Regarding the quality of these remastered tracks, I'm going to hold off on digging into the whole thing until we get a clearer picture. At the moment I'm just focusing on how cool this is. If it turns out these are lazy port jobs then sure, we'll talk about it.
wanting mario kart 9 is god damn nonsensical since **when** has there _EVER_ been 2 mario karts on 1 nintendo system? Mario kart is only getting a sequel per console
Very true, and to put it in a better perspective, after the DLC is done, it would have had a support and lifespan of nearly 10 years. Longest supported Mario Kart, lol!
But MK8 + Deluxe will have the content of 3 Mario kart games, 96 tracks verses the usual 32. This makes the wait for a new iteration far more acceptable.
@@Luminoth-il1yt It's quantity over quality. Recycling old courses isn't fun, especially if they're so basic looking like the ones in the booster pack. Doesn't really make up for the long wait for actual new content.
And it's only been on 2 Systems. WiiU and Switch. So it's not even been overly ported, Iwata wasn't wrong when he said one game can change an entire console and this is that one game doing it still to this day, Just by being a fun time Is all MK8 needed to do on the WiiU and it did it, I didn't expect it too be #1 on the switch. It was only dethroned by New Horizons for like a few months. I can understand nintendo not wanting to kill the gaming community the game has grown since 2014.
The creator of this channel deserves all the props. Sometimes I forget I'm watching a puppet talk about Mario Kart, and it just feels natural at this point. Been subbed for a long time now, but. Acknowledging talented work
Honestly, I’ve been expecting this for a few years. I’m mostly just surprised it didn’t happen sooner. I view this as a great opportunity to fix the biggest fault of mk8dx: no Waluigi Pinball
I know its a big meme by now, but your totally right. Waluigi is my Favorite Mario charakter since i saw him in Mario Kart DS. Also because his purple is just my favorite color.
Im kind of concerned that there will be no Waluigi Pinball because all tracks have unique music. And if they do make it, which I hope they will, they’ll use the same music as Wario Stadium.
Personally, I think they held off on 8 DLC for the Expansion Pack of NSO. They wanted it as a selling point for the new online plan and waited until that was around to release it. It also fits with the idea that Nintendo is going to keep putting their DLC expansions on NSO for free, that’s the selling point of said Expansion Pack. It’s literally a Pack of Expansions.
I took it as the other way around. A lot of people still don't see the NSO expansion as worthwhile so Nintendo said "what games do we have that we can make some DLC for to include and draw people in?" I don't think they were planning MK8 DLC at all until recently. They may have been working on MK9, but it was always going to be for the next generation. It's likely that supply chain issues pushed the next gen switch (and MK9 with it) back to at least 2024 so this DLC drip-feed for the next 2 years helps alleviate both problems.
@@Kirlac That's simply not true. The courses look too far into development (even with many of them just being upscaled) to have just thrown this together as a backlash response. Game dev isn't that quick.
I think this also. Maybe they held it or even when they knew they were doing the Expansion Pass and needed things that could make it seem valuable they looked at their games and though Mario Kart sold like crazy and people like new tracks. Either way, I think it has way more to do with the Expansion Pass than it does with another console or Mario Kart 9, but I don't know either.
It's true that development takes a long time, but keep in mind that Nintendo also knew about the expansion pack long before they revealed it to the public. Actually, the idea of the Mario Kart DLC being developed FOR the expansion pack seems to line up. The simpler textures on the tracks they showcased would make development time faster, and the fact that it's being released in waves instead of all at once technically lets Nintendo add value now and finish the DLC later. I'm not saying that this is what happened (I also think that Arlo's theory makes a lot of sense), but it is interesting to think about at least.
It hit me yesterday that this year marks the 30th anniversary of the Mario Kart series. I bet that has a big part in why this is happening. Kind of strange that they didn't seem to say that outright though.
Nintendo doesn't tend to focus too much on anniversaries if they're not Super Mario. You might see Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby get some love, but usually nowhere near the same extent and entirely because other studios put in the effort on Nintendo's behalf (HAL, TPC). The anniversary probably didn't factor in much at all, hence why they didn't seem to mention it.
While i think they saved 9 like you said, i dont think they took the retro tracks from that game and ported them to 8 DX with the dlc. What they probably did was they saved 9 (fairly recently because 8 DX just doesn't stop selling), giving the dlc team not that much time to work on. Then, the dlc team decided (because of time issues) to take the mk tour versions of the tracks (faster to do, and takes less effort), polished them a bit, make some more tracks like Coconut Mall in the same style and called it a day. Properly why the tracks looks so bad in quality compared to the original tracks in deluxe.
Personal theory they had nothing Planned for Mario kart 9 so far and this dlc Exists because of the new Nintendo switch online Expansion thing With part of the idea of it being to make DLC for the most popular game and give it for free for members and with Mario kart as Popular as it is Chosen to be one of the games to get dlc And why most of the tracks are from Mario kart tour is to save money and time for the new tracks being made they still look like Mario kart tour so they can use it later in Mario kart tour
100%. These aren't new retro tracks from MK9; they're ports from Tour. I'm confident this exact Coconut Mall version will eventually come to Tour. They likely will release things in a different order because it will make MK fans want to keep playing (and paying for) both this and Tour.
Massive part of this DLC that I'm shocked you missed: the online expansion. They're including the DLC with expansion subscriptions and that alone explains a lot about this decision. It's a very safe bet for getting people hooked on paying for the expansion and that's the biggest way the services like this draw in money.
@@gooberfish11 Yep, you'll basically get each course for "free". You're still paying for the expansion pass itself obviously but it seems like Nintendo is wanting to load the expansion pass with DLC and a bunch of random stuff so jury is still out on the actual value of it
@@gooberfish11 Yes and no. You will have access to the DLC while you pay the expansion service making the DLC "free". But you will lose access to the DLC once you stop paying the service or the service shuts down in the future.
Still not worth double the base service's price. I understand that it's a convenience thing, but I feel like they announced it way earlier than they should have.
I hope they do a surprise when the first "pack" comes out: each pack comes with 1 new character as well! They're much easier to add than, say, a Smash character. Just fitting the model into a kart and setting a weight. Still, it's always great for players because you can play AS King Bob-omb or whatever.
That would be a great addition! Although I do have my doubts due to the strange roster we already have I would hope that they redesign it so that certain characters fit under the same slot like the differently colored Yoshis and Shy Guys, which mainly applies to the several Marios and Peaches as well as the Koopalings so that they don't take up an entire row. Obviously previous characters should return like Funky and King Bob-omb but some new characters would be really cool to see as well.
There's more than just fitting then into a kart and setting a weight. You must add animations, set up the adaptive animations which can't be easy. Set more than weight, which is speed, acceleration, grip and more. Record or take old voice lines and plan those out. Fix logo, colour scheme, and actually doing the model and texturing. It's less than for Smash, but it's still a lot of work.
Just bring back Funky and give us Captain Falcon. If they won't give us F-zero, give us the man himself in a racing game. Like the NHL lockout years back, and they started playing in russia. if you are not gonna let your boi ply, he will play elsewhere.
I think they would've mentioned something like this if it were the case, especially since the first pack comes out in a month. (But I'd sure love to see them add new characters anyway)
The graphics scare me yet I can’t complain how we’re gonna have 96 courses. It’s just gonna be obvious when we see a dip in quality when over half of the graphics don’t compete with the original courses
To me it mostly seems to be a case of lighting. Mario kart 8 has a really good lighting engine that really makes the environments pop but it appears to be absent in these courses and are even more obvious for the mario kart tour tracks. I do hope not too many are from tour mostly due to how mind numbingly basic they are since they were designed for phones. They will not translate well to console. Still I'm remaining optimistic. Doubling the games content alone is a pretty big deal, I think I can tolerate a slight visual drop and even then it's not like they look bad. I'd definitely rather play this choco mountain than the N64 version.
The actual graphics seem fine, its moreso that they still have the old MarioKart style and not the more detailed and interesting touch-ups the basegame retro tracks got.
Nintendo actually extended the lifecycle of Tour because of the delayed new Mario Kart announcement. Mario Kart Tour is going to last a couple of years because of this dlc.
@@Daniel328DT Not to mention Tour still maintains its biggest incentive -- its karts, drivers, and alt costumes. With MK8DX lacking those, Mario Kart Tour will still have stuff going for it. MK8DX is already getting all its DLC courses from Tour. If it had its characters and karts too, Tour would have very little left to call its own.
“apps don’t last forever”. Yeah especially when Nintendo thanos-snaps them out of existence because they don’t make whatever unreasonable amount of money they expect it to generate despite it being a fun game that could totally work offline theoretically (cough cough dr mario world cough)
@@DaNintendude It's still a mobile game, there's always going to be an incentive to play it, despite having similar content to the console game, seeing they're very different markets IMO.
I think this was an amazing business decision. Rather than cannibalize themselves like happened with the Mario Parties, they add on to their existing success.
Definitely. If this works out for them, I can easily see them applying this formula to Mario Party Superstars or make a new game that isn’t just legacy boards and minigames and expand on that for a few years
I think the difference is Mario Party Superstars had to save the franchise so to speak. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was already the ultimate Mario Kart game. There’s no reason to release a new one until a more powerful switch comes out. Doesn’t hurt that it sells amazingly well of course.
Graphically, I'm a little concerned, and I'm surprised I don't see any RUclipsrs discussing it. The previous returning DLC tracks looked like huge adaptations, with tons of details in the background with gorgeous textures and lighting. From what we've seen of these DLC tracks however...it seems very simplistic. We haven't even been shown a single twisting gravity section. I wanna get it, but I do hope this isn't some rush job because "people will buy it whatever". Mario Kart 8 is still an astoundingly beautiful game despite being 8 years old - there's no reason for this DLC to be missing the same effort and polish. Fingers crossed my fears are unfounded
Gravity sections haven't really added anything to the tracks honestly. It's not like they've messed with gravity before with loops. Plus when you play the game, you don't even notice the gravity section due to the camera tilting with you.
@@WindyWooshes For the maps they have teased you would hope that they'd be at least be mostly finished. As of right now they just look like they are ported from tour but with better lighting, it's a bit jarring that they don't have the detail of 8's original tracks. It's a little bit weird but I'm still excited to get it.
To be fair, the majority of the tracks we were exposed to in the trailer were from the back camera, which, while not excusing the huge difference in quality, should at least be mentioned from how the Switch handles processing backgrounds that aren’t in front of the usual POV.
