@@eikonisei mean yeah the line is there lol 500/471 is a 6% increase… alright man not the worst fudge ever 500/451 is like 11% lol now thats just disingenuous
@@eikonise The CBR 500R?! I honestly do not even count that bike. Pretty sure its the Rebel 500 motor. The new CBR500 might be better, but I have rode several 14's and 15's, even with some mods at the track and it is a turd. A stock Ninja 400 feels way more snappy and hard to tell which one is faster. A modded N 400 just kills it.
The bike I rode didn't have the flat spot in 2nd gear, it only affects US bikes. I noticed the intake on this bike is very loud for a stock machine. So I'd guess to pass noise regs for US EPA certification, the throttle map simply doesn't allow the throttles to open any further than a pass on the drive by noise test.
I feel the RS 660 has a similar flat spot, just less pronounced due to the larger displacement. Edit: Did some research and apparently the new MT-09 SP has the same flat spot. It must be some kind of US regulation.
@@Cthooligan Check the Fort9 review of Transalp, where Ryan explains it. It's due noise levels per some power level if I recall correctly. A bit silly thing.
I am going to apologize in advance, because this is going to sound like a jerk thing to say. However being in your position and being a fellow motorcycle nerd you should know this already. I mean this EPA sound issue showed up all the way at the end of 2019 for the 2020 model year S1000RR (and newer bikes) for 5 years now. Some manufacturers have reduced engine, intake and exhaust noise to the point the flat spot isn't as noticeable. Aprilia has left the intake growl in however this does cause them have to artificially create a flat spot to pass the sound test created by the EPA.
RS457 owner from India, and yes, can confirm, there's no flat spot in any specific gear as such. Power falls flat in last 1.5k rpm. But that's just how the engine is. But no holes as such. Might be visible in my uploads maybe.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I don’t know how to explain it accurately in a short way but just imagine (different regions have different ways of measuring) that emissions are measured at a certain speed or certain area (e.g. 50% of max revs) of the rev band in a certain gear. So manufacturers make sure the bikes pass the test at those speeds/revs + gear. But at the same time, they want the bike to get as much HP/torque as possible so they end up neutering that area to pass the EPA tests. That results in flat-spots like Zack is noticing here. You want more info or have more questions, make an account with ChatGPT 😂
@@MetalfreakApollo First thing I clocked when I swung a leg over, but I'll be honest I didn't think much of it at the time. I think because I assumed there would be Tuono variant. A reasonably common mod with most Aprilia RS machines is to fit the Tuono top clamp and bars, even if it means modifying the fairing and brake lines. You only have to wait for someone to crash a Tuono. A nice flat bar won't be much higher and, for me, it will take a bit of weight off the wrists. Plus it's a bit more drop resilient. The aftermarket will jump on it pretty quickly too, for the track slags - custom top clamp and clip ons.
I can speak from experience with the RS660 that has the same triple clamp setup. If you drop the bike hard enough the bolt that holds the handlebar will bend/stretch. I imagine it'll fail long before the triple clamp does.
For a daily rider, please include some comments on headlight quality. It's a huge issue if they are poor in the winter. :) Also, maybe just for consistency between reviews the dash portion would be better handled at the start or end where you can show it properly? Relegation to a traffic light means it sometimes feels compromised. And hard to judge if it's actually a good dash for a daily.
Lot of these bikes have really poor headlight throws and I am glad someone mentioned it. If you have to put aux lights then maybe the bike shouldn't be road legal.
If the mid range flat spot is only in second gear then it’s almost certainly an EPA noise reg restriction, that’s probably the pass by test rpm operating range and it’s restricting throttle to limit noise…many us spec bikes do that (or they limit the heck out of the peak power rpm to lower the test rpm)
@@AnythingUnderTheMoon Well other motorcycles in the segment must not have as much difficulty meeting the US noise reg. Its not unheard of...many US bikes in all various segments have significant throttle restrictions to pass noise testing.
For my local market, this is priced at the equivalent of about $8400 USD. I feel that this completely overshoots what most beginners are happy to pay, and then underperforms against anything else in the price bracket. Seriously hard sell, Aprilia
I'd say that a premium price is justified for a premium bike. Every small displacement bike doesn't have to be a beginner bike. But at this price point I want suspension with adjustable damping.
A good way to practice, when you come to a stop in a safe area, just kind of hang your feet off of the pegs and try to balance as long as you can before setting a foot down. You'll be using your legs kind of like how a tightrope walker uses a balance pole. As you get more comfortable with balancing the bike, you can start leaving your feet on the pegs. A smooth stop is going to be key also.
@@kankit230 they are driven by stepper motors these days, so analogue only in their appearance. They are plenty responsive enough, Aprilia used them for years before switching to TFTs.
now we just need a Tuono 880 or 945 or something right in there, to give us that sweet spot of around 100-115 hp at the wheel, and to really round out their lineup.
I mean the Tuono 660 Factory is already making 100HP. If they made an 800-900 it would probably be in the 140-150 range to not steal sales from the 660 or standard Tuono.
@@shauns5278 no it's not making 100. i mean, at the wheel. not at the crank. it's only making about 86 at the wheel. and that's only at screaming rpm. i'm a naked bike man, and i want torque like naked bikes are supposed to have, and the 660 does not have it. i also own an sv650 and i'm not exaggerating at all, the sv feels much more powerful most of the time. obviously, if you're screaming the engine, the tuono is more powerful, but as a daily rider, no one is screaming the engine all that often. so for daily riding, it actually feels weaker than an sv.
@@thinkdunson According to BTMoto it's making 91whp, still think if there's any chance of a higher model it would be something to compete with the Ducati V2 so closer to the 150 crank range. 100-115 is just way too close to the 660, even talking wheel HP. They could make a new Shiver, the previous was already a 900 but only made 93-94HP but had more low down grunt like you want.
@@PromethSunrise i've known two people who bought brand new ktms and they both had endless electrical problems. doesn't matter how much people say they've turned their self around, i'll never buy one. i want to trust my bike.
Love the build quality of Aprilias, My RSVR from 2007 has had no wear marks, corrosion, defects or issues in my ownership since 2012, and I haven't babied it either.
