Breaking the warp 10 barriere from the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Threshold". Cool shuttle jump to warp! Follow my Instagram page star_trek_collector / star_trek_collector
warp 1 - fine warp 2 - fine warp 3 - fine warp 4 - fine warp 5 - fine warp 6 - fine warp 7 - fine warp 8 - fine warp 9 - fine warp 9.9 - fine warp 9.975 - fine warp 10 - you turn into a salamander warp 13 - fine
The thing about this episode is that it is the first time a Federation ship has gone to Warp ten on its own without the intervention of aliens entities or technologies. Consider what happened in WW2 when Atomic weapons were first used at trinity. No one knew that radiation would be a factor. While cameras had been set up, unprotected soldiers and scientist were sent in to retrieve the film. Even just a few minutes of exposure caused sever damage. Consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They thought it would just be a big bang, no one knew what the after effects would be. The same is for this episode of Voyager. Something new that had a unforeseen result.
@@porpus99 So the alternate timeline Enterprise D with war ready refits, and a third warp nacelle had to deal with finding countermeasures to avoid people being turned into salamanders everytime they hit warp 13 or even anything beyond warp 9.975?
@@PreciselyTuned Wow! Cheap gratification! "We've broken the Warp 10 barrier! By changing the scaling system again. Now we can go beyond warp 10. However push to anything beyond Warp 13 and it'll be bad luck for you" Warp 13, the warp level before twilight zone stuff happens.
Side effects of Warp 10 may include turning into a lizard, mating with other characters, and awful writing. Ask the Doctor if Warp 10 is right for you.
Considering that the lizard thing was reversible anyway, here's what they should've done: 1) Make the warp 10 modifications to Voyager itself. 2) Program a flight plan back to the Alpha quadrant. 3) Tell the computer to broadcast a distress call when they arrive. 4) Put all members of the crew in the holodeck, so that the Doctor can treat them all afterwards (this episode is S2 so he can only be in sick bay or the holodecks). 5) Initiate the warp 10 flight plan.
One of many instances on Voyager when they find a viable way home, figure out how to fix any drawbacks by the end of the episode, and then just ignore it for the rest of the series because the plot demands it. "Hey, we fixed this Coaxial Warp drive and now it works great on two separate ships. Lets never speak of it again!"
Based on the Alcubierre design, the ship doesn't move; it warps space in front and behind. Therefore infinite warp wouldn't mean existing in all points of the universe at once; it would mean the entire universe would be infinitely compressed in front of the ship, and infinitely expanded behind. Everything in front of the Delta flyer, including Earth, would be compressed into an ultra-dense singularity; this might actually trigger another big bang. Everything behind, including Voyager, would expand infinitely out of existence. Good job Tom. Your hobby made you a Q.
Alcubierre didn't think of how a warp field would work in real life when Voyager aired... I think.. This at least still works on the rules set up by TNG. There is no explanation for warp fields,, except that Roddenberry said they served to make the distance to their destination smaller by warping (something he said in an interview once). Sadly by this time, there was no explanation in the technical manual.. Except that it used subspace to establish a warpfield. So far subspace is still a mathematical concept only.
@@WinSchutten the paper on it was actually published during DS9's run, with the author saying he was inspired by the concept of the warp field bubble in the TNG episode Remember me there wasn't really a similar concept in sci-fi before TNG suggested it, and there wasn't a scientific paper testing the maths against the known laws of the universe before Alcubierre took a look at it the maths checks out though and it abides by the known laws of the universe without violating causality the only cruxes are the exhaustive energy requirements, the "bubble" being effectively isolated from the rest of the universe so it would heat up very very quickly, and the "bubble" would gather exotic particles during the trip that would beam out like a laser when the traveller reaches their destination the rules say nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light, but it says nothing about the universe distorting at that speed; hence why space is able to expand faster than C so the actual Warp 10 concept isn't the worst thing to introduce to Trek lore as it's still consistent (bar a few earlier TNG episodes and the finale where a behind-the-scenes stated that the Warp Scale changed again in the future due to the introduction of transwarp tech), it was just...a bad episode overall
So, the Federation with thousands of Species and Planets can't reach Warp 10, but Paris just did it as hobby in his free time on a stranded Ship. Fantastic.
Even the writers hated this episode. In a later episode they actually had Paris categorically state that he'd never been at transwarp, which even by Voyager's dubious standards is reset-button-mashing at its finest.
Is no one even gonna mention how in the very next scene Paris basically recounts a heroric psychedelic trip, and then the Doctors response is "Well.... Im glad you had a good time..." That was hands down the funniest moment in star trek.
The thing is, this would have gotten them home. The engine worked, and the doctor figured out how to fix the evolution problem. So use the engine to get home, then have the doc immediately treat the crew. Done!
What I don't get is they were testing the new dilithium as it was much more stable. Yes, he hit Warp 10 and it messed him up. So that was that. Why did the Voyager crew not keep testing without hitting Warp 10 and adapt that into Voyager? They could've VASTLY increased their maximum speed and shaved tons of time off the journey home
But surely that was a result of crossing the threshold. If they'd have adapted it for Voyager WITHOUT breaking the barrier, they could've kept themselves safe AND gone much faster
Atleast he's a redshirt, but in the later series' like TNG or Voyager they started to kill off Engineers instead of Tacticals, since the captains became Tactical unlike Kirk who was an Engineer.
+FireAntFace Nope. Command and Tactical colors switched from yellow to red when TNG was launched. Also, engineering and security switched from red to yellow as well. Science officers remained blue. The color switch was seen with Geordi (started red early in the series as he was at the helm, then switched to yellow when he became chief enginneer) and Worf (started red as he was tactical, then switched to yellow when he became chief of security). With that in mind, can anyone tell me where Data actually belong? He wore an engineering/security uniform yet he was at the helm. I would think he should have been wearing a red uniform. Kirk was never engineering...he was always command. Engineering in TOS had red uniforms (look at Scotty for an example).
They could have done ANYTHING with this episode and warp 10. Time travel! Alternate universe! Somehow creates a clone of Paris and both come back to Voyager for a few episodes.And yet... they go with transforming into creatures and mating to make other creatures. I MAY have accepted it if it set up anything at all in terms of shipping. But nope. Just a throwaway episode.
Well, the whole Warp 10 thing had to fail in some way, or the show would have been over. But the plot twist they used to do that had to come from a maelon garbage dump
@@undrhil Brilliant! I didn't even think of that! Voyager didn't even get a Mirror Universe episode! A couple of knock-off ones, I guess, but this could have been a legit segway into the Mirror Universe, maybe just put a few more crew on Paris's shuttle .... heck, they could have done what Enterprise did and not even bother with the segway, and just show an episode or 2 window in to that universe! I love Voyager, and loved watching it back in the day, but man, what a wasted opportunity!
