy with that.
I decided to finally upgrade build a new PC this Fall, a Christmas present to myself. I'm not going for a 4xxx GPU or waiting for RDNA3, but chose a 6800X instead. That doesn't mean I can't still try to pick up a 7900XTXTXTX sometime down the road, but given pricing trends, I'm completely done with buying the latest GPUs. The machine I'm "demoting" is a 3900X / 2080Ti, and I need both the CPU and GPU to be significantly faster to justify the move. Given the AM4 growing pains I suffered, and the likelihood that this new build will serve my needs for longer than AM5 is current (making drop-in CPU upgrade a moot point), I went with the 13700K.
i was litterally looking for this thank you. goated channel
Kinda nice to see AMD winning the gaming section.
Next thing you know, AMD gonna sponsor the next CSGO Major lmao
Nvidia optimizes hard for AMD CPU's. Because 7000 series was new there were issues on launch but Nvidia is fixing those.
considering there is a whole 8 more cores used in i7, 100% more... the 10-35% difference in performance is awkward.
Literally I really wanted this video
I liked the comparison, you did a good job making things as fair as possible, only thing i would say that's in intels favour is they can go much faster than 6000 on ram speed. AMD caps around the 6000 used from what has been said by reviewers, so with faster ram we could see Intel coming closer or beating(at a largely significant increase in price though)
The 13700K is more like a 7900x competitor with both having the same thread count.
13700k uses about 70 watts more power under load, compared to 7900x.
That means a bigger more expensive cooler for the 13700k.
Intel Raptor Lake uses too much wattage, those chips are not really competitors to the excellent Ryzen 7000 series.
I just purchased a 7700x. Going to be my first AMD build since the Athlon 64 almost 20yrs ago.
Did you sell your house and kids to pay for the motherboard?
@@tilapiadave3234 Just the kids, I can make more.
it feels unreal seeing you at 550k subrscribers! i got the opportunity to ask you on twitter on what laptop should i get when you're at 15k subs! thank you a lot jarrod! 1m subs is definitely coming soon!
Ordered Ryzen 7 7700x and MSI 650P. Will be delivered to me today. Upgrading from i7 6700.
AMD becomes Intel
Intel becomes AMD
in terms of multicore and core count, so does Single core performance
It is true that 7900X costs more than 13700K, but it is more approriate comparison in terms of the spec and core count. Initial higher price of 7900X will pay off in a longer run on AM5 platform, as users will be able make easy and cheaper single CPU upgrade rather than buying entirely new system from Intel. This is actually going to be far more expensive in a longer perspective, as Raptor Lake platform cannot be upgraded. Please make another comparison with 7900X. Much appreciated.
No one buys a top-of-the-line CPU two generations in a row. That upgrade path is a nonfactor.
7900x cheaper than 13700k in my country
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorAMD supports their socket more than 2 years lol. And pretty much everyone upgraded from 10th,11th gen to 12th gen. It’s really F’n annoying to have to buy a new mainboard, new ram, new NVME drives..
Thanks for the nice review!
I'll take the 7700X for sure. It already came down to 420€ in my area while the 13700K is still at 494€.
Much higher efficiency and the better features and longevity of the platform make it the obvious choice for me.
amd cpus are stoves dont waste money on amd cpus or gpus man, intel and nvidia all the way, I made a mistake buying the 5900x 2 years ago but i am never trusting amd again
@@f0lzen same me, never touching amd again only intel.
Don't listen to the guys above, they have no idea what they are talking. This year Intel is probably better if you are taking only the performance, but overall AMD should come out on top if we are talking about platform. Also AMD builds are great.
@@1990lietuva Meteor Lake (intel 14th gen) will put the last nail in amd coffin.
@@1990lietuva I don't see Intel in front in performance. 13900K and 7950X are almost even in performance in all use cases.
For gaming 7600X and 7700X make more sense than 13600K and 13700K though, while also being cheaper and way more efficient. I hope Intel can come up with something good very quickly. Just another 200MHz more on a 13900KS won't be enough to compete with Zen4X3D. Not even close.
Seems like 7700x has much better price to performance, and in half games, better performance in general. But if you are graphic designer, animator, and things like that, it’s better to pay more for intel
i7 13700k + z690 mobo
just update the bios
all goods since am5 mobo are crazy expensive
hello there.