Here’s my theory: Nintendo didn’t originally plan to have any DLC for MK8 Dx. But after seeing how successful Smash’s character packs were and how well MK8 Dx sells they decided to do this. If MK8 Dx didn’t sell like a brand new game they maybe would’ve made 9 but the large expansion passes for top selling games is working
I’m kinda torn on what to think about this DLC, on the one hand at $25 for the entire number of current Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tracks is a really good price point, but at the same time the disparity between the OG release and this second set of Mario Kart DLC on DLC feels way out of place. Graphics wise I don’t think it looks too bad but it’s incredibly glaring there’s a lack of most work going on in texturing for courses like Choco Mountain and Toad Circuit, and with it once you see it it’s very hard not to think about. I’d be hopeful they touch up the graphics at least a bit, but with just over a month until the first wave is released, I’m highly doubtful of a good overhaul. Nintendo gonna Nintendo I guess?
Let’s be honest here. The vast number of people who own a switch owned a Wii. And lots and lots of Nintendo fans don’t care if the textures look 4K 1080p all the time. As long as it’s not THAT noticeable, it’ll sell just as well because people love MKWii and LOVE coconut mall regardless. Having coconut mall in the first wave is a genius decision cause it’ll get the billion people who had MKWii to buy the DLC. Simply put, I have lots of friends who like Mario Kart but couldn’t care less about Nintendo Directs and such and all their gonna see is Coconut Mall remade from their childhood. It’s really simple and super affective
What's really bizarre to me is that the reason why the tracks look more simplistic is because they're all using the art direction from Mario Kart Tour. The problem being Mario Kart tour really doesn't look like 8.
Cuz he don't have anything meaningful to say on it. Of course it adds real value to the expansion pass; considering acnw and mk8 are among the top 5 selling games on switch, its the best way to add a great deal to the most amount of people. And if you have a family plan with lots of people on it, the dlc and perks with having extra games some never got to play or finish in the past.. It pays for itself!
@@bigtoblerone8446 "it pays for itself!"** For 1 year, then you're at an immediate loss in value. Which is a lot of time, but is very important to consider.
Yeah he didn't talk about that because he already has extensively in his expansion pass video. Ignore the other commenter saying of course it adds value, it may well but you should go listen to Arlos actual opinion before letting him be misrepresented as "having nothing to say" by a moron commenter
@@laterbot OP is referring Arlo's last video where he said, "Adding the DLC to the expansion pass is not adding value to the expansion." He then said that it would be another video. The person who replied asserted that Arlo doesn't know what he is talking about. (Personally, I'm curious since I don't agree with his statement.) I think it is more moronic to call someone a moron without understanding what exactly is being discussed.
Honestly I like the offer they're presenting. They still aren't getting me to buy the NSO Expansion Pack, but I'll gladly take 48 extra track. Though there is a noticeable lack of detail on the DLC tracks. I hope they at least finish that.
I figure the question raised 3 minutes in ("why did it take so long for this DLC to become a thing") was simple. Smash Ultimate is no longer their biggest hype machine, (unless they decide to do Fighter Pass 3 but with this news, that's unlikely), so now Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the game that's going to get the constant update spotlight. Since the Switch's launch, the sole reason many people watched Nintendo Directs or paid attention to Nintendo during huge events was for news regarding Smash Ultimate, base game or DLC. This is the first time since 2017 that Nintendo doesn't have Smash Bros hype to fall back on, so they're doing Mario Kart hype now. I'm fully on board with it too. Sure, there's not going to be new tracks but Mario Kart does have a lot of iconic/nostalgic tracks throughout its history that people love. Due to how many Switch owners have Mario Kart 8, this is likely to keep the attention of most Switch owners.
My biggest gripe with these new tracks is that since by the looks of it all of these are Tour quality and meant for mobile, there will be zero antigravity in this expansion, which makes me very sad considering it was the main gimmick of MK8, and I absolutely love how creative it allows the developers can be with track design. It’s sad to know that once this pack is done, only about a third of the tracks will feature what is basically the whole selling point of MK8. Also the render they used for the advertisement uses the antigravity karts, which is ironic considering none of the tracks they showed feature antigravity
I think GBA Sky Garden has an Anti-Gravity segment. But it’s pretty much what GBA Mario Circuit did, where it was just one specific curve that’s super steep…
@@tastyfalcon1788 Yeah, i'm with you on that one. and what TanookiTex said. Most tracks's antigravity is just one curve too steep most of the time and not that much interesting when it comes to the old tracks so, it doesn't affect much really. GBA Mario Circuit is basically Out Of Time from Crash Nitro Kart, a regular course with a big tower on the center that you go up and down, but even then out of time is more visually interesting...
sky garden definitely looks to have a fair amount of antigravity it's also worth noting that the appearance of the track in footage contradicts the icon they showed it with when showing the cups _(it has a grey road in the icon, like the tour version),_ meaning that while we can't say the tracks will all be the quality of mk8's previous 48 visually, they're definitely still doing more here than just porting from tour. i'd even say that's credence to the idea the visuals of the trailer probably aren't one-to-one with what the finished product is going to look like!
I'm very chill with this DLC, especially since basically half of Switch owners own this game. Really hope they add Waluigi's Pinball, Daisy Cruiser, Maple Treeway and Rainbow Road (MK7)!
I think they should add a ranked mode to dlc online play. That way they're less likely to split the hardcore playerbase. I get that there's already a form of ranking, but something more competitive would be nice.
This is the main reason that i'm glad that MK7 servers are still up and active, everyone is a god at the game and it's really fun at times. 8 Deluxe on the otherhand, feels a lot more casual, I never felt like it was all that competitive at all really. The next one really needs to have a ranked mode though, after 4 games, you'd think they'd have it already.
@@comfy88338 You clearly haven’t played enough of Deluxe online yet then. After reaching around 10k points, the difficulty skyrockets due to every bastard using a fat guy with a Wiggler on tiny wheels as their ride because of the fucking meta.
I just wish they would also bring some missing characters from Tour and other Mario Karts along the ride. I would love to play as Nabbit in a game where I don't only play him when he's the best choice on specific tracks
Personally, this move screams "troubled development cycle" to me. We just saw this occur with Street Fighter 5, where a additional whole season of DLC was announced and released. All because SV6 was, and debatably still is, in development hell and they needed to buy time.
I started typing my thoughts while I listened to you talk and you basically took the words out of my mouth. 100% agree with your theory that they DID explore making a MK9 for switch and changed their mind. Nintendo's big multiplayer games almost never release more than one per console. And especially in the age of online gaming, that's how it SHOULD be imho. Having as many players as possible with access to the same version of the game improves the experience for everyone, assuming they have the infrastructure to support it.
Seriously, people who talked about MK9 releasing this year have to have been joking, right? Nintendo has never released 2 Mariokarts on one console. _Never._ Learn from the past over trusting leaks. You’ll get a more realistic view of what’s gonna happen.
It honestly makes sense Because Most switch owners have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and parents are probably not going to want to buy a new Mario kart when we have Mario kart at home.
This is great. I'm still enjoying Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and I started 8 on the Wii U. My only concern like others have said is the new courses don't appear to be the same detail & polish as the original 8 levels.
On the one hand, I'm happy we're getting 48 new tracks and I'm looking forward to playing them - but if they are upscaled ports from Tour or otherwise rushed replicas like the footage suggests, part of me feels like it's wrong to tack all this cheap content onto a game that had the most creatively reimagined retro tracks in the series. Plus 48 retro tracks on top of the 24 existing retro tracks means that this is probably most if not every track ever. On the one hand, cool. It's like Smash Bros Ultimate. On the other hand, these tracks could have gotten a lot more care and attention in future games rather than using them to sell Online Expansion Pack subscriptions.
I think they may started DLC for it specifically as an incentive for NSO. They wanted to make the expansion pack better (at least that’s what they said) so they put into development several dlc for good selling games in order to achieve that.
Glad we're getting this content, but I feel that Mario Kart is now in the same boat as Smash Bros. There has been so much content crammed into Smash Ultimate and Mario Kart 8, that the next installment in either series is going to feel like a downgrade, unless they have a ton of content available right off the bat.
Personally speaking i'd just be down for some new mechanics to peak interest in gameplay more than a bigger number of characters and tracks/stages. Bigger doesn't always mean better after all.
I really hope things happen in a way that we get some new characters in 8 Deluxe. The original roster was so lacking that characters is what I want more then anything else.
I would love to but that would mean some effort for Nintendo and they want money for the least amount of effort so I dont think we will get new charcaters
I will admit, it does make me wonder if something odd is afoot with this DLC. As you said, 5 years later and... it looks like a lot of people are excited for a lot of new tracks, and that's cool and all but for the fact we waited so long I kind of feel like I would've liked something a little more. Maybe with each bundle there'd be 1-2 new characters coming, and/or new kart pieces added to the game, etc. Just my two cents.
When I saw it, I figured it was more of a panic button move, like "Uh oh, people are expecting Mario Kart 9 but we haven't nailed down the next big gameplay mechanic so we don't have anything to show. Well, we've got all of these old courses that didn't make it, so let's throw them together and let some Tour courses fill in the gaps to buy us some time."
Having this many tracks is hard to argue with. It’s like a whole new game. It’s definitely the best in the series aside from Double Dash. But they NEED to release Mario Kart 9 at launch for the next console.
Same here, superstars has more potential with more boards from the nintendo 64 mario party games, as well as a few new characters like diddy kong. Would be a real shame and a big disappointment if nintendo ends up not adding anything to the game at all.
I was thinking the same! They probably would do the same by adding Dlc to it with more boards and characters! It would be awesome seeing boards from the rest of the Mario party's apart from the first 3 since when I played the game I found it weird having mini games from all the Mario party's and just have 5 boards of the first Mario party games. Overall, it would be an amazing addition! Hopefully it comes true in it's time!
Same. I was looking forward to a new game with a mission mode, costumes, and maybe even… a track editor. But I don’t think we’ll see it until the earliest, 2 years after this DLC ends, 2025. And that’s if they start development on MK9 now. It could be even further than that. MK8 is at least going to drive past it’s 10 year anniversary which is really too long. It might last longer than GTA V and that spanned 3 console generations.
I disagree, I think, what happened was, they intended for Mario Kart Tour to be Mario Kart 9. But people weren't as invested in it as they wanted, it wasn't making the money they wanted, meanwhile, MK8 was still selling like a new game. So they changed tact, accepted that Tour was just seen as a spinoff that nobody really cared about, and shifted some of that support on to MK8, which is why most of the tracks we've seen in this DLC pack so far are tracks that already exist in Tour.
I think the reason why it took so long for the DLC to come out for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, is because they had no plans to make any. And then when they decided that they'd include things in the Expansion Pass version of Switch Online, Nintendo decided to port over Mario Kart Tour tracks, with touch-ups, over to MK8D as DLC.
@@ssjgotenks2009 except wii coconut mall was datamined from tour day 1 so altough it was never released to the public it is indeed in mario kart tour. Get your facts strait (also please fix your spelling its horrible to read)
for me this is practically a whole extra mario kart for like a fraction of the cost. Racing games like MK might as well be just an ever expanding game with new courses.