@@undrhil Ah, me too! It was so unexpected: here you are tuning in for a normal episode (as the series was, sadly, winding down) and they just hit you with it of left field! Plus, who could argue with Empress Hoshi Sato?! Maybe the Mirror Universe isn't so bad, afterall! ;)
Lord Proteus Was that the episode where Quark and His son and cousin were in a shuttlecraft that just kept on going faster and faster and they ended up in Roswell, NM. in the year 1947?
+Nisselak its a infinite universe anything can happen. i for one think it is great that the writers went off the wrails to make such a memorable episode
Warp ten is defined as "infinite velocity" - you're everywhere in the universe at once. You can get infinitely closer to warp ten (Warp 9.9, Warp 9.99, Warp 9.999, etc), but never actually reach it. That's just how the scale is made. There is no real "warp 10" barrier, per se, just an inability to be everywhere at once, but this episode threw that idea out the window.
@@sarcasticguy4311 That's assumed to be because of a change in the way the warp scale is calculated. Short version is that in TOS and Enterprise there's a different warp scale that is just a linear increase in speed, so of course speeds faster than Warp 10 are possible, the same as how just because your car's max speed is 200 mph doesn't mean that some other car can't go 250 mph. TNG, DS9, and VOY used a different scale, the one I described above, that for whatever reason set Warp 10 as "infinite speed" and made it possible to get close to it but never actually reach it. Which doesn't make sense - it's a bit like making 60 mph "infintie speed" with a car and saying that you can get to 59 mph, 59.9 mph, 59.99 mph, etc., but never actually reach 60 mph. The "All Good Things..." timeline probably just through that out the window and either went back to the TOS/ENT scale, or created a new linear one.
@@RogueShadows It's just a number. Reaching Warp 10 or 11 or 22 is just a cube of the speed of light. Setting Warp 10 as some sort of anomaly was a stupid idea. Star Wars hyperspace is far faster than warp speed and in Star Ocean they use the linear scale and at the end of the "series" have achieved "Warp" 15+. Crippling the series over something like this is just weird. Would've been better off saying he slipped in to a bizarre wormhole or something.
Threshold is one of my guilty pleasures. I think it's a fun episode kinda like the fly meets star trek. Also the visual of Voyager accelerating to Warp 9.975 while pursuing Paris after he kidnaps Janeway was pretty cool.
I love how this episode just ignores the fact that Beverly Crusher's medical ship traveled at Warp 13 in TNG's "All Good Things" without devolving into an amphibian or whatever else. Brannon Braga wrote that episode, only to contradict his own canon later.
Voyager Crew: "Let's go to Warp 10, which is theorised to be infinite speed." Paris: *Goes Warp 10 and disappears out of sensor & communication range. Something to be expected from going infinite speed if you think about it for more than 2 minutes. If anything he should've lost contact immediately, and not after a few seconds.* Voyager Crew: *Surprised Pikachu face*
And don't forget what Dr. McCoy said in Search for Spock "Reach Warp 10 and it's time travel" So yeah, something is "canon" in Star Trek until its really inconvenient for the writers.
And they never tried it again, even though they now knew exactly what they were dealing with, and how to reverse it. Also, you'd think there would be a few more steps between warp 9.999 repeating, and INFINITE velocity.
This episode could have worked slightly better if instead of modifying a shuttle Voyager had stumbled across some weird area of subspace that somehow allowed a ship to go beyond warp 10. It’s still kind of ridiculous and causes issues but it would at least explain why Starfleet had never done it.
The episode is only flawed because they never use it again. The doctor found a cure, great. Use it on Voyager, blitz home, and then cure everyone when you get home. Then explore universe and repeat easy.
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But that's always the case. Later, the crew finds a spaceship with advanced space-folding technology and installs it on one of their shuttlecraft. Never mentioned again.
At the end of the episode Tom should have said “Computer, end program” and he steps out of the holodeck. At least in my head canon this episode is just Tom fantasising about getting back to Earth by some implausible means.
They changed to a tangentle scale. As you approach warp 10 the faster you go, but you never actually reach 10. Eventually even an increase of .0000001 increase in warp is a huge jump in speed. so in alternate times/universes they just say warp 13 to convey increased speed, because were to dumb to know what they mean when they say, ahead warp factor 9.9999387281332. perhaps 13 is code, where 3 is the number of 9's after the dot. 13 is 9.999 14 is 9.9999
+Kooka Munga If I'm not mistaken, since Paris established that Warp 9.9 is 4 billion miles per second, equating to 21 473 times speed of light... the Warp scale also works along the lines that past 9.9, each incremental increase results in doubling of speed. So, Warp 9.91 would be 42 946 times speed of light. 9.92 would be double that 9.93 double that again And so on and so on. This actually makes a lot more sense, and Voyager was usually not cruising at what was said to be their maximum sustainable cruise velocity of Warp 9.975 (which would get them back to Federation space in just under 7 days). Now, the reason why Voyager never reached those speeds is because their initial pull to the Delta Quadrant severely damaged the ship, and probably the Warp engines. This could actually explain their power issues in the early seasons and their inability to maintain Warp 9.975 for more than a few seconds - Chakotay ordered the ship to slow to Warp 9.5 to reduce stress on the hull... and we've seen that most ships in the Federation rarely travel at Warp 9.9 to begin with... they usually go 9.2 to 9.5.
Leon Kernan different propulsion system. sub space tunnels like wormholes through regular space/time! though wild theory not cannon but suggested in Dyson Sphere novel that sub space is artificial. hmmmnn??
transwarp... only means, higher speed than with warp possible, slipstream is transwarp, wormholes are transwarp, transwarp-conduits are transwarp and i guess the borg could break the threshold without evolving like paris and janeway just by adapting the biological parts genetically or with the borg-nano-cells
Jan-Christopher Estelmann to add, the Federation had a ship with Transwarp in Star Trek 3, like a hundred years before this episode. I think “Transwarp” just means non-warp FTL propulsion that’s faster than current warp technology. They don’t use that transwarp anymore because warp drive got better.
Faster than light travel is impossible, but warp drive is not impossible because it does not involve inertia or acceleration. Warp drive functions as variable induction field which uses energy to manipulate space infront of and behind the vessel. The ship does not actually move at all; it actually pulls and pushes the space around it. This may sound implausible, but it is perfectly within the laws of physics. NASA has been working on it for a while. Google "NASA breakthrough propulsion."