The damn thing looks good, that paintjob is awesome, looks like it goes fast enough... it even sounds good - I'm not a crossplane crank kind of guy, TBH. But there's something about modern bikes that really ticks me off: why do the tanks have to be so small? 150 miles of range is nowhere near enough. I used to have a 160cc Yamaha NMAX, with about 170 miles of range, and having to fill up every five to seven days SUCKS - yes, I am a DAILY rider. LOL Thanks for another excellent video, Zack!
Thank you Zack! Great review as always. I’m also struggling to decide between the Duke and the RS 457. If it was a Tuono vs Duke, it would be the Tuono.
The 660 had the same flat spot b/t 5 and 7k. Gabro's upmap made it totally disappear. On track, the custom map made it go from a good track bike to a great one. Hope the 457 has the same option.
Heck yes finally I've been waiting for this review. I haven't gotten to see one in person yet. However, if I'm going to be getting a new bike this is definitely going to be it
Great video! Always happy to see new Daily Rider videos in my feed! I would love to see a daily rider review on the Moto Guzzi Stelvio and how it stacks up to the Mandello and GS 👍
I have ridden this bike here in India and I can tell you that the 2nd gear flat spot is because of US regulations if I'm not wrong. For me personally bike felt linear in every gear but one problem that I noticed were the brakes. They kinda were not good on the bike that I test rode. Not sure if that's the case for all the bikes.
This machine has the ability to make you want to ride! ,and that is key to the riding experience. 😊 my fz6 has my ❤,but the Aprilia has tech and style.
Glad Aprilia keeping prices down with all the inflated/devalued dollars past 4 years. Since 2019 homes and cars increased over 50%. Past 4 years minimum average 25% increased prices from inflation. Thx Aprilia
Come to India, Zack. No second-gear flat spots on our bikes and this thing is total fun from idle to redline. I'll gladly take care of your accommodation and 3 home-cooked meals a day (so no food-poisoning woes 😝). Interestingly we get the MIA module pre-installed here but no adjustable levers. Also this really should've come with the quickshifter from the factory but I paid about $250 and got it installed after 1000km. The reception for this bike has been immensely positive here barring a few niggles but that is to be expected on a brand new product hitting the market for the first time. A++ review from you as always! 🙌
@@abhisheknair2863 haan bik raha hai. Food adulteration rate was measured at 28% in 2018-2019 from the 13% in 2011, increasing exponentially. Also these are the figures actually reported by the government based on sample testing so you can assume it to be a lot higher in reality. In fact, tere ghar ka khaana bhi ek hadd tak hi safe hai.
I'm from Europe and own an 2021 rs660 it falls on it face so badly at 5-6.5k. Other gears as well it doesn't pull nicely until it hits over 7k . It needs a tune it's definitely limited on purpose for some reason 😅
My experience: super fun, plenty of power (120 mph top speed), no heat issues, 50-60 mpg depending on how you ride it, tires are pretty grippy for no names, comfortable, vibey at high rpms. Worth every penny over the ninja 500. Suspension is top notch for a little bike. This is my next season track bike. I've gotten as many as 180 miles to a tank and as few as 145.
@@maomekat2369 For me its the suspension and brakes. The ninja's suspension is crap for anything more than street riding. But I am coming from the perspective of I wanted the best small bike for the track not the best small bike to ride around on the streets.
This is what has me so excited for the small displacement segment right now. Both of these bikes are great (as well as others) and we finally have choice. I think it was the MotoAmerica Junior Cup where something like 8 bikes were eligible for the series and every single team ran a Ninja 400. Now we have legitimate options for street and track riding. At the same price, you can get a RS457 or a Ninja 500 with $1000 for parts. That's a dead heat to me. Then you add in the CFMoto options and others entering the market and it's a good time to be a track rider.
12:20 I completely disagree: a proper, sharp throttle map is far too nervous when you want to just relax or are riding on uneven urban roads and in traffic. It's absolutely necessary to have at least two maps, and a rain map is handy to have also. When you want to cruise in a relaxed way just watching the sights a more relaxed mode is great to have, and if that would be the only map the bike would be incomplete as then you wouldn't have the proper response in sporty riding. My MV Agusta is too sharp in sport mode on cobblestones, the uneven road surface makes my wrist move enough to move the throttle in the sharpest mode.
the hole in second sounds like exactly what they did with the 660. it had that same hole. and i would often (as in every single day, and often multiple times a day) get caught in traffic needing that specific range. so knowing it has that, based on my experience owning a 660 with the same problem, i would not recommend the bike at all as a daily rider. if you just want it to go buck wild at max rpm all day long, then it's a great bike. personally, i will never again (after this one and my current '24 street triple) buy a bike that is not japanese. but to each his own. (mine had the seal blow out on the rear shock and it took about 6 months to get a replacement. i only had it about 6 months, and then had to go 6 months where i couldn't ride my brand new bike.) anyway, it can't happen to all of them, so other than that, and other than the dead spot that occurs only in second gear, it was really a great bike. BUT if you're a daily rider, do not buy this or the 660. you will find yourself in that dead spot multiple times a day.
@@brianbrooks5947 i have nothing against it. i wouldn't buy one, but only because i'm not a sportbike kind of guy. i prefer naked. i've never owned a yamaha, but when i got my sv650, it was a tossup between that and the mt07. but back then, the mt (or fz) line was a lot less refined, and so most of the reviews at the time made the sv650 sound way better to me. nowadays i would probably get the mt07 over the sv650.
Ducati 748R had a bad flat spot in the power-band as well between 5-6K RPM. In its case it was the more extreme cam timing from the race cams. Maybe this baby RSV has some hot cams to make up for lack of displacement. Just a theory because when you mentioned it falls flat at around 5K RPM it reminded me of the 2002 Ducati 748R.
Maybe I’m old and out of touch, but it seems to me that an entry level sport bike with 40-ish hp doesn’t need multiple ride modes or ABS modes . I think a normal ( sport ) mode and a rain mode would suffice. The money spent on ride mode tech would probably be better spent on decent clip ons and tires .
@@larrywoolford8978 I am 100% with the rider modes honestly even rain isn't needed with that little power. But honestly TC and ABS should be mandatory on every street bike just good safety precautions. A beginner especially is very likely to do a full lockup and slide out.