@@Mwarrior1991 You don't need to buy the extra nso pack to get the dlc, it's jut that if you have the extra pack then that dlc will be free for you, you can still buy it without the extra online for just $25
Looking at this from a business prospective, I think you are absolutely right. From a player perspective, I was like: "Okay but how are they not going to add any characters with all those tracks?" but now I see why.
With all the tracks that are gonna be in this game, a feature that would be cool to add would be custom cups. You could pick 4 tracks you like instead of being forced to use the premade cups where you might only like 1 or 2 of them. Or just pick 4 for a theme or various other reasons
The tracks may be ported from Tour, but the amount of tracks for how much it costs is worth it for me personally. Plus I get to experience these tracks without having to gamble to get the characters and karts I want. I hope to see N64 Bowser Castle, GCN Wario Colosseum and Wii DK Summit added
I agree They should add new character with this DLC. I only had a switch for a year so I was holding out on picking up MK8 because I have the WiiU version and thought their was a chance for MK9 on the Switch.....I guess I'll pick it up in time for the new tracks.
@@Wienerdog5 The rabbits from Odyssey, some common Mario enemies, characters from almost every Nintendo game as Inkling and Link is there. There is literally 100s of characters!
@@Buglin_Burger7878 ok, the broodals would be nuts in this game. Also zelda, captain falcon, ganondorf, and kamek. They might even do alternate colors like in smash bros.
@@thejokerstyle100 or add renado. I feel like a good take would be to add at minimum two more items. The game is never boring and always fresh but to add to the freshness. Yes mario Andretti should be in
As somebody who brings my switch with me absolutely everywhere (vacation, school, friend’s house, appointments, etc) I always make sure to have the Mario Kart cartridge with me because it is such a good game. There’s a reason for 1. It’s insane sales and 2. having Iterations on every Nintendo console and that’s because it’s an amazing game. While it can be lonely single player, it still can be fun to go for high scores, it has a fun online mode, and best of all it’s easy pick up and play for anyone. It’s not like smash where you have to have a degree for every character in order to use them correctly. It’s a simple and addicting gameplay loop which makes it easy for anyone, even my dad, to play. It makes sense Nintendo is adding DLC instead of releasing a new game, because why stop now when the momentum is high? I look foreword to playing the remastered classics, especially Coconut mall, and I hope my other favorite, Toad’s turnpike comes soon.
Smash doesn't have to be complicated unless you choose to make it complicated, though. Once you learn all the basic moves it's a very fun casual game, even if you don't "get a degree for every character"
The completionist in me is going to demand I get gold trophies on 50cc and 100cc, just like I've done on MK Wii, 7 and 8. (Don't remember about Double Dash or DS) That's at least 60 grand prix runs, or 240 individual races. O_O And I somehow did this 3 times already? _And_ with attempting to get 3 stars on all of them‽ I already knew I was insane, but sheesh!
From what I'm seeing this is part at least of what some Tour players seemingly want, and that is incorporate the assets there to the console games, although I think they would much prefer the new characters and alts, although maybe there is a surprise that maybe some of those would be added here.
I mean for 50 cents per course, it is really hard to complain. I know people are angry that the new courses have a different art style, but I think they still look good and not out of place.
i found sky gardens was the only course that fit the aesthetic of the base game and that was the only course that had to be built from the ground up (coconut and toad circuit were already remade in mk7 so there was only the requirement to port the base build of the courses and add in hd textures and up the polygons)
I can complain fairly easily. My complaint is that we already played these courses and it's been 8 years since Mario Kart has done anything new (and even for the people who first experienced the game with 8D, it's still been 5 years and that's enough to want the next thing).
I think you make such a good point with this title being already crossed over from WiiU and being the highest selling game on the switch. From an economical standpoint, it makes so much sense to delay MK9 for the next console
Even though I think MK8 is really bland, I think this is only a good thing. MK8 sells objectively, INSANELY well, and getting more money out of it is just smart. I hope that they'll do character packs at some point. Classic characters like Diddy, Birdo, and Funky, and even newcomers from Tour like Pauline and King Bob-omb. Good points all around Arlo. Also, nice hat.
Since the Tour Tracks come back there too, I hope that the Mega Mushroom comes back as item too!^^ Also, for me, it´s perfect since I didn´t care about Tour so I´m eager to see the tracks here on the Switch.^^
I think it’s a combination of a lot of things. 8 Deluxe’s sales, Tour’s existence, the end of Smash DLC to hype people up, plus my personal theory: it’s a way to add value to the Expansion Pass that isn’t just adding N64 games. In 2018 or 19 when it would have made more sense from a development standpoint there weren’t all of the ancillary factors. But now you have an app where someone is already doing work to rebuild older courses and make some new ones, you have a new membership thing that you can use DLC for the best-selling Switch game to push, and you know that the lifespan of the Switch is going to last a while longer. It makes more sense now than it would have back then.
I'll admit, I was suspicious of your theory at first, but as you explained it I realized that it does make sense. About the biggest argument against it is how Nintendo's decisions don't always make sense anyway.
@@-FutureTaken- It's really not. It's a much larger track with edges that bounce you around and a lot of boost panels and risky skips making it really chaotic, plus it has a Paper Mario 64 reference.
Your theory reminds me of what happened to Street Fighter 5. SF6 was facing development troubles so 5 got an extra season of new characters, stages and some other things
I have a feeling that this was put into development so that they could add it to NSO Expansion Pack, which makes wonder if other older games could get DLC out of nowhere so that they can pack it into NSO Expansion Pack
I know this DLC has caused lots of discussion, but to be honest, I'm just really glad we are getting new main Mario Kart console content in the first place. Tour may be mainline technecally, but I really missed getting new tracks with more traditional controls, so I'm really happy about this! Especially since tracks were always more important to me personally then characters (don't get me wrong, Diddy Kong not being in kart 8 deluxe is insanity)
My main concern is that the Mario Kart franchise has already reached its full potential. I kinda makes sense if you think about it. It's like the pinnacle of what they were trying to achieve with every instalment, just like Smash or Luigi's Mansion.
@@Gunplabro I agree. I think in order to make this dlc perfect, bring back items from double dash and new characters and a new battle mode. But I doubt they'll do that.
Wait Luigi's Mansion? I agree with the sentiment, hell, that's supposedly the sole reason they haven't made a new F-Zero. Buuuut, Luigi's Mansion is not that kind of game, those games focus on taking you through a different adventure with each entry rather than perfecting a formula like most party games.
I hate DLC in general, but this is just lazy. Every single track looks like garbage, and lacks any resemblance of a personality. Coconut Mall doesn’t even have escalators.
I was playing Mariokart Tour today, and noticed that the palm trees outside coconut mall are the exact same assets as the palm trees used in Los Angeles Laps in tour. Exact copy/paste it seems like.
New modes, new characters, effort lol. Anything. Leeching off the success of an 8 year old WiiU game instad of putting effort into a new game in a beloved, respectrd series Is a cash grab in itself
@@JordanMccaff I mean MK switch is literally the best selling switch game with a huge fanbase already. Why not add almost 50 tracks for 25 bucks instead of 20 tracks or whatever for 60 bucks.
Remaking tracks is almost definitely more work and effort than making a new mario kart character, you just need to model and animate the character and change the stats remaking a course takes so much more work and testing
My theory is similar to Arlo’s, but with a small difference. They have been working on 9 for years, and had planned all along for it to be a launch title for the next console. But then that launch itself was delayed, because there’s the chip shortage and the Switch just keep selling anyway. So they figured, like us, that’s a long time to go without some mainline Mario Kart content, the main team keeps working on 9 to make it super polished, but then they took a smaller team to port retro courses for 8, so we’d have something at least. If that’s the case, it’s a win-win in my eyes. Side note, I wish they focus on an awesome single player experience and a good battle mode in 9, apart from the excellent main racing mode.
Assuming this theory is true, how come then it wouldn’t just be the usual 16 tracks that would be remakes, like in most new mariokart games, this is 4 times that. Idk how much presence tour tracks will have, but even those aside, they’d still be making A LOT of new remasters
All the courses in Wave 1 are ported from Mario Kart Tour. It's likely all of the DLC will be courses from Tour. So the Mario Kart 9 retro tracks didn't get brought over like Arlo thought.
@@andrescardoso7731 Evidence from Mario Kart Tour datamining shows that Coconut Mall is gonna be in the game. There are many more unreleased courses hinted at in the files as well, including Shroom Ridge, among others.
What if Mario Kart 8 Deluxe still sells incredibly well at the time when the next system is released? It has 100 million copies sold. Maybe they'll further postpone 9 and release 48 more paid dlc courses for 8 deluxe?
See in my head, it makes more sense to me that they're making Mario Kart 8 the ultimate Mario Kart with all the cool tracks...because it might be the last. They might be going with the whole Nintendo Kart idea from now on which would mean Mario tracks wouldn't get as much of a focus and this is their last chance to remake and show off a bunch of them. Could be just me though
I don’t at all! Some of them have simple layouts, but the main reason they feel too simple and short is because tour has 2 laps instead of 3, plus some like Ninja Hideaway are really complex and would fit well in the main series.
I'm definitely happy they're doing more DLC for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe instead of just making Mario Kart 10. I'd rather be 100% guaranteed to be able to pick this game back up and be able to play as BoTW Link than run the risk of Link not even being in Mario Kart 10.
Ok so Arlo, the idea of this pack is better than getting a brand new mariokart game on switch in my opinion, when giving it a second thought. A new mariokart on switch would have to either stand out against mariokart 8, or it will be no different and just be different tracks for $60. The standout feature could end up controversial due to Nintendo’s need to re-invent the whee every time they make a game. For this DLC, it doubles the games content for the most part for less than half the price of the game. It’s better than getting a brand new, full priced game that isn’t different enough from the past game. This direction also doesn’t forsake newcomers to mariokart 8 deluxe, and it gives us who have had the game for 8 years, have a whole bunch of content of mariokart for us. I’d love a new Mariokart but I don’t see one happening till the next system.
I was super hyped when it was first announced, and I'm still happy with it overall, but...no new content is a bit lame really. Ideally, I'd love a new mode to open this game up and bridge the gap until the next MK (which undoubtedly doesn't happen on Switch). A new mode (MISSIONS!), with 1 new track in each wave (8 isn't unreasonable over 2 years), and maybe a character. But Nintendo is Nintendo, so you can't ever expect much when it comes to DLC.
@@VonFirflirch In terms of quantity, but not in terms of entertainment value. They're old courses. They're not as entertaining as something new and different. And we need new and different right now, MK8D and MKT are both being driven by tons of old content and we haven't had an original Mario Kart experience in 8 years.
I've been watching your channel for years, and it just hit me. I'm watching someone's hand inside a puppet talk to me about video games. And I look that hand in the eyes... Surreal.
They moved over Tour tracks, I don’t know if the mobile game is considered dead. It’s part of the expansion pass, trying to get more people to buy it while just reusing assets.