In a novel, the offspring were able to interbreed and eventually created a civilization - and were horrified to see a holo of Janeway and Paris as they looked as humans.
Is this the one where he turns into some primatial fish. As his molecules are scrambled from going Warp 10? As that episode was strange as watching paint dry!
I think it's more fun to remember that we have. Just pretend that aliens were able to somehow sneak LSD into the entire planet's water supply for the duration of the episode.
After crossing the entire universe at infinite speed, he is able to exit warp within the vicinity of where he started; that is some impressive navigation! Also, I would expect the shuttlecraft to turn into fruit. #HHGTTG
Actually in the episode you're talking about they redefined the warp scale. Warp 13 there was equal to warp 9 here. I forget the reasoning but you can look it up if you don't believe me.
The reason is because in the old scale Warp 10 is impossible. You physically cannot reach Warp 10. This meant, that as ships' maximum velocities came closer and closer to Warp 10, their speeds got more and more complicated. For instance, Voyager's maximum warp is 9.975. It's just too fiddly.
always got a kick out of the voyager warp ten episode like it was a first and ur in all places at one time. remember the episode on the original series the enterprise was at warp 14.1. plus common sense when they done time warp. obviously didnt fly around the sun and wiith the sling shot only hit warp 9.9.
The USS Excelsior NX-2000 Has transwarp 23rd century by 2286 also the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-D Also Did transwarp they went 2 million light-years in the galaxy known as M33
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The Excelsior's transwarp drive was just an experiment. It was also not a transwarp drive in the Voth or Borg sense, but simply an improvement on existing technology. They wanted to break the Enterprise's land speed record, which was at Warp 14.1 at the time, which is Warp 9.8 on the TNG scale.
could have loaded a bunch of ships, made them way w10 capable and had a transponder in them, launched maybe 6 10k lighters apart all the way to the alpha quadrant , so they could have established a link to the federation.
The greatest minds in the universe couldn't figure out warp 10, but Tom Paris + a few others on a shitty little insignificant starship lost in the Delta quadrant? No problem ..
+43854586 No, they just found some magic rock that solved some of the technical problems. It's believableish. What I can't stand is that they didn't just outfit a probe with it and send it to Earth. They also could've autopilot the shuttle full of the material and have Earth solve the lizard problems.
When I first watched this episode I was hoping for a Chuck Yeager-type of storyline. Actually using human (Kilingon etc) ingenuity like they did back in the 50s (and how they would later do the 60s 'space race' with the Delta Flyer's construction). The first act of this episode is fine. It falls apart after that.
Hakageryuu I’m not attempting to make this one sound better. I know this episode was the worst of all of the Star Trek modern franchise but I never see anyone complain about some of those early TNG episodes that were also very questionable.
The Warp scale is logarithmic and maxes out at Warp 10. A ship cannot attain Warp 10 because it would require infinite energy. Much like crossing the light-speed barrier in normal space, it's impossible to cross the Warp 10 threshold. But sure, these two chuckle-heads in the Delta quadrant with an out-of-date shuttle craft accomplished what all of Starfleet's scientists back home couldn't...
So what happened to the directive in TNG which stated NOT to exceed warp 5 except in emergencies? You know, because it would cause space and subspace to merge?
+Prowly-b While it wasn't directly addressed, it is highly likely that Voyager's variable geometry nacelles allow the ship to travel at high warp speeds without damaging subspace. Voyager was commissioned well after that TNG episode took place after all, and it is also likely that all other SF ships underwent similar modifications in the follow up months/years so their engines also wouldn't damage subspace.
+Prowly-b The episode was fine as far as I'm concerned. As for the analogy to global warming... climate change has a lot of evidence to back it up and use of fossil fuels in this day and age is just plain stupid (considering the amount of pollution and health problems [deaths included] they produce), especially since we could have been using Geothermal since 1911 for clean power production, then solar, wind, tidal and wave. The ecological cost of burning fossil fuels is enormous. None of the companies care about it... if they did, they wouldn't be profitable. The socio-economic system is utterly outdated and not fit for our level of science and technology - especially when it creates artificially induced scarcity, and damages the environment to such a degree where at this point, it is only a matter of time before it collapses (unless we act)... and I can assure you that if the Earth's natural bioshpere goes, we go along with it (because we depend on the Earth).
deksman There's so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to begin. The founder of the Weather Channel has gone on record, and numerous other scientists have gone on record stating that the earth is at the beginning of a warming cycle happening independent of human activity. The "science" of global warming is being used to push an extreme totalitarian anti-human viewpoint in order to destroy the economies of industrialized nations. It has nothing to do with sustainability. It has nothing to do with responsible environmental activism. No one seriously believes Carbon is harming the environment...why do you think Al Gore flies around on his private jet giving these speeches? You think he isn't getting paid to promote this crap? Global Warming is a hoax! Do your research!
Warp 10 is regarded as infinite velocity! So theoretically any vessel traveling at warp 10 could exist at all points in the universe all at once! Nothing or nobody could ever hope or dream to go that fast!
+vortex light It was an alien life-form referred to as "The Traveler" who propelled the ship over 2.7 million light years from the Milky Way, and then another Billion from that location. Though I will say this, they had absolutely no F#$%ing clue what they were doing with the time-scale at that point, since LaForge claimed it would take 300 years to travel back to the Milky Way on the Enterprise D, which doesn't have a maximum Warp Speed anywhere close to Voyager's, who would have taken 70 years to travel 70,000 Light Years.
this episode was written after the writer stayed back late on night and banged their boss and lived to regret it as one should. banging your boss is wrong on so many levels. just don't do it unless you're going to quit the next day and already have a new start at another job.
The borg created a channel of wormholes connecting the galaxy. that happened here was punching a hole in space and leaving space entirely. its unstable thus why the borg made wormhole network because this could send you anywhere. my theory to have this make some sense.
"Captain, it would appear that going warp 10 turns you into slug creatures that then proceed to bang and have 3 children in a swamp" "Yes, let us never speak of this again" "Agreed"
Apparently, Warp 10 is akin to appearing in any part of the known universe instantaneously. I don't understand physics (or TV warp physics) but that doesn't sound right to me.
Wait a minute. According to Star Trek canon, doesn't warp 10 on the latest factor scale represent infinite speed, in which an object (theoretically, but never in reality) occupy all points in space everywhere simultaneously?