I bought a new Ninja 400 for $3150 ($4600 OTD, tax, title, etc). I loved it. Traded it for a Triumoh America bagger. Just bought an '06 XL1200 Low, mint with stage one, upgraded Sportster seat, sissy bar/luggage rack, wind shield and Harley soft trunk, all for $3500.
US regulations thing. They require the indicators to be a certain distance away from the bike and be of a given minimum size. The flat spot in 2nd gear is also an EPA thing to pass ride by noise requirements. Other models, including ours in India don't have them. Many bikes have suffered as a result of it
@@_shreyash_anand I don't think it's a "certain distance" thing (Kawasaki Ninjas have had integrated turn signals for decades in the US), but rather someting about some rule against LED turn signals; my US Duke came with big ugly bulb turn signals, while in the rest of the world they all have smaller LED turn signals.
question about the throttle response; do you think they do that because the bike is meant for new riders, so there isn't quite as much torque low down, so as we get used to using the throttle there is less chance of fully yeeting yourself out of a corner?
@@maomekat2369 ninja 500 is surprisingly expensive here at 8k eur compared to the rs457 at 7.6k eur i also find the aprilia better looking but thats just an opinion
if you're saying the RS has more excitement value than the 390 duke, then how much more is the prospective Tuono 457 going to have? then it may not be as much of a dead heat.
The bike is pretty but isn't that, like the same price as an MT 07? I wish I was an American faced with such choices, also two Indian made bikes back to back I wonder what you would think of the Dukes twine called the Domina.
Thank you man,, I was sitting with my PC waiting and trying to find something to watch that actually interests me... And this is exactly on time... thanks again... Ok so , For more o a perspective.. This falls in the 10-15% people who can buy this spec range but 40-45% of people who can afford it for the price in India.. So for us this is a well needed competition for the Japanese, especially R3 and Mt-3 which are like atleat double its on road price.. with much much much worse spec sheet , but obviously better and well refined Engine..... So the Rc 390 and the honda fireblade 500 which is almost 1.5x the price(though much much more reliable).. this is a very very good alternative... Especially as the Indian Government is encouraging make in India...
If i could i would genuinely buy this buy and do a countey tour on. I love the brand and i love what they have done with it. Though shumi from motorinc has said that the breaks arent the best , maybe thats an india only thing..idk..lord i love this baby
On whether or not this is too premium of a bike, this is why I respect the ZX4RR so much, it foregoes any ambition of being an entry level machine to instead focus on being a great small displacement sport bike, and if you don't have an ego that's a wonderful thing. You get to ride it to it's limit a lot easier, and that's where a lot of the fun is. Of all the A2 sport bikes I'd definitely look at this new Aprilia first, it's priced well and just looks and handles the part.
Could you put them Side by Side if they are SO Close 🤣, you really seem to have little, to No use for ride modes ☺ and I can sort of understand it, I use modes in a cage on long trips (Eco) as way to hope for better mileage. Do you need Sport mode on the Highway vs. in the Twistier roads, I think they have their places if you gave them a chance. Interesting and Informative as Always , Keep up the good Work !
No it's just how TFT dashes can be recorded when running certain FPS cameras / resolutions. Happens more than you'd think for our videos, but not in real life.
Bro im from India 🇮🇳 we got defective bikes(rs457) in which they haven't done proper calibration if we remove the hands on handle bar while on the go it leans to the left/pull towards left If it's the case in your us spec bike please let me know it helps me alot
I'm really envious of the last 18 seconds ride in this video. Where I come from you take the law into your own hands to lane split. It's enough to make one run for public office.
Perhaps the engine is behaving that way between 5 and 6 thousand rpm is a combination of not having its break in service and it being tracked (thrashed) before this service. 🤔
Weight is not always the main design goal, sometimes rigidity is preferable, especially on a smaller motorcycle, where the loads are transferred more directy.
It's due to an effective minimum weight requirement for intermediate licence classification. A2 rules in Europe specify a maximum power to weight ratio as well as a maximum power figure. So if you opt for full A2 power as Aprilia have (47 bhp / 35 kW), it can't be any lighter than 175 kg. I'll bet there's a fair bit of unnecessary steel in that exhaust ;)
Imagine getting dragged by a tuned lighter ninja 400 for way less money. Stiffness is a marginal gain. Yeah lower center of gravity sure but curb weight still matters specially on low cc motorcycles because every cc count.
Perhaps Zack should split the daily rider leaderboard to 2 categories..one below 500cc and the other one above 500cc. As it stands i don't think any bikes below 500cc will have any chance of displacing the top 5 or top 7
It's been possible for multiple decades to get over 200 hp per Litre. So why not a properly built/speckled V4 quality suspension, brakes, Oz Wheels. 100hp sub 400lb. SP, RR, Factory Yada yada. Is there a market for that? I'd buy it.
What drugs are you on? 😅 Why would they built such an inefficient and expensive engine design with extremely hard maintainance in a 100hp class that is aimed towards young ( and poor ) riders 😂 This is number one bullshit!
These smaller displacement bikes are made with a 47hp ceiling to fit euro A2 license restriction/ lower speed limits. If you have a full A license in the EU you buy a bigger bike or if you want to commute daily, good fuel mileage and cheaper insurance, 47hp is about perfect to live with and have a little fun
@@tiago_tojeira They could make a hyper luxurious 550cc with 96hp, so it could get reduced to 48hp for europe. But I guess we have to see how the ZX4-rr does in europe
Had Kawasaki chosen to go with a frame more similar to this one, and loosing the 13kg this has on it, the ZX4RR would've been the obvious choice. And seeing as they're priced within $300 of each other in Sweden I reckon I'd have a hard time choosing.
Just because it's small, is it REALLY a "Beginner Bike"? I think an "up-spec" small bike makes sense. A "low spec" small beginner/budget bike makes sense, too. But "small" should not need to equate to "beginner" or "budget". What do you think?
This bike should absolutely be a Tuono/Tuareg only. It feels like it's trying to slot somewhere between the RC390 and ZX4RR but they didn't know exactly how to do it.
