I would say they clearly agree with you about it being lifted if they chose to share the writing credits with Dagny, b/c you know they wouldn't cut someone else in on the money unless they felt they really had to. So they knew they weren't going to get away with it and just nipped it in the bud by sharing the writing credit.
I'd imagine they'd have played both tracks to the lawyers too, to get their opinion. I'd imagine very few people would be able to argue Katy had an original creation there.
Actually it's because of the song Roar by Katy Perry. She's got the "eye of the tiger", which indicates that tigers have eyes and because eagles also have eyes this is a blatant copyright.
The two songs are identical but we have to admit that it speaks for Katy if we analyze the songs thoroughly enough, on any day, in any conditions, that her boobs are bigger.
Rick is the best and by far my favorite music channel. I always feel like I’m back at the conservatory I attended whenever I watch Rick’s channel, especially when I watch the white naked videos which, to me, is crazy is on RUclips for free because people pay tens of thousands of $’s every semester to learn what Rick is teaching for free online and he is just as qualified if not over qualified to teach the material than the actual in class instructors given his schooling and degrees. This channel is a God send for any true musician.
I agree. Never Really Over feels over-produced and generic, though it may have more technical flourishes. Love You Like That is more simple and stripped down but it feels more authentic and heartfelt, mostly because of the vocals.
Nine writers is how you get the milquetoast masses not to gripe about controversial content. The rhythms and notes are simple, but effective, and the lyrics are bland and inoffensive. If it's kind of stupid, it's not pushing anyone's buttons. Then it can just generate money by featuring a pretty voice and a producer who knows their software. Stores can play it because it's not going to really offend anyone, even if there are many who don't actually like it. Nothing decided by committee is ever great, but it creates the widest base of allowability by being a compromise that most can put up with. There's a little for everyone to like along with a little, hopefully less, for everyone to dislike. It's probably not anyone's favorite song, but it's also not the worst. It's like bringing home a solid 72% on a group homework project: It's probably no one's best work, but it's also probably not going to make a reasonable parent too mad.
That's a really good view to have. There's plenty of songs out there that I don't care for personally. But I still have an appreciation for the talent of the vocalist, quality of the production, band, etc. There's more to the art of music than just love or hate.
The head of Capital records once said after listening to a demo tape "I don't like I would not buy it myself but I know a good song that will sell when I hear one" and then immediately sign the artist.
You talk about the Katy Perry song being well-produced, as if it's a saving grace. It isn't. These ubiquitous, second-rate songs are ALWAYS well-produced, but that fact does NOT make them great songs...
@@RickBeato Speaking for all of us, so glad you found this medium to shine your talents and passion(s). You very likely are reaching out and influencing more people that would be possible if you had remained "only" a Guitarist/Musician. Thank You From one Dad to another, love the "cornball" Dad Joke!
If Katy loved Dagny's song so much, she should just do a cover and pay Dagny more proper royalties. With 9 songwriters, Dagny would probably be getting peanuts for this ripoff.
Exactly. I would at least hope that at least the royalties are split up in percentages so that Dagny is getting like 90% of the sales from that song. If she isn’t, then she signed a bad deal!
Reminds me of the recent story of that one producer who added his wife - pseudonymously - to a bunch of songs as a co-writer, in order to give his company a bigger share of the royalty pie in a co-production with another company, where the royalty was split evenly per each credited contributor. It turned out she didn't even write anything. So makes you wonder if the large number of coauthors is... deliberate in this way, even if they did all drop a line or something. Mhm whether she signed a bad deal? I think KP's song just about passes as a "legally distinct", or could have been modified further to be such, the "sound-alikes" are an engine that major-publisher pop music basically runs on. I think the only options for Dagny would be that either she gets written in and gets a small piece of a bigger pie, or tries to fight them and has like a 50-50 probability of getting bankrupted instead. When you deal with sharks, the only "good" deal is that they leave you alive after they gnaw on you a little bit.
Hold my tritone. Haha I'm kidding. But I do make videos like this and a follower recommended I check out Rick. Now I know why! I love watching his breakdowns - he can find something cool about literally anything.
Loved "Never Really Over" when it came out, so much so I looked to see who wrote it, that's when I discovered Dagny, who is now probably one of my all-time favourites, she deserves greater fame than she has. Tracks like "Backbeat", "Used to You", "Wearing Nothing" I love.
I totally agree with you. It's what makes the Dagny song listenable, even if it's not really my cup of tea, whether the Katy version is just another unbearable pop soup that everyone serves, and Beato says it about the ''weird snare'': well of course it's weird, because it's fake. And if it's not, it's so distorted on the computer you don't recognize it... Just like Katy voice 🙄, totally fake (in the result product, I'm not judging her talent as a singer).
Agree when I first herd the Katy Perry song I hated it but when I was listening to this and people in the comments were talking about this video I went to watch it and I was shocked how similar they were and how my reactions were so different. I think it’s because we see Katy as someone so corporate while dagney is a small artist
@Christian Marin I feel dirty and cheap, now. Well, actually, I already felt that way but now I can blame it on @Rick Beato for snookering me into listening to and nearly appeciating the production of the music I hate.
For songs that are undoubtedly NOT great, he's going to trick us into watching a song analysis by noting how the artist copied someone else. That Beato is a shrewd one. ;-)
Dagny will probably make more money from the copy than her own song, even though she's not getting much from each sale (maybe a penny?), Katy will (likely) sell a lot more of them. If it was my song that was copied, I'd accept that deal, I think. I'd have to look at the numbers, though.
I do agree...except that i always considered it a total rip that in the past, the song engineers/musicians/producers didn't get writing credit when it was often their hook/instrumentation/baseline that made the song so popular. and yet...what does that mean for royalties now? are there more royalties taken out of the profits, or do more people have to split the same amount of royalties??
It really rubs me the wrong way that you start by telling how Katy Perry copied a smaller artist, and then go on to praising and giving spotlight to Katy Perry for the last 2/3 of the video.
iI think its one of his tactics in his videos. Yes he does praise the song but before that, he literally shows every evidence that the song is not original and there were many accountable but did nothing. So we know it is 'well done', but it is from other artist's creation.
Not balanced video since Katey "steal yo song" get to much attention. It's like reviewing a thief stealing a purse and using 60 % of the video praising the thief's footwork running away..
LOL, Rick goes from “Katy Perry ripped off this song” to “What makes this Katy Perry song great?” Rick, I hope you never lose your enthusiasm for music of all styles!
When you get a copyright strike... who is going to get the advertising money? I'm editing this comment to add the requisite LOLz and Laughing face emoji's that I originally forgot to add to my tongue in cheek smart ass rhetorical question... 😆😜🤣
Totally agree. Also, it probably helps that Dagny's song really feels like someone trying to find the right words to express her intense love for someone, while Katy's, for lack of a better description, sounds like 5 different writers trying to make a single idea of not getting over someone.
It’s zedd who produced it. Katy doesn’t have to do with production and probably not even the chords. She does lyrics writing/topline when she works with max martin
I find the moment with the 9 writers absolutely hilarious! In my native language (Bulgarian) we have a saying that goes along the lines of “9 grannies - a puny child” meaning “too many cooks spoil the broth”
Did she credit Sara Bareilles in the same way she has credited Dagny for this song? If you're sharing credit and revenue there's no real issue. KP and her team get to be a bit creative themselves, imagining a new lyric for a vibe that has really spoken to them. The original artists get recognition, revenue and another route into the playlists of people who might not otherwise have encountered them yet. If the 'inspired' artist is completely upfront about the origin of the inspiration with a clear credit and redirection to the original artist, it can only be good for everyone.
Then why bother watching this video? Lol, what a silly comment. Prefer what you want. You don't have to tell the whole world. Except for me(to tell you how silly you are), nobody cares. What's forced? Overproduced? What's overproduced? A lot of songs in today's music sound like this. Many like it, others don't.
Through this song I got interested in Dagny's music. I can't explain what it is about her music but it is catchy as hell. Add her fantastic voice and looks and she's just a winner
It's not Plagiarism, if she hadn't given credit it would be. It's just really interesting, which is what Rick is pointing out, not that Katy Perry did anything wrong.
