HD DVD vs. Blu-ray
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2024
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Fun fact, the first DVD was Twister, the last HD-DVD was Twister. How poetic.
BUT WHY
Here I was confused thinking you were talking about a movie based on the game twister..
@@jaysonkang The ghostwriter of the movie is A genius and also created many formats.
He also designed the 3D technology for Avatar. Otherwise people would still be using red and blue glasses for 3D.
What A twist? er
Japan had 4 releases before Twister.
Poetic indeed.
Hd dvd in 2007: $35
Blu-ray In 2007: $59
Blu-ray In 2019: $19
Hd dvd in 2019 on eBay: $125
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Buzzy boy yea 😂😂
Every HD DVD I see on eBay is $5
Ace really?? Last I checked had dvd and laserdiscs were like insanely expensive
Ramsey Schaefer Where are you looking? There might be some rare movies better that much or people are trying to get that much. But that’s not the standard
Jonny Lake I just look up he dvd same with laserdisc they are up in value more
You forgot to mention that the ps3 was still far cheaper than any Blu-ray player on the market at the time.
I was 100% looking for this comment and you delivered. I remember making this argument at the time, as did many others. "Let's get a PS3 for the living room! It's half the cost of the only blu-ray player (samsung BD-P1000, $1000 bucks)" an easy sell to the family, by far.
@@ne0nex I remember when I first got my PS3 it would play blu rays in black and white cuz my TV at the time didn't support HD
Why would anyone buy a Blue Ray player instead?
Yup. And when I was growing up we got a PS2 because it had a DVD player. Back then both a DVD player and PS2 cost about $200. No reason to buy a DVD player then when you could get so much more for the same price. Oh did you forget it could play CDs, and PS1 games? It was a no contest decision.
@@a_literal_brick Well parents don't want to use a Console to watch Blu Rays or Dvds do they so that might have something to do with owning a blu ray player as well as the console
Anyone else remember how much Disney loved advertising for Blu Ray on their DVD's released from like 2006-2011?
All blu rays released pushed the medium
Yep, young me really wanted to switch to it after seeing Disney push it so much
It was an understandable "no" from mum though
Kind of funny that Disney now is killing physical media, as they are turning towards Disney+
I remember the advertising for DVD on VHS
All I remember is
“This Disney DVD is enhanced with Disney’s Fast Play”
That's why I own a PS3 it was the cheapest Blu Ray player in 2009
I bought my ps3 used and the version that would play ps2 games... so i could have the cheap blu ray player AND something to play ps2/3 games.... it was the best of all things together.
The PS3 was the absolute best Blu-Ray player for ages, It took the normal units a long time to surpass the PS3.
Same. I had an Xbox 360 too, but didn't feel like buying the add-on for the Xbox.
Matthew L'Herault pathetic
Same reason why i owned a PS2 in early 2000s.
It was the cheapest DVD player.
I remember calling HD DVD "Red Ray" when I was younger
You should have called it ultra violet ray since thats what colour the laser is. Same as the Blu Ray laser is actually ultra violet.
@@bubba842 if it's visible, it's not UV. 405 nm is visible, so it's not UV.
(Blu Ray is still a misnomer though)
@@nthgth sorry it's violet light not ultra violet. Yes anything below 400nm is not visible. 405 is visible.
Thats like the sith version of blue ray
I thought I was the only one 😂
It still blows my mind that Sony gets a cut of every blu Ray made regardless of studio.. They really struck gold there
Just good and smart business.
Not to mention videogames are on blu rays
Why? It's their development. Do you think this is odd for other companies that profit from their inventions being used by others, or is this gamer wars silliness?
"This HD DVD is enhanced with Disney's Fast Play. Your movie comes with a selection of bonus features..."
"Fast Play will begin in a moment."
Who else remembers the blu ray disney commercial
Goddamn, nostalgia
This brings back memories, could legit see tinker bell flying in as the DVD logo appears
Ah yes, the annoyance of Disney's "Fast" Play... If you didn't mash "main menu" at that screen, you'd be subjected to 20+ minutes of trailers and promos (which were usually super outdated even at the time).
Not scientific, but I was sure BluRay would win when my boss Greg said he was convinced HD DVD would win (he had also been convinced the Zune would beat the iPod).
Omg! I remember the Zune! 😂
The Zune was such a superior device, I loved mine - but, you can't beat marketing hype with just a good product
@@RyTrapp0 I've actually still got my 1st gen Zune that I use occasionally. and which stores ALL of my music collection through out my entire life. old and new. Love the hell out of it.
lol
Dude. Take Greg to Vegas with you and bet against EVERYTHING he bets on.
Why does Blu-ray still feel so new even though it came out when I was 7 and I used VHS tapes up until I was 13?
Part of it may be because it's not ubiquitous in the same way things like regular DVDs are. You actually have to buy a Blu-ray player, while almost every computer with a disk drive can play DVDs.
Argeniside 101 Because it comes in a blue box and the blue box looks smaller and more compact than the DVD boxes that are still being made to this day
Right!
fun fact, in 2014 bluray sold 17million, that same year dvd sold 125 million. vhs were great tho, i still have my scarface 2vhs collection.
I still use VHS tapes
Not to mention the PS3 was a cheaper alternative to a regular Bluray player as the PS3 was $600 (for the 60GB) and the Bluray player was $1K! I remember an older man saying he bought a PS3 and doesn't even play video games but that it was cheaper so it made more sense. 2006-2008 was a weird time for this kind of stuff, haha.
I was a full supporter of HD-DVD and had complete faith that they’d win the battle. Even got one of those HD-DVD Xbox 360 extenders. I might actually have it lying around still.
Yeah, it's over there next to your Zune.
@@lastguyminn2324 No, no, you're going too far. That's the Windows Phone, move to the right, right...
@@lastguyminn2324 LMAOOOO
Rip, sell it if you find. Probably can make some good money off it
I still have the xbox HD player and some movies. I wish Microsoft had at least offered drivers so you could play them through Windows.
Holy shit, didn't realize it's been 6 years since the ps4 came out.
JOSEPH WODARCZYK time flies
That's spooky
Wtf.