The borg always traveled at transwarp velocity. In the TOS series, the Enterprise started out traveling at a cruise speed of warp 10, then it droped down to 6 by the time the movies came out
Donald Dalpian I'm not disputing that the Borg traveled at transwarp velocities, although it's inevitable that in its early history there would have been a time when they would not have had that capability. I'm disputing that something could travel an infinite velocity. In TOS warp 6 was maximum safe cruising speed and warp 8 maximum speed. I also found this: "In 24th century warp theory, warp factor 10 had been redesignated to correspond with infinite velocity. A vessel traveling at warp 10 occupied all points in the universe simultaneously. Warp 10 was also known as the transwarp threshold." memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor
TomYale Ah I see. So in other words, the warp theory speeds of TOS was what it was in the series, then it was redesignated to warp 6 cruising speed in the movies.
Donald Dalpian Exactly. The people who took care of canon wanted to maintain consistency for all the Star Trek shows and movies. That consistency was necessary so writers could think up suspenseful stories, while also succeeding to suspend our disbelief in something that doesn't actually exist, but still plausible given our present level of science. As a vehicle for stories about socially relevant issues, this is one important thing that made Star Trek so successful. For as many episodes as I've seen, Voyager didn't stick to this canon very well.
I agree, but for a different reason. Chances are if other species have attained transwarp capability, their civilizations have laws about where they can travel with it. So it's not that our planet is unappealing to them, it's that they are enlightened enough not to get involved with lesser advanced species. Sort of like the "prime directive".
So a single ship and its crew not only figured this out but did it on a shuttle no less Meanwhile back home billions of scientists still haven't figured this out
The borg have a network of transwarp "tubes" which probably limits where they could go! like if a tube had an exit aperture in the alpha quadrant but that would still leave some distance to travel at conventional warp.
warp 1 - fine
warp 2 - fine
warp 3 - fine
warp 4 - fine
warp 5 - fine
warp 6 - fine
warp 7 - fine
warp 8 - fine
warp 9 - fine
warp 9.9 - fine
warp 9.975 - fine
warp 10 - you turn into a salamander
warp 13 - fine
The thing about this episode is that it is the first time a Federation ship has gone to Warp ten on its own without the intervention of aliens entities or technologies. Consider what happened in WW2 when Atomic weapons were first used at trinity. No one knew that radiation would be a factor. While cameras had been set up, unprotected soldiers and scientist were sent in to retrieve the film. Even just a few minutes of exposure caused sever damage. Consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They thought it would just be a big bang, no one knew what the after effects would be. The same is for this episode of Voyager. Something new that had a unforeseen result.
@@porpus99 So the alternate timeline Enterprise D with war ready refits, and a third warp nacelle had to deal with finding countermeasures to avoid people being turned into salamanders everytime they hit warp 13 or even anything beyond warp 9.975?
@@nolanwhite1876 Nah they changed the warp scale again
@@PreciselyTuned Wow! Cheap gratification! "We've broken the Warp 10 barrier! By changing the scaling system again. Now we can go beyond warp 10. However push to anything beyond Warp 13 and it'll be bad luck for you"
Warp 13, the warp level before twilight zone stuff happens.
Warp 69
Side effects of Warp 10 may include turning into a lizard, mating with other characters, and awful writing. Ask the Doctor if Warp 10 is right for you.
Charles Urban this comment increases my serotonin levels.
Agree with everything except awful writing.
Charles Urban hahhaha Never watched this show but it really does look God awful.
@@brother10grim God awful would be Star Trek Discovery.
Like you could do better.
Considering that the lizard thing was reversible anyway, here's what they should've done:
1) Make the warp 10 modifications to Voyager itself.
2) Program a flight plan back to the Alpha quadrant.
3) Tell the computer to broadcast a distress call when they arrive.
4) Put all members of the crew in the holodeck, so that the Doctor can treat them all afterwards (this episode is S2 so he can only be in sick bay or the holodecks).
5) Initiate the warp 10 flight plan.
What about stasis pods?
bad plan
In the real world, yes. But this is TV land and you still need to make a TV show. This would be the end of the show.
I'd like to to see this done on HISHE
7) end up right back where u started and realise the whole thing was a waste of time. But hey at least u got to mate with a fellow crew member
One of many instances on Voyager when they find a viable way home, figure out how to fix any drawbacks by the end of the episode, and then just ignore it for the rest of the series because the plot demands it. "Hey, we fixed this Coaxial Warp drive and now it works great on two separate ships. Lets never speak of it again!"
The Slipstream drive as well.
@@thegrimmretails3777 they revisit it. The slipstream has issues. it only gets perfected near 25 century.
Based on the Alcubierre design, the ship doesn't move; it warps space in front and behind. Therefore infinite warp wouldn't mean existing in all points of the universe at once; it would mean the entire universe would be infinitely compressed in front of the ship, and infinitely expanded behind. Everything in front of the Delta flyer, including Earth, would be compressed into an ultra-dense singularity; this might actually trigger another big bang. Everything behind, including Voyager, would expand infinitely out of existence.
Good job Tom. Your hobby made you a Q.
This is the best example of why it's nonsense I've heard yet. Based upon the established rules of "how things work" in Star Trek.
Dude, you just took my brain to Warp 420.
@@compmanio36your comment isn’t even complete sentences so… yeah you’re complete nonsense..
Alcubierre didn't think of how a warp field would work in real life when Voyager aired... I think.. This at least still works on the rules set up by TNG.
There is no explanation for warp fields,, except that Roddenberry said they served to make the distance to their destination smaller by warping (something he said in an interview once).
Sadly by this time, there was no explanation in the technical manual.. Except that it used subspace to establish a warpfield. So far subspace is still a mathematical concept only.
@@WinSchutten the paper on it was actually published during DS9's run, with the author saying he was inspired by the concept of the warp field bubble in the TNG episode Remember me
there wasn't really a similar concept in sci-fi before TNG suggested it, and there wasn't a scientific paper testing the maths against the known laws of the universe before Alcubierre took a look at it
the maths checks out though and it abides by the known laws of the universe without violating causality
the only cruxes are the exhaustive energy requirements, the "bubble" being effectively isolated from the rest of the universe so it would heat up very very quickly, and the "bubble" would gather exotic particles during the trip that would beam out like a laser when the traveller reaches their destination
the rules say nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light, but it says nothing about the universe distorting at that speed; hence why space is able to expand faster than C
so the actual Warp 10 concept isn't the worst thing to introduce to Trek lore as it's still consistent (bar a few earlier TNG episodes and the finale where a behind-the-scenes stated that the Warp Scale changed again in the future due to the introduction of transwarp tech), it was just...a bad episode overall
So, the Federation with thousands of Species and Planets can't reach Warp 10, but Paris just did it as hobby in his free time on a stranded Ship. Fantastic.