Awesome video, Rick! Not a musician and no musical talent, but former radio jock and work in production with orchestra's now, and your explanation is very cool and understandable. I've often heard "borrowed pieces", but your "inspired" description is truly accurate as "ripped off". Really liked how you compared them on ProTools! And you're right.. easily overlapped to the point where it truly sounded like one well mixed song.
I finally listened to her, and hate her entire style. Insincere commercial garbage, as far as I'm concerned. There are a lot of them around, and they are all interchangeable.
My world of music made a huge change when I started playing guitar. Before that music was like eating a casserole. You could pick out a few flavors but in general it was just the overall package. Afterwords much like a chef being able to taste all the different ingredients in every bite, my ear could now hear the individual notes, chords, bass, drums and keyboards of every instrument to some level. You sir would be in my view one of the great master chefs of the world. You hear things I can barely hear even when you point them out. Thank You.
I think in most cases, the vast majority of these “writers” are really producers, that’s why almost any current pop song features high quality values in that regard, but are seriously lacking in the songwriting department because many of them are basically sound designers not composers. Of those 9, maybe only 3 actually wrote this song, the rest added 300+ layers of fx, overdubs, samples, etc over it.
In current pop music, having anything interesting in the words, melody, or chords would just get in the way of the important things, the production and the heavy breathing. Mostly the production.
That's even more troubling... "The rest" couldn't come up with something original and had to include the actual original creators in order to release this one. Mind-blowing...
Diecast Newb And I guess that’s the case here, back in the day there were credits for writers, producers, session musicians etc. Nowadays everyone are quoted as a “writer”, that doesn’t make much sense to me.
Never heard of Dagny but I've heard of Katie Perry. Both are ear poison to me but ole Dagny would be smart to take the checks from Katie JUGSernaut Perry.
I looked this up when the song came out, Perry got permission beforehand and I'm pretty sure Dagny even posted something about it on her social at the time. This video is kind of clickbait
I like how he is completely open to pop music while you would think an older guy like him who grew up playing jazz and lived through the golden age of rock would scorn pop music but instead he embraces it an uses it as an opportunity to teach us
@@m.w.r.1408 Yeah, it would be totally "legitimate" for him to dismiss this type of music given his age and background. And indeed, his open mindedness is one of the things that makes him such a great teacher.
Its easy for Rick because he actually likes all of it as he has stated before....I do not,....I wanted to, but it is just soo awful. If I said anything other than I perceive stuff like this as being largely horrible and un-musical, I'd be lying.
@@stricknine8623 The thing is, I don't think it's "easier" for him. Imo he just likes Music so much that he always finds SOMETHING good to say about every genre. He is able to put them into their proper context and apreciate them for what they are. He aknowledges the flaws of the genre, which as he points out are numerous, but he recognizes that pop CAN be valuable. He surely doesn't like pop in the same way he likes 80's rock. Maybe your problem is that you are trying to like pop the same way you like other genres of music, idk. But, of course, honesty comes first. And there is nothing wrong in not liking it.
I love that as learned and legit as Rick is, he can still enjoy some well (over?) produced pop stuff. If you can't admit to needing some bubble gum once in a while, you're not being honest.
I'm an Ol School RnB head..used to play Jazz Fusion guitar...Love Miles and all that stuff..but I like Katy Perry pop too...I think some of her music is great..I like Rick too cause he is just the coolest dude ever.
A good song is a good song is a good song. For example, covers of Bob Dylan's songs. I'll be honest, I hated when Bob Dylan does it himself because he sounds like someone talking asleep, but when Jimi Hendrix does it, it's an explosive cultural experience
@@cheeseUout bob dylan comes into his own as a folk artist, he can't be everything. Jimi Hendrix wouldn't fit very well in black sabbath or led zepplin. Every singer has to stick to a genre, they just wouldn't fit as well anywhere else
@@cheeseUout have you ever listened to the really early Bob Dylan. I wasn’t the biggest fan of him and preferred the covers as well until I saw the Scorsese documentary and heard The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3 and was absolutely floored. Songs like, Seven Curses ( in drop D ), Farewell Angelina, Like a Rolling Stone on solo piano, Mamma You’ve Been on My Mind....these are some of the best songs I’ve ever heard, at least to me. The lyrics are pure genius. The acoustic set at the Royal Albert Hall which features Its All Over Now Baby Blue, Desolation Row and Mr. Tambourine man with amazing harmonica playing and great dynamic acoustic guitar is the stuff of a genius. His lyric in those songs, written is his early 20’s, contain the wisdom of a man who has lived many lives.
7:33 I used to think pop music was the most worthless form of music when I was a kid. I grew up listening to rock, metal and hip hop, all stuff I felt had real "substance". But once I started making my own music, I started really appreciating pop music for its feel more than anything. Also I find that even the worst hit songs at least have something worth hearing and learning from in them.
He is a saint of music. I am learning how my talent is limited, which is critical to making the most of what you've got. There's a cliche in bicycle racing: "Train your weaknesses, race your strengths" .
Your version of playing both tracks at the same time is probably the best version. It’s time for you to start a career in DJaying. You can say you were inspired by both and pay a sampling tribute to both, lol
You have to understand they're not songwriters, they're producers that sit down to discuss what has already worked and how they can re-make it. But at least this time the lawyers called the original writer and have her have her deserved credits.
That's the very first thing I thought. Please tell me when, in the history of all music, did it take 9 people to write one measly song ? It actually takes a musical think-tank to come up with this ? You almost get the impression that this generation is running out of ideas.
That’s most pop music you hear. All these pop singers are just faces, their singing is overpoduced by nerds and their writing is done by old white guys. Then people think the singers actually wrote the song 🥴
There's an old meme that shows a Beyonce song, and then lists off the 15 writers on one side, and then Bohemian Rhapsody, written by Freddie Mercury on the other side.
Is it unkind to suggest that the Dagny track is itself a clichéd mashup of stale dance-pop tropes with nary an original moment to be found? What does it even mean to copy a piece of music that is itself just a collage of other collages? Methinks we've lost the thread!
@@timq6224 Rick admits that bubblegum pop is one of his guilty pleasures. He's aware of what it is, and is capable of appreciating it for what it is rather than sitting back and smelling his own smug farts.
I agree with Tim Q. In this video Rick comes across as a phony sell-out, trying to make this song out to be some masterpiece. I've watched so many of Rick's videos on what makes songs great, and this song is the antithesis of those songs. Rick's wife was right, songs like this are popular because people like crappy music. This video is obviously a poor attempt by Rick to be one of those people, just selling out to get more people to like and subscribe. This video makes me want to unsubscribe actually.
Facts! Look at Chris Brown's "Don't Wake Me Up",...11 writers and none of them realized maybe he shouldn't be drinking coffee if he's trying to sleep? I guess it's just me...
I randomly heard this one when my brother was showing me some of the music he was listening to back in 2013, and I recognized the plagiarism right away... The intro of a song called “The Ghost of You and I” that was released by a band called “Story of the Year” is totally ripped of from the intro of a song called “New Noise,” by a kickass band named “Refused.” Story of the Year’s album was called “The Constant,” on Epitaph Records. Wikipedia states that “All lyrics written by Dan Marsala and Adam Russell, all music composed by Story of the Year” on this album. 🙄 *Released* February 16, 2010 *Recorded* Mid 2009 _CLEARLY NO CREDIT WAS GIVEN TO THE BAND REFUSED!_ Refused’s album that had the “New Noise” song on it was called “The Shape of Punk to Come.” Wikipedia states that the album was: *Released* October 27, 1998 *Recorded* Late 1997 Album credits: Music By, Words By - Refused The band (Refused) was broken up/taking a long hiatus during the period of time that Story of the Year’s “The Constant” was written/released. Wikipedia says that for Refused: *Years active* 1991-1998, 2012; 2014-present “The Shape of Punk to Come” was originally released on the “Burning Heart” record label. However, Burning Heart has a close affiliation with Californian label Epitaph Records, who own the rights to distribute Burning Heart's output in North America. _THEREFORE, BOTH ALBUMS WERE DISTRIBUTED ON THE “EPITAPH RECORDS” RECORD LABEL._ They knew exactly what they were doing. I imagine it would make Refused pretty pissed off if they ever come across that theft and butchering of their amazing, ORIGINAL music, wherein they didn’t even get writing credit.