I think it’s a cool idea to bring old tracks back but god they look unfinished and lifeless compared to the ones in the base game. Theyre obviously ported from Tour which is yuck. Except the ones that arent in tour like Coconut mall. The tracks need to be polished honestly :(
It seems like it, though I don't think I'll be buying it because it looks like Nintendo cut some corners by porting the majority of Tour and not making it have a ton of detail like any other course in MK8DX. If they do actually put more detail and stuff in the courses, then I'll probably get it.
@@goldenninja9053 besides grass textures, which Wave 2 gave us, I have no clue what other details y'all want, the rocks are even more detail models, there is flowers everywhere, if you still don't think Wave 2 has enough detail then you're just a reamism freak, this artstyle is very pretty in Wave 2
Here's my theory: the later waves will have more 'refined, polished and remastered' tracks because they will have more time between releases. I base this on nothing, but I can't see them just 'now' making the tracks and rushing their completion, for all we know most of them are functionally complete and like I said they would focus on the later wave tracks while they have the extra time while the earlier waves will be more 'basic' and 'standard' Either way, to me these are new tracks regardless! And since I never played Tour, the Tour tracks are completely new to me! meanwhile you know what has my interest? To see how the GBA tracks will turn out! Just look at how the Cheese track and Ribbon Road turned out compared to the original tracks! If they keep that area of effort into the GBA tracks, I honestly really wish to see how the GBA Rainbow Road would turn out!
They ported so many Wii U games to the Switch & probably assumed it would be a decent hit. 8 Deluxe sold so damn well that it only makes sense that it would be the consoles Mario Kart. Tour as well is being used like another installment. I want Pauline on a console Mario Kart but it’s gonna be a few years.
(8:00) I think your hypothesis is incorrect simply based on the simple graphics. It's not tracks for a text game brought back to the current game. It's tracks from the mobile game brought over to the current game.
Gonna add my two cents about it because this case resembles the one related to Mario Party. At first, when the second one was announced I felt let down. I mean, the idea behind the first one was good, the different dices were a nice idea, the games were different enough from the previous ones with the friends' mechanics, but the boards were awful, no imagination in them, no traps, no minigames - it was barren. That game needed a DLC, with good new boards. But Nintendo made the right decision in launching a new one since the previous one had the detachable joycon as a requirement and could not be properly used in Switch Lite, moreover, the install base wasn't as big, thus creating a DLC for the game would be a major risk. Mario Kart doesn't suffer from the same problem, they have a great installed base, and frequent players. So, I think that Mario Kart Tour wasn't the success they were expecting, and since they put some effort towards the game, using a different engine and creating new courses - instead of wasting that potential, they would try moving those features to a proper console game. Therefore they had two paths: adding as a DLC or Creating a New game. The second option would break the sales from Mario Kart 8, they would have to create a game with a new gimmick or idea that would be a good enough reason to sell for $60 and convince the MK8 players to purchase the new MK9. As MK8 Deluxe has a new DLC coming, they probably didn't come up with anything new and decided to add those courses, and some more, as a DLC. I loved the idea, this game is now the ultimate Mario Kart game and will probably have the best courses of the series. Whenever Nintendo decides to create a MK9 they will be free to come up with something completely new, as fans will always have MK8.
@@Envy_May Well... THAT I didn't know Thx for the info, I've downloaded it on release and didn't like it, neither of my friends didn't, so I assume it was bad
My suspicion is that the Booster Pass was made specifically to make the Expansion Pass's price look better, odd for them to wait so long to release the DLC. Say it was originally Mario Kart 9, the gap between release of Mario Kart 7 and 8 was less than 3 years, say we apply the same thing after Mario Kart 9; 3 years after Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would have been 2021; and if the tracks are to be finished development by 2023, it would be safe to say that the game would be finished by then too. That would be the largest gap between Mario Kart releases, a whole 6 years between Mario Kart releases.
im a long time fan of the series and am extremely excited for the Booster Course Pass DLC, although i do think that this was something to keep the game alive since Mario Kart X will happen in the next system in 2024 (also per Nintendo Mario Kart Tour is Mario Kart 9) Also a few factors for the delay in DLC, ARMS and ARMS 2 development along with COVID factor
Regarding the quality of these remastered tracks, I'm going to hold off on digging into the whole thing until we get a clearer picture. At the moment I'm just focusing on how cool this is. If it turns out these are lazy port jobs then sure, we'll talk about it.
I hope toads factory is there it’s the best course
Alright
Do not speak at me with this tone sir
Im hoping that with this we won’t need a Mario Kart 9 for a while.
Them replacing the escalators in coconut mall with basic ramps with obvious arrows is the only red flag I needed 😔🚩
Fans: "We want Mario Kart 9"
Nintendo: *Turns the "8" sideways.*
😂
That would have been a clever name rather than MK8 Deluxe.
♾ until Nintendo’s Next Gen console most likely in 2025.
@@slenderfoxx3797 for the next one watch that or ten as long as they don’t do Mario Kart X lol
wanting mario kart 9 is god damn nonsensical
since **when** has there _EVER_ been 2 mario karts on 1 nintendo system?
Mario kart is only getting a sequel per console
It’s really insane when you think about the fact that Mario Kart 8 came out in 2014 on Wii U, the game will never die
Very true, and to put it in a better perspective, after the DLC is done, it would have had a support and lifespan of nearly 10 years. Longest supported Mario Kart, lol!
But MK8 + Deluxe will have the content of 3 Mario kart games, 96 tracks verses the usual 32. This makes the wait for a new iteration far more acceptable.
@@Luminoth-il1yt It's quantity over quality. Recycling old courses isn't fun, especially if they're so basic looking like the ones in the booster pack. Doesn't really make up for the long wait for actual new content.
mario kart 8 more like mario kart ∞
And it's only been on 2 Systems. WiiU and Switch. So it's not even been overly ported, Iwata wasn't wrong when he said one game can change an entire console and this is that one game doing it still to this day, Just by being a fun time Is all MK8 needed to do on the WiiU and it did it, I didn't expect it too be #1 on the switch. It was only dethroned by New Horizons for like a few months. I can understand nintendo not wanting to kill the gaming community the game has grown since 2014.
The creator of this channel deserves all the props. Sometimes I forget I'm watching a puppet talk about Mario Kart, and it just feels natural at this point. Been subbed for a long time now, but. Acknowledging talented work
Creator? Poor Arlo, never gets any credit.
Ikr, Arlo is a just a real person to me at this point
It’s almost like there’s a real person talking ?!?!?
What puppet?
What puppet? I thought we all knew that Arlo is just a blue monster who is very passionate about Pikmin.
Honestly, I’ve been expecting this for a few years. I’m mostly just surprised it didn’t happen sooner. I view this as a great opportunity to fix the biggest fault of mk8dx: no Waluigi Pinball
And no Mario kart 7 rainbow road
Yes, there needs to be Waluigi Pinball. 7 had Pinball but no Waluigi, 8 had Waluigi with no Pinball, what gives?
I know its a big meme by now, but your totally right. Waluigi is my Favorite Mario charakter since i saw him in Mario Kart DS. Also because his purple is just my favorite color.
Im kind of concerned that there will be no Waluigi Pinball because all tracks have unique music. And if they do make it, which I hope they will, they’ll use the same music as Wario Stadium.
*Wario coluseum
Personally, I think they held off on 8 DLC for the Expansion Pack of NSO. They wanted it as a selling point for the new online plan and waited until that was around to release it. It also fits with the idea that Nintendo is going to keep putting their DLC expansions on NSO for free, that’s the selling point of said Expansion Pack. It’s literally a Pack of Expansions.
Makes sense. I wonder if they'll do something for Odyssey
I took it as the other way around. A lot of people still don't see the NSO expansion as worthwhile so Nintendo said "what games do we have that we can make some DLC for to include and draw people in?" I don't think they were planning MK8 DLC at all until recently. They may have been working on MK9, but it was always going to be for the next generation. It's likely that supply chain issues pushed the next gen switch (and MK9 with it) back to at least 2024 so this DLC drip-feed for the next 2 years helps alleviate both problems.
@@Kirlac That's simply not true. The courses look too far into development (even with many of them just being upscaled) to have just thrown this together as a backlash response. Game dev isn't that quick.
I think this also. Maybe they held it or even when they knew they were doing the Expansion Pass and needed things that could make it seem valuable they looked at their games and though Mario Kart sold like crazy and people like new tracks. Either way, I think it has way more to do with the Expansion Pass than it does with another console or Mario Kart 9, but I don't know either.
It's true that development takes a long time, but keep in mind that Nintendo also knew about the expansion pack long before they revealed it to the public.
Actually, the idea of the Mario Kart DLC being developed FOR the expansion pack seems to line up. The simpler textures on the tracks they showcased would make development time faster, and the fact that it's being released in waves instead of all at once technically lets Nintendo add value now and finish the DLC later.
I'm not saying that this is what happened (I also think that Arlo's theory makes a lot of sense), but it is interesting to think about at least.
It hit me yesterday that this year marks the 30th anniversary of the Mario Kart series. I bet that has a big part in why this is happening. Kind of strange that they didn't seem to say that outright though.
Nintendo doesn't tend to focus too much on anniversaries if they're not Super Mario. You might see Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby get some love, but usually nowhere near the same extent and entirely because other studios put in the effort on Nintendo's behalf (HAL, TPC). The anniversary probably didn't factor in much at all, hence why they didn't seem to mention it.
cause fans will complain that they are only bringing tracks to the game for the anniversary
@@new__guy But MK is part of the Mario series lol
@@new__guy At least Metroid got Metroid Dread for his anniversary (or her ? Since it's Samus too).
27 August 2022!
While i think they saved 9 like you said, i dont think they took the retro tracks from that game and ported them to 8 DX with the dlc.
What they probably did was they saved 9 (fairly recently because 8 DX just doesn't stop selling), giving the dlc team not that much time to work on.
Then, the dlc team decided (because of time issues) to take the mk tour versions of the tracks (faster to do, and takes less effort), polished them a bit, make some more tracks like Coconut Mall in the same style and called it a day.
Properly why the tracks looks so bad in quality compared to the original tracks in deluxe.
@ oooookay sure.
Personal theory they had nothing Planned for Mario kart 9 so far and this dlc Exists because of the new Nintendo switch online Expansion thing With part of the idea of it being to make DLC for the most popular game and give it for free for members and with Mario kart as Popular as it is Chosen to be one of the games to get dlc And why most of the tracks are from Mario kart tour is to save money and time for the new tracks being made they still look like Mario kart tour so they can use it later in Mario kart tour
100%. These aren't new retro tracks from MK9; they're ports from Tour. I'm confident this exact Coconut Mall version will eventually come to Tour. They likely will release things in a different order because it will make MK fans want to keep playing (and paying for) both this and Tour.