That just about sums up Voyager perfectly.
It is not that they can not go warp 10 it is they do not want to get turned into something.
They found a new form of fuel. Seriously this show wasn't bad at all
And to think people have a problem with Discovery. I think we have nostalgia blinkers on sometimes, some fuckkng awful plot holes in a the series.
They found a new form of dilithium which allowed them to break the warp 10 barrier
Tom: "Light speed..... Ridiculous speed..... Ludicrous speed!"
Harry: "Captain! He's gone to plaid!"
Glitcher2000 Whats the matter Col. Sanders? Chicken!?
Why don't we take a 5 minute break 😉
+Barnaby Ambrose are you related to macros amborse? the nascar driver?
+Barnaby Ambrose Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
WE PASSED THEM!!!
STOP THIS THING!!!
Even the writers hated this episode. In a later episode they actually had Paris categorically state that he'd never been at transwarp, which even by Voyager's dubious standards is reset-button-mashing at its finest.
Yeah but it was funny
Is no one even gonna mention how in the very next scene Paris basically recounts a heroric psychedelic trip, and then the Doctors response is "Well.... Im glad you had a good time..."
That was hands down the funniest moment in star trek.
Yeah that part was very interesting to me
And in star trek discovery, they can go faster than warp speeds using mushroom technology pioneered by Dr. Paul Stammets (a bonefide shroom guru). 🤔
The thing is, this would have gotten them home. The engine worked, and the doctor figured out how to fix the evolution problem. So use the engine to get home, then have the doc immediately treat the crew. Done!
To boldly go where no Star Trek writer has gone before!
"I can't find him...he's gone." Well, heck....that's what I would expect if he was traveling at fucking Warp 10... hahaha
I know, right? Does the bridge crew not understand what "infinite" means?
@@SilentBudgie it's analog, not digital.
What I don't get is they were testing the new dilithium as it was much more stable. Yes, he hit Warp 10 and it messed him up. So that was that. Why did the Voyager crew not keep testing without hitting Warp 10 and adapt that into Voyager? They could've VASTLY increased their maximum speed and shaved tons of time off the journey home
But surely that was a result of crossing the threshold. If they'd have adapted it for Voyager WITHOUT breaking the barrier, they could've kept themselves safe AND gone much faster
Maybe they didnt want to turn into lizards that make out with everyone.
true meaning of "we should've used an ensign"
Atleast he's a redshirt, but in the later series' like TNG or Voyager they started to kill off Engineers instead of Tacticals, since the captains became Tactical unlike Kirk who was an Engineer.
+FireAntFace Nope. Command and Tactical colors switched from yellow to red when TNG was launched. Also, engineering and security switched from red to yellow as well. Science officers remained blue. The color switch was seen with Geordi (started red early in the series as he was at the helm, then switched to yellow when he became chief enginneer) and Worf (started red as he was tactical, then switched to yellow when he became chief of security).
With that in mind, can anyone tell me where Data actually belong? He wore an engineering/security uniform yet he was at the helm. I would think he should have been wearing a red uniform.
Kirk was never engineering...he was always command. Engineering in TOS had red uniforms (look at Scotty for an example).
They could have done ANYTHING with this episode and warp 10. Time travel! Alternate universe! Somehow creates a clone of Paris and both come back to Voyager for a few episodes.And yet... they go with transforming into creatures and mating to make other creatures. I MAY have accepted it if it set up anything at all in terms of shipping. But nope. Just a throwaway episode.
Well, the whole Warp 10 thing had to fail in some way, or the show would have been over. But the plot twist they used to do that had to come from a maelon garbage dump
Could have been a terrific Segway into a Mirror Universe two-parter
@@undrhil Brilliant! I didn't even think of that! Voyager didn't even get a Mirror Universe episode! A couple of knock-off ones, I guess, but this could have been a legit segway into the Mirror Universe, maybe just put a few more crew on Paris's shuttle .... heck, they could have done what Enterprise did and not even bother with the segway, and just show an episode or 2 window in to that universe!
I love Voyager, and loved watching it back in the day, but man, what a wasted opportunity!
@@Jayce1701 I loved the custom opening they did for Enterprise's mirror universe episode
@@undrhil Ah, me too! It was so unexpected: here you are tuning in for a normal episode (as the series was, sadly, winding down) and they just hit you with it of left field!
Plus, who could argue with Empress Hoshi Sato?! Maybe the Mirror Universe isn't so bad, afterall! ;)
"So, uhm, here's the thing, he went so fast he turned into a fish..."
Janeway: "........."
"Yeeeaaaahh....."
Janeway: "I bet Q did this!"
Wow! I wonder what would have happened if He was traveling at warp 37.
+stephen lang warp ten is as fast as you can warp. your sort of just evry where at once basically. hence why you turn into fish?
*****
Pretty sure there was a nonsensical "Warp 13" in "All Good Things".
Lord Proteus
Was that the episode where Quark and His son and cousin were in a shuttlecraft that just kept on going faster and faster and they ended up in Roswell, NM. in the year 1947?
Lord Proteus
Or perhaps it's different Star Trek show You talking about? The time travel/Roswell episode was from Star Trek Voyager.
R ert Duncan McNeill
O ert Beltran
B ert Picardo
damn, a lot of Roberts on Voyager
Oh yes, THIS episode. I'm usually pretty forgiving of the occassions where Voyager goes a little off the rails, but this one? No. Just no.
+PhilosopherGaming Even the production staff has said "yup, we fucked up on this episode. It's not canon, pretend it never happened. Sorry y'all!"
***** I just make the assumption that the script writers sprinkled too much crack on their cereal that day.
+CRocketSlim: just like the episode where Kes returns to the Voyager.
They never happened. Never!
è_é
+Nisselak its a infinite universe anything can happen. i for one think it is great that the writers went off the wrails to make such a memorable episode
***** actually, the universe is not infinite, its extension corresponds to the expansion from the big bang to the present day
I need more Voyager - someone go make a modern Star Trek series like Voyager - we need it more than ever before.
As silly as the episode is,the silliest part is that Tom is accelerating to Warp 10.
i like how right before he hits it he says "velocity..." because to achieve warp 10 using current starfleet tech it requires INFINITE velocity.
1:50
He's gone to plaid !
Harry: "Nothing... I can't find him. He's gone."
At infinite velocity??? I NEVER WOULD'VE GUESSED! =O
Warp ten is defined as "infinite velocity" - you're everywhere in the universe at once.