At 1080p on page "Cost per frame" you had a difference between Intel and AMD 20%, although AMD's common increase of performance in the games was 2,5%. Even If add a price difference, about 10%(with FK version of Intel), don't get 20%
Just ordered this.. 3000Euro.. hope its a good mix..
Phanteks Eclipse G360A Mid Tower (black)
ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti OC
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
Corsair H100x ELITE cooler RGB (black)
Kingston FURY Beast RGB DDR5 5600MHz 32GB
Kingston M.2 NV2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 2TB
ASUS PRIME X670-P WIFI motherbord
Corsair RMe Series RM750e PSU
its crazy how fast technology is advancing..or is it? I bet processors with similar specs could have easily come out five years ago but then the gap would be huge.. Its all about market control giving the masses more and more things to consume when in most cases they dont even need them. I will be sticking with my trusty i5 11400 that handles everything i throw at it be it work or games..
I read a comment some time back saying that Intel was supposedly holding chips that were meant to be released in 2030, but are now close to having to sell them thanks to competition
I've read we're reaching the point of diminishing returns with silicon. maybe graphene or crystal cpus in the future?? or cpus running on rat brains
@@icyycold1094 yeah, if intel actually tried to innovate and switched to 10nm/7nm early, they would have had a much better chance to fair against amd, and maybe even beat then. We could have gotten the 13900k like 5 years ago!
1 percent lows are more important than the average framerate
Me watching this video on my i5-4200U laptop: Interesting
This is the one I've been waiting for!
As a full HD Gamer i took the 7700x for my new PC. Maybe a bit slower now but i can upgrade it in some years with a Ryzen 9900x3d or so :D
So you admit you are incapable of changing a motherboard ,,, my 9 year old son can do that for you :)
I wasn't expecting this, Thought you would drop an RTX4080 video
Would be nice to see power draw of these cpus and of entire systems while doing light tasks or idling.
AMD uses MASSIVE more power at idle ,, but the AMD fanboys ALWAYS want to pretend their PC's are running at 100% load 100% of the time. The REAL life power draw is being investigated and things in REAL life are going to be a MASSIVE shock for the one eyed AMD girlies
Does anyone care about power draw when idle or doing light stuff?
Let's say 13700k is 40 watts lower at idle, compared to 7700x. So 7700x costs maybe 2 dollars per month more on the electric bill? Who cares?
@@DerekDavis213 It is CRAZZED AMD shills that keep RANTING on about Intel uses more power ,, indeed they do at PEAK performance which in reality is NOT at all often. I just enjoy seeing the TRUE facts of "real world" power consumption being investigated in order to make them realize how daft they are.
@@tilapiadave3234 The *REASON* that people care about peak power consumption, is because that determines how big and expensive the cpu cooler has to be, and maybe how noisy the cpu cooler is.
Peak power matters. Nobody gives a tish about idle power!
In USA, many people spend $15 every day for coffee and gasoline to drive to work.
$2 per MONTH on the electric bill is nothing. For real.
@@DerekDavis213 Unfortunately, the US is not the entire world.
I am sold, Going with Ryzan 7 7700x for my new build Ty fer video
I’m running an I7 6700k right now and looking at finally upgrading my entire computer. I’m torn between 13700k and a 7000 series. I like the performance of the Intel but it’s an end of life product. The 7000 is supposedly supported to 2025. Seeing as I upgrade about every 6-8 years and how fast technology is progressing. I dont know if I should just stay with 7000 and have option to upgrade to their latest and last cpu before they move on to AM6. Since I just need to swap out CPUs. Just have no clue right now…lol
my brother, same here holding my extra juicy 6700k and no clue what to do.... just hunting the i7-13700k right now (465,50€ on spanish web) and
MSI PRO Z690-A for 189.90€, I can hold my ddr 4 but ddr5 is not expensive at all..... should I go or no?