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@ ...please point out where they lied. In the direct they said "remastering" not "remaking"
Massive part of this DLC that I'm shocked you missed: the online expansion. They're including the DLC with expansion subscriptions and that alone explains a lot about this decision. It's a very safe bet for getting people hooked on paying for the expansion and that's the biggest way the services like this draw in money.
Sometimes it take me awhile to get things. So does that make the dlc free for people who own the online expansion?
@@gooberfish11 Yep, you'll basically get each course for "free". You're still paying for the expansion pass itself obviously but it seems like Nintendo is wanting to load the expansion pass with DLC and a bunch of random stuff so jury is still out on the actual value of it
@@gooberfish11 Yes and no.
You will have access to the DLC while you pay the expansion service making the DLC "free".
But you will lose access to the DLC once you stop paying the service or the service shuts down in the future.
Still not worth double the base service's price. I understand that it's a convenience thing, but I feel like they announced it way earlier than they should have.
Arlo already talked about it in his other Nintendo direct video.
He said he didn’t like it XD
I hope they do a surprise when the first "pack" comes out: each pack comes with 1 new character as well! They're much easier to add than, say, a Smash character. Just fitting the model into a kart and setting a weight. Still, it's always great for players because you can play AS King Bob-omb or whatever.
Doubt
That would be a great addition! Although I do have my doubts due to the strange roster we already have I would hope that they redesign it so that certain characters fit under the same slot like the differently colored Yoshis and Shy Guys, which mainly applies to the several Marios and Peaches as well as the Koopalings so that they don't take up an entire row. Obviously previous characters should return like Funky and King Bob-omb but some new characters would be really cool to see as well.
There's more than just fitting then into a kart and setting a weight. You must add animations, set up the adaptive animations which can't be easy. Set more than weight, which is speed, acceleration, grip and more. Record or take old voice lines and plan those out. Fix logo, colour scheme, and actually doing the model and texturing. It's less than for Smash, but it's still a lot of work.
Just bring back Funky and give us Captain Falcon. If they won't give us F-zero, give us the man himself in a racing game. Like the NHL lockout years back, and they started playing in russia. if you are not gonna let your boi ply, he will play elsewhere.
I think they would've mentioned something like this if it were the case, especially since the first pack comes out in a month.
(But I'd sure love to see them add new characters anyway)
The graphics scare me yet I can’t complain how we’re gonna have 96 courses. It’s just gonna be obvious when we see a dip in quality when over half of the graphics don’t compete with the original courses
as long as the music doesn't disappoint I'm fine with it
To me it mostly seems to be a case of lighting. Mario kart 8 has a really good lighting engine that really makes the environments pop but it appears to be absent in these courses and are even more obvious for the mario kart tour tracks.
I do hope not too many are from tour mostly due to how mind numbingly basic they are since they were designed for phones. They will not translate well to console.
Still I'm remaining optimistic. Doubling the games content alone is a pretty big deal, I think I can tolerate a slight visual drop and even then it's not like they look bad. I'd definitely rather play this choco mountain than the N64 version.
@𝗦𝗮𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 sir who hurt you
The actual graphics seem fine, its moreso that they still have the old MarioKart style and not the more detailed and interesting touch-ups the basegame retro tracks got.
@𝗦𝗮𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 dude, fck off spamming that.
I feel like this is at least a good way to 'archive' the maps from Tour. We all know that apps don't last forever
Nintendo actually extended the lifecycle of Tour because of the delayed new Mario Kart announcement. Mario Kart Tour is going to last a couple of years because of this dlc.
@@Daniel328DT Not to mention Tour still maintains its biggest incentive -- its karts, drivers, and alt costumes.
With MK8DX lacking those, Mario Kart Tour will still have stuff going for it. MK8DX is already getting all its DLC courses from Tour. If it had its characters and karts too, Tour would have very little left to call its own.
“apps don’t last forever”. Yeah especially when Nintendo thanos-snaps them out of existence because they don’t make whatever unreasonable amount of money they expect it to generate despite it being a fun game that could totally work offline theoretically (cough cough dr mario world cough)
@@DaNintendude It's still a mobile game, there's always going to be an incentive to play it, despite having similar content to the console game, seeing they're very different markets IMO.
I think this was an amazing business decision. Rather than cannibalize themselves like happened with the Mario Parties, they add on to their existing success.
Definitely. If this works out for them, I can easily see them applying this formula to Mario Party Superstars or make a new game that isn’t just legacy boards and minigames and expand on that for a few years
It also gives people confidence that they aren't buying a game that's about to be replaced
I think the difference is Mario Party Superstars had to save the franchise so to speak. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was already the ultimate Mario Kart game. There’s no reason to release a new one until a more powerful switch comes out. Doesn’t hurt that it sells amazingly well of course.
Graphically, I'm a little concerned, and I'm surprised I don't see any RUclipsrs discussing it. The previous returning DLC tracks looked like huge adaptations, with tons of details in the background with gorgeous textures and lighting. From what we've seen of these DLC tracks however...it seems very simplistic. We haven't even been shown a single twisting gravity section. I wanna get it, but I do hope this isn't some rush job because "people will buy it whatever". Mario Kart 8 is still an astoundingly beautiful game despite being 8 years old - there's no reason for this DLC to be missing the same effort and polish. Fingers crossed my fears are unfounded
Personally I'd really want to be assured that an old favourite track of mine isn't butchered for the sake of having an upside-down part
You just gotta wait lol, it's only the first trailer, let alone wave. Pretty sure these are going to be good
Gravity sections haven't really added anything to the tracks honestly. It's not like they've messed with gravity before with loops. Plus when you play the game, you don't even notice the gravity section due to the camera tilting with you.
@@WindyWooshes For the maps they have teased you would hope that they'd be at least be mostly finished. As of right now they just look like they are ported from tour but with better lighting, it's a bit jarring that they don't have the detail of 8's original tracks. It's a little bit weird but I'm still excited to get it.
To be fair, the majority of the tracks we were exposed to in the trailer were from the back camera, which, while not excusing the huge difference in quality, should at least be mentioned from how the Switch handles processing backgrounds that aren’t in front of the usual POV.
Here’s my theory: Nintendo didn’t originally plan to have any DLC for MK8 Dx. But after seeing how successful Smash’s character packs were and how well MK8 Dx sells they decided to do this. If MK8 Dx didn’t sell like a brand new game they maybe would’ve made 9 but the large expansion passes for top selling games is working
That's what the video said tho.
@@julianx2rlYep, true lol.
I’m kinda torn on what to think about this DLC, on the one hand at $25 for the entire number of current Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tracks is a really good price point, but at the same time the disparity between the OG release and this second set of Mario Kart DLC on DLC feels way out of place. Graphics wise I don’t think it looks too bad but it’s incredibly glaring there’s a lack of most work going on in texturing for courses like Choco Mountain and Toad Circuit, and with it once you see it it’s very hard not to think about. I’d be hopeful they touch up the graphics at least a bit, but with just over a month until the first wave is released, I’m highly doubtful of a good overhaul. Nintendo gonna Nintendo I guess?
idk, its possible they'll fix it later too. Maybe this is just temporary art while nintendo is working on the game! But i doubt it
The footage was probably recorded way earlier, but still that doesn't mean that they would fix it.
@@spaghet-lessbonesauce2479 ik, just trying to stay positive
Let’s be honest here. The vast number of people who own a switch owned a Wii. And lots and lots of Nintendo fans don’t care if the textures look 4K 1080p all the time. As long as it’s not THAT noticeable, it’ll sell just as well because people love MKWii and LOVE coconut mall regardless. Having coconut mall in the first wave is a genius decision cause it’ll get the billion people who had MKWii to buy the DLC. Simply put, I have lots of friends who like Mario Kart but couldn’t care less about Nintendo Directs and such and all their gonna see is Coconut Mall remade from their childhood. It’s really simple and super affective
What's really bizarre to me is that the reason why the tracks look more simplistic is because they're all using the art direction from Mario Kart Tour. The problem being Mario Kart tour really doesn't look like 8.
The fact that the game is going to double in length really excites me.
Same, but it's also going to be a nightmare for completionists (since you have 240 perfect runs across every new course once all the waves are out).
It is funny that mario kart by the end will have more courses than smash ultimate has Characters.
Yeah it'll make me double in length too
Just give me Wario Stadium from 64.
I was hoping to hear your opinion on the expansion pass in this video that you mentioned in the last one. I guess that's for another one.
Cuz he don't have anything meaningful to say on it. Of course it adds real value to the expansion pass; considering acnw and mk8 are among the top 5 selling games on switch, its the best way to add a great deal to the most amount of people. And if you have a family plan with lots of people on it, the dlc and perks with having extra games some never got to play or finish in the past.. It pays for itself!
He already made a couple videos on the expansion, you could try looking through those.
@@bigtoblerone8446 "it pays for itself!"**
For 1 year, then you're at an immediate loss in value. Which is a lot of time, but is very important to consider.
Yeah he didn't talk about that because he already has extensively in his expansion pass video.
Ignore the other commenter saying of course it adds value, it may well but you should go listen to Arlos actual opinion before letting him be misrepresented as "having nothing to say" by a moron commenter
@@laterbot OP is referring Arlo's last video where he said, "Adding the DLC to the expansion pass is not adding value to the expansion." He then said that it would be another video.
The person who replied asserted that Arlo doesn't know what he is talking about. (Personally, I'm curious since I don't agree with his statement.) I think it is more moronic to call someone a moron without understanding what exactly is being discussed.
Honestly I like the offer they're presenting. They still aren't getting me to buy the NSO Expansion Pack, but I'll gladly take 48 extra track. Though there is a noticeable lack of detail on the DLC tracks. I hope they at least finish that.
This could be a song.
I figure the question raised 3 minutes in ("why did it take so long for this DLC to become a thing") was simple. Smash Ultimate is no longer their biggest hype machine, (unless they decide to do Fighter Pass 3 but with this news, that's unlikely), so now Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the game that's going to get the constant update spotlight.
Since the Switch's launch, the sole reason many people watched Nintendo Directs or paid attention to Nintendo during huge events was for news regarding Smash Ultimate, base game or DLC. This is the first time since 2017 that Nintendo doesn't have Smash Bros hype to fall back on, so they're doing Mario Kart hype now.
I'm fully on board with it too. Sure, there's not going to be new tracks but Mario Kart does have a lot of iconic/nostalgic tracks throughout its history that people love. Due to how many Switch owners have Mario Kart 8, this is likely to keep the attention of most Switch owners.
I enjoy how getting all the new MK8 content looks like it's going to cost a helluva lot less than getting all the fighters in SSBU.
I kind of wished they would start updating mario maker 2 again
That's a massive downgrade though. Smash fighters are like 20x more hype than just mario kart courses.
Fortnite is better
They could wait about two years for more fighter passes, just imagine one hundred characters.
