Congress demanding FAA examine size, safety of airplane seats
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Airline carriers have been shrinking seats for years, prompting Congress in 2018 to order the FAA to set new standards to ensure passengers can evacuate in 90 seconds or less, but their testing was widely criticized. Now, as part of the FAA reauthorization bill signed into law, Congress is demanding a do-over.
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This situation has been out of control for years and it's dangerous. Not only in an emergency but for your health on a long haul flight.
not just seat size!! the space between rows is asinine!!
I'm 6'2, for me the seats are small and extremely uncomfortable. I try to fly comfort or first class as much as I can.
But no one should be forced to pay them more/upgrade for a basic need. Hope this gets resolved!
Blows my mind that there are no minimum standards.
SAME! Over the last couple of years it's gotten to the point that flying is just a miserable experience unless I land a seat with enough legroom. But I have definitely considered just swallowing the pill and upgrading... but that's expensive.
I'm 6' but too poor to afford to upgrade and physically disabled so I just suffer since the airlines don't care about tall people and aren't willing to accommodate the handicapped.
Based on my past experience, simulation tests should replicate real-life scenarios, including cabinet settings with obstacles such as pillows on the floor, seat belts fastened, and potential distractions like people sleeping or watching entertainment. In these tests, all participants are well-prepared for evacuation procedures.
Really, what they should do is go to the airlines and ask them their statistics on age, number of carry-ons, and wheelchair assisted people. Then take that data to simulate a full plane load and see how long an evacuation takes. Cause I can guarantee anyone that boards wheelchair assisted will be carried off that aircarft to a slide.
Plus everyone in the tests is physically fit. No luggage under the seats, no one requiring extra assistance
It doesn't take a college degree to see how much of a joke this "test" was. It's just checking a box to say we did a test. It's like a mechanic popping the hood of you car, shine a flash light back and forth once without bending over or touching the car, and saying that car is mechanically sound. There should be investigations into bribery or corruption for those involved because it smells very fishy.
Too OVER CROWDED! I'LL NEVER FLY ANYMORE! 😡
Seat pitch should be at least 35in space-minimum!
Fares would skyrocket! People dont want to pay for space.
I'm amazed there isn't a standard seat and spacing.
Sitting in these seats is absolute TORTURE!
They should require all board members and upper management of these airlines to take 10+ hr economy seating trips once a year if not monthly. See how fast that seating space increases.
The real reason why Japan Airline took longer than the theoretical time of “90 sec” is because the PA system broke down after the crash, resulting in not being able to communicate with the captain. There were also multiple exists that couldn’t be used due to fire.
Still... 90 seconds seems impossible. I think ~5 minutes is more reasonable.
Yes, and that is the real world. If you study air crashes, usually half or less of the exits work, this is why there are so many of them. The FAA knows this, but they they needed to check a box for airlines clearly.
I remember my school of 2700 students all out in 5 minutes or less.
Shrinking seats is one thing but larger passenger sizes is also a contributing factor.
"Can we get serious now?....you still have not taken account of the human factor," Sully 😮
That's all i was thinking while watching this report
Been demanding this for over a decade
My first parameters searching flights are the seat size and seat pitch. There are airlines that I don't even consider because of their seats regardless of price.
Not supposed to bring luggage with you in an emergency evacuation. If you do it needs to be criminalized.
Can you also install wheelchair accessible seating like on our public transit?
Best option is to make the Aisles a bit bigger where it can fit at least 2 people side by side. The evacuation process can be twice as fast.
If that’s the test they’re doing on emergency evacuation I don’t think there’s any wonder how Boeings safety failures slipped past regulations.
Boeing was allowed to self certify their planes. It's like letting police investigate themselves, or letting a criminals buddies make up the jury... What did they think would happen? Money talks, but hey, money is free speech thanks to citizens united. Bribery is basically legal today.
This is why I think we may see FAA and EASA mandates for economy class to have at least 31" seating pitch and 18" seat width. The airlines may grumble but it's cheaper than a possible multimillion-dollar wrongful death lawsuit because passengers can't get out of the plane in time.
Would lead to much higher fares.
@@aa777flyer But it's the average across all mainline carriers.
Hopefully transport Canada follows suit
@@aa777flyer The reason why I suggest this is because with many airlines using 28" seating pitch, there are increasing concerns passengers can't get out of the seat and out of the plane quickly.
@@Sacto1654 Extra legroom=higher fares. Take your choice.
Airlines will have to compete on price and comfort once High Speed Rail gets built. That's why flights are so cheap in Europe. Because customers could just take a train if the airline tries to rip them off. In the US we have no other option. For coast to coast, planes will still be necessary but for the more frequent trips from LA to SF or Houston to Dallas or Atlanta to Charlotte, High Speed Rail will be the obvious first choice.
Demand all domestic and even international flights to not charge any carryon fees
Finally something I can get behind. Although airlines will just jack the price up if the seats enlarge.