And for a lot longer than most people realize. The bass intro for You Can't Hurry Love has been copied verbatim for tons of songs. The Doors admitted to ripping off the Kinks song "All Day and All of the Night" for their own song "Hello, I Love You". I would even hazard to guess it happened MORE in the 50s-70s- it just wasn't as big a deal to rip a song wholesale from another artist, and record it as your own.
Very spooky indeed :) By the way: to me, the background seems to be mixed in via Chroma key, at least the contours of his shirt are jittering against the background. But I could be wrong. Whereas: a static background could save electricity. OK, just kidding.
"I'm sick and tired of people saying that we put out 11 albums that sound exactly the same. In fact, we've put out 12 albums that sound exactly the same." -Angus Young
This is not the first time Katy Perry has done this, or even the most blatant case. She is "inspired" to write her own songs by the songs of others, just like Ray Parker Jr. was "inspired" to write the Ghostbusters theme by Huey Lewis' "I Want a New Drug." See the Sara Bareilles song "Brave" to the Katy Perry's "Roar" (which came out several months later).
That's not a thing. Most artists are inspired by other songs they hear. See the Katy Perry's song "birthday" and the Maroon 5's "Sugar" (which came out several months later)
@@preciousbetine71 Inspired is one thing, lifted while changing the lyrics and maybe the tempo is quite another. This isn't a statement on Katy Perry solely. These "artists" use a team of writers that they'll then add a line to for credit. It is a poor commentary on the state of modern pop music that it takes such a team of writers to essentially copy and rewrite songs that are so underwhelming to begin with.
As far as Perry is concerned, if she did that it's because she wanted to - not because she needs to: she doesn't. It's Katy Perry - she's not short of ideas and talent. If she was so into the song that she wanted to only make minor changes and also credit the original artist while building on it, isn't it just a case of small potatoes and everyone's happy?
I have zero clue why this video was suggested to me, because nothing I have viewed recently is even close, but I'm glad I watched it! I'm sure Rick will never see this comment, but I would kill or die to see a similar commentary on "I Love You Always Forever" by Donna Lewis, one of my all-time favorite guilty pleasure songs.
One of my demos was plagiarised a few years back that went on to be a no.1 hit in US & UK. My demo was written 4 years before hand. Anyway I was told by musicologists that it could be a coincidence and that I should not pursue it, but there were too many similarities for it to be a coincidence. You can play them on top of each other. The song was ‘These Days’ Rudimental, mine was ‘Just One Day’. The music industry is filled with people stealing creatives ideas. Makes me sick, and sad for us who actually come up with new ideas. Great vid bro, very on point. 👉🏼🎹
@@servraghgiorsal7382 Thanks, I actually don’t know anymore! I had people involved at a high level that I know personally who where also working with Jess Glynn at the time (who was one of the vocalists on it) but after the Musicologists said it was changed enough so that they could get away with it, everybody involved just dropped it even though they all agreed it was obvious. I was told that if I was to pursue it in U.S rather than U.K I can pursue using other ways of proving it. The musicologist route is highly floored. One of the musicologists said that some artists who steal ideas actually use musicologists to help them change it just enough to clear it, and then they give them points on the track or money, so the stolen song would now be cleared by any other musicologist if checked. Sick ha?
@@dollybird6290 Hi, it was a demo along with some other demo songs I had written at the time, and they were all sitting on one of my websites for a few years. They were all registered in 2014 with a copyrighting company and the documents are all still valid. I shared the site to thousands of people including many artists and managers that I knew at the time and many I did not. It is not at all a hard to believe it was heard and copied by the so-called writer of ‘These days’ first demo who I will not name on here. After I heard their version years later on the radio I contacted lawyers and musicologists, and after wasting money and effort with my team it was clear they had covered their butts by changing it ever so slightly enough to clear the analysis of 2 musicologists, but the process they use in my opinion is void of sense and unfair, when it is very clear to hear it how it was copied. I rapidly pulled down all my unreleased songs from all my sites while I tried to get my case going, so the song isn’t online anymore. If you would like to hear the comparisons, Google my name and contact me though my site, and I’ll send you a private link to hear them both. I have stopped releasing my personal songs because of this, and so now I just stick with writing for library companies. This is the second time it has happened to me now. Uncreative writers in the music industry are just rats looking to steel whatever they can, and then they hire a musicologist to clear the stolen idea. It’s just sad.
Watching you Rick is way more entertaining than watching those win fails movies in youtube... I had so much fun watching that story about Sergio Mende's song! You are great!
How about her song “Roar” which rips off the title from Helen Reddy, lyrics from Survivor and sounds identical to “Brave” by Sarah Bareilles? There’s not enough room in the liner notes to include everyone who “helped” her write that song.
Roar is much less alike Brave than these two. It shares a similar drum beat, and similar progression in the verses, but the chorus is a different progression entirely, and quite frankly, the hook in infinitely superior on Roar. They were also released within months of each other, and very much could thus both be the products of a beat trend that had existed in clubs.
@@kingsxkids - Another key difference is Katy is “borrowing” all these lines singing about how great and wonderful she is while Sara wrote an original piece to inspire others to do great things. I mean i thought it was Muhammad Ali that floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee and Rocky had the “Eye of the Tiger”. Nope, apparently it’s Katy. She is a champion and you’re going to hear her roar.
*In the writing meeting* How many times can we rhyme, “over,” with, “over”?
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that's easy, if it's a pop song you can do it over and over and over and over (with different note intonations, you don't want to be cheap dude...) hahaha
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Same rule applies to "Even" in pop songs... I can't even... I even... why even? lol
You know, there really is something beautiful about the lyrics of Dagny's song that Katy Perry and team couldn't replicate to my ear. It's this idea that Dagny is admitting that she doesn't know how to communicate how much she loves her partner, but she's trying so hard to do so in her song is brilliant. Katy Perry's "Never Really Over" on the other hand is so much more literal in expressing her feelings that the lyrics come off nearly as authentically, especially since much more of the energy of the song is devoted to showcasing Perry's vocal talents. I think that's the extra something that to me makes "Love You Like That" feel like a nearly perfect pop song.
I would say they clearly agree with you about it being lifted if they chose to share the writing credits with Dagny, b/c you know they wouldn't cut someone else in on the money unless they felt they really had to. So they knew they weren't going to get away with it and just nipped it in the bud by sharing the writing credit.
@ZorkWHouse81 This is a comment from someone who is in the music business and knows exactly what is going on here.
I'd imagine they'd have played both tracks to the lawyers too, to get their opinion. I'd imagine very few people would be able to argue Katy had an original creation there.
It's essentially a cover with different lyrics.
If only Page and Plant had had the same foresight.
@Gerhard Schöner It's not a sheep.
The Eagles are gonna block this video because it contains sound and Hotel California also has sound as well.
I laughed way too hard at this. My brand of humor. 🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😎👍🏻
Actually it's because of the song Roar by Katy Perry. She's got the "eye of the tiger", which indicates that tigers have eyes and because eagles also have eyes this is a blatant copyright.
@@chris16durban 😂🤣
HAHHAHHAHHA
Yeah but in Katy Perry's defence she's wearing a different dress.
Literally 'HAH!'ed out loud at this comment! XD
No, just different knickers.
The two songs are identical but we have to admit that it speaks for Katy if we analyze the songs thoroughly enough, on any day, in any conditions, that her boobs are bigger.
😂😂😂
And fills it better? Asking for a friend
The dude put both songs knowing that he will be unfairly demonetized, he's did it for the content disregarding the greed of the big assholes, respect.
And to pull more people into the channel for the monetised content, plus selling beato books
@@Ultima2876 Still, Rick deserves the recognition!
Rick is the best and by far my favorite music channel. I always feel like I’m back at the conservatory I attended whenever I watch Rick’s channel, especially when I watch the white naked videos which, to me, is crazy is on RUclips for free because people pay tens of thousands of $’s every semester to learn what Rick is teaching for free online and he is just as qualified if not over qualified to teach the material than the actual in class instructors given his schooling and degrees. This channel is a God send for any true musician.
@@jordandangelo180 completely agree. It's almost to the point where you are almost dumb paying for it.
@@Ultima2876 Glad to see someone gets it...