If you went 13th gen now and don't plan on upgrading for a good few years, then that'd be a good option for you. Go for the previous gen mobo as the newer gen one isn't worth it and stick to ddr4. Means you'd have more money for a higher spec graphics card (if you're working with a specific budget)
I personally went AMD because I see it as a future investment as I have the potential to do incremental upgrades with my AM5 mobo without needing all new hardware. Currently running a 7900x with 32gb ddr5 ram and no graphics card. Waiting on the newer stuff before I decide between AMD/nVidia and new gen vs older gen. Leaning towards full AMD system currently though
AMD if you want longevity and cost savings over time. Intel is a dead end ddr4 platform and you'll have to buy all new stuff if you want to upgrade.
Just cos AMD mobo will be supported longer 99.99999% of all these guys will never stay on a 3 yr old mobo later when new CPU's come out, they'll want a new mobo with all the new technological advancements. If you plan on keeping your new rig for 5 years (which is easily good common sense cos they last even longer than that) then just go intel, or if you want to pay out the ass for ddr5 go amd.
@@miked6367lol, people are spending crazy money on high end motherboards now, like Maximus and Dark Hero and crosshair….trust me, they’re keeping em if they could.
I know nobody asked and I can't even buy it but I think i7 is overall better because gaming performance is almost the same but huge difference in all other workloads
GREAT HAVING INSIGHTS THANK YOU SO MUCH
Both seem to be competitive, thanks for testing Jarrod.
The 7700x is on sale in the US for $349. 7000 series discounts have started
for a mere 15-20% difference... that pricetag is heavy, i think ill stick with the AMD processor...
Thanks for the analysis! It seems like Intel is the better CPU here, but I still intend to get to get a full-AMD rig in the near future - not really for the upgradeability (although that would certainly help) but mainly because AMD has been doing some good work and (I feel) is therefore deserving of my money. Plus, that power efficiency is gonna save me a little bit on my electricity bill, and I suppose that also makes it ever so slightly more environmentally friendly. Can't wait for the launch of the RX 7000 series GPUs!
Don't forget Eco Mode.
its a waste of money and performance to go to the 7700x over the 13700k
@@branchprediction9923 fanboys at their peak:
power efficiency is a myth, if you are not pushing your machine to 100% all the time, intel saves tons of power. many of the reviewers are too vague to even notice how more ryzen consumes in idle and normal usage compared to intel. think of this way, if your PC is used 10 hours per day including 6 hours in gaming (which is pretty close both sides), for the extra 4 hours a ryzen system will be eating up 30-40w more. and yes it adds up.
@@warriorwizard6039 do u have a counter argument?
Everyone can call someone a fanboy.
I love LOVEEE my 7700x Rig its absolute Monster of a PC
Both CPUs are on sale but price difference is now $68. Ryzen still seems better value
The difference in productivity is much higher than the difference in gaming so i think that the 13700K is the best choice.
Considering also that you must buy a new motherboard if you want the 7700X then probably the 13700K is the best choice in this moment. You have to consider that the cost of the AM5 mobo is high, and maybe if you want a future-proof platform the best choice is to wait until the cost of AM5 mobo/cpu will be lower.
Yes, seems like the new AMD cpus are obsolete already. The x3d versions won't help productivity either so I guess AMD has nothing to challenge intel. If AMD has nothing significantly better that they are working on I guess they'll become irrelevant again.
@@atnfn Yeah probably if you already have a ryzen 3000 or a 5000 and you still want AMD, a better choice is to wait until there are better deals and the previous Ryzen are still great. This time Intel is more convenient and compelling.
the higher wattage of the intel cpu needs +100 to 150W on the PSU alone.
Could you look at value again now that pricing has really changed and companies are getting more aggressive? I picked up a 7700x, 32 DDR5 6000 ram, and Asrock X670E PG Lightning combo from Newegg for $500 after discounts, and they threw in a free copy of Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. I had to take a double take before hitting add-to-cart, but the deal was just too good to let go. I've got other top-end systems from both Intel and AMD, but I really wanted to build something that focused on efficiency first, then solid content creation and gaming performance. I plan to bundle it with an RTX 4070 Ti and call it a day. I'm moving back to AMD from Intel simply because of the power draw and the difficulty trying to keep the 12900 or 13900 class processors at reasonable temps.
Anyway, I'd be curious to see how they stack up today on value.
Cheers
Rick
Thank you for your excellent video once again, Jarrod.
I like how you get right to the point
7800X3D is gonna be interesting for games.