Because it's been so consistently fun. We've had a landmark title on the PS4 almost every six months with at least one major standout per year, even if a multiplatform game.
Yeah, man! This console generation is almost over. Our sense of time with regards to consoles was skewed by the PS3 and 360's longer-than-average lifespans.
I love how deceivingly mundane these subjects sound, but they turn out to be fascinating
That actually happens with everything if think about it 🤔
Or vice versa, something might look decisively fascinating, but turns out to be mundane. A.K.A clickbait
what i find interesting is that the ps3 actually ended up selling more units than the 360 after the consoles were obsolete
Rainy Nooo not true ruclips.net/video/uhjIl86yXsk/видео.html
@@xboxbetterthanplaystation9395 Uhh, yeah it is true.
Probably because the PS3 didn't suffer as many faults as the godawful Xbox 360 - and had a better controller and GUI design too.
@@PokeMaster22222 xbox has always bad the better controllers
@@Voldemorts.Nipple That's subjective, yes, but in my opinion that's wrong - Sony's always had the superior controllers.
Why? Because Sony's always gone with aligned analog sticks, instead of the awkward unaligned stick design Xbox has always had - and now Nintendo's changed to.
Y'see, I didn't grow up with Xbox - I grew up with the PlayStation 2 (and Nintendo DS Lite). My first controllers were DualShock 2s, followed by DualShock 3s years later, then the Wii U GamePad and Pro Controller, Wii Classic Controller, and Dualshock 4 (and now 8bitdo SF30 Pro and SN30 Pro+). What do all these controllers have in common? That's right - *aligned analog sticks* . So yeah, I find this style a lot more comfortable and natural.
Oh, and I wrote before that I grew up with the DS Lite - followed by the DSi, 3DS, and Wii U later on. Because of this familiarity, I've come to map lettered buttons (instead of Sony's shapes - triangle, circle, square, cross) with Nintendo's layout instead of Microsoft's. Ergo, when I use a controller, I expect (clockwise) XABY - *not* YBAX.
If the console wants me to press X, I instinctively press the upper button; if it wants me to press A, it's the rightmost button.
Xbox doesn't do this, so it's not as comfortable or natural as the Switch controllers, let alone the superior Wii U or 8bitdo controllers.
A waste? Man, I bought my HD-DVD player after they lost the war. I also bought an absolute ton of amazing movies on HD-DVD for like 2-5 dollars a piece. They are filled with great special features and menus because they were made in the middle of a format war. I honestly feel like the HD-DVD's were a bit higher quality than the Blu-Rays I bought around the same time.
I agree
There are still so many good cheap movies on hd-dvd
Just wanted to write the same comment, but will just support this one. Did exactly the same thing! But besides the cheap players and discs, which I was ordering from all over the world, including Russia and Australia, I bought that thousand dollar HD DVD player XA2 with a Reon-VX HQV chip for upscaling DVDs.
The extra content on HD DVDs was amazing. Well discs from Universal anyway. Blu Ray wasn't even close to HD DVD for value for money. And now unless you buy a special edition Blu Ray you get bigger all extra content. I can understand why Blu Ray sells so little compared to DVD. Sony destroyed their own chance to monopolize.
I think some HD-DVDs were better quality. I use to read the reviews for movies that came out on both formats. I think HD DVD quality was superior on earlier releases because they used a more efficient video codec compared to the Blu-ray MPEG-2 codec that was used on early blu-ray releases. Once Blu-ray moved to the MP4 codec, it got better. There were some early blu-ray movies that looked that same as their unconverted DVD counterpart.
It went from VHS->DVD->Blu-Ray->Netflix->Every studio has their own streaming service now.
RUclips
VHS->DVD->Blu-Ray-> computer
@Kai McCook physical products are just sold for memorabilia nowadays.. there will come a time when only collectors would buy CD's produced in limited edition
Quality went up..and up..and then down. But at least accessibility has increased?
@Kai McCook Seriously tho flacc beats mp3 any day
I think Sony went hard on Blu-ray simply as a revenge for Betamax.
I had a few ideas but man I think you are spot on. The Japanese love revenge and will wait as long as it takes to get it.
@@jukeofearl
Who doesn't?
they learned their lesson for sure, they made some big mistakes with the betamax that JVC didn't with the VHS. Betamax's biggest downfall was that Sony didn't license the technology so only Sony could make the players whereas JVC licensed the technology so there was variety in products. Betamax's video quality was better but it was too costly.
They needed it too what with their failed foray with the Mini-Disc (when MP3 was more popular). Oh and let's not forget their own memory sticks for their devices, lol. Sony has had a lot of blunders over the years.
@@edlomonaco2637 Not true. Sony did license beta to other companies. Both Sanyo and Toshiba made beta VCRs.
www.betamaxcollectors.com/toshibabetavcrmodelv-s36.html
www.betamaxcollectors.com/sanyobetahi-fimodel7200.html
I worked in a store that sold Toshiba Beta VCRs.
NEC also made beta VCRs
www.betainfoguide.net/NEC70eu.jpg
I am a technology nerd and often an early adopter. My brother and I were roommates in our early adult years and we were one of the first people in our circles who had an HDTV, albeit a 65-inch projection CRT before HDMI existed. We had each contributed to our home theater, so it became painful when we went our separate ways in the early 2000s. I got married in 2005 and as a wedding present, my brother bought me an HDTV (with HDMI now but 720p). Owning a higher quality screen, I craved higher quality content. When Blu-Ray and HD-DVD were announced, I researched both very closely. On the technical grounds, I immediately favored Blu-Ray due to higher storage capacity. I didn’t think the software differences were enough to give an edge to HD-DVD because the players could have firmware upgrades to rectify software differences. When it came to actually spending money, I realized that if I bought a PS3 and Blu-Ray lost the war, I still had a cool gaming system, whereas if I bought an HD-DVD player and that format lost, I’d quickly have a useless piece of equipment. I bought my PS3 when they first came out. Oddly, that first model was the best model made. Subsequent models DELETED hardware and capabilities.
projector tv's arent CRT's But HD crt's with and without HDMI do exist
The “V” in HD-DVD doesn’t stand for video. A DVD is a Digital Versatile Disc.