I prefer Dagny's "love you like that" because the vocals breathe more compared to what feels robotic in "Never Really Over"
I agree. Never Really Over feels over-produced and generic, though it may have more technical flourishes. Love You Like That is more simple and stripped down but it feels more authentic and heartfelt, mostly because of the vocals.
was a much more "warm" "organic" sound.... lame adjectives, but the katy perry one too hifi
You're the most open minded music educator on RUclips, Rick. No genre snobbery at all.
Well he is a producer
yup, but the comments on his videos on the other hand...
Rick knows all this genre of music blows. But it's what people are listening to, and what gets the YT clicks.
@Luke Pop is not good
I’m a metalhead, but I’m open minded. In my opinion, Prof. Beato is as good a guide to “pop music that doesn’t suck” as there is.
You should just release that doubled up song as your own version, email Katy and Dagny let them know you were inspired by them lol
It could have ten writers. I'll bet some of the best songs have ten writers.
AHHAHAHAHA
@@kirkjohnson9353 Sure. Did you know that Lennon-McCartney are actually ten guys?
Its very unlikely that either hold the copyright
@@igorszamaszow171 yea they meant Lennon and McCartney families, they were actually 5 Lennon and 5 McCartney
"Who wrote those two lines?" That's the sort of lyrical brilliance that comes from having NINE writers on a single song.
and none of them could come up with a better line. :(
Everybody gets to wet their beak.
I can't even go on RUclips without even watching a Rick Beato video.
Nine writers is how you get the milquetoast masses not to gripe about controversial content. The rhythms and notes are simple, but effective, and the lyrics are bland and inoffensive. If it's kind of stupid, it's not pushing anyone's buttons. Then it can just generate money by featuring a pretty voice and a producer who knows their software. Stores can play it because it's not going to really offend anyone, even if there are many who don't actually like it. Nothing decided by committee is ever great, but it creates the widest base of allowability by being a compromise that most can put up with. There's a little for everyone to like along with a little, hopefully less, for everyone to dislike. It's probably not anyone's favorite song, but it's also not the worst. It's like bringing home a solid 72% on a group homework project: It's probably no one's best work, but it's also probably not going to make a reasonable parent too mad.
@@edgararb2443 Yeah... we're just poking fun at music creators Edgar. At ease...
Rick makes me appreciate music I don't like.
That's a really good view to have. There's plenty of songs out there that I don't care for personally. But I still have an appreciation for the talent of the vocalist, quality of the production, band, etc. There's more to the art of music than just love or hate.
I agree. I really don't like the current pop genre, but I enjoy listening to Rick to appreciate hooks and production.
True
It’s weird, isn’t it ??
The head of Capital records once said after listening to a demo tape "I don't like I would not buy it myself but I know a good song that will sell when I hear one" and then immediately sign the artist.
Classic Rick ,”I was in the parking lot at Starbucks....”
Haha yeah Pickle Riiiiickkk!!! (Don't know why I thought of that haha, don't mind me)
Sup five watt world nice to see you here.
@@JeiShian haha nice
Classic Rick: make awesome content with pop songs i would have never payed attention to if it wasn't for him. THX for being you!
"Starbucks" listening to "Spotify"... product placement??? Could be...?
As Toto's Steve Lukather recently said:
"Today's hitsongs are written by 9 different songwriters"
"Bohemian Rhapsody was written by Freddie Mercury"
Paul McCartney literally wrote more hit songs in his sleep than Katy Perry has written in her entire life.
@@jonde4445 lol. Yes. He dreamt Yesterday
@@TheReubenKincaid And Let it Be
@@jonde4445 Katy Perry NEVER wrote a song! McCartney wrote many song he had as dreams while sleeping!
@@massimomaxmajorana thats not entirely true hewrote an entire album of Christian pop before coming out with kissed a girl
Now put out the processed hybrid as your own and give each of them a credit.
😂
And you'll have 10 writers ;-)
Man I would so buy that on vinyl 😂
Rick is a genius.
Best comment.
You talk about the Katy Perry song being well-produced, as if it's a saving grace. It isn't. These ubiquitous, second-rate songs are ALWAYS well-produced, but that fact does NOT make them great songs...
Cookie cutter music that uses _psychology of resonance emotion_ is what caused the backlash against Nickelback.
Like 5 minute craft or bright side youtube videos, but with music
And they won't be playing it 10, 20,30 years from now either
Amen, a well made turd is still a turd.
" but that fact does NOT make them great songs..."
....that fact makes them unmemorable and ordinary.
The way Rick smiles at himself after saying “the KEY to making dance hits” lol. Ultimate Dad Energy
I just lol’ed at that then saw your comment 😂
Haha! It was a total cornball Dad joke :)
@@RickBeato Speaking for all of us, so glad you found this medium to shine your talents and passion(s).
You very likely are reaching out and influencing more people that would be possible if you had remained "only" a Guitarist/Musician.
Thank You
From one Dad to another, love the "cornball" Dad Joke!
@@RickBeato "Cornballer" Rick on rock!
Wait, scratch that. Reverse it. 😉
@@RickBeato The best kind, yes.
If Katy loved Dagny's song so much, she should just do a cover and pay Dagny more proper royalties. With 9 songwriters, Dagny would probably be getting peanuts for this ripoff.
Exactly. I would at least hope that at least the royalties are split up in percentages so that Dagny is getting like 90% of the sales from that song. If she isn’t, then she signed a bad deal!
Reminds me of the recent story of that one producer who added his wife - pseudonymously - to a bunch of songs as a co-writer, in order to give his company a bigger share of the royalty pie in a co-production with another company, where the royalty was split evenly per each credited contributor. It turned out she didn't even write anything.
So makes you wonder if the large number of coauthors is... deliberate in this way, even if they did all drop a line or something.
Mhm whether she signed a bad deal? I think KP's song just about passes as a "legally distinct", or could have been modified further to be such, the "sound-alikes" are an engine that major-publisher pop music basically runs on. I think the only options for Dagny would be that either she gets written in and gets a small piece of a bigger pie, or tries to fight them and has like a 50-50 probability of getting bankrupted instead. When you deal with sharks, the only "good" deal is that they leave you alive after they gnaw on you a little bit.
Come on Katy Perry needs the money to get new wierder haircuts while staring at Sgt Pepper knowing its forever beyond her reach
@@joeschmoe3665 underrated comment
Katy tried put dagny as a support on her tour
There is no-one else on RUclips who can deconstruct a song with the passion and insight of Rick Beato
Hold my tritone.
Haha I'm kidding. But I do make videos like this and a follower recommended I check out Rick. Now I know why! I love watching his breakdowns - he can find something cool about literally anything.
Loved "Never Really Over" when it came out, so much so I looked to see who wrote it, that's when I discovered Dagny, who is now probably one of my all-time favourites, she deserves greater fame than she has. Tracks like "Backbeat", "Used to You", "Wearing Nothing" I love.
Me too.
I don't know ... To me the Dagny song has something sweet and authentic to it that's polished away by the Katy Perry copy.
I totally agree with you. It's what makes the Dagny song listenable, even if it's not really my cup of tea, whether the Katy version is just another unbearable pop soup that everyone serves, and Beato says it about the ''weird snare'': well of course it's weird, because it's fake. And if it's not, it's so distorted on the computer you don't recognize it... Just like Katy voice 🙄, totally fake (in the result product, I'm not judging her talent as a singer).
Agree when I first herd the Katy Perry song I hated it but when I was listening to this and people in the comments were talking about this video I went to watch it and I was shocked how similar they were and how my reactions were so different. I think it’s because we see Katy as someone so corporate while dagney is a small artist
It’s worse than that it’s like she sped up the track and and took a way the swing the beat sounds so robotic wtf
I think Katy Perry's song improved an already great song
I agree. The Katie Perry version is awful.
I laughed out loud when you hard panned them lmao BALLER.
Please release that remix Rick. Don’t expect many royalties though, I hear the points on are already very diluted.
🤣🤣
It almost made it sound interesting
Rick could sell that version and become the tenth writer on both songs, everyone becomes even richer. Everyone wins
The Dagny song has a more raw “real” feel and doesn’t sound over produced like the Katy Perry “version” of her song. Sorry Rick but for me Dagny wins.
If Katy Hudson had a better producer she may have stayed with Christian music instead of selling her soul.
I go with Dagny...she reminds me of Aurora.
I totally agree. I am with Rick on the two lines of Lyrics about going on the internet, and checking for your name are just awful.