Will be WAY overhyped and WAY over-priced same like the WASTE of Sand they call 5800X3D
@@tilapiadave3234 5800x3D is neither overpriced or a waste of sand. It's an amazing CPU which is priced where it should be for what it offers, which is by far the greatest gaming performance on AM4, which rivals, and sometimes even beats current 7000 and 13000 offerings.
@@ALph4cro 5800X3D is EXTREMELY overpriced and hence a waste of sand, Show me ANY 20 games that it gives 250% higher frame rates than a R5 5600 ( non x ) ? It costs 250% more , so here , go ahead , JUSTIFY your waste of sand??? CANNOT.
@@tilapiadave3234 Respectfully disagree. If you want absolute best, it's priced alright. R5 5600 is awesome if you're on a budget.
@@ALph4cro If you want THE BEST then it would be the 13900k , simple as that. I cannot see ANY way that a 5800X3D represents value ,,, i have looked at it from many directions and it is simply OVER-PRICED and under performing and just an AMD fanboy legend without reason. But in the end it is their money to spend as they want :)
Given the way iGPU has a chance to mess around your games I say not having one could improve stability and compatibility toward the future when they stop updating them.
Add extra performance but later on in the future might bring compatibility issues as well.
Since the 13700k can handle faster ram than the 7700x, i wonder how much performance would increase with 6400mhz cl32 or higher.
For the love of gob, don't make everything the same color. Intel = blue, AMD = red or green or anything other than Intel!
Weird thing this gen is that names and prices don't really align. Maybe 13600k vs 7700x could make sense as well.
nah not really seeing motherboards are more expensive on amd
@@Frozoken But the cheaper motherboards on intel are missing many features.
@@abaj006 what is the missing feature that is important for you?
@@Frozoken But these CPU are closer in performance
@@Pamani_ but amd is 150usd more expensive than the 13600, not talking on more expensive MB and RAM. RIP AMD
you really have to also include mobo price in cost per frame analysis...otherwise its incomplete at best
This doesn’t make sense as with AMD you are paying for three generations of upgradability where Intel is going to change socket next generation.
@@ass5kickin of course it makes sense.
@@ass5kickin That or just divide the cost by two or so to account for that. In my mind my mobo essentially cost $50 because it lasted for two cpus, cutting the cost in half.
Prices in general does not make sense to apply, as they will differ over time and from region to region. It sets a false narrative, by people to lazy to calculate their own price/performance.
@@ass5kickin youre getting value out of the insane upfront cost if, and only if, you upgrade frequently and you stay with AMD. i don't like the deal.
for example, locally prices start from $100 for 1700 and $250 for AM5. potentially $150 worth of impact in cost per frame analysis...
yeah, cpu prices vary globally and fluctuate over time, but the calculation for people who build now in order to play now, not in 2025, is missing quite a significant piece...
Nice comparison. Thanks 😘
Great video man thank you so much!
Glad you liked it!
13th gen and ryzen 7000H series gonna be great wonder what next gen laptop gonna leap into
13900K vs 7950x
13700K vs 7900x
13600K vs 7700x
Is the real deal. As AMD will drop prices as it always have and if someone watches this video after 6 months the whole situation would be different.
I recently decided to build a new pc for the first time in almost a decade. I bought the ryzen cpu but now I’m deciding against my purchase as I have no knowledge or experience with AMD. Plus the current price of DDR5 is just way too much for what I’m willing to spend. This video helped a lot with finding an intel cpu to replace it with so thank you very much!
I like Intel's CPU a lot. However, I like the idea of forward compatibility with AM5, especially as a gamer.
Intel has come a LONG way these last few years in offering VALUE. I had expected THIS platform to be the 4 year platform but it will be the next one ,, from what i understand Intel will make 15th Gen on a 2100 pin connector and then offer at least 4 years platform longevity
@@tilapiadave3234 there is no value of you buy a dead end ddr4 platform and are forced to completely overhaul your system next time.
If you buy Ryzen you are set for the next 3-5 years without needing much changes and money.
@@singular9 Value is subjective to each person. You now how long 5 years in the tech world is? AM4 looked great because Intel was stagnant and 10th and 11th gen were terrible. Once Intel dropped 12th and 13 Gen AM4 wasn't looking so hot.