What’s your ‘main bike’ if you don’t mind me asking? I have a HD Low Rider ST - so the opposite of a small displacement sport bike and I’m thinking of getting something like the RC390, this Aprilia or the Ninja 4RR myself. I just fear I won’t ‘gel’ with it…
I have a ‘09 Yamaha R1. I have been riding for 17 years now and had many bikes in the past, including a Buell Firebolt XB-9R which is kind of a Harley. My RC390 is heavily modified and has about 50hp and weighs 320lbs without fuel. Even in its stock form it is fun. It’s the lightest bike of the group. I’m 5’11” and 210lbs and I still fit on the bike ok and the suspension is ok.
If I was going to configure this as a true "beginner's bike", the first thing I'd do is remove that fairing. A _LOT_ of beginners will drop their bike in a gravel parking lot or while stopping where the road's crown is a little more than they were ready for, and I'd rather have had a small set of crash bars (or even frame sliders) and not have the bill for fairing patching and repainting. Once they get comfortable with riding, they'll be more than ready to swap it out for something with a fairing and maybe a touch more power. And if they're buying this bike so they can do actual sports riding, then I'd suggest that they're not really beginners.
Because Zach doesn't believe the CBR is a sport bike. He believes all sport bikes should wheelie easily. The CBR doesn't --> not a sport bike (to him). I like Zach, but he loves wheelies so much his reviews end up with huge blind spots. He prefers Z650 to Ninja 650 for same reason. You can look to his Ninja 500 review for reference.
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My aprilia rs 457 goes to the left when I leave both handlebars...
I couldn't find any fix can you please help ❤❤
21:18 it leaned to the left...
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Nice to see the exact displacement in a bike name.
Right....I am talking to you Kawasaki, Ninja 500(451cc)....with your all steel frames on the small bikes(ZX4RR included)
The Honda 500s are 471ccs and no one gives a shit, I guess the line is somewhere in those 20 milliliters.
@@eikonisei mean yeah the line is there lol
500/471 is a 6% increase… alright man not the worst fudge ever
500/451 is like 11% lol now thats just disingenuous
@@eikonise I think calling it the Ninja 451 wouldve just been a cooler name
@@eikonise The CBR 500R?! I honestly do not even count that bike. Pretty sure its the Rebel 500 motor. The new CBR500 might be better, but I have rode several 14's and 15's, even with some mods at the track and it is a turd. A stock Ninja 400 feels way more snappy and hard to tell which one is faster. A modded N 400 just kills it.
I’m not interested in the vast majority of the bikes Zack reviews, but I love these Daily Rider segments and I watch every one from start to finish.
Same here
Everybody uninterested....
Me: Couldn't even afford cheapest bike Zack reviewed.
@@HiroYukimura07 Get a better job. He reviews bikes in all price ranges.
@@johnpuerner8545💩
The bike I rode didn't have the flat spot in 2nd gear, it only affects US bikes.
I noticed the intake on this bike is very loud for a stock machine.
So I'd guess to pass noise regs for US EPA certification, the throttle map simply doesn't allow the throttles to open any further than a pass on the drive by noise test.
I feel the RS 660 has a similar flat spot, just less pronounced due to the larger displacement.
Edit: Did some research and apparently the new MT-09 SP has the same flat spot. It must be some kind of US regulation.
@@Cthooligan Check the Fort9 review of Transalp, where Ryan explains it. It's due noise levels per some power level if I recall correctly. A bit silly thing.
@@Cthooligan My 21 mt09 had the same thing. The ecu doesn't let the throttle open 100% in 2nd, easy enough to get rid of thru a flash tho.
@@hendrxx_does a tune change them that much?
@@motorcycleconnoisseur4936 it’s night and day for sure. Hit up vcyclenut he’ll get you right
You should be aware that the 2nd gear flat spot is due to the EPA. This is no different than US spec 660. This only affects US specs bikes.
I am going to apologize in advance, because this is going to sound like a jerk thing to say. However being in your position and being a fellow motorcycle nerd you should know this already. I mean this EPA sound issue showed up all the way at the end of 2019 for the 2020 model year S1000RR (and newer bikes) for 5 years now. Some manufacturers have reduced engine, intake and exhaust noise to the point the flat spot isn't as noticeable. Aprilia has left the intake growl in however this does cause them have to artificially create a flat spot to pass the sound test created by the EPA.
RS457 owner from India, and yes, can confirm, there's no flat spot in any specific gear as such. Power falls flat in last 1.5k rpm. But that's just how the engine is. But no holes as such. Might be visible in my uploads maybe.
The Yamaha CP3-equipped bikes have the same 2nd gear flat-spot neutering. MT-09, Tracer 9, XSR etc.
As someone who has no clue, what's this EPA thing?
Just a second gear limitation for some emission regulation?
@@Daniel-dj7fh I don’t know how to explain it accurately in a short way but just imagine (different regions have different ways of measuring) that emissions are measured at a certain speed or certain area (e.g. 50% of max revs) of the rev band in a certain gear.
So manufacturers make sure the bikes pass the test at those speeds/revs + gear. But at the same time, they want the bike to get as much HP/torque as possible so they end up neutering that area to pass the EPA tests. That results in flat-spots like Zack is noticing here.
You want more info or have more questions, make an account with ChatGPT 😂
I'm so glad Zack mentioned the one-piece triple clamp and handlebar mount setup. I wouldn't be comfortable with that either.
same here. i didn't hear any other reviewer mention this bit. i'm glad Zach has a good eye for these sort of things.
@@MetalfreakApollo First thing I clocked when I swung a leg over, but I'll be honest I didn't think much of it at the time. I think because I assumed there would be Tuono variant.
A reasonably common mod with most Aprilia RS machines is to fit the Tuono top clamp and bars, even if it means modifying the fairing and brake lines. You only have to wait for someone to crash a Tuono.
A nice flat bar won't be much higher and, for me, it will take a bit of weight off the wrists. Plus it's a bit more drop resilient. The aftermarket will jump on it pretty quickly too, for the track slags - custom top clamp and clip ons.
First thing I noticed too!
I can speak from experience with the RS660 that has the same triple clamp setup. If you drop the bike hard enough the bolt that holds the handlebar will bend/stretch. I imagine it'll fail long before the triple clamp does.
How about an old fashioned 4-way shootout/comparo between the Aprilia, CF Moto, KTM and Kawasaki.
Kawi can't be bothered with whoever is 2nd-4th...