Someone had to say it.
Doesn't it depend on video vs data?
That's the term for the entire format, but for pre-recorded movies it does in fact stand for video.
@@daniellaufer6204 No a DVD is a digital versatile disc
@@daniellaufer6204 That's why DVD was known as DVD video discs. It would make alot of sense to call it a digital video disc video. The logo literally says DVD video.
It's versatile because it can be used for data or video, hence the meaning of versatility.
I felt Blu-Ray would win just because the name flowed better. Also the blue keep cases just looked more visually appealing than the harsh red to me.
Basically I felt it was a format war fought to solve an issue most people didn't feel they had. Then with the PS3 having the built in BD Player, it was an easy win on the format war.
Yeah. I bet the name “HD-DVD” caused A LOT of confusion for consumers.
@@MysteryMii Yeah, it's the whole Wii U thing all over again.
"Is it a new Wii or a new console?"
Kinkajou1015
even today the blue cases catch my eyes over the standard black ones. same with the green and blue colored Xbox and PS4 game cases. i think in general our eyes gravitate towards colors that arent basic like say black
@@mattfahringer148 We are quick to spot things that are different from the norm, and the norm was matte black cases for quite a while. Now if you get a Blu-Ray it's a glossy blue, and I think UHD 4K Blu-Ray is glossy black.
If HDDVD had stuck around I would have gotten used to the red case but I'm glad it lost.
@@Kinkajou1015 i still have a few red cases just for nostalgic purposes. like for me game Console color is a big deal to me to. like my Xbox 1 is the special edition Gears of War 4 red
The DVD logo will forever give me good memories from back when i used to watch movies with my family
Same. Also, I would comb through every bonus feature on every disc I owned. Whole afternoons were dedicated to one movie, and I don't regret it.
Satan has a family?
Damn.. Too bad you we're the first to fall out of all of them
What happened to your family?
Hassan Khan Satan only killed 10 people and god killed way more
11:42 " The real losers are the people who bought hd dvd"
Listening to this video while purchasing a HD DVD player and HD DVD movies on eBay for Nostalgia reasons
That’s ridiculous. (And relatable as hell. ) 😅👍🏼
I remember seeing a shelf of HDDVDs in Toys R us about Ten years ago....How times have changed...
That was a different world
I went to Toys R Us the other day and found a locked door and the lights off
@@ManicEightBall ☹️ Damn it, I still don't want to grow up!
@@davezanko9051 I understand
First time I've ever heard some say "20oh7" instead of 2007
i had to say it to myself to figure out what the hell he was saying LMAO
I used to hear that all the time
@@sneezu it means instead of saying 20-oh-7, the right pronunciation was 2007 (two thousand seven)
Not me...
@@princepeachfuzz 2000?
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Same here bruh
I love his voice when narrating
Same
zzzarkka lol exactly what I was thinking
I heard about HD-DVD from a nerd classmate at the highschool, he said that there was a format war between it and another format but he didn't remember the name (Blu-ray) soon Blu-ray started to be a thing and I thought that HD-DVD didn't get to be commercialized. I have never seen an HD-DVD personally and until I saw some of them in the Internet by chance some years ago, I thought they were never released at all.
i saw them shortly after the war was over on fleetmarkets here and there.
Blu-rays are pretty cheap and affordable these days; unlike in 2006 when they came out. We're talking that there's tons of movies on such format for 5 bucks in sites like eBay, which is great: given the fact that you actually own something, when you buy a disc. The one thing I hate the most about streaming platforms is that you're at the expense of an internet connection and having to pay only to have access, not to own anything. Besides, movies are sometimes removed, while nobody can erase your discs.
Blu-Ray: Did you do it?
PS3: Yes
Blu-Ray: What did it cost?
PS3: Millions in sales
If anything Blu-Ray actually propped up PS3 sales.
lmaoo good onee
@@riteousrighthand6144 it hurt at first ... then it helped prop it up ... ps3 actually came out on top over the 360 by the end of their lifecycles
@@limitslines9896 perhaps, it was still the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market at launch.
Yet it is the 7th best selling console of all time and not a single Xbox system is ahead of it in sales.
Biggest thing that hurt HD-DVD was Microsoft not having HD-DVD built in from the start.
Microsoft always finds a way to fuck up its products :(
Both Sony and Toshiba lost IMO. Blu-Ray, even the supposed winner, isn't the primary media format for HD movies. The migration to streaming services beat them both. Blu-Ray will never be as big as DVD was.
4k Is the new now..
@@evilbred974 It was the primary format for HD movies for a while, but not as long as Sony expected. HD-DVD nearly killed Toshiba, though.
@@evilbred974 Heck, Blu-Ray didn't even beat DVD. DVD's are still being sold.
When Sony stuck a Blu ray drive in their Playstation, it was game over for HD DVD. Always liked the brown Amaray cases though, looked classy.
I truly believe that if the X box 360 came with an HD DVD drive we would all be using HD DVDs to this day.
@@bubba842 probably
@@bubba842 The thing is though that Microsoft wouldn't have done that in a million years. Their goal was always to launch first and build up a library as cheaply as possible. The only reason the 360 Core SKU even existed was so they could advertise the console at $300, compared to the PS3's ludicrous $500 starting price. What's also strange is that the HD DVD add on wasn't released until November of 2006... Microsoft needed to launch the HD DVD player with the console to gain any foothold with it, but no one bought it after the fact.
@@jktwice8235 it wasn't in their plan to. As you said they needed the 360 to be cheap to Compete with the PS3. They addbon was released a little late because of the price of the tech at the time. A statement was more of a what if, it was very unlikely to happen due to the price.
I don't like the cases of HD DVD. It's the very reason why I like Blu-ray more. Blu-ray covers look like game CD covers. HD DVD covers look like chocolate boxes with a film's poster on it.
What's even more interesting, is that the HD-DVD used to be the technically superior format, at least in the beginning.
HD-DVDs used the more efficient and qualitatively better VC-1 codec from the beginning, while the first Blu-Rays still used MPEG2.