My biggest gripe with these new tracks is that since by the looks of it all of these are Tour quality and meant for mobile, there will be zero antigravity in this expansion, which makes me very sad considering it was the main gimmick of MK8, and I absolutely love how creative it allows the developers can be with track design. It’s sad to know that once this pack is done, only about a third of the tracks will feature what is basically the whole selling point of MK8. Also the render they used for the advertisement uses the antigravity karts, which is ironic considering none of the tracks they showed feature antigravity
I think GBA Sky Garden has an Anti-Gravity segment.
But it’s pretty much what GBA Mario Circuit did, where it was just one specific curve that’s super steep…
I don't care for the anti-gravity, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest
@@tastyfalcon1788 Yeah, i'm with you on that one. and what TanookiTex said. Most tracks's antigravity is just one curve too steep most of the time and not that much interesting when it comes to the old tracks so, it doesn't affect much really. GBA Mario Circuit is basically Out Of Time from Crash Nitro Kart, a regular course with a big tower on the center that you go up and down, but even then out of time is more visually interesting...
sky garden definitely looks to have a fair amount of antigravity
it's also worth noting that the appearance of the track in footage contradicts the icon they showed it with when showing the cups _(it has a grey road in the icon, like the tour version),_ meaning that while we can't say the tracks will all be the quality of mk8's previous 48 visually, they're definitely still doing more here than just porting from tour. i'd even say that's credence to the idea the visuals of the trailer probably aren't one-to-one with what the finished product is going to look like!
@@tastyfalcon1788 it does add to the track design though, even if you don't really notice it most of the time
I'm very chill with this DLC, especially since basically half of Switch owners own this game. Really hope they add Waluigi's Pinball, Daisy Cruiser, Maple Treeway and Rainbow Road (MK7)!
Daisy Cruiser is already visible from GCN Yoshi Circuit so its addition might have to be consistent with its appearance there or not exist at all
I really want daisy hills
Waluigi's Pinball is in Tour, so it's basically guaranteed to make it at some point.
@@isleling5191 - That one is so good.
I personally want Isle Desfino.
@@julianx2rl I never played double dash so I'd love to see isle Desfino
I think they should add a ranked mode to dlc online play. That way they're less likely to split the hardcore playerbase. I get that there's already a form of ranking, but something more competitive would be nice.
That would make me buy the game tbh
@D People aren’t playing Tour for rankings, they’re playing it because it’s more portable than Deluxe.
This is the main reason that i'm glad that MK7 servers are still up and active, everyone is a god at the game and it's really fun at times.
8 Deluxe on the otherhand, feels a lot more casual, I never felt like it was all that competitive at all really.
The next one really needs to have a ranked mode though, after 4 games, you'd think they'd have it already.
@@comfy88338 You clearly haven’t played enough of Deluxe online yet then. After reaching around 10k points, the difficulty skyrockets due to every bastard using a fat guy with a Wiggler on tiny wheels as their ride because of the fucking meta.
I just wish they would also bring some missing characters from Tour and other Mario Karts along the ride. I would love to play as Nabbit in a game where I don't only play him when he's the best choice on specific tracks
Personally, this move screams "troubled development cycle" to me. We just saw this occur with Street Fighter 5, where a additional whole season of DLC was announced and released. All because SV6 was, and debatably still is, in development hell and they needed to buy time.
the difference is it wouldnt make sense for nintendo to release mario kart 9 at this point
I started typing my thoughts while I listened to you talk and you basically took the words out of my mouth. 100% agree with your theory that they DID explore making a MK9 for switch and changed their mind.
Nintendo's big multiplayer games almost never release more than one per console. And especially in the age of online gaming, that's how it SHOULD be imho. Having as many players as possible with access to the same version of the game improves the experience for everyone, assuming they have the infrastructure to support it.
Serves you right for commenting before watching the video.
Yes. That was definitely the takeaway there.
@@julianx2rl Looks like you replied before reading the whole comment.
Seriously, people who talked about MK9 releasing this year have to have been joking, right? Nintendo has never released 2 Mariokarts on one console. _Never._
Learn from the past over trusting leaks. You’ll get a more realistic view of what’s gonna happen.
That’s why Splatoon 3 doesn’t sit right with me
I'm SO surprised at the value of this. I was thinking 25$ for the first wave at first. LOL.
@be good - NO!
I SHALL VANISH THEE TO THE SHADOW REALM!!!
If that was true it would cost 175$
@@Jokesville1 Well, it does sound like a Nintendo thing to do. Look at Pokemon SwSh: both games plus DLC will cost you about 160 bucks.
@@dracquiteur.4730 Yeah, this value is the exception, not the rule. LOL.
@@julianx2rl banish
It honestly makes sense Because Most switch owners have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and parents are probably not going to want to buy a new Mario kart when we have Mario kart at home.
Fair enough.
This is great. I'm still enjoying Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and I started 8 on the Wii U. My only concern like others have said is the new courses don't appear to be the same detail & polish as the original 8 levels.
On the one hand, I'm happy we're getting 48 new tracks and I'm looking forward to playing them - but if they are upscaled ports from Tour or otherwise rushed replicas like the footage suggests, part of me feels like it's wrong to tack all this cheap content onto a game that had the most creatively reimagined retro tracks in the series.
Plus 48 retro tracks on top of the 24 existing retro tracks means that this is probably most if not every track ever. On the one hand, cool. It's like Smash Bros Ultimate. On the other hand, these tracks could have gotten a lot more care and attention in future games rather than using them to sell Online Expansion Pack subscriptions.
I think they may started DLC for it specifically as an incentive for NSO. They wanted to make the expansion pack better (at least that’s what they said) so they put into development several dlc for good selling games in order to achieve that.
Omg baby 🥺❤️
Glad we're getting this content, but I feel that Mario Kart is now in the same boat as Smash Bros. There has been so much content crammed into Smash Ultimate and Mario Kart 8, that the next installment in either series is going to feel like a downgrade, unless they have a ton of content available right off the bat.
Mario Kart 8's roster is still the second worst roster in the series.
Personally speaking i'd just be down for some new mechanics to peak interest in gameplay more than a bigger number of characters and tracks/stages. Bigger doesn't always mean better after all.
I really hope things happen in a way that we get some new characters in 8 Deluxe. The original roster was so lacking that characters is what I want more then anything else.
The first batch will likely be Peachette and Pauline as they first debut at launch of Tour.
@@Daniel328DT idk think there’s dlc characters tho because Nintendo would’ve said there were more characters
@@NickMario1 I'm just speculating
I would love to but that would mean some effort for Nintendo and they want money for the least amount of effort so I dont think we will get new charcaters
I will admit, it does make me wonder if something odd is afoot with this DLC. As you said, 5 years later and... it looks like a lot of people are excited for a lot of new tracks, and that's cool and all but for the fact we waited so long I kind of feel like I would've liked something a little more. Maybe with each bundle there'd be 1-2 new characters coming, and/or new kart pieces added to the game, etc. Just my two cents.
When I saw it, I figured it was more of a panic button move, like "Uh oh, people are expecting Mario Kart 9 but we haven't nailed down the next big gameplay mechanic so we don't have anything to show. Well, we've got all of these old courses that didn't make it, so let's throw them together and let some Tour courses fill in the gaps to buy us some time."
Having this many tracks is hard to argue with. It’s like a whole new game. It’s definitely the best in the series aside from Double Dash. But they NEED to release Mario Kart 9 at launch for the next console.
Double Dash is king
My 47 year old co worker loves double dash lmao that blew my mind
@Sparksterlot I agree mkwii is king.
Speaking of DLC, I hope they release more boards for Mario Party Superstars!
Yes plz
Same here, superstars has more potential with more boards from the nintendo 64 mario party games, as well as a few new characters like diddy kong. Would be a real shame and a big disappointment if nintendo ends up not adding anything to the game at all.
I was thinking the same! They probably would do the same by adding Dlc to it with more boards and characters! It would be awesome seeing boards from the rest of the Mario party's apart from the first 3 since when I played the game I found it weird having mini games from all the Mario party's and just have 5 boards of the first Mario party games. Overall, it would be an amazing addition! Hopefully it comes true in it's time!
I'm excited for the courses, and they know what they were doing revealing Coconut Mall first, but I really would have loved Mario Kart 9 instead
I'm looking forward to Coconut Mall the most. It's an S tier course purely because of it's theme. 🛍⏪ 🛒💨
Same. I was looking forward to a new game with a mission mode, costumes, and maybe even… a track editor. But I don’t think we’ll see it until the earliest, 2 years after this DLC ends, 2025. And that’s if they start development on MK9 now. It could be even further than that. MK8 is at least going to drive past it’s 10 year anniversary which is really too long. It might last longer than GTA V and that spanned 3 console generations.
Same, Mario kart 8 feels bland now. I was interested in the “new twist” Nintendo teased
I disagree, I think, what happened was, they intended for Mario Kart Tour to be Mario Kart 9. But people weren't as invested in it as they wanted, it wasn't making the money they wanted, meanwhile, MK8 was still selling like a new game. So they changed tact, accepted that Tour was just seen as a spinoff that nobody really cared about, and shifted some of that support on to MK8, which is why most of the tracks we've seen in this DLC pack so far are tracks that already exist in Tour.
I bought the Expansion Pack for N64 games and Happy Home Designer but this sweetens the deal, doubling the content of the game is pretty crazy
I think the reason why it took so long for the DLC to come out for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, is because they had no plans to make any.
And then when they decided that they'd include things in the Expansion Pass version of Switch Online, Nintendo decided to port over Mario Kart Tour tracks, with touch-ups, over to MK8D as DLC.
dude maill form wii is jnot tour track it never was so sotp saying tehre jsut tour tracks and ntiendo said ther form all mario kart not just tour
@@ssjgotenks2009 except wii coconut mall was datamined from tour day 1 so altough it was never released to the public it is indeed in mario kart tour. Get your facts strait (also please fix your spelling its horrible to read)
@@ssjgotenks2009 please put your keyboard keys back in their original positions
for me this is practically a whole extra mario kart for like a fraction of the cost. Racing games like MK might as well be just an ever expanding game with new courses.
it's not really a fraction of the cost when you factor in the nso deluxe price that you need to pay for to buy this...
@@Mwarrior1991 You don't need to buy the extra nso pack to get the dlc, it's jut that if you have the extra pack then that dlc will be free for you, you can still buy it without the extra online for just $25
I know! Its awesome!
Double-dash will still always have a place in my heart
@@Mwarrior1991 Except you don't need to use the NSO Expansion Pass? You can just buy the DLC for 25 USD.
I’m just happy at the potential future of playing Waluigi Pinball on the Switch.
I can already hear the pinball noises
But I'm not excited for the remix
Imagine if Waluigi Pinball comes out in the last wave
Looking at this from a business prospective, I think you are absolutely right. From a player perspective, I was like: "Okay but how are they not going to add any characters with all those tracks?" but now I see why.