For a daily rider, please include some comments on headlight quality. It's a huge issue if they are poor in the winter. :) Also, maybe just for consistency between reviews the dash portion would be better handled at the start or end where you can show it properly? Relegation to a traffic light means it sometimes feels compromised. And hard to judge if it's actually a good dash for a daily.
100% agree with you
Good points. Also showing how hard it's to change the oil or get to the air filter, valve cover, fuses and battery would be nice
Lot of these bikes have really poor headlight throws and I am glad someone mentioned it. If you have to put aux lights then maybe the bike shouldn't be road legal.
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*WOBBLY DAVIDSON*
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If the mid range flat spot is only in second gear then it’s almost certainly an EPA noise reg restriction, that’s probably the pass by test rpm operating range and it’s restricting throttle to limit noise…many us spec bikes do that (or they limit the heck out of the peak power rpm to lower the test rpm)
So for some reason every motorcycles by on this segment don't have a 2nd gear flat spot except this aprilla?
@@AnythingUnderTheMoon Well other motorcycles in the segment must not have as much difficulty meeting the US noise reg. Its not unheard of...many US bikes in all various segments have significant throttle restrictions to pass noise testing.
Is this only a US problem or does it effect the EU bikes too?
@@RaceWithTime suddenly explains why the CRF450L was so heavily neutered. The intakes on those things are basically unsilenced!
Having this babe for about 5 months now , I.ABSOLUTELY.LOVE.HER 🏍️❤😌🤘🏻
For my local market, this is priced at the equivalent of about $8400 USD. I feel that this completely overshoots what most beginners are happy to pay, and then underperforms against anything else in the price bracket. Seriously hard sell, Aprilia
I'd say that a premium price is justified for a premium bike. Every small displacement bike doesn't have to be a beginner bike. But at this price point I want suspension with adjustable damping.
I'd honestly say it's closest competitor might be the Cfmoto 450 SR-S. Otherwise, people may look at a ZX-4R for the money
id rather have a zx4r at that price
@@budmiller7436 it costs half in india....50%...better buy green kawa anniversary
@@valhallamoto zx4r costs 10k+ ....
THE REVIEW I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!! Love you guys, love your Zack!!
me thinks Zack is the gold standard of bike testers
Lumpy
Southern Pines NC
he sorts them by price...
Zach needs to do a tutorial on footless stops. The man is a master.
A good way to practice, when you come to a stop in a safe area, just kind of hang your feet off of the pegs and try to balance as long as you can before setting a foot down. You'll be using your legs kind of like how a tightrope walker uses a balance pole. As you get more comfortable with balancing the bike, you can start leaving your feet on the pegs. A smooth stop is going to be key also.
@@2006Whippetyup, pretend the floor is lava
It's easy, it's called smooth braking and drag the rear brake while keeping balance.
I wish more bikes had analog tachs paired with the TFT
I agree. Nothing like seeing that needle climb.
Analog tachs are quite slow and have lag, only nice to look at
@@kankit230 slow enough for the H2 to have one
@@kankit230 and TFT dashes are even slower. Most of them have crappy regresh rates because they try to run them on a calculator processor from 1984.
@@kankit230 they are driven by stepper motors these days, so analogue only in their appearance. They are plenty responsive enough, Aprilia used them for years before switching to TFTs.
That color is excellent.
now we just need a Tuono 880 or 945 or something right in there, to give us that sweet spot of around 100-115 hp at the wheel, and to really round out their lineup.
I mean the Tuono 660 Factory is already making 100HP. If they made an 800-900 it would probably be in the 140-150 range to not steal sales from the 660 or standard Tuono.
@@shauns5278 no it's not making 100. i mean, at the wheel. not at the crank. it's only making about 86 at the wheel. and that's only at screaming rpm. i'm a naked bike man, and i want torque like naked bikes are supposed to have, and the 660 does not have it. i also own an sv650 and i'm not exaggerating at all, the sv feels much more powerful most of the time. obviously, if you're screaming the engine, the tuono is more powerful, but as a daily rider, no one is screaming the engine all that often. so for daily riding, it actually feels weaker than an sv.
@@thinkdunson
According to BTMoto it's making 91whp, still think if there's any chance of a higher model it would be something to compete with the Ducati V2 so closer to the 150 crank range. 100-115 is just way too close to the 660, even talking wheel HP.
They could make a new Shiver, the previous was already a 900 but only made 93-94HP but had more low down grunt like you want.
@@thinkdunson sounds like you should buy a KTM...
@@PromethSunrise i've known two people who bought brand new ktms and they both had endless electrical problems. doesn't matter how much people say they've turned their self around, i'll never buy one. i want to trust my bike.
Love the build quality of Aprilias, My RSVR from 2007 has had no wear marks, corrosion, defects or issues in my ownership since 2012, and I haven't babied it either.
different price ...this cheap india made
The damn thing looks good, that paintjob is awesome, looks like it goes fast enough... it even sounds good - I'm not a crossplane crank kind of guy, TBH. But there's something about modern bikes that really ticks me off: why do the tanks have to be so small? 150 miles of range is nowhere near enough. I used to have a 160cc Yamaha NMAX, with about 170 miles of range, and having to fill up every five to seven days SUCKS - yes, I am a DAILY rider. LOL Thanks for another excellent video, Zack!
Thank you Zack! Great review as always. I’m also struggling to decide between the Duke and the RS 457. If it was a Tuono vs Duke, it would be the Tuono.
We do compare specs vs price but ultimately what pulls on your heart strings.
The 660 had the same flat spot b/t 5 and 7k. Gabro's upmap made it totally disappear. On track, the custom map made it go from a good track bike to a great one. Hope the 457 has the same option.
Heck yes finally I've been waiting for this review. I haven't gotten to see one in person yet. However, if I'm going to be getting a new bike this is definitely going to be it
Petition to review the Honda CB650R (the naked). Your take on the e-clutch system pls!
Nobody wants his take.
@Trackandshield what's with grown ass men still saying "Nobody wants ___" like were not in middle school anymore
@@Ramonathoyeah sure buddy
The displacement sure sounds exciting! Would love to try this
Would love to see a Daily Ride of the Speed Triple RS.
They’re all in for warranty claims
@@SludgedB They are? Can you explain?