HD-DVD players had full interactive features from the start, while Blu-Ray players had to go through a lot of profile updates until they catched up to what Toshibas machines where able to do, not to mention that some of the first machine couldn't even been updated to the latest profile. That's for example why it took MATRIX so long to be released on Blu-Ray.
Ultimately the Blu-Ray had only one advantage from the start and that was its higher capacity. While a single layer BD could hold up to 25GB (not 20 as wrongly mentioned in the video) and therefore 50GB as double layer, the HD-DVD was only able to hold up 15GB per layer and therefore 30GB as double layer. But before all went downhill for the HD-DVD, a three layer standard was finalized, using 17GB per layer resulting in a 51GB version, beating the maximum BD capacity at that time (if only by 1GB). Of course when 3D startet to become a thing, the BD got a also a three layer version with 100GB, but that was far later.
So if the XBOX360 would have launched with a built in HD-DVD player (not only wasn't the add on an elegant solution, it also was a movie player only. Games on HD-DVD where never supported) it could have maybe changed something. But in retrospect I'm glad that this format war didn't last any longer. Wars like this only hurt sales and therefore thank god that we didn't get another one of these with the UHD-BD.
HD-DVD has too many D's... nobody likes to say it. Blu-ray has a better ring.
Also Japanese companies fighting each other for world domination.. thats like an anime
most people would cut the name down to just HD
Could've been HDVD
King Dedede:
**Stares Motherfuckerly**
But Blu... not blue... arghhhh my ocd...
You obviously dont like the D. Me, i can never get too many D's. Ohh, wait, i mean uhhhhh not like that
"Intense competition like this could actually be harmful"
[Looks nervously at Netflix/Disney+/HBO Max]
Never heard of HBO Max, but Amazon Prime should be up there too. Like I know Disney bought almost every other studio that exists, but that also means paying that many companies and having like half the entertainment industry employed by a single company. It's dangerous, do you have any idea how many people needs to stay subscribed to Disney Plus for it to make financial sense? At this point, Disney could collapse like a black hole, and take out the entertainment industry as a whole. I'd estimate they need 200 million subscribed at $15 a month to be profitable. And that is assuming that people still keep buying Blu-ray and DVD like normal.
I saw that Hulu is owned by Disney for 67% & Comcast for 33%.
Backstage Bum
Then again, HBO Max has Studio Ghibli films, so it’s still a win for most people (like, seriously, who the hell watches Gone with the Wind unless you’re a film student, enthusiast, or a Confederate sympathizer?)
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@Backstage Bum well, they got Justice League Snyder Cut
For Streaming Services You Have To Power On The TV And Wait for Thr Loading But Physical Discs Just Turn On The Player And Watch No Clicking
6:10 "Twenty-o-six"... you're an absolute monster. ☠
Well it's better than saying "Two thousand twenty".
I hear "Two thousand twenty" all the time.
@@charlieinfinite9434 Yeah well "Twenty Twenty" is the standard and "Two thousand twenty" sounds weird but I do hear it a lot sometimes
@@mattyian1208 I've been hearing it being called "oh, six" or "oh, 17"
@@charlieinfinite9434 I hear that all the time. We're not in the 2000's anymore and yet people saying like that anyway.
The PS3 wasn't so expensive because of the Blu--ray player. Though it did have its impact, it was mostly due to having a full on PS2 inside every PS3 for backwards compatibility on the earliest units that made the PS3 so expensive. The price dropped significantly when they decided to remove the PS2 hardware from PS3s and rather use software emulation for backwards compatibility
Majority was the blu-ray and the two chips. The full PS2 chip was nothing in comparison to the rest of the system. They only removed it to drop the price to remain competitive with the 360. You cant remove the blu-ray or the cell/rsx to save money because then it wouldnt be a ps3. The ps2 hardware probably cost $20 for the silicon if that, they also removed the card reader and 2 usb ports. It was overall part of the cost cutting measure, but the blu-ray drive was still a far larger chunk of the cost to manufacture. I think the cell processor alone was over $200 and the original blu-ray drive was estimated to be $300+. They still lost money on every $400 non-BC ps3 because of the blu-ray and the cell, it just hurt sony less and made it more price competitive at the cost of all the features many people didn't use. The PS2 SoC wasn't $200 worth of hardware, they were selling ps2 slims for less than that when the ps3 launched, and they were making a profit on those.
Once you find all six, you've won
Sounds..... familiar
The Chaos Emeralds from sonic 1?
*Thanos snaps his fingers*
@@davidcopeland5450 I think he's missing one...
I think everybody knows the reference.
Kind of loses its luster when that happens.
Not to me, I'm always trying to find all 7 Dragonballs
I'm still holding out for Betamax to have a renaissance.
ahh
betamax, the hipsters of the video cassette world
@Twenty Vue but Betamax is so fetch 💅
Betamax lived on in recording studios, as did the Minidisc. I miss the Minidisc, such a great format IMO.
Luke Rinderknecht 😂
The physical format of the Betamax tape lived on to become BetaCam. As crazy as it sounds we still use it today to send commercials to tv stations around the world.
I don't know why they don't just discontinue stand alone DVD releases. The blu-rays pretty much all come as DVD & blu-ray combo packs. This would pull people into the HD era
or stop movie purchases altogether...
@@SupremeNerd?
Dvd fills in a hole for especially budget-minded customers.
I guess it's because DVD was cheaper, making it popular
@Bob so I'm assuming that your message wasn't for me. I'm actually NOT into the whole streaming thing as I too would rather have the movie or Album in my collection and not have to worry about Raising my data plan to watch it listen to them
Bought a used HD-DVD player and 100+ movies used a few years ago to expand my movie collection. They look and sound great.
Everyone at four in the morning: sleeping
Me: HD DVD VS Blu Ray
It's actually 04:48 for me. I was curious about the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray and accidentally endeded up on HD DVD vs Blu-Ray. Fascinating nonetheless :)
It's literally exactly 05:00 for me right now
+1
For me 03:33
02:48 with me😬
DVD almost had a format war. But they all agreed on one standard. The SD card logo was supposed to be for a different disc format, but once Toshiba agreed on DVD, they didn't want to scrap it.