@@billkeithchannel how did she sell her soul? Do you even know what that means?
@@billkeithchannel don't worry, she didn't sell her soul :)
8 ppl to turn on the computer, 1 to adjust the tempo.
Rick just finessed us into watching a katy perry song analysis😅
@Christian Marin I feel dirty and cheap, now.
Well, actually, I already felt that way but now I can blame it on @Rick Beato for snookering me into listening to and nearly appeciating the production of the music I hate.
Sly dog
For songs that are undoubtedly NOT great, he's going to trick us into watching a song analysis by noting how the artist copied someone else. That Beato is a shrewd one. ;-)
Shame on you Rick now I feel so dirty
@@lescaster2179 sorry Les I should've read the comments before sharing what was on my mind first
Yes, it appears that Perry's team understood that there was a good chance they could run into © trouble and so they afford Dagny a writing credit (and the publishing money that goes with it) in exchange for not risking a lawsuit in which lawyers would be taking a chunk of those royalties for themselves in the form of legal fees. For Dagny, this is a great deal. She can now make money on two songs - and the one Katie Perry did may actually end up making her more money. On another note, the crazy number of songwriters on pop music today is not really about who wrote the song, but who is getting to share in the song writing publishing money.
Dagny will probably make more money from the copy than her own song, even though she's not getting much from each sale (maybe a penny?), Katy will (likely) sell a lot more of them. If it was my song that was copied, I'd accept that deal, I think. I'd have to look at the numbers, though.
I do agree...except that i always considered it a total rip that in the past, the song engineers/musicians/producers didn't get writing credit when it was often their hook/instrumentation/baseline that made the song so popular. and yet...what does that mean for royalties now? are there more royalties taken out of the profits, or do more people have to split the same amount of royalties??
@@prog.rocker your hardly thinkin bout take a walk on the wild side? That’s always the one that gets me thinking along the lines of your comment
it's not really about Dagny, it's about 9 adult people, producers and writers, came up with total rip off instead of something original. What a joke
@@thunderstrike99 The modern pop industry is entirely a scam. what would you expect?
It really rubs me the wrong way that you start by telling how Katy Perry copied a smaller artist, and then go on to praising and giving spotlight to Katy Perry for the last 2/3 of the video.
agreed
Yeah, that's pretty shitty. Nothing but a bigger artist ripping off someone smaller. Hostile takeover.
Right? Borderline, clickbait..
iI think its one of his tactics in his videos. Yes he does praise the song but before that, he literally shows every evidence that the song is not original and there were many accountable but did nothing. So we know it is 'well done', but it is from other artist's creation.
Not balanced video since Katey "steal yo song" get to much attention. It's like reviewing a thief stealing a purse and using 60 % of the video praising the thief's footwork running away..
I will say, after learning Katy's version was basically Dagny's with different lyrics--I checked Dagny out. And I fell in love. Dagny is amazing.
So addicted to her music! 😭💗🤗 HELP!!!
So it's a win-win for KP and Dagny, what's the problem?
@@AlbertWeijers No one said there was a problem, dude. Chillax.
@@puresugah Rick Beato says there's a problem, I thought.
Totally agree!
Michael Jackson: King of Pop
Rick Beato: King of Pop Forensics
LOL, Rick goes from “Katy Perry ripped off this song” to “What makes this Katy Perry song great?”
Rick, I hope you never lose your enthusiasm for music of all styles!
Lol!😜
Ok I wasn’t the only one 😂😂😂
This, music tastes are subjective, you don't have to always like certain genres to be able to recognize when something is done well.
Yeah that's exactly what i was going to type too.
And this is why I love this channel
When you hard pan the two, it sounds better than either sounds by itself. The pattern offsets sound amazing.
When you get a copyright strike... who is going to get the advertising money?
I'm editing this comment to add the requisite LOLz and Laughing face emoji's that I originally forgot to add to my tongue in cheek smart ass rhetorical question...
😆😜🤣
Glen, you here? :)
Whoa- channel crossover!
A wild Glen appears...
I should've known you followed Rick when you debated Zappa albums in today's video. 😆
Haha I wonder the same
Question: How many people does it take to write a Katy Perry song?
Answer: Not enough to make it worth listening to.
My exact thoughts, mate.
Brilliant.
😅🤣😂
I could say that about a lottttttt of "artists" these days
All music 2000- on is garbage.
Rick has just tricked me into listening to Katy Perry for 12 minutes. Well played, Sir...well played.
He ain't going to trick me lmfao I'm out
Dagny's is the better song, imo. There's more space in the verses to enjoy the emotion of her lyrics. Perry's is a nonstop mess of vocals.
agree
Ditto!
Totally agree. Also, it probably helps that Dagny's song really feels like someone trying to find the right words to express her intense love for someone, while Katy's, for lack of a better description, sounds like 5 different writers trying to make a single idea of not getting over someone.
dagny's is a good song, but perry made it her own and much better.
Zedd produced the sound don't blame always women smh 🤦
Typical current Pop song:
1. Repetitive same note
2. Big Sound effect
3. 80's sounds
4. Clap/snap track
@@jonde4445 OMG WHAT is the preoccupation with "finger snaps"???? Instant dislike.
4. everything sung has the same tone.
so generic and bland
Anthems for the dull-minded.
5. Blatant quantizing.
Katy Perry: “And I would have gotten away with it too, if not for that pesky audiophile!”
*cough Dark Horse cough*
Here's like 69 for ya
gotten away with what exactly?
@@skyblazeeterno Its the 2nd time she plagerized a song. Dark Horse won a lawsuit against Katy Perry.
It’s zedd who produced it. Katy doesn’t have to do with production and probably not even the chords. She does lyrics writing/topline when she works with max martin
Rick Beato channel is the only place i can force myself to listen to a Katy Perry song.
Who cares? Listen to what you want. That's your choice.
@@sekulrtsnfnugg6126 He means because her music is like so much of today's music. Overproduced, synthesized, auto-tuned CRAP.
Ditto.
Katty Perry sucks
@@javiercisternasnajle LOL. She does. Her music is awful.
I actually really like them together better than the individual songs. It is much more interesting with all of the parts together. Whoa!
Smells like a new series: What makes this rip off kind of great?
Lol, yes!
Yeah, but that would put rip-offs in spotlight they didn't earn and don't deserve.
😂
Watching this video means that I just listened to more Katy Perry than the rest of my life combined.
Same here!
You’re missing out
@@minnie6310 really?
Cmon I know you listened to Just Kissed A Girl 40000 times. 🤣
@@михаников Yes tbh. Katy used to make the most well-produced pop you can get.
this man: explains music
me who knows nothing about music : yes i agree
me watching an 8-Bit Music Theory video
@Gernot Schrader
People who know and practice music have far more developed ears than people who don’t.
I find the moment with the 9 writers absolutely hilarious! In my native language (Bulgarian) we have a saying that goes along the lines of “9 grannies - a puny child” meaning “too many cooks spoil the broth”
Even with 9 women for month, you can't get a baby! Lol
The irony will be when this video gets flagged for copyright infringement.
Probably a good thing Paul.
Nobody should be making money out of this utter crap thats called “music” this past decade or more.
@@mmazz30 That's just it. The company will take money from Rick which is just stupid.
Yes but by which publishing company? He knows it’s coming...
By nine different people.
Perry did this to Sara Bareilles (lifted entire sections of Bareilles' "Brave" and turned it into "Roar"). Jeez.
I was looking for this comment 👍😉
Well said Steve.
Did she credit Sara Bareilles in the same way she has credited Dagny for this song? If you're sharing credit and revenue there's no real issue. KP and her team get to be a bit creative themselves, imagining a new lyric for a vibe that has really spoken to them. The original artists get recognition, revenue and another route into the playlists of people who might not otherwise have encountered them yet. If the 'inspired' artist is completely upfront about the origin of the inspiration with a clear credit and redirection to the original artist, it can only be good for everyone.
I much prefer the Dagny version. It doesn't sound as 'forced' or over-produced as the Katy Perry version.
Then why bother watching this video? Lol, what a silly comment. Prefer what you want. You don't have to tell the whole world. Except for me(to tell you how silly you are), nobody cares. What's forced? Overproduced? What's overproduced? A lot of songs in today's music sound like this. Many like it, others don't.