You can get infinitely closer to warp ten (Warp 9.9, Warp 9.99, Warp 9.999, etc), but never actually reach it.
That's just how the scale is made. There is no real "warp 10" barrier, per se, just an inability to be everywhere at once, but this episode threw that idea out the window.
That's why even the writers said "Nah we fucked up fam, just disregard this one. Not canon."
@@compmanio36 I wish that were true, but it's not. The writers never actually said it's not canon.
@@RogueShadows And then in ST:NG they're doing Warp 13.
@@sarcasticguy4311 That's assumed to be because of a change in the way the warp scale is calculated. Short version is that in TOS and Enterprise there's a different warp scale that is just a linear increase in speed, so of course speeds faster than Warp 10 are possible, the same as how just because your car's max speed is 200 mph doesn't mean that some other car can't go 250 mph.
TNG, DS9, and VOY used a different scale, the one I described above, that for whatever reason set Warp 10 as "infinite speed" and made it possible to get close to it but never actually reach it.
Which doesn't make sense - it's a bit like making 60 mph "infintie speed" with a car and saying that you can get to 59 mph, 59.9 mph, 59.99 mph, etc., but never actually reach 60 mph.
The "All Good Things..." timeline probably just through that out the window and either went back to the TOS/ENT scale, or created a new linear one.
@@RogueShadows It's just a number. Reaching Warp 10 or 11 or 22 is just a cube of the speed of light. Setting Warp 10 as some sort of anomaly was a stupid idea. Star Wars hyperspace is far faster than warp speed and in Star Ocean they use the linear scale and at the end of the "series" have achieved "Warp" 15+. Crippling the series over something like this is just weird. Would've been better off saying he slipped in to a bizarre wormhole or something.
Ironically, it was quite an achievement to get a shuttle to go warp 9. (especially with Voyager's resources in series 2) They only do 4-5 usually.
That look of horror on Janeway's face when they lose Tom is classic.
Wait, this isn't warp 10, it's warp 1/0!
o.O
Or *(-1) ln (0)*
Nice
considering "Warp 10" is technically infinite, you are correct.
you should not have used the exclamation point, because 0! = 1, therefore 1/0! = 1/1 = 1
All the actors in this series would make amazing voice actors.
Threshold is one of my guilty pleasures. I think it's a fun episode kinda like the fly meets star trek. Also the visual of Voyager accelerating to Warp 9.975 while pursuing Paris after he kidnaps Janeway was pretty cool.
Star Trek has had bad episodes before, but this one set a whole new Threshold.
I like that warp jump!! Nicely done. But i hatee the lizard thing..i cant imagine tom paris banging janeway
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That was some space-fart.
I just look at Harry Kim and know that's not the one from the start of the show. They didn't even try to retrieve his floating body.
Look up "Infinite Improbability Drive" and this episode makes sense.
I love how this episode just ignores the fact that Beverly Crusher's medical ship traveled at Warp 13 in TNG's "All Good Things" without devolving into an amphibian or whatever else. Brannon Braga wrote that episode, only to contradict his own canon later.
Different warp scales.
@@sharp14x yeah, cause amphibians don't have scales.
@@NateSean 🙄
TNG AGT takes place in an alternate version of future, so there is no contradiction at all.
Voyager Crew: "Let's go to Warp 10, which is theorised to be infinite speed."
Paris: *Goes Warp 10 and disappears out of sensor & communication range. Something to be expected from going infinite speed if you think about it for more than 2 minutes. If anything he should've lost contact immediately, and not after a few seconds.*
Voyager Crew: *Surprised Pikachu face*
I love how this episode is mentioned in Star Trek lower decks
And don't forget what Dr. McCoy said in Search for Spock
"Reach Warp 10 and it's time travel"
So yeah, something is "canon" in Star Trek until its really inconvenient for the writers.
Technically not incorrect, warp 10 is everywhere in space, space and time are fundamentally linked, so if desired this could allow time travel
And they never tried it again, even though they now knew exactly what they were dealing with, and how to reverse it. Also, you'd think there would be a few more steps between warp 9.999 repeating, and INFINITE velocity.
he's accelerating to infinite velocity, think about that
infinite acceleration with infinite force and infinite power consumption. ;-)
Splat
This episode could have worked slightly better if instead of modifying a shuttle Voyager had stumbled across some weird area of subspace that somehow allowed a ship to go beyond warp 10. It’s still kind of ridiculous and causes issues but it would at least explain why Starfleet had never done it.
Every Trek show has that episode everyone pretends doesn't exist. For the original it was Spock's Brain. For Voyager it was this one.
“Transwarp velocity in 5…4…3…2…1…”
“GOOD MORNING, CAPTAIN.”
Not to mention all the transwarp species they encountered in the delta quadrant
Now I get rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock.
"His shuttle isn't in scanning range after reaching infinite velocity? How is that possible?"
The episode is only flawed because they never use it again. The doctor found a cure, great. Use it on Voyager, blitz home, and then cure everyone when you get home. Then explore universe and repeat easy.
But that's always the case. Later, the crew finds a spaceship with advanced space-folding technology and installs it on one of their shuttlecraft. Never mentioned again.
At the end of the episode Tom should have said “Computer, end program” and he steps out of the holodeck. At least in my head canon this episode is just Tom fantasising about getting back to Earth by some implausible means.
They changed to a tangentle scale. As you approach warp 10 the faster you go, but you never actually reach 10. Eventually even an increase of .0000001 increase in warp is a huge jump in speed. so in alternate times/universes they just say warp 13 to convey increased speed, because were to dumb to know what they mean when they say, ahead warp factor 9.9999387281332. perhaps 13 is code, where 3 is the number of 9's after the dot. 13 is 9.999 14 is 9.9999
+Kooka Munga If I'm not mistaken, since Paris established that Warp 9.9 is 4 billion miles per second, equating to 21 473 times speed of light... the Warp scale also works along the lines that past 9.9, each incremental increase results in doubling of speed.
So, Warp 9.91 would be 42 946 times speed of light.
9.92 would be double that
9.93 double that again
And so on and so on.
This actually makes a lot more sense, and Voyager was usually not cruising at what was said to be their maximum sustainable cruise velocity of Warp 9.975 (which would get them back to Federation space in just under 7 days).
Now, the reason why Voyager never reached those speeds is because their initial pull to the Delta Quadrant severely damaged the ship, and probably the Warp engines.