Also the PS2 did the same thing with DVD.
billy never forgets
Also PSX PS1 was cheapest CD player
Technology Connection? ;)
you can't call the PS1 the PSX since the PSX is the name of a PS2 console in Japan that also combined a set-top box for watching TV.
@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials PSX DVR is flop, PSX is community name first gen PS. When PS started look on ROMs site.
5:42 I thought that Colombia only made a good coffee, but now I get that it also produce films. Wow!
Boooo
Lame joke 🙄
Missing some important information in your video including the facts that: HD DVD was cheaper to produce since it used the same manufacturing tools as current DVDs at the time compared to Blu-Ray which required new manufacturing tools since the reading layer is so close to the surface which also explains why it can hold more data and had scratch resistant surface that was first introduced on DVD-RAM for archival purposes. Another important fact is that Blu-Rays were capable of holding 50GB since they had dual layer support.
That was an important distinction. The perk is that the thin hardened layer on the Blu-ray is actually more scratch resistant than the thick layer on the DVD and HDDVD. Blu-rays really can take a good beating and still work without issues.
The only mistake Toshiba made was to not be able to strike a deal with Microsoft to have an HDDVD player installed within the Xbox 360 and instead just made a cheap addon.
Agreed 100%.
Microsoft was too cheap.For instance, they could have solved the red ring system by using decent epoxy but didnt
yeah true noone likes addons
Our Xbox 360 drive broke, and it turns out there are certain design issues that will only allow a specific drive to work in the Xbox system. I don't remember all of the details, but when the proverbial turkey timer popped on HD, naturally both the media and the piggy back drives were fire-sale cheap, so we bought a few movies and the piggy back HD drive, which allows regular DVD's to play. Although I assume games might have been an issue (by coincidence I did not have any games I liked at that point) we got a cheap band aid for our broken CD/DVD drive and picked up a couple movies we love archived in HD format.
Cheap? Yeah not at the time
Speaking of DVDS I can't find my 'Gone in 60 seconds' dvd.
It was here a minute ago
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
oh god...
Half ass joke
And the best dad joke award goes to.....😂
God damnit take my like
Congrats my friend. I love this channel. It's my weekend getaway.
Big HD DVD fan here. I still collect these. Thrift stores are a great source for finding these for under $2. Own two HD DVD Xbox 360 add-ons and a Toshiba HD DVD Player. It's a fun side hobby.
It's the experience any different from Blu Ray, or is it essentially the same exact thing just with their own players?
@@nthgth The Universal releases on HD DVD and Blu-ray look exactly the same. Same menus and all, some of the other studio releases are similar, some differ. Overall, it's pretty much the same thing.
I only watch 4k movies via floppy disks.
Could you even fit a single frame on a floppy? heh
Quroa says that 4k video at 30 fps takes up 375 MB per minute. Ignoring any more compression or sound files, that averages out to 0.208 MB per frame. So you'd have to swap out a new floppy every 6.92 frames (We'll round down to 6 since that's makes my math easier.), or 5 times every second. For a 3 hour movie like Endgame, that's 54,300 floppies.
@@mrjotz r/wooosh
@@josephwodarczyk977 r/theydidthemath
Call me a sellout, but I find the Iomega Zip 100MB discs provide a warmer and deeper color tone to my 4k files.
Thanks for an amazing 2 years everyone. Please don't be too hard on this video, I was very new at all this at the time. There's a few incorrect details: I switched the North American and Japanese PS4 release dates, I spelled Columbia the wrong way, I guess I say memory when I mean storage, and the V in DVD stands for versatile, not video. There may be some other little things but the story's accurate and I hope everyone enjoys it. Also here's a link to the new website: companymanideas.com
It was a great video! Everyone has to start somewhere and seeing as you've been here for two years I think you've done pretty well!
Company Man thank you for 2 years of informative and educational videos on companies/products. Seriously, without you, I had no idea how large some companies were and/or how they failed. Thank you again!
You sould do a n64 vs ps1 video
Hello, I like companymanideas
There was barely a noticeable difference for this video. The only thing I didn't like in this one was the background music which just doesn't fit with the style of of your of your channel. It just felt off in my opinion. I'm excited to see how this channel will evolve and as long as you keep doing what you're doing now I'll be back every Wednesday.
I made the switch from DVD to Bluray, I rarely ever buy DVDs anymore unless it's the only option available for a particular title. Still, I know plenty of people that buy DVDs all the time because for them it's cheaper and "good enough" in their eyes.
I use VHS and HD VHS
Just got BASEketball on plain old DVD, it looks fine on a 55" HDTV playing from an Xbox One
I’d love to hear about 2010s physical media like the 4k or archival discs! They kinda fell into obscurity when streaming services really took over and if you want a physical copy nowadays, people still just buy DVDs or blu rays
I remember when Blockbuster was liquidating their HD-DVD inventory when they made the full switch. $1 each.
Worth less now 😅
Nice!I didn't get into Blu ray until Xbox 360 had been out for awhile.I purchased the HD dvd player on 360 first and was impressed how clean and sharp the movies looked!
11:09 "We all may be watching HD DVDs right now"
Alternate universe me: *Closes Netflix package with the New Episode of Company Man on HD Dvd*
Two things: there's more to these standards than just the capacity - like compression algorythms, and DVD stands for Digital Versatile Disc, not video.
I find the episode overly superficial in general. For example, DVD has a capacity of 4.7GB (4.38GiB) for single-layer discs. Dual-layer discs have 8.5GB (7.95GiB). Similarly, HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays have a capacity of 15GB and 25GB respectively per layer, not necessarily per disc.
Also, the video does not mention BD+, which was sold to studios as Unbreakable Copy-Protection™. This was at a time studios still had piracy high on their agenda, and release groups had just discovered that you could put a 1080p movie in a DVD (usually a dual-layer one) at lower bitrates using a format called AVCHD or even Bluray's own BD9 format (and HD-DVD's lesser-known 3XDVD) and have it play on regular Blu-ray players and HD-DVD players. No support for special formats (such as MKV) needed! This set of a panic among the studios, with the studios flocking to Blu-Ray to take advantage of what was marketed to them Unbreakable Copy-Protection™. In reality, it wasn't unbreakable, just updateable, with Blu-Ray player manufacturers being slower at releasing firmware updates than the ripping tools were at cracking each new iteration, after the first iteration of the copy-protection was cracked anyway. But the war was over by then.