@@sekulrtsnfnugg6126 "Nobody Cres" but you obviously must do to take the time to comment.
@@sekulrtsnfnugg6126 You seem to overreact easily.
Dagny's original verision is superior in every way :-)
@@sekulrtsnfnugg6126 sorry you’re not the only one who’s allowed to share their opinion.
@@rinelcabuguas1472 you did read my comment right? I explicitly point this out.
Through this song I got interested in Dagny's music. I can't explain what it is about her music but it is catchy as hell. Add her fantastic voice and looks and she's just a winner
Dagny's version is what my ears like.
Not gonna lie. I was inspired to find it. I wanted to hear Rick talk more about her killer vocals
Perry's is so overwrought, yet completely forgettable. It's the aural equivalent of a DC movie.
the original had feel, way more emotion behind it. Katy Perry's version is corporate bullshit lol
The higher harmony that comes in the second chorus is perfect
I'm so addicted to Dagny's music! 😭💗🤗 Help!!!
“WHAT MAKES THIS PLAGIARISM GREAT”
yawn
It's not Plagiarism, if she hadn't given credit it would be. It's just really interesting, which is what Rick is pointing out, not that Katy Perry did anything wrong.
I don’t care
@@agnetha78trompet Yep she is too loud
What plagiarism? Dagny gave Katy Perry full permission to use her song.
Personally I prefer the Dagny song, it doesn't sound so over-produced.
Vocals are also much better
Agreed. At the beginning of Katy Perry's song, I could have sworn she was autotuned. Maybe it can be done by production with her real vice, but ...
Lots of evidence katy relies on autotune, has for years.
@@jitiu4l926 But does/did Dagny? If so, she (or her producer) hid it better.
@@FPSBuzz This ^^
Awesome video, Rick! Not a musician and no musical talent, but former radio jock and work in production with orchestra's now, and your explanation is very cool and understandable. I've often heard "borrowed pieces", but your "inspired" description is truly accurate as "ripped off". Really liked how you compared them on ProTools! And you're right.. easily overlapped to the point where it truly sounded like one well mixed song.
This went from "This is a rip off of someone else's song" to WHAT MAKES THIS SONG GREAT episode! Hahaha love it Rick!
The problem is that the song is not great at all... Rick's talent seems wasted here... I couldn't care less for any of these so called songs.
I've now intentionally listened to more Katie Perry through this video than I have from all other media combined.
Same
Katie who? Dagny sounds pretty good.
I finally listened to her, and hate her entire style. Insincere commercial garbage, as far as I'm concerned. There are a lot of them around, and they are all interchangeable.
I'm like...so? All pop is the same disposable garbage anyway. But I admire Rick's ability to analyze and appreciate aspects of it. Not me though.
And are you glad you did? I'm not.
That hard panning thing is actually a really good way to compare two similar-sounding songs
My world of music made a huge change when I started playing guitar. Before that music was like eating a casserole. You could pick out a few flavors but in general it was just the overall package. Afterwords much like a chef being able to taste all the different ingredients in every bite, my ear could now hear the individual notes, chords, bass, drums and keyboards of every instrument to some level. You sir would be in my view one of the great master chefs of the world. You hear things I can barely hear even when you point them out. Thank You.
I think in most cases, the vast majority of these “writers” are really producers, that’s why almost any current pop song features high quality values in that regard, but are seriously lacking in the songwriting department because many of them are basically sound designers not composers. Of those 9, maybe only 3 actually wrote this song, the rest added 300+ layers of fx, overdubs, samples, etc over it.
Correct
In current pop music, having anything interesting in the words, melody, or chords would just get in the way of the important things, the production and the heavy breathing. Mostly the production.
That's even more troubling... "The rest" couldn't come up with something original and had to include the actual original creators in order to release this one. Mind-blowing...
Diecast Newb And I guess that’s the case here, back in the day there were credits for writers, producers, session musicians etc. Nowadays everyone are quoted as a “writer”, that doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@paulperkins1615 LOL
Seems likely Dagny got a check in the mail with a “you’ve inspired me so please don’t sue me” message.
Never heard of Dagny but I've heard of Katie Perry. Both are ear poison to me but ole Dagny would be smart to take the checks from Katie JUGSernaut Perry.
She won't sue. She got the writing credit!!
I looked this up when the song came out, Perry got permission beforehand and I'm pretty sure Dagny even posted something about it on her social at the time. This video is kind of clickbait
@@shmunkyman33 Can't get anything past a sharp thinker like you!
As well as The Beach Boys, Survivor and George Harrison.
Here before the video gets a copyright claim
Or 2 lol
Man, the lawyer algorithm is slackin’ today.
And people wonder
. WHY I will never
. make another video
.
For youtube OR facebook.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!!!
And it’s not even the first time she’s done this, she keeps getting away with it.
Coughbravecough
@@hannahremmel9550 exactly!!!
Isn’t there a Sarah barellis song that is exactly the same as like… firework or something?
@@RedCanyonWolf yes, Brave, which sounds almost exactly like Roar.
@@RedCanyonWolf actually, they sound EXACTLY alike.
Plenty of 'sucking sounds'
Lol!
P E R F E C T
Nice and very informative channel,love your vids
P.d :screw the federal reserve!😅
Hahahahaha
LOL!
Art imitating life perhaps.
I love the fact that as knowledgeable as he is, Rick never comes across as a music snob.
I like how he is completely open to pop music while you would think an older guy like him who grew up playing jazz and lived through the golden age of rock would scorn pop music but instead he embraces it an uses it as an opportunity to teach us
@@m.w.r.1408 Yeah, it would be totally "legitimate" for him to dismiss this type of music given his age and background. And indeed, his open mindedness is one of the things that makes him such a great teacher.
Its easy for Rick because he actually likes all of it as he has stated before....I do not,....I wanted to, but it is just soo awful. If I said anything other than I perceive stuff like this as being largely horrible and un-musical, I'd be lying.
Is there any type of music he doesn't like?
@@stricknine8623 The thing is, I don't think it's "easier" for him. Imo he just likes Music so much that he always finds SOMETHING good to say about every genre. He is able to put them into their proper context and apreciate them for what they are. He aknowledges the flaws of the genre, which as he points out are numerous, but he recognizes that pop CAN be valuable. He surely doesn't like pop in the same way he likes 80's rock. Maybe your problem is that you are trying to like pop the same way you like other genres of music, idk. But, of course, honesty comes first. And there is nothing wrong in not liking it.
I love that as learned and legit as Rick is, he can still enjoy some well (over?) produced pop stuff. If you can't admit to needing some bubble gum once in a while, you're not being honest.
I'm an Ol School RnB head..used to play Jazz Fusion guitar...Love Miles and all that stuff..but I like Katy Perry pop too...I think some of her music is great..I like Rick too cause he is just the coolest dude ever.
A good song is a good song is a good song. For example, covers of Bob Dylan's songs. I'll be honest, I hated when Bob Dylan does it himself because he sounds like someone talking asleep, but when Jimi Hendrix does it, it's an explosive cultural experience
@@cheeseUout bob dylan comes into his own as a folk artist, he can't be everything. Jimi Hendrix wouldn't fit very well in black sabbath or led zepplin. Every singer has to stick to a genre, they just wouldn't fit as well anywhere else
I don't need any bubble gum, ever. Disco, however, is another thing entirely.
@@cheeseUout have you ever listened to the really early Bob Dylan. I wasn’t the biggest fan of him and preferred the covers as well until I saw the Scorsese documentary and heard The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3 and was absolutely floored. Songs like, Seven Curses ( in drop D ), Farewell Angelina, Like a Rolling Stone on solo piano, Mamma You’ve Been on My Mind....these are some of the best songs I’ve ever heard, at least to me. The lyrics are pure genius. The acoustic set at the Royal Albert Hall which features Its All Over Now Baby Blue, Desolation Row and Mr. Tambourine man with amazing harmonica playing and great dynamic acoustic guitar is the stuff of a genius. His lyric in those songs, written is his early 20’s, contain the wisdom of a man who has lived many lives.
7:33 I used to think pop music was the most worthless form of music when I was a kid. I grew up listening to rock, metal and hip hop, all stuff I felt had real "substance". But once I started making my own music, I started really appreciating pop music for its feel more than anything. Also I find that even the worst hit songs at least have something worth hearing and learning from in them.