@@dmaxcustom it wasn’t a cryptic comment 😂
@@SludgedB ...ok.
@@dmaxcustom The Speed Triples in particular are more prone to electrical gremlins. Other commentator was taking a jab at it
Nice work as always. I love my two RS660s for dedicated track/racing. How do you think this would stack up on the track vs KTM390 or Ninja 400?
Great video! Always happy to see new Daily Rider videos in my feed!
I would love to see a daily rider review on the Moto Guzzi Stelvio and how it stacks up to the Mandello and GS 👍
I have ridden this bike here in India and I can tell you that the 2nd gear flat spot is because of US regulations if I'm not wrong. For me personally bike felt linear in every gear but one problem that I noticed were the brakes. They kinda were not good on the bike that I test rode. Not sure if that's the case for all the bikes.
Aprilia has specced Indian RS457s with organic brake pads which are really soft for some reason. They are not very good
Very good for you to bring up the country of manufacture point! It's a very important point to bring up!
This machine has the ability to make you want to ride! ,and that is key to the riding experience. 😊 my fz6 has my ❤,but the Aprilia has tech and style.
FZ6 '09 non R yeah. Friends say it's faster than my '03 Z1000
@@kd350 lol...
Zack you should add a night ride clip also to test the headlights and visibility at night.
Glad Aprilia keeping prices down with all the inflated/devalued dollars past 4 years. Since 2019 homes and cars increased over 50%. Past 4 years minimum average 25% increased prices from inflation. Thx Aprilia
Could you do a cbr650r daily rider?
with the footpegs bolted to the engine, it seems like you'd get a lot more heat in your feet, as well.
If not a touareg 457, maybe sth like a caponord 457? With a 19 inch front wheel to compete against honda's NX500?
Would love to see you and Ari on something decidely more American cruiser... eg HD or Indian. Just to mix it up a bit.
I want Zack's take on the 12.3" TFT and the Track Mode on Harley's 800 lb (dry) CVO Road Glide ST
Come to India, Zack. No second-gear flat spots on our bikes and this thing is total fun from idle to redline. I'll gladly take care of your accommodation and 3 home-cooked meals a day (so no food-poisoning woes 😝).
Interestingly we get the MIA module pre-installed here but no adjustable levers. Also this really should've come with the quickshifter from the factory but I paid about $250 and got it installed after 1000km. The reception for this bike has been immensely positive here barring a few niggles but that is to be expected on a brand new product hitting the market for the first time. A++ review from you as always! 🙌
Acha tere ghar ke bhar food poisoning kilo ka 30 mein bhejte hai na.
@@abhisheknair2863 haan bik raha hai. Food adulteration rate was measured at 28% in 2018-2019 from the 13% in 2011, increasing exponentially. Also these are the figures actually reported by the government based on sample testing so you can assume it to be a lot higher in reality. In fact, tere ghar ka khaana bhi ek hadd tak hi safe hai.
Lol👌👌
Been waiting for this one!
Thanks!
you guys should dyno this so we would be able to see the torque dip in second on a graph
My RS660 has that SAME fall-on-its-face feeling in 2nd at low-medium revs. Is it a wheelie control or torque control decision made by Aprilia?
emission control thing in the US - euro models don't have it.
@@axel-moto I think the V4s were affected by it as well. Gabro tune really picked 2nd gear up on my TV4
I'm from Europe and own an 2021 rs660 it falls on it face so badly at 5-6.5k. Other gears as well it doesn't pull nicely until it hits over 7k . It needs a tune it's definitely limited on purpose for some reason 😅
Does this mean Aprilia is going to release another iteration of the SXV with this parallel twin in it or is KTM/CFMoto going to beat it to the punch?
That would actually be really awesome to see
That would be nice.
Chuck that engine in a naked/adv/SM chassis please!
@@Daschickenify could you imagine how well that would sell? Like, it'd be the dream bike for many.
how did you turn the key and the bike was at eco mode? My rs457 defaults to sport mode everytime 4:00
A FuelX might help the second gear problem. I installed one on my Vitpilen 401 and it really works.
Very interested to see what the aftermarket can do with these
My experience: super fun, plenty of power (120 mph top speed), no heat issues, 50-60 mpg depending on how you ride it, tires are pretty grippy for no names, comfortable, vibey at high rpms. Worth every penny over the ninja 500. Suspension is top notch for a little bike.
This is my next season track bike.
I've gotten as many as 180 miles to a tank and as few as 145.
how worth over 500? 500 test ride was too good, super torque y low rpm, no need to rpm 7k in city. and lighter
@@maomekat2369 For me its the suspension and brakes. The ninja's suspension is crap for anything more than street riding. But I am coming from the perspective of I wanted the best small bike for the track not the best small bike to ride around on the streets.
This is what has me so excited for the small displacement segment right now. Both of these bikes are great (as well as others) and we finally have choice. I think it was the MotoAmerica Junior Cup where something like 8 bikes were eligible for the series and every single team ran a Ninja 400. Now we have legitimate options for street and track riding. At the same price, you can get a RS457 or a Ninja 500 with $1000 for parts. That's a dead heat to me. Then you add in the CFMoto options and others entering the market and it's a good time to be a track rider.
Have you serviced it yet? If so how much did it cost?
@@graffitiszn Did the first service at the dealer and it was $384. From this point on though I will just service the bike myself.
Love to see you do the MC22 if you can find one. But loving the channel, keep it up.
12:20 I completely disagree: a proper, sharp throttle map is far too nervous when you want to just relax or are riding on uneven urban roads and in traffic. It's absolutely necessary to have at least two maps, and a rain map is handy to have also.
When you want to cruise in a relaxed way just watching the sights a more relaxed mode is great to have, and if that would be the only map the bike would be incomplete as then you wouldn't have the proper response in sporty riding.