Man I live this guy channel man!!! His always peaking my Curiosity and interests
The term 20-06 makes me uncomfortable.
It'll become more normal as years go on and people like us that were alive at the time either get used to it or get old and die off.
Lmao 😂
Don't forget 20-08
I wanna be like grandpa simpson and say "ought six" personally.
I'll still call it "two-thousand-six" and "oh-six" even if it dates me. Get off of my lawn!
My first Blu-Ray player was the PS3 Slim back in 2009, ten years later and it still works perfectly.
Do you play games on it
I have the slim as well with hundreds of movies installed on it. Hope ps5 has those multimedia functions because ps4 surely does not.
My Blu-ray player is a PS3 Slim! Sure it's my brother's but sure.
The ps3 slim came out in 2011
PS3 Slim was released in 2009, Super slim in 2012. Get your facts straight.
You making me mad and tired cuz your vids are so interesting and I can’t stop watching them it’s almost 5am and I should have been asleep since 12 keep making them cuz I’m prolly not gonna sleep
HD DVD encryptionkeys were leaked onto the internet which also added to the systems problems.
I worked at Best Buy in the Home Theater department when the war went on. I remember when they finally announced that Toshiba would no longer sell HD DVD Players, they went from hundreds of dollars down to 50 or 40 dollars or so. Owning one wasnt a complete loss back then since they also upconverted regular dvds (as in stretched them out to make it look HD and then tried to fill in the gaps).
To this day I still don't understand why the Sony Owned PS4 Pro does not have 4K BluRay playback.
That's a terrible business decision. The PS4 Pro wouldn't sell as well if it was twice as expensive just for the 4K BluRay player
@@PDANYreal Twice as expensive? The Xbox One S has a 4k BluRay player and sells for less than $250
Kendall Brice the Xbox one s and X has the cheapest and worst 4K Drive possible to keep the price down. I own the X but the 4K Drive is pathetic.
It is to get you to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on a 4k player....
But the PS3 was also cheaper than it ought to be, since it was pushing the Blu-ray format. It's the Gillette principle. Gillette sells razors at a loss, because no one needs more than one razor anyway. It's the blades that really make the money. It's the same thing here. You buy one player, but a lot of movies, so it would make sense for Sony to add support for 4K to the PS4 in order to support their own 4K Blu-ray format.
I'm really wondering if the 4K format will last, or go the way of 3D Blu-ray.
I prefer physical media. I own the medium, they can’t come back and add Jabba the hut latter and they can’t make it disappear.
Physical discs feel more valuable and make me feel nostalgic from going on vacation with the portable video players or the family getting together to choose a disk to watch.
you've stayed informative thanks brother
There is a universe out there where we're renting Corporation Guy (Company Man's AU counterpart) HD DVDs from Blockbuster in 2019 after getting an HD DVD player from Kmart.
in that universe... jeff bezos is making videos on youtube, about Company Man.. and selling his online merch on Company Man's website
*i support company man any universe we exist
Lol
@LedosKell.... BEST COMMENT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in that universe, Kids WB, Fox Kids, and Saturday Morning Cartoons/Good Animated blocks still exist, and Saban bought out Funimation in 2002.
@@BrianAwesome wished
You should do the rise and fall of Myspace.
WeGon Holla please do this
RUclips, Netflix, Spotify killed Cds
WeGon Holla that would be amazing
Yeeeeesssss
What about this video:
*What Killed MySpace?*
ruclips.net/video/Xs5bOyNTPLw/видео.html
I can remember when Disney was nervous about entering the home video market because they really did not want to publish their classic animated and live-action films on a home video format. When they finally caved, Disney supported both Beta Max and VHS. But they really did not want to support VHS due to it being the main format for adult films. With that said Disney had no choice to go with VHS when Beta bit the dust.
There are adult movies on Beta
You see, HD-DVD was superior because I was able to get an external disc drive for my driveless laptop at the time and king kong for $5 on clearance.
CompanyMan: Bigger than you know. (like, 6'8)
MILES BRONSON I laughed too hard at this
11 inches...
Somethin else of his is also probably bigger than any of us know....and I’m not talking about his brain, which I’m sure we already know is uge
I'm sorry, I have to do this.
Company Mans dick is so big,
In the middle of summer the tip still has snow on it...
His dick is so big, it was once overthrown in a military coup.
It's now known as the democratic republic of dick
I bought my HD-DVD player add-on from Best Buy on Valentine's day 2008... They eventually bought them back for $50 gift cards to avoid complains and possible class action lawsuits based on their marketing.
Yeah. I remember that. Target too jumped on the band wagon giving customers a refund for their HD DVD players.
Me: **looks at my Toshiba tv** yeah, you make those :)
Still got a Toshiba LCD from 2006 and it works just as great as ever. Underrated tech brand imo.
The packaging for HD DVDs still looks so cool to me. I wish blu ray players could play both, just so I could have a few in my collection.
100% agree, that would be really cool and the red cases do look really cool alongside the blue Blu Ray ones. Variety is nice.
The internet at the time implied that HD DVD was gonna take off, so I bought the $129 player for my X360....which became a paperweight within 6 months. At least I can still watch King Kong and Constantine on HD DVD if I want to,
I wonder if the outcome would've changed if the 360 had an integrated HD DVD player rather than an addon
I think that may have also increased its base price (not to ps3 lvl but still a bit) which would've made it a less compelling option for new consumers or ps fans...
@@akashP998 at the same time tho even with a higher base price if its still cheaper than the PS3 it may have been a more desirable option for many. Lets also remember the PS3 didn't have any interesting games at launch and third party titles were inferior compared to 360. Plus the 360 wasn't so reliant on a large hard drive while the PS3 required an install on most games
Sony was still a monster in the movie and sound business at that time, so it wouldn't of had that major of an effect on the format change. The additional storage of a standard, single layer Blu-ray still beat out the HD-DVD, and would continue to do so for a few years.