This could actually explain their power issues in the early seasons and their inability to maintain Warp 9.975 for more than a few seconds - Chakotay ordered the ship to slow to Warp 9.5 to reduce stress on the hull... and we've seen that most ships in the Federation rarely travel at Warp 9.9 to begin with... they usually go 9.2 to 9.5.
@@deksman voyager faster speed is about 4,000 times the speed of light
Assintota...☺☺☺
I just realized with all the attention on warp and transporter technology, I have no explanation as to how communications work at ludicrous speed.
I've just noticed that for such a small ship, it has a mighty large bridge.
So if Starfleet ships can do around warp 9.95 and warp 10 is basically infinite, then what are borg conduits?
warp 9.9999923763232623?
Leon Kernan different propulsion system. sub space tunnels like wormholes through regular space/time! though wild theory not cannon but suggested in Dyson Sphere novel that sub space is artificial. hmmmnn??
+Leon Kernan
Yes, that is pretty much it. The scientists who made up the warp scale did not think speeds like that would be possible.
transwarp... its different
transwarp... only means, higher speed than with warp possible, slipstream is transwarp, wormholes are transwarp, transwarp-conduits are transwarp and i guess the borg could break the threshold without evolving like paris and janeway just by adapting the biological parts genetically or with the borg-nano-cells
Jan-Christopher Estelmann to add, the Federation had a ship with Transwarp in Star Trek 3, like a hundred years before this episode. I think “Transwarp” just means non-warp FTL propulsion that’s faster than current warp technology. They don’t use that transwarp anymore because warp drive got better.
Chekotay: Increase sensor gain to maximum
Harry to himself: smh Gosh! I didn't think of that!
Faster than light travel is impossible, but warp drive is not impossible because it does not involve inertia or acceleration.
Warp drive functions as variable induction field which uses energy to manipulate space infront of and behind the vessel. The ship does not actually move at all; it actually pulls and pushes the space around it.
This may sound implausible, but it is perfectly within the laws of physics. NASA has been working on it for a while. Google "NASA breakthrough propulsion."
NASA's Breakthough Propulsion Physics Program was ended over 20 years ago. Do you see any warp drives?
In a novel, the offspring were able to interbreed and eventually created a civilization - and were horrified to see a holo of Janeway and Paris as they looked as humans.
whats this novel called ?
@@damirzlatkic8134 I think it was Star Trek Timelines video game.
LOL yes. Definitely improbability Drive.
The episode we wish we could all forget.
Is this the one where he turns into some primatial fish. As his molecules are scrambled from going Warp 10? As that episode was strange as watching paint dry!
I wouldn't call watching paint dry particularly strange. But yeah.
Without knowing what happens after this, I'd say this was a decent episode.
We have achieved warp 10!
By the end of episode. Let us never speak of this again.
At 0:47 i always think b'elanna torres sounds like she going to cry, when she says clear for transwarp
I think it's more fun to remember that we have. Just pretend that aliens were able to somehow sneak LSD into the entire planet's water supply for the duration of the episode.
Anytime i see a scene with crewmate Michael Jonas, the only thing that comes to mind is the stormtroopers shout from the force awakens.
"Traitor!"
I thought that was Kylo Ren?
This episode was ridiculous, even for Star Trek.
The writers were probably thinking this about fans after the episode failed "the one thing they really couln`t stand was a smartass" ^.^
After crossing the entire universe at infinite speed, he is able to exit warp within the vicinity of where he started; that is some impressive navigation!
Also, I would expect the shuttlecraft to turn into fruit. #HHGTTG
Captain, the shuttle appears to have turned into a banana, and we are now inside a peanut butter sandwich
Maybe if the had the Infinite Improbability Drive
all of this episode, and back in next gen riker's 3 warp cell enterprise D from the alternate timeline went warp 13 no problem.. XD
darcraven01 trans warp means different things to different writers. scales re jigged STTOS to STNG.
Actually in the episode you're talking about they redefined the warp scale. Warp 13 there was equal to warp 9 here. I forget the reasoning but you can look it up if you don't believe me.
The reason is because in the old scale Warp 10 is impossible. You physically cannot reach Warp 10.
This meant, that as ships' maximum velocities came closer and closer to Warp 10, their speeds got more and more complicated. For instance, Voyager's maximum warp is 9.975. It's just too fiddly.
always got a kick out of the voyager warp ten episode like it was a first and ur in all places at one time. remember the episode on the original series the enterprise was at warp 14.1. plus common sense when they done time warp. obviously didnt fly around the sun and wiith the sling shot only hit warp 9.9.
The USS Excelsior NX-2000 Has transwarp 23rd century by 2286 also the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-D Also Did transwarp they went 2 million light-years in the galaxy known as M33
The Excelsior's transwarp drive was just an experiment. It was also not a transwarp drive in the Voth or Borg sense, but simply an improvement on existing technology. They wanted to break the Enterprise's land speed record, which was at Warp 14.1 at the time, which is Warp 9.8 on the TNG scale.
Warp 10 being at every simultaneous point in the Universe
Warp 10 = Infinite Improbability Drive.
could have loaded a bunch of ships, made them way w10 capable and had a transponder in them, launched maybe 6 10k lighters apart all the way to the alpha quadrant , so they could have established a link to the federation.
This episode should have been a dream Tom had before the warp 10 test. It could explain all the stupid stuff in it
The greatest minds in the universe couldn't figure out warp 10, but Tom Paris + a few others on a shitty little insignificant starship lost in the Delta quadrant? No problem ..
+43854586 No, they just found some magic rock that solved some of the technical problems. It's believableish.
What I can't stand is that they didn't just outfit a probe with it and send it to Earth. They also could've autopilot the shuttle full of the material and have Earth solve the lizard problems.
next time you should watch the show
That time when Tom Paris invented the Infinite Improbability Drive!
When I first watched this episode I was hoping for a Chuck Yeager-type of storyline. Actually using human (Kilingon etc) ingenuity like they did back in the 50s (and how they would later do the 60s 'space race' with the Delta Flyer's construction). The first act of this episode is fine. It falls apart after that.
Oh man, this episode was bad.
Didn't see a problem with it.
blockmasterscott The shut up Wesley tng episode was almost as bad. It was so obvious that lore had disguised himself as data.
Hakageryuu I’m not attempting to make this one sound better. I know this episode was the worst of all of the Star Trek modern franchise but I never see anyone complain about some of those early TNG episodes that were also very questionable.
Meanwhile...