With all the tracks that are gonna be in this game, a feature that would be cool to add would be custom cups. You could pick 4 tracks you like instead of being forced to use the premade cups where you might only like 1 or 2 of them. Or just pick 4 for a theme or various other reasons
Play vs mode. Pick whatever tracks you want to play.
The tracks may be ported from Tour, but the amount of tracks for how much it costs is worth it for me personally. Plus I get to experience these tracks without having to gamble to get the characters and karts I want.
I hope to see N64 Bowser Castle, GCN Wario Colosseum and Wii DK Summit added
Unfortunately you still can't get Diddy Kong with them either.
@𝗦𝗮𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 funnier if whoever created you and other bots killed themself
Agreed
I mean I already spent some money on tour, so whatever. I'm just going to make the change to pay for DLC and play on my switch
DK Summit would be awkward due to the lack of halfpipe ramps in MK8DX. Unless they’re willing to add in those ramps just for this track
I agree They should add new character with this DLC. I only had a switch for a year so I was holding out on picking up MK8 because I have the WiiU version and thought their was a chance for MK9 on the Switch.....I guess I'll pick it up in time for the new tracks.
Who should be added. Not many that could be added.
@@Wienerdog5 The rabbits from Odyssey, some common Mario enemies, characters from almost every Nintendo game as Inkling and Link is there. There is literally 100s of characters!
@@Buglin_Burger7878 ok, the broodals would be nuts in this game. Also zelda, captain falcon, ganondorf, and kamek. They might even do alternate colors like in smash bros.
@@Wienerdog5 Mario...Andretti!
@@thejokerstyle100 or add renado. I feel like a good take would be to add at minimum two more items. The game is never boring and always fresh but to add to the freshness. Yes mario Andretti should be in
As somebody who brings my switch with me absolutely everywhere (vacation, school, friend’s house, appointments, etc) I always make sure to have the Mario Kart cartridge with me because it is such a good game. There’s a reason for 1. It’s insane sales and 2. having Iterations on every Nintendo console and that’s because it’s an amazing game. While it can be lonely single player, it still can be fun to go for high scores, it has a fun online mode, and best of all it’s easy pick up and play for anyone. It’s not like smash where you have to have a degree for every character in order to use them correctly. It’s a simple and addicting gameplay loop which makes it easy for anyone, even my dad, to play. It makes sense Nintendo is adding DLC instead of releasing a new game, because why stop now when the momentum is high? I look foreword to playing the remastered classics, especially Coconut mall, and I hope my other favorite, Toad’s turnpike comes soon.
Toad's Turnpike is already in MK 8 DX
Smash doesn't have to be complicated unless you choose to make it complicated, though. Once you learn all the basic moves it's a very fun casual game, even if you don't "get a degree for every character"
The Mario Kartridge*
Crazy to think that you’ll be able to go for your best time on 96 courses in one game on 150 and 200cc totaling to 192!
The completionist in me is going to demand I get gold trophies on 50cc and 100cc, just like I've done on MK Wii, 7 and 8. (Don't remember about Double Dash or DS) That's at least 60 grand prix runs, or 240 individual races.
O_O And I somehow did this 3 times already? _And_ with attempting to get 3 stars on all of them‽ I already knew I was insane, but sheesh!
@@angeldude101 DX felt like a chore in some aspects.
From what I'm seeing this is part at least of what some Tour players seemingly want, and that is incorporate the assets there to the console games, although I think they would much prefer the new characters and alts, although maybe there is a surprise that maybe some of those would be added here.
I mean for 50 cents per course, it is really hard to complain. I know people are angry that the new courses have a different art style, but I think they still look good and not out of place.
i found sky gardens was the only course that fit the aesthetic of the base game and that was the only course that had to be built from the ground up (coconut and toad circuit were already remade in mk7 so there was only the requirement to port the base build of the courses and add in hd textures and up the polygons)
@@hued2542 Though according to the wiki, Sky Gardens is coming to Tour later on
I can complain fairly easily. My complaint is that we already played these courses and it's been 8 years since Mario Kart has done anything new (and even for the people who first experienced the game with 8D, it's still been 5 years and that's enough to want the next thing).
@@boltstrike2787 That's fine. To each their own, everyone has the right to complain if they want.
I thought it was $25 PER WAVE! so you just pay once, and the waves will automatically download when they release?
Seems like it
kinda like the fighter pass with smash
Exactly that
It's a Season pass. So yeah. You buy it once and if the new Tracks drop, they will be downloaded
Yeah, if you look at the eshop page for the pass, it’s $25 for the bundle of DLC waves.
I think you make such a good point with this title being already crossed over from WiiU and being the highest selling game on the switch.
From an economical standpoint, it makes so much sense to delay MK9 for the next console
This gen has 5+ years left. We may see another this gen.
Even though I think MK8 is really bland, I think this is only a good thing. MK8 sells objectively, INSANELY well, and getting more money out of it is just smart.
I hope that they'll do character packs at some point. Classic characters like Diddy, Birdo, and Funky, and even newcomers from Tour like Pauline and King Bob-omb.
Good points all around Arlo. Also, nice hat.
Since the Tour Tracks come back there too, I hope that the Mega Mushroom comes back as item too!^^ Also, for me, it´s perfect since I didn´t care about Tour so I´m eager to see the tracks here on the Switch.^^
I think it’s a combination of a lot of things. 8 Deluxe’s sales, Tour’s existence, the end of Smash DLC to hype people up, plus my personal theory: it’s a way to add value to the Expansion Pass that isn’t just adding N64 games. In 2018 or 19 when it would have made more sense from a development standpoint there weren’t all of the ancillary factors. But now you have an app where someone is already doing work to rebuild older courses and make some new ones, you have a new membership thing that you can use DLC for the best-selling Switch game to push, and you know that the lifespan of the Switch is going to last a while longer. It makes more sense now than it would have back then.
I'll admit, I was suspicious of your theory at first, but as you explained it I realized that it does make sense. About the biggest argument against it is how Nintendo's decisions don't always make sense anyway.
I really hope they have gba rainbow road at some point. Would love to see how they would remake that track.
I havent seen gba rainbow road, but it would probably be similar to snes rainbow road
@𝗦𝗮𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 You okay?
@@-FutureTaken- It's really not. It's a much larger track with edges that bounce you around and a lot of boost panels and risky skips making it really chaotic, plus it has a Paper Mario 64 reference.
@@-FutureTaken- mk8 has some very good gba remakes, I would love to see what they could do with rainbow road
Yeeesssss GBA Rainbow Road would be so much fun! I would love to hear how they go about the music for it
You're the first one I've heard break down the price to a 50¢ per track equation. Seems like a steal to me.
Why spend 25 bucks on a DLC when you can get CTGP on Wii for free and get like 300 tracks
Your theory reminds me of what happened to Street Fighter 5. SF6 was facing development troubles so 5 got an extra season of new characters, stages and some other things
I have a feeling that this was put into development so that they could add it to NSO Expansion Pack, which makes wonder if other older games could get DLC out of nowhere so that they can pack it into NSO Expansion Pack
I'm excited for doubling the courses in MK8D. With 8 tracks per wave, I assume each wave has one track from MK 1-7 + Tour.
first wave disproves that
tour got more then one stage in the first wave
@@scottgrasser9475 yeah but that was probably an exception rather then a rule for the first wave
Arlo you post at weird times and I adore it. Never change, you beautiful blue analyst
I disagree with your theory. These are not tracks they have been working on. They are simply ports from Tour and nothing more.
I know this DLC has caused lots of discussion, but to be honest, I'm just really glad we are getting new main Mario Kart console content in the first place.
Tour may be mainline technecally, but I really missed getting new tracks with more traditional controls, so I'm really happy about this! Especially since tracks were always more important to me personally then characters (don't get me wrong, Diddy Kong not being in kart 8 deluxe is insanity)
These bots?!
@@cursedfurby6656 It's actually crazy how prevelant they are isn't it
My main concern is that the Mario Kart franchise has already reached its full potential. I kinda makes sense if you think about it. It's like the pinnacle of what they were trying to achieve with every instalment, just like Smash or Luigi's Mansion.
You are crazy if you think this is Mario Kart's full potential.
I really hope 3 isn’t the pinnacle of Luigi’s Mansion
@@Gunplabro I agree. I think in order to make this dlc perfect, bring back items from double dash and new characters and a new battle mode. But I doubt they'll do that.
Wait Luigi's Mansion?
I agree with the sentiment, hell, that's supposedly the sole reason they haven't made a new F-Zero.
Buuuut, Luigi's Mansion is not that kind of game, those games focus on taking you through a different adventure with each entry rather than perfecting a formula like most party games.
@@debraferraro7000 - Dude, did you see the video?
Doing that doesn't make sense!
tbh I love it because it gives me hope for Mario Kart 9 being a next gen only game.
Honestly I could totally see that as their plan
I hate DLC in general, but this is just lazy. Every single track looks like garbage, and lacks any resemblance of a personality. Coconut Mall doesn’t even have escalators.
I was playing Mariokart Tour today, and noticed that the palm trees outside coconut mall are the exact same assets as the palm trees used in Los Angeles Laps in tour. Exact copy/paste it seems like.
Make a new game omg I've been done with 8 since the wii u
I would say that it's probably better from the customers perspective to only get one mario kart per system
I would say it's not better from the customer's perspective to have to wait 8 years for the next original Mario Kart game.
I'm personally glad they're doing DLC, I mean what could they add to 9 that won’t make it look like a cash grab?
New modes, new characters, effort lol. Anything. Leeching off the success of an 8 year old WiiU game instad of putting effort into a new game in a beloved, respectrd series Is a cash grab in itself
Like don't fix something that isn't broken 😂
this ijust made me commit to hacking the switch, whats the point of multiplayer anymore rofl
Yeah I'm chill with this DLC, especially since basically half of Switch owners own this game.
@@JordanMccaff I mean MK switch is literally the best selling switch game with a huge fanbase already. Why not add almost 50 tracks for 25 bucks instead of 20 tracks or whatever for 60 bucks.
Remaking tracks is almost definitely more work and effort than making a new mario kart character, you just need to model and animate the character and change the stats remaking a course takes so much more work and testing
My theory is similar to Arlo’s, but with a small difference.
They have been working on 9 for years, and had planned all along for it to be a launch title for the next console. But then that launch itself was delayed, because there’s the chip shortage and the Switch just keep selling anyway. So they figured, like us, that’s a long time to go without some mainline Mario Kart content, the main team keeps working on 9 to make it super polished, but then they took a smaller team to port retro courses for 8, so we’d have something at least. If that’s the case, it’s a win-win in my eyes.
Side note, I wish they focus on an awesome single player experience and a good battle mode in 9, apart from the excellent main racing mode.