Given the extremely high failure rate on the first model XB360 it would most likely have made the situation even worse for the HDDVD side.
Of course, with such a drive that unit would of course also have to be much more expensive, at lest closer to PS3 price or loss. The higher cost of the drive itself, and also no super speed spun-up ordinary DVD because of that, means no base model without HDD anymore, adding even more cost. So maybe the system would have been more reliable as a more premium product, but that is really stretching the ifs and whataboutisms.
@@Stoppskylten in retrospect I actually feel like if they did include the drive the console mightve launched later (close to the PS3 and Wii in November 2006). Granted this is again going into major what ifs. While bad for the HD DVD format I feel MS made the right choice sticking to duel layer DVDs. The PS3 really overshot the need to Blu Rays until way into the gen and it really hurt the console and Sony
I remember first hearing about HD DVDs when they announced the Xbox 360. Now my brother and I were set on getting a PS3 (the bigger one that cost $599) and I didn't even consider playing Blue-Ray discs on it until my "local" (at the time the closest one to the house was in the next town) grocery store got a Redbox. Now with streaming I pretty much haven't thought about DVDs and Blue-Rays in a long time.
This is actually a great story. Felt like I was watching a battle or something!
I still have the HD DVD player for the 360 sitting on a shelf collecting dust. I picked the wrong side
Yes you did son, it's ok we all make mistakes
You were the chosen one!!
that remote is the shit.
i don't see it that way, i have both. sure they don't release any more hd-dvd movies, but what is out there is pretty good. it's nice as a collectors item.
accordgolfer It’s still on my shelf as well collecting dust while connected to my 4K OLED 😂
DVD = Digital Versatile Disc
Not Digital Video Disc. Even though its unmistakably recognized either way.
"The Oxford English Dictionary
comments that, "In 1995 rival manufacturers of the product initially
named digital video disc agreed that, in order to emphasize the
flexibility of the format for multimedia applications, the preferred
abbreviation DVD would be understood to denote digital versatile disc."
The OED also states that in 1995, "The companies said the official name
of the format will simply be DVD. Toshiba had been using the name
‘digital video disc’, but that was switched to ‘digital versatile disc’
after computer companies complained that it left out their
applications."
And Blu Rays laser is not blue it’s ultra violet more like a purplish colour. Plus’s DVDs hold 8gb of data and Blu Ray holds 50 gb yes there are single layers but all store bought Blu Rays and DVDs are all mostly double layers. Plus some the other reasons Blu Ray won.
Better picture and sound quality
Protective layer that resists scratches
Blu Ray players could still play DVDs as well
There was one in every PS3
Digital Versatile Disc was Sonys version of DVD.
@@ryans413 It is not Ultraviolet, because then it would be invisible to our eyes (so no colour at all, rather than purple-ish).
The reason it is named "Blu-Ray" is that the higher frequency (lower wavelength) part of the spectrum is generally called "the blue end of the spectrum".
Thanks, Technology Connections
I never bought a blue ray disc in my life. When DVD was getting phased out, downloading and streaming movies were on the rise.
As a young techie guy in my early 20s I totally believed that HD DVD was the better format, so I was about a dozen movies in, and was using a Toshiba HD DVD player, but then started seeing the downfall and sold all of it on eBay before it was completely too late. My favorite memory of HD DVD is when the encryption key leaked onto the very popular site Digg, which was basically Reddit before Reddit. It was fun times. 😅
Interesting how Toshiba and Sony were fighting for formats even though Toshiba made the CPU for the ps3
Interesting that you brought this up as its somewhat common when large companies actually have separate divisions that act somewhat independent. A good example of this is Samsung making not only their own smart phones but also making the ram chips for most of the smartphones that are direct competitors. Also how LG makes both their own OLED TVs and also make the TV panel for Sony OLEDs due to the division of LG that actually sells the TVs and the one developing the tech are independent of each other.
Kind of like how Apple and Samsung are bitter rivals in phones but Samsung fabs a lot of chips and screens, For Apple.
@@filanfyretracker if I remember correctly Sony makes the cameras for most smartphones
IBM maybe?
@@tuff_lover Yeah, i believe the cell cpu was a joint venture. IBM was def involved with the cell cpu and the 360s power pc cpu
Blue ray just sounds cool...
Modern and sci fi like...
Rolls off the tongue smoothly....
HD DVD sounds like a model of a refrigerator.
grandinosour 😂🤣🤣
agreed
HD DVD is too long, Blu Ray ( at the time) sounded prestigious, new and futuristic .
It's called blue ray as it sparks out blue rays from inside the DVD player when playing a DVD
Blue disc inside blue casing look way better than red HD DVD.
I've never even heard of an HD DVD until this video
Look up HD VHS.
I never noticed that HD DVD and DVD were different things. Wow. Both of them have been right under my nose for so many years.
Now theres only 5 major studios ever since 20th century fox was bought by the House of Disney.
There's still 6. Company man failed to mention MGM
then its not REALLY around.
The information was still accurate at the time of the format wars. The current state of things doesn't matter.
@@Astro-Rabby except it is still really around. It's a company >;]
Except its now taking orders from disney, it is not its own entity anymore. A 20th century fox production is now a disney production by nature of hierarchy and ownership. To me, anyway, it can't be a major studio if its owned by another major studio.
Many people will tell you-
Their first CD player was the PS1
Their first DVD player was the PS2
Their first blu-ray player was the PS3
If your first cd player was a ps1 you were a really late adopter. CDs were a thing in the 80s
Sony’s ps1 was Sony’s first console with a CD player
Sony’s ps2 was their first console with a DVD player
Sony’s ps3 was their first console with a blu-ray player
Sony’s PS4 was their first console with a 4K UHD player... oh wait, they fucked up on that one...