My MV Agusta is too sharp in sport mode on cobblestones, the uneven road surface makes my wrist move enough to move the throttle in the sharpest mode.
the hole in second sounds like exactly what they did with the 660. it had that same hole. and i would often (as in every single day, and often multiple times a day) get caught in traffic needing that specific range. so knowing it has that, based on my experience owning a 660 with the same problem, i would not recommend the bike at all as a daily rider. if you just want it to go buck wild at max rpm all day long, then it's a great bike. personally, i will never again (after this one and my current '24 street triple) buy a bike that is not japanese. but to each his own. (mine had the seal blow out on the rear shock and it took about 6 months to get a replacement. i only had it about 6 months, and then had to go 6 months where i couldn't ride my brand new bike.) anyway, it can't happen to all of them, so other than that, and other than the dead spot that occurs only in second gear, it was really a great bike.
BUT if you're a daily rider, do not buy this or the 660. you will find yourself in that dead spot multiple times a day.
this .same
You like the r7?
@@brianbrooks5947 i have nothing against it. i wouldn't buy one, but only because i'm not a sportbike kind of guy. i prefer naked.
i've never owned a yamaha, but when i got my sv650, it was a tossup between that and the mt07. but back then, the mt (or fz) line was a lot less refined, and so most of the reviews at the time made the sv650 sound way better to me. nowadays i would probably get the mt07 over the sv650.
Maybe the flat spot is a shout out to the old 2-strokes. :) (Yeah, yeah, EPA noise regs)
Maybe a simple tune might fix the flat spot, not that we should have to. Does it come with a quick shifter?
Ducati 748R had a bad flat spot in the power-band as well between 5-6K RPM. In its case it was the more extreme cam timing from the race cams. Maybe this baby RSV has some hot cams to make up for lack of displacement. Just a theory because when you mentioned it falls flat at around 5K RPM it reminded me of the 2002 Ducati 748R.
Maybe I’m old and out of touch, but it seems to me that an entry level sport bike with 40-ish hp doesn’t need multiple ride modes or ABS modes . I think a normal ( sport ) mode and a rain mode would suffice. The money spent on ride mode tech would probably be better spent on decent clip ons and tires .
@@larrywoolford8978 I am 100% with the rider modes honestly even rain isn't needed with that little power. But honestly TC and ABS should be mandatory on every street bike just good safety precautions. A beginner especially is very likely to do a full lockup and slide out.
it costs 0 to add modes so they do 3-4
Zack FYI, Some Indian versions have problem in the balancing of the bike, if you ride it without hands on an open road it will start to lean left.
I bought a new Ninja 400 for $3150 ($4600 OTD, tax, title, etc). I loved it. Traded it for a Triumoh America bagger. Just bought an '06 XL1200 Low, mint with stage one, upgraded Sportster seat, sissy bar/luggage rack, wind shield and Harley soft trunk, all for $3500.
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i want ducatty for 3499 ok....
Always a great review!
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why are those front indicators not integrated like in the India model?
US regulations thing. They require the indicators to be a certain distance away from the bike and be of a given minimum size. The flat spot in 2nd gear is also an EPA thing to pass ride by noise requirements. Other models, including ours in India don't have them. Many bikes have suffered as a result of it
@@_shreyash_anand I don't think it's a "certain distance" thing (Kawasaki Ninjas have had integrated turn signals for decades in the US), but rather someting about some rule against LED turn signals; my US Duke came with big ugly bulb turn signals, while in the rest of the world they all have smaller LED turn signals.
question about the throttle response; do you think they do that because the bike is meant for new riders, so there isn't quite as much torque low down, so as we get used to using the throttle there is less chance of fully yeeting yourself out of a corner?
They should make super moto on this platform 😊❤
Zack great video 🤟🤟
In india spec bikes, it doesn't have the flat spot issue so maybe its only a regional emissions requirements i guess.
So between this and cfmoto 450 other than looks which are subjective would you say its worth to spend the extra 1k(domestically ) as a first bike
Neither, find a lightly used Kawasaki
@@budmiller7436 that was the plan but there just arent any used 400's for sale. Out small cc used bike market is extremely dry
Ninja 500 actually more usable torque , cheaper spare, resale . better looking
@@maomekat2369 ninja 500 is surprisingly expensive here at 8k eur compared to the rs457 at 7.6k eur i also find the aprilia better looking but thats just an opinion
Finally, a review from someone in the States Sheesh!
Here we go!
Like your Revit jacket
if you're saying the RS has more excitement value than the 390 duke, then how much more is the prospective Tuono 457 going to have? then it may not be as much of a dead heat.
The bike is pretty but isn't that, like the same price as an MT 07? I wish I was an American faced with such choices, also two Indian made bikes back to back I wonder what you would think of the Dukes twine called the Domina.
Thank you man,, I was sitting with my PC waiting and trying to find something to watch that actually interests me... And this is exactly on time... thanks again...
Ok so , For more o a perspective.. This falls in the 10-15% people who can buy this spec range but 40-45% of people who can afford it for the price in India.. So for us this is a well needed competition for the Japanese, especially R3 and Mt-3 which are like atleat double its on road price.. with much much much worse spec sheet , but obviously better and well refined Engine..... So the Rc 390 and the honda fireblade 500 which is almost 1.5x the price(though much much more reliable).. this is a very very good alternative... Especially as the Indian Government is encouraging make in India...
lmao!! same!
Was this Aprilia made in India? Isn't the KTM made by Bajaj in India, and even designed and developed mostly by them?
@@pistonburner6448 Yes aprilia 457 is made in india afaik.
R3 and mt03 are not twice as expensive as the 457. In my city r3 is 80k more expensive than the earlier.
@@shonith91 Yeah maybe a bit exhageration.. but for the equipment on offer it is mad expensive..
Quick question have you ridden the CFMoto 800 IPex. Just curious how this really stacks up to a real KTM or a tiger 850.
If i could i would genuinely buy this buy and do a countey tour on. I love the brand and i love what they have done with it. Though shumi from motorinc has said that the breaks arent the best , maybe thats an india only thing..idk..lord i love this baby
On whether or not this is too premium of a bike, this is why I respect the ZX4RR so much, it foregoes any ambition of being an entry level machine to instead focus on being a great small displacement sport bike, and if you don't have an ego that's a wonderful thing. You get to ride it to it's limit a lot easier, and that's where a lot of the fun is. Of all the A2 sport bikes I'd definitely look at this new Aprilia first, it's priced well and just looks and handles the part.
Can you please add a cameraman at the corner of your office street so we can get 3rr person view of the backing it in?