Dagny is so underrated. Been listening to her since 2015. Didn't expect to see her in your channel!!
I love this dude, how he seems to breath music.
He is a saint of music. I am learning how my talent is limited, which is critical to making the most of what you've got. There's a cliche in bicycle racing: "Train your weaknesses, race your strengths" .
He's awesome
Damn he's like the Anthony Bourdain of music reviews 😅🙌
R.I.P. Anthony Bourdain :(
Yeah totally! I miss that guy!
@@timk.709 Anthony's wife cheated on him? Pushed him over the edge.
@@shatner99 Uhm, ...??? Did you accidentally reply to the wrong person??? ;D
@@timk.709 must have,sorry.
Your version of playing both tracks at the same time is probably the best version. It’s time for you to start a career in DJaying. You can say you were inspired by both and pay a sampling tribute to both, lol
Zedd uses the EXACT SAME snare in everything he does. Doesn't even bother to change the tone or color it in any way.
You should watch Rick's video on Andy Wallace. So many great albums, same sample. It sounds great.
That snare/formula paid his mortgage. That snare is green.
"This is why people hate pop music, or people that I know who hate pop music, why they hate it." Code for Rhett Shull
pop music was not bad in 80's and 90's but now it is hard to stand it even for 5 minutes.
Blues, metal or Country is not better, 3000 songs that sounds the same. It's everywhere...
Haha i was thinking of Rhett too🤣
we all thought that lol
Haha I thought of Rhett and Dave immediately
I stole from a girl, and I liked it.
Dont know if many people will get the reference on this channel 😂
@@adambruechert435 a dude Like me.
It's there for all to see in living colour
Even funnier. That's a song from A kiwi band.
Why did you do that?
“Does it really need nine writers? Well apparently it does.”😂 Okay, Mr. Beato, you have a new subscriber.
Imagine having all these writers, and this is what they come up with...
You have to understand they're not songwriters, they're producers that sit down to discuss what has already worked and how they can re-make it. But at least this time the lawyers called the original writer and have her have her deserved credits.
Hey Bryan, this may be hard to believe but...they're not writing songs for your ears.
I know. It's insane. Beyoncé is another one who needs 5+ writers for songs with incoherent lyrics.
Amateurs borrow; Pros steal-Kris Kristofferson
That's the very first thing I thought. Please tell me when, in the history of all music, did it take 9 people to write one measly song ? It actually takes a musical think-tank to come up with this ? You almost get the impression that this generation is running out of ideas.
I do admire Rick's optimism surrounding pop music despite how most of us probably think it's rubbish
Kinda sounds like the Chords to The Who - Baba O'Riley .too.
Rick says that at 10:25
@@jimmycampbell78 oops must have been distracted during that bit . damn i have become that person haha hangs head in shame
Who’s gonna tell him? Lol
Yeah...and it's like The Best Song Ever...wait a minute its LITERALLY like "The Best Song Ever" (OneDirection)
That Katy Perry song also very similar to Savage Garden's "I Want You" which was done way back in '96.
I dig both versions, but I find myself listening to Dagny's track much more often.
Her "voice" sounds like something that would come bundled in some MIDI software package.
Hahahahahahah
I'm just surprised it took that many people to write this song.
Well to be fair they’ve only actually written one song combined.
That’s most pop music you hear. All these pop singers are just faces, their singing is overpoduced by nerds and their writing is done by old white guys. Then people think the singers actually wrote the song 🥴
9 people and they can’t write an original song? Lol
*rewrite this song
There's an old meme that shows a Beyonce song, and then lists off the 15 writers on one side, and then Bohemian Rhapsody, written by Freddie Mercury on the other side.
I find Dagny’s voice much more pleasant than Katy Perry’s
@@rkk578 :/ really...
@@rkk578 pig
The affectations in pop vocals is the worst aspect. Try actually singing with your natural voice for once, holy fk.
It's because Dagny has an actual voice, she's an actual musician, not an inflatable doll with a 4 note range.
@@rkk578 Ik all about sarcasm, I just know how people are, so screw off
Is it unkind to suggest that the Dagny track is itself a clichéd mashup of stale dance-pop tropes with nary an original moment to be found? What does it even mean to copy a piece of music that is itself just a collage of other collages? Methinks we've lost the thread!
Nice seeing you here man. And agreed
Rick's gushing over the writers and producers seems a bit of a sell-out
@@timq6224 Rick admits that bubblegum pop is one of his guilty pleasures. He's aware of what it is, and is capable of appreciating it for what it is rather than sitting back and smelling his own smug farts.
@@timq6224 He is a producer, among other things.
I agree with Tim Q. In this video Rick comes across as a phony sell-out, trying to make this song out to be some masterpiece. I've watched so many of Rick's videos on what makes songs great, and this song is the antithesis of those songs. Rick's wife was right, songs like this are popular because people like crappy music. This video is obviously a poor attempt by Rick to be one of those people, just selling out to get more people to like and subscribe. This video makes me want to unsubscribe actually.
honestly the two tracks hard panned just sound amazing together.
Let's start a new series and call it "musical detectives".
I like your idea 🔍
Great idea!!
That's a genuinely good idea!
Yes
Yes! Do it Rick!
Kind of like CSI... but with music!
DJ Khaled would simply insert "We The Best Music" .. and added himself as one of the writer.
Another one! :P
😂
OMFG😂😂😂... SOOOOO TRUE!!!
Rick Beatos videos make me smile every time. His love for music is so contagious.
This happens far more often than many people realize.
Facts! Look at Chris Brown's "Don't Wake Me Up",...11 writers and none of them realized maybe he shouldn't be drinking coffee if he's trying to sleep? I guess it's just me...
I randomly heard this one when my brother was showing me some of the music he was listening to back in 2013, and I recognized the plagiarism right away...
The intro of a song called “The Ghost of You and I” that was released by a band called “Story of the Year” is totally ripped of from the intro of a song called “New Noise,” by a kickass band named “Refused.”
Story of the Year’s album was called “The Constant,” on Epitaph Records. Wikipedia states that “All lyrics written by Dan Marsala and Adam Russell, all music composed by Story of the Year” on this album. 🙄 *Released* February 16, 2010 *Recorded* Mid 2009 _CLEARLY NO CREDIT WAS GIVEN TO THE BAND REFUSED!_
Refused’s album that had the “New Noise” song on it was called “The Shape of Punk to Come.” Wikipedia states that the album was: *Released* October 27, 1998 *Recorded* Late 1997 Album credits: Music By, Words By - Refused
The band (Refused) was broken up/taking a long hiatus during the period of time that Story of the Year’s “The Constant” was written/released. Wikipedia says that for Refused: *Years active* 1991-1998, 2012; 2014-present
“The Shape of Punk to Come” was originally released on the “Burning Heart” record label. However, Burning Heart has a close affiliation with Californian label Epitaph Records, who own the rights to distribute Burning Heart's output in North America.
_THEREFORE, BOTH ALBUMS WERE DISTRIBUTED ON THE “EPITAPH RECORDS” RECORD LABEL._ They knew exactly what they were doing.
I imagine it would make Refused pretty pissed off if they ever come across that theft and butchering of their amazing, ORIGINAL music, wherein they didn’t even get writing credit.
friend of mine is a international well known techno producer..... he does it 3 times a day. nobody notice...
And for a lot longer than most people realize. The bass intro for You Can't Hurry Love has been copied verbatim for tons of songs. The Doors admitted to ripping off the Kinks song "All Day and All of the Night" for their own song "Hello, I Love You". I would even hazard to guess it happened MORE in the 50s-70s- it just wasn't as big a deal to rip a song wholesale from another artist, and record it as your own.
And since the beginnings of the recording industry. Look a old Blues. So odd to pretend this is a new thing and some kind of sign of the times.
More intriguing is the Les Paul that disappears at 9:09 then reappears half a minute later. Spooky.
Very spooky indeed :) By the way: to me, the background seems to be mixed in via Chroma key, at least the contours of his shirt are jittering against the background. But I could be wrong. Whereas: a static background could save electricity. OK, just kidding.
@@ThomasBrandtstaetter clearly a one bedroom apartment with a green screen. /s
i noticed that too! rick has mad magic
Katy Perry's guitarist was inspired by it.