No many people will not tell you that lol. Everyone had a cd player before ps1 a dvd player way before ps2 and a bluray player before a ps3
They didn't put in a 4K player in the ps4 or ps4 pro. Kinda dissapointing
ps4 was their first console that was stupid AF cause it loads even disc games
PS5 is their first console that sony isn't try to sell you a media format with
IMO HD-DVD was far Superior than the first BLU-RAY’S. I bought the first Toshiba HD-DVD player, the one that cost $500. It was slow but it did the job... Sadly, now in 2021 all physical Media is dying, everything is going to Streaming services which is a shame cause I prefer physical media to Streaming services
I worked at blockbuster that did infact have both bluray and HD DVD. Even back then customers were cussing at each other on who was watching cleaner footage. Even back then I said the same thing, the ps3 straight came with a bluray player and the ps3 was cheaper then any bluray player on the market.
My pops bought the loser of both format wars both times. Betamax back in the early 80s, and HD-DVD more recently. 🤣
why didn't he invest in D-Theater vhs HD video in 2002, he would have added a 3rd?
you do realize hd-dvd has the same quality as bluray, both do 1080p.
@@demonpride1975 Yes, though Blu-ray has double the gigs, meaning fewer discs. HD-DVD was even the first to implement online features.
@@KeybladeMasterAndy not double, blu ray can do 10 gigs more. as single layer hd-dvd is 15 and blu ray is 25.
Gotti
Sony was NOT going to loose this one after the huge VHS/Batemax loss they went through.
and minidisc
@@victimology7761minidisc only failed in the states, in the UK and other parts of Europe, it did quite well
@@victimology7761 minidisc didnt die to another format, it died from sonys own dumbassary with drm and proprietary shit.
You are cool commentator. Believe me friend. The value of this video is just immeasurable.
Being a 2004 child, I'm honestly really disappointed that I didn't get to walk into a Blockbuster and see this torn landscape, getting to choose a fighter in this real-life brawl. Hell, I'm disappointed that I never got to walk into a Blockbuster. If, somehow, somebody invents time travel, I'd use it to travel back to different times in history to visit events like these. I wanna see the struggle of VHS vs Beta, and I wanna see the heavily discounted CEDs sitting on shelves after RCA was sold to GE. It's all just so fascinating to me, and I really do feel bad about missing out on these things.
No region encoding was HDDVD's greatest asset. Probably also why some studios had a problem with it.
Nope , 1000s of studios used both , shit tons in porn industry , blu ray was superior format with far far better hatdware options
@@DarkepyonX but hd-dvd was cheaper, thats why the dvd is still life today
So, if U remember guys the HDDVD used bonus online, I never seen any BD with this kind of things, I steel buy HDDVD cause for me, it was the best from them, I really regret this cause now Sony has kill himself is video disc and the streaming wins format (like if this quality is not equal at all!) sorry for my english, I am french. Have a nice day ! All@n
@@DarkepyonX Superior format? It was too big for FHD and it is to short for UHD.. BD started as a very fragile disc with a poor slow interface... hardware decoding with HD DVD and interaction with the viewer were second to none in 2007
I prefer watching movies on Blu-ray over streaming media because there’s no compression, leading to a much more immersive movie
Every movie you’ve ever watched at home is compressed. It’s just a matter of how much it’s compressed. An uncompressed 2 hour movie would have a size of around 1 TB if not more.
Not only is the image itself compressed but the color is compressed (YCbCr 4:2:0). This means that Y (the black and white image) is at full 1080 lines resolution while the color is at 1/4 the resolution or 540 lines.
Even the DCPs (digital cinema prints) you watch in the theater are compressed but they’re compressed differently and have a much higher quality than Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray. Blu-rays and home media are video. DCPs are actually individual JPEG2000 pictures. 24 of these JPEG2000 pictures every second instead of a continuous video stream.
What is truly better on Blu-ray is the audio. While again it’s still compressed, it’s lossless compression (Dolby TrueHD, DTS HDMA) instead of lossy (DD 5.1, DTS). So when your receiver decodes these tracks the sound is identical to the 24-bit/48 KHz uncompressed LPCM master. Of course how much of a difference you can tell depends on the quality of your speakers and your ears.
With internal TV speakers most people will not hear a difference. With a solid AVR and 5.1 setup most people should be able to hear more clarity, punch and dynamic range.
@@BrianBeckman yeah, but there's "almost the same quality as source" compression and "looks like 480p" compression.
@@lecorsaire2283 most WILL not see or hear a difference
@@BrianBeckman Yes, but less so than streaming. Blu Ray and UHD still provide the best quality.
@Nerdism . . . a benefit with having a physical copy of a Blu-ray disc is that there are no assurances the video title will remain available on streaming services. I've heard of several popular movie titles from the 1980s and '90s that have been discontinued on streaming.
Warner Brothers actually did all the consumers a solid by offering to exchange HDDVDs for new Blurays via a trade in program. All you had to do was mail in the cover of the HDDVD and they'd send you a WB Bluray replacement. It was a great gesture imho.
Awesome video, it's like a sip of nostalgia
VHS/Beta was 40 years ago?!? Oh noes, I'm so ooooooold....
My grandmother actually owned a Betamax and the quality of the video was damn good compared to VHS..
@@TheBrainSquared I think you're remembering it wrong. The difference between VHS and Beta was so small you'd need equipment to measure the difference. Unless your talking real early on and the Beta I speed but that was gone by 1979 and no Beta machine used that speed afterwards to record.
@D B 4 heads had nothing to do with picture quality during playback. The were for clear fast forward viewing, pause and slow-mo. Yes there was a quality war going on but VHS quickly matched any Beta improvements and for less money. VHS was simply the superior format in every way that mattered to consumers of the time period. Beta 1 may have looked slightly better but it was useless in the real world.(to short of a recording time)
@D B VHS would have retaken the market in 2002 if the public knew what D-Theater was.
I like that Naruto style flashback to something that happened 2 minutes ago lol
that damn swing
I had my suspicions that the HDDVD vs BlueRay battle would be like VHS vs Beta. So, I decided to wait until the market decided the winner. I didn’t buy either of them until that point. Surprisingly, the battle ended a lot quicker than I anticipated.
One important detail that was left out about Blu-ray is the higher audio quality. In some cases the extra storage capacity could even be used to store uncompressed audio