Could you put them Side by Side if they are SO Close 🤣, you really seem to have little, to No use for ride modes ☺ and I can sort of understand it, I use modes in a cage on long trips (Eco) as way to hope for better mileage. Do you need Sport mode on the Highway vs. in the Twistier roads, I think they have their places if you gave them a chance.
Interesting and Informative as Always , Keep up the good Work !
What compression ratio does the engine have? I did not find that info anywhere on the internet.
Thanks great video. Please can you do a daily riding video of the ninja650 and honda cbr650r
Is that TFT display really blinking all the time? If so it seems very upsetting
No it's just how TFT dashes can be recorded when running certain FPS cameras / resolutions. Happens more than you'd think for our videos, but not in real life.
Bro im from India 🇮🇳 we got defective bikes(rs457) in which they haven't done proper calibration if we remove the hands on handle bar while on the go it leans to the left/pull towards left If it's the case in your us spec bike please let me know it helps me alot
I'm really envious of the last 18 seconds ride in this video. Where I come from you take the law into your own hands to lane split. It's enough to make one run for public office.
Perhaps the engine is behaving that way between 5 and 6 thousand rpm is a combination of not having its break in service and it being tracked (thrashed) before this service. 🤔
What is the point of the aluminum frame if it is not lighter than the Kawi 500?😕
Stiffness, from what I know, these frames were more about rigidity than weight. Also, they just look great.
Weight is not always the main design goal, sometimes rigidity is preferable, especially on a smaller motorcycle, where the loads are transferred more directy.
Lower center of gravity? And as others already said: optimum stiffness where it matters.
It's due to an effective minimum weight requirement for intermediate licence classification.
A2 rules in Europe specify a maximum power to weight ratio as well as a maximum power figure.
So if you opt for full A2 power as Aprilia have (47 bhp / 35 kW), it can't be any lighter than 175 kg.
I'll bet there's a fair bit of unnecessary steel in that exhaust ;)
Imagine getting dragged by a tuned lighter ninja 400 for way less money. Stiffness is a marginal gain. Yeah lower center of gravity sure but curb weight still matters specially on low cc motorcycles because every cc count.
No integrated turn signals on the US models?
DOT legality unfortunately... signals have to be a certain distance apart
the Ninja and Z500 have an SE version. just saying
mmm... not really a great upgrade, but i guess it's better than nothing?
in india the front Indicators are integrated in front headlamp
Perhaps Zack should split the daily rider leaderboard to 2 categories..one below 500cc and the other one above 500cc. As it stands i don't think any bikes below 500cc will have any chance of displacing the top 5 or top 7
It's been possible for multiple decades to get over 200 hp per Litre. So why not a properly built/speckled V4 quality suspension, brakes, Oz Wheels. 100hp sub 400lb. SP, RR, Factory Yada yada. Is there a market for that? I'd buy it.
What drugs are you on? 😅 Why would they built such an inefficient and expensive engine design with extremely hard maintainance in a 100hp class that is aimed towards young ( and poor ) riders 😂
This is number one bullshit!
These smaller displacement bikes are made with a 47hp ceiling to fit euro A2 license restriction/ lower speed limits. If you have a full A license in the EU you buy a bigger bike or if you want to commute daily, good fuel mileage and cheaper insurance, 47hp is about perfect to live with and have a little fun
@@tiago_tojeira They could make a hyper luxurious 550cc with 96hp, so it could get reduced to 48hp for europe. But I guess we have to see how the ZX4-rr does in europe
another great review. 👍 would love to see you do a bike with sidecar daily ride with ari.
Gotta find a 1980s Ural
Nice bike but I think I would save up a bit more to get the 660. (unless you're limited with A2 license)
But does it have an aluminum twin spar frame?
Why does the screen constantly blink?? Is there anyway to turn that off?
That is just the camera recording the screen, it does not do that when looking at it with your eyes.
Had Kawasaki chosen to go with a frame more similar to this one, and loosing the 13kg this has on it, the ZX4RR would've been the obvious choice.
And seeing as they're priced within $300 of each other in Sweden I reckon I'd have a hard time choosing.
whys the screen flashing?
Do you sell in India ????
Just because it's small, is it REALLY a "Beginner Bike"? I think an "up-spec" small bike makes sense. A "low spec" small beginner/budget bike makes sense, too. But "small" should not need to equate to "beginner" or "budget". What do you think?
great review. please review a zx10r on daily rider
PLEASE review the new Ducati SuperSport!
This bike should absolutely be a Tuono/Tuareg only. It feels like it's trying to slot somewhere between the RC390 and ZX4RR but they didn't know exactly how to do it.
I love these small displacement sport bikes. I have a ‘22 KTM RC390 as my second sport bike and it’s a lot of fun.
What’s your ‘main bike’ if you don’t mind me asking? I have a HD Low Rider ST - so the opposite of a small displacement sport bike and I’m thinking of getting something like the RC390, this Aprilia or the Ninja 4RR myself. I just fear I won’t ‘gel’ with it…
I have a ‘09 Yamaha R1. I have been riding for 17 years now and had many bikes in the past, including a Buell Firebolt XB-9R which is kind of a Harley. My RC390 is heavily modified and has about 50hp and weighs 320lbs without fuel. Even in its stock form it is fun. It’s the lightest bike of the group. I’m 5’11” and 210lbs and I still fit on the bike ok and the suspension is ok.
If I was going to configure this as a true "beginner's bike", the first thing I'd do is remove that fairing. A _LOT_ of beginners will drop their bike in a gravel parking lot or while stopping where the road's crown is a little more than they were ready for, and I'd rather have had a small set of crash bars (or even frame sliders) and not have the bill for fairing patching and repainting. Once they get comfortable with riding, they'll be more than ready to swap it out for something with a fairing and maybe a touch more power. And if they're buying this bike so they can do actual sports riding, then I'd suggest that they're not really beginners.
Why wasnt the CBR 500r mentioned at all in this video?
Because Zach doesn't believe the CBR is a sport bike. He believes all sport bikes should wheelie easily. The CBR doesn't --> not a sport bike (to him).
I like Zach, but he loves wheelies so much his reviews end up with huge blind spots. He prefers Z650 to Ninja 650 for same reason.
You can look to his Ninja 500 review for reference.
hey can you do one for the r3?