NX-01 struggling to reach warp 5 while being chased by faster ships and being shoot
The Warp scale is logarithmic and maxes out at Warp 10. A ship cannot attain Warp 10 because it would require infinite energy. Much like crossing the light-speed barrier in normal space, it's impossible to cross the Warp 10 threshold. But sure, these two chuckle-heads in the Delta quadrant with an out-of-date shuttle craft accomplished what all of Starfleet's scientists back home couldn't...
So what happened to the directive in TNG which stated NOT to exceed warp 5 except in emergencies? You know, because it would cause space and subspace to merge?
+Prowly-b Pretty sure the Voyager crew doesn't give a shit, they just want to do everything in their power to get home as quick as they can.
AppetiteForPwnage Holy shit, Janeway really is a fascist.
+Prowly-b While it wasn't directly addressed, it is highly likely that Voyager's variable geometry nacelles allow the ship to travel at high warp speeds without damaging subspace.
Voyager was commissioned well after that TNG episode took place after all, and it is also likely that all other SF ships underwent similar modifications in the follow up months/years so their engines also wouldn't damage subspace.
+Prowly-b
The episode was fine as far as I'm concerned.
As for the analogy to global warming... climate change has a lot of evidence to back it up and use of fossil fuels in this day and age is just plain stupid (considering the amount of pollution and health problems [deaths included] they produce), especially since we could have been using Geothermal since 1911 for clean power production, then solar, wind, tidal and wave.
The ecological cost of burning fossil fuels is enormous. None of the companies care about it... if they did, they wouldn't be profitable.
The socio-economic system is utterly outdated and not fit for our level of science and technology - especially when it creates artificially induced scarcity, and damages the environment to such a degree where at this point, it is only a matter of time before it collapses (unless we act)... and I can assure you that if the Earth's natural bioshpere goes, we go along with it (because we depend on the Earth).
deksman There's so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to begin. The founder of the Weather Channel has gone on record, and numerous other scientists have gone on record stating that the earth is at the beginning of a warming cycle happening independent of human activity. The "science" of global warming is being used to push an extreme totalitarian anti-human viewpoint in order to destroy the economies of industrialized nations. It has nothing to do with sustainability. It has nothing to do with responsible environmental activism. No one seriously believes Carbon is harming the environment...why do you think Al Gore flies around on his private jet giving these speeches? You think he isn't getting paid to promote this crap?
Global Warming is a hoax! Do your research!
Everyone: Sensors
Tuvok: Sen-Soores
Warp 10 is regarded as infinite velocity! So theoretically any vessel traveling at warp 10 could exist at all points in the universe all at once! Nothing or nobody could ever hope or dream to go that fast!
Isn't there a TNG episode where the enterprise travels so fast in warp that it ends up in a new galaxy in minutes.
Errrrrr, technically yes but it was either Q or an alien, can't remember the exact episode but it somewhere In season one.
+vortex light It was an alien life-form referred to as "The Traveler" who propelled the ship over 2.7 million light years from the Milky Way, and then another Billion from that location.
Though I will say this, they had absolutely no F#$%ing clue what they were doing with the time-scale at that point, since LaForge claimed it would take 300 years to travel back to the Milky Way on the Enterprise D, which doesn't have a maximum Warp Speed anywhere close to Voyager's, who would have taken 70 years to travel 70,000 Light Years.
He had to return. It was in his Holywood employment contract.
this episode was written after the writer stayed back late on night and banged their boss and lived to regret it as one should. banging your boss is wrong on so many levels. just don't do it unless you're going to quit the next day and already have a new start at another job.
I just realised that this scene is using the set for the nacelle control room in TNG. Neat.
The borg created a channel of wormholes connecting the galaxy. that happened here was punching a hole in space and leaving space entirely. its unstable thus why the borg made wormhole network because this could send you anywhere.
my theory to have this make some sense.
bad day at the office with this episode
"Captain, it would appear that going warp 10 turns you into slug creatures that then proceed to bang and have 3 children in a swamp"
"Yes, let us never speak of this again"
"Agreed"
Comm officer: "Sorry, I just stepped on the flanger pedal again :( "
Everyone seems to dislike this episode. I actually really liked it.
Apparently, Warp 10 is akin to appearing in any part of the known universe instantaneously. I don't understand physics (or TV warp physics) but that doesn't sound right to me.
"We'll always have Paris" ( it's from an old film, kids)
Wait a minute. According to Star Trek canon, doesn't warp 10 on the latest factor scale represent infinite speed, in which an object (theoretically, but never in reality) occupy all points in space everywhere simultaneously?
The borg always traveled at transwarp velocity. In the TOS series, the Enterprise started out traveling at a cruise speed of warp 10, then it droped down to 6 by the time the movies came out
Donald Dalpian I'm not disputing that the Borg traveled at transwarp velocities, although it's inevitable that in its early history there would have been a time when they would not have had that capability. I'm disputing that something could travel an infinite velocity. In TOS warp 6 was maximum safe cruising speed and warp 8 maximum speed. I also found this: "In 24th century warp theory, warp factor 10 had been redesignated to correspond with infinite velocity. A vessel traveling at warp 10 occupied all points in the universe simultaneously. Warp 10 was also known as the transwarp threshold." memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor
TomYale
Ah I see. So in other words, the warp theory speeds of TOS was what it was in the series, then it was redesignated to warp 6 cruising speed in the movies.
Donald Dalpian Exactly. The people who took care of canon wanted to maintain consistency for all the Star Trek shows and movies. That consistency was necessary so writers could think up suspenseful stories, while also succeeding to suspend our disbelief in something that doesn't actually exist, but still plausible given our present level of science. As a vehicle for stories about socially relevant issues, this is one important thing that made Star Trek so successful. For as many episodes as I've seen, Voyager didn't stick to this canon very well.
Anyone remember the original series episode "That Which Survives"?
I agree, but for a different reason. Chances are if other species have attained transwarp capability, their civilizations have laws about where they can travel with it. So it's not that our planet is unappealing to them, it's that they are enlightened enough not to get involved with lesser advanced species. Sort of like the "prime directive".
Jesus he flanged right out of there!
If only this episode had better writing and was canon would it be so damned cool
How does an episode get excluded from cannon?
@@ElectricIguana uhhhd i don't really know, apparently it was according to like half of the trek community
So a single ship and its crew not only figured this out but did it on a shuttle no less
Meanwhile back home billions of scientists still haven't figured this out
1:30 when the acid kicks in.
The borg have a network of transwarp "tubes" which probably limits where they could go! like if a tube had an exit aperture in the alpha quadrant but that would still leave some distance to travel at conventional warp.
This reminded me of of some TNG season 7 where i thought the writers were on weed.
The ghost candle one or the one where the captain is turned into a kid?