@@i.p.knightly149 You should be Reported for being too witty.
So Katy Perry's just like Nickelback... but at least Nickelback only ripoff THEIR OWN songs
In your own mind, what is a rip-off? Absolutely nothing in the way the song came about qualifies as a rip-off.
They almost all are like this.
I remember the nickelback "every song sounds the same" tour
"I'm sick and tired of people saying that we put out 11 albums that sound exactly the same. In fact, we've put out 12 albums that sound exactly the same." -Angus Young
@@commonsense3187 Didn't the Foo Fighters headline that tour?...:)
I prefer the voice of Dagny. Because of you Rick, I have been looking for more Dagny music. Thank you! :)
This is not the first time Katy Perry has done this, or even the most blatant case. She is "inspired" to write her own songs by the songs of others, just like Ray Parker Jr. was "inspired" to write the Ghostbusters theme by Huey Lewis' "I Want a New Drug." See the Sara Bareilles song "Brave" to the Katy Perry's "Roar" (which came out several months later).
That's not a thing. Most artists are inspired by other songs they hear. See the Katy Perry's song "birthday" and the Maroon 5's "Sugar" (which came out several months later)
@@preciousbetine71 Inspired is one thing, lifted while changing the lyrics and maybe the tempo is quite another. This isn't a statement on Katy Perry solely. These "artists" use a team of writers that they'll then add a line to for credit. It is a poor commentary on the state of modern pop music that it takes such a team of writers to essentially copy and rewrite songs that are so underwhelming to begin with.
And Moments in love of Art of Noise.
As far as Perry is concerned, if she did that it's because she wanted to - not because she needs to: she doesn't. It's Katy Perry - she's not short of ideas and talent.
If she was so into the song that she wanted to only make minor changes and also credit the original artist while building on it, isn't it just a case of small potatoes and everyone's happy?
@@lewis7515 "She's not short of ideas and talent" that is massive assumption. You have no idea how her records are made.
I’m no pop music fan, but can’t deny that dagny has one hell of a voice
But Rick, man the female pop artists these days...has there ever been a time when such a wide group of artists sounded so alike?
Agree.
Yep agree. All very formulaic.
You havent listened to trap yet
@@bowgart5567 yeah and mumble rap
Crap still smells like crap no matter where it came from...
I have zero clue why this video was suggested to me, because nothing I have viewed recently is even close, but I'm glad I watched it! I'm sure Rick will never see this comment, but I would kill or die to see a similar commentary on "I Love You Always Forever" by Donna Lewis, one of my all-time favorite guilty pleasure songs.
You'll love Rick. He's just a modest, super talented dude who talks music.
Rick, I am continually impressed with your ability to appreciate music like this, analyze it, and find insightful things to say about it.
Me too. I'll bet this takes a lot of stamina.
Teen-Age WasteLAND, oh yeah, teenage WASTEland ....
What r u doing here lol
Was thinking the exact same
came here for this, was not disappointed. A+
Love Blue Collar Logic!! And crap corporate pop music can't die soon enough!!
They're all wasted!
“Did you to notice...”
You know we didn’t notice Rick...
Ha!
The portion when you play both songs one from left and right ear was amazing. I wish someone would make a mashup like that.
One of my demos was plagiarised a few years back that went on to be a no.1 hit in US & UK. My demo was written 4 years before hand. Anyway I was told by musicologists that it could be a coincidence and that I should not pursue it, but there were too many similarities for it to be a coincidence. You can play them on top of each other. The song was ‘These Days’ Rudimental, mine was ‘Just One Day’. The music industry is filled with people stealing creatives ideas. Makes me sick, and sad for us who actually come up with new ideas. Great vid bro, very on point. 👉🏼🎹
To Justin Canton .. is it too late for you to pursue this issue. Contact Rick and ask if he can give you any advice or refer a good lawyer. Good luck
@@servraghgiorsal7382 Thanks, I actually don’t know anymore! I had people involved at a high level that I know personally who where also working with Jess Glynn at the time (who was one of the vocalists on it) but after the Musicologists said it was changed enough so that they could get away with it, everybody involved just dropped it even though they all agreed it was obvious. I was told that if I was to pursue it in U.S rather than U.K I can pursue using other ways of proving it. The musicologist route is highly floored. One of the musicologists said that some artists who steal ideas actually use musicologists to help them change it just enough to clear it, and then they give them points on the track or money, so the stolen song would now be cleared by any other musicologist if checked. Sick ha?
Where is your song? Can't find it on the net. Where would they have gotten it from?
You ought to do something about it.
@@dollybird6290 Hi, it was a demo along with some other demo songs I had written at the time, and they were all sitting on one of my websites for a few years. They were all registered in 2014 with a copyrighting company and the documents are all still valid. I shared the site to thousands of people including many artists and managers that I knew at the time and many I did not. It is not at all a hard to believe it was heard and copied by the so-called writer of ‘These days’ first demo who I will not name on here. After I heard their version years later on the radio I contacted lawyers and musicologists, and after wasting money and effort with my team it was clear they had covered their butts by changing it ever so slightly enough to clear the analysis of 2 musicologists, but the process they use in my opinion is void of sense and unfair, when it is very clear to hear it how it was copied.
I rapidly pulled down all my unreleased songs from all my sites while I tried to get my case going, so the song isn’t online anymore. If you would like to hear the comparisons, Google my name and contact me though my site, and I’ll send you a private link to hear them both. I have stopped releasing my personal songs because of this, and so now I just stick with writing for library companies. This is the second time it has happened to me now. Uncreative writers in the music industry are just rats looking to steel whatever they can, and then they hire a musicologist to clear the stolen idea. It’s just sad.
Fck a musicologist, get a lawyer
The Dagny track (in my opinion) is far more pleasing and fun to listen to. The harmonizing is wonderful and exciting^^,
Two things I appreciate about Rick:
1. He can articulate the merits of even the poppiest of songs
2. He is a total zaddy
whats a zaddy haha
@@555Lemmy666 a dad one would like to zip up with in a sleeping bag.
poopiest of songs....
Lol this aint the place for your horny tweets, mom
Watching you Rick is way more entertaining than watching those win fails movies in youtube... I had so much fun watching that story about Sergio Mende's song! You are great!
How about her song “Roar” which rips off the title from Helen Reddy, lyrics from Survivor and sounds identical to “Brave” by Sarah Bareilles? There’s not enough room in the liner notes to include everyone who “helped” her write that song.
Roar is much less alike Brave than these two. It shares a similar drum beat, and similar progression in the verses, but the chorus is a different progression entirely, and quite frankly, the hook in infinitely superior on Roar. They were also released within months of each other, and very much could thus both be the products of a beat trend that had existed in clubs.
@@kingsxkids - Another key difference is Katy is “borrowing” all these lines singing about how great and wonderful she is while Sara wrote an original piece to inspire others to do great things.
I mean i thought it was Muhammad Ali that floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee and Rocky had the “Eye of the Tiger”. Nope, apparently it’s Katy. She is a champion and you’re going to hear her roar.
*In the writing meeting* How many times can we rhyme, “over,” with, “over”?
that's easy, if it's a pop song you can do it over and over and over and over (with different note intonations, you don't want to be cheap dude...) hahaha
Same rule applies to "Even" in pop songs... I can't even... I even... why even? lol
/r/whoosh this guy ^
over... and over... and over again.
@Jesus Hong Now Now Jesus, That's why they crucified you. I tried to make it rhyme time, time. Cheers.
He's not fanboying.
He's preparing to be an expert witness.
You know, there really is something beautiful about the lyrics of Dagny's song that Katy Perry and team couldn't replicate to my ear. It's this idea that Dagny is admitting that she doesn't know how to communicate how much she loves her partner, but she's trying so hard to do so in her song is brilliant. Katy Perry's "Never Really Over" on the other hand is so much more literal in expressing her feelings that the lyrics come off nearly as authentically, especially since much more of the energy of the song is devoted to showcasing Perry's vocal talents. I think that's the extra something that to me makes "Love You Like That" feel like a nearly perfect pop song.
but dagny's song is kind of boring to be honest despite the emotionalism.
But musically unoriginal, completely. This is what makes it a terrible pop song.
perry's vocal talents?? seriously!
@@richardcarroll9864Katy's really isn't good tbh, it feels too generic.