Would you recommend the i7 14700k over the 13700k ? Because currently the 13700k is not available for me to buy..
Depends on the price difference, the 14700K has extra E cores, so better multicore performance, and slightly better single core.
Hi Jarrod. Can you please add streaming test also . like streaming some game to youtube or twitch through obs with chrome and some basic apps running in background? For me this the most important test as this will help better to get something or not
thanks ! your tests are very helpful since i use handbrake and not everyone is including it fr testing.
I would have loved if you would include testing the 7700 or 7700X in Eco mode to kinda simulate the 7700, since the 7700 non X isnt much slower but comsumes less power, i would have loved to see the efficiency results.
but anyways, thanks for the testing, i also like your clear Graphs. its very easy readable.
also if you would have included the results from the 13600 and 7600 even if you dont talk about them would be cool for comparison.
I just opened both your Videos to Compare the 13600k to the 7700X.
i love amd before but honetly they need to step up the naming scene and pricing. they are so good now in gaming, but lost too much on productivity. 7700x should be the 7600x. or make 7900x as 7800x for $449.
so 7600x 6/12 $299
7700x 8/16, $379
7800x 12/24 $449
7900 16/32 $549
We went from intel crushing amd to amd crushing intel to close competition... this benefits us consumers
Hi. Wich one is better for streaming and playing?
Intel is better by performance
BUT
AMD is resurected competition so now wanna more money for they CPUs and they are not bad at all.
My choice is AMD for long socket support, competition resurection etc.
skip both, wait for 7000X3D with V-cache and better mobo prices as current mobos should drop in price with new boards released
I like both but amd is just fitting with my life : I'm trying to find something I want for as good but cheap as possible
In my country (EU) now you can get the RYZEN 7900X for almost the same price of 13700k.
Uh. No overclocking? That is where Intel shines.
I always love how folks who just play games and watch RUclips videos pretend to know anything about CPUs. All of this comes down to usage if you’re just playing games and watching RUclips either will work plus none of you will notice any type of spec difference. If you’re doing video production, 3D rendering, or using ARC Gis then we can talk about differences. To many know it alls here who don’t get paid to engineer these pieces of equipment I always feel ashame to help bring such innovations to the market.
7700x now, then upgrade to X3D later, then upgrade again to 8700x and beyound. CPU's are easy to swap and easy to post, repackage and resell.
I was all for AMD when they were the underdog. Now, I have to go with Intel as AMD is supporting Microsoft's Pluton
If you don't know what this is, please look it up! Pluton has the potential to be really bad
Is there a poll of how many people actually do drop in upgrades? Would be interesting to know from a general gamers vs people watching this...
7700X price is cut down already to compete with i5 13600K not 13700K.
LMAO ,, a few dollars ,, but motherboards still a TOTAL rip-off and still no DDR4 option
True, 7700X is down to 420€, while 13700K is still at 494€. Intel needs to drop prices to become competitive again.
An extra 155 watts electricity usage on full whack, that adds on significantly in power costs.
The 7700x is a gaming CPU, beats 5800x3d and 12900k... at 1440+
Great work as always. Maybe for ram, you should go for 5200 and 6000 for amd and 5600 and 6400 for intel and 3200cl14 for ddr4 for intel and 5000-series.
Going DDR4 has a bigger effect on 13th gen CPUs and sometimes it's pretty big. I could see doing that if you're trying to do a budget build but buying a 13700K and then throttling it sounds like a waste of money.
@@johndoh5182 you are right, but for an i5 or r5, its good to see the minimum-budget -performance! maybe even get a msi pro b660m-a, b550m-ds3h (which i have) and a b650m-ds3h (for 160$ on newegg).
Im gonna buy a 4070 ti super, but should i buy with ryzen 7 7700 or core i7 14700kf?
Great video mate!
currently trying to chose in between 7700X or 7600X
If possible, Could you please do this same vs video between these two ?
Gaming only: 7600x
Need to do some work too: 7700x
338$ 7700x from China + 389 $ X670E motherboard - best choice
Based on the gas prices and utilities, I'd rather go with AMD.
Pair it with a titanium psu,
absolute energy efficiency.
Great video!!!