That’s impressive! Here in Canada you could NOT get the federal government to do that. What would happen here is that the very few airlines would say that this is too much stress for them to deal with so the federal government would drop the issue. With some bribery money of course.
Well the test is to check a box, it's clear there was bribery money because the test was a less than half full plane, with able bodied people with all exits working, no seat belts, not obstacles, no smoke or fire. I mean, This is the opposite of the real world, and it doesn't take a math major to see the Swiss cheese sized holes in this "test".
Wasn't the problem with the Japan Airlines flight caused by people trying to get their carry on out of the bin?
That is the real world. This is part of the problem with the tests. I know they want you to leave it, but who is going to pay me for the $6,000 of electronics in my backpack? Surely not the airlines. So people don't want to lose their stuff. The system is broken, that's the point, and yet the FAA tells us everything is great!
Bigger seats with more legroom = Higher ticket prices
enjoy
Air travel is just horrid now
Actually the seats now are way better than they were 30 years ago. I guess people just don't remember how uncomfortable they were before modern multi-density foams were developed.
Yeah, the toddlers don't want the seats too far apart, they wouldn't be able to kick the seat back in front of them. ALL airline executives should be forced to sit in a middle seat!
that’s why i fly international airlines better leg rooms than domestic
Well first of all the seats are way too small. And thats official.
Maybe the FAA should worry about staffing air traffic controllers (ATC) in New York and Jacksonville. That way they can reduce the delays and stop getting in trouble with Mayor Pete
well... longer pitch (more legroom) will help for sure to accelerate the evacuation process... imagine there is a dead people next to you but you're seated at the window seat. Having some extra legroom will help for sure to evacuate if the other person is non responsive.
Get 'em
My private jet has really nice wide seats & they recline completely.
Air travel in USA in 2024 is a joke
Boeing pushed to reduce seat size when they launch the 787 so they can put more passengers, and hence reduce cost per passenger. The plane was designed to have the smaller 17 inch seats…
People want cheap tickets so airlines with the cheapest tickets have the most crammed seats. The only way to reverse the trend is to pay more for more space. The it would be an arms race to have the most spacious seats. It’s already happening in on international routes. The business class seats are getting more spacious and more comfortable. This because airlines can charge a lot of money for those seats.
And more and more oversized pax sitting in exit seats, FAA gotta fix it as well !!!!
Well, half the people are unhappy because nearly half are overweight and too large to comfortably fit.
They also need to address the issues for the disabled, elderly and vulnerable people. Aircraft are not safe to access for many people under ideal circumstances let alone in emergencies. The physical sizes of emergency escape hatches and the location almost guarantee most disabled or elderly people would be unable to get out via wing exits etc.
General aviation is the way boys get your license
American greed
We got plane doors flying off in the air ummm the seats do not matter much🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh yeah, corporations suck, as much of our money as they can.
Flight tickets is going to spike again
You all voted with your wallets when you decided to buy the cheapest possible airline ticket. The airlines need to stay in business so they decided to make the seats smaller and closer together so they could cram in more seats. You want bigger seats and more leg room? Maybe don't buy the cheapest ticket and book with the slightly more expensive airline with better seats.
Time to bring back regulations on airlines.
90 seconds to get everyone off?? HA! It takes me that long just to pry myself out of the window seat and into the aisle on a cramped economy cabin! And I am 6'2 180 lb able-bodied guy! And yes, I am exaggerating, but with a filled to capacity plane with extremely short seat pitch, it is a challenge to get out of the seat and into the aisle not to mention off the plane!!
And you know what, they just have to prove it once. They can try ad many times as they want. Just have to prove they can do it once.
The FAA have proven itself to be just a liability cover for airlines and air plane manufacturers to do whatever they want.
Makes me long for the days of Pan Am, a shame I never was able to fly them... (born 2002)
and northwest orient and TWA. I remember how good flying once was.
A plane ticket cost $3500
FAA is so bought by the airlines and aircraft manufacturers.
before people is skinny and small, nowadays people are tall, big size.
FRAUD INC
The Japanese are some of the thinnest or least obese people in the world. And yes, Japanese people are up to 1 foot taller now vs. the 2nd World War. But 18 minutes to evacuate a full Airbus a350 cabin. The seat pitch must be increased to accommodate the very tall or very wide passengers, especially when evacuating an airplane.
Fly business/first problem solved 😊
Premium Economy, and to an extent "comfort+" would do it. I don't fly anything less than 31" pitch. Realistically, the regulations should be at least based upon narrow-body and wide-body size. I wouldn't think most narrow-bodies would need much wider of a seat considering most fly with fewer passengers than wide-bodies.
And add fat people to the equation who are slower, block the aisle there is no way any US airline could evacuate people in 90 seconds.
Easier to blame the company than weigh passengers. Use software used to map subdivisions to measure the average backside.
That’s why I only fly southwest. No matter where I sit on their planes I have plenty of room. I am 510.