Assuming this theory is true, how come then it wouldn’t just be the usual 16 tracks that would be remakes, like in most new mariokart games, this is 4 times that. Idk how much presence tour tracks will have, but even those aside, they’d still be making A LOT of new remasters
All the courses in Wave 1 are ported from Mario Kart Tour. It's likely all of the DLC will be courses from Tour. So the Mario Kart 9 retro tracks didn't get brought over like Arlo thought.
@@DaNintendude they might not. They might pull something crazy out of nowhere.
@@DaNintendude Coconut mall is not on mario kart tour
@@andrescardoso7731 Evidence from Mario Kart Tour datamining shows that Coconut Mall is gonna be in the game. There are many more unreleased courses hinted at in the files as well, including Shroom Ridge, among others.
@@DaNintendude jeez, now thats disgusting. But anyways, thats typical nintendo, isn't it? Thanks for the info
What if Mario Kart 8 Deluxe still sells incredibly well at the time when the next system is released? It has 100 million copies sold. Maybe they'll further postpone 9 and release 48 more paid dlc courses for 8 deluxe?
Yuuup Mario Kart Ultimate everyone is here. And every track to
Source on that 100 million?
@@somejock4396 I mean by the time when the next system is released if the sales continue with the current rate
I am seeing theories that this was made in a rush to increase the value of NSO expansion and to lessen its controversy.
It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to make this DLC to recoup the losses that Sakurai made from getting Sora.
See in my head, it makes more sense to me that they're making Mario Kart 8 the ultimate Mario Kart with all the cool tracks...because it might be the last.
They might be going with the whole Nintendo Kart idea from now on which would mean Mario tracks wouldn't get as much of a focus and this is their last chance to remake and show off a bunch of them.
Could be just me though
Like a Mario Kart Ultimate
There is no damn Nintendo Kart. Go away whit this smash Kart nonsense.
@@INFERNO95 Yeah yeah and there's no easter bunny and tooth fairy either, now go back to the set of Megamind 2
Yeah I don’t know how I feel about tracks from Mario Kart Tour coming over, I think they’re too simple for a mainline game, DLC or not.
I don’t at all! Some of them have simple layouts, but the main reason they feel too simple and short is because tour has 2 laps instead of 3, plus some like Ninja Hideaway are really complex and would fit well in the main series.
I’ve been waiting for Arlo to talk about this! 🏁🍄
I'm definitely happy they're doing more DLC for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe instead of just making Mario Kart 10. I'd rather be 100% guaranteed to be able to pick this game back up and be able to play as BoTW Link than run the risk of Link not even being in Mario Kart 10.
You only care about Link that much?
@@shyguyrocks1 Yes.
I think you mean Mario Kart 9 (unless Nintendo pulls a Microsoft and skips straight to 10).
@@AceTrainerX3 Mario Kart 9 is already out on mobile.
@@Mario12112345 Alright, let's set things straight here: Mario Kart Tour is *NOT* Mario Kart 9!
Ok so Arlo, the idea of this pack is better than getting a brand new mariokart game on switch in my opinion, when giving it a second thought. A new mariokart on switch would have to either stand out against mariokart 8, or it will be no different and just be different tracks for $60. The standout feature could end up controversial due to Nintendo’s need to re-invent the whee every time they make a game. For this DLC, it doubles the games content for the most part for less than half the price of the game. It’s better than getting a brand new, full priced game that isn’t different enough from the past game. This direction also doesn’t forsake newcomers to mariokart 8 deluxe, and it gives us who have had the game for 8 years, have a whole bunch of content of mariokart for us. I’d love a new Mariokart but I don’t see one happening till the next system.
Mk9 will be on the next system I'm 3 to 4 yrs. Who can confirm this in 2026?!
I was super hyped when it was first announced, and I'm still happy with it overall, but...no new content is a bit lame really. Ideally, I'd love a new mode to open this game up and bridge the gap until the next MK (which undoubtedly doesn't happen on Switch). A new mode (MISSIONS!), with 1 new track in each wave (8 isn't unreasonable over 2 years), and maybe a character. But Nintendo is Nintendo, so you can't ever expect much when it comes to DLC.
Wouldn't doubling the course amount count as "much"?
I'd be down with Tour's Reverse mode to be ported over, though
@@VonFirflirch In terms of quantity, but not in terms of entertainment value. They're old courses. They're not as entertaining as something new and different. And we need new and different right now, MK8D and MKT are both being driven by tons of old content and we haven't had an original Mario Kart experience in 8 years.
Arlo walking off screen is too smooth
I've been watching your channel for years, and it just hit me. I'm watching someone's hand inside a puppet talk to me about video games. And I look that hand in the eyes... Surreal.
i don't know, i think arlo's just arlo
I think it's an official - or official-quality - Muppet, which means it's bigger than a hand.
They moved over Tour tracks, I don’t know if the mobile game is considered dead. It’s part of the expansion pass, trying to get more people to buy it while just reusing assets.
I think it’s a cool idea to bring old tracks back but god they look unfinished and lifeless compared to the ones in the base game. Theyre obviously ported from Tour which is yuck. Except the ones that arent in tour like Coconut mall. The tracks need to be polished honestly :(
I feel like they managed to make the DLC this cheap because they know a lot of people will buy it, luckly! :D
It seems like it, though I don't think I'll be buying it because it looks like Nintendo cut some corners by porting the majority of Tour and not making it have a ton of detail like any other course in MK8DX. If they do actually put more detail and stuff in the courses, then I'll probably get it.
@@goldenninja9053 besides grass textures, which Wave 2 gave us, I have no clue what other details y'all want, the rocks are even more detail models, there is flowers everywhere, if you still don't think Wave 2 has enough detail then you're just a reamism freak, this artstyle is very pretty in Wave 2
Here's my theory: the later waves will have more 'refined, polished and remastered' tracks because they will have more time between releases.
I base this on nothing, but I can't see them just 'now' making the tracks and rushing their completion, for all we know most of them are functionally complete and like I said they would focus on the later wave tracks while they have the extra time while the earlier waves will be more 'basic' and 'standard'
Either way, to me these are new tracks regardless! And since I never played Tour, the Tour tracks are completely new to me! meanwhile you know what has my interest? To see how the GBA tracks will turn out! Just look at how the Cheese track and Ribbon Road turned out compared to the original tracks! If they keep that area of effort into the GBA tracks, I honestly really wish to see how the GBA Rainbow Road would turn out!
They should’ve released those racing tracks in 2017 (the year that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got released).
They ported so many Wii U games to the Switch & probably assumed it would be a decent hit. 8 Deluxe sold so damn well that it only makes sense that it would be the consoles Mario Kart. Tour as well is being used like another installment. I want Pauline on a console Mario Kart but it’s gonna be a few years.
(8:00) I think your hypothesis is incorrect simply based on the simple graphics. It's not tracks for a text game brought back to the current game. It's tracks from the mobile game brought over to the current game.
Gonna add my two cents about it because this case resembles the one related to Mario Party.
At first, when the second one was announced I felt let down. I mean, the idea behind the first one was good, the different dices were a nice idea, the games were different enough from the previous ones with the friends' mechanics, but the boards were awful, no imagination in them, no traps, no minigames - it was barren. That game needed a DLC, with good new boards. But Nintendo made the right decision in launching a new one since the previous one had the detachable joycon as a requirement and could not be properly used in Switch Lite, moreover, the install base wasn't as big, thus creating a DLC for the game would be a major risk.
Mario Kart doesn't suffer from the same problem, they have a great installed base, and frequent players. So, I think that Mario Kart Tour wasn't the success they were expecting, and since they put some effort towards the game, using a different engine and creating new courses - instead of wasting that potential, they would try moving those features to a proper console game. Therefore they had two paths: adding as a DLC or Creating a New game. The second option would break the sales from Mario Kart 8, they would have to create a game with a new gimmick or idea that would be a good enough reason to sell for $60 and convince the MK8 players to purchase the new MK9.
As MK8 Deluxe has a new DLC coming, they probably didn't come up with anything new and decided to add those courses, and some more, as a DLC. I loved the idea, this game is now the ultimate Mario Kart game and will probably have the best courses of the series. Whenever Nintendo decides to create a MK9 they will be free to come up with something completely new, as fans will always have MK8.
> I think Mario Kart Tour wasn't the success they were expecting.
They made $200 million from Mario Kart Tour.
@@Envy_May Well... THAT I didn't know
Thx for the info, I've downloaded it on release and didn't like it, neither of my friends didn't, so I assume it was bad
My suspicion is that the Booster Pass was made specifically to make the Expansion Pass's price look better, odd for them to wait so long to release the DLC. Say it was originally Mario Kart 9, the gap between release of Mario Kart 7 and 8 was less than 3 years, say we apply the same thing after Mario Kart 9; 3 years after Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would have been 2021; and if the tracks are to be finished development by 2023, it would be safe to say that the game would be finished by then too. That would be the largest gap between Mario Kart releases, a whole 6 years between Mario Kart releases.
This is a really good theory, I agree it is likely tied to milking things and brushing problems to the side.
im a long time fan of the series and am extremely excited for the Booster Course Pass DLC, although i do think that this was something to keep the game alive since Mario Kart X will happen in the next system in 2024 (also per Nintendo Mario Kart Tour is Mario Kart 9)
Also a few factors for the delay in DLC, ARMS and ARMS 2 development along with COVID factor
wouldnt put it past nintenderp to not count tour as a numbered game though lol
@@mightysquish3492 it's officially 9 in the list of Mario Kart mainline titles in the DLC info
They waited until AFTER MK8DX became the best selling Mario game of all time.
My predictions for Booster Course:
Turnip:
Luigi Circuit GCN
London Loop MKT
Lakeside Park GBA
Peach Gardens DS
Heli-mushroom:
Figure 8 Circuit DS
Toad Factory Wii
Los Angeles Laps MKT
Rainbow Road GBA
Rock Mushroom:
Berlin Byways MKT
Peach Beach GCN
Koopa Troopa Beach N64
Waluigi Pinball DS
Crescent:
Shy Guy Bazaar 3DS
Vancouver Velocity MKT
Mushroom Gorge Wii
Mushroom Bridge GCN
Berry:
New York Minute MKT
Sunset Wilds GBA
Maple Tree Way Wii
Banshee Boardwalk N64
Boomerang:
DK Mountain GCN
Sydney Sprint MKT
Wario Stadium N64
DK Pass DS
Feather:
Mario Circuit 4 SNES
Mushroom City GCN
Luigi's Mansion DS
Rock Rock Mountain 3DS
Cherry
Singapore Sprint MKT
Wario Colosseum GCN
Delfino Square DS
DK Summit Wii
Acorn:
Koopa Cape Wii
Airship Fortress DS
Rosalina's Ice World 3DS
Choco Island 1 SNES
Spiny Shell:
Rainbow Road GCN
Rainbow Road DS
Rainbow Road Wii
Rainbow Road 3DS